I can understand people collecting the cards themselves, but I've always found it silly that people collect unopened boxes that might well be priced higher than the actual content even if real. The cards can be individually verified to determine a value, but boxes, cases and even packs to some extent are just getting inflated in price because of an idea that the content "might" have value.
Scarcity drives value in collectibles, sealed boxes particularly because they are opened/destroyed very often. It is the same reason older cards are more valuable - there is fewer than 50~75% of all Black Lotus(es) ever printed still in one piece. That drives up the price on a powerful piece of magic's history.
Same goes for classic video games TBH. I like having the original box amd manual, but I plan to actually play the game, so no point in buying it brand new. Only time I've ever bought game sealed in the shrink wrap is a few obscure (but not sought after) GBA games because they were like $10.
@Kaganari why are you holding your cards around a toilet in the first place? 🤦♂️🤷♂️ those toilet scenes really get a lot of those meaningless likes don’t they 🙄🙄🙄
@@JcgLounge lol yes. It’s called counterfeiting. Been around forever. It’s over half a trillion dollar business. From handbags and watches all the way to tide pods and antibiotics. I guess in this case it wasn’t counterfeiting/copyright infringement because they didn’t even get fake cards. This is more wire fraud. Back when I was a kid I went to a few swap meets and they had loads of fake cards hahaha. If there’s money to be made chances are criminals will exploit and the more money to be made a better class of criminal will exploit. Only an idiot wouldn’t think this is a crime. I have more respect for these people than simple bank robbers
When I worked for a shop that sold car parts and we got a return order we always put it on a scale and we had a database with how many grams each item was. So many people tried to steal our original part and send back some cheap Chinese part back for a refund. I can't believe they did not even weigh it. Because it did not even contain Pokémon cards so an easy way to rule things out.
I like cars what shop did you work for to where a knockoff company would copy the part about cheaply? Did the shop manufacture thier own part that was patented or something
Without even watching the video I’ve been questioning the truth behind why someone would buy a box and not even check what’s inside…. But no one else seems to question if this is actually possible, feels like a big insurance scam. Excited to watch
Because collectors value unsealed boxes or content. It varies but they like unsealed because of the condition, and they treat the packaging as part of the actual product sometimes. You open it, usually it goes down in value. Logan risked opening it cause in this case, opening it could potentially make the value shoot up. In this case he was scammed.
The tape around the case is worthless its just stoptape, you can get a roll of the same tape for 7.95$ it's the booster boxes that need to be sealed not the case
This whole thing reminds me a lot of the vintage wine scam that is really real. People do this also. Bottle cheaper wine to very very old vintage bottles. That's why there is this somewhat consensus with wine collectors that every rare bottle might be fake (if bought from someone and not directly inherited) and the only reason they keep their value is that nobody really opens them since the wine is in 99% of the cases for collecting, not for drinking.
@@keystep8669 basically hoping that someone will buy it off you for an even higher price, and that person in turn will do the same again. This goes on until somebody ends up getting ripped off and ends up eating (or well, drinking) the costs.
@@keystep8669 why tf would you collect Pokémon cards that are for kids. Kiddies play with them and trade them, an adult buying them is weird af. See? same logic
@@keystep8669 Also some of the bottles are so old that the wine is most probably not that good anymore. Those are purely collectables. That is why the wine inside might be fake.
Rudy at Alpha Investments pointed out why would baseball card guys be asked to authenticate Pokemon cards and not Pokemon experts who may even have cases available to compare it to...
In my opinion, and I have no feeling either way. Why would they accept a job like this? Probably because it’s seen as big money and big business getting huge media attention at the time, plus they’re a card exchange. Hard to turn down a request like that. I also think that they win if it’s real and they win more than they loose even if it’s fake. My logic for that is that either way they will receive big media attention and even if the publicity is bad, they have enough plausible deniability and distance from the Pokemon scene itself despite the fact that they are indeed a card exchange. It could lock them out of the Pokemon market and their specialty of sports might take a hit too but now you and I and every other person on YT knows their name. They might take a hit with their customers but could also be a huge boost for them. At the very least I don’t think it should be a forgone conclusion that they would be flushing their business down the drain in the event it turned out to be fake. I don’t know the history of the CEO but if they employ specific authenticity guys and only the CEO confirmed it, then they can further distance. Why would Logan and his friends ask them specifically. As opposed to a specifically Pokémon focused exchange? Let’s for a second consider the possibility that they bought the box with the intent and assumption of legitimacy but then either the seller or Logan had some reason to question the box then they also save some money, were serviced for free or may even have been paid by the grading company who didn’t grade anything and in this video at least, only vouched for lack of evidence of tampering. It’s also possible that, if acting in bad faith, Logan and the seller got an answer they didn’t want to hear and then conspired together or alone about what to do next and kept going through companies until they got an answer they thought would benefit them. Also, this was trending at #1 It was a sponsored video that got HUGE attention and coverage from WAY more than it would have had it been real of fake. Also for people wondering how and why this happens in the first place. A collector opens the factory box and takes out the commercial packages, either to sell or open further for whatever reason. Assuming it’s all real, they then have $X in boosters/card and they have a cardboard box, which happens to be worth rather a lot if they are to re-seal it. I think that there are a near infinite set of events that explain these events and at least one of them is correct. One last thing is that this is Logan who MUST have a PR Dept and a pretty top notch legal team by now. There would have been cost:benefit analysis, Nile long contracts and NDAs at every turn.
That box, looked like it was a month old. We get boxes everyday from UPS and FedEx and 90% look way older than this box. That just didn’t make much sense to me…
that's why this is all so bogus- Calum Upton says movie props techs will age a box just misting wi water & putting in dehydrator - apparently also explains why shrink wrapping on internal boes loosend. so if that whole industry can 'age' a box how doesn't the 'box appraiser' know?
That’s what it is, I could tell from the start. Logan’s gonna make millions off the video. The first fucking thing he says in the damn video is “buy my new drink!” And look how viral the video is going! 3.5nil - big number, Pokémon box - big rare box... it’s all to go viral
Literally why I do not buy mint collectables. I want to see that at some point someone saw it for it's real value at some point at least used it as intended at some point. That is very hard to fake and few try to fake that as it literally destroys value. Which in a round a bout way verifies it is real. Who would fake a bent, or worn card when mint card gets you more money? Same goes for cases I want to see where the stocker kicked up against a wall crushing the corner because no one fakes that.
I buy all the cards of my favorite pokemon and pretty much use the same mentality. I do try to get them in decent condition but when the difference between a perfect condition one and one with a micro scratch is a 1000% the choice is obvious. I'm only in it for fun and artworks anyway. Sometimes a bit of wear adds to it imo, take buying an old console with a scratches and stickers. A NIB console might look perfect but it has no history.
I agree with this. I collect old cell phones, and I actually like the little nicks and scratches. It makes me think that once upon a time, someone maybe talked to their first love on it, or called their kids from work, or something like that.
@@toshineon There are a lot of people that actually want trashed stuff because they want to fix it not to sell. More just for the fun of fixing something old that is broken. As old stuff is now easy to fix compared to when it was new and hard to find parts for, because finding a donor wasn’t an option back when they were new.
I remember one of my local game shops, the most popular in my metro area, was busted by Wizards of the Coast running a high-tech counterfeit operation. These Magic cards were very high-quality fakes. Lots of players got screwed out of a lot of money when they found out their expensive single cards were actually hard to distinguish fakes. They also were selling reseals and alcohol to underage customers (and adults, with no license!) They were sued out of existence. It was crazy, that store was pretty awesome as far as the competitions and it was a sort of gaming mecca. Always had the best prices (now we know why) but there is still nothing like it around here. It's a shame they let greed bring them down.
Dude can you please explain Pokémon cards … What’s with the hype ..and why is it so popular….what is it exactly .. Am new to this Pokémon card stuff … I didn’t fully understand about this
unless he either bought the real thing himself and swapped it out somehow or some way, or he could have heard about this box being sketch and agreed to buy it for either the full amount or way less behind closed doors fully knowing it was fake
I'm a Pokemon TCG Channel myself and I never even questioned if it was staged or anything because of how often scams happen in this hobby, My wife thought it might be fake but I argue why would the sports authentication company put their name on the line like this?
Authentication agencies for retro gaming have been *allegedly but i believe it* been working with auctionhouses and other sales websites have been working to inflate prices, the agency gets recognition and business and the auctionhouse gets to be the website where a mario cartridge sold for a million dollars. Inflated prices are always going to be suspicious to me because of this, not to mention this is gaming adjacent.
@@Dentson I thought Rudy was wondering why he didn't send it to an actual Pokemon card expert that can check the validity better than guys that look at Topps for grading. They probably might even have some cases they can compare it to.
Never underestimate the length these card exchanges can go to just to earn that massive trade clout. I'm pretty sure some big names in baseball card trading went to jail for insider trading many years ago, screwing up the market big time in the process. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens here as well.
I seriously regret selling all my old pokemon cards when I was younger. I had hundreds of original cards from the late 90's and early 2000s that my brother gave to me. I sold them all for less than $50 on ebay when I thought I was " to cool" for them and thought nothing of it.
Kids playing with them and not keeping them is why they're somewhat scarce and valuable. Don't beat yourself up over it. If you and everyone had kept them in mint condition they wouldn't be. Just look those comics they tried to force into collectibles that are barely worth anything now.
Everyone has one major fffck up like that happen in their life. My mom sold at a yard sale literal gallons worth of original lego sets in very good condition from the early 2000’s that are damn near impossible to find nowadays. I wasn’t allowed to play with legos on the floor or eat food around my toys. Whoever got those pieces figured out how to put them back together and probably made a ton of cash.
@@Ernster86 nft are supershit whatever you upload to the internet gets compressed or atleast thats the idea for jpeg PNG and even MP4 we see on youtube gets compressed and encoded so nfts wont get you the original and will never grand you copyright material unless you get a document with signature thats why people stamp documents for years
Those dirty marks would be on alot of boxes that went thru FedEx when I worked there. Just from them being stacked into a semi they'll sometimes get dragged across the ground or even if it rolls on a conveyer belt so thats not really something you should look to to identify age lol
I find it funny that Logan always buys from the guy that has 'I will scam you' written all over himself. First that CryptoGuru guy and now this guy. Kids, when you see someone who looks like Mr. Worldwide; screaming 'I'm so rich look at my money' and promises rare Pokemon cards, walk away.
I will never understand people sinking this kind of money into cardboard. I don't knock it coz to each their own when it comes to hobbies, but I'll never understand it
@@akimlaberge-touat362 true that, I'd imagine for people who were collecting and doing this stuff as a passion get screwed heavily when all these things go down
Some things went over 1200% in 2020. I had some sealed base set packs from a break that I bought in 2019 at $85 each (a premium at the time). One point in 2020, loose packs were selling on eBay over $1000 each. Crazy times man
A 25 year old box never looks that good. I work at a courier company and 4 day old boxes end up in worse condition. Plus the sun fades lables and ink real hard after so many hours of exposure. and literally no damage after all that time? FedEx would have damaged it for sure. If someone showed me that box and said it's 25 years old, I'd call bull to their face.
Even ignoring the box, the cards themselves would be damaged due aging. When you have something closed for over 20 years and don't properly store it (or in the case of shoes, even if you do store it properly). Maybe I'm wrong since I collect shoes mostly, but I know high-quality Nike's from around 1985 and 1986 that've never been opened but the midsoles disintegrated, whereas my '85 pair (while completely damaged), is somewhat wearable.
@@kingjoe3rd You would have to prove and it would be hard. I'm sure everyone involved that made a living off this and their rep got a decent payout and walk away.
I remember buying a 1st Ed neo genesis boosterpack years ago off ebay for around £40 and as soon as it arrived I knew it was either resealed or weighed. it's a horrible feeling I can't imagine losing 3.5 Mil 😳
Theres reasons I believe it’s real. There’s no way 3 people who built there career off this would go out of their way to fake this, it means their career would be screwed and they’d never be taken seriously again. Especially the BBCE. On top of this it’s common practice for people to NOT open their sealed packages because value significantly drops the second you do that. It’s stupid yes, but it’s a thing in sports cards. Logan Paul is no actor, his movies proved it - I also don’t fully trust him, but he seemed genuinely hurt by this. His friend shine who sold it to him, was heartbroken and is now out money. This box had been moving around the Pokémon community for years, and everyone knew it was fishy and did not buy it. There’s prominent members of the community who actually TRIED to buy it and have proof via emails with the original seller - and the seller turned them down because they wanted to meet in person and pay cash.
I don't know about this whole "mint condition unopened sealed" thing. With action figures you could probably see it's value without it being open. But with cards I would rather buy a vacuum sealed early addition and authenticated than a cat(g.i.joe) in a box.
Back in the year 2000, we used to pitch these cards as youths from card shops in Britain and sell them for twice the price. I've had hundreds of full boxes go through my hands in the years and I didn't keep any :( Shame
I sold my complete set of First Edition base set and the green set after that for around $300 each and now I don't even want to know the value of those two sets. But hey I still got all the money I invested in it back in the end.
@@GG-ou7it yeah true, I wish kept everything from 80/90 also like my star wars figures, first Nintendo etc but at the time they were just cheap plastic.
I tried a can of g fuel for the first time yesterday, it looks and tastes like water but its advertised as Gatorade. Pewdiepies face was on the can too, definitely a drink marketed towards children
But why would bbc or whatever they're called, agree to fake this with them? The fact they authenticated this box is embarrassing and is going to ruin their reputation. So I don't think he faked this tbh
@@TheBestofJuan its actually obvious its not fake. If its actually fake, the company that got involved have way more to lose. It’s just that some people hate him from the past
@@rajeevkunapareddy1182 so it's logical that someone that hated Logan Paul and prayed for a coincidence that the fake box would somehow end up on Logan Paul instead of this whole thing being a content farm?
@@Xedllin I mean, you are adding a bunch of stuff that is not at all necessary for this to occur. Why does there need to be a plot against Logan Paul? I get that the comment above yours talked about "some people hating him from the past", but that's referring to people like _you,_ not the people which are behind the box. Why does it have to be a coincidence that Logan Paul got the box? Reminder, the box was something the community did not want to buy in any way, but Logan Paul is not that caught up on the community, however knows that a box that costed 3.5 million would make a good video title. So, what do you think is more logical? The BBC screwing up when grading the box which was bought by Logan Paul because he thought it's price would make for a good title, not knowing that it was most likely a scam? Or that a company essentially screwed their entire reputation for apparently no reason at all?
@@Ze_eT Funny how I am apparently a hater just because I called what Logan Paul is doing as a "content farm" yet you also somehow stated that it is indeed a "content farm". You see the thing is I don't really care if the the entire thing is a scam or not the reply was just to disillusion the other person from thinking it something more contrived than what it really is.
if only I never ripped my poke cards open when I was 8 and threw them around the school yard playing with my school mates, I should have taped it up in a box, I'd be a millionaire right now
@17:15 “all I know is he wants you to buy whatever energy drink product hes shilling out” literally less than a minute after the integrated gfuel promo 😬😬😂
Much of the reason trading cards, vintage videogames, etc, have been rising in price so much over the past few years is due to some companies and "collectors" buying and selling between themselves to artificially drive prices up, kinda like it's been happening with some NFTs. Karl Jobst recently made some very comprehensive videos on the topic. So even if this was indeed filled with 1st edition Pokémon cards, their price would be greatly (and let's not forget artificially) inflated. Just like comic books in the 90's, this market will eventually crash and take a lot of people with it.
I always find it sus when the seller Logan finds is willing to refund and is an investor. Something about that seems rigged, especially with how much Logan is like in out 3.5 million despite having a seller who will full refund if it's fake. Sounds like a set up for a video between the investor and Logan that inflates prices and makes them both a lot of money at no risk. I think the 3.5 mil never was exchanged and that the play is to inflate prices and sell the stock that the seller gets a lot of money from sales and Logan gets news headlines and attention and money from that.
So multiple ppl would risk there entire reputation just for a Logan Paul video ? A entire trading card grading company would risk its entire reputation for a Logan Paul video ?
@@CruzCGK of course. cause imagine if it was legit. That company would BE the guys to go to. This would of been all over their site. They would of been the big boys in town. ha ha sucks to be him he swung and missed. Dont dance with the devil
i remember when i played yugioh in middle school, some guys would weigh the booster packs, buy them and sometimes resell them as guaranteed to have a rare card, but there were usually the assholes that opened the packs, took the rare card or even all the cards and put shitty cards no one wanted, reseal them and sell them, and this happened with all trading cards, mtg, pokemon, you name it
Logan's reaction to the GI Joe cards seemed so fake. As a matter of fact, everything about him is fake so i dont even know why we are doubting this lol
Am I missing something? A sealed box is 100k. There's 6 boxes in a case. So you are telling me a cardboard box really makes a 3 million dollar difference?
What makes it worth so much is that it was released in 1999, and there are very few sealed cases left, probably less than 50. Even so it's still not worth 3.5 mil.
It’s the rarity, he would’ve had the largest unopened first edition collection in the world. The guy before him paid 2.7, it’s now worth 3.5 just ensued if the fact it’s so rare
@@nathantiffen5158 I understand why the value has skyrocketing for all the cards. I just don't understand why the 6 boxes being in a "case" drives the value so much higher. A sealed box goes for what nowadays, 200-400k? I just don't get the added value just because of the cardboard box. The thing about these cases is... I'm sure there are plenty still out there it's just that the diehard collectors who were into it before it went mainstream already have them all hoarded. Just like the dude in this video. To add a million dollars to the price just because the 6 boxes are in the original cardboard shipping seems crazy. I'd imagine any collector in their right mind would rather have an extra 2-3 boxes over the Wizard's cardboard.
They printed 11.8 billion of these pokemon cards so they really aren't very rare by any metric. Cards in the 70's and 80's had more limited printings and earlier cards had even less made and way less survived and made them more collectable and valuable, but then card companys got super greedy and they printed cards out the wazoo and everybody saved them thinking it was going to make them rich. But thus effectively making them useless trash in the end when everyone was all trying to sell them and no-one wanted to buy them. They must have tight control over how often they get re-released back into the wild to not completely collapse the whole market, like sports cards did in the mid ninetys. Now I can't say I've done a ton of research on pokemon cards lately, but I kinda doubt that outside of unopened packs or extremely rare highly graded cards are actively selling at much consistent value online. I sold my first edition sets of the base set and the jungle booster set at $500 on Ebay over 20 years ago and I was happy to just get all my money back in the end.
@@SickBuckNaStY the 11.8 billion cards that your talking about is an estimate of how many cards was shipped between in 1999 and 2017, not the base set run lol.
There’s a point I was hoping someone could clear up. Could you look at the quality of the GI Joe packs to estimate how old those cards were on ware and tear to the cardboard/plastic, what ever the estimate is on how old the GI Joe packs add those years to the release of the GI Joe card release date. As there is a record for each sale and each person hangs onto the box for a number of years surely you can ‘put as Suss’ on 2 of the sellers 🤷🏼♂️
I don''t think it was a stunt, the case has been floating out there for a few years, and has had multiple backstories already, if it were a stunt, it would have taken over 30 people and a grading company. If anything, Logan is probably one of the only innocent people in this whole scenario.
@@akimlaberge-touat362 lmao every youtuber literally does the same thing they just word it differently "plus buy merchandise you guys know it helps" lmao
@@akimlaberge-touat362 maybe that was before the refund. In his recent Impaulsive podcast episode he discloses that he did get a refund. That matters too
I started having early-mid 2010s SomeOrdinaryGamers vietnam flashbacks while hearing him read that ebay story I almost forgot that this channel used to cover creepypastas
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Remember this type of fraud back in the day for MtG. It still is going on, but there is time tested criteria to better spot it. Excellent points Mutahar. Thank you for the react/explanation.
I recall rudy from alpha investments in one of his videos i think it was a black lotus or one of the power 9s a viewer had sent in for him to verify said "some" of the things you can examine to tell if its fake or not and said i cant tell you everything cos then the people faking them would adapt those into the new fakes and make it harder to tell as they are pretty hecking good fakes as it is.
To add to my other comment. These huge companies in the end have huge hiccups. PSA (the number one grading company) has in fact graded fake jordan rookies and have graded damaged cards psa 10. Their are known graded vintage cards that have been trimmed. Hobby is just a whole bunch of untapped content blackhole. Panini and Topps sold to fanatics before their bad practices come to bigger light
He mentioned on his latest podcast Impaulsive that he was fully reimbursed the 3.5 mil but they're still hunting the scammers down to get back the previous owner's 2.7 mil. Turns out they uncovered an entire Pokemon card scam ring
Fun fact: RCD doesn't work after around 1950, turns out letting off a load of nukes into the atmosphere wasn't a great idea. Also didn't this exact thing happen like 3 or 4 years ago, heck I think it might have been the same dealer as well.
Callum Upton in his analysis video confirmed that this kind of aged box look can EASILY be faked by misting a brand new sealed box with water and putting it in a food dehydrator for a few hours. It perfectly replicates the kind of age wear you would expect on a box like this, HOWEVER the dehydration process will swell and discolor the cardboard of the actual card boxes inside the corrugated outer box.
the flashing images behind the writing triggered my photosensitive epilepsy. just thought id let you know. never put flashing images behind writing as it forces a person to focus on the area fully before knowing it will trigger them causing it to trigger them quite badly.
I don't trust Logan Paul either. It's like he lives his life as a troll. The thing with the case of cards...no matter what, he's made out fine from the sale. I see it as $3.5 million worth of publicity. And if he wanted to profit, all he has to do is sign the GI Joe cards individually and auction them off. His stans, and people who want a piece of trading card history, will buy him out. As for as the BBCE authentication, the only thing they authenticated was the box hadn't been opened after being taped up. That's it. The authenticator even said he knows nothing about Pokemon cards. Why anyone would think that was good enough to mean anything...shrug. A fool and his money? Out of everyone involved in this, I think they deserve the least blame. It appears the whole cardboard box could have been faked. People are unhappy with the labels, the scanner code, the stamped number, and the printing on the sealing tape itself. Nobody authenticated that. All the trading card people who facilitated the sale to Paul, all of his new friends...*they* should have known better and should have raised alarms. And if Logan Paul was a serious collector, he shouldn't have/wouldn't have simply gone along with them and their say-so. He would have researched and gotten second opions for that kind of cash. Did he do any due diligence at all? Or was he simply chomping at the bit to flex? Meh.
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hi muta
@@user-et1up1nk9k maybe
Ok
But Muta
A box that costs more than the house I live in, all of my clothes & my will to live even if it's non-existent.
i literally see you everywhere
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@YeaMan this RATIO got heat
Yea
It's so interesting to hear people discuss adult topics like investing when such investments consist of something called "jigglypuff" 😂
Could be worse, could be a “bored ape” 🤷🏻♂️
Could be worse, could be a “Monkey Jizz” 🍬
at least its not "jizzysplooch"
Love that these comments went from Jigglypuff to Jizzwad after 3 posts. Worst game of telephone ever.
@@QuestionYourWorld natural progression. 😂
Every conversation involving Pokémon ends up here eventually.
GI Joe needs to be the official troll icon in the card collecting communities
yes
make this happen
It is now
GI Joe gives Logan Paul the L “escamiado”
Imagine someone buying GI Joe cards and finding legit first edition pokemon cards instead 😂
I can understand people collecting the cards themselves, but I've always found it silly that people collect unopened boxes that might well be priced higher than the actual content even if real.
The cards can be individually verified to determine a value, but boxes, cases and even packs to some extent are just getting inflated in price because of an idea that the content "might" have value.
Scarcity drives value in collectibles, sealed boxes particularly because they are opened/destroyed very often. It is the same reason older cards are more valuable - there is fewer than 50~75% of all Black Lotus(es) ever printed still in one piece. That drives up the price on a powerful piece of magic's history.
Same goes for classic video games TBH. I like having the original box amd manual, but I plan to actually play the game, so no point in buying it brand new. Only time I've ever bought game sealed in the shrink wrap is a few obscure (but not sought after) GBA games because they were like $10.
Irl loot boxes
that's called a loot box
Storage wars
Being deep in the pokemon community and watching this unfold was crazy.
Fucking. Hilarious. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy
@Susan Wojcicki Bolshevik from Poland I can't wait for the trial of Paul hiring a fed to hit a scammer.
Ya im not sure that you should admit to that, especially if your old enough to have public hair
@@investmentcollections2085 you’re not old enough to know the difference between your and you’re
Also, you’re a flag without the L
@@gohabs8918 ya im not sure you should be calling anyone that, projecting pretty hard I see,....
The fact he held it over a pool just to flex his pool/get a better picture in his mind just proves this was a bait.
Also getting quite possibly the least qualified people to 'grade' the authenticity of it.
@@GrumpyIan well... other than wata games. :P
@Kaganari why are you holding your cards around a toilet in the first place? 🤦♂️🤷♂️ those toilet scenes really get a lot of those meaningless likes don’t they 🙄🙄🙄
@Kaganari Everything makes sense until you mention the toilet. Who wants to see that in the same frame as your Charizard?
@@lexsombersunrise it’s gotta be for that bathroom lighting
I don't trust Logan Paul in any shape or form so that makes sense.
F'real. Real easy conversation.
He's sussier than AmogOS
He’s deplorable
I trust him as much as I'd trust Game Stop with NFTs or them paying a living wage.
blinded by the hate
Dude, the fact that “Pokemon Card Fraud” is a possible crime makes this even funnier. 🤣
It’s just called fraud
@@oski7454 Yeah. But it’s the fact that it’s Pokémon cards. Like, you would never expect to go to jail for fraudulent trading cards. 😂😂
Anything that involves money and deception, it's illegal.
@@JcgLounge lol yes. It’s called counterfeiting. Been around forever. It’s over half a trillion dollar business. From handbags and watches all the way to tide pods and antibiotics. I guess in this case it wasn’t counterfeiting/copyright infringement because they didn’t even get fake cards. This is more wire fraud. Back when I was a kid I went to a few swap meets and they had loads of fake cards hahaha. If there’s money to be made chances are criminals will exploit and the more money to be made a better class of criminal will exploit. Only an idiot wouldn’t think this is a crime. I have more respect for these people than simple bank robbers
It wouldn't be the first time Logan Paul decided to cap about his shady business practices
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@YeaMan nah
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When I worked for a shop that sold car parts and we got a return order we always put it on a scale and we had a database with how many grams each item was. So many people tried to steal our original part and send back some cheap Chinese part back for a refund. I can't believe they did not even weigh it. Because it did not even contain Pokémon cards so an easy way to rule things out.
I like cars what shop did you work for to where a knockoff company would copy the part about cheaply? Did the shop manufacture thier own part that was patented or something
Without even watching the video I’ve been questioning the truth behind why someone would buy a box and not even check what’s inside…. But no one else seems to question if this is actually possible, feels like a big insurance scam. Excited to watch
Because it's worth wayyyyy more sealed
Isn't this just describing video games lootbox in general?
LOL
Because collectors value unsealed boxes or content. It varies but they like unsealed because of the condition, and they treat the packaging as part of the actual product sometimes. You open it, usually it goes down in value. Logan risked opening it cause in this case, opening it could potentially make the value shoot up. In this case he was scammed.
The tape around the case is worthless its just stoptape, you can get a roll of the same tape for 7.95$ it's the booster boxes that need to be sealed not the case
@@JP-zb3yb It didn’t even matter because the things inside the box weren’t even what he was looking for.
This whole thing reminds me a lot of the vintage wine scam that is really real. People do this also. Bottle cheaper wine to very very old vintage bottles. That's why there is this somewhat consensus with wine collectors that every rare bottle might be fake (if bought from someone and not directly inherited) and the only reason they keep their value is that nobody really opens them since the wine is in 99% of the cases for collecting, not for drinking.
Why tf would you collect alcohol? If I own a nice ass thing of alcohol imma drink it
@@keystep8669 basically hoping that someone will buy it off you for an even higher price, and that person in turn will do the same again. This goes on until somebody ends up getting ripped off and ends up eating (or well, drinking) the costs.
@@keystep8669 people collect weird things. Especially rich people 😂😂
@@keystep8669 why tf would you collect Pokémon cards that are for kids. Kiddies play with them and trade them, an adult buying them is weird af.
See? same logic
@@keystep8669 Also some of the bottles are so old that the wine is most probably not that good anymore. Those are purely collectables. That is why the wine inside might be fake.
Rudy at Alpha Investments pointed out why would baseball card guys be asked to authenticate Pokemon cards and not Pokemon experts who may even have cases available to compare it to...
They’re a card exchange, they have experience in cards outside of Baseball. It’s weird BUT they are a card exchange
In my opinion, and I have no feeling either way.
Why would they accept a job like this? Probably because it’s seen as big money and big business getting huge media attention at the time, plus they’re a card exchange. Hard to turn down a request like that.
I also think that they win if it’s real and they win more than they loose even if it’s fake.
My logic for that is that either way they will receive big media attention and even if the publicity is bad, they have enough plausible deniability and distance from the Pokemon scene itself despite the fact that they are indeed a card exchange.
It could lock them out of the Pokemon market and their specialty of sports might take a hit too but now you and I and every other person on YT knows their name.
They might take a hit with their customers but could also be a huge boost for them.
At the very least I don’t think it should be a forgone conclusion that they would be flushing their business down the drain in the event it turned out to be fake.
I don’t know the history of the CEO but if they employ specific authenticity guys and only the CEO confirmed it, then they can further distance.
Why would Logan and his friends ask them specifically.
As opposed to a specifically Pokémon focused exchange?
Let’s for a second consider the possibility that they bought the box with the intent and assumption of legitimacy but then either the seller or Logan had some reason to question the box then they also save some money, were serviced for free or may even have been paid by the grading company who didn’t grade anything and in this video at least, only vouched for lack of evidence of tampering.
It’s also possible that, if acting in bad faith, Logan and the seller got an answer they didn’t want to hear and then conspired together or alone about what to do next and kept going through companies until they got an answer they thought would benefit them.
Also, this was trending at #1
It was a sponsored video that got HUGE attention and coverage from WAY more than it would have had it been real of fake.
Also for people wondering how and why this happens in the first place.
A collector opens the factory box and takes out the commercial packages, either to sell or open further for whatever reason.
Assuming it’s all real, they then have $X in boosters/card and they have a cardboard box, which happens to be worth rather a lot if they are to re-seal it.
I think that there are a near infinite set of events that explain these events and at least one of them is correct.
One last thing is that this is Logan who MUST have a PR Dept and a pretty top notch legal team by now.
There would have been cost:benefit analysis, Nile long contracts and NDAs at every turn.
That box, looked like it was a month old. We get boxes everyday from UPS and FedEx and 90% look way older than this box. That just didn’t make much sense to me…
that's why this is all so bogus- Calum Upton says movie props techs will age a box just misting wi water & putting in dehydrator - apparently also explains why shrink wrapping on internal boes loosend. so if that whole industry can 'age' a box how doesn't the 'box appraiser' know?
Never pay for anything you can't see, touch, or return for a full refund if problems arise.
even nfts might be more worth it than this 💀
This is exactly like buying that mystery box on ebay that trended a while back. No one got their money back.
@@shart8008 no
Nah, this box has been moving around in the Pokemon community and seen as super fishy for years
6 booster boxes for 91k in 2021. That’s just stupidity at that point, I swear 1 unopened box is like 200,000 +
Im the ceo of poke my mom
That box is real
I gave birth to it
Nahhhhhhhhhhhgg
Imagine being the person that was going to run the scam, just to see that someone else already did.
Tbh if this whole thing was faked for a publicity stunt I wouldn’t be surprised
This probably ruined the company that verified it
@@SB-nk2qj that’s probably on the bright side
Knowing Logan Paul he doesn’t really know how his fan base will absolutely destroy the company
That’s what it is, I could tell from the start. Logan’s gonna make millions off the video. The first fucking thing he says in the damn video is “buy my new drink!” And look how viral the video is going! 3.5nil - big number, Pokémon box - big rare box... it’s all to go viral
its not because that would be criminal fraud. even logan paul isn't that stupid.
@@kingjoe3rd well no he’s definitely dumb enough to do that but usually not dumb enough to get caught
Literally why I do not buy mint collectables. I want to see that at some point someone saw it for it's real value at some point at least used it as intended at some point. That is very hard to fake and few try to fake that as it literally destroys value. Which in a round a bout way verifies it is real. Who would fake a bent, or worn card when mint card gets you more money? Same goes for cases I want to see where the stocker kicked up against a wall crushing the corner because no one fakes that.
Everything can be faked tho except nft jk lol
@Ax3_E0nS I do antiques as well and yeah mint looking is fake 9 times out of 10. If it doesn’t look worn out and beat up I walk away.
I buy all the cards of my favorite pokemon and pretty much use the same mentality. I do try to get them in decent condition but when the difference between a perfect condition one and one with a micro scratch is a 1000% the choice is obvious. I'm only in it for fun and artworks anyway.
Sometimes a bit of wear adds to it imo, take buying an old console with a scratches and stickers. A NIB console might look perfect but it has no history.
I agree with this. I collect old cell phones, and I actually like the little nicks and scratches. It makes me think that once upon a time, someone maybe talked to their first love on it, or called their kids from work, or something like that.
@@toshineon There are a lot of people that actually want trashed stuff because they want to fix it not to sell. More just for the fun of fixing something old that is broken. As old stuff is now easy to fix compared to when it was new and hard to find parts for, because finding a donor wasn’t an option back when they were new.
That’s the fastest notification I’ve ever gotten, Have an incredible evening Muta!!
@YeaMan this RATIO got heat
@@cantchange901 that was a sad ratio but I’ll like it anyways
Same lol
Muta noti's be the speed of light
@YeaMan why do you have heat on a woman's name?
I remember one of my local game shops, the most popular in my metro area, was busted by Wizards of the Coast running a high-tech counterfeit operation. These Magic cards were very high-quality fakes. Lots of players got screwed out of a lot of money when they found out their expensive single cards were actually hard to distinguish fakes. They also were selling reseals and alcohol to underage customers (and adults, with no license!) They were sued out of existence. It was crazy, that store was pretty awesome as far as the competitions and it was a sort of gaming mecca. Always had the best prices (now we know why) but there is still nothing like it around here. It's a shame they let greed bring them down.
Something to keep in mind; the box has been accounted for a *while* so unless he was playing the long game... no.
I agree. Clearly a paper trail before it got near Logan Paul. A lack of competence throughout the fan fair is just human nature.
Dude can you please explain
Pokémon cards …
What’s with the hype ..and why is it so popular….what is it exactly ..
Am new to this Pokémon card stuff …
I didn’t fully understand about this
unless he either bought the real thing himself and swapped it out somehow or some way, or he could have heard about this box being sketch and agreed to buy it for either the full amount or way less behind closed doors fully knowing it was fake
@@Antonio-uc7vn It's a 90's thing dude
I'm a Pokemon TCG Channel myself and I never even questioned if it was staged or anything because of how often scams happen in this hobby, My wife thought it might be fake but I argue why would the sports authentication company put their name on the line like this?
Yea Rudy from Alpha investment came to the same conclusion
Authentication agencies for retro gaming have been *allegedly but i believe it* been working with auctionhouses and other sales websites have been working to inflate prices, the agency gets recognition and business and the auctionhouse gets to be the website where a mario cartridge sold for a million dollars. Inflated prices are always going to be suspicious to me because of this, not to mention this is gaming adjacent.
@@Dentson I thought Rudy was wondering why he didn't send it to an actual Pokemon card expert that can check the validity better than guys that look at Topps for grading. They probably might even have some cases they can compare it to.
they got paid too
That was my same exact point too. No trustworthy company would go along with this if it was a scam
Never underestimate the length these card exchanges can go to just to earn that massive trade clout. I'm pretty sure some big names in baseball card trading went to jail for insider trading many years ago, screwing up the market big time in the process. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens here as well.
"$3.5mil is a lot of money to spend on cardboard"
Dude, cash is made of paper, lol
No one should trust Logan Paul with anything.
I seriously regret selling all my old pokemon cards when I was younger. I had hundreds of original cards from the late 90's and early 2000s that my brother gave to me. I sold them all for less than $50 on ebay when I thought I was " to cool" for them and thought nothing of it.
Yep I had the first and second set all first editions sold for roughly $500 on ebay 20 years ago.
Kids playing with them and not keeping them is why they're somewhat scarce and valuable. Don't beat yourself up over it. If you and everyone had kept them in mint condition they wouldn't be. Just look those comics they tried to force into collectibles that are barely worth anything now.
Everyone has one major fffck up like that happen in their life. My mom sold at a yard sale literal gallons worth of original lego sets in very good condition from the early 2000’s that are damn near impossible to find nowadays. I wasn’t allowed to play with legos on the floor or eat food around my toys. Whoever got those pieces figured out how to put them back together and probably made a ton of cash.
@@markm0000 amen brother.
imagine paying 3.5 million for a pack of cardboard
still better than nfts because you can actually physically have it
@@breadiztasty Not really, NFT can't be lost and damaged and can be a smart contract and can be sent to anyone in the world. Wake up bready.
@@Ernster86 so both are basically shit anyways?
@@Ernster86 right click copy image
@@Ernster86 nft are supershit
whatever you upload to the internet gets compressed or atleast thats the idea for jpeg PNG and even MP4 we see on youtube gets compressed and encoded
so nfts wont get you the original and will never grand you copyright material unless you get a document with signature thats why people stamp documents for years
Those dirty marks would be on alot of boxes that went thru FedEx when I worked there. Just from them being stacked into a semi they'll sometimes get dragged across the ground or even if it rolls on a conveyer belt so thats not really something you should look to to identify age lol
That’s exactly what I was thinking.
I find it funny that Logan always buys from the guy that has 'I will scam you' written all over himself. First that CryptoGuru guy and now this guy.
Kids, when you see someone who looks like Mr. Worldwide; screaming 'I'm so rich look at my money' and promises rare Pokemon cards, walk away.
I will never understand people sinking this kind of money into cardboard. I don't knock it coz to each their own when it comes to hobbies, but I'll never understand it
What I don't like is they just overinflate the price of everything just to make "investement" and real fan get reck
@@akimlaberge-touat362 true that, I'd imagine for people who were collecting and doing this stuff as a passion get screwed heavily when all these things go down
@@TheOnlyTapsThat's capitalism for ya
If I'm paying $3.5 million, they better be selling a fully working IRL X-Wing!
I would want a battle of yavin era Y-wing
For 3.5 million, I expect a wooden crate.
Some things went over 1200% in 2020. I had some sealed base set packs from a break that I bought in 2019 at $85 each (a premium at the time). One point in 2020, loose packs were selling on eBay over $1000 each. Crazy times man
And soon enough we will be using trillion dollar coins to buy bread with.
@@RobotronSage cant wait
@@RobotronSage yep, thanks Joe.
Rudy from taco investments 🚀🐶🌮📈
A 25 year old box never looks that good. I work at a courier company and 4 day old boxes end up in worse condition. Plus the sun fades lables and ink real hard after so many hours of exposure. and literally no damage after all that time? FedEx would have damaged it for sure.
If someone showed me that box and said it's 25 years old, I'd call bull to their face.
Even ignoring the box, the cards themselves would be damaged due aging. When you have something closed for over 20 years and don't properly store it (or in the case of shoes, even if you do store it properly). Maybe I'm wrong since I collect shoes mostly, but I know high-quality Nike's from around 1985 and 1986 that've never been opened but the midsoles disintegrated, whereas my '85 pair (while completely damaged), is somewhat wearable.
@@antwyy3785 Cards don't age. They aren't food.
@@NaudVanDalen its cardboard which is paper. paper ages and rots just like wood
@@kobold7466 Why would cards in unopened packs rot when perfect first edition cards exist?
Is like people forgetting that pack repacking is an ongoing issue lmao
i love how logan just ruins the credibility of "experts" at this point the guy fucking rocks
that's why this isn't "fake" because if he intentionally did that to that guy it would be criminal fraud.
@@kingjoe3rd You would have to prove and it would be hard. I'm sure everyone involved that made a living off this and their rep got a decent payout and walk away.
@@moneybuas4942 yeah its called Conspiracy and the feds can charge you with it.
I remember buying a 1st Ed neo genesis boosterpack years ago off ebay for around £40 and as soon as it arrived I knew it was either resealed or weighed. it's a horrible feeling I can't imagine losing 3.5 Mil 😳
A speculative 3.5 million dollar insurance claim? Seems legit to me.
Theres reasons I believe it’s real.
There’s no way 3 people who built there career off this would go out of their way to fake this, it means their career would be screwed and they’d never be taken seriously again. Especially the BBCE.
On top of this it’s common practice for people to NOT open their sealed packages because value significantly drops the second you do that. It’s stupid yes, but it’s a thing in sports cards.
Logan Paul is no actor, his movies proved it - I also don’t fully trust him, but he seemed genuinely hurt by this. His friend shine who sold it to him, was heartbroken and is now out money.
This box had been moving around the Pokémon community for years, and everyone knew it was fishy and did not buy it. There’s prominent members of the community who actually TRIED to buy it and have proof via emails with the original seller - and the seller turned them down because they wanted to meet in person and pay cash.
The case itself has 6 boxes right? Wouldn’t 91k CAD in 2021 be a dead giveaway for 6 unopened boxes that usually go for like 300k+ a piece?
@@mesadrums375 I’m unaware of how much the box originally sold for, all I know is it climbed through multiple people for like 1m+ add on
@@Itsachapel Muta said in the video that one of its sales happened in may of 2021 for 91k Canadian, so like 70k American.
Mutas reflection in the mirror freaked me out for a second, because I thought he was being watched.
I don't know about this whole "mint condition unopened sealed" thing. With action figures you could probably see it's value without it being open. But with cards I would rather buy a vacuum sealed early addition and authenticated than a cat(g.i.joe) in a box.
Back in the year 2000, we used to pitch these cards as youths from card shops in Britain and sell them for twice the price.
I've had hundreds of full boxes go through my hands in the years and I didn't keep any :(
Shame
It’s just hindsight don’t beat yourself up over it pokemon did just look like a fad back then like Digimon or Beyblade.
I sold my complete set of First Edition base set and the green set after that for around $300 each and now I don't even want to know the value of those two sets. But hey I still got all the money I invested in it back in the end.
I remember when all cards were 1st edition.
I had a whole deck of 1st edition cards lmao
Dunno what happened to the decks tho
@@GG-ou7it yeah true, I wish kept everything from 80/90 also like my star wars figures, first Nintendo etc but at the time they were just cheap plastic.
2:53 "Here's a cardboard box full of cardboard worth $3.5M that I'm just casually holding one-handed next to my pool while I snap this photo."
that was awesome that logan paul advertised CODE SOG on G FUEL
Egon rack
Yeah
How literally no one see this comment
I tried a can of g fuel for the first time yesterday, it looks and tastes like water but its advertised as Gatorade. Pewdiepies face was on the can too, definitely a drink marketed towards children
10th like. How do you only have 10 lol
I don't know what your talking about I would trust logan Paul with my firstborn child there has never been a man so trustworthy
new movie idea: the Grand Pokemon Heist: starring Jake Paul and Keanu Reeves
Yep. It’s all a publicity stunt. I’m sure a bunch of people made a lot of money. Thank you for talking about this
But why would bbc or whatever they're called, agree to fake this with them? The fact they authenticated this box is embarrassing and is going to ruin their reputation. So I don't think he faked this tbh
@@TheBestofJuan its actually obvious its not fake. If its actually fake, the company that got involved have way more to lose. It’s just that some people hate him from the past
@@rajeevkunapareddy1182 so it's logical that someone that hated Logan Paul and prayed for a coincidence that the fake box would somehow end up on Logan Paul instead of this whole thing being a content farm?
@@Xedllin I mean, you are adding a bunch of stuff that is not at all necessary for this to occur. Why does there need to be a plot against Logan Paul? I get that the comment above yours talked about "some people hating him from the past", but that's referring to people like _you,_ not the people which are behind the box. Why does it have to be a coincidence that Logan Paul got the box? Reminder, the box was something the community did not want to buy in any way, but Logan Paul is not that caught up on the community, however knows that a box that costed 3.5 million would make a good video title.
So, what do you think is more logical? The BBC screwing up when grading the box which was bought by Logan Paul because he thought it's price would make for a good title, not knowing that it was most likely a scam? Or that a company essentially screwed their entire reputation for apparently no reason at all?
@@Ze_eT Funny how I am apparently a hater just because I called what Logan Paul is doing as a "content farm" yet you also somehow stated that it is indeed a "content farm".
You see the thing is I don't really care if the the entire thing is a scam or not the reply was just to disillusion the other person from thinking it something more contrived than what it really is.
if only I never ripped my poke cards open when I was 8 and threw them around the school yard playing with my school mates, I should have taped it up in a box, I'd be a millionaire right now
Pokemon cards really are og nfts when you think about it
Digital Pokemon cards are the og nfts.
@@l3monturtle database just came out thin air?
Mate that G fuel ad over Logan’s product placement , was the best thing I seen all day 😂
It’s kinda sad that kids are addicted to the *Paul Brothers.*
@17:15 “all I know is he wants you to buy whatever energy drink product hes shilling out” literally less than a minute after the integrated gfuel promo 😬😬😂
I'm not super into cards but you best believe ima watch this whole video while I clean my room though 🤙🏽
Here have a cookie for cleaning your room 🍪
@@darksu6947 I love cookies! 🥰
@@TheKaliMalia Me too! My favorite are Macadamia nut cookies!
@@darksu6947 those are good 😄 My favorite is chocolate chip
@@TheKaliMalia Those are always good! It was fun talking to you. Have a nice night!
14:13.. that description tho... Schrödingers pokemons.. lol
I imagine anyone who's bought unopened packs or anything that were authenticated by that company are losing their minds right now.
Much of the reason trading cards, vintage videogames, etc, have been rising in price so much over the past few years is due to some companies and "collectors" buying and selling between themselves to artificially drive prices up, kinda like it's been happening with some NFTs. Karl Jobst recently made some very comprehensive videos on the topic. So even if this was indeed filled with 1st edition Pokémon cards, their price would be greatly (and let's not forget artificially) inflated.
Just like comic books in the 90's, this market will eventually crash and take a lot of people with it.
I always find it sus when the seller Logan finds is willing to refund and is an investor. Something about that seems rigged, especially with how much Logan is like in out 3.5 million despite having a seller who will full refund if it's fake. Sounds like a set up for a video between the investor and Logan that inflates prices and makes them both a lot of money at no risk. I think the 3.5 mil never was exchanged and that the play is to inflate prices and sell the stock that the seller gets a lot of money from sales and Logan gets news headlines and attention and money from that.
So multiple ppl would risk there entire reputation just for a Logan Paul video ? A entire trading card grading company would risk its entire reputation for a Logan Paul video ?
@@CruzCGK of course. cause imagine if it was legit. That company would BE the guys to go to. This would of been all over their site. They would of been the big boys in town. ha ha sucks to be him he swung and missed. Dont dance with the devil
"This man is questioning god at this moment"... I died 😂
i remember when i played yugioh in middle school, some guys would weigh the booster packs, buy them and sometimes resell them as guaranteed to have a rare card, but there were usually the assholes that opened the packs, took the rare card or even all the cards and put shitty cards no one wanted, reseal them and sell them, and this happened with all trading cards, mtg, pokemon, you name it
Logan's reaction to the GI Joe cards seemed so fake. As a matter of fact, everything about him is fake so i dont even know why we are doubting this lol
Am I missing something? A sealed box is 100k. There's 6 boxes in a case. So you are telling me a cardboard box really makes a 3 million dollar difference?
What makes it worth so much is that it was released in 1999, and there are very few sealed cases left, probably less than 50. Even so it's still not worth 3.5 mil.
It’s the rarity, he would’ve had the largest unopened first edition collection in the world. The guy before him paid 2.7, it’s now worth 3.5 just ensued if the fact it’s so rare
@@nathantiffen5158 I understand why the value has skyrocketing for all the cards. I just don't understand why the 6 boxes being in a "case" drives the value so much higher. A sealed box goes for what nowadays, 200-400k? I just don't get the added value just because of the cardboard box. The thing about these cases is... I'm sure there are plenty still out there it's just that the diehard collectors who were into it before it went mainstream already have them all hoarded. Just like the dude in this video. To add a million dollars to the price just because the 6 boxes are in the original cardboard shipping seems crazy. I'd imagine any collector in their right mind would rather have an extra 2-3 boxes over the Wizard's cardboard.
They printed 11.8 billion of these pokemon cards so they really aren't very rare by any metric. Cards in the 70's and 80's had more limited printings and earlier cards had even less made and way less survived and made them more collectable and valuable, but then card companys got super greedy and they printed cards out the wazoo and everybody saved them thinking it was going to make them rich. But thus effectively making them useless trash in the end when everyone was all trying to sell them and no-one wanted to buy them. They must have tight control over how often they get re-released back into the wild to not completely collapse the whole market, like sports cards did in the mid ninetys. Now I can't say I've done a ton of research on pokemon cards lately, but I kinda doubt that outside of unopened packs or extremely rare highly graded cards are actively selling at much consistent value online.
I sold my first edition sets of the base set and the jungle booster set at $500 on Ebay over 20 years ago and I was happy to just get all my money back in the end.
@@SickBuckNaStY the 11.8 billion cards that your talking about is an estimate of how many cards was shipped between in 1999 and 2017, not the base set run lol.
"The man didn't believe in punctuation." LOL
I love how, at the end, this essentially becomes a primer on how to scam the Pokemon market.
There’s a point I was hoping someone could clear up. Could you look at the quality of the GI Joe packs to estimate how old those cards were on ware and tear to the cardboard/plastic, what ever the estimate is on how old the GI Joe packs add those years to the release of the GI Joe card release date. As there is a record for each sale and each person hangs onto the box for a number of years surely you can ‘put as Suss’ on 2 of the sellers 🤷🏼♂️
"I don't trust Logan Paul..."
And video over.
Got so invested in the Halo 3 gameplay that I completely forgot this was about Pokemon cards and Logan
Honestly, I don’t really trust that it’s Logan Paul that’s doing this lol
Sorry that your first reply had to be a bot :/
Sorry your second comment had to be from someone that doesn't like bots. They're fucked when the robots take over!
Muta "Not that very often' Har.
LMFAO
I don''t think it was a stunt, the case has been floating out there for a few years, and has had multiple backstories already, if it were a stunt, it would have taken over 30 people and a grading company. If anything, Logan is probably one of the only innocent people in this whole scenario.
Except when he made a video claimming he lost 3.5m and telling his viewer to buy his merch so he can make the money back even thought he was refunded
@@akimlaberge-touat362 lmao every youtuber literally does the same thing they just word it differently "plus buy merchandise you guys know it helps" lmao
@@Ignotus2023 he did implied that he lost the money tho
@@akimlaberge-touat362 maybe that was before the refund. In his recent Impaulsive podcast episode he discloses that he did get a refund. That matters too
@@Ignotus2023 he mention it rapidly at the end of the video
I started having early-mid 2010s SomeOrdinaryGamers vietnam flashbacks while hearing him read that ebay story
I almost forgot that this channel used to cover creepypastas
It's for clout. He's catering to the gullable audience that accounts for his wealth.
People are stupid.
Imagine asking your banker “ Is the deposit of 3.5 million back in my account? I was sold fake Pokémon cards”
You’re forgetting Charles white is the ultimate Pokémon card pulling master
ALPHA INVESTMENTS x SomeOrdinaryGamers VIDEO COLLAB!! Rudy and Muta would be awesome to watch together. Ty 4 shouting him out, Muta. Great vid so far btw.
Remember this type of fraud back in the day for MtG. It still is going on, but there is time tested criteria to better spot it. Excellent points Mutahar. Thank you for the react/explanation.
"Logan Paul is one of the first youtubers that made Pokémon a big investment." - A taco cries in a bathroom full ofg Pokémon cards
great i was just getting back into collecting these things and now there's gonna be another fucking bubble
"Logan Paul did a Poke-fuckup" made me snort coffee out of my nose. Thanks.
🤣lmfao
I recall rudy from alpha investments in one of his videos i think it was a black lotus or one of the power 9s a viewer had sent in for him to verify said "some" of the things you can examine to tell if its fake or not and said i cant tell you everything cos then the people faking them would adapt those into the new fakes and make it harder to tell as they are pretty hecking good fakes as it is.
I trust Rudy more than the guys Logan hired.
When Peter Parker got bit by the spider, the first thing he did, was change his battery on his smoke alarm.
To add to my other comment. These huge companies in the end have huge hiccups. PSA (the number one grading company) has in fact graded fake jordan rookies and have graded damaged cards psa 10. Their are known graded vintage cards that have been trimmed. Hobby is just a whole bunch of untapped content blackhole. Panini and Topps sold to fanatics before their bad practices come to bigger light
He mentioned on his latest podcast Impaulsive that he was fully reimbursed the 3.5 mil but they're still hunting the scammers down to get back the previous owner's 2.7 mil. Turns out they uncovered an entire Pokemon card scam ring
glad you're back from your trip safe! excited for some super fire chad ass content
@YeaMan Are you ever going to learn how to spell.......page?
I honestly thought that muda was being stalked by someone in the behind his window, but the i realized it was his reflection
Fun fact: RCD doesn't work after around 1950, turns out letting off a load of nukes into the atmosphere wasn't a great idea. Also didn't this exact thing happen like 3 or 4 years ago, heck I think it might have been the same dealer as well.
Callum Upton in his analysis video confirmed that this kind of aged box look can EASILY be faked by misting a brand new sealed box with water and putting it in a food dehydrator for a few hours. It perfectly replicates the kind of age wear you would expect on a box like this, HOWEVER the dehydration process will swell and discolor the cardboard of the actual card boxes inside the corrugated outer box.
the flashing images behind the writing triggered my photosensitive epilepsy. just thought id let you know. never put flashing images behind writing as it forces a person to focus on the area fully before knowing it will trigger them causing it to trigger them quite badly.
My mother has always told me, "Heavily detailed stories hold the most lies."
This video aged well.
was looking for this comment haha
why dose Logan Paul looks like main villain from need for speed carbon.
I love this… great work sir!!
When Muta comes on, what's that hum in the audio? 😂
I don't trust Logan Paul either. It's like he lives his life as a troll. The thing with the case of cards...no matter what, he's made out fine from the sale. I see it as $3.5 million worth of publicity. And if he wanted to profit, all he has to do is sign the GI Joe cards individually and auction them off. His stans, and people who want a piece of trading card history, will buy him out.
As for as the BBCE authentication, the only thing they authenticated was the box hadn't been opened after being taped up. That's it. The authenticator even said he knows nothing about Pokemon cards. Why anyone would think that was good enough to mean anything...shrug. A fool and his money? Out of everyone involved in this, I think they deserve the least blame. It appears the whole cardboard box could have been faked. People are unhappy with the labels, the scanner code, the stamped number, and the printing on the sealing tape itself. Nobody authenticated that.
All the trading card people who facilitated the sale to Paul, all of his new friends...*they* should have known better and should have raised alarms. And if Logan Paul was a serious collector, he shouldn't have/wouldn't have simply gone along with them and their say-so. He would have researched and gotten second opions for that kind of cash. Did he do any due diligence at all? Or was he simply chomping at the bit to flex? Meh.
the guy who sold it to him gave logan his 3.5 million back so he didn't even lose anything lol
10:28 when I come home at 5am and try tell my mum a bullshit story so I don’t get thrown out
When Kermit the frog is who authenticates your box maybe you should reconsider
Pyrocynical: Good Ending
Projared: True Ending
CallMeCarson: Neutral Ending
EDP445: Worse Ending
Mini Ladd: Bad Ending
Chris Chan: Secret Nightmare Ending
Leafy: Troll Ending
WingsOfRedemption: Comedic Ending
Tobuscus: Sad Ending
Kate Yup: Obscure Ending
Nikocado Avocado: Tragic Ending
CreepShow Art: God Awful Ending
Cryaotic: Disappointed Ending
Yamimash: Irrelevant Ending
VenturianTale: Forgotten Ending
SML: Y'all Costing Me Money!" Ending
Local Paul: Scummy Scam Artist Ending
Lmao
Idubzzz: cuck ending
Lol, what did CreepShow Art do?
@@djwonderbrad Google is your friend use it
14:04 so it’s like a paradox open it and be happy or disappointed or sell it without knowing what’s inside