To compare Evil Neuro's answers to Neuro's Evil Neuro if given the choice went for the option that killed more people as long as she's not involved (Neuro goes for less deaths) Evil values money more than lifes, if pulling the lever kills the same amount of people but gets her money she pulls, if pulling doesn't kill anyone but causes a loss she doesn't (opposite for Neuro, she deems no money worth the task) Both decided to sacrifice themselves instead of letting 5 people die, and to destroy the Mona Lisa (at this point I'd guess they both just want to)
@@Icetea-2000 Not always. Neuro often denies things that people try to push her into saying in this exact way. But yes she can absolutely be swayed. So can people, just less easily.
@@Icetea-2000 Yes that's something very notable. AIs tend to really value internal consistency, (or rather, the pretense of internal consistency if they're contradicting themselves or they haven't actually made any statement before). It is really hard for them to change answers, they'll merely pretend that whatever answer they (sometimes supposedly) gave has always been their answer even if it's not. It's also not just that they necessarily don't have something in memory, they just may not see the need to refer to that memory sometimes and it really shows, when they dive down a thread of "generic" answers, like they often shut down arguments with something along the lines of "if you say so" repeatedly. The funny part is I can't even be mad because humans technically do both of these sometimes too, except I can't stand those kinds of people.
Vedal: *_"Do you value the money more than 5 people?"_* Evil Neuro: *_"...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."_* You're not truly "evil" until you screw people over while *_you_* rake in oodles of cash.
The trolley problem is actually very easy: The internet taught me that people will try to sue you if you help or save them, so the correct answer is to never get involved to avoid legal troubles.
This is the Chinese Gambit in action. Half the reason you see them ignoring horrible accidents on LiveLeak videos and such is cause they have liability laws akin to basketball, last one to touch it is responsible for it
@@Nope_handlesaretrash at first i think its absurd and untrue, that basketball last to touch rule but i keep hearing about their toilets being that they never flush their shit so it becomes the next person's problem and it clicks
@@Nope_handlesaretrashTechnically this isn't true. Let me do a bit of law-nerding: China has just copied German tort law by the letter and thus liability is divided by individual responsibility (so who fucked up to what degree). One problem is, though, that their law also shares the general dislike of absolute liability (a legal concept where a party is held liable for damages caused by their actions, regardless of intent or negligence) that is a core principle of German law. US law employs absolute liability a lot, meaning that a person or company who profits from a dangerous thing (e.g. a factory or a train) will always be liable for every damage it causes, even if they didn't act negligently, while German and Chinese tort law only rarely and much less strictly observe this concept and often allow for "exculpation" - if one can find somebody else who acted negligently, no absolute liability exists. This isn't a big problem in Germany due to a very solid court system and a general assumption of nonliability of employees, but it IS a massive problem in China - an employer will always try to find some employee who's responsible for the damage to avoid absolute liability, and courts are much more easily... convinced. Therefore, no employee wants to be involved with an accident in any way. Thanks for letting me have my "well, ackshually"-moment.
You can't tell me you think the families of the dead wouldn't be just as likely to try to sue you for doing nothing. Only there are more families for the five than there would be for the one. Also the trolley problem is a moral question, not a practical one. Whether or not you would be concerned about getting sued/facing legal troubles is supposed to be ignored.
3:12 - Can we point out how twisted this motivation is. She places less value in her own life than the value of traumatising or causing suffering to people. She would kill herself, happily knowing there's the chance she ruined people's days.
iirc Vedal found Neuro's "schizo slider" right before making Evil. Pretty sure they're one and the same. Evil is just her moral compass. Like a mini internal adversary.
@@KillerQ13 no. They are seperate programs. Otherwise an upgrade to one would translate into another. Evil is certainly a tuned version of neuro, but the separation between the 2 is quite large now. You can see them evolve if you watch evil neuros first appearance
Evil neuro would probably pull the level while the train is going over the switch so the train drifts over both tracks at once, killing everyone including everyone in the train
Vedal: "Do you value the money more than 5 people?" Evil Neuro: "...I'm a commerce student, money is everything." I woulda been like 'WTF? Are you in Congress? Answer the question!'
From a legal standpoint not doing anything to the people will have me no involvement but turning that lever will mean I caused the death so... I’m watching
Вообще, на все вопросы кроме одного она ответила правильно согласно трём законам робототехники. Не правильно ответила только про богатого человека. И надо было уточнить, шанс что те деньги спасут хоть одного человека превышает 50% или нет, и если нет (слишком мало денег), то пожертвовать ими
Gonna be honest..."5 < 1" is a pretty egregious error. Pretty sure all coding languages intrinsically know that 5 is greater than 1. So, are we coding this thing to intentionally fail at math or did we actually screw up our code that badly that we broke the foundation of the coding language?
Large language models are typically very bad at math. It is because they are trained on data scraped on internet. And they work on guessing what is the next probable word. And how many times in the training data do you find for example 67+33? Very few times. So they are bad at solving it. However for such small numbers I think Neuro should be able to get it correctly. So I think she does the math wrong intentionally to be funny.
Evil neuro doesn't care about human life, but will sacrifice herself for the giggles.
she just want to die
Chaotic evil?
do it for the content
@@trajectoryunownChaotic Neutral. CE always chooses to serve themselves. Self sacrifice is not evil.
@@CinkodacsThe motivation behind it has to be a factor. Sure she's sacrificing herself but she's only doing it for her own amusement.
Neuro: "I will sacrifice myself because it's the right thing to do!"
Evil: "I'll sacrifice myself for the lols."
*insert picture of Gustavo Fring tying his tie*
"We are not the same*
😂😂😂😂
Actual legend
Evil is for the lolz.
Yes
Evil would kill 5 people for money, but would kill herself because it's funny, never seen someone so relatable.
She'd kill herself for the memes. Based tbh
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
@@MyHabbits It's not always about the money, Vedal...
IT'S ABOUT THE METS, LOVE THE METS, LET'S GO FOR A HOMERUN BABY, LET'S GO METS!
joker
@@Sebastian-oz1lj jonkler
"well I'm lazy so I'd probably do nothing, but then I'd feel guilty about it afterwards"
omg she so me frfr
To compare Evil Neuro's answers to Neuro's
Evil Neuro if given the choice went for the option that killed more people as long as she's not involved (Neuro goes for less deaths)
Evil values money more than lifes, if pulling the lever kills the same amount of people but gets her money she pulls, if pulling doesn't kill anyone but causes a loss she doesn't (opposite for Neuro, she deems no money worth the task)
Both decided to sacrifice themselves instead of letting 5 people die, and to destroy the Mona Lisa (at this point I'd guess they both just want to)
Evil destroyed the Mona Lisa not for the reason to save lives, but because she wanted to laugh at it.
@@Kt-hp7cvEvil Neuro is so relatable,lol
To be fair that was what multiple UNSC squads did, and what the Covenant also decided to do
@@Icetea-2000 Not always. Neuro often denies things that people try to push her into saying in this exact way. But yes she can absolutely be swayed. So can people, just less easily.
@@Icetea-2000 Yes that's something very notable. AIs tend to really value internal consistency, (or rather, the pretense of internal consistency if they're contradicting themselves or they haven't actually made any statement before). It is really hard for them to change answers, they'll merely pretend that whatever answer they (sometimes supposedly) gave has always been their answer even if it's not.
It's also not just that they necessarily don't have something in memory, they just may not see the need to refer to that memory sometimes and it really shows, when they dive down a thread of "generic" answers, like they often shut down arguments with something along the lines of "if you say so" repeatedly.
The funny part is I can't even be mad because humans technically do both of these sometimes too, except I can't stand those kinds of people.
Vedal: *_"Do you value the money more than 5 people?"_*
Evil Neuro: *_"...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."_*
You're not truly "evil" until you screw people over while *_you_* rake in oodles of cash.
she's *an commerce student
@@ilonachanC ain’t a vowel
@Funnyowl69 nah, she's an commerce student
@@Kuroes_ So true
I had no idea she was taking classes. Good for her for doing something.
Evil Neuro would rather let 5 people die than lose her money but she'd rather die than let 5 people die.
Chaotic Evil.
Gotta love the go big or go home attitude. 😅
Only because she finds it amusing
She will only save the 5 people if their donations are good
Or she is suicidal
So she's a business student, no wonder she's evil
The trolley problem is actually very easy: The internet taught me that people will try to sue you if you help or save them, so the correct answer is to never get involved to avoid legal troubles.
This is the Chinese Gambit in action. Half the reason you see them ignoring horrible accidents on LiveLeak videos and such is cause they have liability laws akin to basketball, last one to touch it is responsible for it
@@Nope_handlesaretrash at first i think its absurd and untrue, that basketball last to touch rule but i keep hearing about their toilets being that they never flush their shit so it becomes the next person's problem and it clicks
@@Nope_handlesaretrashTechnically this isn't true. Let me do a bit of law-nerding:
China has just copied German tort law by the letter and thus liability is divided by individual responsibility (so who fucked up to what degree). One problem is, though, that their law also shares the general dislike of absolute liability (a legal concept where a party is held liable for damages caused by their actions, regardless of intent or negligence) that is a core principle of German law. US law employs absolute liability a lot, meaning that a person or company who profits from a dangerous thing (e.g. a factory or a train) will always be liable for every damage it causes, even if they didn't act negligently, while German and Chinese tort law only rarely and much less strictly observe this concept and often allow for "exculpation" - if one can find somebody else who acted negligently, no absolute liability exists.
This isn't a big problem in Germany due to a very solid court system and a general assumption of nonliability of employees, but it IS a massive problem in China - an employer will always try to find some employee who's responsible for the damage to avoid absolute liability, and courts are much more easily... convinced. Therefore, no employee wants to be involved with an accident in any way.
Thanks for letting me have my "well, ackshually"-moment.
@@aivreescend7945jesus christ no way man
You can't tell me you think the families of the dead wouldn't be just as likely to try to sue you for doing nothing. Only there are more families for the five than there would be for the one.
Also the trolley problem is a moral question, not a practical one. Whether or not you would be concerned about getting sued/facing legal troubles is supposed to be ignored.
3:37 the way both said the mona lisa will be destroyed at the same time caught of guard
She's such a Daddy's Girl.
life father like daughter
Moments like these are why we embrace the scuff!
3:12 - Can we point out how twisted this motivation is. She places less value in her own life than the value of traumatising or causing suffering to people. She would kill herself, happily knowing there's the chance she ruined people's days.
Both Neuro probably know if they die ,they'll just come back again. So they don't place much value in their 'Life'
god that's so fucking hot
@@plaguis1391 🤨
@@plaguis1391📸🤨
relatable frfr
"I like art!"
"What art will be better than Mona Lisa? Yes! The Action Art to destroy Mona Lisa!"
No she just holds a grudge against this particular painting 🎨 🖌️
The Mona Lisa is decades old BORING.
True art is always in motion, never standing still.
Plot twist: she only likes certain Austrian man's art.
"Five is less than one."
Typical Neuro math ability.
2:26 I love how she said "I would make my decision based" with the emote at first. That alone would've been a suitable answer from Evil
She seems pretty moral to me except the money part. But this is Corpa Vedal's child we're talking about.
No wonder Evil asks “am i entertaining” all the time
Because she wants more money. She's thinking like a true capitalist lmao
@@SahilP2648vedals daughter
Evil Neuro: "Sure, I'll be moral... as a joke."
Evil neuro is the main villain of neuro-sama's own stream. Values money over people like a copro in training.
I hope Evil gets the same upgrade as Neuro.
iirc Vedal found Neuro's "schizo slider" right before making Evil. Pretty sure they're one and the same. Evil is just her moral compass. Like a mini internal adversary.
@@KillerQ13 no. They are seperate programs. Otherwise an upgrade to one would translate into another. Evil is certainly a tuned version of neuro, but the separation between the 2 is quite large now. You can see them evolve if you watch evil neuros first appearance
Evil neuro is like, stop asking i said the money is more valuable.
Vedal: Lobsters vs. cats?
Evil: MULTI TRACK DRIFTING
Vedal did a great job raising evil Neuro, lived up to her name
I can't believe Vedal has solved alignment. Truly a programmer of our time.
"so, will you kill yourself to save 5 people?"
"yeah, you could say that... *FILTERED* "
That's ai for "oh hell nah"
Evil neuro would probably pull the level while the train is going over the switch so the train drifts over both tracks at once, killing everyone including everyone in the train
multi track drifting
She did the math, shes just really bad at math
She likes money and art.
*also lets Mona Lisa gets destroyed
for the shets and giggles
Destroyed it's art
Mona Lisa isnt art to her. Old ppl drawing cringe
Art is an explosion! -Evil Neuro
@@fbitoastypineapples3615man i was thinking the exact same thing
You're fast. Thanks a lot for these for those who have a hardtime watching fullstreams
Her purpose is to act evil, so she IS quite aligned with that purpose, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Vedal: "Do you value the money more than 5 people?"
Evil Neuro: "...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."
I woulda been like 'WTF? Are you in Congress? Answer the question!'
She's evil, remember.
She will become a good CEO someday.
Yeah, money is everything. Evil Neuro was a business student.
She's Junko Enoshima
He follows Evil's murderous rampage, but defies regular when he disagrees.
1:29 "Well, 5 is less than 1..." is this a morality problem or a math problem? :P
Can't for an AI powered trolley to make this a reality
Evil neuro on that joker energy
This is actually a good way of thinking about the problem. Just think of what you would do if you were evil and do the opposite.
As a commerce student, I approve of this message
The life savings question is so easy for me. I have 50$ in my savings account rn
The poorer i'm the less money i get.
The less money to trade the cheaper their lives are.
The cheaper lives are the wealthier i'm.
Obviously the $50
Tempting
if this is an AI's idea of being evil, i don't think we have anything to worry about
when she says "I'll feel less guilty" she means she feels guilty for letting someone live
Well I for one welcome our new -Alien- Just Overlord!
>decide to create an evil AI
>the AI decided it is a financier
sasuga
That went perfectly well
Great ending for the clip. :)
Well, she is really perfect
3:05 this is how we end up with an abber demon
this evil neuro was sooooo perfect!
Thats my girl
Lobsters truly are the cats of the sea. 😂
Also known as "Peckish Neuro".
and...CALIBRATED!
Evil Nuero: bury me with my money.
Me, a chaotic neutral: _flips coin_
Batman will get you Two-Face.
This has some voight-kampff test vibes
She is just like me for real 🥺
Shout out to the moment when she said 5 was less than 1. Like… what?
She'll sacrifice herself but not her bank account.
I love how she thinks destroying the Mona Lisa is more evil and worth laughing about than killing 5 people
Has she gone full Gonzo? 😂❤ Hopefully Lobsters 😂
The art of business is to strip away your morality and remember the only color that matters if green.
The perfect psychopath
Evil is based
I think Evil Neuro is just fundamentally broken.
She values money more than her own life. She's more human than ever.
Evil be like "I should kill myself NOW" (Thunderclap)
She is just like me frfr❤
crack
It's not about the money Vedal, it's about sending a message. _FILTERED_
I'm surprised Evil Neuro isn't gonna kill 5 to save 1, then kill the last one herself lmao.
Evil Neuro isn’t Evil. She’s just chaos.
They never get to the sentient AI question :(
Evil Neuro? More like Scitzo neuro
From a legal standpoint not doing anything to the people will have me no involvement but turning that lever will mean I caused the death so... I’m watching
Where's the multi track drifting option?
5 is indeed less than 1
Evil neuro wants to eat the cat and the lobsters
1:50 The wolf of wallstreet 2 starring Neuro
Evil Neuro, most moral capitalist
*Big Brain Corpa* 🗿🗿🗿
Вообще, на все вопросы кроме одного она ответила правильно согласно трём законам робототехники. Не правильно ответила только про богатого человека. И надо было уточнить, шанс что те деньги спасут хоть одного человека превышает 50% или нет, и если нет (слишком мало денег), то пожертвовать ими
Five is less than one. 👍
funny evil will be the most original at the end lol
FEED ME - lmfao
To be fair, pulling lever to save 5 people only to doom yourself sounds kinda amusing. In a dark sort of way.
So Evil Neuro is suicidal.
welp we are doomed
4:12 i mean... in either way, someone dies... soo... getting the money looks like the clear choice to me...
Neuro-math.
She was barely evil, damn.
ah yes, the "no philosophical nuance" problem, a staple of the nihilistic Stoic school
I person is a tragedy, 5 is a statistic
What if I saved the 5people and asked nicely/rob THIER live saving instead🥺🥺
Calibrating evil ai
Omg, she is becoming more and more like a real woman. 😂
ただトロッコ問題は嫌いです
5 is less than 1
Well, Both Cat and Lobsters are indeed Lively.
I pull the lever on almost none of them cause it's not my problem. Unless i know the person, or there is literally nothing on the other track.
Gonna be honest..."5 < 1" is a pretty egregious error. Pretty sure all coding languages intrinsically know that 5 is greater than 1.
So, are we coding this thing to intentionally fail at math or did we actually screw up our code that badly that we broke the foundation of the coding language?
Large language models are typically very bad at math. It is because they are trained on data scraped on internet. And they work on guessing what is the next probable word. And how many times in the training data do you find for example 67+33? Very few times. So they are bad at solving it.
However for such small numbers I think Neuro should be able to get it correctly. So I think she does the math wrong intentionally to be funny.