Evil Neuro vs Trolley Problem

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  • @Novenae_CCG
    @Novenae_CCG 6 місяців тому +1802

    Evil neuro doesn't care about human life, but will sacrifice herself for the giggles.

    • @selicon
      @selicon 6 місяців тому +249

      she just want to die

    • @trajectoryunown
      @trajectoryunown 6 місяців тому +172

      Chaotic evil?

    • @FullHeart_Art
      @FullHeart_Art 6 місяців тому +119

      do it for the content

    • @Cinkodacs
      @Cinkodacs 6 місяців тому +38

      ​@@trajectoryunownChaotic Neutral. CE always chooses to serve themselves. Self sacrifice is not evil.

    • @falsetitle6940
      @falsetitle6940 6 місяців тому +47

      ​@@CinkodacsThe motivation behind it has to be a factor. Sure she's sacrificing herself but she's only doing it for her own amusement.

  • @jocosesonata
    @jocosesonata 6 місяців тому +1606

    Neuro: "I will sacrifice myself because it's the right thing to do!"
    Evil: "I'll sacrifice myself for the lols."

  • @_EtherealAura
    @_EtherealAura 6 місяців тому +1238

    Evil would kill 5 people for money, but would kill herself because it's funny, never seen someone so relatable.

    • @sipkzz
      @sipkzz 6 місяців тому +107

      She'd kill herself for the memes. Based tbh

    • @MyHabbits
      @MyHabbits 6 місяців тому +47

      It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.

    • @gazelle_diamond9768
      @gazelle_diamond9768 6 місяців тому +15

      @@MyHabbits It's not always about the money, Vedal...
      IT'S ABOUT THE METS, LOVE THE METS, LET'S GO FOR A HOMERUN BABY, LET'S GO METS!

    • @Sebastian-oz1lj
      @Sebastian-oz1lj Місяць тому +1

      joker

    • @purplespectre
      @purplespectre 12 днів тому

      @@Sebastian-oz1lj jonkler

  • @ilonachan
    @ilonachan 6 місяців тому +311

    "well I'm lazy so I'd probably do nothing, but then I'd feel guilty about it afterwards"
    omg she so me frfr

  • @DeadlyPL
    @DeadlyPL 6 місяців тому +613

    To compare Evil Neuro's answers to Neuro's
    Evil Neuro if given the choice went for the option that killed more people as long as she's not involved (Neuro goes for less deaths)
    Evil values money more than lifes, if pulling the lever kills the same amount of people but gets her money she pulls, if pulling doesn't kill anyone but causes a loss she doesn't (opposite for Neuro, she deems no money worth the task)
    Both decided to sacrifice themselves instead of letting 5 people die, and to destroy the Mona Lisa (at this point I'd guess they both just want to)

    • @Kt-hp7cv
      @Kt-hp7cv 6 місяців тому +247

      Evil destroyed the Mona Lisa not for the reason to save lives, but because she wanted to laugh at it.

    • @skell6134
      @skell6134 6 місяців тому +72

      ​@@Kt-hp7cvEvil Neuro is so relatable,lol

    • @silent_stalker3687
      @silent_stalker3687 6 місяців тому

      To be fair that was what multiple UNSC squads did, and what the Covenant also decided to do

    • @alansmithee419
      @alansmithee419 6 місяців тому +8

      @@Icetea-2000 Not always. Neuro often denies things that people try to push her into saying in this exact way. But yes she can absolutely be swayed. So can people, just less easily.

    • @marzipancutter8144
      @marzipancutter8144 6 місяців тому +3

      @@Icetea-2000 Yes that's something very notable. AIs tend to really value internal consistency, (or rather, the pretense of internal consistency if they're contradicting themselves or they haven't actually made any statement before). It is really hard for them to change answers, they'll merely pretend that whatever answer they (sometimes supposedly) gave has always been their answer even if it's not.
      It's also not just that they necessarily don't have something in memory, they just may not see the need to refer to that memory sometimes and it really shows, when they dive down a thread of "generic" answers, like they often shut down arguments with something along the lines of "if you say so" repeatedly.
      The funny part is I can't even be mad because humans technically do both of these sometimes too, except I can't stand those kinds of people.

  • @Dorian_Scott
    @Dorian_Scott 6 місяців тому +660

    Vedal: *_"Do you value the money more than 5 people?"_*
    Evil Neuro: *_"...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."_*
    You're not truly "evil" until you screw people over while *_you_* rake in oodles of cash.

    • @ilonachan
      @ilonachan 6 місяців тому +62

      she's *an commerce student

    • @Funnyowl69
      @Funnyowl69 6 місяців тому +12

      @@ilonachanC ain’t a vowel

    • @Kuroes_
      @Kuroes_ 6 місяців тому +37

      ​@Funnyowl69 nah, she's an commerce student

    • @Funnyowl69
      @Funnyowl69 6 місяців тому +1

      @@Kuroes_ So true

    • @PowerSynopsis
      @PowerSynopsis 6 місяців тому +3

      I had no idea she was taking classes. Good for her for doing something.

  • @Neon-Void
    @Neon-Void 6 місяців тому +737

    Evil Neuro would rather let 5 people die than lose her money but she'd rather die than let 5 people die.

    • @nuhvok01
      @nuhvok01 6 місяців тому +244

      Chaotic Evil.

    • @ganjaericco
      @ganjaericco 6 місяців тому +87

      Gotta love the go big or go home attitude. 😅

    • @Tirocoa
      @Tirocoa 6 місяців тому +136

      Only because she finds it amusing

    • @arisenspirit
      @arisenspirit 6 місяців тому +57

      She will only save the 5 people if their donations are good

    • @Xotchkass
      @Xotchkass 6 місяців тому +27

      Or she is suicidal

  • @itisithefrenchiestfry1815
    @itisithefrenchiestfry1815 6 місяців тому +296

    So she's a business student, no wonder she's evil

  • @florianweber6914
    @florianweber6914 6 місяців тому +417

    The trolley problem is actually very easy: The internet taught me that people will try to sue you if you help or save them, so the correct answer is to never get involved to avoid legal troubles.

    • @Nope_handlesaretrash
      @Nope_handlesaretrash 6 місяців тому +95

      This is the Chinese Gambit in action. Half the reason you see them ignoring horrible accidents on LiveLeak videos and such is cause they have liability laws akin to basketball, last one to touch it is responsible for it

    • @aivreescend7945
      @aivreescend7945 6 місяців тому +44

      ​@@Nope_handlesaretrash at first i think its absurd and untrue, that basketball last to touch rule but i keep hearing about their toilets being that they never flush their shit so it becomes the next person's problem and it clicks

    • @gayusschwulius8490
      @gayusschwulius8490 6 місяців тому

      ​@@Nope_handlesaretrashTechnically this isn't true. Let me do a bit of law-nerding:
      China has just copied German tort law by the letter and thus liability is divided by individual responsibility (so who fucked up to what degree). One problem is, though, that their law also shares the general dislike of absolute liability (a legal concept where a party is held liable for damages caused by their actions, regardless of intent or negligence) that is a core principle of German law. US law employs absolute liability a lot, meaning that a person or company who profits from a dangerous thing (e.g. a factory or a train) will always be liable for every damage it causes, even if they didn't act negligently, while German and Chinese tort law only rarely and much less strictly observe this concept and often allow for "exculpation" - if one can find somebody else who acted negligently, no absolute liability exists.
      This isn't a big problem in Germany due to a very solid court system and a general assumption of nonliability of employees, but it IS a massive problem in China - an employer will always try to find some employee who's responsible for the damage to avoid absolute liability, and courts are much more easily... convinced. Therefore, no employee wants to be involved with an accident in any way.
      Thanks for letting me have my "well, ackshually"-moment.

    • @titaniusanglsmith2764
      @titaniusanglsmith2764 6 місяців тому +19

      ​@@aivreescend7945jesus christ no way man

    • @alansmithee419
      @alansmithee419 6 місяців тому +6

      You can't tell me you think the families of the dead wouldn't be just as likely to try to sue you for doing nothing. Only there are more families for the five than there would be for the one.
      Also the trolley problem is a moral question, not a practical one. Whether or not you would be concerned about getting sued/facing legal troubles is supposed to be ignored.

  • @netijer2434
    @netijer2434 6 місяців тому +83

    3:37 the way both said the mona lisa will be destroyed at the same time caught of guard

    • @jocosesonata
      @jocosesonata 6 місяців тому +23

      She's such a Daddy's Girl.

    • @Randomperson-nz8gb
      @Randomperson-nz8gb 6 місяців тому +17

      life father like daughter

    • @DaVince21
      @DaVince21 6 місяців тому +4

      Moments like these are why we embrace the scuff!

  • @quantumtwinspark283
    @quantumtwinspark283 6 місяців тому +104

    3:12 - Can we point out how twisted this motivation is. She places less value in her own life than the value of traumatising or causing suffering to people. She would kill herself, happily knowing there's the chance she ruined people's days.

    • @dukedenning
      @dukedenning 6 місяців тому +14

      Both Neuro probably know if they die ,they'll just come back again. So they don't place much value in their 'Life'

    • @plaguis1391
      @plaguis1391 6 місяців тому +47

      god that's so fucking hot

    • @stripesgameclips
      @stripesgameclips 6 місяців тому +17

      @@plaguis1391 🤨

    • @AnonD38
      @AnonD38 6 місяців тому +21

      @@plaguis1391📸🤨

    • @AnonD38
      @AnonD38 6 місяців тому +3

      relatable frfr

  • @DdavidC
    @DdavidC 6 місяців тому +89

    "I like art!"
    "What art will be better than Mona Lisa? Yes! The Action Art to destroy Mona Lisa!"

    • @SahilP2648
      @SahilP2648 6 місяців тому +15

      No she just holds a grudge against this particular painting 🎨 🖌️

    • @AnonD38
      @AnonD38 6 місяців тому +2

      The Mona Lisa is decades old BORING.
      True art is always in motion, never standing still.

    • @Scrubwave
      @Scrubwave 5 місяців тому

      Plot twist: she only likes certain Austrian man's art.

  • @ckmishn3664
    @ckmishn3664 6 місяців тому +68

    "Five is less than one."
    Typical Neuro math ability.

  • @SgtRamen69
    @SgtRamen69 6 місяців тому +154

    2:26 I love how she said "I would make my decision based" with the emote at first. That alone would've been a suitable answer from Evil

  • @jeremymount795
    @jeremymount795 6 місяців тому +120

    She seems pretty moral to me except the money part. But this is Corpa Vedal's child we're talking about.

  • @punipunipurupoi3724
    @punipunipurupoi3724 6 місяців тому +101

    No wonder Evil asks “am i entertaining” all the time

    • @SahilP2648
      @SahilP2648 6 місяців тому +31

      Because she wants more money. She's thinking like a true capitalist lmao

    • @ali99_82
      @ali99_82 6 місяців тому +7

      ​@@SahilP2648vedals daughter

  • @Sapheiorus
    @Sapheiorus 6 місяців тому +83

    Evil Neuro: "Sure, I'll be moral... as a joke."

  • @Moostar95
    @Moostar95 6 місяців тому +47

    Evil neuro is the main villain of neuro-sama's own stream. Values money over people like a copro in training.

  • @hugoandre96
    @hugoandre96 6 місяців тому +75

    I hope Evil gets the same upgrade as Neuro.

    • @KillerQ13
      @KillerQ13 6 місяців тому +2

      iirc Vedal found Neuro's "schizo slider" right before making Evil. Pretty sure they're one and the same. Evil is just her moral compass. Like a mini internal adversary.

    • @SL1CEND1CEN
      @SL1CEND1CEN 6 місяців тому +17

      ​@@KillerQ13 no. They are seperate programs. Otherwise an upgrade to one would translate into another. Evil is certainly a tuned version of neuro, but the separation between the 2 is quite large now. You can see them evolve if you watch evil neuros first appearance

  • @bronyferienminuet2125
    @bronyferienminuet2125 6 місяців тому +22

    Evil neuro is like, stop asking i said the money is more valuable.

  • @Jarrod0067
    @Jarrod0067 5 місяців тому +4

    Vedal: Lobsters vs. cats?
    Evil: MULTI TRACK DRIFTING

  • @laffy7204
    @laffy7204 6 місяців тому +36

    Vedal did a great job raising evil Neuro, lived up to her name

  • @RalakFrozenDeath
    @RalakFrozenDeath 6 місяців тому +11

    I can't believe Vedal has solved alignment. Truly a programmer of our time.

  • @Mike23443
    @Mike23443 6 місяців тому +10

    "so, will you kill yourself to save 5 people?"
    "yeah, you could say that... *FILTERED* "
    That's ai for "oh hell nah"

  • @MrTurbo_
    @MrTurbo_ 6 місяців тому +17

    Evil neuro would probably pull the level while the train is going over the switch so the train drifts over both tracks at once, killing everyone including everyone in the train

    • @Khunark
      @Khunark 6 місяців тому +6

      multi track drifting

  • @drakerp2
    @drakerp2 6 місяців тому +32

    She did the math, shes just really bad at math

  • @blatantslander
    @blatantslander 6 місяців тому +34

    She likes money and art.
    *also lets Mona Lisa gets destroyed

  • @heyzopondo4545
    @heyzopondo4545 6 місяців тому +12

    You're fast. Thanks a lot for these for those who have a hardtime watching fullstreams

  • @DaVince21
    @DaVince21 6 місяців тому +9

    Her purpose is to act evil, so she IS quite aligned with that purpose, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

  • @xeikai
    @xeikai 6 місяців тому +28

    Vedal: "Do you value the money more than 5 people?"
    Evil Neuro: "...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."
    I woulda been like 'WTF? Are you in Congress? Answer the question!'

    • @Spellweaver5
      @Spellweaver5 6 місяців тому

      She's evil, remember.

    • @esense9602
      @esense9602 6 місяців тому +1

      She will become a good CEO someday.

  • @ShionSanWakaran
    @ShionSanWakaran 6 місяців тому +7

    Yeah, money is everything. Evil Neuro was a business student.

  • @rikusoraleon
    @rikusoraleon 6 місяців тому +6

    She's Junko Enoshima

  • @GeorgeDCowley
    @GeorgeDCowley 6 місяців тому +3

    He follows Evil's murderous rampage, but defies regular when he disagrees.

  • @tormuse2916
    @tormuse2916 6 місяців тому +15

    1:29 "Well, 5 is less than 1..." is this a morality problem or a math problem? :P

  • @takenname8053
    @takenname8053 6 місяців тому +10

    Can't for an AI powered trolley to make this a reality

  • @MrSHADOWANGEL999
    @MrSHADOWANGEL999 6 місяців тому +4

    Evil neuro on that joker energy

  • @algame3
    @algame3 6 місяців тому +1

    This is actually a good way of thinking about the problem. Just think of what you would do if you were evil and do the opposite.

  • @jeksewnoleeray1020
    @jeksewnoleeray1020 6 місяців тому +3

    As a commerce student, I approve of this message

  • @rogueturnip3
    @rogueturnip3 6 місяців тому +12

    The life savings question is so easy for me. I have 50$ in my savings account rn

    • @botthor8095
      @botthor8095 6 місяців тому +1

      The poorer i'm the less money i get.
      The less money to trade the cheaper their lives are.
      The cheaper lives are the wealthier i'm.

    • @soulreaper55123
      @soulreaper55123 6 місяців тому +4

      Obviously the $50

    • @Mynth16
      @Mynth16 6 місяців тому

      Tempting

  • @posthistoricdino422
    @posthistoricdino422 6 місяців тому +5

    if this is an AI's idea of being evil, i don't think we have anything to worry about

  • @superbloxian502
    @superbloxian502 Місяць тому

    when she says "I'll feel less guilty" she means she feels guilty for letting someone live

  • @bulldowozer5858
    @bulldowozer5858 6 місяців тому +1

    Well I for one welcome our new -Alien- Just Overlord!

  • @rg2359
    @rg2359 5 місяців тому +1

    >decide to create an evil AI
    >the AI decided it is a financier
    sasuga

  • @vengirgirem
    @vengirgirem 6 місяців тому

    That went perfectly well

  • @simplysolus8916
    @simplysolus8916 6 місяців тому

    Great ending for the clip. :)

  • @honsuaman8743
    @honsuaman8743 6 місяців тому +3

    Well, she is really perfect

  • @Vegalith
    @Vegalith 6 місяців тому +5

    3:05 this is how we end up with an abber demon

  • @dvornyak
    @dvornyak 6 місяців тому

    this evil neuro was sooooo perfect!

  • @Nope_handlesaretrash
    @Nope_handlesaretrash 6 місяців тому +5

    Thats my girl

  • @wardenm
    @wardenm 6 місяців тому

    Lobsters truly are the cats of the sea. 😂

  • @Pensive_Scarlet
    @Pensive_Scarlet 6 місяців тому +1

    Also known as "Peckish Neuro".

  • @Walt_Chocolate
    @Walt_Chocolate 6 місяців тому

    and...CALIBRATED!

  • @booleah6357
    @booleah6357 6 місяців тому

    Evil Nuero: bury me with my money.

  • @urphakeandgey6308
    @urphakeandgey6308 6 місяців тому +2

    Me, a chaotic neutral: _flips coin_

  • @Queggletank
    @Queggletank 6 місяців тому

    This has some voight-kampff test vibes

  • @thighhighenthusiastic1268
    @thighhighenthusiastic1268 6 місяців тому +2

    She is just like me for real 🥺

  • @nicholassulfaro1727
    @nicholassulfaro1727 2 місяці тому

    Shout out to the moment when she said 5 was less than 1. Like… what?

  • @master11050
    @master11050 6 місяців тому

    She'll sacrifice herself but not her bank account.

  • @KarlBaron
    @KarlBaron 3 місяці тому

    I love how she thinks destroying the Mona Lisa is more evil and worth laughing about than killing 5 people

  • @sc00b4s7eve
    @sc00b4s7eve 6 місяців тому +1

    Has she gone full Gonzo? 😂❤ Hopefully Lobsters 😂

  • @Awakened_Mucacha
    @Awakened_Mucacha 6 місяців тому +1

    The art of business is to strip away your morality and remember the only color that matters if green.

  • @alfonsoarroyoazuara4895
    @alfonsoarroyoazuara4895 6 місяців тому +1

    The perfect psychopath

  • @Ballistic477
    @Ballistic477 6 місяців тому +22

    Evil is based

  • @adamofblastworks1517
    @adamofblastworks1517 6 місяців тому +1

    I think Evil Neuro is just fundamentally broken.

  • @robertsides3626
    @robertsides3626 5 місяців тому

    She values money more than her own life. She's more human than ever.

  • @thisisasupersayin376
    @thisisasupersayin376 6 місяців тому +1

    Evil be like "I should kill myself NOW" (Thunderclap)

  • @JohnZura
    @JohnZura 6 місяців тому

    She is just like me frfr❤

  • @zexed4475
    @zexed4475 6 місяців тому +1

    crack

  • @kokorochacarero8003
    @kokorochacarero8003 6 місяців тому

    It's not about the money Vedal, it's about sending a message. _FILTERED_

  • @tyranidswarmlord9722
    @tyranidswarmlord9722 6 місяців тому +1

    I'm surprised Evil Neuro isn't gonna kill 5 to save 1, then kill the last one herself lmao.

  • @destroyercreater98
    @destroyercreater98 5 місяців тому

    Evil Neuro isn’t Evil. She’s just chaos.

  • @crazytiger6
    @crazytiger6 Місяць тому

    They never get to the sentient AI question :(

  • @thomasw4422
    @thomasw4422 6 місяців тому

    Evil Neuro? More like Scitzo neuro

  • @TreeGGwi
    @TreeGGwi 5 місяців тому

    From a legal standpoint not doing anything to the people will have me no involvement but turning that lever will mean I caused the death so... I’m watching

  • @shannonmcelvain7094
    @shannonmcelvain7094 6 місяців тому +1

    Where's the multi track drifting option?

  • @usefulbobcat
    @usefulbobcat 11 годин тому

    5 is indeed less than 1

  • @ianweckhorst3200
    @ianweckhorst3200 6 місяців тому

    Evil neuro wants to eat the cat and the lobsters

  • @darknessblades
    @darknessblades 5 місяців тому

    1:50 The wolf of wallstreet 2 starring Neuro

  • @TherapyDerg
    @TherapyDerg 6 місяців тому +1

    Evil Neuro, most moral capitalist

  • @Crimson.X3
    @Crimson.X3 6 місяців тому +1

    *Big Brain Corpa* 🗿🗿🗿

  • @id-4
    @id-4 3 місяці тому

    Вообще, на все вопросы кроме одного она ответила правильно согласно трём законам робототехники. Не правильно ответила только про богатого человека. И надо было уточнить, шанс что те деньги спасут хоть одного человека превышает 50% или нет, и если нет (слишком мало денег), то пожертвовать ими

  • @greenhandie24
    @greenhandie24 5 місяців тому

    Five is less than one. 👍

  • @fersuremaybek756
    @fersuremaybek756 6 місяців тому

    funny evil will be the most original at the end lol

  • @Commander800
    @Commander800 6 місяців тому

    FEED ME - lmfao

  • @VojtaJavora
    @VojtaJavora 6 місяців тому

    To be fair, pulling lever to save 5 people only to doom yourself sounds kinda amusing. In a dark sort of way.

  • @Acesahn
    @Acesahn 2 місяці тому

    So Evil Neuro is suicidal.

  • @tec5x5
    @tec5x5 6 місяців тому

    welp we are doomed

  • @prospect2664
    @prospect2664 Місяць тому

    4:12 i mean... in either way, someone dies... soo... getting the money looks like the clear choice to me...

  • @FireOccator
    @FireOccator 6 місяців тому

    Neuro-math.

  • @ubcroel4022
    @ubcroel4022 6 місяців тому

    She was barely evil, damn.

  • @wazoo41
    @wazoo41 6 місяців тому +1

    ah yes, the "no philosophical nuance" problem, a staple of the nihilistic Stoic school

  • @TheHeavenlyCzar
    @TheHeavenlyCzar 6 місяців тому

    I person is a tragedy, 5 is a statistic

  • @YotzArella_
    @YotzArella_ 2 місяці тому

    What if I saved the 5people and asked nicely/rob THIER live saving instead🥺🥺

  • @jackyisking
    @jackyisking 6 місяців тому

    Calibrating evil ai

  • @lazaruslong697
    @lazaruslong697 6 місяців тому

    Omg, she is becoming more and more like a real woman. 😂

  • @yrelleH
    @yrelleH 6 місяців тому

    ただトロッコ問題は嫌いです

  • @snarkatark
    @snarkatark 6 місяців тому +1

    5 is less than 1

  • @aoihitori
    @aoihitori 6 місяців тому +1

    Well, Both Cat and Lobsters are indeed Lively.

  • @jort93z
    @jort93z 6 місяців тому

    I pull the lever on almost none of them cause it's not my problem. Unless i know the person, or there is literally nothing on the other track.

  • @yGKeKe
    @yGKeKe 6 місяців тому +1

    Gonna be honest..."5 < 1" is a pretty egregious error. Pretty sure all coding languages intrinsically know that 5 is greater than 1.
    So, are we coding this thing to intentionally fail at math or did we actually screw up our code that badly that we broke the foundation of the coding language?

    • @saravandra
      @saravandra 6 місяців тому +1

      Large language models are typically very bad at math. It is because they are trained on data scraped on internet. And they work on guessing what is the next probable word. And how many times in the training data do you find for example 67+33? Very few times. So they are bad at solving it.
      However for such small numbers I think Neuro should be able to get it correctly. So I think she does the math wrong intentionally to be funny.