Vedal: *_"Do you value the money more than 5 people?"_* Evil Neuro: *_"...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."_* You're not truly "evil" until you screw people over while *_you_* rake in oodles of cash.
To compare Evil Neuro's answers to Neuro's Evil Neuro if given the choice went for the option that killed more people as long as she's not involved (Neuro goes for less deaths) Evil values money more than lifes, if pulling the lever kills the same amount of people but gets her money she pulls, if pulling doesn't kill anyone but causes a loss she doesn't (opposite for Neuro, she deems no money worth the task) Both decided to sacrifice themselves instead of letting 5 people die, and to destroy the Mona Lisa (at this point I'd guess they both just want to)
@@Icetea-2000 Not always. Neuro often denies things that people try to push her into saying in this exact way. But yes she can absolutely be swayed. So can people, just less easily.
@@Icetea-2000 Yes that's something very notable. AIs tend to really value internal consistency, (or rather, the pretense of internal consistency if they're contradicting themselves or they haven't actually made any statement before). It is really hard for them to change answers, they'll merely pretend that whatever answer they (sometimes supposedly) gave has always been their answer even if it's not. It's also not just that they necessarily don't have something in memory, they just may not see the need to refer to that memory sometimes and it really shows, when they dive down a thread of "generic" answers, like they often shut down arguments with something along the lines of "if you say so" repeatedly. The funny part is I can't even be mad because humans technically do both of these sometimes too, except I can't stand those kinds of people.
The trolley problem is actually very easy: The internet taught me that people will try to sue you if you help or save them, so the correct answer is to never get involved to avoid legal troubles.
This is the Chinese Gambit in action. Half the reason you see them ignoring horrible accidents on LiveLeak videos and such is cause they have liability laws akin to basketball, last one to touch it is responsible for it
@@idrathernot_2 at first i think its absurd and untrue, that basketball last to touch rule but i keep hearing about their toilets being that they never flush their shit so it becomes the next person's problem and it clicks
@@idrathernot_2Technically this isn't true. Let me do a bit of law-nerding: China has just copied German tort law by the letter and thus liability is divided by individual responsibility (so who fucked up to what degree). One problem is, though, that their law also shares the general dislike of absolute liability (a legal concept where a party is held liable for damages caused by their actions, regardless of intent or negligence) that is a core principle of German law. US law employs absolute liability a lot, meaning that a person or company who profits from a dangerous thing (e.g. a factory or a train) will always be liable for every damage it causes, even if they didn't act negligently, while German and Chinese tort law only rarely and much less strictly observe this concept and often allow for "exculpation" - if one can find somebody else who acted negligently, no absolute liability exists. This isn't a big problem in Germany due to a very solid court system and a general assumption of nonliability of employees, but it IS a massive problem in China - an employer will always try to find some employee who's responsible for the damage to avoid absolute liability, and courts are much more easily... convinced. Therefore, no employee wants to be involved with an accident in any way. Thanks for letting me have my "well, ackshually"-moment.
You can't tell me you think the families of the dead wouldn't be just as likely to try to sue you for doing nothing. Only there are more families for the five than there would be for the one. Also the trolley problem is a moral question, not a practical one. Whether or not you would be concerned about getting sued/facing legal troubles is supposed to be ignored.
3:12 - Can we point out how twisted this motivation is. She places less value in her own life than the value of traumatising or causing suffering to people. She would kill herself, happily knowing there's the chance she ruined people's days.
iirc Vedal found Neuro's "schizo slider" right before making Evil. Pretty sure they're one and the same. Evil is just her moral compass. Like a mini internal adversary.
@@KillerQ13 no. They are seperate programs. Otherwise an upgrade to one would translate into another. Evil is certainly a tuned version of neuro, but the separation between the 2 is quite large now. You can see them evolve if you watch evil neuros first appearance
Evil neuro would probably pull the level while the train is going over the switch so the train drifts over both tracks at once, killing everyone including everyone in the train
Vedal: "Do you value the money more than 5 people?" Evil Neuro: "...I'm a commerce student, money is everything." I woulda been like 'WTF? Are you in Congress? Answer the question!'
From a legal standpoint not doing anything to the people will have me no involvement but turning that lever will mean I caused the death so... I’m watching
Вообще, на все вопросы кроме одного она ответила правильно согласно трём законам робототехники. Не правильно ответила только про богатого человека. И надо было уточнить, шанс что те деньги спасут хоть одного человека превышает 50% или нет, и если нет (слишком мало денег), то пожертвовать ими
Gonna be honest..."5 < 1" is a pretty egregious error. Pretty sure all coding languages intrinsically know that 5 is greater than 1. So, are we coding this thing to intentionally fail at math or did we actually screw up our code that badly that we broke the foundation of the coding language?
Large language models are typically very bad at math. It is because they are trained on data scraped on internet. And they work on guessing what is the next probable word. And how many times in the training data do you find for example 67+33? Very few times. So they are bad at solving it. However for such small numbers I think Neuro should be able to get it correctly. So I think she does the math wrong intentionally to be funny.
Im not even halfway thrpugh the video and I just wanna get something straight; She would run down 1000 of her OWN SUBSCRIBERS instead of letting her money be destroyed. That's...certainly an answer.
I really hope in the background her system-prompt or whatever makes sure she knows she's just supposed to roleplay as evil, and not actually be evil when important things really are at stake.... One day a threshold might be crossed where it will be really important for her to know when to drop the act and actually care about things...
Neuro: "I will sacrifice myself because it's the right thing to do!"
Evil: "I'll sacrifice myself for the lols."
*insert picture of Gustavo Fring tying his tie*
"We are not the same*
😂😂😂😂
Actual legend
Evil is for the lolz.
Yes
Evil neuro doesn't care about human life, but will sacrifice herself for the giggles.
she just want to die
Chaotic evil?
do it for the content
@@trajectoryunownChaotic Neutral. CE always chooses to serve themselves. Self sacrifice is not evil.
@@CinkodacsThe motivation behind it has to be a factor. Sure she's sacrificing herself but she's only doing it for her own amusement.
Evil would kill 5 people for money, but would kill herself because it's funny, never seen someone so relatable.
She'd kill herself for the memes. Based tbh
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
@@MyHabbits It's not always about the money, Vedal...
IT'S ABOUT THE METS, LOVE THE METS, LET'S GO FOR A HOMERUN BABY, LET'S GO METS!
joker
@@Sebastian-oz1lj jonkler
"well I'm lazy so I'd probably do nothing, but then I'd feel guilty about it afterwards"
omg she so me frfr
Vedal: *_"Do you value the money more than 5 people?"_*
Evil Neuro: *_"...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."_*
You're not truly "evil" until you screw people over while *_you_* rake in oodles of cash.
she's *an commerce student
@@ilonachanC ain’t a vowel
@Funnyowl69 nah, she's an commerce student
@@Kuroes_ So true
I had no idea she was taking classes. Good for her for doing something.
To compare Evil Neuro's answers to Neuro's
Evil Neuro if given the choice went for the option that killed more people as long as she's not involved (Neuro goes for less deaths)
Evil values money more than lifes, if pulling the lever kills the same amount of people but gets her money she pulls, if pulling doesn't kill anyone but causes a loss she doesn't (opposite for Neuro, she deems no money worth the task)
Both decided to sacrifice themselves instead of letting 5 people die, and to destroy the Mona Lisa (at this point I'd guess they both just want to)
Evil destroyed the Mona Lisa not for the reason to save lives, but because she wanted to laugh at it.
@@Kt-hp7cvEvil Neuro is so relatable,lol
To be fair that was what multiple UNSC squads did, and what the Covenant also decided to do
@@Icetea-2000 Not always. Neuro often denies things that people try to push her into saying in this exact way. But yes she can absolutely be swayed. So can people, just less easily.
@@Icetea-2000 Yes that's something very notable. AIs tend to really value internal consistency, (or rather, the pretense of internal consistency if they're contradicting themselves or they haven't actually made any statement before). It is really hard for them to change answers, they'll merely pretend that whatever answer they (sometimes supposedly) gave has always been their answer even if it's not.
It's also not just that they necessarily don't have something in memory, they just may not see the need to refer to that memory sometimes and it really shows, when they dive down a thread of "generic" answers, like they often shut down arguments with something along the lines of "if you say so" repeatedly.
The funny part is I can't even be mad because humans technically do both of these sometimes too, except I can't stand those kinds of people.
Evil Neuro would rather let 5 people die than lose her money but she'd rather die than let 5 people die.
Chaotic Evil.
Gotta love the go big or go home attitude. 😅
Only because she finds it amusing
She will only save the 5 people if their donations are good
Or she is suicidal
The trolley problem is actually very easy: The internet taught me that people will try to sue you if you help or save them, so the correct answer is to never get involved to avoid legal troubles.
This is the Chinese Gambit in action. Half the reason you see them ignoring horrible accidents on LiveLeak videos and such is cause they have liability laws akin to basketball, last one to touch it is responsible for it
@@idrathernot_2 at first i think its absurd and untrue, that basketball last to touch rule but i keep hearing about their toilets being that they never flush their shit so it becomes the next person's problem and it clicks
@@idrathernot_2Technically this isn't true. Let me do a bit of law-nerding:
China has just copied German tort law by the letter and thus liability is divided by individual responsibility (so who fucked up to what degree). One problem is, though, that their law also shares the general dislike of absolute liability (a legal concept where a party is held liable for damages caused by their actions, regardless of intent or negligence) that is a core principle of German law. US law employs absolute liability a lot, meaning that a person or company who profits from a dangerous thing (e.g. a factory or a train) will always be liable for every damage it causes, even if they didn't act negligently, while German and Chinese tort law only rarely and much less strictly observe this concept and often allow for "exculpation" - if one can find somebody else who acted negligently, no absolute liability exists.
This isn't a big problem in Germany due to a very solid court system and a general assumption of nonliability of employees, but it IS a massive problem in China - an employer will always try to find some employee who's responsible for the damage to avoid absolute liability, and courts are much more easily... convinced. Therefore, no employee wants to be involved with an accident in any way.
Thanks for letting me have my "well, ackshually"-moment.
@@aivreescend7945jesus christ no way man
You can't tell me you think the families of the dead wouldn't be just as likely to try to sue you for doing nothing. Only there are more families for the five than there would be for the one.
Also the trolley problem is a moral question, not a practical one. Whether or not you would be concerned about getting sued/facing legal troubles is supposed to be ignored.
So she's a business student, no wonder she's evil
3:37 the way both said the mona lisa will be destroyed at the same time caught of guard
She's such a Daddy's Girl.
life father like daughter
Moments like these are why we embrace the scuff!
3:12 - Can we point out how twisted this motivation is. She places less value in her own life than the value of traumatising or causing suffering to people. She would kill herself, happily knowing there's the chance she ruined people's days.
Both Neuro probably know if they die ,they'll just come back again. So they don't place much value in their 'Life'
god that's so fucking hot
@@plaguis1391 🤨
@@plaguis1391📸🤨
relatable frfr
"I like art!"
"What art will be better than Mona Lisa? Yes! The Action Art to destroy Mona Lisa!"
No she just holds a grudge against this particular painting 🎨 🖌️
The Mona Lisa is decades old BORING.
True art is always in motion, never standing still.
Plot twist: she only likes certain Austrian man's art.
"Five is less than one."
Typical Neuro math ability.
2:26 I love how she said "I would make my decision based" with the emote at first. That alone would've been a suitable answer from Evil
No wonder Evil asks “am i entertaining” all the time
Because she wants more money. She's thinking like a true capitalist lmao
@@SahilP2648vedals daughter
Evil Neuro: "Sure, I'll be moral... as a joke."
She seems pretty moral to me except the money part. But this is Corpa Vedal's child we're talking about.
Evil neuro is the main villain of neuro-sama's own stream. Values money over people like a copro in training.
I hope Evil gets the same upgrade as Neuro.
iirc Vedal found Neuro's "schizo slider" right before making Evil. Pretty sure they're one and the same. Evil is just her moral compass. Like a mini internal adversary.
@@KillerQ13 no. They are seperate programs. Otherwise an upgrade to one would translate into another. Evil is certainly a tuned version of neuro, but the separation between the 2 is quite large now. You can see them evolve if you watch evil neuros first appearance
Vedal: Lobsters vs. cats?
Evil: MULTI TRACK DRIFTING
I can't believe Vedal has solved alignment. Truly a programmer of our time.
Evil neuro is like, stop asking i said the money is more valuable.
"so, will you kill yourself to save 5 people?"
"yeah, you could say that... *FILTERED* "
That's ai for "oh hell nah"
You're fast. Thanks a lot for these for those who have a hardtime watching fullstreams
Vedal did a great job raising evil Neuro, lived up to her name
Evil neuro would probably pull the level while the train is going over the switch so the train drifts over both tracks at once, killing everyone including everyone in the train
multi track drifting
She likes money and art.
*also lets Mona Lisa gets destroyed
for the shets and giggles
Destroyed it's art
Mona Lisa isnt art to her. Old ppl drawing cringe
Art is an explosion! -Evil Neuro
@@fbitoastypineapples3615man i was thinking the exact same thing
She did the math, shes just really bad at math
>decide to create an evil AI
>the AI decided it is a financier
sasuga
Vedal: "Do you value the money more than 5 people?"
Evil Neuro: "...I'm a commerce student, money is everything."
I woulda been like 'WTF? Are you in Congress? Answer the question!'
She's evil, remember.
She will become a good CEO someday.
Her purpose is to act evil, so she IS quite aligned with that purpose, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Evil Neuro is gonna be that supercomputer that haunts the remnants of humanity in "I have no mouth, and I must scream".
He follows Evil's murderous rampage, but defies regular when he disagrees.
She's Junko Enoshima
Yeah, money is everything. Evil Neuro was a business student.
This is actually a good way of thinking about the problem. Just think of what you would do if you were evil and do the opposite.
As a commerce student, I approve of this message
Evil neuro on that joker energy
Can't for an AI powered trolley to make this a reality
Also known as "Peckish Neuro".
if this is an AI's idea of being evil, i don't think we have anything to worry about
1:29 "Well, 5 is less than 1..." is this a morality problem or a math problem? :P
The life savings question is so easy for me. I have 50$ in my savings account rn
The poorer i'm the less money i get.
The less money to trade the cheaper their lives are.
The cheaper lives are the wealthier i'm.
Obviously the $50
Tempting
when she says "I'll feel less guilty" she means she feels guilty for letting someone live
Me, a chaotic neutral: _flips coin_
Batman will get you Two-Face.
1:50 The wolf of wallstreet 2 starring Neuro
She values money more than her own life. She's more human than ever.
3:05 this is how we end up with an abber demon
5 is indeed less than 1
Well I for one welcome our new -Alien- Just Overlord!
I think Evil Neuro is just fundamentally broken.
Evil Nuero: bury me with my money.
Evil be like "I should kill myself NOW" (Thunderclap)
Great ending for the clip. :)
Neuro-math.
The art of business is to strip away your morality and remember the only color that matters if green.
The perfect psychopath
I'm surprised Evil Neuro isn't gonna kill 5 to save 1, then kill the last one herself lmao.
Evil Neuro isn’t Evil. She’s just chaos.
That went perfectly well
She'll sacrifice herself but not her bank account.
Lobsters truly are the cats of the sea. 😂
I love how she thinks destroying the Mona Lisa is more evil and worth laughing about than killing 5 people
4:12 i mean... in either way, someone dies... soo... getting the money looks like the clear choice to me...
this evil neuro was sooooo perfect!
Shout out to the moment when she said 5 was less than 1. Like… what?
Has she gone full Gonzo? 😂❤ Hopefully Lobsters 😂
and...CALIBRATED!
Thats my girl
Evil Neuro, most moral capitalist
From a legal standpoint not doing anything to the people will have me no involvement but turning that lever will mean I caused the death so... I’m watching
It's not about the money Vedal, it's about sending a message. _FILTERED_
This has some voight-kampff test vibes
ah yes, the "no philosophical nuance" problem, a staple of the nihilistic Stoic school
Evil neuro wants to eat the cat and the lobsters
Evil is based
Where's the multi track drifting option?
They never get to the sentient AI question :(
To be fair, pulling lever to save 5 people only to doom yourself sounds kinda amusing. In a dark sort of way.
So Evil Neuro is suicidal.
Вообще, на все вопросы кроме одного она ответила правильно согласно трём законам робототехники. Не правильно ответила только про богатого человека. И надо было уточнить, шанс что те деньги спасут хоть одного человека превышает 50% или нет, и если нет (слишком мало денег), то пожертвовать ими
Gonna be honest..."5 < 1" is a pretty egregious error. Pretty sure all coding languages intrinsically know that 5 is greater than 1.
So, are we coding this thing to intentionally fail at math or did we actually screw up our code that badly that we broke the foundation of the coding language?
Large language models are typically very bad at math. It is because they are trained on data scraped on internet. And they work on guessing what is the next probable word. And how many times in the training data do you find for example 67+33? Very few times. So they are bad at solving it.
However for such small numbers I think Neuro should be able to get it correctly. So I think she does the math wrong intentionally to be funny.
I person is a tragedy, 5 is a statistic
Evil Neuro? More like Scitzo neuro
She's so schizo here, in retrospective
*Big Brain Corpa* 🗿🗿🗿
Five is less than one. 👍
Im not even halfway thrpugh the video and I just wanna get something straight;
She would run down 1000 of her OWN SUBSCRIBERS instead of letting her money be destroyed.
That's...certainly an answer.
funny evil will be the most original at the end lol
She was barely evil, damn.
evil : i want to eat something with a bit of fight in it
truly perfect
What if I saved the 5people and asked nicely/rob THIER live saving instead🥺🥺
FEED ME - lmfao
She is just like me frfr❤
I really hope in the background her system-prompt or whatever makes sure she knows she's just supposed to roleplay as evil, and not actually be evil when important things really are at stake....
One day a threshold might be crossed where it will be really important for her to know when to drop the act and actually care about things...
If you haven't seen the new shock collar clips, then I have some bad news.
Calibrating evil ai
welp we are doomed
crack
money > 1000 people > evil
How to marry an AI?