@@minidee2194if Ayre was willing to turn on a dime so quickly to save her people, I had 0 doubts she would throw Raven under the bus too if needed (and she did eventually), that’s why I did the Fires of Raven ending first even if I liked Ayre
It’s really a well written lose lose no matter what route you pick. Either you kill Rusty and Ayre and commit genocide by destroying the planet or you kill Carla, chatty, and Walter. The people who pulled you out of the fire and stuck up for you. Or you watch allmind kill everyone
Carla, before the fires of Ibis, was implied to always like making people smile and laugh. Even as we meet her she cracks minor jokes, tries to crack a smile. I think her trying to make chatty laugh was the ultimate challenge for her, and she liked it. It hurts even more with the fires of Raven route, watching as she breaks down on COMs upon chatty dying, but she tries to keep herself together to help 621. Either way Carla and Chatty get the shit end of the stick
I personally don't think that Carla was a survivor of the fires of Ibis. She'd have to be over 50 years old to have been so. Assuming that we're following SmoughTown's theory of Carla being assistant number 2, then I would guess that she'd have to be in her seventies at least by the time of the game's events. Either way, listening to Carla in game, I simply don't see that voice belonging to someone that old. Further backing this up, there's a log that can be found on a wrecked MT in the mission to eliminate Honest Brute. In the snippet of the conversation we get, it is outright stated that Carla is too young to have been a 'Cinder'. I believe that Carla's nickname 'Cinder' was something she gave to herself, a little piece of foreshadowing of her goal at the game's end, to burn the coral.
I didn't even know chatty was a bot until I did the fires of raven ending with freud. "You're making this hard tourist, I can hear the chief laughing." dammit robot stop raining in my eyes!
Laughing often happens in stressful or uncomfortable situations as much as joyful or funny ones so having the AI learn to laugh only on the brink of destruction is... tragic.
Same with STEEL HAZE ORTUS. The sheer hype of that battle combined with his chad energy vaporized any tears forming in my eyes and used the energy produced from that to fuel my gamer senses
Even thats rare tbh, i mean by the end of each ending you've already practically wiped out the vespers, redguns and probably also the RLF as well as the PCA.
Carla's tone scared me when I first heard her in that battle. "Times like this... I can't help but laugh!" - proceeds to avenge Chatty five seconds later. "At least stay for dessert, tourist!" - during my second round when I decided to focus down Carla instead. There's a powerful rage focused into "quips" that are menacing instead of silly. Chatty's deadpan anger is also formidable, but I didn't find it as scary because he's not as much of a physical threat as Carla.
The "Guess... I can't do everything..." line was the main reason i ended up getting the "Fires of Raven" ending. Chatty says it in such a sad tone that it legit made me unable to follow through with the mission
“AT LEAST STAY FOR DESERT TOURIST!!” And “IS THAT ALL YOUVE GOT?! C’MON!!” God words cannot describe how much that pumped me up during the fight, I still occasionally replay the mission just to hear that line again, the delivery is so good!
In Fire of Raven, you killed your friends (Rusty and Ayre). In Liberator of Rubicon, you killed your mentors (Carla and Walter). In Alea Iacta Est, you let Allmind kills everyone, and you may directly or indirectly responsible.
In Fire of Raven ending, it is clash of belief, we have to burn the Coral before it spread too wide and wipe humanity from the earth (or Arquebus managed to control them and created a world worse than cyberpunk). I feels sorry for Rusty and people of Rubicon, but Coral is something that they can't control and have to be burned In Alea lacta Est ending, I'm just a pawn of ALLMIND, and I'm not saying no to a sexy lady voice
@@Kingofdragons117 sadly, yeap, or at least 99% confirmed. Dude is on the kill list, and seeing how strong ALLMIND become, it is only fitting that Rusty also fall to it. Plus I heard that one of the sound is actually Rusty (but could be others as they sharing VAs)
I wonder what carla and chattys relationship is. She must have been really attached with noone else around? Or maybe chatty is based on someone old that carla knew?
Chatty's personality is actually the lack of personality itself. When Carla built Chatty, he always says nothing more than necessary, so he appears that he has a serious business persona. Most dosers isn't the best conversation partner and a lot of her underlings are probably afraid of her.
This fight sucked on every level. Not because it was difficult but because I really liked Carla and Chatty. They're with you in the game the most other than maybe Walter. You make a really good connection with her only for her to have to die to get the good ending. Her scenes are superb and the emotion when she says "Parting gift from Walter!" when the Xylem rises is one of the best moments of the entire game.
I really hated that there was no other way around fighting Carla and Chatty. Like we couldn't convince her of the Life inside the coral? Maybe if DLC comes out or anything if you S rank everything and unlock another run, one that sees your allies (Rusty, Walter, Carla, Chatty,... and maybe G1 Michigan) live and face a completely different enemy all together
Honestly I wish there was some more allyship with the redguns, after finishing all three endings I still really enjoyed G1 and G6 dialogue. (Tbh G5 as well)
In each of the endings you have to betray someone - sit on the fence and you make no enemies. I think the Overseers knew about coral life (walter kinda knows Ayre is talking to you, as Carla mentions in this fight), but wanted to burn it anyway because of its horrible destructive potential
I couldn’t for the life of me beat this fight without going for Carla first so I always wondered what she said when you beat Chatty first so this video was nice to see. Then I watch and damn I’m reminded that this game was made by Fromsoftware. There is no good ending for Carla and Chatty. Sure in fires of raven you fulfill her wish but she still dies and the other two are just tragic for her.
I really did not mind killing these two. I'm not saying it felt good. But Ayre was my friend, as was Rusty. Carla and Walter were handlers, and I've always had authority issues. In the True Ending, there's no winning, unfortunately. I feel like this game required an ending option that most games are afraid of putting in, which is to fuck everyone over, and follow exactly no path other than your own. You don't pick a side; you are on your side alone, and damn all others. This likely leads to nothing good, but that's the point. To not follow, nor lead.
Ayre is genuinely the most useless piece shit in the entire game, she just wants you to do whatever for her and only helps you in the end, at least Carla saved you and Walter get jobs for you lol
I don't know if it was in this fight or somewhere else, but I think if you kill chatty before his lil' laugh he says "Im sorry, I never learned how to laugh" Either way, god fuckin' dammit this fight. Why must FromSoft just crush my heart ;-;
I’m pretty sure he laughs when below a certain amount of health every time, and when Snail (i think it’s snail) kills him he says “I’m sorry, chief. I never did learn how to laugh”
I love for this fight thst you have to use your environment to beat them. Her missles are useless in the outer part kf the bottom section of the stage.
Carla joined RaD, a group founded to rebuild Rubicon, with the sole purpose of one day annihilating the whole planet and everyone on it. Chatty is an AI. Don't feel so bad, everyone is in everyone else's way.
It was a hard decision for this fight honestly Carla saved you she helped you defeat the worm robot and helped to deal some serious blows to the PCA Ultimately I chose this path because Ayre asked ask me to and because what she wasn't asking for something necessarily selfish she was asking to protect her people from genocide who wouldn't want to protect them She helped you taking down Macy's left right and Center giving you tactical breakdowns analysis and the one time she asked you to do something it's to protect her family that I could get behind I knew I made the right choice when I saw Rusty join me then I knew I chose the good ending
I'll look, but I think that alt was Coral Export and thats not a 1v3 and it didn't have much dialogue wise. Theres that 2 LCs and 1 HC mission, but it doesn't really have much, not even player death dialogue oddly enough.
@@GreyCaliber It was the Prevent Corporate salvage of new tech mission. At least we got more dialogues from the PCAs perspective even if it's little on each mission involving them
I started this mission damaged and without repair kits because I killed Snail. When I arrived to Carla I felt bad at the start, until she started to laught at me then I started to feel more neutral, but even after death she keeps insulting you and saying the more painfull words she could find, so I must say that after that this mission became "easier". 💥🔥 🕷️🔥💥🔫🤖 Bye Bye Carla
2:34 this line really make me think Ayre is just a stupid ahole, or actually super manipulative. Carla has been ranked very high in the arena and the fact that she made quite a lot of toys while still stay as one of the faction leader, proof that she is really strong. Yet Ayre, before she commence 621 to kill her and Chatty, didn't even think that they are... tough? Because either that, or she secretly look down on everyone and think that 621 could just stomp everyone easily
I think my biggest criticism of this game in spite of how good it is and how much I enjoyed it, is that as both 621 and the player, we aren’t given enough autonomy. 95% of the time and especially in cases like this there’s no room for other choices. Choices like defeating Carla and Chatty without killing them. There’s no way to restrain them or choose a peaceful course with them over violence in order to follow ayres wishes. I feel like this issue plagued every other part of the game. But it’s especially apparent in the endings. Whether you have to fight Carla, Chatty, Ayre or Walter. There is not enough autonomy. I personally feel like giving the player more autonomy like the ability to spare someone your fighting while defeating them would only do the game one better and would likely make its story a lot better. Additionally it might also show that 621 as a Raven truely chooses his own path, rather than making one choice for someone in an ending and having no say or no ability to alter the consequences of that choice.
“She’s dead tourist. You have made a big mistake.”
Chatty founds emotion of anger.
The AI has learned to hate, and the first thing it has ever hated is *you*.
I don't know about you but I would be slightly panicking in my mech-seat.
he only hates because he first learned to love carla. and now she's gone :(
@@Brenhydra I think therefore I AM
it's like in Gundam 00 when graham explain how when you transcend love you get hatred and that can lead to war@@Jman0163
@@Diobrando-no1wycogito ergo sum
Literally the saddest fight. I never wanted to fight these two
and they freakin saved you 2 mission ago
Ayre's and Walter's fights were doubly so. At least with the latter you were giving him a good rest.
Somehow people call this the good ending, here I just think 621 gave in to the voices in his head lol.
@@minidee2194if Ayre was willing to turn on a dime so quickly to save her people, I had 0 doubts she would throw Raven under the bus too if needed (and she did eventually), that’s why I did the Fires of Raven ending first even if I liked Ayre
@@popeneiad7968 she sounds so manipulative in this route
I swear there’s a line where Carla says she never bothered to back up chatty’s ai cause it wouldn’t feel like him anymore
She says it after the Freud mission iirc
@@GreyCaliberI’ve only seen it come up once though, weirdly enough- I replayed the mission for combat logs and she didn’t say it
Its in the briefings afterwards iirc@@yobob591
@@yobob591You only get post-mission chats during the story, not if you do the mission through the Replay Mission option.
God, this game was fucking brutal. Literally all three paths are the "Jesse pointing gun" meme, just at different people.
nah Ayre is the single most consistently annoying character in the game, i loved killing her
It’s really a well written lose lose no matter what route you pick.
Either you kill Rusty and Ayre and commit genocide by destroying the planet or you kill Carla, chatty, and Walter. The people who pulled you out of the fire and stuck up for you. Or you watch allmind kill everyone
@@cookiezillaevanbut you gotta kill your buddy to get to her
@@cookiezillaevanbait used to be believable 🚬
Carla, before the fires of Ibis, was implied to always like making people smile and laugh. Even as we meet her she cracks minor jokes, tries to crack a smile. I think her trying to make chatty laugh was the ultimate challenge for her, and she liked it. It hurts even more with the fires of Raven route, watching as she breaks down on COMs upon chatty dying, but she tries to keep herself together to help 621. Either way Carla and Chatty get the shit end of the stick
@fencel4143 where tf you guys get all this lore from
They die in everysingle route bruh
@@ZAN23966 Smoughtown
@@ZAN23966Collectables
I personally don't think that Carla was a survivor of the fires of Ibis. She'd have to be over 50 years old to have been so. Assuming that we're following SmoughTown's theory of Carla being assistant number 2, then I would guess that she'd have to be in her seventies at least by the time of the game's events. Either way, listening to Carla in game, I simply don't see that voice belonging to someone that old. Further backing this up, there's a log that can be found on a wrecked MT in the mission to eliminate Honest Brute. In the snippet of the conversation we get, it is outright stated that Carla is too young to have been a 'Cinder'. I believe that Carla's nickname 'Cinder' was something she gave to herself, a little piece of foreshadowing of her goal at the game's end, to burn the coral.
After getting saved by Carla in the beginning of the mission 5 betraying her hits hard
I didn't even know chatty was a bot until I did the fires of raven ending with freud. "You're making this hard tourist, I can hear the chief laughing." dammit robot stop raining in my eyes!
I literally connected with him because I thought he was emotionally dispondent, like 621.
@@ghostreporting3769 lol same. I swear I keep getting emotionally connected to AIs for some reason.
Idk how they managed to make an AI so lifelike
Good voice acting + Well written dialogue
I think they meant in in-game lore
Meanwhile: starfield... smh
“The serious ones always die first, so let’s at least pretend we’re having fun.”
Laughing often happens in stressful or uncomfortable situations as much as joyful or funny ones so having the AI learn to laugh only on the brink of destruction is... tragic.
I was sad at first but then she started healing her health bar and my lust for battle kicked in
YES CARLA, DO NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THAT GOOD NIGHT
Freud is that you
Same with STEEL HAZE ORTUS. The sheer hype of that battle combined with his chad energy vaporized any tears forming in my eyes and used the energy produced from that to fuel my gamer senses
@@sdbzfan1 That's exactly what I was thinking lmfao. Spoken like a true battle psychopath.
Lust for battle? I call that a “Goku complex”… which i do have
@@sentientmustache8360 nice nice I’m gonna start calling it that
In my fight they died right next to each other, I felt terrible backstabbing these two.
No one "wins" at Armored Core 6. They just survive. :(
Even thats rare tbh, i mean by the end of each ending you've already practically wiped out the vespers, redguns and probably also the RLF as well as the PCA.
@@SnakeEater776 bro you right T_T
:( wai can't dis be liek ER? Where I just pick the waifu ed. All choices sux and are hard to make if u r in the position to.
@@SnakeEater776Rubicon III is nothing more than a big tomb.
Local Raven finds out that war never changes: more at 12
Carla's tone scared me when I first heard her in that battle.
"Times like this... I can't help but laugh!" - proceeds to avenge Chatty five seconds later.
"At least stay for dessert, tourist!" - during my second round when I decided to focus down Carla instead.
There's a powerful rage focused into "quips" that are menacing instead of silly. Chatty's deadpan anger is also formidable, but I didn't find it as scary because he's not as much of a physical threat as Carla.
“at times like this… I can’t help but laugh!” is the most anime line in the entire game
The "Guess... I can't do everything..." line was the main reason i ended up getting the "Fires of Raven" ending. Chatty says it in such a sad tone that it legit made me unable to follow through with the mission
Character AC6 wanted me to care about: Walter, Ayre, Rusty.
Character that I actually cared about: Carla, Chatty, Michigan.
Characters I hate: Iguana man, Ibis series, Snail, Grenade rifle MTs.
I miss everyone. There are no survivors.
“AT LEAST STAY FOR DESERT TOURIST!!” And “IS THAT ALL YOUVE GOT?! C’MON!!” God words cannot describe how much that pumped me up during the fight, I still occasionally replay the mission just to hear that line again, the delivery is so good!
The fact that Charity’s immediate response to Carla dying is to express a mechanical sense of vengeance mixed with his dialogue is shockingly badass
In Fire of Raven, you killed your friends (Rusty and Ayre).
In Liberator of Rubicon, you killed your mentors (Carla and Walter).
In Alea Iacta Est, you let Allmind kills everyone, and you may directly or indirectly responsible.
In Fire of Raven ending, it is clash of belief, we have to burn the Coral before it spread too wide and wipe humanity from the earth (or Arquebus managed to control them and created a world worse than cyberpunk). I feels sorry for Rusty and people of Rubicon, but Coral is something that they can't control and have to be burned
In Alea lacta Est ending, I'm just a pawn of ALLMIND, and I'm not saying no to a sexy lady voice
@@leesasuki All choices sux and hard to make if u r in that spot :(
Wai can't dis be liek er? Where I just pick waifu ed
@@lovisericachii4503 welp it is in the world of dark souls, there is no good choice, we can only choose the "better" choice we believe
Is rusty confirmed dead in the 3rd ending?
@@Kingofdragons117 sadly, yeap, or at least 99% confirmed. Dude is on the kill list, and seeing how strong ALLMIND become, it is only fitting that Rusty also fall to it. Plus I heard that one of the sound is actually Rusty (but could be others as they sharing VAs)
I wonder what carla and chattys relationship is. She must have been really attached with noone else around? Or maybe chatty is based on someone old that carla knew?
Chatty is Carla's "Jarvis"
@@GoldenChicken3960Yes but it’s not what op asked I think
What? Are you tellling me there's no one else work in the whole RaD besides her?
@definitelynotcharaznable7749 from the looks of it the rest are just drug addicts she uses as soldiers with other robots piloted by ai
Chatty's personality is actually the lack of personality itself. When Carla built Chatty, he always says nothing more than necessary, so he appears that he has a serious business persona. Most dosers isn't the best conversation partner and a lot of her underlings are probably afraid of her.
broke into tears when hearing Chatty's laugh...
the hardest part of this fight is seeing the screen through your tears
I love Chatty's end dialogue if you kill him last. Yes, it's cool that he laughs if you kill him first, but that end just hits so hard. ;-;
If they didn't want me to fight them they shouldn't have given this fight the coolest music in the game
This fight sucked on every level. Not because it was difficult but because I really liked Carla and Chatty. They're with you in the game the most other than maybe Walter. You make a really good connection with her only for her to have to die to get the good ending. Her scenes are superb and the emotion when she says "Parting gift from Walter!" when the Xylem rises is one of the best moments of the entire game.
it would feel better if you think that this is not the good ending
" Chief... She's dead, Tourist. _You have made a big mistake..._ "
God this fight was painful emotionally. In either approach, Chatty or Carla first. It just hurt
Thank you for these videos
I really hated that there was no other way around fighting Carla and Chatty. Like we couldn't convince her of the Life inside the coral? Maybe if DLC comes out or anything if you S rank everything and unlock another run, one that sees your allies (Rusty, Walter, Carla, Chatty,... and maybe G1 Michigan) live and face a completely different enemy all together
Honestly I wish there was some more allyship with the redguns, after finishing all three endings I still really enjoyed G1 and G6 dialogue. (Tbh G5 as well)
In each of the endings you have to betray someone - sit on the fence and you make no enemies. I think the Overseers knew about coral life (walter kinda knows Ayre is talking to you, as Carla mentions in this fight), but wanted to burn it anyway because of its horrible destructive potential
Iguazu enjoyer, pretty based. I have a soft spot for asshole underdogs that always get fucked over@@Dodexus
Happy ending in a fromsoft games? I wish T_T
@@Dodexus GUN 13 SOUND OFF!
This mission was one of the most painful in the game, both emotionally and physically
Carla & Chatty reminds me of Chief & Carol from ACV
I couldn’t for the life of me beat this fight without going for Carla first so I always wondered what she said when you beat Chatty first so this video was nice to see. Then I watch and damn I’m reminded that this game was made by Fromsoftware. There is no good ending for Carla and Chatty. Sure in fires of raven you fulfill her wish but she still dies and the other two are just tragic for her.
Wait Chatty laughs?!? I killed him before he could
The fight had so much rockets that my tv couldn't understand it anymore
Ty for doing this. Got Chatty to laugh my first go but couldnt get the clear without killing Carla first.
this and walter is the sole reason why i decided to burn the coral after everything i just want carla and walter to have closure
Don't worry I'm only betraying you because a voice in my head said to trust it
no joke, i was so depressed when i first get into this fight, that i gave up and let Chatty finish me.
I really did not mind killing these two. I'm not saying it felt good. But Ayre was my friend, as was Rusty.
Carla and Walter were handlers, and I've always had authority issues.
In the True Ending, there's no winning, unfortunately.
I feel like this game required an ending option that most games are afraid of putting in, which is to fuck everyone over, and follow exactly no path other than your own. You don't pick a side; you are on your side alone, and damn all others.
This likely leads to nothing good, but that's the point. To not follow, nor lead.
Play ACFA
Carla and Walter did way more for you than Arye
Ayre is genuinely the most useless piece shit in the entire game, she just wants you to do whatever for her and only helps you in the end, at least Carla saved you and Walter get jobs for you lol
I don't know if it was in this fight or somewhere else, but I think if you kill chatty before his lil' laugh he says "Im sorry, I never learned how to laugh"
Either way, god fuckin' dammit this fight. Why must FromSoft just crush my heart ;-;
I’m pretty sure he laughs when below a certain amount of health every time, and when Snail (i think it’s snail) kills him he says “I’m sorry, chief. I never did learn how to laugh”
Beyond heartbreaking fight.
I love for this fight thst you have to use your environment to beat them. Her missles are useless in the outer part kf the bottom section of the stage.
Carla joined RaD, a group founded to rebuild Rubicon, with the sole purpose of one day annihilating the whole planet and everyone on it. Chatty is an AI. Don't feel so bad, everyone is in everyone else's way.
dude.. that game sure is a tornado of emotions...
It was a hard decision for this fight honestly Carla saved you she helped you defeat the worm robot and helped to deal some serious blows to the PCA
Ultimately I chose this path because Ayre asked ask me to and because what she wasn't asking for something necessarily selfish she was asking to protect her people from genocide who wouldn't want to protect them
She helped you taking down Macy's left right and Center giving you tactical breakdowns analysis and the one time she asked you to do something it's to protect her family that I could get behind
I knew I made the right choice when I saw Rusty join me then I knew I chose the good ending
Dialouges for the 1v3 PCAs on chapter 3?
The other option aside from TUNNEL SABOTAGE
Good stuff btw
I'll look, but I think that alt was Coral Export and thats not a 1v3 and it didn't have much dialogue wise. Theres that 2 LCs and 1 HC mission, but it doesn't really have much, not even player death dialogue oddly enough.
@@GreyCaliber
It was the Prevent Corporate salvage of new tech mission.
At least we got more dialogues from the PCAs perspective even if it's little on each mission involving them
God DAMNIT, this is the only fromsoft game of recent where I DONT want to do another playthrough, one was hard enough when i had to fight my buddy 😞
This mission hurt so much but I have to do it
😭
I started this mission damaged and without repair kits because I killed Snail.
When I arrived to Carla I felt bad at the start, until she started to laught at me then I started to feel more neutral, but even after death she keeps insulting you and saying the more painfull words she could find, so I must say that after that this mission became "easier".
💥🔥 🕷️🔥💥🔫🤖 Bye Bye Carla
To be fair,we entirely deserve it.
We literally betray her after she saved our asses
@@GravitonLance Because she thinks it will be fun, just like when she is trying to kill you because you entered into her territory.
2:34 this line really make me think Ayre is just a stupid ahole, or actually super manipulative. Carla has been ranked very high in the arena and the fact that she made quite a lot of toys while still stay as one of the faction leader, proof that she is really strong. Yet Ayre, before she commence 621 to kill her and Chatty, didn't even think that they are... tough? Because either that, or she secretly look down on everyone and think that 621 could just stomp everyone easily
This mission left me a bitter taste in mouth... And i'm not talking about a bad sexual joke
I think my biggest criticism of this game in spite of how good it is and how much I enjoyed it, is that as both 621 and the player, we aren’t given enough autonomy. 95% of the time and especially in cases like this there’s no room for other choices. Choices like defeating Carla and Chatty without killing them. There’s no way to restrain them or choose a peaceful course with them over violence in order to follow ayres wishes.
I feel like this issue plagued every other part of the game. But it’s especially apparent in the endings. Whether you have to fight Carla, Chatty, Ayre or Walter. There is not enough autonomy. I personally feel like giving the player more autonomy like the ability to spare someone your fighting while defeating them would only do the game one better and would likely make its story a lot better. Additionally it might also show that 621 as a Raven truely chooses his own path, rather than making one choice for someone in an ending and having no say or no ability to alter the consequences of that choice.
If I'm in the right here why do I feel like such a piece of shit
nice video
Run
I didn’t want to fight chatty, but Carla I wanted to fight, I just don’t get to win
I was sad then ate 4 gorillion missles while chatty constantly ran from me. I hate this fight and I hate them now
I know you're meant to take them one by one. But is it possible to kill them both at the same time with assault armor?
Where do you get the floating drones from?
Ice worm NG+
@@GreyCaliber Thx
Is Chatty's English voice an actual person or is it software?
An actual person. I think he also voiced other characters in this game as well
The worst fight in the game. My AC is light as a feather but i still feel heavy.......
the missles barrage are what makes you feel like so (staggered all the time), try use the pillars next time or split them off
@@gatts6217 I don't think you understand what I meant 😂
@@gatts6217completely missed the point. Wooosh...
@@gatts6217 Dude, you're basically killing friends who have helped you out and actually like you. This was a great game but it was painful to finish.
g13 making everything worse
Cursed Callsign
I mean you're preventing genocide
@@LowIntSpecimen low iq take