Asalam Aleikum umma, **urgent** - I bring to your attention to watch this video and bring attention to the masses esp. in subcontinent, deceived by a dajjal in the ummah : view : **IMRAN HOSEIN: " UYGHURS ARE ZIONIST PROPAGANDA AND WARRIORS OF DAJJAL."** view : **Imran Hosein claims Prophet did NOT explain Qur'an & HE will explain from Knowledge & Insight** view : **The Creep Imran Hosein Rejects What Is Clear In The Qur’ān!** (regarding Jesus) view : **The Creepy Imran Hosein Supports Vladimir Putin In His Massacre of Syrian Muslims**
keep in mind imran n. hosein consistently supports pagans and lies on Muslims. He lied that Saudi rebelled on Turks who were divided by sufi bida when it was Jordan, sided w/ Russia over Turkey, claims to b anti Zl0Nist but aids pagan 12er iran's 79 cia revolt, led by khomeini who said there is a new Quran in end times with shi'a mehdi matching dajjal, iran the original jet bombers follow fayruz & took in exiled al queda, to be israelis ally who lost sinai to Sunnis, shi'a agents like chalabi lied on iraq and left arm for isil, he supported Assad who secretly worked with isil to oppose his ppl, he supports india and china against uighur Muslims... acts speak louder then taqiya words! view : **Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Rips Apart The Raafidhi MaJEWsi Iranian Foreign Minister**
@U . F . O only this interpretation makes sense! Cause according to hadith and quran Throne of allah above the 7 Heaven!according to Quran sun has orbit!it can't move from It's orbit! So connect both don’t be blind fool!!
@U . F . O Unidentified Failing Object, for it to be a reinterpretation, it would have to be interpreted contrarily by the first generation. That's not established.
I'm so happy for you explaining this issue that makes muslims leav islam and made me rethink islam and didn't sleep for research that because many x muslims and atheists say that it is a mistake in purana
@Sage have you gone for a book review? Ya you find the author explain something which is not in the book just like that allah explain some things to us which is not in the quran but that doesnt mean quran is not perfect your argument is flawed
@Sage hadith is like commentary on Qur'an. It helps us understand the meaning deeply and correctly. It's that simple. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will
Thank you bro. May Allah keep your iman strong and help you to continue to guide the Muslims. Every time there is a criticism like this of Islam it’s always people who don’t understand the nature, circumstance, and even the language (which are the laziest of the refutations 🙄), of what the Quranic text and Sunnah say. Thank you for the informative videos again!
I'm glad to see that you've explained it exactly the same way I explained it to someone in your previous video in the comment section, especially the part where the sun appears from its place of setting due to the motion of the earth and so on.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran: *{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
So you are saying that Muhammad was a idiot for saying that, he didn’t know, but what can he do, that’s how he saw it from that distance. You need to put word into your false prophets mouth
أيضا سمعت الشيخ زين خير الله من أيام قليلة يرد على هذه الشبهه فقال أن معنى السجود لغتًا هو الخضوع وقال أيضا أن جميع المخلوقات تحت العرش فمن الواضح أنها ستسجد تحت العرش
Prostate=WORSHIP=following Allah's law. 'Under' is our perception. Pagans of old believed the sun god died when it disappeared and doubted it will return(rebirth of sun/son). But Allah is letting us and pagans know when it disappears in places like northern Europe that its his law the sun is following.when it follows it is worshipping Allah and it is not dead but prostrating (lowest point for human and in this context the lowest point of sun,which is night from our perspective). Allah knows best
The leg of a human is different than the leg of a horse, it's just a common sense, so after using our brains we can come to the conclusion that the way the sun prostrate is different than humans. issue is solved just by being honest
This hadith suddenly came into my mind yesterday and I was pondering on what could this mean. The video coudn't come at a time better than this. Also your explanation is uniqe and rational.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran: *{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
The fact your comment may not get as many likes as others is the problem with some of our brothers and sisters. May Allah guide them to this understanding which you have. Ameen.
Tbh Farid because of you many people started refutation channel. Allah caused Apostates to turn into mere memes because of your humour. May Allah make you sincere and reward you
@@mohammad.alkurdi. the earth is like a spinning top So please forgive me for my previous.explanation didn’t make myself clear And Allah alone knows all and Allah alone knows best HasbunAllahu wa Ni’mal Wakeel
@@TheLittleMaestro2911 Great to hear you agree and see that he actually just guesses without any proof. I can come up with an explanation like that, and so can you.
All of the creation prostrates to Allah, how we don't know we know how we prostrate. We know for a fact that the Throne is above creation and Allah is above the Throne above all of the creation. There is literally 0 things wrong with it, Apuss the idiot after all also believe the Sun sets and rises , now does this mean the Sun literally sets and rises no, but from our perspective it does.
I see stones resting, doing nothing. Simultaneously they prostrate. That contradicts the law of excluded middle. Which implies any statement as true by ex falso quodlibet, even that allah doesn't exist.
@@fragileomniscience7647 You see trees as if they are doing nothing but they grew to that point and are with life. Even for example a stone, it's created from matter and even if you would see it under a microscope it's full of life be it with bacteria etc.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48: "Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble." So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
A few other things to note; This "permission to rise" cannot be related to what is perceived as sunrise. Because this "rising" happens from the same place where permission was asked. Trying to argue for the opposite implies that sunrise must happen from the same place as sunset, which is absurd. It says this "rising" occurs after prostration underneath the throne. It is rising from prostration, not rising from sunset. Among several views reported by ibn Kathir, is that prostration of the sun is at midnight. Even this medieval geocentric view does not connect the sun's prostration to sunset, which happens much earlier than midnight. Further, the hadith is unrelated to Dhul Qarnayn's story. It is a comment on verse 38 of sura yasin, which is a verse about the day of resurrection. It speaks of the sun "running", which fits the sun's movement across the galaxy, as noted in the video. The word denotes rapid movement contrary to the perceived motion of the sun during the day. The sun is "running", perpetually to its place of rest, its end point. During that perpetual course, it prostrates underneath the all encompassing divine throne. The hadith then describes apocalyptic events. It tells us what will happen when that time comes. When it reaches its decreed end, the sun will be in a state of prostration, but that prostration will be rejected. Neither will it be allowed to rise from prostration. Instead, it will be told to revert to where it came from prior to its prostration. That sudden change in course will make it appear to be rising from where it set.
I love the fact that you guys keep trying. You want 3+7 to be 11. It always comes 10 but you don’t give up. You keep trying in different ways. Sometimes with red pen, sometimes with blue pen. Sometimes you use calculator, sometimes you use abacus. Then you try with beads. Then you say if things you are counting are very very big, then the sum is 11. Then you say if you add at peak of Ramadan fast and if you are not hungry you will get 11. You are able to convince so many people that you feel encouraged. You just know it is 11. You know you were promised 72 hoors and you are going to make sure you get them. So much has been invested into getting them 72. So many evil Murtads and Kaafirs have been sent to hell in the belief that it is 11. So many madarssa jobs, so many hafiz’s careers are at stake. National identities are at stake. Economies are at stake. It surely is 11. It has to be. You will kill anyone who calls it 10. Yes you will. And you will speak louder and you will get more people to shout about it. Eventually the dissent will die of boredom. Or, due to jihaad. 50 years later, same cycle will repeat. 3+7 = 11
This went above and beyond. The fact that this narration is after kahaf shows neither prophet (saw) nor sahabis used the verse to explain the question of sun setting. The prophet (saw) didn't paraphrase the verse from kahaf nor quote it to answer it. Thus this Aya wasn't taken to mean Dulqarnayn saw the sun sitting in murky water ergo Quran says Sun sets on murky water, by the sahabas.
@@furqanshariff Surah kahaf is makki Surah it came as a response to questions by makkan pagans. The hadith is coming from when the prophet saw and others are sitting in the masjid of prophet IE masjid nabwi IE after hijrah so obviously kahaf precedes the hadith
Sajda of every makhloq ( creation) is unique to that creation. It's a stupidity to Compare the Sajda of Sun with the Sajda of muslims and make objections .
Assalamu alaykum farid, how should we approach the other Hadiths on the sun prostrating?, like im sure aware of the other Hadiths of it adding more things like the sun asking to rise
Wa alaykum alsalam. When the report is authentic it isn't necessary that every word is accurate. In my video I relied on the strongest wording of the report.
Those Christians who sarcastically wonder how the star, the trees and the sun can prostrate! And the answer is as the planets and the sun prostrated to Joseph in your Holy Book Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Genesis 37:9
@@twoangels3405 in the biblical story the prostrating stars were meant ti represent his brothers who would one day bow before him begging for food. Personally I see star, trees, and sun "prostrating" as a metaphor for being in complete submission to Allah SWT. Humans (edit - and Jinn) have free will and the choice to submit to or go against the will of Allah. Other animals, and inanimate objects do not have that choice and are hence always "prostrating” to Allah SWT. Thats how I see it but Allah knows best
That is what I've been saying. The Arabs are poets. they eat poems for living. of course they will speak like that. if you take that as literal and scientific, you will have a very hard time in your life. So desperate.. smh🤦♂️
just a piece of correction, in Surah Rehman, al najmu wal shajaru yasjudaan, here al najm doesn't mean star, it means a climber or creeper because it is paired with shajaru which means a tree or plant . correct me if iam wrong. jazaak Allah khairan
@@ziasmailbox 6) And the stars and trees prostrate.[1593] [1593]- They submit obediently to the laws of Allāh. See 22:18. An additional meaning of "najm" is vegetation of a kind without a trunk, stalk or stem. its in Saheeh international
@@ziasmailbox I don't know bro, its in the sahih international translation. Its the most authentic translation in Saudi Arabia Quran. We need to see Authentic Ahadees related to this topic.
As Selamu Aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. BarakAllahu fiek Akhi. Very good Video. But i will ad something. The Hadith is not only in Buhari, it is also in Muslim. And the interesting point this part: " لاَ يَسْتَنْكِرُ النَّاسُ مِنْهَا شَيْئًا " : It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one day said: Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) \>\>\> that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it)
@@ypatel1070 anyone who prostrates to other than Allah is extreme. People who are extreme can still comeback to the straight path. Anyone in jahanam is extreme quite simple.
The prostration of trees and Sun is how I always took to be as, Allah(swt) has set the balance of what is and everything on earth and within the universe runs its course by the strength and might of all mighty Allah. Therefore everything obeys Allah, this is worship and essentially submitting/prostrating
@@bengreen171 Hello Ben, hope all is well. It doesn't mean physically prostrate. Allah has set the balance to allow life to exist and they exist and evolve according to God's will. Al Bari is one of Gods attributes and it literally means the evolver. Anyhow, everything submits to Allah's will. Even you... because you cannot decide to not drink or eat or to not breathe. We all submit to the will of Allah by how he ordained life to be lived. You didn't choose your race, where you were born or your parents. You have little choice over anything. You fall for the desire of lusting for women, something innately built into you without your permission. We all submit to the will of God, only difference Muslims submit willingly.
@@shahid8545 I'm fine thanks - and you? We can decide not to eat or drink. People fo it all the time/. Usually only for short periods, but some peoiple have been known to go on hunger strike and some have even died doing it. Your notiong that the fact we don't choose our race has something to do with submission to god is unsupported. And my main point is that these 'fine' and grandoise words about prostration etc are meaningless. What does it mean to say hte trees prostrate themselves. How does this happen. You cannot give a cgent answer.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48: "Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble." So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah created human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything in the world is Muslim, that follows the path that is set by Allah:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxy .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers human with intellect and freedom, Allah wants human to see Allah's signs to believe and also to make human deduces laws, so human can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62]
I like how shamelessly xtians ignore their bible while mocking Islam Job 26:11 Holman Christian Standard Bible 11 The pillars that hold up the sky tremble, astounded at His rebuke.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48: "Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble." So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Imagine yourself at the place where prophet Muhammed (pbuh) used to dwell. Kabbah and around Kabbah. Arsh(Throne of Allah swt) is above 7th sky, above Kabbah. An each object in Universe belongs to some of those skies. Interesting is, if you have enough powerful equipment, you will register special waves above Kabbah(that exists nowhere else). Black stone also "registers" every move somebody makes there in praying or circling around Kabbah as a "proof". It functions as some perfect "robot" with special algorithm, programmed to do its purpose. Other interesting thing is that the powerful ayah Kursij had been written when Arsh was moved at this location( it was above yerusalem, after mirage or mi’raj when 5 daily prayers were prescribed) and it is written at that time and it is believed it is ever physically engraved and written on throne of Allah (swt). Kursiy means throne, "chair". It is believed that, that wisdom from that ayah is so powerful, that the one human who succeeds to meditate, to empower him/herself with secret wisdom from that ayah, will be able to win everything in life. It is believed that if somebody meditate that ayah honestly from center of heart and dies after that, only the death moment divides him/her from Paradise and forgiveness. (Excellent translation of this ayah doesn't exist on internet, it must be translated with root origins of each Arabic word in it and tafseer and hadiths about it) The prophet(pbuh) used to talk in figurative way, in order to explain things even to people that are not introduced in science as him( he was in direct contact with Gabriel, especially after Miraage, he knew things that no human will ever know. Same as Jesus(pbuh) knew how to heal blinds without any science, same way Muhammed (pbuh) knew this fact and knew to give milk from his fingers or give medical advises about nutrition that only now we are able to prove as excellent advises) When Sun rises above Kabbah(at noon) it is above home of Allah swt on earth( the throne of Allah swt-Arsh links from Kababh on the Earth(surface holy center of the Earth in Islam), reaches divine throne above seventh sky and has no limit above it) When sun shines other, opposite part of our planet Earth(when sun "comes, travells" at the opposite side of the Earth, the opposite side of Kabbah, the opposite side of Throne, of Arsh, underneath of Throne, when it "prostrates" itself there, that is one "daily cycle" in Islam. At those times, at those special timings, Allah swt orders angels to do special tasks and calculate daily deeds, reword, punish and temptate people(there are night and daily angels, they exchange). Special timings are linked with special times to pray, special moments when Allah swt accepts prayers, duas and etc.. This was interesting to me cos I investigate dreamology and it is all linked with dream time table and how do we dream and when things happen after we dream it. I'm writing a book about it, but it will not be finished soon. When u dream, something is prescribed( every time we dream it is believed our soul approaches to the level of throne and Allah swt prescribes something at that moment(long story for now, but Allah swt warned that He(better say IT-that perfect being that created us) likes more those who do more and sleep less and dream interpretation is 47th part of propethood of Muhammad sws, trying, doing and praying is better than sleeping...esallatu minel newm--this is sometimes prayed along with call for prayer in morning). It is not same when u dream at night, at day and on special dates, dream calendar matches that moon-sun calendar. The Sun and the Earth are special objects that have its own algorythm as we know program for some robot and our Creator knows how to controll it. It does what Allah swt commands to do and that is the way on which even something that is not alive (in our interpretation) still obeys and "prostrates" to its Creator. When Earth circles around Sun and we see it as "Sun rises and Sun travels and Sun comes underneth Kabbah(opposite side of Earth, opposite Kabbah" that is what propeht Muhammed was trying to say and he even explained it(every his speech was huge and expressive, but ppl didn't recorded it completely, we just have traces of part of his speech)on this explicite way, but somebody just recorded it as this sentence. Some ppl believ how that “opposite spot”- “underneath Throne” is somehow linked with bermuda triangles which are believed to be castles of devil. ( I don’t relay on this because I couldn’t find an exact match and what is the exact opposite place in the Ocean or..) "And takes the permission to rise again"---> why permission? Because one day will not have that permission, one day, humanity will see Sun rising from west and that day is Last Day. That is the day when the Earth will start circling in oposite direction around its osis. Inetersting that scientist already registered some planets around in some strange state as vibrating in one place and than started circling around its osis in opposite direction. We are hard to adopt different insight of what could be the top and what could be the bottom of the Universe. We have some impression that is linked with North and South pole, but it is just human interpretation. Science and belief are two different things. A science is not a belief. Allah swt mentions ppl whose belief will not be accepted after it is already obvious. That is about kind of test we have. A proof of Creator is in the fact that is impossible to prove Him(IT) scientifically. Why? Because there is always one question more and the last question would be “ How to be God Itself(Himself-that being has no genre)”. That must not happen. That knowledge is not secure in our hands, we mustn’t know it. If we would know it, we would all want to be Gods and that mustn’t happen for security of Universe. The God must be only One for our safety. Adam (pbuh) was closer to Allah swt, devil was close to Allah swt and that didn’t stop them to do wrong. “Seeing” Allah or sensing Him more directly as Adam, Eva, Devil… doesn’t help in doing less harm. At contrary, consequences for doing wrong are bigger, punish must be bigger in that case. It is all about ARROGANCE vs HUMILITY. That is the main thing, the main focus of any deed we make and criteria upon which Allah swt sees sincerity of your deed. The heart of pinch of arrogance will not enter the Paradise because that heart is a threat to abuse knowledge that Allah swt would give it to exist on most beautiful way. That heart would want to take His throne. That is why Surah Ikhlas is called sincerity, Allah swt admitted his sacrifice to humans( It doesn’t have progeny, we must be only servants, not slaves), to truth to the Universe. To make beings that will use His knowledge on His way with their FREE WILL, without abusing it and taking the throne. It is as somebody gives you the ring of Lord and u are not capable to hold it without causing damage around. It is believed that ring of prophet Solomon(pbuh) had LA ILLA ILLAH ALLAH written on it and that gave him powers and translation of it is something else that people don’t know. Bukhari hadith, Muslim hadith are mostly known for ppl that have never cought in lying. Tirmizy and other are to be checked, but hadeeth from 4 khaliphas, family of Muhammad are accurate( I mean same as those who lived at time of Jesus(pbuh) and after and saved his word, same way there are ppl that lived along with Muhammed(pbuh)). There are not so simple rules about sened(how to search and check if hadith is true and what is scale and criteria to be more true or less) of hadith and that is an another story.
[Disclaimer: this is my second and last comment thread on this video. Not trying to be a troll. Just wanted my first contestation to be a separate thread from this one 🙃]. My question to the claim that sun's having a setting place in a muddy pool is merely a result of perspective is: whose perspective? Dhool Karnain's, Muhammad's or Allah's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Islamic tradition not state that the Quran is the speech, indeed the eternal speech, of Allah? This is why Muslims claim that it contsins literary and scientific miracles - because it comes from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah and not a fallable human being. So then: is the claim that Dhool Karnain reached the setting place of the sun - a muddy pool near which a people lived - not the speech of Allah from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah? If so, how could Allah's perspective be so clearly and objectively wrong given the knowledge He is supposed to have? If your response here is that of Farid's in the video, I.e. that the passage is not meant to be taken literally, please see my other comment. Basically, I do not see how Abou Dhar's response that "Allah and His Apostle know best" is sufficient evidence that the resting / setting place of the sun according to this Surah is not meant to be taken literally.
I mean what kinda sufficient evidence do you need? This event occurred after the verse about the sun setting in a murky spring the campanions didnt say yeah it goes to a murky spring they said Allah and his apostle know best so they didn't take the verse as an answer about where the sun sets and didn't they didn't take it literally.
Yes, it's the speech of Allah, and Allah simply says that Dhul Qarnain found the sun setting in muddy water, in his perspective. I think you just made a big deal over nothing.
@@quarantinejet2312 no I have not made a big deal over nothing. Because you've just added "in his perspective" out of thin air. Where is that in the Quran? You can't add to historical text and then interpret it. Thats eisegesis as opposed to exegesis - a big no-no if you're attempting to conduct proper scholarship.
@@sinqobilemashalaba Yes, you did make a big deal over nothing, and I'll show it to you. Okay, "eyufsdggdryg as opposed to the exegeeniousblseffsd." Putting jargon aside, let's look at the facts. "Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Sahih International "Till, when *he reached* the setting-place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness." - Pickthall "Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." "Until when *he reached* the place where the sun set, *he found it* going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit." - Shakir "to the West where *he found the sun* setting into a warm source (spring) of water and a people living near by. *We asked him,* "Dhu 'l-Qarnayn, you may punish them or treat them with kindness?" - Muhammad Sarwar "Until, when *he reached* the setting place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." - Mohsin Khan Do you notice now? Who's "he"? It's Dhul Qarnain, the verse is specifically telling a story about his journey and points out that he himself saw the sun setting in a muddy spring, he saw it. The Quran did not affirm it as literal. I think I've answered your question, this conversation should end here.
@@quarantinejet2312 The jargon was to make a valid point. Even though you mocked the jargon, it seems you got the point which is all that matters to me 👍. While you may feel the conversation is over, I will proceed to making my counterpoint, regardless, to the benefit of the interested reader in this comment section :). So it seems there are two variables to consider at this point: 1) whose perspective this passage was written from? 2) whether it is supposed to be taken literally or figuratively On point 1, I maintain that this story is told from Allah's perspective in the same way stories about Abraham, Moses and Jesus in the Quran are spoken from Allah's perspective. Just because a story is about Dhool Karnain, it does not follow that the story is told from Dhooll Karnain. Certainly, there is only one author supposedly - Allah - who did not use other's perspectives to curate what He supposdly revealed to Muhammad. If you make the claim that Allah does speak through the perspective of others, it brings into question the eternity of the Quran (a rabbit hole no Muslim wants to go into) On point 2, I take the position that literature have to be taken literally *as an initial stance* and then textual evidence (i.e. the literary style, historical and cultural context, perspectives, etc) has to be presented to move the reader to a more figurative and metaphoric understanding of the text. Farid tried to use the Hadith where Abou Dhar says "Allah and His Apostle know best". I have explained above and in my above thread why this evidence is rather weak and can actually be used to support the opposing view to what you and Farid are positing.
Hm I got question that brother how we know this Hadith is after the quranic verse that zulqarnain say sun going down towards water is it because of the narrator when does narrator born that time narrator born this verse was already reveal or no am I right
is the sky a solid object tho? Were they to see a piece of the sky falling (on them), they would (only) say: ‘Clouds gathered in heaps’.” (at-Tur, 52:44) how do we interpret this
Thanks you Mujahid... Plz reply I want to tell you about part of sky....bcoz Quran say literally same thing .. If Quran saying part of sky.. Mean literally part of sky.. No other meaning...
The Christian missionaries and also the Athiests like to quote this Hadith to make fun and mock about it towards us Muslims. Actually they like to quote the version of the Hadith from Abu Dawud, that says that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. But according to the scholars the Hadith in Abu Dawud in his last sentence that talks about the sun sets in a spring of warm water is not authentic. And that's why we prefer and accept the version of the Hadith from Sahih al Bukhari above the one in Abu Dawud.
@@boriserjavec6470 When we look into a Hadith we examen the Isnad, and also the Matn. And the Hadith from Abu Dawud is according to some scholars strong in it's Isnad, but weak in it's Matn, Especialy the last sentence of the Hadith. Others scholars disagree about the Isnad that it is trustworthy and say that the version from Abu Dawud was narrated only by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah from Ibraahem, and al-Hakam, although he was trustworthy, he was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis. (he used vague wording to give a wrong impression). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Also Ibn Kathir is of the opinion that the Hadith that speaks about the sun setting in a pring of warm water is problamatic.
@@StevTheBevNaffNeffNor Then you tell us where you come from. And please don't say from apes and monkey's because that's ridiculous, unfounded and a atavistic belief.
@@alyunanie as an outside looking in, looks like yall jumped a shite ton of hoops just to get this specific chain as inauthentic. It's pretty cool honestly. Maybe one day I'll read up but until then I'll just be lurking in the shadows.
Assalamualaikum brother Brother can you make a video on that hadith which says allah has 2 right hands and allah will put his feet in hell Please can make a video on both of this hadith?
He won't do it, ask Mufti Abu Layth or even Daniel Pikachu, he like to go into the more, dare I say, complex and controversial aspects of the world of Islam.
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West". And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil". The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times". The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere. These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model. Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86 WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
The sweet "miracle" of reinterpretation. When others do it than they are defending bullshit. When you guys do it than it's just simply stating and explaining the truth lol Come on brothers, open your eyes and accept the truth.
Understanding Islamic Creeds provides a good understanding of the Quran and Hadith. Allah is all powerful that anything mentioned in the Quran regarding its willing has to be qualified with expressions indicate Allah omnipresence and almighty, nothing ever happens in the universe unless He wants so, Allah said: "And He has subjected for you [Human] the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His [Allah] command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason." [Quran 16:12] Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah creates each human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia Law, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything, non-human, in the world as a Muslim from this perspective, that follows the path that is set by Allah as he said:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxies .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers humans with intellect and freedom, Allah wants humans to put efforts to believe, not blindly, by seeing Allah's signs: "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" [Quran 41:53] . Allah gives the human the capability to observe and deduce laws, so humans can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62], "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Quran 2:30]
Akhi when you give explanations like this please give it accordingly to scholarly opinion. Cite your sources because you're not a scholar to be giving your own tafsir.
Farid in regards to the sun rising from the west there is another option. That is the magnetic poles switching. If the magnetic poles switch the sun would rise from the west.
Yes, we know things prostrate to Allah almighty, but we don’t know how they prostrate. This is a part of the unseen that we believe in after we have believed firmly in the source, which the Quran and the authentic hadiths. أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَسْجُدُ لَهُۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَٱلشَّمْسُ وَٱلْقَمَرُ وَٱلنُّجُومُ وَٱلْجِبَالُ وَٱلشَّجَرُ وَٱلدَّوَآبُّ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ ۖ وَكَثِيرٌ حَقَّ عَلَيْهِ ٱلْعَذَابُ ۗ وَمَن يُهِنِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُۥ مِن مُّكْرِمٍ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْعَلُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۩ (الحج - 18)
Brother Farid, it would have been great to include the same hadith narrated from Abu Dharr in As Sunan Abu Dawood (3991) which states the Sun setting in a spring of murky water. There are reasons why this narration is underwhelming compared to the one mentioned and the video should have addressed it before that special someone comes up with it.
That hadith is Weak or Hasan at best because 1- The chain contains al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah (infact he is the only narrator of this version) and here's what the scholars said about him : "although he was trustworthy - was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis [i.e., he used vague wording to give a wrong impression] in Dhikr al-Mudalliseen (no. 11). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. End quote from ath-Thiqaat (4/144). None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from - instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Ibn Hajar mentioned him in Maraatib al-Mudalliseen in the second rank of mudalliseen (p. 30), who are the ones whose tadlees the imams (leading scholars) tolerated and from whom they narrated reports that they regarded as sound, because of their prominence and because they rarely engaged in tadlees compared to others, such as ath-Thawri; or (it was tolerated) because they did not use engage in tadlees except when narrating from a trustworthy source, such as Ibn ‘Uyaynah. The fact that this report is contrary to the report narrated by the trustworthy narrators confirms the possibility that tadlees occurred in this hadeeth in particular. " 2- The version of the Throne is much more popular and narrated within the most trusted sources like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. 3- The story could not have happened twice so one of the two versions is true, so far the most authentic one was about the Throne.
@@FaridResponds Just curiosity, do you even believed what you are teaching or just a cultural/traditional belief you that you have to defend regardless how irrational it may sound, ie sun set in a murky water.
This video is pre recorded and got uploaded today because it took Apuss 3 years to make a response I already knew about this video as you explained this to me in the DM months ago 😁
If he didn't quote any so the answer is obvious... This is what you get when are blinded by the greek & devil's studies of astronomy which has nothing to do with the reality & how Allah described it. So here you have muslims rejecting the words of Allah to believe shaytan's...
@@bouterelfo9439 He is referencing Hadith. Also muslim also did astronomy in the past and studied our universe, for you to say we reject Allahs words and follow shaytan is you doing takfir on the whole ummah. Fear Allah Authobillah
It's very simple to know the nature of prostration. That's just the law of nature like fusion, fission and law of physics in general. Although that imply Sun is always asking for permission to prostate and that is consistent with law of nature always always existing.
When the night comes from here, and the day departs from here, and the sun has set, then the fasting person should break his fast.) This is the apparent meaning of the Ayah. Allah's saying: وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِى لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ (And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing) There are two views over the meaning of the phrase لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا (on its fixed course for a term (appointed). ) (The first view) is that it refers to its fixed course of location, which is beneath the Throne, beyond the earth in that direction. Wherever it goes, it is beneath the Throne, it and all of creation, because the Throne is the roof of creation and it is not a sphere as many astronomers claim. Rather it is a dome supported by legs or pillars, carried by the angels, and it is above the universe, above the heads of people. When the sun is at its zenith at noon, it is in its closest position to Throne, and when it runs in its fourth orbit at the opposite point to its zenith, at midnight, it is in its furthest position from the Throne. At that point it prostrates and asks for permission to rise. This what I found in ibn kathir(36:37-40) Is this view correct akhi?
The biggest problem I have with Islam is its about the sunna of a man, how could following the ways of a regular man bring you closer to God. Prophet Mohammad did man things and his behavior didn't set him apart from the men of that day. The Quran says many confusing things that don't make sense. I liked Farids response, though somewhat a partial response as he basically says, "this is not literal and we don't know what it means for these to prostrate", He does seem honest in that we don't know, but this reflects badly upon the confusing and often times incoherent Hadiths that have to explain a more confusing incoherent Quran. Depending on who you ask you will get difference answer. Islam in the West is very different than Islam is the Middle East.
The only one confused is you, as for the Quran there's nothing confusing about it. Blame the shortcomings of your deficient "intellect", that is more correct
@@PabloSensei no, but having nine wives, consummating marriage with a 9yr, killing someone for writing bad poems about you, have female sex slaves do not bring you closer to god. These are pleasures of men.
@@baselhakim2080 "Quran there's nothing confusing about it. " Then why does Farid havintg a difficult time explaining the prostrating of the sun. He basically says we can't take it literal and we really don't know what it means for the sun to prostrate, that we should listen to this hadith over that hadith because the Quran doesn't really say. If the Quran wasn't confusing this wouldn't be a topic.
@FaridResponds If u r someone that pray for 5 times a day,u should noticed why the times can be differ and not consistent all the time that it can backwards the time and this should be cannot define as the earth spinning in consistent movement. Facts that is known what happen if earth stop in 1 scnd can lead to heavy disaster likewise what occurred to bus having inertia when the driver pull a emergency stop and we could imagine how will happen if the earth reverse it motion? May brother farid or someone can advise how to explain and relate this to the hadith or is there option that can challenge all the hadith authenticity that mentioned about the sun went to.
One person in hadith asks where the sun goes at sunset. In the other hadith someone asks during sunset where the sun goes. Clearly this is in context of the belief that the sun goes away at night. So where does the sun go during sunset? Even in the historical context people believed the sun moves at night to create the night rather than earth's rotation so it only makes sense 1400 year old Islam restates that belief and doesn't mention earth's rotation since that was not known yet.
How do we interpret the "direction" of the throne according to the latter explanation? Does it mean the "real up" of the throne is in the direction where milky way is heading right now??
Allah knows best or in whatever way it suits Allah's majesty, as even what we consider up is subjevtive depending on which part of the planet your on and it may be that Allahs highness transcends our understanding of highness
In our solar system for instance, the gravitational bottom is the sun itself, towards which all matter is falling. Above the Sun, there are Mercury, Venus, then the Earth. Technically, Venus, Mercury and the Sun are below the Earth. Similarily, our entire solar system is revolving around a gravitational bottom within the milky way which is comprised of billions of stars and other planetary systems.
Bro ur making it harder and more complicated for yourself. The hadith doesnt even talk about the direction of the throne. The throne of All encompasses the heavens and earth ie. Universe
7:53 Hey Farid. This is dishonest man. Look one line above what you’re reading. “When the sun had set, the Prophet said, ‘O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?’” Don’t ignore the context as you always say.
The first one was telling you that the event was happening in the time of sunset and what you need to focus on here to understand the huge difference is the question of where does the sun set not at what time was this question been asked focus focus focus focus focus focus and take a book of logic ie argument to enhance your critical thinking ability
@@jonathandv-xn4ut The context matters. If the prophet is asking Abu Dharr about where THIS (sun) goes, he’s clearly pointing at the sun “leaving” from the view as it sets. That’s the context. The sun disappears from the sky and the prophet asks Abu Dharr if he knows where this sun goes. Imagine if he asked it in the middle of the day. You can’t see the sun’s orbit in the galaxy so why would the prophet ask that question if he meant that type of movement? The most simple answer is that he’s explaining where the sun goes after it sets. That’s why the time is mentioned. Occam’s Razor my friend. That’s logic.
@@lianabu7622 bruh This is literally what I was telling you The movement the prophet is referring to is from our point of view 🤦♂️ There is literally nothing problematic A perspectival phenomenological phrase
@@M7md-3la2 Please clarify your point. The Hadith says that the sun goes somewhere. It happened to be at sunset. Is he talking about the movement of our sun in the galaxy or is he talking about the sunset that is happening right at that moment? If he’s talking about the sun’s movement in the galaxy, we cannot see that as we are moving at the same speed as the sun in that particular orbit. In our perspective on Earth, the sun doesn’t move but we do (spinning on an axis). If you believe in that interpretation, please support it. Otherwise, there is more than enough reason to think that the prophet meant the sun setting rather than the sun’s orbit around the galaxy.
@@lianabu7622 you literally didn't get it I am talking about The sun setting from our perspective right? He is telling the guy beside him Where is that going? (Referring to the sun that is leaving from their perspective) Therefore going is talking about the sun going from the perspective below the horizon There is NOTHING problematic in that at all I am not talking about galaxies now
Great explanation. However one of your explanations regarding sun rising from the west was the earth may turn otherway. If the earth was to stop spinning suddenly it would literally destroy everything on earth.
i mean wouldn't the sun moving from its place amd going around the earth have some consequences? it is the end times after all and by the time the sun rises from the west multiple supernatural events already happened.
brother farid....doing great job...keep this doing...we need more like these...I am very much benefitted from your video...whenever I see any atheist/nonmuslim claim against islam, i remember there must be an explanation!!that's it. keep doing this..we expect more from u❤❤
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Inshallah I'll be making another video soon about how this has blown up in the face of a certain someone. Expect that soon. ;)
Asalam Aleikum umma, **urgent** - I bring to your attention to watch this video and bring attention to the masses esp. in subcontinent, deceived by a dajjal in the ummah :
view : **IMRAN HOSEIN: " UYGHURS ARE ZIONIST PROPAGANDA AND WARRIORS OF DAJJAL."**
view : **Imran Hosein claims Prophet did NOT explain Qur'an & HE will explain from Knowledge & Insight**
view : **The Creep Imran Hosein Rejects What Is Clear In The Qur’ān!**
(regarding Jesus)
view : **The Creepy Imran Hosein Supports Vladimir Putin In His Massacre of Syrian Muslims**
keep in mind imran n. hosein consistently supports pagans and lies on Muslims.
He lied that Saudi rebelled on Turks who were divided by sufi bida when it was Jordan, sided w/ Russia over Turkey, claims to b anti Zl0Nist but aids pagan 12er iran's 79 cia revolt, led by khomeini who said there is a new Quran in end times with shi'a mehdi matching dajjal, iran the original jet bombers follow fayruz & took in exiled al queda, to be israelis ally who lost sinai to Sunnis, shi'a agents like chalabi lied on iraq and left arm for isil, he supported Assad who secretly worked with isil to oppose his ppl, he supports india and china against uighur Muslims...
acts speak louder then taqiya words!
view : **Saudi Arabian Foreign Minister Rips Apart The Raafidhi MaJEWsi Iranian Foreign Minister**
@U . F . O morality is mythological if it's based on corrupted texts or societal opinion or guesses through emotions
@U . F . O
only this interpretation makes sense! Cause according to hadith and quran Throne of allah above the 7 Heaven!according to Quran sun has orbit!it can't move from It's orbit! So connect both don’t be blind fool!!
@U . F . O Unidentified Failing Object, for it to be a reinterpretation, it would have to be interpreted contrarily by the first generation. That's not established.
I'm so happy for you explaining this issue that makes muslims leav islam and made me rethink islam and didn't sleep for research that because many x muslims and atheists say that it is a mistake in purana
Stay strong, Khaled. =]
The fact that we know which hadith reviled after which verse of the quran reviled its something to ponder the level of detail preservation of islam
Absolutely
@Sage have you gone for a book review? Ya you find the author explain something which is not in the book just like that allah explain some things to us which is not in the quran but that doesnt mean quran is not perfect your argument is flawed
@Sage hadith is like commentary on Qur'an. It helps us understand the meaning deeply and correctly. It's that simple. If that doesn't convince you I don't know what will
@Sage you are a walking circular argument....
@@randallfe a commentary isnt a book review
Learned slot jasakallahu khayr Akhi
Ma Sha ALLAH great explanation ♥️
Thank you bro. May Allah keep your iman strong and help you to continue to guide the Muslims. Every time there is a criticism like this of Islam it’s always people who don’t understand the nature, circumstance, and even the language (which are the laziest of the refutations 🙄), of what the Quranic text and Sunnah say. Thank you for the informative videos again!
I'm glad to see that you've explained it exactly the same way I explained it to someone in your previous video in the comment section, especially the part where the sun appears from its place of setting due to the motion of the earth and so on.
Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran:
*{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
So you are saying that Muhammad was a idiot for saying that, he didn’t know, but what can he do, that’s how he saw it from that distance. You need to put word into your false prophets mouth
@@ayhemshaban9745 the second verse you quoted was 46, not 45
Jazakum Allah khairan
i've never seen a better yet simple description for this hadith as your video, may Allah exalted be him accept from you.
أيضا سمعت الشيخ زين خير الله من أيام قليلة يرد على هذه الشبهه فقال أن معنى السجود لغتًا هو الخضوع
وقال أيضا أن جميع المخلوقات تحت العرش فمن الواضح أنها ستسجد تحت العرش
الله يحمي الشيخ زين خير الله.
جزاك الله خيرا
Jazak Allah kheir
Prostate=WORSHIP=following Allah's law.
'Under' is our perception.
Pagans of old believed the sun god died when it disappeared and doubted it will return(rebirth of sun/son). But Allah is letting us and pagans know when it disappears in places like northern Europe that its his law the sun is following.when it follows it is worshipping Allah and it is not dead but prostrating (lowest point for human and in this context the lowest point of sun,which is night from our perspective). Allah knows best
The leg of a human is different than the leg of a horse, it's just a common sense, so after using our brains we can come to the conclusion that the way the sun prostrate is different than humans.
issue is solved just by being honest
جزاك الله خيرا
وعليكم السلام
Inshallah allah will give you the best reward for this informative video
Ustaadh this is one of the best explanation on this issue. May Allah swt reward you ;-)
jazakallahu khairan
It's utter rubbish and pure conjecture.
@@thecrow6388 no u r utter rubbish
@@thecrow6388 How so?
@@user-ul3jh2dh8j How not? It's obvious!
@@thecrow6388 So no answer? Clearly it is you then who is speaking rubbish, as you fail to substantiate such a very simple claim when asked.
This hadith suddenly came into my mind yesterday and I was pondering on what could this mean. The video coudn't come at a time better than this. Also your explanation is uniqe and rational.
It was allah that brought it into your mind and that decided for farid to put it today.
@@marwanshaibi4304 so true
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Verses 17:44-45 pretty much sums up all of this, Allah states in the quran:
*{The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing1 and Forgiving. ¤ We have cast veils over their hearts-leaving them unable to comprehend it-and deafness in their ears. And when you mention your Lord alone in the Quran, they turn their backs in aversion.}*
@@ayhemshaban9745Sadaqallah
Thanks a lot brother, I have learn alot
Mashallah may Allah bless u
If Rasoollah saw said that sun prostrates to Allah swt then it prostrates to Allah swt, we don’t know how just listen and obey
The fact your comment may not get as many likes as others is the problem with some of our brothers and sisters. May Allah guide them to this understanding which you have. Ameen.
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that. i agree
This is troubling -the suggestion that one should not to take the literal words of Allah literally.
I mean, isn't that how it's been this whole time?
Thank you brother
Brother Farid never failed to give proof❤️❤️❤️❤️ Mashallah brother you are astonishing❤❤❤❤️
Tbh Farid because of you many people started refutation channel.
Allah caused Apostates to turn into mere memes because of your humour.
May Allah make you sincere and reward you
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Apuss' wife : Honey let's go and see the sunset 🌇
Apuss : NoooOoOO , aRe yOu sTuPiD tHe sUN dOeSnT sEt rEEEEeeE 😠😠😠😠
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@@ilmal-quranwalsunnah1532 Nice 👍
What are you trying to say?
@@mohammad.alkurdi.
That the earth revolves around the sun
@@mohammad.alkurdi. the earth is like a spinning top
So please forgive me for my previous.explanation didn’t make myself clear
And Allah alone knows all and Allah alone knows best
HasbunAllahu wa Ni’mal Wakeel
The isnād and matn comparison at the end is excellent.
Farrid, May Allah reward you. Ameen
Ameen
Ameen
Great work once again
Mashallah... Such a great explanation!!
Mashallah. Such rubbish and conjecture.
@@thecrow6388 yehh...crow bro u're right...
@@TheLittleMaestro2911 Great to hear you agree and see that he actually just guesses without any proof. I can come up with an explanation like that, and so can you.
@@thecrow6388 since i aint no crow....i cant do that broo..
Thanks man
Brilliant, bro!
Very well explained. May Allah bless you for this
As-salamu Alaykum, i make Islamic calligraphies, i invite you to see them, Jazak Allahu Khayr
Ameen
Ameen
All of the creation prostrates to Allah, how we don't know we know how we prostrate.
We know for a fact that the Throne is above creation and Allah is above the Throne above all of the creation.
There is literally 0 things wrong with it, Apuss the idiot after all also believe the Sun sets and rises , now does this mean the Sun literally sets and rises no, but from our perspective it does.
I see stones resting, doing nothing.
Simultaneously they prostrate.
That contradicts the law of excluded middle.
Which implies any statement as true by ex falso quodlibet, even that allah doesn't exist.
@@fragileomniscience7647 You see trees as if they are doing nothing but they grew to that point and are with life. Even for example a stone, it's created from matter and even if you would see it under a microscope it's full of life be it with bacteria etc.
@SUN SHINE It's him.
@@fragileomniscience7647 You m0r0n, youre assuming Stone prostrating is physical.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48:
"Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble."
So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Thanks bro❤
MAY ALLAH REWARD YOU
A few other things to note;
This "permission to rise" cannot be related to what is perceived as sunrise. Because this "rising" happens from the same place where permission was asked. Trying to argue for the opposite implies that sunrise must happen from the same place as sunset, which is absurd. It says this "rising" occurs after prostration underneath the throne. It is rising from prostration, not rising from sunset. Among several views reported by ibn Kathir, is that prostration of the sun is at midnight. Even this medieval geocentric view does not connect the sun's prostration to sunset, which happens much earlier than midnight.
Further, the hadith is unrelated to Dhul Qarnayn's story. It is a comment on verse 38 of sura yasin, which is a verse about the day of resurrection. It speaks of the sun "running", which fits the sun's movement across the galaxy, as noted in the video. The word denotes rapid movement contrary to the perceived motion of the sun during the day. The sun is "running", perpetually to its place of rest, its end point. During that perpetual course, it prostrates underneath the all encompassing divine throne. The hadith then describes apocalyptic events. It tells us what will happen when that time comes. When it reaches its decreed end, the sun will be in a state of prostration, but that prostration will be rejected. Neither will it be allowed to rise from prostration. Instead, it will be told to revert to where it came from prior to its prostration. That sudden change in course will make it appear to be rising from where it set.
Divine throne?
You made a mistake, Arsh of Allah is magnificent but not part of Allah and doesnt share divinity with Allaha
@@unistavanjesquarediagonal2687 thanks
@@nadermusa4562 Then what is "The permission to rise" related to ahki ?
@@nadermusa4562 what are you saying?!
I love the fact that you guys keep trying. You want 3+7 to be 11. It always comes 10 but you don’t give up. You keep trying in different ways. Sometimes with red pen, sometimes with blue pen. Sometimes you use calculator, sometimes you use abacus. Then you try with beads. Then you say if things you are counting are very very big, then the sum is 11. Then you say if you add at peak of Ramadan fast and if you are not hungry you will get 11. You are able to convince so many people that you feel encouraged. You just know it is 11. You know you were promised 72 hoors and you are going to make sure you get them. So much has been invested into getting them 72. So many evil Murtads and Kaafirs have been sent to hell in the belief that it is 11. So many madarssa jobs, so many hafiz’s careers are at stake. National identities are at stake. Economies are at stake. It surely is 11. It has to be. You will kill anyone who calls it 10. Yes you will. And you will speak louder and you will get more people to shout about it. Eventually the dissent will die of boredom. Or, due to jihaad. 50 years later, same cycle will repeat. 3+7 = 11
This went above and beyond. The fact that this narration is after kahaf shows neither prophet (saw) nor sahabis used the verse to explain the question of sun setting. The prophet (saw) didn't paraphrase the verse from kahaf nor quote it to answer it. Thus this Aya wasn't taken to mean Dulqarnayn saw the sun sitting in murky water ergo Quran says Sun sets on murky water, by the sahabas.
pls, how did u deduce that its after kaahf?
@@furqanshariff Surah kahaf is makki Surah it came as a response to questions by makkan pagans. The hadith is coming from when the prophet saw and others are sitting in the masjid of prophet IE masjid nabwi IE after hijrah so obviously kahaf precedes the hadith
@@syedahmedshaheer117 oh thanks
Sajda of every makhloq ( creation) is unique to that creation.
It's a stupidity to Compare the Sajda of Sun with the Sajda of muslims and make objections .
This was the video I was talking about on 31st December 2021! Alhamdulillah it’s finally public.
As always Farid brilliant video May Allah reward and increase you’re ranks you help a lot of Muslims
Mind blowing explanation ❤️
Assalamu alaykum farid, how should we approach the other Hadiths on the sun prostrating?, like im sure aware of the other Hadiths of it adding more things like the sun asking to rise
Wa alaykum alsalam. When the report is authentic it isn't necessary that every word is accurate. In my video I relied on the strongest wording of the report.
@@FaridResponds is the wording about the sun asking to rise daif tho? If its not how do we understand
Jazakallahu Khair
Thank You for Explaining
That topic bothers me these past few months
nice explanation!! ✌️
Those Christians who sarcastically wonder how the star, the trees and the sun can prostrate!
And the answer is as the planets and the sun prostrated to Joseph in your Holy Book
Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.” Genesis 37:9
Yeah that was dream that even gets explained later on. Do you even understand the story and what that dream represented?
@@TetrahedronIX Yes I know
@@moniedder9946 I don't explain it to me.
@@twoangels3405 in the biblical story the prostrating stars were meant ti represent his brothers who would one day bow before him begging for food.
Personally I see star, trees, and sun "prostrating" as a metaphor for being in complete submission to Allah SWT. Humans (edit - and Jinn) have free will and the choice to submit to or go against the will of Allah. Other animals, and inanimate objects do not have that choice and are hence always "prostrating” to Allah SWT. Thats how I see it but Allah knows best
That is what I've been saying. The Arabs are poets. they eat poems for living. of course they will speak like that. if you take that as literal and scientific, you will have a very hard time in your life. So desperate.. smh🤦♂️
postration of sun, moon and trees cloud be interpreted as obeying Allah in regards to their duties.
just a piece of correction, in Surah Rehman, al najmu wal shajaru yasjudaan, here al najm doesn't mean star, it means a climber or creeper because it is paired with shajaru which means a tree or plant . correct me if iam wrong. jazaak Allah khairan
Who told you this??
@@ziasmailbox 6) And the stars and trees prostrate.[1593]
[1593]- They submit obediently to the laws of Allāh. See 22:18. An additional meaning of "najm" is vegetation of a kind without a trunk, stalk or stem.
its in Saheeh international
@@Abu-Hudhud Did rasulullah sallahualaihiwasallam said that it means vegetation in surah Rahman? ??
@@ziasmailbox I don't know bro, its in the sahih international translation. Its the most authentic translation in Saudi Arabia Quran. We need to see Authentic Ahadees related to this topic.
As Selamu Aleykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.
BarakAllahu fiek Akhi. Very good Video. But i will ad something. The Hadith is not only in Buhari, it is also in Muslim. And the interesting point this part: " لاَ يَسْتَنْكِرُ النَّاسُ مِنْهَا شَيْئًا " :
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Dharr that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) one day said:
Do you know where the sun goes? They replied: Allah and His Apostle know best. He (the Holy Prophet) observed: Verily it (the sun) glides till it reaches its resting place under the Throne. Then it falls prostrate and remains there until it is asked: Rise up and go to the place whence you came, and it goes back and continues emerging out from its rising place and then glides till it reaches its place of rest under the Throne and falls prostrate and remains in that state until it is asked: Rise up and return to the place whence you came, and it returns and emerges out from it rising place and the it glides (in such a normal way) \>\>\> that the people do not discern anything ( unusual in it)
Wow ❤
The Hindus took Apuss as their new god instead of their Surya dev(Sun God)
*correction
Hindu èxtrèmīsts
@@ypatel1070 Every single hindu is extreme anyone who prostrates to other than Allah is extreme.
@@ismailah4576 that's a hasty generalisation and that's how islamaphobes talk about Muslims.
Even the pagans of Makkah embraced Islam
@@ypatel1070 anyone who prostrates to other than Allah is extreme. People who are extreme can still comeback to the straight path.
Anyone in jahanam is extreme quite simple.
wa aleikom Assalaam wa rahmatuLlah wa barakatuH
صلوا على سيدنا محمد
The prostration of trees and Sun is how I always took to be as, Allah(swt) has set the balance of what is and everything on earth and within the universe runs its course by the strength and might of all mighty Allah. Therefore everything obeys Allah, this is worship and essentially submitting/prostrating
how do trees prostrate themselves?
@@bengreen171 Hello Ben, hope all is well. It doesn't mean physically prostrate. Allah has set the balance to allow life to exist and they exist and evolve according to God's will. Al Bari is one of Gods attributes and it literally means the evolver. Anyhow, everything submits to Allah's will. Even you... because you cannot decide to not drink or eat or to not breathe. We all submit to the will of Allah by how he ordained life to be lived. You didn't choose your race, where you were born or your parents. You have little choice over anything. You fall for the desire of lusting for women, something innately built into you without your permission. We all submit to the will of God, only difference Muslims submit willingly.
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I'm fine thanks - and you?
We can decide not to eat or drink. People fo it all the time/. Usually only for short periods, but some peoiple have been known to go on hunger strike and some have even died doing it.
Your notiong that the fact we don't choose our race has something to do with submission to god is unsupported.
And my main point is that these 'fine' and grandoise words about prostration etc are meaningless. What does it mean to say hte trees prostrate themselves. How does this happen. You cannot give a cgent answer.
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48:
"Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble."
So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah created human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything in the world is Muslim, that follows the path that is set by Allah:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxy .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us. Since Allah empowers human with intellect and freedom, Allah wants human to see Allah's signs to believe and also to make human deduces laws, so human can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62]
I like how shamelessly xtians ignore their bible while mocking Islam
Job 26:11
Holman Christian Standard Bible
11 The pillars that hold up the sky tremble,
astounded at His rebuke.
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 Al hamdulillah fine bro what about you
@@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543 ahlul kitab don't follow us bro they follow Roman paganism
Akhi. Could the prostration of the sun and trees etc be another word for worship? Saying that the sun prostrate actually means the sun worships?
Prostrate/submits it’s will to Allah so yea you’re right islamicly
As-salamu Alaykum, i make Islamic calligraphies, i invite you to see them, Jazak Allahu Khayr
@@thefightingprophet. I see. What is the word for prostrate and also submission in Arabic? Thanks
The Quran actually mentions how things prostrate through their shadows when their shadows stretch out and bow down on the floor. This occurs twice a day when shadows are the longest in the early morning and late afternoon/early evening when the sun is low in the sky. SubhanAllahil Azeem! This is actually mentioned in Surah Nahl verse 48:
"Have they not considered what things Allāh has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allāh, while they [i.e., those creations] are humble."
So mountains and trees prostrate twice a day when their shadows stretch out on the floor in the early morning and early evening (Asr). Another interesting fact is that the 2 most important Salahs are Fajr and Asr and that Musa AS ummah had only 2 salahs 2 pray; Fajr & Asar.
Imagine yourself at the place where prophet Muhammed (pbuh) used to dwell. Kabbah and around Kabbah. Arsh(Throne of Allah swt) is above 7th sky, above Kabbah. An each object in Universe belongs to some of those skies. Interesting is, if you have enough powerful equipment, you will register special waves above Kabbah(that exists nowhere else). Black stone also "registers" every move somebody makes there in praying or circling around Kabbah as a "proof". It functions as some perfect "robot" with special algorithm, programmed to do its purpose. Other interesting thing is that the powerful ayah Kursij had been written when Arsh was moved at this location( it was above yerusalem, after mirage or mi’raj when 5 daily prayers were prescribed) and it is written at that time and it is believed it is ever physically engraved and written on throne of Allah (swt). Kursiy means throne, "chair". It is believed that, that wisdom from that ayah is so powerful, that the one human who succeeds to meditate, to empower him/herself with secret wisdom from that ayah, will be able to win everything in life. It is believed that if somebody meditate that ayah honestly from center of heart and dies after that, only the death moment divides him/her from Paradise and forgiveness. (Excellent translation of this ayah doesn't exist on internet, it must be translated with root origins of each Arabic word in it and tafseer and hadiths about it)
The prophet(pbuh) used to talk in figurative way, in order to explain things even to people that are not introduced in science as him( he was in direct contact with Gabriel, especially after Miraage, he knew things that no human will ever know. Same as Jesus(pbuh) knew how to heal blinds without any science, same way Muhammed (pbuh) knew this fact and knew to give milk from his fingers or give medical advises about nutrition that only now we are able to prove as excellent advises)
When Sun rises above Kabbah(at noon) it is above home of Allah swt on earth( the throne of Allah swt-Arsh links from Kababh on the Earth(surface holy center of the Earth in Islam), reaches divine throne above seventh sky and has no limit above it)
When sun shines other, opposite part of our planet Earth(when sun "comes, travells" at the opposite side of the Earth, the opposite side of Kabbah, the opposite side of Throne, of Arsh, underneath of Throne, when it "prostrates" itself there, that is one "daily cycle" in Islam. At those times, at those special timings, Allah swt orders angels to do special tasks and calculate daily deeds, reword, punish and temptate people(there are night and daily angels, they exchange). Special timings are linked with special times to pray, special moments when Allah swt accepts prayers, duas and etc.. This was interesting to me cos I investigate dreamology and it is all linked with dream time table and how do we dream and when things happen after we dream it. I'm writing a book about it, but it will not be finished soon. When u dream, something is prescribed( every time we dream it is believed our soul approaches to the level of throne and Allah swt prescribes something at that moment(long story for now, but Allah swt warned that He(better say IT-that perfect being that created us) likes more those who do more and sleep less and dream interpretation is 47th part of propethood of Muhammad sws, trying, doing and praying is better than sleeping...esallatu minel newm--this is sometimes prayed along with call for prayer in morning). It is not same when u dream at night, at day and on special dates, dream calendar matches that moon-sun calendar.
The Sun and the Earth are special objects that have its own algorythm as we know program for some robot and our Creator knows how to controll it. It does what Allah swt commands to do and that is the way on which even something that is not alive (in our interpretation) still obeys and "prostrates" to its Creator. When Earth circles around Sun and we see it as "Sun rises and Sun travels and Sun comes underneth Kabbah(opposite side of Earth, opposite Kabbah" that is what propeht Muhammed was trying to say and he even explained it(every his speech was huge and expressive, but ppl didn't recorded it completely, we just have traces of part of his speech)on this explicite way, but somebody just recorded it as this sentence. Some ppl believ how that “opposite spot”- “underneath Throne” is somehow linked with bermuda triangles which are believed to be castles of devil. ( I don’t relay on this because I couldn’t find an exact match and what is the exact opposite place in the Ocean or..)
"And takes the permission to rise again"---> why permission? Because one day will not have that permission, one day, humanity will see Sun rising from west and that day is Last Day. That is the day when the Earth will start circling in oposite direction around its osis. Inetersting that scientist already registered some planets around in some strange state as vibrating in one place and than started circling around its osis in opposite direction.
We are hard to adopt different insight of what could be the top and what could be the bottom of the Universe. We have some impression that is linked with North and South pole, but it is just human interpretation. Science and belief are two different things. A science is not a belief. Allah swt mentions ppl whose belief will not be accepted after it is already obvious. That is about kind of test we have. A proof of Creator is in the fact that is impossible to prove Him(IT) scientifically. Why? Because there is always one question more and the last question would be “ How to be God Itself(Himself-that being has no genre)”. That must not happen. That knowledge is not secure in our hands, we mustn’t know it. If we would know it, we would all want to be Gods and that mustn’t happen for security of Universe. The God must be only One for our safety. Adam (pbuh) was closer to Allah swt, devil was close to Allah swt and that didn’t stop them to do wrong. “Seeing” Allah or sensing Him more directly as Adam, Eva, Devil… doesn’t help in doing less harm. At contrary, consequences for doing wrong are bigger, punish must be bigger in that case. It is all about ARROGANCE vs HUMILITY. That is the main thing, the main focus of any deed we make and criteria upon which Allah swt sees sincerity of your deed. The heart of pinch of arrogance will not enter the Paradise because that heart is a threat to abuse knowledge that Allah swt would give it to exist on most beautiful way. That heart would want to take His throne. That is why Surah Ikhlas is called sincerity, Allah swt admitted his sacrifice to humans( It doesn’t have progeny, we must be only servants, not slaves), to truth to the Universe. To make beings that will use His knowledge on His way with their FREE WILL, without abusing it and taking the throne. It is as somebody gives you the ring of Lord and u are not capable to hold it without causing damage around. It is believed that ring of prophet Solomon(pbuh) had LA ILLA ILLAH ALLAH written on it and that gave him powers and translation of it is something else that people don’t know.
Bukhari hadith, Muslim hadith are mostly known for ppl that have never cought in lying. Tirmizy and other are to be checked, but hadeeth from 4 khaliphas, family of Muhammad are accurate( I mean same as those who lived at time of Jesus(pbuh) and after and saved his word, same way there are ppl that lived along with Muhammed(pbuh)). There are not so simple rules about sened(how to search and check if hadith is true and what is scale and criteria to be more true or less) of hadith and that is an another story.
[Disclaimer: this is my second and last comment thread on this video. Not trying to be a troll. Just wanted my first contestation to be a separate thread from this one 🙃].
My question to the claim that sun's having a setting place in a muddy pool is merely a result of perspective is: whose perspective? Dhool Karnain's, Muhammad's or Allah's? Correct me if I'm wrong, but does Islamic tradition not state that the Quran is the speech, indeed the eternal speech, of Allah? This is why Muslims claim that it contsins literary and scientific miracles - because it comes from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah and not a fallable human being. So then: is the claim that Dhool Karnain reached the setting place of the sun - a muddy pool near which a people lived - not the speech of Allah from the perspective of the all-knowing Allah? If so, how could Allah's perspective be so clearly and objectively wrong given the knowledge He is supposed to have?
If your response here is that of Farid's in the video, I.e. that the passage is not meant to be taken literally, please see my other comment. Basically, I do not see how Abou Dhar's response that "Allah and His Apostle know best" is sufficient evidence that the resting / setting place of the sun according to this Surah is not meant to be taken literally.
I mean what kinda sufficient evidence do you need? This event occurred after the verse about the sun setting in a murky spring the campanions didnt say yeah it goes to a murky spring they said Allah and his apostle know best so they didn't take the verse as an answer about where the sun sets and didn't they didn't take it literally.
Yes, it's the speech of Allah, and Allah simply says that Dhul Qarnain found the sun setting in muddy water, in his perspective.
I think you just made a big deal over nothing.
@@quarantinejet2312 no I have not made a big deal over nothing. Because you've just added "in his perspective" out of thin air. Where is that in the Quran? You can't add to historical text and then interpret it. Thats eisegesis as opposed to exegesis - a big no-no if you're attempting to conduct proper scholarship.
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Yes, you did make a big deal over nothing, and I'll show it to you.
Okay, "eyufsdggdryg as opposed to the exegeeniousblseffsd." Putting jargon aside, let's look at the facts.
"Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people. Allah said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."
- Sahih International
"Till, when *he reached* the setting-place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness." - Pickthall
"Until, when *he reached* the setting of the sun, *he found it* set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
"Until when *he reached* the place where the sun set, *he found it* going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit." - Shakir
"to the West where *he found the sun* setting into a warm source (spring) of water and a people living near by. *We asked him,* "Dhu 'l-Qarnayn, you may punish them or treat them with kindness?" - Muhammad Sarwar
"Until, when *he reached* the setting place of the sun, *he found it* setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness." - Mohsin Khan
Do you notice now? Who's "he"? It's Dhul Qarnain, the verse is specifically telling a story about his journey and points out that he himself saw the sun setting in a muddy spring, he saw it. The Quran did not affirm it as literal.
I think I've answered your question, this conversation should end here.
@@quarantinejet2312 The jargon was to make a valid point. Even though you mocked the jargon, it seems you got the point which is all that matters to me 👍. While you may feel the conversation is over, I will proceed to making my counterpoint, regardless, to the benefit of the interested reader in this comment section :).
So it seems there are two variables to consider at this point:
1) whose perspective this passage was written from?
2) whether it is supposed to be taken literally or figuratively
On point 1, I maintain that this story is told from Allah's perspective in the same way stories about Abraham, Moses and Jesus in the Quran are spoken from Allah's perspective. Just because a story is about Dhool Karnain, it does not follow that the story is told from Dhooll Karnain. Certainly, there is only one author supposedly - Allah - who did not use other's perspectives to curate what He supposdly revealed to Muhammad. If you make the claim that Allah does speak through the perspective of others, it brings into question the eternity of the Quran (a rabbit hole no Muslim wants to go into)
On point 2, I take the position that literature have to be taken literally *as an initial stance* and then textual evidence (i.e. the literary style, historical and cultural context, perspectives, etc) has to be presented to move the reader to a more figurative and metaphoric understanding of the text. Farid tried to use the Hadith where Abou Dhar says "Allah and His Apostle know best". I have explained above and in my above thread why this evidence is rather weak and can actually be used to support the opposing view to what you and Farid are positing.
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Hm I got question that brother how we know this Hadith is after the quranic verse that zulqarnain say sun going down towards water is it because of the narrator when does narrator born that time narrator born this verse was already reveal or no am I right
We can know the time of revelation of verses of Quran and hadiths
it is because surah alkahaf was revealed in mecca and this hadith was said in medina so it is after the verse of zulqarnain
Thanks
@@danishhussain9558 you are welcome
Of all the arguments this is the best apus can get?
Apus - " I can't understand this Hadith so Islam is wrong" .
this video was there before, it must be the work of imam murrah the time traveler..
I learned that Imam Murrah is a Christian.
is the sky a solid object tho? Were they to see a piece of the sky falling (on them), they would (only) say: ‘Clouds gathered in heaps’.” (at-Tur, 52:44) how do we interpret this
Thanks you Mujahid... Plz reply I want to tell you about part of sky....bcoz Quran say literally same thing .. If Quran saying part of sky.. Mean literally part of sky.. No other meaning...
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The Christian missionaries and also the Athiests like to quote this Hadith to make fun and mock about it towards us Muslims. Actually they like to quote the version of the Hadith from Abu Dawud, that says that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. But according to the scholars the Hadith in Abu Dawud in his last sentence that talks about the sun sets in a spring of warm water is not authentic. And that's why we prefer and accept the version of the Hadith from Sahih al Bukhari above the one in Abu Dawud.
Yes but did you check if the chain of narration is strong or weak?
@@boriserjavec6470 When we look into a Hadith we examen the Isnad, and also the Matn. And the Hadith from Abu Dawud is according to some scholars strong in it's Isnad, but weak in it's Matn, Especialy the last sentence of the Hadith. Others scholars disagree about the Isnad that it is trustworthy and say that the version from Abu Dawud was narrated only by al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah from Ibraahem, and al-Hakam, although he was trustworthy, he was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis. (he used vague wording to give a wrong impression). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Also Ibn Kathir is of the opinion that the Hadith that speaks about the sun setting in a pring of warm water is problamatic.
Nah. Atheists don't focus on just one belief. We like to laugh at all your ridiculous, unfounded, atavistic beliefs.
@@StevTheBevNaffNeffNor Then you tell us where you come from. And please don't say from apes and monkey's because that's ridiculous, unfounded and a atavistic belief.
@@alyunanie as an outside looking in, looks like yall jumped a shite ton of hoops just to get this specific chain as inauthentic. It's pretty cool honestly. Maybe one day I'll read up but until then I'll just be lurking in the shadows.
May Allah bless you brother Farid💓
Assalamualaikum brother
Brother can you make a video on that hadith which says allah has 2 right hands and allah will put his feet in hell
Please can make a video on both of this hadith?
He won't do it, ask Mufti Abu Layth or even Daniel Pikachu, he like to go into the more, dare I say, complex and controversial aspects of the world of Islam.
Abu layth has made kufr statements, no one cares about him
Was this video planned a while ago🤔
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West".
And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil".
The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times".
The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere.
These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model.
Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86
WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
bro. why didn't you read surah 18:85 first? because it undermine your presupposition?
He already explained the wording of the sun setting in minute 7:10
The sweet "miracle" of reinterpretation.
When others do it than they are defending bullshit. When you guys do it than it's just simply stating and explaining the truth lol
Come on brothers, open your eyes and accept the truth.
@@longlivelogic8128 says the guy who can't even find the concept of trinity in his bible.
Alhamdullilah 🌞
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Understanding Islamic Creeds provides a good understanding of the Quran and Hadith. Allah is all powerful that anything mentioned in the Quran regarding its willing has to be qualified with expressions indicate Allah omnipresence and almighty, nothing ever happens in the universe unless He wants so, Allah said: "And He has subjected for you [Human] the night and day and the sun and moon, and the stars are subjected by His [Allah] command. Indeed in that are signs for a people who reason." [Quran 16:12]
Humans need revelations from Allah to be guided because Allah creates each human with faculties of intellect and freedom, everything else is submitted to Allah by its natural inclination like the Sun and alike. Allah guidance to humans is Islam part of it implementing Sharia Law, in Arabic means the righteous path. Islam literal meaning is Submission [to God]" and considers everything, non-human, in the world as a Muslim from this perspective, that follows the path that is set by Allah as he said:"The seven heavens and the earth and whatever is in them exalt Him. And there is not a thing except that it exalts [Allah] by His praise, but you do not understand their [way of] exalting. Indeed, He is ever Forbearing and Forgiving." [Quran 17:44] Everything like trees, oceans, earth, galaxies .. etc follows the causality principle because Allah is fair and just in making this world understandable to us.
Since Allah empowers humans with intellect and freedom, Allah wants humans to put efforts to believe, not blindly, by seeing Allah's signs: "We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?" [Quran 41:53] . Allah gives the human the capability to observe and deduce laws, so humans can exploit it to fulfill his role in Earth as the Quran said: "Is He [not best] who responds to the desperate one when he calls upon Him and removes evil and makes you inheritors of the earth? Is there a deity with Allah? Little do you remember." [Quran 6:62], "And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" Allah said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know." [Quran 2:30]
Akhi when you give explanations like this please give it accordingly to scholarly opinion. Cite your sources because you're not a scholar to be giving your own tafsir.
@@thefightingprophet. nope that's not what I'm talking about
For this video award of the Mental gymnastic in 2022 goes to Farid Responds.
Mental gymnastics
In other words
"I am too stupid to understand and use my brain"
@@M7md-3la2 he did a triple Summersault into a muddy pool
Farid in regards to the sun rising from the west there is another option. That is the magnetic poles switching. If the magnetic poles switch the sun would rise from the west.
Yes, we know things prostrate to Allah almighty, but we don’t know how they prostrate. This is a part of the unseen that we believe in after we have believed firmly in the source, which the Quran and the authentic hadiths.
أَلَمْ تَرَ أَنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَسْجُدُ لَهُۥ مَن فِى ٱلسَّمَٰوَٰتِ وَمَن فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَٱلشَّمْسُ وَٱلْقَمَرُ وَٱلنُّجُومُ وَٱلْجِبَالُ وَٱلشَّجَرُ وَٱلدَّوَآبُّ وَكَثِيرٌ مِّنَ ٱلنَّاسِ ۖ وَكَثِيرٌ حَقَّ عَلَيْهِ ٱلْعَذَابُ ۗ وَمَن يُهِنِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُۥ مِن مُّكْرِمٍ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْعَلُ مَا يَشَآءُ ۩ (الحج - 18)
Brother Farid, it would have been great to include the same hadith narrated from Abu Dharr in As Sunan Abu Dawood (3991) which states the Sun setting in a spring of murky water. There are reasons why this narration is underwhelming compared to the one mentioned and the video should have addressed it before that special someone comes up with it.
He already admitted that it is a weak hadith after I corrected him on it.
That hadith is Weak or Hasan at best because
1- The chain contains al-Hakam ibn ‘Utaybah (infact he is the only narrator of this version) and here's what the scholars said about him :
"although he was trustworthy - was described by an-Nasaa’i as mudallis [i.e., he used vague wording to give a wrong impression] in Dhikr al-Mudalliseen (no. 11). Ibn Hibbaan said: He used to engage in tadlees. End quote from ath-Thiqaat (4/144). None of those who narrated his hadeeth said that he clearly stated that he heard it from the previous narrator; rather they all said that his report included the word ‘an (from - instead of ‘I heard’, etc). Ibn Hajar mentioned him in Maraatib al-Mudalliseen in the second rank of mudalliseen (p. 30), who are the ones whose tadlees the imams (leading scholars) tolerated and from whom they narrated reports that they regarded as sound, because of their prominence and because they rarely engaged in tadlees compared to others, such as ath-Thawri; or (it was tolerated) because they did not use engage in tadlees except when narrating from a trustworthy source, such as Ibn ‘Uyaynah. The fact that this report is contrary to the report narrated by the trustworthy narrators confirms the possibility that tadlees occurred in this hadeeth in particular. "
2- The version of the Throne is much more popular and narrated within the most trusted sources like Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.
3- The story could not have happened twice so one of the two versions is true, so far the most authentic one was about the Throne.
@@FaridResponds Just curiosity, do you even believed what you are teaching or just a cultural/traditional belief you that you have to defend regardless how irrational it may sound, ie sun set in a murky water.
@@defendthefaith2415 what's more irrational is the fact that you brought a topic that has long been refuted and is actually hilarious to refute.
@@mainulhaq7603 How has been refuted?
No one observe that sun goes anywhere ever
Also yusuf said he saw sun,moon and stars prostrating to him. It has to be some kind of metaphor.
و عليك السلام ورحمة الله وبركاته
This video is pre recorded and got uploaded today because it took Apuss 3 years to make a response
I already knew about this video as you explained this to me in the DM months ago 😁
Do any classical scholars agree with this view?
If he didn't quote any so the answer is obvious...
This is what you get when are blinded by the greek & devil's studies of astronomy which has nothing to do with the reality & how Allah described it. So here you have muslims rejecting the words of Allah to believe shaytan's...
@@bouterelfo9439 so throne of Allah under Earth?? You fool!!
@@bouterelfo9439 He is referencing Hadith. Also muslim also did astronomy in the past and studied our universe, for you to say we reject Allahs words and follow shaytan is you doing takfir on the whole ummah. Fear Allah Authobillah
@@asif8224 Akhi can you use capital A for Allah to show respect since it is his name
@@kaymenm2175 Ok
It's very simple to know the nature of prostration. That's just the law of nature like fusion, fission and law of physics in general. Although that imply Sun is always asking for permission to prostate and that is consistent with law of nature always always existing.
Akhi where can I buy tafseer ibn jurayj, I cant find it online???
Where do you live ?
@@dragonofchaos7843 Belgium
When the night comes from here, and the day departs from here, and the sun has set, then the fasting person should break his fast.) This is the apparent meaning of the Ayah. Allah's saying:
وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِى لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ
(And the sun runs on its fixed course for a term (appointed). That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing) There are two views over the meaning of the phrase
لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَّهَـا
(on its fixed course for a term (appointed). ) (The first view) is that it refers to its fixed course of location, which is beneath the Throne, beyond the earth in that direction. Wherever it goes, it is beneath the Throne, it and all of creation, because the Throne is the roof of creation and it is not a sphere as many astronomers claim. Rather it is a dome supported by legs or pillars, carried by the angels, and it is above the universe, above the heads of people. When the sun is at its zenith at noon, it is in its closest position to Throne, and when it runs in its fourth orbit at the opposite point to its zenith, at midnight, it is in its furthest position from the Throne. At that point it prostrates and asks for permission to rise.
This what I found in ibn kathir(36:37-40)
Is this view correct akhi?
The biggest problem I have with Islam is its about the sunna of a man, how could following the ways of a regular man bring you closer to God. Prophet Mohammad did man things and his behavior didn't set him apart from the men of that day. The Quran says many confusing things that don't make sense. I liked Farids response, though somewhat a partial response as he basically says, "this is not literal and we don't know what it means for these to prostrate", He does seem honest in that we don't know, but this reflects badly upon the confusing and often times incoherent Hadiths that have to explain a more confusing incoherent Quran. Depending on who you ask you will get difference answer. Islam in the West is very different than Islam is the Middle East.
Because it brings us closer to our fitra, would partying or praying make you more spiritual?
If you think he was a "regular man" go study the seerah bro, don't make assumptions
The only one confused is you, as for the Quran there's nothing confusing about it.
Blame the shortcomings of your deficient "intellect", that is more correct
@@PabloSensei no, but having nine wives, consummating marriage with a 9yr, killing someone for writing bad poems about you, have female sex slaves do not bring you closer to god. These are pleasures of men.
@@baselhakim2080 "Quran there's nothing confusing about it. " Then why does Farid havintg a difficult time explaining the prostrating of the sun. He basically says we can't take it literal and we really don't know what it means for the sun to prostrate, that we should listen to this hadith over that hadith because the Quran doesn't really say. If the Quran wasn't confusing this wouldn't be a topic.
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Mashallah
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There's no conflict. Because Prophet Muhammad SAW use "phenological language" instead of mechanistic/module language use by scientists.
@FaridResponds If u r someone that pray for 5 times a day,u should noticed why the times can be differ and not consistent all the time that it can backwards the time and this should be cannot define as the earth spinning in consistent movement. Facts that is known what happen if earth stop in 1 scnd can lead to heavy disaster likewise what occurred to bus having inertia when the driver pull a emergency stop and we could imagine how will happen if the earth reverse it motion? May brother farid or someone can advise how to explain and relate this to the hadith or is there option that can challenge all the hadith authenticity that mentioned about the sun went to.
Good video
One person in hadith asks where the sun goes at sunset. In the other hadith someone asks during sunset where the sun goes. Clearly this is in context of the belief that the sun goes away at night. So where does the sun go during sunset?
Even in the historical context people believed the sun moves at night to create the night rather than earth's rotation so it only makes sense 1400 year old Islam restates that belief and doesn't mention earth's rotation since that was not known yet.
But the Quran is perfect and eternal how could the Quran not know?
@@TetrahedronIX "the sun 'goes'" isn't entirely wrong, movements are relative
@@luthfimuhammad3068 In context of the sun goes away at night as the text clearly indicates.
How do we interpret the "direction" of the throne according to the latter explanation?
Does it mean the "real up" of the throne is in the direction where milky way is heading right now??
Allah knows best or in whatever way it suits Allah's majesty, as even what we consider up is subjevtive depending on which part of the planet your on and it may be that Allahs highness transcends our understanding of highness
no, it means the same as what Ibrahīm meant "I am going to my Lord"
Throne is above the heavens and the earth
In our solar system for instance, the gravitational bottom is the sun itself, towards which all matter is falling. Above the Sun, there are Mercury, Venus, then the Earth. Technically, Venus, Mercury and the Sun are below the Earth. Similarily, our entire solar system is revolving around a gravitational bottom within the milky way which is comprised of billions of stars and other planetary systems.
Bro ur making it harder and more complicated for yourself. The hadith doesnt even talk about the direction of the throne. The throne of All encompasses the heavens and earth ie. Universe
Guys can anybody help me i have some questions
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Murky water could be referring to water under the throne of Allah?
7:53 Hey Farid. This is dishonest man. Look one line above what you’re reading.
“When the sun had set, the Prophet said, ‘O Abu Dharr! Do you know where this (sun) goes?’”
Don’t ignore the context as you always say.
The first one was telling you that the event was happening in the time of sunset and what you need to focus on here to understand the huge difference is the question of where does the sun set not at what time was this question been asked focus focus focus focus focus focus and take a book of logic ie argument to enhance your critical thinking ability
@@jonathandv-xn4ut The context matters. If the prophet is asking Abu Dharr about where THIS (sun) goes, he’s clearly pointing at the sun “leaving” from the view as it sets. That’s the context. The sun disappears from the sky and the prophet asks Abu Dharr if he knows where this sun goes. Imagine if he asked it in the middle of the day. You can’t see the sun’s orbit in the galaxy so why would the prophet ask that question if he meant that type of movement? The most simple answer is that he’s explaining where the sun goes after it sets. That’s why the time is mentioned. Occam’s Razor my friend. That’s logic.
@@lianabu7622 bruh
This is literally what I was telling you
The movement the prophet is referring to is from our point of view 🤦♂️
There is literally nothing problematic
A perspectival phenomenological phrase
@@M7md-3la2 Please clarify your point. The Hadith says that the sun goes somewhere. It happened to be at sunset. Is he talking about the movement of our sun in the galaxy or is he talking about the sunset that is happening right at that moment? If he’s talking about the sun’s movement in the galaxy, we cannot see that as we are moving at the same speed as the sun in that particular orbit. In our perspective on Earth, the sun doesn’t move but we do (spinning on an axis). If you believe in that interpretation, please support it. Otherwise, there is more than enough reason to think that the prophet meant the sun setting rather than the sun’s orbit around the galaxy.
@@lianabu7622 you literally didn't get it
I am talking about
The sun setting from our perspective right?
He is telling the guy beside him
Where is that going? (Referring to the sun that is leaving from their perspective)
Therefore going is talking about the sun going from the perspective below the horizon
There is NOTHING problematic in that at all
I am not talking about galaxies now
Great explanation. However one of your explanations regarding sun rising from the west was the earth may turn otherway. If the earth was to stop spinning suddenly it would literally destroy everything on earth.
i mean wouldn't the sun moving from its place amd going around the earth have some consequences? it is the end times after all and by the time the sun rises from the west multiple supernatural events already happened.
The hadith is talking about end times
Mate read about how the magnetic field of the earth flips every .........years
The word praised to the sun is usually from Christian themselves, there meme pictures where a man wearing crusader armour said praised the sun
brother farid....doing great job...keep this doing...we need more like these...I am very much benefitted from your video...whenever I see any atheist/nonmuslim claim against islam, i remember there must be an explanation!!that's it. keep doing this..we expect more from u❤❤
Farid deflects
Just what the hell are you talking about? You people are absolutely hopeless.