See you in 2 years (like the other 85-% of converts) when you wake up to yourself and stop being such a gullible ignoramus. He is the reason people leave Islam. Don’t believe me- check out speakers corner vids from btb etc. No hate, just use your brain. Only if you care about real salvation. Or stay a Muslim. No difference to me
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
@mokshkikhoj Indian do you know arabic? If you dont, then what is the point? Words mean different things in different contexts at particular periods of time. For that one has to understand classical arabic of the time of the Prophet. Prophet s.a also has given narrations on the meanings of sentences which has been recorded by the sahabah and mufassirun. If one choses to interpret meanings of Quran differently then thats upto them. But Allah has made everything that clear and easy to understand in the Quran, which one is supposed to know. It is only the magnificence of the Quran that there are verses in the Quran that has mutli layered meanings and understandings that can be understood by people in different generations differently and yet be precise.
This is not complex at all, for example when you're at the beach and it is sunset, you don't say the sun sets into the sea now do you? Its just from our pov.
@@StopSpammingOriginal So you're saying that people 1000 years ago observed a baby evolving in the womb or that the Mediterranean sea and the Atlantic ocean don't mix. Those are also written in the quran. How did they observe that since you know so much.
@@StopSpammingOriginal Imagine a giant fireball in the sky, that they knew provided heat, sinking into the 'murky water' without a single splash, or smoke, or plumes of water vapor lmao.. Also, it's a SPRING, a murky SPRING. Use your actual God given IQ. You really think they were neanderthals to think this huge sun in the sky falls into a mere spring without any visible reaction? When fire hits water reactions happen man lol. Cmon... And what need is there for the Sun to enter a 'murky spring' ? Why doesn't the moon enter it? Why just the sun lmao. It's so painfully obvious, when I say 'I traveled so far into China I reached a sea where I saw the sun setting in.' Nobody on Earth would tell us now, or then, that the Sun is taking a bath in MUDDY/MURKY WATER lmao. A 'burning lamp' does not take bathes lmfao.
Quran 18:90, just four verses after 18:86: "Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield." Now, does that also mean that the Quran says that the sun rises on top of some people's head?
Yes, of course. It's talking of the specific place that you can find where the sun goes down, and goes up. Makes perfect sense when you read the hadiths that talk of the resting place of the sun, it prostrating under the throne of Allah and it getting permission to rise.
@cool dude but being true? Oh okay how would you explain many many many things in Quran that are proven by Science Frontal Lobe Internal Waves In The Ocean Pain Receptors Formation Of Clouds Iron Within Meteorites Embryology Oceanic Division mentions The Big Crunch Theory The Big Bang Theory And many more
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
@@celestialsatheist1535you have a little problem the mufassirin themselves said not everything they mentions is true and some a Hadith they mentions are not authentic
I love the energy and passion. Mohammad Hijab you are the very reason why I look forward to watching UA-cam videos. May Allah continue to increase you in wisdom and shower his blessings upon you and all your family and friends.
No early Muslim said that this was what appeared to Dhul-Qarnayn, but there are plenty who clearly say this is a literal setting place of the sun. Here is what companion Ibn Abbas said to his student Sayd b. Jubayr on the verse: حمأة سوداء تغرب فيها الشمس. Black mud that the sun sets in. Here is what he said to student Salih: تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ سَوْدَاءَ it sets in a black spring Here is what he said to his student Atta فإذا غربت جرت بالليل في فلكها تحت الأرض حتى تطلع من مشرقها When it sets it runs during the night in its course beneath the earth until it rises from its rising place. Here is the tafsir of Abu Aliyah Al-Basri (d.93): بلغني أن الشمس تغرب في عين، تقذفها العين إلى المشرق. I was informed that the sun is in a spring; the spring casts it to the east Here is Kab Al-Ahbar (72bh-36): إنها تغرب في حمأة طينة سوداء. It sets into black mud. There are also many references to being able to hear the sun setting in the spring. For instance here's Suhail b. Abi Salih (d.140): لولا لغط أهل الرومية سمع الناس وجبة الشمس حين تقع had it not for the noise of the Romans, people would have heard the sun when it fell down. And Sayd b. Al-Musayyib (15-94): لولا أصوات الصنافر لسمع وجبة الشمس حين تقع عند غروبها. had it not for the sounds of the horns, he would have heard the sun falling when it’s set. And Ibn Jurayj (80-150): مدينة لها اثنا عشر ألف باب، لولا أصوات أهلها، لسمع الناس وجوب الشمس حين تجب. A town with ten thousand gates, had it not been for the voices of its people, people would have heard the sound of the sun when it came. Here also is Imam Al-Tabari (d.310) who clearly endorses a literalistic view: والصواب من القول في ذلك عندي أن يقال: إنهما قراءتان مستفيضتان في قراءة الأمصار، ولكل واحدة منهما وجه صحيح ومعنى مفهوم، وكلا وجهيه غير مفسد أحدهما صاحبه، وذلك أنه جائز أن تكون الشمس تغرب في عين حارّة ذات حمأة وطين، فيكون القارئ في عين حامية بصفتها التي هي لها، وهي الحرارة، ويكون القارئ في عين حمئة واصفها بصفتها التي هي بها وهي أنها ذات حمأة وطين. وقد رُوي بكلا صيغتيها اللتين إنهما من صفتيها أخبار. And in my mind the correct opinion is to say that they are both popular readings in the land, and each one has a correctness about it and an understandable meaning, and neither contradicts the other, for it is possible that the sun sets in a hot spring that has mud and sludge, so a reader who uses “warm spring” is describing its temperature, and the reader who uses “muddy spring” is describing that it has mud and sludge. Both versions have been narrated to us.
@zucchini7913 The statements Sayd and Atta are, Abu Salihs is considered not so much however it is interesting how consistent it is to the statement of Sayd. Its possible that Ibn Abbas taught this to both of them at the same time (both were prominent tafsir scholars in Kufa) but they or/and their students remembered the wording slightly differently but kept the meaning intact
Quran 18:77 also uses the words "Fawajada" and then says "a wall that WANTED to fall down". Clearly this is metaphorical so why do non Muslims accept this as metaphorical but not the sun one which is only a few pages later
Because early scholars like Al Tabari write about him and ibn abbas believing the sun setting in a murky spring. Also if you read this in historical context it makes sense people believed the sun goes somewhere at night since that was commonly believed since heliocentrism was not commonly accepted yet.
@@bustinjieber2673 No, they don't. At-Tabari is a collection of all sorts of reports. Weak and strong. Also, watch the new video by Farid. Why would the Sahabi say to the prophet "God and his messenger know best" (i.e he didn't know) when asked about where the Sun goes? They wouldn't say that if they took the verses literally. He would have replied with "the murky spring"
@@bustinjieber2673 Ibn Abbas literally just quoted the verse. There's no authentic narration about him saying that it literally sets in a murky spring. If you want to claim that, bring your proof
@@MrSuperman957 This comes from Al Tabari's book: the History of Prophets and Kings page 235/236: Quoting ibn Abbas. For the sun and the moon, He created easts and wests (positions to rise and set) on the two sides of the earth and the two rims of heaven, 80 springs in the west of black clay- this is (meant by) God's word: "He found it setting in a muddy spring,"442 meaning by "muddy (hami'ah)" black clay-and 180 springs in the east likewise of black clay, bubbling and boiling like a pot when it boils furiously. He continued. Every day and night, [651 the sun has a new place where it rises and a new place where it sets.
I seriously can't believe this is an actual criticism LOL that some non Muslims bring. Even if you read a translation of the verse, a nine year old can understand by context that Dhul Qarnayn saw the sun appearing to set in water that fits that description (and near the caspian sea/Caucasian region till today we can find water that literally looks murky and dark so if someone went there, it would literally look like the sun is setting in murky water). Similarly if I say the sun sets in the English language, it doesn't mean it literally descends and whatever.
@Great Khan You definitely did not read what I said LOL As I said, a 5 year old who listens to the story/narrative understands it to clearly mean he came to a place where the sun appeared to set in that description and not that it literally does. Good brain you have.
@Great Khan Bla bla bla, The hadith about the setting of the sun, all muhadithin agree it is the addition of the rawi (narrator) because it was narrated in several different turuk and he was the only one who added that. So the vast majority of the narrators of hadith believe it is not authentically ascribed, even if the chain is authentic. Please don't embarrass yourself. It's funny how you clownlessly use these are proofs yet you will claim miracles that are undisputed and authentically narrated not only by chain, but by lack of contradiction in narration, in countless turuk are somehow not authentic. As I said, even a kid will read the story and understand that Dhul Qarnayn clearly came to a location where the sun appears to set that way, which is the case with the black sea, etc.
@Great Khan So... "hadith are weak historical records" when they have countless narrations narrated at a level of mutawatir 😂😂😂 but when it comes to what you are trying to use against Islam (not a proof for you anyway, I already refuted you by saying every other rawi didn't narrate that addition) it's suddenly acceptable and a proof to ascribe. LOL
I never even knew this was a contention until I heard that anti-Islam individuals were raising the issue. Whenever you hear someone saying "we watched the Sun setting in the ocean, it was really beautiful" Would you attempt to correct them in or would you just use common sense?
These are not allegations, but the truth: How do Muslims sleep at night with all this deceit & lies in their mouths. The context of these verses suggest a traveler tracing the path of the setting sun and describes where he sees the sun set. This is not a metaphor, this travelers is convinced the sun sets in a murky/muddy springs, even says he found people close by this location. Notice the word that is used in verse 86, "near it", yes near where the sun set, this is a physical location description of the event, does this seriously suggest it is a metaphor? No, so why must Muslims persistently lie & try and deceive anyone into believing this verse is nothing but figuratively saying the "sun sets in murky/muddy water"....it is not, period. it's here in black & white, what are you guys really denying? [Surah 18:84-86] 84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends. 85. One way he followed, 86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
It's not foolish, but true: How do Muslims sleep at night with all this deceit & lies in their mouths. The context of these verses suggest a traveler tracing the path of the setting sun and describes where he sees the sun set. This is not a metaphor, this travelers is convinced the sun sets in a murky/muddy springs, even says he found people close by this location. Notice the word that is used in verse 86, "near it", yes near where the sun set, this is a description of a physical location, how is this seriously suggest it is a metaphor? So why must Muslims persistently lie & try and deceive anyone into believing this verse is figuratively saying the "sun sets in murky/muddy water"....it is not, period. it's here in black & white, what are you guys really denying? [Surah 18:84-86] 84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends. 85. One way he followed, 86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
@@markscheepers9908 Lol I sleep well I believe in one God, with no images, and pray like the prophets. Can you say the same thing? What is your religion?
@@monoth4555 witch GOD IS ONE FOR YOU. THE ONE WITH 99 ATRIBUTS THAT ARE SEPERATED FROM HIM. AND HIS WORD IS ALSO SEPERATED AND BECOMES A PALE MAN. AND HE SHARES CREATOR POWER WITH JESUS AND THE SPIRIT. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
An American friend of mine read the Quran for the first time and it never occurred to her that it was LITERALLY setting into water, and didn’t pay any mind to that verse until I brought it up. Anti-Islamists are yoga masters, cause they’re always stretching and reaching.
How would christians interpret this passage if it would be in the bible? Hold up, we find something like this in the bible. Joshua 1:4 “From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, >and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun,< shall be your coast.”
Well it clearly says that the that word means something we observe with the 5 sense so it is from ones prespective according to the arabic dictionary . btw we u read 4 verses after this it says "until he reached the rising ˹point˺ of the sun. He found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no shelter from it." So what r non muslims gon say that quran implies that sun rises on top of peoples head 😂like what man people dont use their brains these days. May allah guide us all.
@@allahlesboslu2_9 Your pathetic, dedicating your account and life and free time behind your keyboard at night trying to insult Islam. You better try harder because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and you cant do anything to stop it 😉
The thing with the Hadith is that it’s not a weak Hadith or has weak chain of narration the Hadith is actually sahih but it’s not an accurate attribution towards the prophet Mohammed Saw this same Hadith was mentioned by three other people who also had quite similar chain of narration but didn’t mention Sun setting in murky water…. And the one who said the Sun sets in murky water is considered as weak narrator in comparison so we don’t consider the Hadith of Sun setting in murky water
1. You quoted the tafsirs by scholars but you didn't explain what proofs they bring forward to claim the word that this verse shouldn't be taken literally. Yes, they didn't even provide the verses from Quran, Hadith, Qoul Sahabah etc. 2. Imam Tabari, an earlier Imam than ibnu Kathir accepted that the sun did set in a murky water/ boiling water. (Because he has no bias at all, at that time he wouldn't know what other recent scholars knew that it is impossible for a sun to set in spring) 3. Tafsir was meant to show what Muhammad thought about a situation. Therefore, it must be translated into a context using evidences explaining the verse itself. The most acceptable ones is tafsir bilma'thur which use verses in Quran itself, hadiths, qoulu sohabah, etc. 4. If Allah knows what is perceived by Iskandar was wrong, why did He put it in there anyway? Without even care explaining about it.
@@StopSpammingOriginal bro you're going through all the comments, even the latest ones. This comment just said "this is brilliant" and you replied. Just stop wasting your time
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
do you know how metaphors work? do you really know the difference between simple things? whats real and whats fake? but anyway the verse you talking abt is 18:93 ig, it translates to "until he reached BETWEEN two mountains. He found in FRONT of them (the mountains) a people who could hardly understand (his) language" spelled it out for you bro
Every single serious earlier scholar of Islam understood this verse literally . Verse itself , combined with Hadith, is clear as sky and it demonstrably teaches geocentricism . This is nothing but engaging ridiculously comical mental gymnastics in order to hide from the truth . Well , choice is yours :)))
Al-Kahf Verse 90: “until he reached the rising ˹point˺ of the sun. He found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no shelter from it.” Can you help me understand what Allah means by “for whom we had provided no shelter from it”? - If the narrator here didn’t mean the Sun was dangerously close to the people who lived near the ‘rising’ point of the Sun, what exactly did Allah not provide them shelter from?
the schorching heat, it doesnt really matter but since youre asking they prolly had no clothes or homes to protect themselves. keep reading tho, it gets good
But what about this biggest mistake in the Quran i.e., geocentrism?? This verse clearly mentions that "he saw..." So it's obviously describing from the human's perspective. But the verses that I am going quote now doesn't mention anything like that and it's clearly talking about the reality and not from human's point of view. Here we go: 1) "It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." (36:40) Sun not *overtaking* the moon? Are they in a race with each other or what? This clearly depicts the ancient geocentric model that sun and moon are in an orbit around the earth and they are in race with each other but they never overtake each other. 2) Have you not considered your Lord - how He extends the shadow, and if He willed, He could have made it stationary? Then We made the sun for it an indication.(25:45) This time, Quran is attributing the sun with the movement of shadow. It is saying if Allah wanted, he could have made stationary shadows but used the sun to make them change sizes. If this is the case, what possible link could Movement of shadows have with the sun otherwise? And here are the Fatwas of great islamic scholars like uthaymeen, Ibn baz etc stating that according to Quran and Hadith, sun actually revolves around the earth and earth is stationary. www.aqidah.com/creed/assets/docs/ibn-uthaymin-day-night-seasons.pdf www.aqidah.com/creed/assets/docs/bini-baz-takfir-sun-earth.pdf www.aqidah.com/creed/assets/docs/ubayd-jabiri-earth-sun.pdf
@Fernandez Gustavo watch that earlier video carefully before advising others. He said that he will address this geocentrism in Quran in another separate video but it didn't happen yet. In that video He just focused on the hadith not the Quran.
@@yousef_afc9363 Ibn baz retracted his view of flat earth. Not geocentrism in Quran. Else give me the proof if did so. And why are you ignoring uthaymeen, Saleh Al fawzan, muqbil etc.? They all issued their fatwas that Quran supports geocentrism.
Lmaoo! Geocentrism's problem is not that the sun revolves around the earth because that isn't a problem whatsoever. Geocentrism is an inaccurate name, probably due to the history of how the name came to be. The problem with the so-called geocentric model is claiming planets revolve around the earth in circular orbits not that the sun revolves around the earth. The thing that people don't note that all motion is relative, you can't say "x is moving" without saying relative to what is it moving. If you chose the sun as the frame of reference, then the earth would be revolving around the sun, the planets would be revolving around the sun, but the moon would be revolving still around the earth [in circles]. While if you chose the earth as the frame of reference, then the sun would be revolving around the earth, the moon would be revolving around the earth, but the planets would be revolving around the sun. Think of it as if you were levitating over the earth and looked around you at the solar system, you'd see the earth being the frame of reference scenario, while if you were levitating over the sun, you'd see the sun being the frame of reference scenario. This isn't some "physics thing;" this is simply a fact. You can't say something is moving and something isn't without saying relative to what(in everyday life, we assume the frame of reference is a point on earth's surface). So really even if the Quran explicitly says the sun revolves around the earth, that is just as accurate as saying the earth revolves around the sun. This argument is just as dumb as the argument in the video! Bring on more childish arguments!
"Do you not see that Allah causes the night to enter the day and causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term, and that Allah, with whatever you do, is Acquainted?" (QS. Luqman 31: Verse 29) This specific Quran verses makes it very clear that the Quran supports geocentrism. The verse says ( do you not see) that ( Allah has subjected the sun running in it's orbit or a specific term) meaning what ever the sun's orbit is it is something that can be seen other translations says ( do you not not consider) implying that the orbit of the sun is something that was acknowledged at the time But the galactic orbit can't be seen nor was it known at that time. the only orbit that the sun seemingly makes is the orbit from East to west This is the only orbit of the sun that can be seen by the people are was acknowledged as an orbit at the time. And in the ancient times it was a absolutely universal belief that the sun orbits the earth. And this verse is clearly referring to that ancient belief .
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.🔥 Al-Kahf 18:77 فَٱنطَلَقَا حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَيَآ أَهْلَ قَرْيَةٍ ٱسْتَطْعَمَآ أَهْلَهَا فَأَبَوْا۟ أَن يُضَيِّفُوهُمَا فَوَجَدَا فِيهَا جِدَارًا يُرِيدُ أَن يَنقَضَّ فَأَقَامَهُۥۖ قَالَ لَوْ شِئْتَ لَتَّخَذْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they "found" therein a wall about to collapse, so he restored it. said, "If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment." IN THE WORLD WALL ABOUT TO COLLAPSE ONLY HAPPENS IN THAT PLACE ONLY?😂😂😂😂 🔥🔥An-Nur 24:39 وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَعْمَٰلُهُمْ كَسَرَابٍۭ بِقِيعَةٍ يَحْسَبُهُ ٱلظَّمْـَٔانُ مَآءً حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا جَآءَهُۥ لَمْ يَجِدْهُ شَيْـًٔا وَوَجَدَ ٱللَّهَ عِندَهُۥ فَوَفَّىٰهُ حِسَابَهُۥۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَرِيعُ ٱلْحِسَابِ But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he "finds" it is nothing but finds Allāh before him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allāh is swift in account. NO ONE SEE ALLAH BUT SAID FINDS🎉 🔥🔥🔥 HOT SPRINGS ARE PRESENT IN WORLD 🌍 Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber. 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Mud volcano field of 10 KM WIDE ALSO PRESENT IN THE WORLD 🌍 Does Saudi Arabia have hot springs? Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥REALLY WHAT HAPPENS? Ya Sin 36:40 لَا ٱلشَّمْسُ يَنۢبَغِى لَهَآ أَن تُدْرِكَ ٱلْقَمَرَ وَلَا ٱلَّيْلُ سَابِقُ ٱلنَّهَارِۚ وَكُلٌّ فِى فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ It is not allowable [i.e., possible] for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is "swimming." ITS SWIMMING..ITS CONTINUOUS PROCESS .. NOT LIKE SUN SET AND ITS GOING TO SLEEP..😆
Very good explanation . 👍 Non muslims just wanna find a way to disprove islam by not telling us the exact words of the verse but they say oh quran says it sets in murky water etc but these people will never find their way and disprove islam as allah has preserved this book and it contains no errors . May allah bless u brother.😊
@@thoufeerbasheer5067 I read that surah and memorized when I was 10 years. The word sperm is not there in the whole surah, and dont know where u got that word sperm from. The Arabic word for sperm is "mani" and one semen is "nutfah" and u can find these words in many places in Quran, but this surah doesnt have any of those two words, rather it says the word "ma" which is fluid and not a sperm. And this fluid originate from the backbone of the male BEFORE it goes down to the testicles and becomes a sperm. So the sperm is produced in the testicles, but the fluid before it is a sperm originates from the backbone of the male, and it mixes with a fluid coming from under the rib of a woman, so you clearly see how it doesnt mention sperm rather it mentions a fluid which originates from the backbone of the male and under the rib of a woman, which is between the backbone and the rib.
@@xkcd_68868 its not gods fault that some people like u try to find mistakesin everything. Does the sun set in the west? yes. doesn't that mean it literally sets in the west? no its from our perspective. use ur brain.
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@@anshumaaan LMAO. if u want to learn physics go to chemistry teacher? U fool are u listening to urself? If u want to learn quran go read the quran lmao. I bet u havent ever opened a quran and just watch videos on it and believe. Go read the quran, read the tafsir and watch videos explaining each verse and then come back. "If you want to learn Quran Learn From Christian Prince." 😁🤣🤣🤡🤡makes 0 sense
It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne, then it asks for permission (to rise) and permission is given to it. Soon it will prostrate, but it will not be accepted from it, and it will ask for permission (to rise) but permission will not be given to it; it will be said to it: “Go back to where you came from.’ So it will rise from its place of setting and that is what Allah, may He be Glorified, refers to in the verse: ‘And the sun runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing (Qur’an 36:38)'”. What about this I mean how can thousands times bigger star go back the other way around sir
Until he reached the place when sun set, he viewed it setting in a muddy spring and he saw (in that) region of it (land ) people….18:86 Idha : when Maghriba l-shams: M with ghariba in the word refers to the place at the time of sunset. Wajada: view, see, perceive Inda: the vicinage,or the quarter,tract,region,or place of a person or thing.
You can even explain the perspective argument with the English word “sunset”. We know the “sun” does not actually “settle” at dusk. it is the rotation of the earth that makes it look like it does. So even in the English language, we say the sun sets because of our perspective living on earth and we don’t mean the sun literally “sets” .
True but prophet mo talks about the sun going somewhere after "setting" and THIS is the point non muslims are making... Not that the word "sunset" is used 😂😂😂😂
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
এই হাদিসে ভন্ড নবী মুহাম্মদ পৃথিবী ধ্বংস প্রসঙ্গে কিছু ভবিষ্যদ্বানী করেছেন দিস সংগ্রহ সহীহ বুখারী ভলিউম 4, বুক 53, হাদিস নম্বর 401। সহীহ বুখারী বই 53. আল্লাহর পথে লুটের এক-পঞ্চমাংশ (খুমুস) আউফ বিন মালি (রাঃ) থেকে বর্ণিতঃ আমি তাবুকের গাযওয়ার সময় নবী (সাঃ)-এর কাছে গিয়েছিলাম যখন তিনি চামড়ার তাঁবুতে বসে ছিলেন। তিনি বলেন, “ছয়টি চিহ্ন গণনা কর যা কেয়ামতের আগমন নির্দেশ করে: আমার মৃত্যু, জেরুজালেম বিজয়, একটি মহামারী যা আপনাকে আঘাত করবে (এবং প্রচুর পরিমাণে আপনাকে হত্যা করবে) যে মহামারীটি ভেড়ার উপর আঘাত করে, তাদের সম্পদ বৃদ্ধি। এমন পরিমাণ যে কাউকে একশ দিনার দিলেও সে সন্তুষ্ট হবে না; তারপর একটি দুর্দশা যা থেকে কোন আরব ঘর রেহাই পাবে না, এবং তারপর আপনার এবং বনী আল-আসফার (অর্থাৎ বাইজেন্টাইনদের) মধ্যে যুদ্ধবিরতি হবে যারা আপনার সাথে বিশ্বাসঘাতকতা করবে এবং আশিটি পতাকার নীচে আপনাকে আক্রমণ করবে। প্রতিটি পতাকার নিচে থাকবে বারো হাজার সৈন্য। মুহাম্মদ মারা গেছে ১৪৫০ বছরেও বেশি হয়ে গেছে পুথিবী ধ্বংস হয় নি । জেরুজালেম মুসলমানরা দুইবার দখল করেছে এক বার ১১৮৭ AD এবং ৬৩৬ AD পৃথিবী এখনও ধ্বংস হয় নি মুহাম্মদের মৃত্যুর পর অনেক ভয়ংকর মহামারী হয়েছে পৃথিবী তাও ধ্বংস হয় নি বাইজেন্টাইন সম্রাজ্য অনেক যুগ আগেই বিলুপ্তি হয়ে গেছে। তাহলে তারা। মুহাম্মদের কথা মত মুসলমানদের সাথে বিশ্বাসঘাতকতা কীভাবে করবে?। উওরাটা সহজ মুহাম্মদ মনে করে ছিল যে পৃথিবী ধ্বংস তার মৃত্যুর ঠিক পরেই হবে সে বাইজেন্টাইন সম্রাজ্য বিলুপ্তির মতো সুদূর ভবিষ্যতের কথা কল্পনাও করেনি। মুহাম্মদের সময় থেকে শুরু করে বর্তমান যুগ পর্যন্ত অনেক মহামারী হয়েছে কিন্তু পৃথিবী ধ্বংসের কোনো লক্ষন নেই একের পর এক একের পর এক মুহাম্মদের ভবিষ্যদ্বাণী ফ্লপ গেছে। মুহাম্মদ যে এক ভন্ড নবী তা দিনের আলোর মতো পরিষ্কার।
Excellent explanation. However, I think it would help to provide quotes from the scholars to drive home the point. That would also make the video more academic.
The Lights of Revelation (p. 399) Al-Tabari went so far as to say the pool where the sun sets contains lime (see the Concise Interpretation of Tabari, p. 19 of part 2)[1] The Scholars TOTALLY disagree with him!
@@isaiah68craig36 As for the idea of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible, and the tales told by storytellers that he traveled so far to the west that the sun set behind him are not true at all. Most of these stories come from the myths of the People of the Book and the fabrications and lies of their heretics. [Tafsir ibn kathir . Tafseer of 18:86]
@@mohammadrakibulhassan9694 It's funny how important Islamic scholars disagreed on what the Quran says. Allah says in the Quran that it's a book with all verses fully explained in detail. Clearly not! He was not a good communicator, otherwise people wouldn't argue. For example, he says in 21:30 that the Earth and sky were joined and separated, which is clearly wrong (yet all classical tafsir scholars say that's exactly what the Quran meant). In 2:29 he makes the Earth and things on it and THEN he turns to the heavens, which again is clearly wrong (yet all classical tafsir scholars agree with the Quran). So, the best Islamic scholars did not understand the Quran, or the Quran is wrong. How can someone like me today, who has studied astrophysics for many years, think that the Quran is correct when it clearly contradicts the basics of the Big Bang and what the Islamic scholars say the Quran means?
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
Without lies islam dies😂 Sahih al-Bukhari 3199 Book 59, Hadith 10 The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38)
its a MAJOR sign of the day of judgement "the sun will rise from the west" but look at some other signs that the prophet said 1400 years ago that are finally happening "arabic deserts turning green" "murders increasing" "men will begin to look like women and women will begin to look like men." "children will be filled with rage" but ofc, you dont care
There's this channel called Beyond the Lote Tree that did a video based on this only recently. In their findings they found that it could actually not even be about a spring of muddy water but an actual place with that name as its meaning. [Pulalahua volcano crater] Pulalahua means 'cloudy water'. Hence Allah could've been giving us an amazing clue as to the actual location of Dhul Qarnyn's journey at the time. Considering this, we can also be able to get a little bit of a probable location of Gog and Magog's location. 😮 Also as a basis for atheists mocking us for that verse, I wonder if they've ever read a book ever, or done any form of English literature course ever. Descriptions like that aren't that unusual at all...🙄
I really wonder that on the day of judgement. Atheists are standing in a line and asking, O'Allah i have objection with your justice 😂. You never proved me you are there. Sorry, No offence!!
To be honest before i started praying 5 times a day this story about the sun made me love Islam more i just don't get why christians view it as an error when in fact thats just metaphorical and kinda funny because even an 3yo understands it. Christians should really look their own bible that teaches them to marry their own aunts and openly speaks about incest and also historical errors. So before judging an easy metaphorical part in our religion you should start with your religious books first. Edit: no hate but it is what it is🤷♂️
He is definitely right, if you are so confident address his claim both of you. You people are easy game. For a fact you people are easy to deal with. The answer was given and you still act in such way perplexes me
@@omarhasan5037 MuhamMADan, have ever read your islamic scripts with brain, or just as a blind muslim? Islam is false and man-made pagan military and political cult from medieval Arabia. Luckily this stupidity collapses.
@@fitzburg63 Islam is pure monotheism. although I am a layman, I can *In Sha Allah* address all the weak claims you can bring. I have dealt with your kind before i have seen the regurgitated arguments your like bring up. You people watch christian princess and david wood even though they have been debunked a number of times.
@@omarhasan5037It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows: When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an: بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water." And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an: يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water" Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud: (Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86 Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring" and he said: the sun sets in black mud. Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring. Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86 Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
May I humbly suggest to speak slower and make these answers more accessible to sincere non-Muslims or confused Muslims? Farid's response to this topic was much easier to follow... this comes across as dismissive and argumentative which I'm not sure is the intended effect. May Allah bless you for all your work.
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West". And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil". The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times". The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere. These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model. Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86 WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
@@theastronomer5800 so he couldnt write the quran thank you! but nah Allah uses parables and metaphors for humans to really understand thinks, this was from HIS perspective, what dont you understand lol
So? then where was the place of the setting of the sun? And who are the people who live there? It's quite clear that Mo thought that the earth was flat, so there would have been a place where the sun sets, and people can live there...
No? You do realise thatmany mufasiroon used the Quoranic to prove the earth is round right? And what about murky water and the sun? Even Al Quortobi and innocent taymyah gives tafseer to this verse so you are just in denial really
@@halalshrek1494 I'm actually very much in denial. I found the explanations of Al Qurtubi and others online. They just don't convince me; that's all. And that's precisely because Muslims claim that Allah is the real writer of the Quran, it is exactly as he gave it to Jibreel, who then gave it to Mohammed, who then gave it to his followers. Possibilities enough for errors to sneak in, I would say. And why would Allah make such obvious mistakes? You can always try to reason them away, and that's what I basically see happening every time: it says this, but what is really meant is that. Too convenient for me.
May Allah guide these critics, they are intentionally supposing mistakes in Qur'an. The problem & confusion appeared to those non arab Muslims and non Muslims who never read and understand the whole context.
Surah 18:86 - 'Until, when he reached THE SETTING OF THE SUN, he found IT SET IN a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness" ..Annd ut says he reached the SETTING place of the sun. He also FOUND it SET in a murky spring. He literally believed the sun set in a murky spring a lied and claim the place it SET was found. (P.s Dont look at the size of the sun from our modern perspective, back then they thought the sun, moon, and stars were small. Your quran has other texts that confirm that as well.)
Back than nobody tought the sun and the moon are small wtf you saying 🤣🤣🤣 you dont even know arabic bro wajada has different meanings and one best meaning is he viewed and he found it as if, bro you are too desperate broo 🤣🤣
@@spajjilakhas8678 That was a year ago and I learned its no point of arguing about it. I just hope that you take time and look at your religion and question whats its really about. What purpose does it serve? Its supposed to be from the same God of the bible and torah and its supposed to correct the incorrect teachings of them both (especially the bible from what you guys say). The torah is about preparing for the coming of the messiah and him bringing his kingdom to Earth. Christianity is about the arrival of the messiah (Jesus and how he is our lord and saviour and through him we recieve grace and are accepted into his kingdom) Islam is about what? ..It completely invalidates the whole purpose of what God has planned for us. How can you say that your religion comes from my God when you all deny Christ as the messiah and just call him a prophet? So who is the messiah then? its not muhammad, he is just a prophet and the last one at that (so you say). Not only that, In your Quran it even states that the torah and bible are valid (albeit a bit "Corrupt"). So how can you say that these sources are correct when it completely invalidates the whole purpose of the Quran?? Thats like a sequel to naruto comes out and they say well he was never the hokage and was only a sensei and he never beat madara. Anyone who watches naruto could tell you easily that that wouldnt make much sense. Im not here to mock you or offend you. I just want you to see the truth.
Bro Arabic is my mother language and حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ ٱلشَّمْسِ this doesn’t mean what you mean at all😂. It means this he took a path until he reached the furthest part of the earth that he walks in from the direction of sunset, which is the setting of the earth.
You talk a lot, but you say nothing! So lets dissect this, First of all, "Who is Duhl Quarnane?" If you can find him anywhere in history please let me know. Secondly, "Why did this guy travel west?" If you want to see the sun set, just stand still and wait! you'll see it ''set'' in the west, but by this story he went west to find where it sets. Thirdly, "Why did he 'reach the setting place' ?" He reached it, he got there, it was a geographical location, it was a place. Fourth, "There he found it, what is that word? Wojida? " You say it was his perspective? well, did he find people by his perspective? were they there or not? He found the place , and he found a people, no perspective. OK, so you say that that word can have five meanings, well that doesn't make for a very clear quran now does it, sounds to me like a very muddled quran, so which one is it. So , he went "WEST", he "FOUND" the "PLACE", the same as him going EAST to find the rising PLACE of the sun. And last, and probably the most important, If this story was in ANY OTHER book you'd hold it up to ridicule and laugh at that religion, and you'd say, "Look at this foolishness, you can't believe that that book comes from God, God would never say that!" but it's in the quran so you have no choice but to try so desperately to defend it, HYPOCRIT!! Oh, one more thing, HOLES IN THE NARRITIVE
Obviously later Muslims realized the literal view was untenable and allegorized it. But the earliest interpretation appears to be the literal one, e.g., as attested in al-Tabari, that hadith from Abu Dawud, etc.
How do Muslims sleep at night with all this deceit & lies in their mouths. The context of these verses suggest a traveler tracing the path of the setting sun and describes where he sees the sun set. This is not a metaphor, this travelers is convinced the sun sets in a murky/muddy springs, even says he found people close by this location. Notice the word that is used in verse 86, "near it, yes near where the sun set", this is a physical location description of the event, does this seriously suggest it is a metaphor? No, so why must Muslims persistently lie & try and deceive anyone into believing this verse is nothing but figuratively saying the "sun sets in murky/muddy water"....it is not, period. it's here in black & white, what are you guys really denying? [Surah 18:84-86] 84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends. 85. One way he followed, 86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
LOL. So when the sun “sets” ya’ll see it set in a specific direction right? So Ya’ll can’t use it as a reference to tell directions to places..like “oh near the sunset” or in that direction? u can’t say that?😂😂..u can’t say go in the direction of where the sun sets? Or this is located on that side? As in the nearest to that area? (Which is furthest west ish)
It was narrated by Abu Dharr in Dawud 4002. Why do you first take pride in what the quran says, and then dismiss this sahih hadith which says the same? Really illogical. It is allah speaking in chapter 18, not DQ. So your explanation that it was from DQ is simply false; it doesn’t even use the word ‘see’ or ‘observe’. You insert that in the text first so that you can give an explanation about a modified quran. Why do you correct your prophet? Ibn Kathir says this is the most western place on earth. Which means that he believed the earth is flat and as such claims the quran says that mohammed believed the earth is flat. You don’t have to travel anywhere to see the sun set; it happens everywhere every day. Allah says DQ found the place where the sun disappears from visibility on the earth, which is the only way this verse nakes sense. So allah didn’t know the sun sets everywhere, but points out 1 specific place. That, Hijab, is really dumb.
@@yousef_afc9363 Why did Muslims make soooooooooo many fake "sahih" hadiths? I was always told that the early Muslims memorized the Quran and what Muhammad said VERY accurately, that there are all these isnads that give the chains of transmission and that great scholars like al-Bukhari spent their whole lives collecting and checking all these hadiths to make sure they are authentic... all for nothing it would seem. It's funny that today Muslims get so angry over cartoons, but the don't get angry that for generations Muslims made so many fake stories about their prophet. By the way, is this hadiths also fake? Al-Aawad and Hammam reported A'isha as saying: I used to scrape off the (drop of) semen from the garment of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). - Sahih Muslim 288b It's sahih, but I'm not sure... there are many others that say the same thing, do you think they are all fake and "debunked"?
Quran clearly mentions that Dhul Kar Nayeen reached the setting place of the sun & he found it setting in a muddy spring. Now if it just a pov why then quran talks about reaching the setting place of the sun. Do any of the paper or news says that the sun sets in it's setting place? Also a sun set can be observed only if there is water spread until the horizon which is impossible in case of a spring and no sea on earth is muddy and also the word 'hamiah' is never used in arabic to mean sea or ocean. Also quran mentions three journeys of Dhul Kar Nayeen. One until he reached the setting place of the sun, another until he reached the rising place of the sun and lastly until he reached the pass between two mountains. The same word has been used to mean 'reach' on all the verses and the pass of two mountains wasn't a pov of Dhul Kar Nayeen but an actual place where there exists two mountains. So if setting place and rising place was a pov why the word has been used? Now there is also a sahih graded hadith in Sunan abi Dawud about Muhammad talking that sun sets in a muddy spring. Also the story of Dhul kar nayeen very closely resembles the Syriac Alexander Romance whose oral version is the source of quranic Dhul kar nayeen tale. In Syriac alexander romance, Alexander reached the end of the world and find the setting place of the sun and sun also sets in a muddy spring. Alexander also reaches where the sun rises and this is also mentioned in the quran and in Syriac legend Alexander reached a mountain pass and then build wall which is also found in quran. Now the syriac legend's written form dates about 630 Ad where sura kahf of quran was made in between 615-619 Ad. But that gives no chance to say that Syriac legend is influenced by Quranic Dhul kar nayeen tales because before taking into written form this legend was common folk story througout syria and surrounding regions and Syriac legend gives much more details than qurans few lines version. And also Sura kahf was made in meccan period when Muhammad was considered nothing more of a mad man and only a handful of people accepted islam. And syriac legend were written by Syrian christians who were definitely not inspired by muhammad's stories. But muhammad went frequently in syria before claiming to be a prophet and most probably heard this legend from people there and thats why he was unable give much details in his made up verses but only talks about common points which are going at the end of the world and reaching setting place of the sun, reaching the rising place of the sun, reaching mountain pass and so on. Also early muslims including al tabari believed that sun literally sets in a muddy spring. Tabari mentioned in his history of prophets and kings that people of basra and another city had difference by what kind of spring the set in. One group thought it sets in a hot spring and other group thought it sets in a muddy spring. Tabari said that he find both thought correct as the spring can be hot and muddy. There are many other examples who believed that the sun literally sets in a muddy spring. It was not until Ptolemy's work translated in arabic and then people come to know that the sun is bigger than the earth and then ibn kathir and others started to give pov explanations. But quran meant it literally.
If Islam (the Quran and Sunnah) only explained natural phenomena from a human perspective, it would mean that humans were the ones who produced and wrote the Quran
But please apply the same when referring to the Bible. Here you are correcting a wrong but to the Christian you say it is corrupted. Lets use the same measurements everywhere. Peace and love from Jesus.
Qur'an chapter 18 verse 86 states that "he found it setting in a spring of black muddy water" It is a description of Black Sea. If a person stands at the shores of Black Sea then it would appear to him just as it did with Dhul Qarnain that the Sun is setting in Black muddy water. Check "Black Sea sunset" images and do your research on Black Sea.
The best proof that its not meant in the literal sense is that, A couple verses later it says he found the sun rise on people. This proves that it's not in the literal sense. The traveler knew when he encountered those people the sun was no where near him or them, but though Allah said he found it rise on them. Clearly it's not literal.
assalamualaikum, ustadz I want to ask, we as Muslims have no doubts about the verses of the Koran about Zulkarnain's view of seeing the sun set in black mud, but what if there is a hadith of the prophet saying: I (=Abu Dzar) once rode the Messenger of Allah SAW on a donkey when the sun is in the west. Then he said: "Do you know where the sun sets?" I replied: "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said: "Surely the sun sets in the BLACK MUD (= aynin) SPRINGS". (Hadith HR. Abu Daud, no. 3488). please explain ustadz... thank you
The Quran contains many Prophecies that have been fulfilled, The first two prophecies are noteworthy: unlike any other world scripture, the Quran prophesizes its own preservation under divine care, and we will demonstrate how it actually occurred. The Protection of the Quran from Corruption The Quran makes a claim no other religious text makes, that God Himself will keep its text safe from alteration. God says: "Behold, it is We Ourselves who have gradually revealed this reminder, and, behold, it is We who shall truly guard it [from all corruption]." (Quran 15:9) The Ease of Memorizing the Quran God has made the Quran easy to memorize: "And in truth We have made the Quran easy to remember; who, then, is willing to take it to heart?" (Quran 54:17) The ease with which Quran is memorized is inimitable. There is not a single scripture or religious text in the world that is as easy to memorize; even non-Arabs and children commit it to memory easily. The entire Quran is memorized by almost every Islamic scholar and hundreds of thousands of ordinary Muslims, generation after generation. Almost every Muslim has some portion of the Quran memorized to read in his prayers. The Twofold Prophecy Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610-641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590-628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion. In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.[2] The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia. To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful: "The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful." (Quran 30:2-5) The Quran made a prophecy of two victories: (i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time (ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans Both of these prophecies actually occured. In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host. A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.[3] Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr. In the words of an Indian scholar: "…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All this proves the Holy Quran to be the Book of God."[4] The Prophecy of Pagan Defeat The Quran predicted the defeat of unbelievers in Mecca while Prophet Muhammad and his followers were still being persecuted by them: "Or do they (the Meccan disbelievers) say: ‘We are a great multitude, and we shall be victorious?’ Their multitude will be defeated, , and they shall turn their backs [in flight]!" (Quran 54:45) The prophecy was revealed in Mecca, but was fulfilled at the Battle of Badr, two years after the Prophet’s migration to the city of Medina. The Fate of Specific Individuals Waleed ibn Mugheera was a staunch enemy who openly ridiculed the Quran: "Then said he: "This is nothing but magic, derived from of old; this is nothing but the word of a mortal!" (Quran 74:24-25) The Quran prophesized he will never accept Islam: "Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire! And what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is? It leaves naught nor does it spare aught." (Quran 74:26-28) Waleed died in a state of disbelief as prophesized by the Quran. Also, concerning Abu Lahab, a fiery opponent of Islam, the Quran foretold he will die opposing the religion of God: "May the hands of Abu Lahab perish, and [indeed] he has perished. His wealth and gains will not profit him. He will be plunged in flaming Fire." (Quran 111:1-3) Specifically, three prophecies were made about Abu Lahab: (i) The conspiracies of Abu Lahab against the Prophet would not succeed. (ii) His wealth and children would not benefit him. (iii) He would die opposing God’s religion and enter the Fire. Abu Lahab also died in a state of disbelief as prophesized by the Quran. Had Waleed or Abu Lahab accepted Islam even outwardly, they would have disproved its prophecies and thus its heavenly source! In addition, Abu Lahab had four sons, two of whom died at a young age during his lifetime. The other two sons and a daughter embraced Islam and frustrated his hopes! Finally, he died of a plague; people would not touch his body out of fear of contamination and dumped mud and stones on him where he died to make it his grave. A key foundation to believing that a scripture is actually a revelation of God is internal truth, whether it be in regards to occurrences in the past, to come in the future, or in contemporary ages. As one can see, there are many prophecies mentioned in that which is to come, some of which were fulfilled in the Prophet’s lifetime, or have been fulfilled since his death, while others are yet to appear
We see the sun set in the sea (in arabic bahr) because seas extend to the horizon, the verse says a muddy hot spring (in arabic ain).. there’s no spring that extends to the horizon let there be a hot muddy spring that can’t exist if it was a bit too vast or shallow.. if it was a metaphor whats the purpose of mentioning that dhul-Qarnayn saw the sunset in the muddy spring as an illusion? I can see the sunset as an illusion without being dhul-qarnayn and without travelling all over the world.. you see what I mean?
how about this hadith: عن أبي ذر رضي الله عنه قال: قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لأبي ذر حين غربت الشمس: «أتدري أين تذهب؟» قلت: الله ورسوله أعلم. قال: «فإنها تذهب حتى تسجد تحت العرش، فتستأذن فيؤذن لها، ويوشك أن تسجد فلا يقبل منها، وتستأذن فلا يُؤْذَن لها يقال لها: ارجعي من حيث جئت، فتطلع من مغربها، فذلك قوله تعالى: {والشمس تجري لمستقر لها ذلك تقدير العزيز العليم} [يس: 38]». [صحيح] - [متفق عليه]
The word مغرب came from the word غرب يغرب which means to set in west specifically for sun so it’s clear it’s set’s in the west not in the water الله اعلم
Im native arabic, and we never had problem with this, even arab atheist did not say anything agains this because simply the word "تغرب" taghrubu mean to disappear which have nothing to do with setting!
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Lol I see why they call him a beast I converted to Islam because of his lectures he’s 29 and already knows so much about the religion
See you in 2 years (like the other 85-% of converts) when you wake up to yourself and stop being such a gullible ignoramus. He is the reason people leave Islam. Don’t believe me- check out speakers corner vids from btb etc. No hate, just use your brain. Only if you care about real salvation. Or stay a Muslim. No difference to me
@@MM-oj8vb why do u christians cope so much
@@Rob__James Definately he did not believe in the truth'.
Ask him about the holes in the narrative
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
Please fix the bookcases make them an equal distance apart please. Thanks Jzk
Lol.. It hurts😂
Didn't even notice it, you weirdos! :p
You need help lol
OCD Alert lol
😂 😂🤣
BBC "the sun sets here in London 4:15" do they believe that the sun actually sets?
@Alliance for me it sets in the Arabian Sea at 6:25
And Japan known as the Land of the Rising Sun.
@mokshkikhoj Indian do you know arabic? If you dont, then what is the point? Words mean different things in different contexts at particular periods of time. For that one has to understand classical arabic of the time of the Prophet. Prophet s.a also has given narrations on the meanings of sentences which has been recorded by the sahabah and mufassirun. If one choses to interpret meanings of Quran differently then thats upto them. But Allah has made everything that clear and easy to understand in the Quran, which one is supposed to know. It is only the magnificence of the Quran that there are verses in the Quran that has mutli layered meanings and understandings that can be understood by people in different generations differently and yet be precise.
@mokshkikhoj Indian Allah didn't say that. he quoted Dul qarneyn.
For me, I'm quarantined so I don't go out. And there is no clear view of the sunset from my room. So, for me the doesn't set at all
I had to put this in 0.5X playback speed. Slow down Akhi
I need subtitles
I watch all the videos 1.5 to 1.75 speed so it's actually refreshing to have to only select 1.25 speed for this one
I watched this video on 1.75x speed 😂
@Cow Dung bakht Man the story of prophet Yusha isn't even from the QURAN. its a biblical narrative.
@Cow Dung bakht about the "prophet yusha" bit. Not the first half.
BTW, sorry.
This is not complex at all, for example when you're at the beach and it is sunset, you don't say the sun sets into the sea now do you? Its just from our pov.
It's really funny to see how low they have to reach into the barrel that they forget about basic logic.
@@muddtheboss415 yeah
@@StopSpammingOriginal So you're saying that people 1000 years ago observed a baby evolving in the womb or that the Mediterranean sea and the Atlantic ocean don't mix. Those are also written in the quran. How did they observe that since you know so much.
@@StopSpammingOriginal Big Bang and Expansion of Universe was explicitly mentioned in the holy Qur'an, so how do you explain that ?
You want reference
@@StopSpammingOriginal Imagine a giant fireball in the sky, that they knew provided heat, sinking into the 'murky water' without a single splash, or smoke, or plumes of water vapor lmao..
Also, it's a SPRING, a murky SPRING. Use your actual God given IQ. You really think they were neanderthals to think this huge sun in the sky falls into a mere spring without any visible reaction? When fire hits water reactions happen man lol. Cmon...
And what need is there for the Sun to enter a 'murky spring' ? Why doesn't the moon enter it? Why just the sun lmao.
It's so painfully obvious, when I say 'I traveled so far into China I reached a sea where I saw the sun setting in.' Nobody on Earth would tell us now, or then, that the Sun is taking a bath in MUDDY/MURKY WATER lmao. A 'burning lamp' does not take bathes lmfao.
Quran 18:90, just four verses after 18:86:
"Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield."
Now, does that also mean that the Quran says that the sun rises on top of some people's head?
Yes, of course. It's talking of the specific place that you can find where the sun goes down, and goes up. Makes perfect sense when you read the hadiths that talk of the resting place of the sun, it prostrating under the throne of Allah and it getting permission to rise.
@@theastronomer5800 Dude i'm so sure you failed your rhetorics and literature class 😂
No it means they had no trees and shade etc so they needed to make shade so they slept outside they didn’t have houses etc
@@theastronomer5800 are you a troll?
@Great Khan you too
Some people just want to use anything to deny reality 🙄...
@cool dude but being true? Oh okay how would you explain many many many things in Quran that are proven by Science
Frontal Lobe
Internal Waves In The Ocean
Pain Receptors
Formation Of Clouds
Iron Within Meteorites
Embryology
Oceanic Division mentions
The Big Crunch Theory
The Big Bang Theory
And many more
@cool dude quran is true 0 controdictions they all been refuted 😂😂🤣🤣 old news
@cool dude you worded it quite difficult, that's okay I suppose a similar thing happened with Jesus lmao
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
@@celestialsatheist1535you have a little problem the mufassirin themselves said not everything they mentions is true and some a Hadith they mentions are not authentic
I love the energy and passion. Mohammad Hijab you are the very reason why I look forward to watching UA-cam videos. May Allah continue to increase you in wisdom and shower his blessings upon you and all your family and friends.
Let me know if theres any noticeable increase in said wisdom after you call to allah
@@scooprammer5934 what are you talking about?
@@monjoaliuk7033 well i don't think theres any change in hijab wisdom since your call to allah, in fact hajibs got worse, allah wasn't listening
FACTS
Quran is corrupted.
I love Mohammad Hijab's assertive style of delivery
I find him a bit extra aggressive tbh.
@@m.afg124 true but sometimes it is needed I think
@@StopSpammingOriginal Says all the people who lose every debate to him. Nothing wrong with being a bit passionate
@@StopSpammingOriginal LMAO LOOOL you are literally are a nobody. Move.
Trying to hide ignorance with arrogance
No early Muslim said that this was what appeared to Dhul-Qarnayn, but there are plenty who clearly say this is a literal setting place of the sun.
Here is what companion Ibn Abbas said to his student Sayd b. Jubayr on the verse:
حمأة سوداء تغرب فيها الشمس.
Black mud that the sun sets in.
Here is what he said to student Salih:
تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ سَوْدَاءَ
it sets in a black spring
Here is what he said to his student Atta
فإذا غربت جرت بالليل في فلكها تحت الأرض حتى تطلع من مشرقها
When it sets it runs during the night in its course beneath the earth until it rises from its rising place.
Here is the tafsir of Abu Aliyah Al-Basri (d.93):
بلغني أن الشمس تغرب في عين، تقذفها العين إلى المشرق.
I was informed that the sun is in a spring; the spring casts it to the east
Here is Kab Al-Ahbar (72bh-36):
إنها تغرب في حمأة طينة سوداء.
It sets into black mud.
There are also many references to being able to hear the sun setting in the spring. For instance here's Suhail b. Abi Salih (d.140):
لولا لغط أهل الرومية سمع الناس وجبة الشمس حين تقع
had it not for the noise of the Romans, people would have heard the sun when it fell down.
And Sayd b. Al-Musayyib (15-94):
لولا أصوات الصنافر لسمع وجبة الشمس حين تقع عند غروبها.
had it not for the sounds of the horns, he would have heard the sun falling when it’s set.
And Ibn Jurayj (80-150):
مدينة لها اثنا عشر ألف باب، لولا أصوات أهلها، لسمع الناس وجوب الشمس حين تجب.
A town with ten thousand gates, had it not been for the voices of its people, people would have heard the sound of the sun when it came.
Here also is Imam Al-Tabari (d.310) who clearly endorses a literalistic view:
والصواب من القول في ذلك عندي أن يقال: إنهما قراءتان مستفيضتان في قراءة الأمصار، ولكل واحدة منهما وجه صحيح ومعنى مفهوم، وكلا وجهيه غير مفسد أحدهما صاحبه، وذلك أنه جائز أن تكون الشمس تغرب في عين حارّة ذات حمأة وطين، فيكون القارئ في عين حامية بصفتها التي هي لها، وهي الحرارة، ويكون القارئ في عين حمئة واصفها بصفتها التي هي بها وهي أنها ذات حمأة وطين. وقد رُوي بكلا صيغتيها اللتين إنهما من صفتيها أخبار.
And in my mind the correct opinion is to say that they are both popular readings in the land, and each one has a correctness about it and an understandable meaning, and neither contradicts the other, for it is possible that the sun sets in a hot spring that has mud and sludge, so a reader who uses “warm spring” is describing its temperature, and the reader who uses “muddy spring” is describing that it has mud and sludge. Both versions have been narrated to us.
I have noticed that people who bring up these supposed statements of the sahaba never bring up the source
@@zucchini7913
Ma'ani Al-Quran 2/159
Tafsir Al-Tabari 15/375-377
The final one is from ibn Kathirs tafsir for Q31:29
But is it authentic though
@zucchini7913
The statements Sayd and Atta are, Abu Salihs is considered not so much however it is interesting how consistent it is to the statement of Sayd. Its possible that Ibn Abbas taught this to both of them at the same time (both were prominent tafsir scholars in Kufa) but they or/and their students remembered the wording slightly differently but kept the meaning intact
Also what is your religion currently of I might ask
Quran 18:77 also uses the words "Fawajada" and then says "a wall that WANTED to fall down". Clearly this is metaphorical so why do non Muslims accept this as metaphorical but not the sun one which is only a few pages later
Because early scholars like Al Tabari write about him and ibn abbas believing the sun setting in a murky spring. Also if you read this in historical context it makes sense people believed the sun goes somewhere at night since that was commonly believed since heliocentrism was not commonly accepted yet.
@@bustinjieber2673 No, they don't. At-Tabari is a collection of all sorts of reports. Weak and strong.
Also, watch the new video by Farid. Why would the Sahabi say to the prophet "God and his messenger know best" (i.e he didn't know) when asked about where the Sun goes? They wouldn't say that if they took the verses literally. He would have replied with "the murky spring"
@@MrSuperman957 Al Tabari quotes Ibn Abbas explaining how the sun literally sets in a spring.
Were did Ibn Abbas get this from?
@@bustinjieber2673 Ibn Abbas literally just quoted the verse. There's no authentic narration about him saying that it literally sets in a murky spring. If you want to claim that, bring your proof
@@MrSuperman957
This comes from Al Tabari's book: the History of Prophets and Kings page 235/236: Quoting ibn Abbas.
For the sun and the moon, He created easts and wests (positions to rise and set) on the two sides of the earth and
the two rims of heaven, 80 springs in the west of black clay-
this is (meant by) God's word: "He found it setting in a muddy spring,"442 meaning by "muddy (hami'ah)" black clay-and 180
springs in the east likewise of black clay, bubbling and boiling like a pot when it boils furiously. He continued. Every day and night,
[651 the sun has a new place where it rises and a new place where it
sets.
I seriously can't believe this is an actual criticism LOL that some non Muslims bring. Even if you read a translation of the verse, a nine year old can understand by context that Dhul Qarnayn saw the sun appearing to set in water that fits that description (and near the caspian sea/Caucasian region till today we can find water that literally looks murky and dark so if someone went there, it would literally look like the sun is setting in murky water). Similarly if I say the sun sets in the English language, it doesn't mean it literally descends and whatever.
@Great Khan You definitely did not read what I said LOL
As I said, a 5 year old who listens to the story/narrative understands it to clearly mean he came to a place where the sun appeared to set in that description and not that it literally does.
Good brain you have.
@Great Khan Bla bla bla,
The hadith about the setting of the sun, all muhadithin agree it is the addition of the rawi (narrator) because it was narrated in several different turuk and he was the only one who added that. So the vast majority of the narrators of hadith believe it is not authentically ascribed, even if the chain is authentic. Please don't embarrass yourself. It's funny how you clownlessly use these are proofs yet you will claim miracles that are undisputed and authentically narrated not only by chain, but by lack of contradiction in narration, in countless turuk are somehow not authentic.
As I said, even a kid will read the story and understand that Dhul Qarnayn clearly came to a location where the sun appears to set that way, which is the case with the black sea, etc.
@Great Khan So... "hadith are weak historical records" when they have countless narrations narrated at a level of mutawatir 😂😂😂 but when it comes to what you are trying to use against Islam (not a proof for you anyway, I already refuted you by saying every other rawi didn't narrate that addition) it's suddenly acceptable and a proof to ascribe.
LOL
Read tafsirs on this verse
Exactly 😂, some verses will be contextual, literal or figurative, you have to use your comprehension to discern between them.
I never even knew this was a contention until I heard that anti-Islam individuals were raising the issue.
Whenever you hear someone saying "we watched the Sun setting in the ocean, it was really beautiful"
Would you attempt to correct them in or would you just use common sense?
That's was the most ridiculous allegation against Islam 🤣🤣
These are not allegations, but the truth:
How do Muslims sleep at night with all this deceit & lies in their mouths. The context of these verses suggest a traveler tracing the path of the setting sun and describes where he sees the sun set. This is not a metaphor, this travelers is convinced the sun sets in a murky/muddy springs, even says he found people close by this location.
Notice the word that is used in verse 86, "near it", yes near where the sun set, this is a physical location description of the event, does this seriously suggest it is a metaphor? No, so why must Muslims persistently lie & try and deceive anyone into believing this verse is nothing but figuratively saying the "sun sets in murky/muddy water"....it is not, period.
it's here in black & white, what are you guys really denying?
[Surah 18:84-86]
84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
85. One way he followed,
86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
It's not foolish, but true:
How do Muslims sleep at night with all this deceit & lies in their mouths. The context of these verses suggest a traveler tracing the path of the setting sun and describes where he sees the sun set. This is not a metaphor, this travelers is convinced the sun sets in a murky/muddy springs, even says he found people close by this location.
Notice the word that is used in verse 86, "near it", yes near where the sun set, this is a description of a physical location, how is this seriously suggest it is a metaphor? So why must Muslims persistently lie & try and deceive anyone into believing this verse is figuratively saying the "sun sets in murky/muddy water"....it is not, period.
it's here in black & white, what are you guys really denying?
[Surah 18:84-86]
84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
85. One way he followed,
86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
@@markscheepers9908
Lol
I sleep well I believe in one God, with no images, and pray like the prophets.
Can you say the same thing? What is your religion?
@@StopSpammingOriginal 😪😪😪
@@monoth4555 witch GOD
IS ONE FOR YOU.
THE ONE WITH 99 ATRIBUTS
THAT ARE SEPERATED FROM HIM.
AND HIS WORD IS ALSO SEPERATED AND BECOMES A PALE MAN.
AND HE SHARES CREATOR POWER WITH JESUS AND THE
SPIRIT.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
An American friend of mine read the Quran for the first time and it never occurred to her that it was LITERALLY setting into water, and didn’t pay any mind to that verse until I brought it up. Anti-Islamists are yoga masters, cause they’re always stretching and reaching.
How would muslims interpret this passage if it would be in the Bible?
How would christians interpret this passage if it would be in the bible?
Hold up, we find something like this in the bible.
Joshua 1:4
“From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, >and unto the great sea toward the going down of the sun,< shall be your coast.”
Well it clearly says that the that word means something we observe with the 5 sense so it is from ones prespective according to the arabic dictionary . btw we u read 4 verses after this it says
"until he reached the rising ˹point˺ of the sun. He found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no shelter from it."
So what r non muslims gon say that quran implies that sun rises on top of peoples head 😂like what man people dont use their brains these days. May allah guide us all.
Thank you, *Brother Muhammed Hijab* ♥️♥️♥️♥️
جزاكم الله خيرا • بارك الله فيكم ♥️
saw someone put a comment with only "for the algorithm," presumably meaning the UA-cam algorithm. Good idea, ill join in too now!
6:08 Hijab goes full on Zakir Naik mode
Sun indeed sets in mud according to I sllaam lol 🤣🤣🤣 . You're debunking yourself
@@allahlesboslu2_9 Your pathetic, dedicating your account and life and free time behind your keyboard at night trying to insult Islam. You better try harder because Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and you cant do anything to stop it 😉
@@mrahman2897
Quran Errors 🤗
@@allahlesboslu2_9 imagine making an entire account based on trolling muslims, sad life
The thing with the Hadith is that it’s not a weak Hadith or has weak chain of narration the Hadith is actually sahih but it’s not an accurate attribution towards the prophet Mohammed Saw this same Hadith was mentioned by three other people who also had quite similar chain of narration but didn’t mention Sun setting in murky water…. And the one who said the Sun sets in murky water is considered as weak narrator in comparison so we don’t consider the Hadith of Sun setting in murky water
Mashaa ALLAH excellent argumentation!
Walaikum Assalam wa Rahmatullahi wa barkatuh wa magfiratuh
1. You quoted the tafsirs by scholars but you didn't explain what proofs they bring forward to claim the word that this verse shouldn't be taken literally. Yes, they didn't even provide the verses from Quran, Hadith, Qoul Sahabah etc.
2. Imam Tabari, an earlier Imam than ibnu Kathir accepted that the sun did set in a murky water/ boiling water. (Because he has no bias at all, at that time he wouldn't know what other recent scholars knew that it is impossible for a sun to set in spring)
3. Tafsir was meant to show what Muhammad thought about a situation. Therefore, it must be translated into a context using evidences explaining the verse itself. The most acceptable ones is tafsir bilma'thur which use verses in Quran itself, hadiths, qoulu sohabah, etc.
4. If Allah knows what is perceived by Iskandar was wrong, why did He put it in there anyway? Without even care explaining about it.
I don't understand half what he says. Sounds gibberish to look smart and intelligent.
Watch a video by Farid responding to APUS on this
'He [Mohammed] said: it [the sun] sets in a spring of warm water.' Sunan Abi Dawood 4002 Book 32, Hadith 34.
This is brilliant
@@StopSpammingOriginal you need to stop spamming in all the reply sections
@@StopSpammingOriginal bro you're going through all the comments, even the latest ones. This comment just said "this is brilliant" and you replied. Just stop wasting your time
Bullshit/bullocks ***
@@عبدالقادر-س8ب6ض they removed his replies. That's how you know Islamists are weak and can't argue back
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
The Hijab Flow!!! Phenomenal!!!
In another verse the quran talks about how Dhul found mountains. So i guess that means he was just and only hallucinating mountains then
do you know how metaphors work?
do you really know the difference between simple things? whats real and whats fake?
but anyway the verse you talking abt is 18:93 ig, it translates to "until he reached BETWEEN two mountains. He found in FRONT of them (the mountains) a people who could hardly understand (his) language"
spelled it out for you bro
@@sully111 do you know how language works?
Every single serious earlier scholar of Islam understood this verse literally . Verse itself , combined with Hadith, is clear as sky and it demonstrably teaches geocentricism . This is nothing but engaging ridiculously comical mental gymnastics in order to hide from the truth . Well , choice is yours :)))
Al-Kahf Verse 90:
“until he reached the rising ˹point˺ of the sun. He found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no shelter from it.”
Can you help me understand what Allah means by “for whom we had provided no shelter from it”?
- If the narrator here didn’t mean the Sun was dangerously close to the people who lived near the ‘rising’ point of the Sun, what exactly did Allah not provide them shelter from?
They didn’t have any natural protection against the heat “trees, water, caves etc……” and their region was very hot
the schorching heat, it doesnt really matter but since youre asking they prolly had no clothes or homes to protect themselves. keep reading tho, it gets good
But what about this biggest mistake in the Quran i.e., geocentrism??
This verse clearly mentions that "he saw..." So it's obviously describing from the human's perspective. But the verses that I am going quote now doesn't mention anything like that and it's clearly talking about the reality and not from human's point of view.
Here we go:
1) "It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." (36:40)
Sun not *overtaking* the moon? Are they in a race with each other or what? This clearly depicts the ancient geocentric model that sun and moon are in an orbit around the earth and they are in race with each other but they never overtake each other.
2) Have you not considered your Lord - how He extends the shadow, and if He willed, He could have made it stationary? Then We made the sun for it an indication.(25:45)
This time, Quran is attributing the sun with the movement of shadow. It is saying if Allah wanted, he
could have made stationary shadows but used the sun to make them change
sizes. If this is the case, what possible link could Movement of shadows have with the sun
otherwise?
And here are the Fatwas of great islamic scholars like uthaymeen, Ibn baz etc stating that according to Quran and Hadith, sun actually revolves around the earth and earth is stationary.
www.aqidah.com/creed/assets/docs/ibn-uthaymin-day-night-seasons.pdf
www.aqidah.com/creed/assets/docs/bini-baz-takfir-sun-earth.pdf
www.aqidah.com/creed/assets/docs/ubayd-jabiri-earth-sun.pdf
@Fernandez Gustavo watch that earlier video carefully before advising others. He said that he will address this geocentrism in Quran in another separate video but it didn't happen yet. In that video He just focused on the hadith not the Quran.
@@agnosticdude7557 ibn baz retracted that statement rofl. Nothing you even say suggests a geocentric model at all
@@yousef_afc9363 Ibn baz retracted his view of flat earth. Not geocentrism in Quran. Else give me the proof if did so.
And why are you ignoring uthaymeen, Saleh Al fawzan, muqbil etc.? They all issued their fatwas that Quran supports geocentrism.
Lmaoo! Geocentrism's problem is not that the sun revolves around the earth because that isn't a problem whatsoever. Geocentrism is an inaccurate name, probably due to the history of how the name came to be. The problem with the so-called geocentric model is claiming planets revolve around the earth in circular orbits not that the sun revolves around the earth. The thing that people don't note that all motion is relative, you can't say "x is moving" without saying relative to what is it moving. If you chose the sun as the frame of reference, then the earth would be revolving around the sun, the planets would be revolving around the sun, but the moon would be revolving still around the earth [in circles]. While if you chose the earth as the frame of reference, then the sun would be revolving around the earth, the moon would be revolving around the earth, but the planets would be revolving around the sun.
Think of it as if you were levitating over the earth and looked around you at the solar system, you'd see the earth being the frame of reference scenario, while if you were levitating over the sun, you'd see the sun being the frame of reference scenario. This isn't some "physics thing;" this is simply a fact. You can't say something is moving and something isn't without saying relative to what(in everyday life, we assume the frame of reference is a point on earth's surface). So really even if the Quran explicitly says the sun revolves around the earth, that is just as accurate as saying the earth revolves around the sun.
This argument is just as dumb as the argument in the video! Bring on more childish arguments!
"Do you not see that Allah causes the night to enter the day and causes the day to enter the night and has subjected the sun and the moon, each running [its course] for a specified term, and that Allah, with whatever you do, is Acquainted?"
(QS. Luqman 31: Verse 29)
This specific Quran verses makes it very clear that the Quran supports geocentrism. The verse says ( do you not see) that ( Allah has subjected the sun running in it's orbit or a specific term) meaning what ever the sun's orbit is it is something that can be seen other translations says ( do you not not consider) implying that the orbit of the sun is something that was acknowledged at the time But the galactic orbit can't be seen nor was it known at that time. the only orbit that the sun seemingly makes is the orbit from East to west This is the only orbit of the sun that can be seen by the people are was acknowledged as an orbit at the time. And in the ancient times it was a absolutely universal belief that the sun orbits the earth. And this verse is clearly referring to that ancient belief .
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.🔥
Al-Kahf 18:77
فَٱنطَلَقَا حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَآ أَتَيَآ أَهْلَ قَرْيَةٍ ٱسْتَطْعَمَآ أَهْلَهَا فَأَبَوْا۟ أَن يُضَيِّفُوهُمَا فَوَجَدَا فِيهَا جِدَارًا يُرِيدُ أَن يَنقَضَّ فَأَقَامَهُۥۖ قَالَ لَوْ شِئْتَ لَتَّخَذْتَ عَلَيْهِ أَجْرًا
So they set out, until when they came to the people of a town, they asked its people for food, but they refused to offer them hospitality. And they "found" therein a wall about to collapse, so he restored it. said, "If you wished, you could have taken for it a payment."
IN THE WORLD WALL ABOUT TO COLLAPSE ONLY HAPPENS IN THAT PLACE ONLY?😂😂😂😂
🔥🔥An-Nur 24:39
وَٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوٓا۟ أَعْمَٰلُهُمْ كَسَرَابٍۭ بِقِيعَةٍ يَحْسَبُهُ ٱلظَّمْـَٔانُ مَآءً حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا جَآءَهُۥ لَمْ يَجِدْهُ شَيْـًٔا وَوَجَدَ ٱللَّهَ عِندَهُۥ فَوَفَّىٰهُ حِسَابَهُۥۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَرِيعُ ٱلْحِسَابِ
But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he "finds" it is nothing but finds Allāh before him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allāh is swift in account.
NO ONE SEE ALLAH BUT SAID FINDS🎉
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HOT SPRINGS ARE PRESENT IN WORLD 🌍
Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber.
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Mud volcano field of 10 KM WIDE ALSO PRESENT IN THE WORLD 🌍
Does Saudi Arabia have hot springs?
Most hot springs in western Saudi Arabia are associated with the volcanic Harrats, as most springs are situated in areas adjacent to the Harrats towards the Red Sea. Rain water infiltrates the fractures and seeps into the subsurface and accumulates at depths near the magma chamber.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥REALLY WHAT HAPPENS?
Ya Sin 36:40
لَا ٱلشَّمْسُ يَنۢبَغِى لَهَآ أَن تُدْرِكَ ٱلْقَمَرَ وَلَا ٱلَّيْلُ سَابِقُ ٱلنَّهَارِۚ وَكُلٌّ فِى فَلَكٍ يَسْبَحُونَ
It is not allowable [i.e., possible] for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is "swimming."
ITS SWIMMING..ITS CONTINUOUS PROCESS .. NOT LIKE SUN SET AND ITS GOING TO SLEEP..😆
Very good explanation . 👍
Non muslims just wanna find a way to disprove islam by not telling us the exact words of the verse but they say oh quran says it sets in murky water etc but these people will never find their way and disprove islam as allah has preserved this book and it contains no errors .
May allah bless u brother.😊
Please also make a video on that argument that Quran says that sperm comes in between the ribs and backbone
Show me where it says that, Wallahi you will never find it
@@ciismanakh9707 a verse like this is there in quran and its true.
86:6-7
@@ciismanakh9707 Surah Tariq
@@thoufeerbasheer5067 I read that surah and memorized when I was 10 years. The word sperm is not there in the whole surah, and dont know where u got that word sperm from. The Arabic word for sperm is "mani" and one semen is "nutfah" and u can find these words in many places in Quran, but this surah doesnt have any of those two words, rather it says the word "ma" which is fluid and not a sperm. And this fluid originate from the backbone of the male BEFORE it goes down to the testicles and becomes a sperm. So the sperm is produced in the testicles, but the fluid before it is a sperm originates from the backbone of the male, and it mixes with a fluid coming from under the rib of a woman, so you clearly see how it doesnt mention sperm rather it mentions a fluid which originates from the backbone of the male and under the rib of a woman, which is between the backbone and the rib.
We made a video on this topic, would love your thoughts.
m.ua-cam.com/video/ESGr3nxk_NE/v-deo.html
2:58 and they’re done
Just jugglery of words.
He is not explaining real Arabic.
Obviously. An all knowing God would always express himself clearly. Islam is a lie and a joke
says the indian who doesnt know arabic 🤣🤣
@@xkcd_68868 its not gods fault that some people like u try to find mistakesin everything. Does the sun set in the west? yes. doesn't that mean it literally sets in the west? no its from our perspective. use ur brain.
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@@anshumaaan LMAO. if u want to learn physics go to chemistry teacher? U fool are u listening to urself? If u want to learn quran go read the quran lmao. I bet u havent ever opened a quran and just watch videos on it and believe. Go read the quran, read the tafsir and watch videos explaining each verse and then come back. "If you want to learn Quran
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It goes and prostrates beneath the Throne, then it asks for permission (to rise) and permission is given to it. Soon it will prostrate, but it will not be accepted from it, and it will ask for permission (to rise) but permission will not be given to it; it will be said to it: “Go back to where you came from.’ So it will rise from its place of setting and that is what Allah, may He be Glorified, refers to in the verse: ‘And the sun runs its fixed course for a term (decreed). That is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All-Knowing (Qur’an 36:38)'”. What about this I mean how can thousands times bigger star go back the other way around sir
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This is the reason why I left islam
Quran 18:86
I am sure 100% that the Quran is not from Allah
JazakAllahu Khairan Akhi. May Allah Azawajal reward you abundantly in this world and the next. Ameen
I Listened to it at 0.75 speed so brother hijab can breathe. 😂
Bilal Brother' raised a goodu point.
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Until he reached the place when sun set, he viewed it setting in a muddy spring and he saw (in that) region of it (land ) people….18:86
Idha : when
Maghriba l-shams: M with ghariba in the word refers to the place at the time of sunset.
Wajada: view, see, perceive
Inda: the vicinage,or the quarter,tract,region,or place of a person or thing.
You can even explain the perspective argument with the English word “sunset”. We know the “sun” does not actually “settle” at dusk. it is the rotation of the earth that makes it look like it does. So even in the English language, we say the sun sets because of our perspective living on earth and we don’t mean the sun literally “sets” .
True but prophet mo talks about the sun going somewhere after "setting" and THIS is the point non muslims are making... Not that the word "sunset" is used 😂😂😂😂
MashaAllah
Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩.
We don't say,
We go to seabeach for enjoying earth rotating.
We simply say,
We enjoy sunset.
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
এই হাদিসে ভন্ড নবী মুহাম্মদ পৃথিবী ধ্বংস প্রসঙ্গে কিছু ভবিষ্যদ্বানী করেছেন
দিস সংগ্রহ
সহীহ বুখারী ভলিউম 4, বুক 53, হাদিস নম্বর 401।
সহীহ বুখারী বই 53. আল্লাহর পথে লুটের এক-পঞ্চমাংশ (খুমুস)
আউফ বিন মালি (রাঃ) থেকে বর্ণিতঃ আমি তাবুকের গাযওয়ার সময় নবী (সাঃ)-এর কাছে গিয়েছিলাম যখন তিনি চামড়ার তাঁবুতে বসে ছিলেন। তিনি বলেন, “ছয়টি চিহ্ন গণনা কর যা কেয়ামতের আগমন নির্দেশ করে: আমার মৃত্যু, জেরুজালেম বিজয়, একটি মহামারী যা আপনাকে আঘাত করবে (এবং প্রচুর পরিমাণে আপনাকে হত্যা করবে) যে মহামারীটি ভেড়ার উপর আঘাত করে, তাদের সম্পদ বৃদ্ধি। এমন পরিমাণ যে কাউকে একশ দিনার দিলেও সে সন্তুষ্ট হবে না; তারপর একটি দুর্দশা যা থেকে কোন আরব ঘর রেহাই পাবে না, এবং তারপর আপনার এবং বনী আল-আসফার (অর্থাৎ বাইজেন্টাইনদের) মধ্যে যুদ্ধবিরতি হবে যারা আপনার সাথে বিশ্বাসঘাতকতা করবে এবং আশিটি পতাকার নীচে আপনাকে আক্রমণ করবে। প্রতিটি পতাকার নিচে থাকবে বারো হাজার সৈন্য।
মুহাম্মদ মারা গেছে ১৪৫০ বছরেও বেশি হয়ে গেছে পুথিবী ধ্বংস হয় নি ।
জেরুজালেম মুসলমানরা দুইবার দখল করেছে এক বার ১১৮৭ AD এবং ৬৩৬ AD পৃথিবী এখনও ধ্বংস হয় নি
মুহাম্মদের মৃত্যুর পর অনেক ভয়ংকর মহামারী হয়েছে পৃথিবী তাও ধ্বংস হয় নি
বাইজেন্টাইন সম্রাজ্য অনেক যুগ আগেই বিলুপ্তি হয়ে গেছে। তাহলে তারা। মুহাম্মদের কথা মত মুসলমানদের সাথে বিশ্বাসঘাতকতা কীভাবে করবে?। উওরাটা সহজ মুহাম্মদ মনে করে ছিল যে পৃথিবী ধ্বংস তার মৃত্যুর ঠিক পরেই হবে সে বাইজেন্টাইন সম্রাজ্য বিলুপ্তির মতো সুদূর ভবিষ্যতের কথা কল্পনাও করেনি।
মুহাম্মদের সময় থেকে শুরু করে বর্তমান যুগ পর্যন্ত অনেক মহামারী হয়েছে কিন্তু পৃথিবী ধ্বংসের কোনো লক্ষন নেই
একের পর এক একের পর এক মুহাম্মদের ভবিষ্যদ্বাণী ফ্লপ গেছে। মুহাম্মদ যে এক ভন্ড নবী তা দিনের আলোর মতো পরিষ্কার।
JazakAllahu khair!!
Excellent explanation. However, I think it would help to provide quotes from the scholars to drive home the point. That would also make the video more academic.
The Lights of Revelation (p. 399)
Al-Tabari went so far as to say the pool where the sun sets contains lime (see the Concise Interpretation of Tabari, p. 19 of part 2)[1]
The Scholars TOTALLY disagree with him!
@@isaiah68craig36
As for the idea of his reaching the place in the sky where the sun sets, this is something impossible, and the tales told by storytellers that he traveled so far to the west that the sun set behind him are not true at all. Most of these stories come from the myths of the People of the Book and the fabrications and lies of their heretics.
[Tafsir ibn kathir . Tafseer of 18:86]
@@mohammadrakibulhassan9694 It's funny how important Islamic scholars disagreed on what the Quran says. Allah says in the Quran that it's a book with all verses fully explained in detail. Clearly not! He was not a good communicator, otherwise people wouldn't argue.
For example, he says in 21:30 that the Earth and sky were joined and separated, which is clearly wrong (yet all classical tafsir scholars say that's exactly what the Quran meant). In 2:29 he makes the Earth and things on it and THEN he turns to the heavens, which again is clearly wrong (yet all classical tafsir scholars agree with the Quran). So, the best Islamic scholars did not understand the Quran, or the Quran is wrong. How can someone like me today, who has studied astrophysics for many years, think that the Quran is correct when it clearly contradicts the basics of the Big Bang and what the Islamic scholars say the Quran means?
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
@@theastronomer5800could you explain how these verses are wrong instead of just saying “clearly wrong”
MashaAllah
Without lies islam dies😂
Sahih al-Bukhari 3199 Book 59, Hadith 10
The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Apostle know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun Runs its fixed course For a term (decreed). that is The Decree of (Allah) The Exalted in Might, The All- Knowing." (36.38)
its a MAJOR sign of the day of judgement "the sun will rise from the west"
but look at some other signs that the prophet said 1400 years ago that are finally happening "arabic deserts turning green"
"murders increasing"
"men will begin to look like women and women will begin to look like men."
"children will be filled with rage" but ofc, you dont care
There's this channel called Beyond the Lote Tree that did a video based on this only recently. In their findings they found that it could actually not even be about a spring of muddy water but an actual place with that name as its meaning. [Pulalahua volcano crater] Pulalahua means 'cloudy water'. Hence Allah could've been giving us an amazing clue as to the actual location of Dhul Qarnyn's journey at the time. Considering this, we can also be able to get a little bit of a probable location of Gog and Magog's location. 😮 Also as a basis for atheists mocking us for that verse, I wonder if they've ever read a book ever, or done any form of English literature course ever. Descriptions like that aren't that unusual at all...🙄
I really wonder that on the day of judgement.
Atheists are standing in a line and asking, O'Allah i have objection with your justice 😂. You never proved me you are there.
Sorry, No offence!!
@Ines UmBakr that's about hypocrites tho but yeah got you. 😊
To be honest before i started praying 5 times a day this story about the sun made me love Islam more i just don't get why christians view it as an error when in fact thats just metaphorical and kinda funny because even an 3yo understands it. Christians should really look their own bible that teaches them to marry their own aunts and openly speaks about incest and also historical errors. So before judging an easy metaphorical part in our religion you should start with your religious books first.
Edit: no hate but it is what it is🤷♂️
Muslim will understand this but not trinity :D
Talking really fast doesn't make you right
He thinks it does.
He is definitely right, if you are so confident address his claim both of you. You people are easy game. For a fact you people are easy to deal with. The answer was given and you still act in such way perplexes me
@@omarhasan5037 MuhamMADan, have ever read your islamic scripts with brain, or just as a blind muslim? Islam is false and man-made pagan military and political cult from medieval Arabia. Luckily this stupidity collapses.
@@fitzburg63 Islam is pure monotheism. although I am a layman, I can *In Sha Allah* address all the weak claims you can bring. I have dealt with your kind before i have seen the regurgitated arguments your like bring up. You people watch christian princess and david wood even though they have been debunked a number of times.
@@omarhasan5037It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
This is most funniest question people ask about quran as an objection. That makes me laugh 😂
I agree there are so many better ones to pick
@@scooprammer5934 yeah, but in your own narrative
It's funny that how the interpretation of the Quran changes though the ages . Because the early Muslims did thought that the sun sets in a muddy pond
The following is( Tafsir al-Tabari ) which is the first ever commentary on the Quran done by al-tabari who is considered one of the greatest and reliable historian of early Islam
The meaning of the Almighty’s saying, ‘Until he reached the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ is as follows:
When the Almighty says, ‘Until he reached,’ He is addressing Zul-Qarnain. Concerning the verse, ‘the place of the setting of the sun he found it set in a spring of murky water,’ the people differed on how to pronounce that verse. Some of the people of Madina and Basra read it as ‘Hami’a spring,’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring that contains mud. While a group of the people of Medina and the majority of the people of Kufa read it as, ‘Hamiya spring’ meaning that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. The people of commentary have differed on the meaning of this depending on the way they read the verse.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
So al-Tabari says of the Basran reading of the Qur'an:
بـمعنى: أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء ذات حمأة "Meaning: that it sets in a spring of muddy water."
And al-Tabari says of the Kufan reading of the Qur'an:
يعنـي أنها تغرب فـي عين ماء حارّة "It means that it sets in a spring of hot water"
Early authorities such as Ibn 'Abbas explain this to mean that the sun sets in black mud:
(Ibn Abbas was a cousin of Muhammad and close companion. Muhammad reportedly prayed for ibn Abbas to Allah to increase his knowledge on religious matters ( Sahih Bukhari 9:92:375 ) he was known as “the interpreter of the Quran” by Abdullah bin Masud, “ocean of knowledge” and “learned man of the Ummah”. The Islamic literature is full of statements of praise from the earliest Muslims, and prophet Muhammad himself ) . So it no matter of doubt that ibn Abbas is a great scholar of Islam now let's see what he has to say about Quran 18:86
Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-A'la narrated and said: Marwan ibn Mu'awiya narrated from Warqa, he said: I heard Sa'id ibn Jubayr say: Ibn 'Abbas read this letter "in a muddy spring"
and he said: the sun sets in black mud.
Others said: it disappears (تَغِيب) in a hot spring.
Tafsir al-Tabari 18:86
Oh yeah. After combing through early Muslim commentaries it is clear that the early Muslims and scholars who were announced by Muhammad himself believed that the sun actually sinks in a muddy pond . And the modern interpretation is nothing but a futile attempt to save the Quran from drowning in it's own ignorance.
Newspaper television also saying
Today sunset 6 clock
It doesn't mean sunset 6 clock
Because we spoke like that
May I humbly suggest to speak slower and make these answers more accessible to sincere non-Muslims or confused Muslims? Farid's response to this topic was much easier to follow... this comes across as dismissive and argumentative which I'm not sure is the intended effect. May Allah bless you for all your work.
I agree. Its like i was watching it on fast forward mode
لا إله إلا الله
Then why Sunan Abu Dawud say that Muhammad told him the sun sets in a spring of warm water? Stop trying to defend this idiocy. Islam is false
The narration isn’t authentic
If the seven heavens are under the throne of Allah already. Than why did prophet Muhammad asked his companion that: "Do you know where the sun goes at sunset?!"..."it goes underneath the throne of Allah and asks for permission to rise up again. And a day will come where it will not be given permission and it will be said to it (sun) that go back where it came from. And that is when the sun will rise from the West".
And in another hadith prophet Muhammad says that: "Do not perform prayers when the sun rises and when it sets. For, the sun rises between the two horns of the devil and sets between the two horns of the devil".
The other variant of the same sahih hadith says that: "Satan goes and stands in front of a sun at the times of sunset and sunrise to imitate God. So that's why don't pray at these times".
The only problem is that the sun is CONSTANTLY "rising and setting" SIMULTANEOUSLY on someone somewhere.
These 2 above mentioned hadiths can only be true on a Geocentric Flat Earth model. And these hadiths suggest that prophet Muhammad did not knew that the earth is spherical with heliocentric model.
Thus the Quranic verse: Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark water, and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allah] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness." - Surah 18 Verse 86
WHY would Allah mention here what Dhul-Qarnayn saw? What was so special here? Think? Except that Muhammad believed that the earth was flat when he was making up the Quran.
Why Allah is so bad communicator ?
Because Muhammad was illiterate!
@@theastronomer5800 so he couldnt write the quran thank you!
but nah Allah uses parables and metaphors for humans to really understand thinks, this was from HIS perspective, what dont you understand lol
Take some breath Hijab🙂 Excellent response & waiting for more inshaAllah.
ALLAH PAAK bless you brother
So? then where was the place of the setting of the sun? And who are the people who live there? It's quite clear that Mo thought that the earth was flat, so there would have been a place where the sun sets, and people can live there...
No? You do realise thatmany mufasiroon used the Quoranic to prove the earth is round right? And what about murky water and the sun? Even Al Quortobi and innocent taymyah gives tafseer to this verse so you are just in denial really
@@halalshrek1494 You say much, but where's the proof? Tafsir can make black white and white black, I don't care.
The Geographical location of this event may have been discovered.
@@Oxygen11115 I'm very curious, surprise me
@@halalshrek1494 I'm actually very much in denial. I found the explanations of Al Qurtubi and others online. They just don't convince me; that's all.
And that's precisely because Muslims claim that Allah is the real writer of the Quran, it is exactly as he gave it to Jibreel, who then gave it to Mohammed, who then gave it to his followers. Possibilities enough for errors to sneak in, I would say.
And why would Allah make such obvious mistakes? You can always try to reason them away, and that's what I basically see happening every time: it says this, but what is really meant is that. Too convenient for me.
Masha Allah
May Allah guide these critics, they are intentionally supposing mistakes in Qur'an. The problem & confusion appeared to those non arab Muslims and non Muslims who never read and understand the whole context.
1:10 chuckles at the yes he just said at 1:06
Surah 18:86 - 'Until, when he reached THE SETTING OF THE SUN, he found IT SET IN a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness" ..Annd ut says he reached the SETTING place of the sun. He also FOUND it SET in a murky spring. He literally believed the sun set in a murky spring a lied and claim the place it SET was found. (P.s Dont look at the size of the sun from our modern perspective, back then they thought the sun, moon, and stars were small. Your quran has other texts that confirm that as well.)
Back than nobody tought the sun and the moon are small wtf you saying 🤣🤣🤣 you dont even know arabic bro wajada has different meanings and one best meaning is he viewed and he found it as if, bro you are too desperate broo 🤣🤣
@@spajjilakhas8678 That was a year ago and I learned its no point of arguing about it. I just hope that you take time and look at your religion and question whats its really about. What purpose does it serve?
Its supposed to be from the same God of the bible and torah and its supposed to correct the incorrect teachings of them both (especially the bible from what you guys say).
The torah is about preparing for the coming of the messiah and him bringing his kingdom to Earth.
Christianity is about the arrival of the messiah (Jesus and how he is our lord and saviour and through him we recieve grace and are accepted into his kingdom)
Islam is about what? ..It completely invalidates the whole purpose of what God has planned for us.
How can you say that your religion comes from my God when you all deny Christ as the messiah and just call him a prophet?
So who is the messiah then? its not muhammad, he is just a prophet and the last one at that (so you say).
Not only that, In your Quran it even states that the torah and bible are valid (albeit a bit "Corrupt"). So how can you say that these sources are correct when it completely invalidates the whole purpose of the Quran??
Thats like a sequel to naruto comes out and they say well he was never the hokage and was only a sensei and he never beat madara.
Anyone who watches naruto could tell you easily that that wouldnt make much sense.
Im not here to mock you or offend you. I just want you to see the truth.
Bro Arabic is my mother language and حَتَّىٰٓ إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ ٱلشَّمْسِ this doesn’t mean what you mean at all😂. It means this he took a path until he reached the furthest part of the earth that he walks in from the direction of sunset, which is the setting of the earth.
@@youssefamr8073 Read my comment above yours. Im no longer debating about it, the truth is something you have to seek. I cant force it on you
@@BruhPoole and same for you. Please read quran and watch islamic videos and save yourself. You’re worshipping a pagain god
I need to go back to school and college and maybe get a place in uni then 😉 me back and listen to understand.
You talk a lot, but you say nothing! So lets dissect this, First of all, "Who is Duhl Quarnane?" If you can find him anywhere in history please let me know. Secondly, "Why did this guy travel west?" If you want to see the sun set, just stand still and wait! you'll see it ''set'' in the west, but by this story he went west to find where it sets. Thirdly, "Why did he 'reach the setting place' ?" He reached it, he got there, it was a geographical location, it was a place. Fourth, "There he found it, what is that word? Wojida? " You say it was his perspective? well, did he find people by his perspective? were they there or not? He found the place , and he found a people, no perspective. OK, so you say that that word can have five meanings, well that doesn't make for a very clear quran now does it, sounds to me like a very muddled quran, so which one is it. So , he went "WEST", he "FOUND" the "PLACE", the same as him going EAST to find the rising PLACE of the sun. And last, and probably the most important, If this story was in ANY OTHER book you'd hold it up to ridicule and laugh at that religion, and you'd say, "Look at this foolishness, you can't believe that that book comes from God, God would never say that!" but it's in the quran so you have no choice but to try so desperately to defend it, HYPOCRIT!!
Oh, one more thing, HOLES IN THE NARRITIVE
Ma shaa Allah
Obviously later Muslims realized the literal view was untenable and allegorized it. But the earliest interpretation appears to be the literal one, e.g., as attested in al-Tabari, that hadith from Abu Dawud, etc.
Desperate..
nah bro he running out of time it was almost duhur
The MIRACLE of REINTRERPRETATION!!!
You're so funny Hibjab 🤣
How do Muslims sleep at night with all this deceit & lies in their mouths. The context of these verses suggest a traveler tracing the path of the setting sun and describes where he sees the sun set. This is not a metaphor, this travelers is convinced the sun sets in a murky/muddy springs, even says he found people close by this location.
Notice the word that is used in verse 86, "near it, yes near where the sun set", this is a physical location description of the event, does this seriously suggest it is a metaphor? No, so why must Muslims persistently lie & try and deceive anyone into believing this verse is nothing but figuratively saying the "sun sets in murky/muddy water"....it is not, period.
it's here in black & white, what are you guys really denying?
[Surah 18:84-86]
84. Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends.
85. One way he followed,
86. Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Facts bro. The denial is unreal. They deny out of pure embarrassment lol
LOL. So when the sun “sets” ya’ll see it set in a specific direction right? So Ya’ll can’t use it as a reference to tell directions to places..like “oh near the sunset” or in that direction? u can’t say that?😂😂..u can’t say go in the direction of where the sun sets? Or this is located on that side? As in the nearest to that area? (Which is furthest west ish)
@@gegeeh.a8328 What about if you go to the Arctic Circle, it doesn't set there during the summers...
Such a mind wash comedian 😂😂😂😂
It was narrated by Abu Dharr in Dawud 4002. Why do you first take pride in what the quran says, and then dismiss this sahih hadith which says the same? Really illogical.
It is allah speaking in chapter 18, not DQ. So your explanation that it was from DQ is simply false; it doesn’t even use the word ‘see’ or ‘observe’. You insert that in the text first so that you can give an explanation about a modified quran. Why do you correct your prophet?
Ibn Kathir says this is the most western place on earth. Which means that he believed the earth is flat and as such claims the quran says that mohammed believed the earth is flat.
You don’t have to travel anywhere to see the sun set; it happens everywhere every day. Allah says DQ found the place where the sun disappears from visibility on the earth, which is the only way this verse nakes sense. So allah didn’t know the sun sets everywhere, but points out 1 specific place. That, Hijab, is really dumb.
Lol that Hadith isn’t even authentic. Debunked
@@yousef_afc9363 Why did Muslims make soooooooooo many fake "sahih" hadiths? I was always told that the early Muslims memorized the Quran and what Muhammad said VERY accurately, that there are all these isnads that give the chains of transmission and that great scholars like al-Bukhari spent their whole lives collecting and checking all these hadiths to make sure they are authentic... all for nothing it would seem.
It's funny that today Muslims get so angry over cartoons, but the don't get angry that for generations Muslims made so many fake stories about their prophet. By the way, is this hadiths also fake?
Al-Aawad and Hammam reported A'isha as saying: I used to scrape off the (drop of) semen from the garment of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). - Sahih Muslim 288b
It's sahih, but I'm not sure... there are many others that say the same thing, do you think they are all fake and "debunked"?
Mashallah, keep up good work
Great video
Quran clearly mentions that Dhul Kar Nayeen reached the setting place of the sun & he found it setting in a muddy spring. Now if it just a pov why then quran talks about reaching the setting place of the sun. Do any of the paper or news says that the sun sets in it's setting place? Also a sun set can be observed only if there is water spread until the horizon which is impossible in case of a spring and no sea on earth is muddy and also the word 'hamiah' is never used in arabic to mean sea or ocean. Also quran mentions three journeys of Dhul Kar Nayeen. One until he reached the setting place of the sun, another until he reached the rising place of the sun and lastly until he reached the pass between two mountains. The same word has been used to mean 'reach' on all the verses and the pass of two mountains wasn't a pov of Dhul Kar Nayeen but an actual place where there exists two mountains. So if setting place and rising place was a pov why the word has been used? Now there is also a sahih graded hadith in Sunan abi Dawud about Muhammad talking that sun sets in a muddy spring. Also the story of Dhul kar nayeen very closely resembles the Syriac Alexander Romance whose oral version is the source of quranic Dhul kar nayeen tale. In Syriac alexander romance, Alexander reached the end of the world and find the setting place of the sun and sun also sets in a muddy spring. Alexander also reaches where the sun rises and this is also mentioned in the quran and in Syriac legend Alexander reached a mountain pass and then build wall which is also found in quran. Now the syriac legend's written form dates about 630 Ad where sura kahf of quran was made in between 615-619 Ad. But that gives no chance to say that Syriac legend is influenced by Quranic Dhul kar nayeen tales because before taking into written form this legend was common folk story througout syria and surrounding regions and Syriac legend gives much more details than qurans few lines version. And also Sura kahf was made in meccan period when Muhammad was considered nothing more of a mad man and only a handful of people accepted islam. And syriac legend were written by Syrian christians who were definitely not inspired by muhammad's stories. But muhammad went frequently in syria before claiming to be a prophet and most probably heard this legend from people there and thats why he was unable give much details in his made up verses but only talks about common points which are going at the end of the world and reaching setting place of the sun, reaching the rising place of the sun, reaching mountain pass and so on. Also early muslims including al tabari believed that sun literally sets in a muddy spring. Tabari mentioned in his history of prophets and kings that people of basra and another city had difference by what kind of spring the set in. One group thought it sets in a hot spring and other group thought it sets in a muddy spring. Tabari said that he find both thought correct as the spring can be hot and muddy. There are many other examples who believed that the sun literally sets in a muddy spring. It was not until Ptolemy's work translated in arabic and then people come to know that the sun is bigger than the earth and then ibn kathir and others started to give pov explanations. But quran meant it literally.
If Islam (the Quran and Sunnah) only explained natural phenomena from a human perspective, it would mean that humans were the ones who produced and wrote the Quran
But please apply the same when referring to the Bible. Here you are correcting a wrong but to the Christian you say it is corrupted. Lets use the same measurements everywhere.
Peace and love from Jesus.
Alhamdullilah
Qur'an chapter 18 verse 86 states that "he found it setting in a spring of black muddy water"
It is a description of Black Sea.
If a person stands at the shores of Black Sea then it would appear to him just as it did with Dhul Qarnain that the Sun is setting in Black muddy water.
Check "Black Sea sunset" images and do your research on Black Sea.
Even today newspapers don't correct their mistakes of providing time of the sunset and the sunrise.
Helping the algorithm
Great video!
My Bro, You gotta give me em Blue Glasses 👓
The best proof that its not meant in the literal sense is that,
A couple verses later it says he found the sun rise on people. This proves that it's not in the literal sense. The traveler knew when he encountered those people the sun was no where near him or them, but though Allah said he found it rise on them. Clearly it's not literal.
Masha Allah keep it up
Beautifull
assalamualaikum, ustadz I want to ask, we as Muslims have no doubts about the verses of the Koran about Zulkarnain's view of seeing the sun set in black mud, but what if there is a hadith of the prophet saying: I (=Abu Dzar) once rode the Messenger of Allah SAW on a donkey when the sun is in the west. Then he said: "Do you know where the sun sets?" I replied: "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said: "Surely the sun sets in the BLACK MUD (= aynin) SPRINGS". (Hadith HR. Abu Daud, no. 3488). please explain ustadz... thank you
The Quran contains many Prophecies that have been fulfilled,
The first two prophecies are noteworthy: unlike any other world scripture, the Quran prophesizes its own preservation under divine care, and we will demonstrate how it actually occurred.
The Protection of the Quran from Corruption
The Quran makes a claim no other religious text makes, that God Himself will keep its text safe from alteration. God says:
"Behold, it is We Ourselves who have gradually revealed this reminder, and, behold, it is We who shall truly guard it [from all corruption]." (Quran 15:9)
The Ease of Memorizing the Quran
God has made the Quran easy to memorize:
"And in truth We have made the Quran easy to remember; who, then, is willing to take it to heart?" (Quran 54:17)
The ease with which Quran is memorized is inimitable. There is not a single scripture or religious text in the world that is as easy to memorize; even non-Arabs and children commit it to memory easily. The entire Quran is memorized by almost every Islamic scholar and hundreds of thousands of ordinary Muslims, generation after generation. Almost every Muslim has some portion of the Quran memorized to read in his prayers.
The Twofold Prophecy
Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610-641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590-628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion.
In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.[2]
The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia. To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful:
"The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful." (Quran 30:2-5)
The Quran made a prophecy of two victories:
(i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time
(ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans
Both of these prophecies actually occured.
In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host. A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.[3]
Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr.
In the words of an Indian scholar:
"…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All this proves the Holy Quran to be the Book of God."[4]
The Prophecy of Pagan Defeat
The Quran predicted the defeat of unbelievers in Mecca while Prophet Muhammad and his followers were still being persecuted by them:
"Or do they (the Meccan disbelievers) say: ‘We are a great multitude, and we shall be victorious?’ Their multitude will be defeated, , and they shall turn their backs [in flight]!" (Quran 54:45)
The prophecy was revealed in Mecca, but was fulfilled at the Battle of Badr, two years after the Prophet’s migration to the city of Medina.
The Fate of Specific Individuals
Waleed ibn Mugheera was a staunch enemy who openly ridiculed the Quran:
"Then said he: "This is nothing but magic, derived from of old; this is nothing but the word of a mortal!" (Quran 74:24-25)
The Quran prophesized he will never accept Islam:
"Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire! And what will explain to thee what Hell-Fire is? It leaves naught nor does it spare aught." (Quran 74:26-28)
Waleed died in a state of disbelief as prophesized by the Quran.
Also, concerning Abu Lahab, a fiery opponent of Islam, the Quran foretold he will die opposing the religion of God:
"May the hands of Abu Lahab perish, and [indeed] he has perished. His wealth and gains will not profit him. He will be plunged in flaming Fire." (Quran 111:1-3)
Specifically, three prophecies were made about Abu Lahab:
(i) The conspiracies of Abu Lahab against the Prophet would not succeed.
(ii) His wealth and children would not benefit him.
(iii) He would die opposing God’s religion and enter the Fire.
Abu Lahab also died in a state of disbelief as prophesized by the Quran. Had Waleed or Abu Lahab accepted Islam even outwardly, they would have disproved its prophecies and thus its heavenly source!
In addition, Abu Lahab had four sons, two of whom died at a young age during his lifetime. The other two sons and a daughter embraced Islam and frustrated his hopes! Finally, he died of a plague; people would not touch his body out of fear of contamination and dumped mud and stones on him where he died to make it his grave.
A key foundation to believing that a scripture is actually a revelation of God is internal truth, whether it be in regards to occurrences in the past, to come in the future, or in contemporary ages. As one can see, there are many prophecies mentioned in that which is to come, some of which were fulfilled in the Prophet’s lifetime, or have been fulfilled since his death, while others are yet to appear
Why didnt Allah save qoran from being eaten by farm animals? Muhammad's wife has told us that secret.
Why are Islam countries poor?
@@Darkangel01966 oh u mean Dubai , Qatar, Kuwait…..
Great
Hijab brother is just crazy 😸.I love him 🥇🖤
@Al Mudarabah thanks bro,im seven heavens doubt are clear
@Al Mudarabah ohhhh, thanks
We see the sun set in the sea (in arabic bahr) because seas extend to the horizon, the verse says a muddy hot spring (in arabic ain).. there’s no spring that extends to the horizon let there be a hot muddy spring that can’t exist if it was a bit too vast or shallow.. if it was a metaphor whats the purpose of mentioning that dhul-Qarnayn saw the sunset in the muddy spring as an illusion? I can see the sunset as an illusion without being dhul-qarnayn and without travelling all over the world.. you see what I mean?
how about this hadith:
عن أبي ذر رضي الله عنه قال: قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لأبي ذر حين غربت الشمس: «أتدري أين تذهب؟» قلت: الله ورسوله أعلم. قال: «فإنها تذهب حتى تسجد تحت العرش، فتستأذن فيؤذن لها، ويوشك أن تسجد فلا يقبل منها، وتستأذن فلا يُؤْذَن لها يقال لها: ارجعي من حيث جئت، فتطلع من مغربها، فذلك قوله تعالى: {والشمس تجري لمستقر لها ذلك تقدير العزيز العليم} [يس: 38]».
[صحيح] - [متفق عليه]
Weak
Akhi can you slow down,
keep calm you're a Muslim
specially when clarifying the teachings of our beautiful DEEN Al ISLAM❤
The word مغرب came from the word غرب يغرب which means to set in west specifically for sun so it’s clear it’s set’s in the west not in the water الله اعلم
So Allah WITNESSED Dhul Qarnayn FINDING the sun setting in a spring.
Maybe the book was wrong sir.
In verse, it says "he found it set in a spring of murky water" "set" in this verse is "Tagrubu" and this is not using for physical settings.
Im native arabic, and we never had problem with this, even arab atheist did not say anything agains this because simply the word "تغرب" taghrubu mean to disappear which have nothing to do with setting!
It's one of the worst attacks of islamophobes I've ever seen
"the sun sets in a muddy spring" - how dare you trying to justify that literal error?