It's a netflix documentary about a man that the majority of their subscription-base has never heard of. It's also a documentary that had finished its interviews and likely used up its budget by the time the lawsuit came out and they had to go back and edit the whole thing again to change the tone of the project. I have seen a lot of people complaining as if this needed to be some groundbreaking revelation about Vince made especially of extremely online, wrestling-twitter types. I don't understand these people. I've watched 2 episodes and it's perfectly fine for what it is and very consumable for passive viewers. It's also the first netflix show I've seen that doesn't try to manipulate you into watching the next episode right away, and I appreciate that.
It bothered me that Meltzer repeated the misconception about Owen's blood being on the ring at Over the Edge. That bloodstain was from a Brood bloodbath on Sunday Night Heat earlier in the evening.
@@POSTWrestling I'm glad John tried to dispel the misinformation of that stain that's been incorrectly reported for 25+ years. I wish he had pushed back on Bix's claim that he could tell by looking at a screenshot of the stain that that's where Owen fell. The screenshot in question was from Hardcore Holly vs. Al Snow which was the second match and before Owen fell.
This is the best review/reaction video to the documentary. Concise and to the point with interesting commentary/opinion. Other reviewers are doing two hour recap videos after we've just watched 6 hours 😅 Thank you both for your service.
Thanks for listening. We're doing a series with more detailed thoughts on each episode as well. Perhaps worth checking out after a bit of a break from the material. -W
Couple things: It was definitely a choice to interview Phil Mushnick and not Jerry Lawler or especially Jim Ross. Mushnick has wrote for decades about how bad wrestling is, insulting fans and our families along the way. The guy's creditability is so outdated and insulting. He's just an old man who was raised in the 1950s that's got a legitimate vendetta against the wrestling business. Read the papers. Mushnick of course brings to light some important, yet obvious issues we all know and have known about. It's not like he's some heroic whistleblower. No, he's just an angry old man with seriously unfounded harsh feelings against an entire community of people. Mushnick wasn't writing these pieces for the benefit of all mankind and for us, the fans. No, he wanted the entire business to cease to exist. Lots of focus on current allegations, which was obvious. Not one question regarding WWE doing storylines after a few guys passed. Like endlessly working Eddie's death into storylines. Constantly exploiting the deaths of their talent. It was six hours of Vince explaining his serious daddy issues. There's not one piece of archival footage we haven't seen before. The WrestleMania 1 footage of Liberace and Ali, with Hogan and T walking down the hallway. Yep, got it. Lots of recycled documentary stuff that's been done and re-done to death over the last 25 years. If Vince didn't have an entire catalog chronicling this stuff and releasing it on DVD, the yeah, some of this shit could've been cool. Found it to be a safe, yet sensationalistic piece that sort of left out most of the drama, except for the shit we've known about all our lives already. It was obviously made by a non- wrestling fan. I hate the allegations against Vince as much as anyone. But I thought the part on Rita Chatterton was interesting. Believe she was on Donahue and mentioned Vince saying something to the effect of, "If you want a million dollar contract, you've gotta satisfy me". It was 1984. In what world is a referee getting a million dollars a year? I just thought it was a super odd and out place thing to say. And I've never heard Rita actually say that, except for that old footage. It's like such a random number to pull from the air. The clip is taken out of context but I just thought it was suspicious to say the least. Especially because I don't think Chatterton has mentioned that figure or a dollar amount in the alleged assault since then. Even if it was a sexual assault for the million dollar contract conversation, I don't think Vince could've afforded it in 1984. Idk, just that tiny clip made me raise my eyebrows a bit. But they've settled out of court in 2023, which is basically an admittance of guilt 40 years later. Not one mention of Crockett, which I thought was necessary. Especially because Crockett was Vince's main competition in the 80s, which would morph into his biggest competition of the 90s. Not a peep about it. They didn't mention Vince expanding on PPV and how the monthly PLE business model is still being used today. His impact on Pay-Per-View alone was massive and overlooked here. Expanding into other huge events like Survivor Series, SummerSlam and the Rumble. Not a peep. The stuff on Owen was difficult to watch. Nauseating watching the footage of these guys work right over the bloodstains of Owen Hart, like it's nothing. The whole situation is just gross. Pieces like this one make you realize how immature and mentally unstable most of these Uber rich and successful people are. Vince is the type of guy who never dealt with one single bit of negativity or regret. Two very important and necessary tools you need to mature and grow as a man. It's like Vince wanted to work 24 hours in the day so he didn't have to deal with grief, sadness or death; regret, sorrow or empathy. All necessary shit you've gotta handle as a human being.
I binged it too, i couldnt sleep, I just had that on my mind, tossing and turning. I wouldnt recommend, but I couldnt stop watching? I really wanted to get to the Janel Grant lawsuit
The Vince McMahon Netflix docuseries didn't cover anything new. We didn't get nothing out of the sexual allegations and the Janel Grant case. The show was more about the history of WWE. We didn't get to hear Cena, Shane, Stephanie, Austin, Bret, Taker, Prichard and the other wrestlers responses of how they feel about Janel Grant. Do they know her, and believe her? They also failed to show Stephanie McMahon's response about the Ashley Massaro incident where Steph was accused of covering up. And they didn't have Stephanie explain her WWE departures.
The "Mr. McMahon" series felt like any other WWE produced series, everything in the series was public knowledge and if I were to compare it to any episode in the 30 for 30 series it's pretty disappointing. Their are no revelations or really even fresh prospectives on such well trodden ground. If anything this oddly felt like Netflix trying to clear the air before they start their WWE programming.
@@CA_I honestly you don't need to watch it , it's incredibly bloated and aimed solely for a very broad audience. Bill Simmons the executive producer and David Shoemaker one of the productions in house talking heads have both stated this series isn't made for wrestling fans it's made for someone who has never watched wrestling .
I would have liked to see more of a character study of Vince. Beyond all of his perversions and narcissism, the guy did prove at times that he was a genius and I hoped to see more of that. The end product I enjoyed but it felt like 'the history of WWE' instead of a doc on Vince.
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The series doesn’t bury Vince because Vince does that job himself. Really cleverly done. I felt Bret, Atlas and Meltzer came off especially well
Bret came off like a narcissistic lunatic saying he initially thought Vince murdered his brother just to get back at him
@@waynetables6414 In his shoes I could see why
Honestly if you don't know Vince episode 2 is the real episode 6
It's a netflix documentary about a man that the majority of their subscription-base has never heard of. It's also a documentary that had finished its interviews and likely used up its budget by the time the lawsuit came out and they had to go back and edit the whole thing again to change the tone of the project.
I have seen a lot of people complaining as if this needed to be some groundbreaking revelation about Vince made especially of extremely online, wrestling-twitter types. I don't understand these people.
I've watched 2 episodes and it's perfectly fine for what it is and very consumable for passive viewers. It's also the first netflix show I've seen that doesn't try to manipulate you into watching the next episode right away, and I appreciate that.
I agree, unfortunately these online wrestling fans are so negative and will complain about everything
It bothered me that Meltzer repeated the misconception about Owen's blood being on the ring at Over the Edge. That bloodstain was from a Brood bloodbath on Sunday Night Heat earlier in the evening.
Pollock & Bix have a conversation about this very point in the latest Pollock & Thurston: ua-cam.com/users/liveeYzQFHZBw1Y
@@POSTWrestling I'm glad John tried to dispel the misinformation of that stain that's been incorrectly reported for 25+ years. I wish he had pushed back on Bix's claim that he could tell by looking at a screenshot of the stain that that's where Owen fell. The screenshot in question was from Hardcore Holly vs. Al Snow which was the second match and before Owen fell.
22:57; he literally did this in the "McMahon" dvd released on dvd in August 2006.
In all my years of being a wrestling fan.....Shane is literally THE ONLY McMahon I have AAAAANY respect for!!!
This is the best review/reaction video to the documentary. Concise and to the point with interesting commentary/opinion.
Other reviewers are doing two hour recap videos after we've just watched 6 hours 😅
Thank you both for your service.
Thanks for listening. We're doing a series with more detailed thoughts on each episode as well. Perhaps worth checking out after a bit of a break from the material. -W
I don’t know where the idea that CC didn’t want to go back to TNA came from.
Vince Diddy-ed HIMSELF.....FOR....YEEEEEEARS!!!
Three Vince gulps out of five.
I felt like the Austin comment was about the Benoit suicide murder.
Couple things:
It was definitely a choice to interview Phil Mushnick and not Jerry Lawler or especially Jim Ross. Mushnick has wrote for decades about how bad wrestling is, insulting fans and our families along the way. The guy's creditability is so outdated and insulting. He's just an old man who was raised in the 1950s that's got a legitimate vendetta against the wrestling business. Read the papers. Mushnick of course brings to light some important, yet obvious issues we all know and have known about. It's not like he's some heroic whistleblower. No, he's just an angry old man with seriously unfounded harsh feelings against an entire community of people. Mushnick wasn't writing these pieces for the benefit of all mankind and for us, the fans. No, he wanted the entire business to cease to exist.
Lots of focus on current allegations, which was obvious. Not one question regarding WWE doing storylines after a few guys passed. Like endlessly working Eddie's death into storylines. Constantly exploiting the deaths of their talent.
It was six hours of Vince explaining his serious daddy issues.
There's not one piece of archival footage we haven't seen before. The WrestleMania 1 footage of Liberace and Ali, with Hogan and T walking down the hallway. Yep, got it.
Lots of recycled documentary stuff that's been done and re-done to death over the last 25 years. If Vince didn't have an entire catalog chronicling this stuff and releasing it on DVD, the yeah, some of this shit could've been cool.
Found it to be a safe, yet sensationalistic piece that sort of left out most of the drama, except for the shit we've known about all our lives already. It was obviously made by a non- wrestling fan.
I hate the allegations against Vince as much as anyone. But I thought the part on Rita Chatterton was interesting. Believe she was on Donahue and mentioned Vince saying something to the effect of, "If you want a million dollar contract, you've gotta satisfy me".
It was 1984. In what world is a referee getting a million dollars a year? I just thought it was a super odd and out place thing to say. And I've never heard Rita actually say that, except for that old footage. It's like such a random number to pull from the air. The clip is taken out of context but I just thought it was suspicious to say the least. Especially because I don't think Chatterton has mentioned that figure or a dollar amount in the alleged assault since then. Even if it was a sexual assault for the million dollar contract conversation, I don't think Vince could've afforded it in 1984. Idk, just that tiny clip made me raise my eyebrows a bit. But they've settled out of court in 2023, which is basically an admittance of guilt 40 years later.
Not one mention of Crockett, which I thought was necessary. Especially because Crockett was Vince's main competition in the 80s, which would morph into his biggest competition of the 90s. Not a peep about it.
They didn't mention Vince expanding on PPV and how the monthly PLE business model is still being used today. His impact on Pay-Per-View alone was massive and overlooked here. Expanding into other huge events like Survivor Series, SummerSlam and the Rumble. Not a peep.
The stuff on Owen was difficult to watch. Nauseating watching the footage of these guys work right over the bloodstains of Owen Hart, like it's nothing. The whole situation is just gross.
Pieces like this one make you realize how immature and mentally unstable most of these Uber rich and successful people are. Vince is the type of guy who never dealt with one single bit of negativity or regret. Two very important and necessary tools you need to mature and grow as a man. It's like Vince wanted to work 24 hours in the day so he didn't have to deal with grief, sadness or death; regret, sorrow or empathy. All necessary shit you've gotta handle as a human being.
EVER SEE THE HISTORY OF WWE DVD? PRETTY SIMILAR.
I watched the movie there will be blood last week and Vince reminded me way too much of Daniel Day Lewis’s character from that movie.
I binged it too, i couldnt sleep, I just had that on my mind, tossing and turning. I wouldnt recommend, but I couldnt stop watching? I really wanted to get to the Janel Grant lawsuit
The Vince McMahon Netflix docuseries didn't cover anything new. We didn't get nothing out of the sexual allegations and the Janel Grant case. The show was more about the history of WWE. We didn't get to hear Cena, Shane, Stephanie, Austin, Bret, Taker, Prichard and the other wrestlers responses of how they feel about Janel Grant. Do they know her, and believe her? They also failed to show Stephanie McMahon's response about the Ashley Massaro incident where Steph was accused of covering up. And they didn't have Stephanie explain her WWE departures.
The "Mr. McMahon" series felt like any other WWE produced series, everything in the series was public knowledge and if I were to compare it to any episode in the 30 for 30 series it's pretty disappointing. Their are no revelations or really even fresh prospectives on such well trodden ground. If anything this oddly felt like Netflix trying to clear the air before they start their WWE programming.
I need to watch it myself, but this was always what I thought would happen.
@@CA_I honestly you don't need to watch it ,
it's incredibly bloated and aimed solely for a very broad audience.
Bill Simmons the executive producer and David Shoemaker one of the productions in house talking heads have both stated this series isn't made for wrestling fans it's made for someone who has never watched wrestling .
I would have liked to see more of a character study of Vince. Beyond all of his perversions and narcissism, the guy did prove at times that he was a genius and I hoped to see more of that. The end product I enjoyed but it felt like 'the history of WWE' instead of a doc on Vince.
vince is a innocent man he did not do a thing those girls are gold diggers that made up those storys i stand with vince
Ain't no way his name is Wai Ting. That's a stage name, right?