Micro-LED vs. Mini-LED TVs, Shouldn't All Blu-Ray Players Be Equal? | You Asked Ep. 28
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- On today’s episode of YouAsked: How does brightness and tone mapping affect SDR content? Or Does it? Aren’t all Blu-ray Players basically the same? What’s the difference between mini LED and Micro LED? And when is TCL’s monstrous 115-inch 5,000 NIT TV gonna come out?
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“Ferrari vs. Chevy.” TV’s touting the LED acronym have always been tricking consumers. Caleb touched on this very briefly, but the only true LED’s used in TV’s has been as a backlight in transmissive sets. It’s always been an LCD set. The most important distinction between micro LED and any other form of LED tv is that micro LED panels are emissive, just like plasma and OLED. All of the “qled” and “mini” LED sets are just LCD panels - there’s a huge difference.
Thank you for explaining Micro LED and Mini LED! Definitely wondered that one myself!
Micro LED is the first LED tech that can give OLED a run for it's money. LED TV's don't have burn in problems and if they can make each Micro LED have no bleed to other pixels then you basically have a tv that is capable of what OLED does without the worry for burn in. Micro LED can give inky blacks just like an OLED and super bright highlights, likely much brighter than an OLED.
@@GrawbadYou failed to mention that Micro LED currently consumes more power.
you must stop the FOMO before the FOMO gets started.........
@Worldsbiggestloner So if you get up real close to a TV or computer monitor you can see these little tiny boxes. You might have seen an image with 3 colors right next to each other of pixels. They are very small. Old original LED TV's had one or 2 light sources. Long ones at the top or bottom or on the right and left and they lit up and put light to the back of the TV. That light goes through those pixels to create color which you see. Since the light needs to shine on the entire back of all of the pixels the blacks could look gray, especially in a darker room like one might use when watching a movie but seeable in the day as well.
Mini LED added more lights. They started with some TV's having 8 zones and some with more and progress and now some of them have a few hundred. This improves on the normal LED because if you had black on the bottom left of the tv but light on the top right the bottom left could be truly black because the only light source lit up was the one facing the top right. This has problems because if there are dark and light colors within that led zone then the blacks and darker colors are going to get washed out within that zone.
Micro LED takes it a step further where every pixel should have its own LED, meaning no matter what needs to be lit up the dark areas will stay dark and truly black if needed.
This has been the boon of OLED for a long time, each individual pixel is either on or off so you get true blacks; you could have a bright pixels right next to a dark pixel and the dark one would still be black, but on LED that wasn't possible, on Mini LED that wasn't possible but on Micro LED that is possible.
The only problem with OLED is that it is organic and dims over time which means that the more light or energy used by each pixel the dimmer it gets, which causes burn in of things that stay on the screen for a long time. For a long time this meant that OLED's were not very bright but they have gotten better in that regard because they started putting things on them to cool them and dial up the brightness and they have programs to correct it. The only problem with the programs is that they do work but they can never make dimmed pixels bright again so to fix or clean up burn in they dim down all other pixels permanently which lowers how long the TV can last as it will inherently get dimmer over time.
So Mini LED lots of light sources in the back but still one light source for a large amount of pixels.
Micro LED each pixel has its very own light source.
In reference to the section of the video about blu-ray players, if two players are both set to bit-stream audio, the signal received at the processor should be identical, no matter the quality of the player. I’m assuming it would be as is simply pulling raw data off the disc and sending it down the cable.
You would think so but why are expensive transports a thing?
Build quality and longevity
"Obvious" differences between digital sources and interconnects tend to magically disappear in a blind test.
Hi Caleb, I love your You Asked videos and look forward to each new one. So many people have asked questions that i had also. I'm not sure if this question woukd be a good topic for one, but if not hopefully you can answer it. I see so many gorgeous 4K HDR/DV video clips you display when answering someone's question. I would like to download images like for demo material on my Sony OLED when showing it off, however it seems all i can find are videos on UA-cam which won't display in HDR or DV. Can you suggest where to go, or even if their is a good demo 4K Blu-ray that would be great. Thanks, Gary
Hi Caleb, Really enjoy your insights. Is there a way to use apple tv or other streaming devices with the Dragon?
Caleb. I saw/read the article you guys posted about this new physical media disk and how much storage it can hold. My question is, what could this possibly mean for 4K blu-rays? Does this mean that a single disk can potentialy make the quality of one single movie better of the content that it holds, like 8K or even better? As someone who collects physical media still, hearing this news makes me excited but also still nervous about the future of physical media.
Where did you get the Sony 1100ES? Have you compared it to the Sony 800m2?
Hey Caleb and everyone reading this comment, maybe you can answer this question. I have a LG C1 OLED TV. I also have a Panasonic 4K UB 9000 4k Blu-ray player. This 4k player is known for its awesome tone mapping capabilities. I see for the HDR settings in the TV the tone mapping option is set to "ON" for HDR content, The UB9000 also has tone mapping as well which is turned "ON". My question is when watching HDR movies should both HDR tone mapping settings be turned "ON"? If so wouldn't they conflict with each other causing a not so accurate picture?
Does not seem like a good idea to have both on. Both off must be better, but of course you should pick one of them. If you have a very old OLED use the blu-ray player tone mapping. If you have a newer OLED then the TV:s tone mapping might be better. If I were you I would test to see which one is best 🙂
First, Thank You for all You Do! Question for Caleb! Do you have ROKU's latest 120hz HDTV 65R8B5/65R8BX on your radar? Hoping you do a review & your thoughts on how it rates against TCL QM8 & Hisense UK8. Thanks Again.
What about Micro Oled ? Like apple vision pro
Great video Caleb!! I’m excited for the Micro LED revolution that will transform television and bring a whole new viewing experience to the consumer. I do think that the affordability of this new technology for the average consumer is about several years off as well as companies tweaking their factories for mass production, but when it happens it will be a transformative experience for the industry and the consumer as a whole.
At least 10 years away, unfortunately!
In engineering, micrometers (as a unit of measurement) is shortened to Microns. Micrometers is used to refer to the measuring device.
Mi-cro-meter or Mi-crom-eter... Mean the same thing.
Same as Ki-lom-eter and kil-o-metre.
The shorthand for micrometer that everyone who works with things this small is micron. For example, this is how the diameter of the core of fiber optics is listed. It's the exact same distance.
Great job! Interesting questions and answers!!
Sony UBP-X800M2 and Panasonic UB-820 are 2 too mid range 4K Ultra HD Blu ray discsl players on market nearly identical picture quality. But Sony UBP-X800M2 has more features like SACD and DVD Audio
The Panasonic also has an HDR optimizer and supports HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision as well,and you don't have to manually switch to Dolby Vision while playing discs
I have never had a problem with my Sony UBP-X800M2. If you have a Sony TV and/or AV receiver like I do, I would stick with the Sony UltraHD Blu-ray player.
Mixing and matching will probably give you more headaches than just letting Bravia Link figure everything out for you.
820 far superior to anything Sony has to offer
@@reinerogomezjr.7959 in one of the videos Caleb explained the HDR optimizer is a tone mapping feature that is for TV's with budget processors. The processors on top of the line TV's actually tone map better than the Panasonic player.
@@reinerogomezjr.7959 X800M2 better build quality much cheaper also HDR performance between the 2nis very similar from review comparisons
TCL X955 is available in Europe since Q4 2023.
Shows a lot that such video needs to exist... I mean sure, its a dumb naming scheme, but there is no need for a 14min video to explain difference, you just need a wiki.
When will the average consumer be able to afford micro led?
In ten years!
Yeah what the first comment said. I think Micro LED will be relatively affordable between 5-10 years. For affordable gaming monitors (if that will be a thing) think 10+ years
Not anytime soon. Just buy another oled on sale, and hopefully, when it dies micro led will be here.
A micrometer is a measuring tool so it's pronounced 'micro-meter' like you would say microgram.
When will those smaller sized micro led tv's be coming to market?
I recently read they are still 5-7 years away because the cost is so insane right now
Really? Because they came out with the tech over 7 years ago already, and only just a few months ago showing 76 inch models at CES. I was thinking they would probably be in Best Buy by the end of 2024, albeit at higher prices than Oled and then by boxing day of 2025, closer to the prices of Oleds.@@mattspeer01
Yeah what the first comment said. I think Micro LED will be relatively affordable between 5-10 years. For affordable gaming monitors (if that will be a thing) think 10+ years
Too bad Oppo is out of the business now! I love mine and the 7.1 audio inputs for my old Denon 5800 receiver.!
But SDR was retrospectively defined as 100 nits. The fundamental difference between SDR and HDR - the raison d’être of HDR - is that SDR classically sends a signal to tell the screen what to do, whereas HDR tells the TV how bright an image was captured at (and implicitly gets displayed at, but but but but … the more you know, the less you know)
Look: If you want a TV to display a CRT image from 1980 in all its glory, you have to begin with a powerful HDR panel and learn about EOTF and OETF or - simply - use a Sony TV in Sports mode, which emulates a classic video camera and video CRT. A lot of the recent history with HDR and cd/m2 or “nits” has its origins in computer CRTs, which were always wayyy dimmer than TVs.
Caleb, Digital Trends should really look at how their video appear when played at "zoom to fill" on the screen on Android phones. Your head is cropped, some of your texts are cropped. Note that everybody zooms, rarely do we find someone playing the video on its original aspect ratio. Thanks for taking time to read this.
dynamic tone mapping on samsung sony ans lg over exposes detail. static is better. im waiting fot microled
Hey Caleb,
I bought the hisense U8K 100" based on your review and it's working out great so far. Thanks!
My question is related to my audio setup ..so i currently have the Nakamichi Shockwafe Elite 7.2.4 setup with the TV
I am thinking about doing either a sonos or bose home theater setup
sonos:
Sonos Arc soundbar
Sonos era 300 (qty 2)
Sonos Sub (Gen 3)
I checked out your review for this one which got me interested
Bose:
Bose Smart Soundbar 900
Bose Surround Speakers 700
Bose Bass Module 700
Keep in mind my main concern is movies and TV shows i dont listen to music that much.
I will not be using an apple phone for the setup I'm in the android eco system.
Would love to get your recommendation.
Thanks!
Why would you do that?. The Nakamichi is a beast. The bose 900 has problems with disconnections with the other speakers.
@@ChRisu_Ojisan IF sony are the best of best premium brand for tvs, ( In america yes) then whats and who are the equivalent tier for sound bars? Bose? JBL? Sonos? Sony again? LG ? Who?
@@gsst6389 I have the bose 900 in my bedroom and the sony a7000
@gsst6389 I have the bose 900 and keeps disconnecting from the sub in my bedroom and the sony a7000 in my living room.
@@ChRisu_Ojisan soooooo sonos or sony??? 😂
I can buy the X955 85 inch now for 3999 euros, but, no reviews are online, confidnent it'll be fine? or. great even...
Micro metres usually referred to as microns
Anybody know when sony's new tv lineup's being introduced ?
we all want to see what the new Sony MiniLED looks like side-by-side with the A95L
September 2024!
A miCrometer is a tool for measuring things. "Micro Meter" is a dimension
Of course, microLED (or, microOLED) is better than QD-OLED, OLED and miniLED. 📺😎
In Russia, we have x955 85.98 diagonals in our stores worth 5,000 and 7,000 thousand dollars, respectively.
@DM-ei6oo If you wish, come visit, I will be happy to meet you, provide shelter and food, and tell you about Russia.
Micro LED is the first LED tech that can give OLED a run for it's money. LED TV's don't have burn in problems and if they can make each Micro LED have no bleed to other pixels then you basically have a tv that is capable of what OLED does without the worry for burn in. Micro LED can give inky blacks just like an OLED and super bright highlights, likely much brighter than an OLED.
All inaccurate
@@zelko0768 Oh yeah? Care to explain? True Micro LED is per pixel lit just like OLED. The only thing that holds back OLED is brightness levels which is something purposely toned down because OLED is Organic and thus has a burn in issue as each pixel individually dims based on the amount of energy it gives off. Even though they are adding better cooling to them and getting better at it eventually OLED will give way to per pixel lit LED. The burn in programs that run are effective but only because they are toning down the energy and thus brightness on parts of the screen that saw less energy through them which essentially lowers the brightness overall over time.
I am an OLED person as both my TV and computer Monitor are OLED, but I will also follow the best tech over time and when Micro LED is good enough to surpass OLED then I will switch and not before. So for now I am all OLED but my options will always be open.
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My eyes are not 20/20 with glasses. So all blue ray players looks the same to me.
Micrometer is a measuring tool. Instead of saying micro-meter we usually just say micron
Good Stuff!
Can you do a comparison between the X955 vs the UX Highsense TVs?
What was the HDR demo content playing on the TV in the beginning of the tone mapping question (with the seemingly animated house. among other things)?
That is footage from Spears & Munsil UHD HDR Benchmark (UHD Blu-ray Disc).
Can you help me understand why Samsung is raising the prices on their TV’s instead of the dropping?!
TV is still the quality decider
Love the vids
You didn't state if Micro was better than Mini.
Finally an album cover I can’t remember or never knew. 😵💫 Good job. Nice vid. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
For another You Asked question, why is it so hard and expensive to micro-LEDs that small?
The 115" TCL, I think, are only available in China aren't they? Linus Tech Tips had one shipped to his house but it was a logistical nightmare and it BARELY fit through the front door of his house and I think it was around 300 pounds so it took him and three of his friends to wrestle it inside( or was that a Hisense? 😂)
Why bother typing if you’re not even sure about what you’re typing? 💀
Because micro is the prefix to the SI-Unit meter, it's micro-waitforit-meter :)
Micro-meter = size
Micrometer = measuring device
Caleb, do you think micro LED might be better used as a backlight? Replacing OLED backlit tvs?
OLED TV's aren't backlit. Each pixel emits it's own light.
@@burnsyd17 True OLED TV's are self lit, you misread my comment, OLED, LCD backlit TV's do exist. I'm wondering if micro LED, LCD backlit would be a better long term solution.
@rhettthedog7757 What are you talking about? OLED TVs are self emitting, LCD TVs require a backlight which is usually LED in some sort of arrangement. MicLED is small enough to be the pixels themselves, just like OLED.
@@DonnyStanley there are OLED LCD TV's out currently. They use OLED panels as backlight in an LCD TV. LG and Samsung have both released these TV's. They are QD-OLED or quantum dot OLED. Look them up.
Another great video Caleb I do have one question I had a great Sony for my Xbox one and PS4 pro but it will not turn on now I have a 6 series TCL works great with the PS5 but I have to adjust the lighting on the Xbox one x
I think what you said about brightness in HDR is just plain wrong!
HDR mode doesn't mean the TV will automatically max out it's brightness/backlight (setting). The TVs I bought for family and myself (multiple Sonys & a Philips) go into HDR mode and are generally brighter than in SDR mode, yes, but there is still an option to adjust the brightness/backlight up (or down). Tone mapping is a different setting that can be adjusted independently. You even show that the brightness and contrast setting isn't maxed out on the Vizio in HDR at 4:00 and the contrast setting is usually the backlight.
Another flawed point you made about Dolby Vision IQ assumes the tech works as advertised. I personally tried the mode and it *NEVER* maxes out the brightness of the TV even if you shine a big flashlight at the light sensor on the TV, which I did. I tried shining the same flashlight at my phone and it triggered outdoor/direct sunlight mode on it which unlocks a brightness boost on my phone so it's not an issue with the light source I used. Disabling auto brightness should *ALWAYS* be the first thing someone does on their TVs if they want to have the full range of capabilities. And Dolby Vision IQ should be avoided by all means necessary.
Micromiters (how you are producing them) is a measurement tool, micro meters are a unit of length
I assume you meant "pronouncing," in which case I agree. But they're both spelled the same way ("micrometer").
Typically as a measure of size it’s said micro-meter (also called a micron). Microm-eter is usually the measuring tool. Although idk if that’s a hard and fast rule. 🙂
Micro LED insanely expensive and will be for next decade.
Could be. But I've already lived through $50k 32" flat panels in the early 2000' and took a good ten years but then $25k 50" OLED sets in the 2010 became $2k by 2013 really fast drop to consumers
@@jefffan171 Micro LED hard to scale down to small sizes like 55 inch 4K QD OLED is best TV monitor tech now
I think relatively affordable Micro LED tv will be between 5-10 years (closer to 10) and for (gaming) monitors (if that will even be a thing) between 10-20 years
@@emiel255 5 years you see 8K QD OLED TV for price A95L 65 inch maybe
@@RobertK1993 maybe but the thing is that TV really have to up their game as welll in terms of having 8K capabilities which I highly doubt will happen in 5 years not too long ago got on streaming services.
But maybe who knows. As long as their is 8K footage to go around an 8K tv will make sense otherwise it will be completely useless unless maybe in 5 years there will be good enough GPU’s to play 8K games on hahah
Want a large ..around 77” tv with the best quality picture for YTTV,NETFLIX AND PRIME VIDEO..preferably oled..and what brand? So much info to go through..thanks..anthony
So, are there any micro led tv’s available? Aren’t the Hisense and TCL top line units mini led? I’m still wondering if these QLED units are mini or micro! And aren’t the 115” and 110” units we’re all exited about, but most of us can’t afford, mini led’s? I’m still a bit mixed up.
The PS5 Blu Ray player sucks for movies! If you are using HDMi the DAC in your player doesn’t matter for audio! Now if you use RCA yes then the DAC will matter. As it comes to HDMi cables as long as they are certified no need to spend a fortune Monoprice rules!
From the images you used, I couldn’t tell any difference between the Sony PS5 and Magnetar UPD 900 pictures, because any difference might have been masked by variations across the continuous picture. I wished you had shown the EXACT SAME picture duplicated on both sides. I believe you saw differences, but what you demonstrated with didn’t sell me.
I can understand the difference in build quality, but that comes down to price. The PS5 costs one seventh as much as the Magnetar, so if the Magnetar doesn’t last SEVEN TIMES as long, the build quality argument doesn’t hold water.
Interface IS vital, though, as you said. The Blu-Ray software that comes with the PS5 is TERRIBLE. If I watched a lot of video on disc, I could never live with using a PS5 as my only player. But I doubt I’d splurge on anything North of $1,000.
The differences are unlikely to be visible in moving shots subject to UA-cam compression.
In the comparison I would also like to see a duplicate image rather than continuous. It’s harder to see a difference if you are not seeing the same thing. That being said, I might not be able to see a difference anyway.
Yes that was a strange answer. Blu-ray players are all basically the same for most people including enthusiasts.
I miss my Panasonic Blu-ray but haven't wanted to pony up for the price of a new one.
It doesn't matter though because......OLED...or nothing.
Magnetar beating PlayStation 😂😂😂 like comparing strawberries to horse manure
Just get ps5 u already have a blue ray player
Oh no another discussion which adds confusion to TV architecture understanding which initially was caused by Samsung using LED in an LCD context. In reality there are TVs which emit light from the pixel (self emissive) or from the output of LCD filter in the pixel as that pixel receives light from behind the pixel in a backlight. OLED and microLED are self emissive with light control at the pixel, and all others are variants of LCD with different methods of backlighting. If a backlight was unique for each pixel and controllable with high dynamic range, then each pixels light output would be independently controlled. Sony’s new mini LED panel tech comes closer to independent control of the backlight for each pixel.
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It's pronounced micrometer
That didn’t help at all! 😂
Waste of money to buy a Blu-ray player with anything but bit stream outputs, perhaps one HDMI for A/V and one for audio only. Should use a separate receiver or processor to decode/convert audio bitstream to analog.
How many people going to order a Blu ray player that cost's anywhere from $2000 up to $3000 for a Blu Ray player. It seems everything he says is better cost's a fortune. You wanna buy a Magnetar Blu Ray Player, Go break Your Bank. He act's like it's easier said then done.
His content has to address the whole market, not just us plebs that can't and won't EVER drop that kind of money on a single component, or even on an entire A/V system.
Hey!! with how capitalism works, is a shit storm to figure out who makes shit and who actually makes good shit, i atleast whant to know whos selling what and what the fuck am I’m actually buying. Luxury are luxury’s after all there for the people who what to live a little beyond just living to survive thing. Its handy to atleast know what the fuck I’m buying, so in is money well spent lol
It's maybe 3% difference for 10x the price. They are all the same.
Mini LED is just a glorified LCD TV.... people don't seem to understand that, all the problems of LCD are still there...
MiniLED was just a replacement for LED which was just a replacement for CFL backlighting.
This man is number one disgrace
Caleb a micrometer is a is an instrument used by machinists and engineers for measuring distance. You are using the word in the wrong context.
Nah. Everybody knew what he meant. Chill.
It’s both…
The micrometre (Commonwealth English) as used by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures;[1] SI symbol: μm) or micrometer (American English), also commonly known by the non-SI term micron,[2] is a unit of length in the International System of Units (SI) equalling 1×10−6 metre (SI standard prefix "micro-" = 10−6); that is, one millionth of a metre (or one thousandth of a millimetre, 0.001 mm, or about 0.00004 inch).[1]
Micrometer is a synonym for micron. Pronounced micro-meter. Vs microm-eter
Don't be that guy
@@jolness1wait until you discover “mill” was borrowed by metric countries from imperial, but now means “millilitre”
English language favours emphasis on the second syllable for 4-syllable words ending in “metre”, but no matter how pleasant it is to say milLIMmeter, cenTIMmeter, milLILeter, it’ll never catch on. Stuff like microns and mills wins. And don’t worry, because inches are defined as 25,400 microns now.
It's all 1010101010s . Oh crap. I'm that guy.
Well if we live in a digital world I would agree with you. But unfortunately our real life domain is analog hence the need to convert digital signals to analog (DAC). Now analog signals…..not 1s and 0s anymore
And analogue to digital.Transmission !@@AndrewYang1
@@TS-ex4dl If someone can make digital to analog and then analog back to digital signal loseless, that person will be making some serious money :)
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