I was 15 in 1984 and i didnt know anything about VWs. Well i lived down the road from a junk yard. A old man ran it. I got to know him real well. So i was telling him i wanted to get a muscle car so i could make it fast. He laughed at me and said. U want to beat everyone from light to light right? I was hell yes. So he said then u need a bug. Then i laughed at him. He said laugh all u want, i can build a VWs rhat will smoke most V8s. So i worked for that old man for over a year. And we started to build me this fast VW that i THOUGHT was going to be a wastiof my money and time. This old man had a case,crank and heads he let me have. The heads he match to the intake he also had. He told to to buy 44mm Weber carbs that he rejeted. He also built me the trans with 3rd and 4th gears shortened. First time i heard that motor run my heart started to race. But the old man wouldnt let me drive it crazy. He told me i had to break it in. I had to leave it with him tell i broke it in. Finally he tells me i could rod the shit out of it. So i started and let it warm up for 10 mins. He got in and said. Lets see what she can do. So i pulled out of the junk yard. Came to a stop in the middle of the road. Revved it up to 4000 RPMs like he told me to and dropped the clutch. All i could to was say OMG and smile. That old man was right. Not many cars could beat me. And if they did, it wasnt by much. Then i moved from socal to Missouri. And knowone knew about VWs in 1990. First race i had in Missouri was with a 5.0 mustang. He pulled beside me at a light. And started to laugh at my dad and i. So my dad goes. U want to runnum. Kids laughs again. So the light turns green and the boy wouldnt even come to the next light i smoked hes hass so bad. I love VWs!!!! Lol
Great story!!!! I'm building a 70 rat right now. I just picked up a 2300 (I think that's a 2335???) for it. It's gonna be fun to have the same experiences like you had!!! Gonna go freeway flyer as well. She's' slammed to 2 inches front with low pro's. Rear is stock height with 33's. Chopped 7in windshield with top removed. Door poppers.....you know, a RAT! Then the 70 ghia......The boss, I mean wife said to keep it original. Yeah Yeah Yeah...She'll appreciate the 1776 power and not even know the difference when that resto is completed!!! This isn't even mentioning my 67 original, one owner (before me) original paint (patina) radio, Dealer AC, etc...... KEEP BUGGIN'
my dad did this alot but his friend had one that could hit like 150 easy and had a 0 -60 in like five seconds, however he got about 1000 miles and entire engine and it broke down about every 100
Just so you know, those crescent shaped vents behind each side rear window are NOT engine ventilation vents. They actually feed air into the back of the vehicle's interior and over the rear window to help prevent condensation forming on the glass. The interior vents are located either side of the rear window.
I wanted a Beetle since I was 13. I finally got one when I was 52 3 years ago... I am too old to let this beauty sit in a garage and look at it once in a while. I drive my little car 3 seasons out of the year! I will drive it until I physically can't anymore. Painting the headliner which was merely discolored after 44 years was a choice not a necessity. It is unrestored and lovely. I adore it... always will.
Bravo! I just bought a 2012 second generation new Beetle which pays more homage to the type 1 and super Beetles. I am almost 70 and have always wanted one, i live in the snow (in Canada) so it will be a 3 season. I would have loved to have had a type 1 or a super Beetle but for a couple of reasons i have to do the more practical choice but i come here to still look at these.
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To clarify, the 1/4 moon vents behind the rear side windows were for cabin air outflow (door seals were very tight back then). I owned 5 vws 1st 1 I bought new in Dec '72 a '73 standard beetle painted kassian red, same as video.
Ironically, I drove a Beetle back and forth to Waco too. But I kept it maintained and everything, and it never broke down on the road, never stranded me anywhere, never let me down. Like any car of the era, preventative maintenance was key.
A bug is as reliable as you make it. If you get one and don't do all the maintenance or replace aging parts, it's going to do nothing but break down. If you have a good engine, adjust the valves every 6k miles, adjust the brakes, grease the front end, grease the transaxle, make sure the transaxle boots are good, they'll be pretty damn reliable and have a ton of personality. One big thing though: replace exhaust valves at 50k miles. After 50k miles, they'll eventually snap off, scar a cylinder and destroy a piston!! The bug has its faults. You either love em or hate em.
I never had any problem with valves on the VW's I owned, and they were mostly high mileage engines. I did keep them adjusted and change the oil regularly. The biggest problem I had with high mileage VW engines was oil leakage and main bearing slop. The main oil leak points in old VW engines were the oil cooler seals, which was fixable, and the front main seal (front of the car, flywheel end of the engine). The main seal leakage was often caused by endplay in the main bearings, which could only be fixed with a complete teardown and rebuild of the engine. Eventually, the leakage would get so bad you just couldn't keep oil in them.
I got my 73 Super Beetle for $1600 didn’t run but I am still working on it I have had it for about 3 months now. I really want to drive it because it is my dream car. Mine is all original which in my opinion makes it more valuable.
Getting a '70 Beetle from a friend shortly & I'm super pumped!! My first classic car that needs a little work & I'm so excited to start tinkering on it
Two other places for rust come to mind, the rockers behind the running boards, AND above the headlights. As you mention, there are new panels available to replace those areas - But if you can avoid it in the first place, so much the better.
This is a voltswagen and everything, water drips on the distributor and everything, look out for my cat and everything, it was a good buy and everything, if you want it fixed up you'll pay more and everything. And everything.
My father has a 1962 VW Beetle ( Were from Germany, so VW Heritage ;D ) I Love it. Its just one of the most fun things to sit in, and im absolutely thankful that I ( 17yo, driving since half a year) am even allowed to drive that thing. its pretty hard for me, but it just has so much character,... i love this thing!
Good video. My only comment would be on size for tall people. I have owned both standard and super beetles together for 30 years and driven them all over the country...trips like 800-1000 miles each. I am also 6'2" and weigh 200lbs. I've never felt cramped at all in the front seats.
The price for these things skyrocketed for no real reason in the last year. It's nice seeing a time when these cars were affordable and enjoyed by regular people who wanted a cool car. As cool as they are, they aren't worth 15k in ok condition.
I've been driving a Honda Accord for the last 26 years, it has solid lifters and I do the valves every 3rd oil change (15,000) miles, I drove Bugs and a Bus during college, on those I did the valves every 6,000 miles.
03:10 Those vents are for the flow thru ventilation for the interior of the car. They are linked to the 3 plastic slots on either side of the rear window on the inside of the car. They have no function associated with the cooling system of the engine.
One of the first cars I remember as a tot was our black '60 Beetle with a cloth sunroof that my parents bought used at Springer's Ford near Chanute AFB in Illinois (where Dad was stationed at the time). They have a picture of me sticking my finger up the exhaust.😊 It was later traded for a new light blue '67 Beetle. It was sold 4 years later. Much later when I was in 6th Grade Dad bought another light blue '67. When he got me home from school, he took me for a ride. He knew what I liked so he shut off the radio so I could hear the engine. Riding brought back the memories. Of the interior smell, the VW smell, and the engine sound, and the transmission sound in each gear just like the prior '67. All good things come to an end though, because a year later, my parents bought a new Ford Pinto with modern heat and a/c. Dad made some body repairs to the Bug, had it professionally painted, then sold it to our neighbors across the street. Our neighbor's wife didn't care for it so it was later traded for a new LTD II.
My 1974 VW bug is a standard with a flat front windshield. It has torsion bar front end. You always want a throttle cable, clutch cable in the car with you at all times.
Bigguss D That's so true, I arrived home the day I bought my 67 Bug, in the front seat of a tow truck because the accelerator cable snapped an hour or so after purchase. The next time it happened, I spun the choke mechanism upside down and locked the accelerator into about a 3 quarter compressed position and rode the clutch the two miles or so to a garage, revving insanely when I shifted. Ah, good times.
i've been driving a 73 super for 6 years and it just keeps going, went on a 1600km road trip, went on several vacations with it and it did not let me down once. It's my daily driver. I guess you have to be lucky too for buying a good old reliable beetle.
My dad had a beetle his whole life we still drive it daily it did millions of miles same engine too i almost never changed a single part this car is beast its pretty fast too actually i have a 1.5L and its pretty good it might need a lot of work if you buy one but once you are done you are done you wont really need to fix it again
that is awful slow. I can pop the engine out of my bug in less than in 10 minutes. My fastest time is a little over 7 minutes. It is only held in with 4 bolts
Bought a new standard beetle in 74...last year before the terrible fuel injection. With FM radio and floor mats it was $2300. Kept it a few years and not 1 iota of trouble. Keep the oil clean and valves adjusted and they last a long time. I had older beetles before this one and learned always to carry a spare accelerator cable.
I have this same car! It's wonderful, best bug I have ever driven! And the price difference for parts is negligible. Except for the steering box, on a super that's your killer part. I have had both standard bugs and supers. And my 73 super is the most reliable car I have ever had.
I drove the hell out of my 1976 VW that I had in high school. I drove it until the floor rusted out and sold it to a friend for $800. I missed it. Now I have a '78 convertible. Its a money pit for sure, but I love it. When my regular car was rear ended and was in the shop for a month, I pulled out my old '78 and it did the job just fine as my daily driver.
I'm German and it's no problem here to find any part for. Cheap and available everywhere. The 1302 (made from 1970-1972) is alike, except of dashboard, windshield and frunk hood. Most parts fit from other bugs as well. This bug was made in Germany only from 1972-1975, but never in Brazil or Mexico. Due to our shitty weather an salty roads, eventually rust killed them all. Guess you'll find more of them in Nevada, Arizona & New Mexico now.
In my college days and some time after, I had three VW's. A '65 bought used, a '71 Super beetle bought used. and a '74 Super Beetle bought new. None of them ever broke down and left me on the side of the road.
I've daily drivin Nothing but old Vw's my whole life! Haven't spent much time on the side of the road unless I got behind on my maintenance or pushed her to hard and blew the engine!! But, Nope!! No supers for me!! '70 or earlier is where I stay! (currently dailying a '66 fastback) Nice engine setup though!
Volkz VLOGS I recently bought the super beetle. But I'm so nervous because it's my only car right now. So it's basically going to be my daily car once everything is done. But I want to know if it's worth it
First year of super beetle 1972, flat windshield, strut front suspension. 1973, introduction of curved windshield. The most comfortable car I've ever owned, 73 Wolfsburg edition. Drove more than 10 hrs one way several times, it had Porsche factory seats.
I've found a good one last year for $2k (the one on my profile pic) and it has been our toy, for me and my 2 boys. It's just a fun car to drive, it gets comments and start conversations everywhere you go, and it's super cheap to maintain. I wouldn't recommend it as your main car or daily driver, for many practical reasons. But, for a fun and affordable running-car-project, you can't beat the little bug.
I daily drive my '73. Not too bad. . 60 miles a day or so. Great for me. I have a newer car, but this one is just more fun and so small that it is super easy too maneuver and park.. So long as you can deal with no a.c., its not too shabby.
I'm pretty sure that the added width is only when measured from the outside of the fenders, which were widened slightly to accommodate the McPherson strut suspension and wider tires. And the added length is due to the shape of the hood, again due to the revised front suspension. The width of the interior is identical to a standard beetle. The volume of the trunk is increase because the McPherson strut suspension allows the spare tire to be placed in a well between the struts. (The standard beetle's torsion bar suspension required that the tire be stored virtically.)
Yes, a 1302 is the flat windshield Super Beetle and the 1303 is the curved windshield Super Beetle. SB parts are NOT twice as expensive as standard Beetle parts, fyi. (Who ever thought of that?). There is no battery tray ... it is the floor underneath the rear bench seat on the right side.
I’ve owned my 69 BUG since 1969. It’s original except for replacement parts as they wore out or Broke. I keep it in a Garage and do not drive in the rain or super hot weather.
71 and 72 also have a flat dash, just like the regular beetle. Also, regular beetle parts fit a super beetle from the fire wall back to the motor. The only difference between a super and a regular are from the fire wall forward
Other rust points are the lower part of the rear quarter panel behind the doors. The fender attachment point on the body, and door hinges. I learned to drive on the farm in my dad's '61. I had a hotrodded Super in grad school. Cal look (slightly lowered, one piece door windows, fully dechromed, Empi wheels, turn signals in bumper) and a built dual carb motor. Got rear ended by a semi (lucky I didn't die) which trashed the car. I'd love to have a nice west coast one just to putt around on the weekends, but really nice ones have gotten expensive. And then I'd have to build a garage. My daily is a modded '12 Sportwagon, so I'm a VW fan.(GTI suspension and brakes, IE Stage One tune, chassis bracing and high performance tires) Also, If one were to get an old Beetle, I'd convert to disk brakes at least in the front. There are kits. Car is enough of a death trap as it is without crappy drum brakes.
Mine ran the last 20 years without problems. Did some welding because of rust and replaced the gas cable once. That was ist. I didnt even change the oil since my father bought it.
I bought a 1973 Super Beetle and that has no issues at all and I drove in for 4 years off and on and when I get out on the interstate if we Cruise 7580 mylar no problem I do not have no problems at all and never broke down
You missed a few things with the body rust, though the bath tray is a huge one. Under the running boards where the board meets the wheel jack point. Also, where the front fender meets the ody at the rear bottom, and in the back, the opposite side, front lower, close to the jack point. Doing away with the point/condenser. Great move. I carried spare points and condenser for a while. Adjusting the valves at valve cover gasket replacement, or at oil changes, is great advice. Also, if a vert, the entire running board area. You may want to add that after 74, everything US models, were fuel injected and all super beattles. I've had four VWs. Two type 1, and two type 2, buses. All pre 68. Great gideo.
I have to correct you on the MacPherson front ends on super beetles. They were very problematic when they were introduced to the beetle. The steering boxes would wear out quickly not to mention unstable at higher speeds. My mom had a 72 or 73 SB and it always had front end problems from day one from 72 to 2005 long time on the road lol. I had 4 early beetles with good ol torsion bars and never had the issues the sb had hell I even had a few slammed and could do around 75mph and be stable.
I really didn't have any problems with mine, its rides great. I've had this up to 90 mph and didn't have shacks or become unstable. Now i did rebuilt the front end when i got the car, it was 30 years old at the time, and was worn out. Since then i've put 40,000 to 50,000 miles on it and never had any suspension problems
Torsion bar beetles thrive on neglect, Super beetles ride much nicer than torsion bar beetles when they are looked after, but when you abuse and neglect you get problems a lot quicker.
kyungi1 your absolutely right about the steering. Mine is wearing out and troublesome at high speeds. If you want a beetle with an older steering column assembly (which is easier to repair) you have to get a 69 or earlier. My choice of years is a 69.
I had a 71 SB. The front suspension had to be well maintained and parts replaced a bit more frequently than most cars. If it was well maintained and in good shape though it handled extremely well.
I had a 78 brazilian bug about 20 years ago. Can't remember how many times that car let me down on the side of the road. That car hated me. I'd love to have a super beetle with the curved windshield, it looks much more comfortable to drive.
panchoskywalker I had a 71 super beetle and problems with it from day one. I also had a 74 super beetle that would always overheat and brake down. Heck when I was driving the motor stopped.. I had to push it in the middle of a highway. I prefer my 63 and 73 beetle.
I drove my 73 from fresno to san Francisco and back I was praying I wouldn't have many problems but this freaking car man it kicked ass no problems whatsoever except coming back I tried to avoid the big hills cus it would over heat a bit
I have a buddy that bought a bug and before he started dailying his he got the engine, suspension and electrics done done over and the car hasn't given him problems in the past 3 years that he has it
@ Clifford Rice .........hey Clifford, I must say what an excellent, and most informative and down-to-earth- HONEST video you made here, right-0 Brother, loved it! thank you Sir!
I had a dark blue 74 beetle I loved that car so much. Even with the rust and everything lol. Now I'm 6'0 but I want that car back hopefully it won't be to bad lmao
The super beetle was introduced in 1970, My 70 convertible had the flat windshield. I think if you check the windsheild and the front suspension are the primary differences. THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE SIZE OR SHAPE OFF THE MAIN BODY. 71 was also when the vents were added for cabin ventilation. They continued to market the regular beetle for a few more years. Personally I didn't like the attempt at a dashboard. I liked the flat window flat dash.
The only difference from a beetle and a super beetle is the improved suspension and the bigger boot. Easiest way to check is if the spare tire lies flat. If it lies flat it's a super beetle, if it's vertical it's a regular beetle. The point you made with the curved windshield and the "real" dashboard is from the '73-models and beyond, ergo 1303 series. You have super beetles that are earlier models, like the 1302S, which have a flat windshield and a "flat" dashboard.
have a 74 super beetle .. the most comon problem is the Contact points replace them with electronic ones ..and if you have a stretch change the push rods into chromoly and upgrade the oil cooler and your bettle will ran just like a moderncar
Let's get some things straight regarding the Super Beetle. One of the first things said in the video is that the Super Beetle has a curved front windshield. This is true only with 1973 and newer Super Beetles. It is also longer than the standard Beetle. The Super Beetle became an available option to the standard Beetle with the 1971 model year. From 1971 to 1972, the only things different between the standard and Super Beetle was the front clip forward of the windshield. Everything else rearward, including the front windshield, is the same. The 1971 and 1972 model years (Super Beetle) are one off in that that the front hoods, while they may look the same as the 1973 and newer, are very different. The two are not interchangeable with the newer model Super Beetles any more than the Super Beetle hood, regardless of year, are not interchangeable with the standard Beetle hoods. The Super Beetle regardless of its model year use a McPherson Strut front suspension. Again, 1971 and 1972 share each other's parts but are not interchangeable with the 1973 and newer Super Beetles. Should you buy any Beetle (Standard or Super Beetle)? Depends upon how much work you are willing to do and how much money you are willing to spend. Parts are becoming more and more rare. While you may be able to find many parts, both OEM and aftermarket, not everything is available. For example, virtually every horn equipped old skool Volkswagen, including every Beetle, Super or otherwise, uses a contact bearing in the steering column that allows the horn to work regardless of where the steering wheel is. It's available for pretty much all horn equipped VW's...... except the 1971 and 1972 Super Beetle and they're not interchangeable with the 1973 and newer.
The super beetle really pays off. The most important change to normal ones is that he has the rear axle of the Porsche 911 from the late sixties. The same rear axle was also later used in the Porsche 944 Turbo with 220hp. So you can guess that, with the right tires, the super beetle grips extremely good and is very fast around corners. (modern fwd cars cant make turns like this) All other beetles have the ancient rear axle which was designed in 1938. This one doesnt grip very good and tends to oversteer very uncontrolled.
Bolleka .. Not completely true. The standard bug started using the later type trans in 68 with the auto-stick and in 69 with ALL type 1 vehicles. I believe the type 2 and type 3 did the same, also starting in 68. The CV joint style driveline made quite a difference in handling because there was no "tuck-under" of the wheels on hard turns. With this new system you could remove the trans for repairs without disassembly of the suspension. I have no idea why they went back to the early style swing-axle for the Mexican and Brazilian bugs, other than maybe cost cutting.
@@rupe53 the mexican and brazillian beetles kept the swingaxle because that's what the factories were set up to make. those factories also kept producing the split window bus into the 1980's for the same reason. the main difference between a standard beetle and a super beetle is the front suspension. super beetles use a mcpherson strut system similar to all modern front wheel drive vehicles which gives a smoother ride than the old trailing arm torsion bar suspension on the standard beetles. also, later super beetles had the bubble windshield and bubble dashboard.
@@marzsit9833 ... I have heard that before, but it doesn't add up that they would keep the rear suspension / trans and switch to a new style front suspension which is not as sturdy as the old torsion bar unit... especially in a country full of bad roads. This also means they need many hybrid parts, as all of the mounting points are different between those suspension types.
I've had a few, and here in the northeast they rust all over. One of the, the seam between the pan and body inside the from wheel wells, and water would get in the cabin driving in the rain. Two of them leaked gas because the bottom of the gas tank rusted a tiny hole, had to get that welded.
One reason there are so few of the 21 million around is that they were stamped out very thin high carbon steel; that was light a strong but rusts away very fast compared to heavy sheet metal found in domestic car of the time.
Okay I saw what you were talking about the distributor replace all that great job but they do have an adapter kit for the original old school just sugar is called in a nighter I've used it and it always works for me after I upgraded I love your video
Adjust valves every 10000 miles LOL this guy cracks me up , 3000 milles is factory recommendation to adjust valves - basically when you do an oil change
Thanks for your video. Didn't even know there were super bugs, perhaps we didn't get many in Australia. I am really surprized that VW didn't make a rubber box to sit the battery in, as is the case with many japanese motorcycles. I suppose this battery problem of acid leaking has been fixed by using sealed batteries in these older cars.
We got quite a lot of them in Australia as the Volkswagen L. Prior to that was the first Super Beetle - the Volkswagen S. The L was discontinued with the arrival of the Golf.
Brother, great mods that you've made on your Beetle.. Sweet car that you have. I live in Houston, if you EVER wanna sell her, please drop me a line on here !!!
I drove air cooled VW's (bugs, Karamann Ghia and a 411) for several years. One of the biggest drawbacks was that the heaters sucked (The heater took air from the engine fan, and ran it through an exhaust heat exchanger into the cabin). Since it used the engine fan, it was useless at low rpm (in town, you had to not go past 3rd gear to get any heat at all). It only really worked well at full throttle, high rpm (e. g. pulling a hill in 3rd). In a snowstorm, the defrost worked just well enough to ice it up good. It was better when it was snowing to run with the heater off and the wing vent open to direct outside air on the windshield. With the windshield cold, the snow wouldn't stick. Of course, you needed to dress warmly when doing this so you didn't freeze to death.
My heater always worked good in this car. Maybe to good, lol it melted a few shoes. Only problem was i had to leave a window crack so the exhaust fumes didn't get to me.
I was 15 in 1984 and i didnt know anything about VWs. Well i lived down the road from a junk yard. A old man ran it. I got to know him real well. So i was telling him i wanted to get a muscle car so i could make it fast. He laughed at me and said. U want to beat everyone from light to light right? I was hell yes. So he said then u need a bug. Then i laughed at him. He said laugh all u want, i can build a VWs rhat will smoke most V8s. So i worked for that old man for over a year. And we started to build me this fast VW that i THOUGHT was going to be a wastiof my money and time. This old man had a case,crank and heads he let me have. The heads he match to the intake he also had. He told to to buy 44mm Weber carbs that he rejeted. He also built me the trans with 3rd and 4th gears shortened. First time i heard that motor run my heart started to race. But the old man wouldnt let me drive it crazy. He told me i had to break it in. I had to leave it with him tell i broke it in. Finally he tells me i could rod the shit out of it. So i started and let it warm up for 10 mins. He got in and said. Lets see what she can do. So i pulled out of the junk yard. Came to a stop in the middle of the road. Revved it up to 4000 RPMs like he told me to and dropped the clutch. All i could to was say OMG and smile. That old man was right. Not many cars could beat me. And if they did, it wasnt by much. Then i moved from socal to Missouri. And knowone knew about VWs in 1990. First race i had in Missouri was with a 5.0 mustang. He pulled beside me at a light. And started to laugh at my dad and i. So my dad goes. U want to runnum. Kids laughs again. So the light turns green and the boy wouldnt even come to the next light i smoked hes hass so bad. I love VWs!!!! Lol
Great story!!!! I'm building a 70 rat right now. I just picked up a 2300 (I think that's a 2335???) for it. It's gonna be fun to have the same experiences like you had!!! Gonna go freeway flyer as well.
She's' slammed to 2 inches front with low pro's. Rear is stock height with 33's. Chopped 7in windshield with top removed. Door poppers.....you know, a RAT!
Then the 70 ghia......The boss, I mean wife said to keep it original. Yeah Yeah Yeah...She'll appreciate the 1776 power and not even know the difference when that resto is completed!!! This isn't even mentioning my 67 original, one owner (before me) original paint (patina) radio, Dealer AC, etc......
KEEP BUGGIN'
Charles Graham the lol at the end kills it xd
Haha that's awesome
I'm just trying to restore my 1971 bug, We have driven it about 10 times. I love it!
my dad did this alot but his friend had one that could hit like 150 easy and had a 0 -60 in like five seconds, however he got about 1000 miles and entire engine and it broke down about every 100
Just so you know, those crescent shaped vents behind each side rear window are NOT engine ventilation vents. They actually feed air into the back of the vehicle's interior and over the rear window to help prevent condensation forming on the glass. The interior vents are located either side of the rear window.
I wanted a Beetle since I was 13. I finally got one when I was 52 3 years ago... I am too old to let this beauty sit in a garage and look at it once in a while. I drive my little car 3 seasons out of the year! I will drive it until I physically can't anymore. Painting the headliner which was merely discolored after 44 years was a choice not a necessity. It is unrestored and lovely. I adore it... always will.
Bravo! I just bought a 2012 second generation new Beetle which pays more homage to the type 1 and super Beetles. I am almost 70 and have always wanted one, i live in the snow (in Canada) so it will be a 3 season. I would have loved to have had a type 1 or a super Beetle but for a couple of reasons i have to do the more practical choice but i come here to still look at these.
Wife owned 2 New Beetles over the years. Now at 74 we are looking to buy a vintage 1967 next Spring. Just started a Beetle savings account....😁🤞🏻
I'm 6'6" 300lbs and I'm not cramped in my 66 Beetle...love these cars
great video and everything
Father daughter project for my dad and I. 1972 VW super beetle. Its running now and we are discussing body work. Super excited to have mine.
Cheyanne England i almost had a yellow 72 superbeetle for my first car!
Hey! It's been a year since this comment. Still got it?
"... and everything" .
I'm glad someone heard it too 😂
I wanted to say, "just stop it (and everything)" ;)
Great drinking game 😂
Lmao it must be a “warm engine” problem. Because it took a while before he started saying it lol
TheZemun 😂
Its funny how when a cat knows youre busy doing something, they gotta get right in there lol. Awesome vw
You get 'em in your blood and it's hard to get 'em out! I still have dreams about driving my old VW's.
A beetle is my dream car
guy , i gonna buy a VW from the 60s
guy :I have a 65'sedan for sale.
Mine too
guy yeah me too and I wish I could drive one of this one day
Soda that a boy... keep those expectations LOW..LOW..LOW.. that way you'll never be dissappointed when never being able to chin the bar... OR go above and beyond regular requirements... The liberal...melinnial... Democrats await you with open arms.... Just make sure you bring some sort of a donation... 😉👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 MAGA 🇺🇸
The moon vents are for cabin ventilation, not for the engine. The reason that area rusts is the factory put foam in there that holds moisture. fyi
You are correct. The crescent moon vents are to let air flow on to the rear window. Good call
Good thing i read further down, i was going to comment the same. :-) I've owned 46 Beetles since i was 15, I am 51 now, still lovin them!
@@rippenbug can I have one ?
To clarify, the 1/4 moon vents behind the rear side windows were for cabin air outflow (door seals were very tight back then). I owned 5 vws 1st 1 I bought new in Dec '72 a '73 standard beetle painted kassian red, same as video.
thank you
Ironically, I drove a Beetle back and forth to Waco too. But I kept it maintained and everything, and it never broke down on the road, never stranded me anywhere, never let me down. Like any car of the era, preventative maintenance was key.
A bug is as reliable as you make it. If you get one and don't do all the maintenance or replace aging parts, it's going to do nothing but break down. If you have a good engine, adjust the valves every 6k miles, adjust the brakes, grease the front end, grease the transaxle, make sure the transaxle boots are good, they'll be pretty damn reliable and have a ton of personality. One big thing though: replace exhaust valves at 50k miles. After 50k miles, they'll eventually snap off, scar a cylinder and destroy a piston!! The bug has its faults. You either love em or hate em.
This goes for any classic car though
The bug is the best car I have ever owned 😍❤
I never had any problem with valves on the VW's I owned, and they were mostly high mileage engines. I did keep them adjusted and change the oil regularly. The biggest problem I had with high mileage VW engines was oil leakage and main bearing slop. The main oil leak points in old VW engines were the oil cooler seals, which was fixable, and the front main seal (front of the car, flywheel end of the engine). The main seal leakage was often caused by endplay in the main bearings, which could only be fixed with a complete teardown and rebuild of the engine. Eventually, the leakage would get so bad you just couldn't keep oil in them.
And everything
I got my 73 Super Beetle for $1600 didn’t run but I am still working on it I have had it for about 3 months now. I really want to drive it because it is my dream car. Mine is all original which in my opinion makes it more valuable.
Bought mine new in '74...been driving it for 45 yrs!! love it...
Getting a '70 Beetle from a friend shortly & I'm super pumped!! My first classic car that needs a little work & I'm so excited to start tinkering on it
Two other places for rust come to mind, the rockers behind the running boards, AND above the headlights. As you mention, there are new panels available to replace those areas - But if you can avoid it in the first place, so much the better.
Regular bug is MY favorite, flat dash,flat wind shield. Just SEEMS to have much more character!
This is a voltswagen and everything, water drips on the distributor and everything, look out for my cat and everything, it was a good buy and everything, if you want it fixed up you'll pay more and everything. And everything.
how witty
Thermal Reboot , I believe the volksy was a victim of the Sumnaw.
Thermal Reboot If water is dripping out of an air cooled beetle. You have a serious problem
Leave the man alone, he did a good job with this video.
My father has a 1962 VW Beetle ( Were from Germany, so VW Heritage ;D ) I Love it. Its just one of the most fun things to sit in, and im absolutely thankful that I ( 17yo, driving since half a year) am even allowed to drive that thing. its pretty hard for me, but it just has so much character,... i love this thing!
And you are one of a few of your generation, that know how to drive a stick shift...👍🏼👍🏼
I have owned several beetles through the years. They are great cars and the funnest cars i have ever driven.
Some day I'm going to get me one of those. N everything.
did you do it yet
@@moneywalrus2069 No, not yet
I drove a 1974 for 27 years. I miss the hell out f it
Good video. My only comment would be on size for tall people. I have owned both standard and super beetles together for 30 years and driven them all over the country...trips like 800-1000 miles each. I am also 6'2" and weigh 200lbs. I've never felt cramped at all in the front seats.
The price for these things skyrocketed for no real reason in the last year. It's nice seeing a time when these cars were affordable and enjoyed by regular people who wanted a cool car. As cool as they are, they aren't worth 15k in ok condition.
I always get stuck with Bumblebee as my Autobot guardian.
Every authentic youtube I've ever seen video has a cat in it
I've been driving a Honda Accord for the last 26 years, it has solid lifters and I do the valves every 3rd oil change (15,000) miles, I drove Bugs and a Bus during college, on those I did the valves every 6,000 miles.
03:10 Those vents are for the flow thru ventilation for the interior of the car. They are linked to the 3 plastic slots on either side of the rear window on the inside of the car. They have no function associated with the cooling system of the engine.
One of the first cars I remember as a tot was our black '60 Beetle with a cloth sunroof that my parents bought used at Springer's Ford near Chanute AFB in Illinois (where Dad was stationed at the time). They have a picture of me sticking my finger up the exhaust.😊 It was later traded for a new light blue '67 Beetle. It was sold 4 years later. Much later when I was in 6th Grade Dad bought another light blue '67. When he got me home from school, he took me for a ride. He knew what I liked so he shut off the radio so I could hear the engine. Riding brought back the memories. Of the interior smell, the VW smell, and the engine sound, and the transmission sound in each gear just like the prior '67. All good things come to an end though, because a year later, my parents bought a new Ford Pinto with modern heat and a/c. Dad made some body repairs to the Bug, had it professionally painted, then sold it to our neighbors across the street. Our neighbor's wife didn't care for it so it was later traded for a new LTD II.
And everything ! Lol. My mother in law says that all the time.
Don't forget to check the pan for rust. That's a BIG one arround here.
My 1974 VW bug is a standard with a flat front windshield. It has torsion bar front end. You always want a throttle cable, clutch cable in the car with you at all times.
Bigguss D That's so true, I arrived home the day I bought my 67 Bug, in the front seat of a tow truck because the accelerator cable snapped an hour or so after purchase. The next time it happened, I spun the choke mechanism upside down and locked the accelerator into about a 3 quarter compressed position and rode the clutch the two miles or so to a garage, revving insanely when I shifted. Ah, good times.
i've been driving a 73 super for 6 years and it just keeps going, went on a 1600km road trip, went on several vacations with it and it did not let me down once. It's my daily driver. I guess you have to be lucky too for buying a good old reliable beetle.
GulfO1 As long as they’re maintained their very reliable
My dad had a beetle his whole life we still drive it daily it did millions of miles same engine too i almost never changed a single part this car is beast its pretty fast too actually i have a 1.5L and its pretty good it might need a lot of work if you buy one but once you are done you are done you wont really need to fix it again
one of the easiest vehicles to work on ever! Drop a motor in 30mins or less. Keep oil in it and will run forever lol
that is awful slow. I can pop the engine out of my bug in less than in 10 minutes. My fastest time is a little over 7 minutes. It is only held in with 4 bolts
I dropped my motor in 20 minutes last year cuz it's a baja 😁 and we didn't know what we were doing!
@@2006kalipso I think you cheated.
You right
@@2006kalipso wow didn't know mechanics compare bolt on n off timing with other mechanics :0
Good overview! Also, for rust, check heater channels and floors! For Super Beetles (VW 1302 and 1303), check for rusty strut towers!
Bought a new standard beetle in 74...last year before the terrible fuel injection. With FM radio and floor mats it was $2300. Kept it a few years and not 1 iota of trouble. Keep the oil clean and valves adjusted and they last a long time. I had older beetles before this one and learned always to carry a spare accelerator cable.
I have this same car! It's wonderful, best bug I have ever driven! And the price difference for parts is negligible. Except for the steering box, on a super that's your killer part. I have had both standard bugs and supers. And my 73 super is the most reliable car I have ever had.
I drove the hell out of my 1976 VW that I had in high school. I drove it until the floor rusted out and sold it to a friend for $800. I missed it. Now I have a '78 convertible. Its a money pit for sure, but I love it. When my regular car was rear ended and was in the shop for a month, I pulled out my old '78 and it did the job just fine as my daily driver.
I'm German and it's no problem here to find any part for. Cheap and available everywhere. The 1302 (made from 1970-1972) is alike, except of dashboard, windshield and frunk hood. Most parts fit from other bugs as well. This bug was made in Germany only from 1972-1975, but never in Brazil or Mexico. Due to our shitty weather an salty roads, eventually rust killed them all. Guess you'll find more of them in Nevada, Arizona & New Mexico now.
In my college days and some time after, I had three VW's. A '65 bought used, a '71 Super beetle bought used. and a '74 Super Beetle bought new. None of them ever broke down and left me on the side of the road.
I've daily drivin Nothing but old Vw's my whole life! Haven't spent much time on the side of the road unless I got behind on my maintenance or pushed her to hard and blew the engine!! But, Nope!! No supers for me!! '70 or earlier is where I stay! (currently dailying a '66 fastback) Nice engine setup though!
Volkz VLOGS I recently bought the super beetle. But I'm so nervous because it's my only car right now. So it's basically going to be my daily car once everything is done. But I want to know if it's worth it
yep, forgit super beetles.
Nothing wrong with supers. They are awesome if your looking for a daily street car not much for modifying like u can get with a standard
First year of super beetle 1972, flat windshield, strut front suspension. 1973, introduction of curved windshield.
The most comfortable car I've ever owned, 73 Wolfsburg edition. Drove more than 10 hrs one way several times, it had Porsche factory seats.
I've found a good one last year for $2k (the one on my profile pic) and it has been our toy, for me and my 2 boys. It's just a fun car to drive, it gets comments and start conversations everywhere you go, and it's super cheap to maintain. I wouldn't recommend it as your main car or daily driver, for many practical reasons. But, for a fun and affordable running-car-project, you can't beat the little bug.
I daily drive my '73. Not too bad. . 60 miles a day or so. Great for me. I have a newer car, but this one is just more fun and so small that it is super easy too maneuver and park.. So long as you can deal with no a.c., its not too shabby.
mont10000 I agree !! They're like little colorful Skittles driving down the road. 😄
And everything drove me nuts!! And everything!!!
I'm pretty sure that the added width is only when measured from the outside of the fenders, which were widened slightly to accommodate the McPherson strut suspension and wider tires. And the added length is due to the shape of the hood, again due to the revised front suspension. The width of the interior is identical to a standard beetle. The volume of the trunk is increase because the McPherson strut suspension allows the spare tire to be placed in a well between the struts. (The standard beetle's torsion bar suspension required that the tire be stored virtically.)
I still love my '63. Bug Life! Great video, make more!
I stopped watching when you said the crescent vent on the C pillar was to cool the engine, it's for letting air out of the cabin.
Beetles are nice little cars to work on because finding parts are so easy, I have a hard time finding parts for my 1973 VW 412.
My dad drove his around 200,000km thru the Australian dessert and it never died.
Super_Slav your dad probably wasnt running crapy gasoline like we have here in the states.
Thanks for this video...Looking at buying a '73 Super!
I agree I have also been driving beetles for years and your assessment is spot on IMO
Yes, a 1302 is the flat windshield Super Beetle and the 1303 is the curved windshield Super Beetle. SB parts are NOT twice as expensive as standard Beetle parts, fyi. (Who ever thought of that?). There is no battery tray ... it is the floor underneath the rear bench seat on the right side.
One other difference is the trunk. It's larger in a Supw4 and the tire sits in there differently.
I’ve owned my 69 BUG since 1969. It’s original except for replacement parts as they wore out or Broke. I keep it in a Garage and do not drive in the rain or super hot weather.
Thx for advice I really like to bug one if it’s running I don’t mind bodywork if it’s not bad
Thats a qute lil beetle. Thanks for the tips!
71 and 72 also have a flat dash, just like the regular beetle. Also, regular beetle parts fit a super beetle from the fire wall back to the motor. The only difference between a super and a regular are from the fire wall forward
Other rust points are the lower part of the rear quarter panel behind the doors. The fender attachment point on the body, and door hinges. I learned to drive on the farm in my dad's '61. I had a hotrodded Super in grad school. Cal look (slightly lowered, one piece door windows, fully dechromed, Empi wheels, turn signals in bumper) and a built dual carb motor. Got rear ended by a semi (lucky I didn't die) which trashed the car.
I'd love to have a nice west coast one just to putt around on the weekends, but really nice ones have gotten expensive. And then I'd have to build a garage. My daily is a modded '12 Sportwagon, so I'm a VW fan.(GTI suspension and brakes, IE Stage One tune, chassis bracing and high performance tires)
Also, If one were to get an old Beetle, I'd convert to disk brakes at least in the front. There are kits. Car is enough of a death trap as it is without crappy drum brakes.
I am considering one. Thank you so much for this video. From Canada. Thank you.
Mine ran the last 20 years without problems. Did some welding because of rust and replaced the gas cable once. That was ist. I didnt even change the oil since my father bought it.
I bought a 1973 Super Beetle and that has no issues at all and I drove in for 4 years off and on and when I get out on the interstate if we Cruise 7580 mylar no problem I do not have no problems at all and never broke down
Behind the vents on the side where they rust, was due to foam they shot in there from the factory. It held moisture there from the foam
You missed a few things with the body rust, though the bath tray is a huge one. Under the running boards where the board meets the wheel jack point. Also, where the front fender meets the ody at the rear bottom, and in the back, the opposite side, front lower, close to the jack point. Doing away with the point/condenser. Great move. I carried spare points and condenser for a while. Adjusting the valves at valve cover gasket replacement, or at oil changes, is great advice. Also, if a vert, the entire running board area. You may want to add that after 74, everything US models, were fuel injected and all super beattles. I've had four VWs. Two type 1, and two type 2, buses. All pre 68. Great gideo.
I have to correct you on the MacPherson front ends on super beetles. They were very problematic when they were introduced to the beetle. The steering boxes would wear out quickly not to mention unstable at higher speeds. My mom had a 72 or 73 SB and it always had front end problems from day one from 72 to 2005 long time on the road lol.
I had 4 early beetles with good ol torsion bars and never had the issues the sb had hell I even had a few slammed and could do around 75mph and be stable.
I really didn't have any problems with mine, its rides great. I've had this up to 90 mph and didn't have shacks or become unstable. Now i did rebuilt the front end when i got the car, it was 30 years old at the time, and was worn out. Since then i've put 40,000 to 50,000 miles on it and never had any suspension problems
Torsion bar beetles thrive on neglect, Super beetles ride much nicer than torsion bar beetles when they are looked after, but when you abuse and neglect you get problems a lot quicker.
kyungi1 your absolutely right about the steering. Mine is wearing out and troublesome at high speeds. If you want a beetle with an older steering column assembly (which is easier to repair) you have to get a 69 or earlier. My choice of years is a 69.
kyungi1 McPherson struts are much better for road use. But don't expect to be able to baja a super.
I had a 71 SB. The front suspension had to be well maintained and parts replaced a bit more frequently than most cars. If it was well maintained and in good shape though it handled extremely well.
I had that very car....drove it for eight years or so...served me pretty well, but it was quirky, in fact sometimes it would fix itself...
I had a 78 brazilian bug about 20 years ago. Can't remember how many times that car let me down on the side of the road. That car hated me. I'd love to have a super beetle with the curved windshield, it looks much more comfortable to drive.
panchoskywalker I had a 71 super beetle and problems with it from day one. I also had a 74 super beetle that would always overheat and brake down. Heck when I was driving the motor stopped.. I had to push it in the middle of a highway. I prefer my 63 and 73 beetle.
Best car that I ever brought it when there were 20 thousand miles on the clock sold it when their was 400 thousand miles on the clock. fantastic car.
I dig it "And everything"!
I know in Mexico. They kept that body style until the early 2000s. The last passenger card I have vent windows besides the F150 in 1997.
I drove my 73 from fresno to san Francisco and back I was praying I wouldn't have many problems but this freaking car man it kicked ass no problems whatsoever except coming back I tried to avoid the big hills cus it would over heat a bit
my brother wants to get one but hes not a car guy...he said hes willing to lern stick if he can get one and yah...worried for him
I have a buddy that bought a bug and before he started dailying his he got the engine, suspension and electrics done done over and the car hasn't given him problems in the past 3 years that he has it
I believe the Super Beetle with the flat screen is the 1302 while this is a 1303.
John Wilkinson yes, and the 1302 super was only available for a year and a half
@ Clifford Rice .........hey Clifford, I must say what an excellent, and most informative and down-to-earth- HONEST video you made here, right-0 Brother, loved it! thank you Sir!
I had a dark blue 74 beetle I loved that car so much. Even with the rust and everything lol. Now I'm 6'0 but I want that car back hopefully it won't be to bad lmao
The super beetle was introduced in 1970, My 70 convertible had the flat windshield. I think if you check the windsheild and the front suspension are the primary differences. THEY DID NOT CHANGE THE SIZE OR SHAPE OFF THE MAIN BODY. 71 was also when the vents were added for cabin ventilation. They continued to market the regular beetle for a few more years. Personally I didn't like the attempt at a dashboard. I liked the flat window flat dash.
The only difference from a beetle and a super beetle is the improved suspension and the bigger boot. Easiest way to check is if the spare tire lies flat. If it lies flat it's a super beetle, if it's vertical it's a regular beetle. The point you made with the curved windshield and the "real" dashboard is from the '73-models and beyond, ergo 1303 series. You have super beetles that are earlier models, like the 1302S, which have a flat windshield and a "flat" dashboard.
This video is super helpful! Thanks a million my guy!
Thanks for sharing! Great tips!
have a 74 super beetle .. the most comon problem is the Contact points replace them with electronic ones ..and if you have a stretch change the push rods into chromoly and upgrade the oil cooler and your bettle will ran just like a moderncar
Let's get some things straight regarding the Super Beetle. One of the first things said in the video is that the Super Beetle has a curved front windshield. This is true only with 1973 and newer Super Beetles. It is also longer than the standard Beetle. The Super Beetle became an available option to the standard Beetle with the 1971 model year. From 1971 to 1972, the only things different between the standard and Super Beetle was the front clip forward of the windshield. Everything else rearward, including the front windshield, is the same. The 1971 and 1972 model years (Super Beetle) are one off in that that the front hoods, while they may look the same as the 1973 and newer, are very different. The two are not interchangeable with the newer model Super Beetles any more than the Super Beetle hood, regardless of year, are not interchangeable with the standard Beetle hoods. The Super Beetle regardless of its model year use a McPherson Strut front suspension. Again, 1971 and 1972 share each other's parts but are not interchangeable with the 1973 and newer Super Beetles. Should you buy any Beetle (Standard or Super Beetle)? Depends upon how much work you are willing to do and how much money you are willing to spend. Parts are becoming more and more rare. While you may be able to find many parts, both OEM and aftermarket, not everything is available. For example, virtually every horn equipped old skool Volkswagen, including every Beetle, Super or otherwise, uses a contact bearing in the steering column that allows the horn to work regardless of where the steering wheel is. It's available for pretty much all horn equipped VW's...... except the 1971 and 1972 Super Beetle and they're not interchangeable with the 1973 and newer.
I’ll buy one like you said thy are out there
I have a 1971 super beetle. My windshield is flat as a house window. The Super Beetle has a flat windshield and spit it out.
Clifford, actually the word is adjust the valves every 3000 miles. not 10,000. Adjust every oil change around 3000 miles
Always check the frame head under the front on Supers!
The super beetle really pays off. The most important change to normal ones is that he has the rear axle of the Porsche 911 from the late sixties. The same rear axle was also later used in the Porsche 944 Turbo with 220hp. So you can guess that, with the right tires, the super beetle grips extremely good and is very fast around corners. (modern fwd cars cant make turns like this) All other beetles have the ancient rear axle which was designed in 1938. This one doesnt grip very good and tends to oversteer very uncontrolled.
Bolleka .. Not completely true. The standard bug started using the later type trans in 68 with the auto-stick and in 69 with ALL type 1 vehicles. I believe the type 2 and type 3 did the same, also starting in 68. The CV joint style driveline made quite a difference in handling because there was no "tuck-under" of the wheels on hard turns. With this new system you could remove the trans for repairs without disassembly of the suspension. I have no idea why they went back to the early style swing-axle for the Mexican and Brazilian bugs, other than maybe cost cutting.
@@rupe53 the mexican and brazillian beetles kept the swingaxle because that's what the factories were set up to make. those factories also kept producing the split window bus into the 1980's for the same reason.
the main difference between a standard beetle and a super beetle is the front suspension. super beetles use a mcpherson strut system similar to all modern front wheel drive vehicles which gives a smoother ride than the old trailing arm torsion bar suspension on the standard beetles. also, later super beetles had the bubble windshield and bubble dashboard.
@@marzsit9833 ... I have heard that before, but it doesn't add up that they would keep the rear suspension / trans and switch to a new style front suspension which is not as sturdy as the old torsion bar unit... especially in a country full of bad roads. This also means they need many hybrid parts, as all of the mounting points are different between those suspension types.
This video is going to be my next drinking game. Ever time he says it I will take a shot.
I've had a few, and here in the northeast they rust all over. One of the, the seam between the pan and body inside the from wheel wells, and water would get in the cabin driving in the rain. Two of them leaked gas because the bottom of the gas tank rusted a tiny hole, had to get that welded.
I think those crescent vents at the back are there to defrost the back window, not cool the engine. they are sealed off from the engine bay.
One reason there are so few of the 21 million around is that they were stamped out very thin high carbon steel; that was light a strong but rusts away very fast compared to heavy sheet metal found in domestic car of the time.
Okay I saw what you were talking about the distributor replace all that great job but they do have an adapter kit for the original old school just sugar is called in a nighter I've used it and it always works for me after I upgraded I love your video
Adjust valves every 10000 miles LOL this guy cracks me up , 3000 milles is factory recommendation to adjust valves - basically when you do an oil change
The man has a good heart…
Thanks for your video. Didn't even know there were super bugs, perhaps we didn't get many in Australia. I am really surprized that VW didn't make a rubber box to sit the battery in, as is the case with many japanese motorcycles. I suppose this battery problem of acid leaking has been fixed by using sealed batteries in these older cars.
We got quite a lot of them in Australia as the Volkswagen L. Prior to that was the first Super Beetle - the Volkswagen S. The L was discontinued with the arrival of the Golf.
Don't forget: Its rear engined and don't look at the front compartment (he said this but incase you are too lazy)
Brother, great mods that you've made on your Beetle.. Sweet car that you have. I live in Houston, if you EVER wanna sell her, please drop me a line on here !!!
Superbeetle has bigger and round tail lights as well. Great video.
I drove air cooled VW's (bugs, Karamann Ghia and a 411) for several years. One of the biggest drawbacks was that the heaters sucked (The heater took air from the engine fan, and ran it through an exhaust heat exchanger into the cabin). Since it used the engine fan, it was useless at low rpm (in town, you had to not go past 3rd gear to get any heat at all). It only really worked well at full throttle, high rpm (e. g. pulling a hill in 3rd). In a snowstorm, the defrost worked just well enough to ice it up good. It was better when it was snowing to run with the heater off and the wing vent open to direct outside air on the windshield. With the windshield cold, the snow wouldn't stick. Of course, you needed to dress warmly when doing this so you didn't freeze to death.
My heater always worked good in this car. Maybe to good, lol it melted a few shoes. Only problem was i had to leave a window crack so the exhaust fumes didn't get to me.
Let us not forget if you got a slight cut in the hoses, the instant fogging of the windshield from the steam!!!