Okay I should have worded it better and NOT said ultimately the two fight because you can speak him out of it. Stupid on my part but reason was I wanted to talk about the destruction of the NCR and Legion. TLDR: You can talk Ulysses out of it and it’s not cannon that the bombs go off!
@@iceicebabieI kinda want to change the timeline of fo3 and nv so that by the time you get to lonesome road its 2077 and thats what triggers vault techs bombing of shady sands.
I'm pretty sure this DLC is the only time where you can get all sorts of ammo without buying it from vendors. Armor piercing, hollow point, incendiary, etc. It's a gold mine.
I've always been confused about where this was supposed to be. Ashton, NV is just outside of Death Valley, and Death Valley has active faultlines. So that makes sense, except for an idyllic green community outside one of the hottest places in the world. Is that where the weather control from Big MT, comes in?
I always love seeing the lore for the DLC. It's especially nice here since sometimes it gets confusing to piece together at times. Also, outside of enjoying the journey and story. I love the loot in his expansion. Elite Riot Gear is easily top 5 to get in the entire game.
Ah Ulysses... Take the "pettiness" slider, and crank it up to max, add a pinch misguided understanding of history and ethical philosophy, with a side-order of everything is black or white, and you've got Ulysses.
I did the DLC on like lvl 18, should not have survived but did and made my overencumbered butt out of the divide with my ill gotten goods. Talked our flag obsessed boy out of nuking the NCR. And instead nuked them and the Legion myself. Now about to make my way back as a double-double agent for the Legion/NCR and help/backstab them while empowering myself as only Courier has the nuclear god given right to own the Mojave. And maybe finally body Benny while the Friends theme song is blaring in the background. RIP Matthew Perry
Actually, Joshua Graham mentioned that the Divide was destroyed before the first Battle for Hoover Dam and that if it didn't, the Battle for Hoover Dam would've been much, much worse for the Legion if it hadn't
"The Mathlands are a dangerous place, they consist of the Divide, it's dangerous inhabitants, and any and all equations you can dream of." -Ulysses, probably.
The Marked Men really did not deserve their fate. Fighting a war under two different banners that Ulysses never shuts up about, now forever trapped trying to survive in a sand and radiation blasted part of the wasteland. No more NCR, no more Legion, just the Marked Men. The people there wanted a united faction of NCR and Legion, and they got what they asked for, just not the way they would have wanted.
maybe that was their excuse and it was really one of the chtulu interloper things. So they claimed it was a fault line. So many nukes might have prevented it from coming through. Though I am wondering why they had so many nukes when they were too small to really do anything
@@ravinraven6913they were actually not a small and uselles nukes büt the city destroyer type ones büt of course they scaled it down for gameplay "mechanics"
There were also logs that mentiones weird voices coming from ground and when Ulysses talking about tunnelers, he said that not a nuclear fallout caused existence of tunnelers. They were there before war so not only they built nukes ön fault lines büt also around unknown Creatures.
@@ryhi5 he didn't get better, he just didn't die. He still feels the fire and the burns, he didn't die but he turned more into a monster than he was before.
Again should have done better with the ending part of the video. Wanted to talk about the 2 nuked areas of NCR and Legion but certainly made it sound like those were the canon endings. Sorry
Fallout 4 takes place after New Vegas and you see through Kellog’s memories that the NCR is still around so I doubt it was destroyed by the nukes. As for the Legion that’s a different story.
@YoungTroy23 While I highly doubt that the nukes were connonically launched, Kellog's memories do not invalidate that being the case. It was the trade route between the NCR and the Mojave that gets nuked, not the main NCR territory or a city.
@@YoungTroy23isn’t Kellogg canonically like 100 years old and the memories he had were not dated so don’t take them as recent to the date Fallout 4 takes place, it could be possible those memories are from 50+ years before the events of Fallout 4 so they don’t mean a thing regarding the events of New Vegas could have been decades since he las saw or travels to California
@@YoungTroy23The show just showed us the "fall" of Shady Sands and gave us NCR remnants as a bunch of degenerate Raiders. So by the same vein we could assume they don't end up too well off. But the show also sucks ass and should be ignored entirely, so there's that 😂
The marked men make no sense and prove that the area isn't that bad. You can stay there a month and none of them die from the wind. are they ghouls, why did the legion and NCR marked men join sides? What if the courier did die from the wind? makes most of what Ulysses did pointless. Cold revenge, the type that you didn't even know you had. So you kept that anger and desire for revenge permeate your being till the day you draw your last. I loved this game, but there was too much exposition dumps. I wanted to like Ulysses but I couldn't get over his past. But something inside me knew that no matter what I did, it was meaningless. Should have just let go and start again.
@@davidroth2061this always bugged me. I get being blinded by anger and grief but come on, the courier helped build that place through his actions; if Ulysses stopped to logic for a second, between that and the fact most couriers don’t know what they’re delivering, he’d know it wasn’t 6’s fault. But then the writers wouldn’t know how to progress the plot I guess
@@justinterrell7020my personal headcannon for this is that deep down Ulysses knew that the courier wasn’t at fault for what happened but he needed someone or something to place his hate and grief on, he needed to find a reason to keep going after only he survived weather that reason was found in logic or not
The DLC was fun to play but the story just didn’t seem too make much sense from a technical standpoint to me. Why would the chip auto launch all those nukes. Should’ve tied that to a choice I feel versus random chance.
So it's kind of done that way on purpose. The courier doesn't remember going through the divide, and surely doesn't remember causing it's destruction. He/she is like us, wandering through, getting blamed for things by Ulysses for events completely out of our control. It's kind of convoluted and confusing on purpose.
It was a pre war device found in Navarro after the NCR took it from the Enclave. But as for why they went off like that, I remember a theory that it was because the legion sabotaged it, a spy altering the device to detonate the nukes rather than simply arm them for launch.
@@jayl5032i get it, but i must admit ulysses talking about things the player did not do, regarding things the player did not remember felt really alienating. I liked it more when the courier was a random guy
you can do a lot of cool stuff in the game, it leaves you complete freedom so getting told this stuff and not having any agency whatsoever felt jarring compared to the test of the game. Also, ulysses talks like a 14 years old kid who just discovered poetry. Really cool how it connexyed to the rest of the dlcs and the main game though. It was also fun finally meeting a character that is as capable of influencing the events as the player character
It was a pre war device found in Navarro after the NCR took it from the Enclave. I've seen a theory that it was legion sabotage of the NCR, a spy altering the device to detonate the nukes rather than simply arm them for launch.
It was a pre war device found in Navarro after the NCR took it from the Enclave. I've seen a theory that it was legion sabotage of the NCR, a spy altering the device to detonate the nukes rather than simply arm them for launch.
It's Enclave technology, considering that The Enclave is formed from parts of the Old world US Government, it's likely the device either wasn't intended for the divide, or was intended to try and neutralize the threat of someone finding and launching the hidden nukes at them
If u think about it the tv show isn’t far off how a community such as shady sands could be wiped from the map as seen by the courier delivering a package an accidental destruction but the Tv shows a malice reason to wipe a town out just because he wanted his wife to suffer so it shows literally that any community even in the dc wastes and Boston’s it could be reduced without warning
I thought the same after watching the show and finishing my NV run. Also, interestingly it was the NV fans that were complaining about nuking of Shady Sands, which is weird considering that Lonesome road is entirely about that.
The difference is the Divide was built around a stockpile of warheads waiting to be detonated, Shady Sands was built in the middle of bumbfuck nowhere. The lesson is to not be so careless with technology and situations you don't even understand. Ulysses even gives you shit because you rely *so much* on the Pip Boy, the map, the quest markers and inventory, instead of just paying attention to what you're doing. Hell, so does Father Elijah in Dead Money, and he's the exact kind of guy Ulysses is warning you about. That's the lesson, not "Uuuh.. war bad. War never changes." No, war never changes *because* of people that are either too careless, ignorant or malicious to change anything.
This dlc could be perfectly explained to me and still wouldn't make sense. Like the Courier just delivered a nuke activator on accident? Theres also the tunnellers which are never seen before and never seen again even though they are apparently this great threat (fallout show likely disproves this. Also because robots liked Ulysses he was able to survive all the nuclear blasts while literally every other person died or became a feral ghoul thing that organized into and ncr/legion alliance thingy. Also theres a courier v courier plot line going on for some reason. Theres also warheads you can shoot with a laser i'm assuming just to add something random. I also disliked the divide when playing through, it was boring 1 npc thats at the end, no interesting storylines, no interesting encounters, and nothing really fun
Loved the video @WiseFish! Can't wait for the next video man! Looking into the Fallout Lore on all the Factions within the Games and Hearing about the different Areas is a pretty good idea to help better understand the Area and Time of each Game. F0ck the NCR and F0ck the Legion! Go with the Boomers and the Annihilation Run at Hoover Dam!
MY POOR POOR TROOPERS 😢I M SO SORRY we sended u to the divide i hope my troopers may rest in peace O legion hope u rest in peaces hope it hurts legion😂 NCR and proud
Okay I should have worded it better and NOT said ultimately the two fight because you can speak him out of it. Stupid on my part but reason was I wanted to talk about the destruction of the NCR and Legion.
TLDR: You can talk Ulysses out of it and it’s not cannon that the bombs go off!
For this video I'll just operate on the idea of it being canon. Oh well lol! Good stuff man
@@iceicebabieI kinda want to change the timeline of fo3 and nv so that by the time you get to lonesome road its 2077 and thats what triggers vault techs bombing of shady sands.
"nothing worth scavenging" mann they got like 10 missiles, 4 stimpacks and 30 5.56 ammo in every container u search!!
I'm pretty sure this DLC is the only time where you can get all sorts of ammo without buying it from vendors. Armor piercing, hollow point, incendiary, etc. It's a gold mine.
specially since the rocket launchers Red glare, aka the frame rate dropper.
He forgot to mention what happens when you manage to talk down Ulysses. You don't HAVE to kill him.
Yep I should had added an emphasis on the talking him out of it honestly. My bad!
Talking him down and fighting the marked men together was always my cannon ending for Lonesome Road. Hands down my favorite new Vegas dlc
2 couriers burying the hatchet, teaming up, and fighting raving madmen to escape is always the canon ending.
i talked him down the first time i played, now i just use the flag behind him as a canvas, his brains as paint, and the AMR as my brush
Talking him down was the only way I could beat it. I tried so many times to fight him but lost every time. Even spamming mini nukes wouldn't save me.
I've always been confused about where this was supposed to be. Ashton, NV is just outside of Death Valley, and Death Valley has active faultlines. So that makes sense, except for an idyllic green community outside one of the hottest places in the world. Is that where the weather control from Big MT, comes in?
Yep, The Divide is Death Valley.
Nah, you pretty much nailed it. It's in Death Valley and that's more than likely the main reason for the weather control.
I always love seeing the lore for the DLC. It's especially nice here since sometimes it gets confusing to piece together at times.
Also, outside of enjoying the journey and story. I love the loot in his expansion. Elite Riot Gear is easily top 5 to get in the entire game.
Wish we could see what The Divide looked like before the nukes ripped it open.
Ah Ulysses...
Take the "pettiness" slider, and crank it up to max, add a pinch misguided understanding of history and ethical philosophy, with a side-order of everything is black or white, and you've got Ulysses.
Apart from that…cool guy
@@WiseFish Cool voice. Too bad it has such a fixation on bulls and bears.
I wish we could have seen some of The Divide before this.
Right off the bat, a montage of the wasteland.
Am i listening to a bass test or watching a wisefish video? no one will ever know...
Joshua was thrown into the grand canyon not off the dam
The Fallout tv show I guess makes it canon that the courier stops the nukes and decides not to deploy them
Good video
𝐚 𝐰 𝐞 𝐬 𝐨 𝐦 𝐞 _!!!_
New Vegas makes the coolest settlement then they nuked it
red fo4 ghouls
Ulysses is easily one of the most interesting characters in the Fallout universe. I'd love it if he made an appearance in a future game.
I did the DLC on like lvl 18, should not have survived but did and made my overencumbered butt out of the divide with my ill gotten goods. Talked our flag obsessed boy out of nuking the NCR. And instead nuked them and the Legion myself. Now about to make my way back as a double-double agent for the Legion/NCR and help/backstab them while empowering myself as only Courier has the nuclear god given right to own the Mojave. And maybe finally body Benny while the Friends theme song is blaring in the background. RIP Matthew Perry
Cool vid bro.😺
Erm ack-Tully Joshua Graham was thrown down the Grand Canyon. 🤓☝️
This is a certified *Bull Bear Bull Bear Bull Bear Bull Bear* Moment
You forgot the bearing bulls and bulling bears.
You forgot to prep that bull
What's it gonna be, huh, HUH?
Bear?
B e r e...
Or Bull?
B u l...
"I have no idea what Ulysses is saying."
I love the stock market
❤😂😮😮😮😮😮❤
I just want to remind everyone that Ulysses' voice actor also did the voice of Biological Research Station in the Sink, Big Mt.
Damn! Really? Talk about two completely different characters.
Actually, Joshua Graham mentioned that the Divide was destroyed before the first Battle for Hoover Dam and that if it didn't, the Battle for Hoover Dam would've been much, much worse for the Legion if it hadn't
What about The Divide's sister region, The Multiply?
(X-Files theme)
What about the cousins, Add and Subtract?
"The Mathlands are a dangerous place, they consist of the Divide, it's dangerous inhabitants, and any and all equations you can dream of."
-Ulysses, probably.
< Think Tank thinking intensifies >
The Marked Men really did not deserve their fate. Fighting a war under two different banners that Ulysses never shuts up about, now forever trapped trying to survive in a sand and radiation blasted part of the wasteland. No more NCR, no more Legion, just the Marked Men. The people there wanted a united faction of NCR and Legion, and they got what they asked for, just not the way they would have wanted.
Fallout loves to give people there wishes monkey paw style
Twisted metal style huh
only in Fallout where the army would build Nuke Silos on a Fault Line.
Right…
maybe that was their excuse and it was really one of the chtulu interloper things. So they claimed it was a fault line. So many nukes might have prevented it from coming through. Though I am wondering why they had so many nukes when they were too small to really do anything
@@ravinraven6913they were actually not a small and uselles nukes büt the city destroyer type ones büt of course they scaled it down for gameplay "mechanics"
There were also logs that mentiones weird voices coming from ground and when Ulysses talking about tunnelers, he said that not a nuclear fallout caused existence of tunnelers. They were there before war so not only they built nukes ön fault lines büt also around unknown Creatures.
I thought Graham was burned and thrown into the Grand Canyon
He was! And then He got better!
Guy's a badass.
@@ryhi5 he didn't get better, he just didn't die. He still feels the fire and the burns, he didn't die but he turned more into a monster than he was before.
@@ravinraven6913 it was a joke! I know that!
Fallout tv show could totally use the divide for season 2, maybe thats how dad gets to new vegas
They didn't do new vegas justice in that CGI ending 😂
^its shown for like .5 of a second wtf do you mean “it didn’t do it justice” no shit lol
@neurabunni940 good thing I didn't ask you anime porn̈ watching lil boy
Joshua Grahm was thrown of into the grand canyon not the hoover dam.
God damn it, Ulysses is so fucking stupid. He really brings the whole game down a notch
Thank you, Wise Fish! Can you please cover Frank Horrigan, and the Republic of Dave.
I'd love a Frank Horrigan video!
I forgot about the republic of Dave hahahha
Graham was throw off the Grand Canyon not the Hoover dam
We don't talk about the burned man around here.
Don't know why this video makes it seem like Ulysses' death and the nukes launching is undisputed canon.
Again should have done better with the ending part of the video. Wanted to talk about the 2 nuked areas of NCR and Legion but certainly made it sound like those were the canon endings. Sorry
Fallout 4 takes place after New Vegas and you see through Kellog’s memories that the NCR is still around so I doubt it was destroyed by the nukes. As for the Legion that’s a different story.
@YoungTroy23 While I highly doubt that the nukes were connonically launched, Kellog's memories do not invalidate that being the case. It was the trade route between the NCR and the Mojave that gets nuked, not the main NCR territory or a city.
@@YoungTroy23isn’t Kellogg canonically like 100 years old and the memories he had were not dated so don’t take them as recent to the date Fallout 4 takes place, it could be possible those memories are from 50+ years before the events of Fallout 4 so they don’t mean a thing regarding the events of New Vegas could have been decades since he las saw or travels to California
@@YoungTroy23The show just showed us the "fall" of Shady Sands and gave us NCR remnants as a bunch of degenerate Raiders. So by the same vein we could assume they don't end up too well off.
But the show also sucks ass and should be ignored entirely, so there's that 😂
The marked men make no sense and prove that the area isn't that bad. You can stay there a month and none of them die from the wind. are they ghouls, why did the legion and NCR marked men join sides? What if the courier did die from the wind? makes most of what Ulysses did pointless. Cold revenge, the type that you didn't even know you had. So you kept that anger and desire for revenge permeate your being till the day you draw your last.
I loved this game, but there was too much exposition dumps. I wanted to like Ulysses but I couldn't get over his past. But something inside me knew that no matter what I did, it was meaningless. Should have just let go and start again.
Great Video Mate, Hope you do one for Honest Hearts
Thanks WiseFish, I really appreciate your lore videos. You cover a lot of the games I enjoy so much.
Ulysses has got to be one of the best characters we have ever gotten from a Fallout Game.
Actually just make that from a game. Wait make that one of the best characters.
He annoys me so much like bro bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull bear bull you destroyed my town >:((
@@TaskForce-fy4jk Yeah I mean he hates the courier because you delivered a package. It's not like we knew what was in the box
@@davidroth2061this always bugged me. I get being blinded by anger and grief but come on, the courier helped build that place through his actions; if Ulysses stopped to logic for a second, between that and the fact most couriers don’t know what they’re delivering, he’d know it wasn’t 6’s fault. But then the writers wouldn’t know how to progress the plot I guess
@@justinterrell7020my personal headcannon for this is that deep down Ulysses knew that the courier wasn’t at fault for what happened but he needed someone or something to place his hate and grief on, he needed to find a reason to keep going after only he survived weather that reason was found in logic or not
Some people don't like lonesome road. Me this dlc is the true ending for new vegas. Hoover dam was the epilogue.
The DLC was fun to play but the story just didn’t seem too make much sense from a technical standpoint to me. Why would the chip auto launch all those nukes. Should’ve tied that to a choice I feel versus random chance.
So it's kind of done that way on purpose. The courier doesn't remember going through the divide, and surely doesn't remember causing it's destruction. He/she is like us, wandering through, getting blamed for things by Ulysses for events completely out of our control.
It's kind of convoluted and confusing on purpose.
Yeah this dlc is just a fever dream I honestly thought the ending would be the courier waking up from a dream
It was a pre war device found in Navarro after the NCR took it from the Enclave. But as for why they went off like that, I remember a theory that it was because the legion sabotaged it, a spy altering the device to detonate the nukes rather than simply arm them for launch.
@@jayl5032i get it, but i must admit ulysses talking about things the player did not do, regarding things the player did not remember felt really alienating. I liked it more when the courier was a random guy
you can do a lot of cool stuff in the game, it leaves you complete freedom so getting told this stuff and not having any agency whatsoever felt jarring compared to the test of the game. Also, ulysses talks like a 14 years old kid who just discovered poetry. Really cool how it connexyed to the rest of the dlcs and the main game though. It was also fun finally meeting a character that is as capable of influencing the events as the player character
Ulysses is Bull bear Bull Bear Bull Bear BULLSHIT
MODLIST?
So who made the package that made the nukes go off underground, and why did they make it?
probably made before the war by america and it was made to most likely launch the nukes after china nuked america, but they never got the chance
It was a pre war device found in Navarro after the NCR took it from the Enclave. I've seen a theory that it was legion sabotage of the NCR, a spy altering the device to detonate the nukes rather than simply arm them for launch.
It was a pre war device found in Navarro after the NCR took it from the Enclave. I've seen a theory that it was legion sabotage of the NCR, a spy altering the device to detonate the nukes rather than simply arm them for launch.
It's Enclave technology, considering that The Enclave is formed from parts of the Old world US Government, it's likely the device either wasn't intended for the divide, or was intended to try and neutralize the threat of someone finding and launching the hidden nukes at them
Glad to see this channel growing, first found it from the metro vids a couple years ago
If you make a lore about rapture and columbia, pls make lore about mr house and new vegas
what's funny is we still don't know who the coureur really is or where they came from.
The Lonesome Road is my second favorite DLC beside The Pitt DLC
👇Whats your Favorite DLC?👇
If u think about it the tv show isn’t far off how a community such as shady sands could be wiped from the map as seen by the courier delivering a package an accidental destruction but the Tv shows a malice reason to wipe a town out just because he wanted his wife to suffer so it shows literally that any community even in the dc wastes and Boston’s it could be reduced without warning
I thought the same after watching the show and finishing my NV run.
Also, interestingly it was the NV fans that were complaining about nuking of Shady Sands, which is weird considering that Lonesome road is entirely about that.
The difference is the Divide was built around a stockpile of warheads waiting to be detonated, Shady Sands was built in the middle of bumbfuck nowhere. The lesson is to not be so careless with technology and situations you don't even understand. Ulysses even gives you shit because you rely *so much* on the Pip Boy, the map, the quest markers and inventory, instead of just paying attention to what you're doing. Hell, so does Father Elijah in Dead Money, and he's the exact kind of guy Ulysses is warning you about. That's the lesson, not "Uuuh.. war bad. War never changes." No, war never changes *because* of people that are either too careless, ignorant or malicious to change anything.
the tunnellers.
shout out fort daggerpoint key lol my bad, ay ulysses nuke both man all good im a new vegas many anyhow
Much love from nz
neat!
Ulysses has side The divide 218 times
This dlc could be perfectly explained to me and still wouldn't make sense. Like the Courier just delivered a nuke activator on accident? Theres also the tunnellers which are never seen before and never seen again even though they are apparently this great threat (fallout show likely disproves this. Also because robots liked Ulysses he was able to survive all the nuclear blasts while literally every other person died or became a feral ghoul thing that organized into and ncr/legion alliance thingy. Also theres a courier v courier plot line going on for some reason. Theres also warheads you can shoot with a laser i'm assuming just to add something random. I also disliked the divide when playing through, it was boring 1 npc thats at the end, no interesting storylines, no interesting encounters, and nothing really fun
Loved the video @WiseFish! Can't wait for the next video man! Looking into the Fallout Lore on all the Factions within the Games and Hearing about the different Areas is a pretty good idea to help better understand the Area and Time of each Game.
F0ck the NCR and F0ck the Legion! Go with the Boomers and the Annihilation Run at Hoover Dam!
I nuke both factions before I decide which one I’m joining so I can get both of the armors and get to use those free passes
+respect for including the Scorpio bit. Best side character.
fallout episode 3 when? ):
Can you do a vid on Legate Lanius?
SCIENCE!!!
Great vid as always fish, whenever you (eventually ) get done with the fallout lore stuff maybe you should try exploring the lore of FNV DUST 👀
Bruh, wasn't expecting a simpsons clip.
MY POOR POOR TROOPERS 😢I M SO SORRY we sended u to the divide i hope my troopers may rest in peace O legion hope u rest in peaces hope it hurts legion😂 NCR and proud
Great Video, Please do more Fallout New Vegas Videos. I know there is already a lot of New Vegas lore videos, but I enjoy your style.