Wizz A320 has AIRSPEED INDICATIONS DISAGREEING | Precautionary Return

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  • Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
  • Wizzair A320 performing flight from Bucharest to Stockholm was climbing after departure when the pilots requested to join a hold to troubleshoot an airspeed indication issue.
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  • @VASAviation
    @VASAviation  4 роки тому +77

    Seems unimportant but you don't want to lose your airspeed indications...

    • @bja2024
      @bja2024 4 роки тому +19

      Pitot Static and Air Data Computer issues are always important since you cannot hear the hum in the biplane wing wires any more.

    • @atubebuff
      @atubebuff 4 роки тому +3

      ATC pronunciation for the departure controller is quite sub-standard here. I understand English may not be their native language but...

    • @qingnanduan8180
      @qingnanduan8180 4 роки тому

      Yeah you always have the stick shaker

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому +7

      Qingnan Duan this was an airbus. They don’t have them

    • @bja2024
      @bja2024 4 роки тому +4

      Qingnan Duan - The one controlled by the ADC?

  • @largesoda1729
    @largesoda1729 4 роки тому +154

    When your flight turns into a sightseeing tour of Bucharest instead

  • @Hopeless_and_Forlorn
    @Hopeless_and_Forlorn 4 роки тому +100

    This incident seems to have been handled with a maximum of professionalism all around. Kudos.

    • @andrewbirch3033
      @andrewbirch3033 4 роки тому

      Chapeau, Otopeni Approach.

    • @sarahalbers5555
      @sarahalbers5555 4 роки тому

      It was great to hear how well the pilots and ATC handled this. The name Wizzair however.....

  • @Xanthopteryx
    @Xanthopteryx 4 роки тому +38

    I spotted several things here, that was really really good (and even if it seems like obvious it is not something that everyone do!):
    * Clearly telling about the problem and what their request was.
    * The classical Aviate - Navigate - Communicate was present in several areas:
    -- At first, they wanted to stay with tower (instead of switching and all that comes with it) so they could concentrate on flying.
    -- Reason for go around was not important at that moment. They wanted to fly the airplane, and if you have shaky air speed indicator, you need more focus on that - flying the airplane.
    * Clear requests all through. Height, place and more.
    * Caring for the airport and surround (can we hold here or is this fucking up your plans on the airport)
    * Other plane double checked what to do in a missed since they noticed that the by the book are had a plane in it.
    * Did a missed because... something was not as perfect as they would have wanted it to be. Better safe than sorry and they had a lot of tries regarding the fuel that was left so, no hurry.
    * Planning ahead with everything from missed to rolling out the end.

    • @revenevan11
      @revenevan11 4 роки тому +3

      This comment is pretty much the best one on this video imo. Excellent summary, especially since many are asking about the go-around. They were still very heavy on fuel after all 👍

    • @Xanthopteryx
      @Xanthopteryx 4 роки тому +1

      @@revenevan11 Thank you! Makes me happy to read!

  • @82kgamer
    @82kgamer 4 роки тому +59

    They planned to land at max landing weight but i think they hadn't burned it all off when commencing the approach and went around because they were still just above it.

    • @lawrencewestby9229
      @lawrencewestby9229 4 роки тому +13

      The other possibility I thought of was perhaps they were going to touch down a bit farther down the runway than they wanted considering the weight.

    • @andrewsmall6568
      @andrewsmall6568 4 роки тому +13

      @@lawrencewestby9229 Yes, you plan and need a "perfect" landing right on the numbers when at Max weight. With an airspeed indication problem you may also plan a faster than normal approach. Really no need to take chances with a fully functioning aircraft. Of course if you hit perfect landings as a pilot 99.9% of the time (and i know some who do!), you are certain to mess up the 0.1% of the time you need one!

    • @robertborchert932
      @robertborchert932 4 роки тому +5

      I agree with either contingency. In addition, no problem practicing a missed approach either.

    • @murrmiaow
      @murrmiaow 4 роки тому +3

      Another possibility: they were landing the opposite side of the runway compared to the other flights. Maybe, the tailwind component got higher than expected?

    • @TheMtotheArvin
      @TheMtotheArvin 4 роки тому

      @@murrmiaow wind at 290 should be fine for Runnway 26, shouldnt be?

  • @777DEHME
    @777DEHME 4 роки тому +20

    A320/321 can make overweight landing normally. the correct reason for holding is leveling off for troubleshooting after unreliable speed indication memory item applied. With respect to the pilots, they were giving ATC the option to send them some where for holding instead of requesting specific position for holding at specific altitude( that should have been stated during TO briefing). Commendability!

  • @arnoldsherrill6305
    @arnoldsherrill6305 4 роки тому +8

    This is one of my favorite channels on UA-cam and the new beginning of this just gives me chills in all the best ways possible

    • @soplex2720
      @soplex2720 4 роки тому

      Yeah it looked awesome.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +7

      Always making new things for the viewers trying to improve the content :)

  • @CC80
    @CC80 4 роки тому +20

    Ok love that opening.

    • @danuttall
      @danuttall 4 роки тому +4

      Too bad that plane was shown taking off with no flaps or slats! Someone should have been getting a take-off configuration warning if that was accurate. At least it landed with flaps deployed in the recreation.

  • @rayg9069
    @rayg9069 4 роки тому +3

    Extremely professional behavior by all, concern for other aircraft in the area, and the other Wizzair having situational awareness of the holding flight was very unexpected and restores confidence that there are professionals still flying.

  • @herrpausr7008
    @herrpausr7008 4 роки тому +4

    All communication is done in english, so everybody on the frequency can understand what is going on. Well done!

  • @PlaneSpottingBerlin
    @PlaneSpottingBerlin 4 роки тому +9

    ATC is still waiting for the Go Around reason :D

  • @ITkonsulent
    @ITkonsulent 4 роки тому +8

    Very well handled by both tower and pilots. I just looked at a trip with Wizz Air two weeks ago to Bucharest, but their reviews are even worse than Ryanair (says a lot), so I decided to go with another airline. But, hearing this I have least have some confidence in their pilots skills! I may reconsider them for another trip later in the year because of this. If anything goes wrong, I will be happy to fly with these pilots. :-)

    • @WebWolf89
      @WebWolf89 4 роки тому +1

      Nonsense! I actually prefer Wizz over Ryanair... Just because. I think they both have bad reviews because of people used to fly legacy airlines, often payed by their companies and so on, and because of the no-frills approach. But for my money, I always chosen low-cost to fly around Europe and kept the money to spend on a better hotel and other goodies. Never an issue.

    • @OnTourWithGerrit
      @OnTourWithGerrit 4 роки тому +1

      I fly often from Köln or Dortmund (CGN & DTM) to Kyiv. I use WizzAir for more than 8 years now. I cannot complain. Most of the time they are on time. You don't have much legroom, but what do you want to expect when purchasing a ticket for less than 20€? Safety and good CRM seemt to be a standard in WizzAir policy.

  • @aswler
    @aswler 4 роки тому +2

    A great video and job! I was quite surprised to see so many Wizz flights at OTP. As if there were no other airlines.

  • @sidderaal6030
    @sidderaal6030 4 роки тому +1

    Beautiful to see how the pilots handled this problem with so much professionalism. Great job by the pilots and as always a great video from you!

  • @thomasmuc1339
    @thomasmuc1339 4 роки тому +20

    All right then, keep your secrets...

  • @Chrisamic
    @Chrisamic 4 роки тому +1

    Wiz 2AR was on the ball. Full marks for monitoring the airband and being aware of what was going on even while preparing their own approach. I'm a rank novice but recognise that as great airmanship. Bonus easter egg that I wasn't expecting.

  • @brianpyrogaston6183
    @brianpyrogaston6183 4 роки тому +1

    Well done by all the pilots, including the company traffic coming in to have the heads up enough to ask about MA procedures with regards to the holding aircraft. I’m guessing they went around because they weren’t quite at max landing weight (they’d be facing some questioning by maintenance and leadership as to why they landed above max landing weight for that problem). Well done Wizz Air pilots and all the controllers involved!

  • @gooner72
    @gooner72 3 роки тому

    It's a good thing that aircrew and ATC operators are trained to such a very high standard, they are well worth the money they earn.

  • @avproductions5184
    @avproductions5184 4 роки тому +12

    It’s like watching NASCAR. Left turn... left turn... left turn...

  • @norbert1636
    @norbert1636 4 роки тому +3

    wow this sounds much like AirFrance 447, frozen tubes if they had IAS issue...great pilots and great ATC

  • @EHEHspotter
    @EHEHspotter 4 роки тому +4

    love the safe landings !! thks for the clip!

  • @Leroys_Stuff
    @Leroys_Stuff 4 роки тому +3

    That opening was sick

  • @OnTourWithGerrit
    @OnTourWithGerrit 4 роки тому

    I fly regulary with WizzAir from Germany Köln / Cologne (CGN) and Dortmund (DTM) to Kyiv (IEV).
    Technical problems can occour, but it is always good to know, that the Crew is working on a very high level. I am not afraid of a technical issue, but of wrong CRM. Seems like, not only in the Cabin but also in the Cockpit the level of proffessionality is high. Even if the flights are often very cheap.
    TIme to bock a flight now after some restrictions of Corona are lifted.

  • @crikeyscreates
    @crikeyscreates 4 роки тому +3

    Such a good pilot!

  • @kd5byb
    @kd5byb 4 роки тому +1

    I had to look up "drum bun" - Romanian for "farewell" per google. Also the name of a very nice Romanian military march! Love the stuff I learn watching this channel!

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +6

      VASAviation also teaches languages :)

    • @kd5byb
      @kd5byb 4 роки тому +1

      @@VASAviation Indeed! I'm looking forward to using "drum bun" in near future. :)

    • @___Chris___
      @___Chris___ 4 роки тому +4

      "drum" means "way", i.e. "drum bun" literally translates to "way good" (meaning "have a good trip");
      "la revedere": good bye (literally: to seeing again, same as "arrivederci" in italian; the latin origin (not slavic, as some believe) of romanian language is quite obvious here)
      multumimi: thanks in plural ("we thank")

    • @DrunkHog
      @DrunkHog 4 роки тому

      And yea, somtimes they use ”LA RE” as a short for ”la revedere”

    • @theo3888
      @theo3888 4 роки тому

      It's another way to say goodbye
      I can't translate it directly

  • @dc1104
    @dc1104 4 роки тому +5

    The guys haven't flown much due to the pandemic, so they wanted to get some more stick time and went around 😉

  • @fefe9wyx
    @fefe9wyx 4 роки тому +1

    4:07 Checked the charts for LROP, the missed approach hold at OPT is at 3000 feet, 1000 feet below where WZZ6373 is holding.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +3

      You don't wanna join a holding 1000 below an emergency aircraft

    • @markovoda
      @markovoda 4 роки тому

      VASAviation - it was not an emergency

  • @mikeknowles8017
    @mikeknowles8017 4 роки тому +1

    2AR paying attention!

  • @tobias5740
    @tobias5740 4 роки тому +1

    So did they ever tell the reason for the missed approach?
    Anyway, great professionalism by the Wizzair crew. They handled it perfectly and it was a pleasure listening to him.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +3

      Not on frequency. Maybe on the phone thereafter

  • @smartycummins2500
    @smartycummins2500 4 роки тому +2

    Guessing the real reason for go-around was to burn off more fuel (you burn a lot of fuel executing a missed approach especially going into TOGA. I’d imagine the pilots also wanted to feel the airplane out in landing configuration to see which airspeed indicator is most reliable.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +1

      That can be a guess indeed

    • @smartycummins2500
      @smartycummins2500 4 роки тому +1

      VASAviation - just a guess! Always fun to guess! Safe flying man, I’m a CFII in South Carolina

    • @aussiebloke609
      @aussiebloke609 4 роки тому +1

      @@smartycummins2500 One other possibility is if they were touching down just a little further down the runway than they anticipated or wanted - especially if they're at max weight and have a potentially unreliable air speed indicator, this could be considered the prudent choice, just to make sure they have room to stop. But either way, it's nice to hear everyone staying calm and getting on with a solid job. :-)

  • @enricomosca4674
    @enricomosca4674 4 роки тому

    I managed a similar situation, years ago. Kudos to everyone. For the atc: maybe if you say the radar speed to the pilot, now and then, you could even help more.

  • @officialmcdeath
    @officialmcdeath 4 роки тому +18

    Do we know the reason for the go around? \m/

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +19

      They never said on frequency

    • @taupehat
      @taupehat 4 роки тому +4

      I would love to know too, but mostly I'm thankful the pilots elected to go around rather than try to force through whatever condition they didn't like. The plane was flying fine from the sounds of it but I'd imagine caution is heightened when landing max weight OR with an airspeed indication problem, much less both.

    • @AEMoreira81
      @AEMoreira81 4 роки тому +4

      Landing conditions may not have been right with a maximum landing weight touchdown. Luckily, this had been planned before the approach.

  • @hewhohasnoidentity4377
    @hewhohasnoidentity4377 4 роки тому

    The incident aircraft indicates the incident is resolved but they need to hold to burn fuel. I'm guessing either they isolated the incorrect airspeed and set displays to give them accurate data. Did they not continue to destination due to rvsm or oceanic requirements for all systems to be operative or due to remaining fuel being inadequate after holding to isolate the erroneous airspeed?

  • @almiro.1008
    @almiro.1008 4 роки тому +4

    My first flight HA-LWI 🙂✈

  • @Dusty7460
    @Dusty7460 2 роки тому

    Great job from the ATC and Pilots, all of them are Romanian. La revedere !

  • @cadenbresk4867
    @cadenbresk4867 4 роки тому +2

    Was flying at KSNA doing pattern work #1 plane for 20L in front of me lost power on take off from a touch and go under three hundred feet did a 180 and landed 20R. First emergency I’ve seen in person and the guy executed it perfectly would love to see the break down of it

  • @zeitgeistx5239
    @zeitgeistx5239 4 роки тому +23

    Bucharest Approach's English...

    • @willduan4869
      @willduan4869 4 роки тому +4

      I know right? It sounds kinda like an American accent even

    • @wiktor6684
      @wiktor6684 4 роки тому +1

      @@willduan4869 maybe he earns more in OTP than in ORD or JFK xd

    • @murrmiaow
      @murrmiaow 4 роки тому +3

      @@wiktor6684 nah, the Romanian accent can be heard quite clearly.

    • @mrmessy7334
      @mrmessy7334 4 роки тому

      @@willduan4869 I can understand him a lot better than most of the American ATCs I hear on these videos!

    • @DrunkHog
      @DrunkHog 4 роки тому +2

      Some of the Romaian ATCs' accents are (a lot) stronger then others.
      They are, however, easier to understand. Native english speaking ATCs usually talk way too fast and bind sounds and silables together so that even for a non-native speaker it can be at times difficult to understand.
      In this case the Approach ATC's enghlish is... suprisingly good and the accent wasn't that obvious, at least compared to the tower's.

  • @andrewberg9611
    @andrewberg9611 4 роки тому +1

    Can we get ATC from when that C-17 Accidentally landed at the wrong airport in sep, 2012?

  • @rogerscottcathey
    @rogerscottcathey 4 роки тому

    For passengers gotta be a boring flight. Glad they were cautious.

  • @Forest_Fifer
    @Forest_Fifer 4 роки тому +3

    Got an ad at the start of the video for Jet2Holidays. Riiiight.....

  • @eeeyakini
    @eeeyakini 4 роки тому

    why he do on this case for a special altidude in case of miss approach?

  • @william.sherrington
    @william.sherrington 4 роки тому +2

    0:24 Stockhold! 😂😂 More like Stockholm (Arlanda)

  • @mlnrtms
    @mlnrtms 4 роки тому

    Boiler elado! 😁

  • @pa.lberlin586
    @pa.lberlin586 4 роки тому +32

    Curious how an American ends up working as ATC in Romania...

    • @rubenvillanueva8635
      @rubenvillanueva8635 4 роки тому +26

      Pa.L Berlin - Many controllers are hired by ICAO, and they work in many countries. I know British controllers working in Abu Dhabi, American in Bahrain. If you can pass the qualifications you can find work throughout the world.

    • @pa.lberlin586
      @pa.lberlin586 4 роки тому +10

      @@rubenvillanueva8635 Oh, interesting ... wasn't aware of that. Thank's. Some great opportunities for those gals and guys.

    • @andrewsmall6568
      @andrewsmall6568 4 роки тому +54

      I dont think he was American, just learnt English with an American twang. You can still tell the Romanian accent underneath.

    • @damluc91
      @damluc91 4 роки тому +13

      the ATC accent is well above the average but I can still hear a little bit of romanian accent. He definitely went to study english in the USA though

    • @souocara38able
      @souocara38able 4 роки тому +18

      He met a beautiful Romanian girl...

  • @rubenvillanueva8635
    @rubenvillanueva8635 4 роки тому +3

    ESSA = Stockholm, Sweden

  • @alexcuenta7561
    @alexcuenta7561 4 роки тому

    I still want to know the exact reason for the go around.

  • @may4092
    @may4092 4 роки тому

    4:04 this is doesn't make any sense the controller confirmed to execute the missed approach procedure in case of a go around and then he told them they will get vectors back for another approach in case of a go around.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +3

      It does. Follow the standard but expect vectors at some point

    • @markovoda
      @markovoda 4 роки тому +1

      Their clearance is to follow standard missed app, vectors are to be expected only.

  • @amateurshooter6054
    @amateurshooter6054 4 роки тому

    Thanks

  • @scottsmith2483
    @scottsmith2483 4 роки тому +1

    Can anyone explain why they held for 2.5 hours instead of requesting a fuel dumping at a higher altitude? Those poor, passengers!

    • @andresrey4730
      @andresrey4730 4 роки тому +8

      The Airbus A320 doesn’t have fuel jettison.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому +3

      Because the A320 can’t dump fuel

    • @brianpyrogaston6183
      @brianpyrogaston6183 4 роки тому +1

      They only held for less than 1 hour, they just needed to reduce weight by about 2.5 tons or 6000 lbs. Many countries will not allow you to dump fuel unless you declare an emergency. And yes the A320 cannot dump fuel. Many airliners can’t.

  • @Tushka154
    @Tushka154 4 роки тому

    Love the opening, however the reg is wrong, this was HA-LYV, not -LWI, also the animation shows an A321, whereas the incident aircraft was an A320, not to mention in the old livery.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому +1

      We have already had this discussion and it seems FR24 has labelled the track wrong as there are other sources from the time it happened that state it was actually LWI. Not sure why FR24 labelled it wrong

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +2

      We have already discussed this. The aircraft with the emergency was LWI

    • @Tushka154
      @Tushka154 4 роки тому

      @@VASAviation My bad, probably missed that part.

  • @annadamico7066
    @annadamico7066 4 роки тому +1

    that plane took a wizz

  • @MSRTA_Productions
    @MSRTA_Productions 4 роки тому +1

    Why does this aircraft's P&W sound like a NEO?

  • @NicholasLittlejohn
    @NicholasLittlejohn 4 роки тому +1

    I see where their name comes from now 😂

  • @hofstee26
    @hofstee26 4 роки тому

    See how the pilot hesitates about the transition altitude (@1:10 it requests FL40 but gets back an altitude of 4000 feet)

    • @hofstee26
      @hofstee26 4 роки тому +2

      @Mircea Altitude is measured with air pressure (an accurate barometer). In order to know how high you are above sea level, you set your altimeter to the current air pressure (e.g. @9:04 you hear QNH 1020, which means 1020 mbar air pressure at sea level). The air pressure is important because the wrong setting could result in not enough clearance to high obstacles, e.g. mountains.
      Fast forward to international flight. Air pressures differ between regions. You don't want to correct your altimeter all the time. You don't want incorrect altimeter settings to result in collisions. In order to mitigate that, they change to "flight levels". They all set the altimeter to 1013 mbar and be done with it. It is no longer called "altitude" (as it refers to altitude above ground level) but "flight level" (where 4000ft would translate into FL40, dividing by 100). Some call it barometric altitude.
      There is always a regional rule on where to switch from "altitude" to "flight level". This is called transition altitude (above it, you must switch from altitude to flight level). There is also a transition level (where below it, you must switch to altitude). Sometimes this is high (e.g. in the presence of mountains). But even in the Netherlands, which is flat, it is 3500 ft / FL40. It can also differ between VFR and IFR. An example of a regional rule: www.lvnl.nl/eaip/2020-07-02-AIRAC/html/index-en-GB.html
      This procedure, of adjusting to QNH or 1013 will change the indicated altitude on your altimeter. In the past, incorrect altimeter readings have crashed a lot of planes, e.g. Turkish Airline 981.

  • @phapnui
    @phapnui 4 роки тому +1

    There is aerial refueling...why not aerial "unfueling" so it's not wasted?

    • @LeeBee-hs6mj
      @LeeBee-hs6mj 4 роки тому +3

      That sounds dangerous in an commercial airliner setting. Unnecessarily putting lives at risk. Aerial refueling is generally only performed by the military.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому +2

      What commercial aircraft have aerial refuelling?

    • @merkin22
      @merkin22 4 роки тому +1

      @@tomstravels520 None. Some can't even dump fuel.

    • @keith_5584
      @keith_5584 4 роки тому +1

      Pumping the fuel is the dangerous part. Keeping the aircraft lines togather means either the aircrafts have to dock or be very precise by flying togather. The act of the pumping is also dangerous because of the fumes and how quickly it would need to be exchanged.
      Now personally, I think something like a fuel recovery pod, or some kind of neutralizer and ejector would be the way to go. IE mix something removable later into a special modular fuel tank, and eject it, or better yet, have something remove it by either a drone, or a parashute, then collected. It would have to be neutralized first and very difficult with the amount of planes in the air at any given time. Ejecting projectiles to other jet engines would be a major hazard, so maybe a special no fly zone

    • @vito774
      @vito774 4 роки тому +1

      Keith _ huh? Do you really think what you said is logical at all?

  • @markpunt9638
    @markpunt9638 4 роки тому

    Made it eventually then!

  • @Barceman
    @Barceman 4 роки тому

    Do they have to comply with the sterile cockpit rules during the hold?

    • @MiGutzu
      @MiGutzu 4 роки тому +1

      Barceman 1003 yes

  • @Enrique6299
    @Enrique6299 4 роки тому

    Can someone explain why didn't the pilots go to dump fuel?

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +4

      This aircraft cannot dump fuel

  • @bencesarosi7718
    @bencesarosi7718 4 роки тому

    "Wind 290 at 4"
    Then why on Earth is 08L the active runway?

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому

      4 knots

    • @bencesarosi7718
      @bencesarosi7718 4 роки тому

      @@VASAviation That's indeed not much, almost calm, it'd just make more sense (with the context I have) to switch over to 26.

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому

      Why 26? Preference is 08

    • @bencesarosi7718
      @bencesarosi7718 4 роки тому

      @@VASAviation Any why's that?

  • @tomstravels520
    @tomstravels520 4 роки тому

    Think you have the wrong reg and airport. According to Flightradar24 it was HA-LYV and it was going to Stockholm Skavsta (ESKN)

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +4

      Incorrect. This was HA-LWI

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому

      VASAviation - well in that case they must have tagged the wrong registration to the track because the track is still available to view and it says HA-LYV

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +3

      I see what you mean now. That is very strange. I have Gold subscription and I have checked the replay for that day. FR24 shows LWI in emergency but the history for LWI is empty and the emergency track is on LYV instead.

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому

      VASAviation - yes same subscription. That’s why I was convinced it was LYV as for me it shows (on phone app) that LWI didn’t fly that day

    • @Hans_R._Wahl
      @Hans_R._Wahl 4 роки тому

      @@tomstravels520 The Aviation Herald (Report from May 24th, 2020 - please read more there) stated that it was HA-LWI performing Flight W6-3201 from Bucharest Otopeni to Stockholm who had the incident. HA-LYV as replacement reached Stockholm with a delay of 4:15 h.

  • @konquer247
    @konquer247 4 роки тому

    Reason for the missed approach?

  • @SomeTechGuy666
    @SomeTechGuy666 4 роки тому

    Couldn't ATC verify their airspeed so they could verify which instruments were working correctly ? Couldn't they get AS from a GPS app ?

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +6

      ATC usually just gets Groundspeed

    • @SomeTechGuy666
      @SomeTechGuy666 4 роки тому +1

      @@VASAviation Yeah, I guess. You can't get actual air speed with GPS unless there is no wind.

    • @randomgeocacher
      @randomgeocacher 4 роки тому +1

      VASAviation - isn’t ATC’s information in Europe from mostly from transponders if the transponder is reporting info? I.e. if planes instruments are in error and transponding bad info, the info on ATC screen will also become unreliable? I have a vague memory of that being part of an accident long ago. Not that I know anything about airplanes and could be totally wrong, I just have a vague memory of seeing something like that in an airplane crash documentary.

    • @markovoda
      @markovoda 4 роки тому +1

      randomgeocacher it should be a mixture of primary and secondary radars combined with ads-b

    • @randomgeocacher
      @randomgeocacher 4 роки тому +1

      Marko Nikolic I think I’ve found a reference to what I had a vague memory of; an 2011 safety warning on ATCs being fed incorrect data when airplane is in error mode and transponding garbage. Not sure if that problem is reliably remedied today. Perhaps a well trained ground controller can distinguish between transponded data and actual radar readings.
      “The controller decided to obtain an independent verification of aircraft’s Mode C from a third-party agency; he subsequently received confirmation that the displayed altitude on radar corresponded to that shown on No1 altimeter and the aircraft’s assigned flight level and he informed the pilot accordingly. It transpired however, that due to a faulty altimeter, the displayed altitude information was incorrect - the Mode C and No1 altimeter were both showing an altitude 2000 feet below the PC12’s actual level (as shown correctly on the No 2 altimeter).”

  • @zwyklyuser44
    @zwyklyuser44 4 роки тому

    2 missed approaches - bad weather at the moment?

    • @VASAviation
      @VASAviation  4 роки тому +2

      One missed approach by Wizzair

  • @sharpdressedvan
    @sharpdressedvan 4 роки тому +1

    I glad someone can understand those accents...without captions I wouldn't have understood a word.

    • @DrunkHog
      @DrunkHog 4 роки тому

      How come? I think they were very good and clear. And personally I've had little to no trouble at all understanding heavy irish, indian, australian accents, even most of the chinese ones,

  • @CMDRFandragon
    @CMDRFandragon 4 роки тому +1

    wizzair? that paint job though.....and the name....soooo, there is alot of pissing going on in those planes....

  • @germantobon5498
    @germantobon5498 4 роки тому

    If airspeed is good enough to hold for hours, its good enough to continue to destination.
    Most companies allow overweight landing as this qualifies as an exceptional situation.

  • @highflyerl23
    @highflyerl23 4 роки тому

    Thats a A321. Just fyi.

  • @Lakesider52
    @Lakesider52 4 роки тому

    I thought English was the international language for aviation but the very first air traffic control voice was stretching that concept.

  • @davidmacdonald4296
    @davidmacdonald4296 4 роки тому +4

    3:26 "the problem is now solved" - if it's fixed why return to the field?

    • @Matt-pd2cq
      @Matt-pd2cq 4 роки тому +28

      Because it could be an indication of a larger problem and the problem could recur. You don't want to be the pilot who says oh okay, we're good, and then a larger problem surfaces at a much higher altitude and with no nearby runway to emergency land.

    • @jpzv_old
      @jpzv_old 4 роки тому +9

      The main reason is because you don't know what it could be. Maybe the pitot tube was obstructed or there is a problem with the indicator itself. In those cases the issue could come back anytime while flying and it could be a fatal accident (there was already one accident for this kind of issue).
      Also because the flight was already burning fuel for come back. Even if the flight must have extra fuel for any kind of problem at landing, it could be unsafe to continuing flying with less fuel than normal because if there is any issue while landing (like missing approach, or long wait pattern) the pilots will not have a lot of error margin (there was also an accident for something like this. Not exactly the same but kind of)
      Edit: by the way, the accident about the speed indicator was the Birgenair Flight 301

    • @777DEHME
      @777DEHME 4 роки тому

      exactly 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @TheAirportfan
      @TheAirportfan 4 роки тому +1

      Adding to the given reasons it even makes sense economicly to return to Bucharest because Wizz Air operates a base there and should have at least some maintainance there. Further they might have a spare plane at their base. There is no base in Sweden. The spare plane would have to fly to Sweden in both cases, since you will not depart when you have a fault in your speed system.

    • @aawillma
      @aawillma 4 роки тому

      @@jpzv_old Air France 447 was also brought down because the pilots reacted poorly to non-functional air speed indicators.

  • @Quasihamster
    @Quasihamster 4 роки тому +2

    Stockhold? The capital of Sweden you mean?
    That's Støckhøld :P

  • @Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co
    @Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co 4 роки тому

    WIZZAIR? Good grief!

  • @garrettbaker2320
    @garrettbaker2320 4 роки тому

    Wizzair? What a horrible name. Are you sure that's a fuel dump?

    • @tomstravels520
      @tomstravels520 4 роки тому +5

      No it’s not a fuel dump it’s a fuel burn. A320 can’t dump fuel

    • @garrettbaker2320
      @garrettbaker2320 4 роки тому +4

      @@tomstravels520 I know...it was a joke , but if i have to explain it....

    • @apple54345
      @apple54345 4 роки тому

      6/10

  • @SurveyCaptainAkari
    @SurveyCaptainAkari 4 роки тому

    The today's story: an airspeed indicator becomes a Karen

  • @patfarra627
    @patfarra627 4 роки тому

    Should have declared an emergency

    • @fifibella0
      @fifibella0 4 роки тому +4

      You’d only declare a mayday or emergency if there was risk to life. It was a safety problem but not necessarily a risk to life so Pan pan is the appropriate call

    • @xheralt
      @xheralt 4 роки тому +2

      *Pan Pan is an emergency,* and gives essentially the same priority as a Mayday. In fact, the only thing that can preempt a Pan Pan _is_ a Mayday, which is why Pan Pan exists... for issues that are not immediately and urgently life-threatening, to help ATC prioritize in case multiple cases arise simultaneously.

    • @brianpyrogaston6183
      @brianpyrogaston6183 4 роки тому +1

      The Pan call was appropriate; and honestly they really didn’t need to make that call either. And you could tell they were hesitant to even declare a Pan call.