The Orc-estra conductor nerf makes a HUGE difference, no longer can you increase by triggering it with Rylak, Murk-eye, or deathscale, but you actually have to play it. Much more like pogos now--still not impossible with ways to swap a minion off your board, but MUCH less passive scaling that made it an entire build.
I think it’s funny that Scrap Scraper has had so many keywords over its lifetime. It started as an avenge card, moved to end of turn, then got moved to deathrattle, and now it’s a battlecry too
Uninvited guest was kind of antisynergistic. You didn't want too many deathrattle summons because your handless guys wouldn't be reborn due to board space.
That didnt matter when u filled the whole board with Shadows everytime a minion died. Uninvited guest was NUTS. which is why they prolly removed em and replaced em with Deathwhisper who sucks. Seems to be kinda a theme them Turning back infinite combat summons for really mid scaling. Old beast for new beast for example. ALSO the bird nerf is beyond stupid, they already scale so little and slow, whilst Quilboar and Demons go apeshit in scaling.
If you could get two it was good, but I saw it more often as an anti undead tech than anything else. Deathwhisper might be better now that there are more ways to give things reborn
I think the Orc-estra nerf is that it won't get improved by battlecry triggers now, it will only get improved by playing another copy of the card. That's my interpretation of the wording
31:32 I believe this means you can’t get, for example, their Titus every single time. You’ll get a different minion each summon during a combat, until you run out of options.
@@Heretic721 That’s fair. I find it weird they chose not to have a text change, since it is a genuine balance change, but I suppose they decided it wasn’t needed. Definitely an odd move.
Thanks a lot for the review, as usual. I'm mostly happy with the changes overall. A few points in no particular order (well in the order of your video ^^): - Quillboars: They looked like they got slightly nerfed on paper, but after playing a few games with them in this new patch I feel they've actually been buffed. The tier 2 deathrattle minion was pretty weak and I was never happy to discover it. The taunt that took its place is much better, and not being a quillboar itself is actually a plus for me. The tier 5 battlecry version of Chargla getting its effect toned down from golden Chargla to just a regular one is reasonable and the fact that it's at tier 4 now more than makes up for it. This is still my favorite tribe, by far. - Beasts: The order of effects has also changed for Spiked Savior: instead of damaging your board then healing it back, it could now basically read as "give your minions +1 max HP". It still triggers all the new permanent buffs for Beasts, and it still removes your own divine shields if you have any, but it will never kill one of your own minions, now. Octo's massive buff is also significant. I don't think Goldrinn is relevant in this meta even if they keep buffing him. Beasts are all about permanent stat buffs, now, and they don't generate as many tokens as they used to (okay, aside from the bird combo that makes infinite taunts, but still). Without the banana cheater, a temporary +4/+4 doesn't seem worth the board space to me. By the time I reach tier 6 (or triple on tier 5), if I've already committed to Beasts I should have a board that would only get worse by throwing Goldrinn in. And if I'm not already playing Beasts, it's way too late to start and Goldrinn wouldn't be a good way to transition into it anyway. Overall, I still think the tribe should be a lot scarier now. - Sacred Gift removal: Somehow I feel this makes George's hero power even more broken, since he not only gets this tier-6, 6-mana effect for only 2 mana and right off the bat, now he has the exclusivity on these shenanigans. Thankfully he's just one hero out of a hundred or so. Well, the new style of Dragon boards will still get the effect for free anyway, but at least it's just the one tribe and it's an effect they already had, they just couldn't make it permanent. This makes things like Untameabull worse, but I'm not sad we'll see less full divine shield boards. - Mechs and Nagas are two tribes I never managed to work with and it feels like they might be viable sometimes with the buffs they both received. The order in which we get the minions matter a lot, that's very true. I'm still impressed by the super fast APM players out there who manage to make stuff like Lord of Gains or Lurker work, but I know for a fact for a slow player like me they're unplayable. Zesty, Deep Blue and the divine shield windfury venomous at tier 4 (used to be 5 I think?), that's basically all I can use reliably from Nagas and it should be more organic to gather those pieces now, so maybe. Mechs I'm still not excited about, but with at least one strong battlecry and more magnetics now, maybe they'll work sometimes. - Greymane and not-Baku (the even and odd tier buffers ^^): they buff themselves now, instead of just your other (odd/even tier) minions. That's a pretty great buff to both, I feel. Greymane giving twice the buff of the other one made no sense to me, especially since his pool includes tier 6 which makes it usually a stronger card than the tier 5 counterpart. Now I hope Greymane APM will no longer be a frequent and super powerful comp, but both cards seem pretty good in the right circumstances. I'm glad with these changes. - Weirdly enough, since the patch the tribes I'm comfortable with and can win with more or less reliably changed quite a bit. Quillboar is still my favorite tribe, and it's more viable and less RNG dependent now than it was last season (even better with this patch), but I realize it's still not a top tribe unless I get the right pieces at the right time. Undead are much harder to play now, for some reason. It was probably the tribe I performed the best with in the previous meta but now it feels kind of miserable until the late game. The new Dragons are very OP and even I can breeze through a top 4 or even a win if I get a Poet early enough (I used to suck at this tribe before). New Beasts are super strong until they fall off a cliff in the late game, so kind of similar to Pirates I guess? Maybe with this patch I'll be able to grab wins with Beasts. Demons I feel a bit similar about: it's pretty easy to get busted stats in the early and mid game, and I sometimes do if I didn't find anything better, but if I stick to it sooner or later someone will have a divine shield or an instant kill effect and my Demon board will become fodder to them. All in all, I'm having a lot more fun right now than I had in the quest meta, and I also enjoy playing more tribes and strategies. I think this patch should make the game even more enjoyable for me. Fingers crossed! PS: If you've read all this, thanks a lot and please keep up the great work!
Quills need an hotfix asap, they are not only winning every single lobby i have been in but they get 2nd places and often 3rd too, they are very broken.
@@CoffeeSipper555 Really? I'm honestly surprised. What MMR are you at? I'm typically around 5-6k and even though I'm always tempted to force a Quillboar build whenever they're available, it often fails miserably if I don't get lucky. I lean towards it because I love the tribe, not because it's strong or reliable by any means, let alone "broken". It's much better now than it was in the previous season, mainly because of the new Tier 6 they got who can make up for not finding a Piper and/or a Bacon along the way, and also the couple of cards who make a battlecry version almost as viable as the more organic "end of turn" build. But it's still weak early on and if you don't find the precious few cards that allow you to buff your blood gems in a timely manner, you just never take off and you lose hard. To me the clear "broken" tribe right now would be Dragons (it's the most reliable and one of the strongest too). You do need to find at least one Poet to truly take off to the late game, but even without the Poet they're super strong in the mid game. It's easy to set up and it gives you plenty of time to either find the Poet and commit, or find another win con and pivot to that without taking a ton of damage. The new Beasts and, as always, Pirates and Demons would be distant seconds as powerful tribes you only need a few pieces out of many to get a strong board going (at least until you find something better to transition into). And of course, Murlocs can still destroy everything else in the late game if they found the right pieces. Quillboars are still very much all or nothing. Less clunky than they used to be, but still far from a top tribe in general, I'd say. Even in slower lobbies without any of the stronger tribes available, I often myself being the only one going for them (or trying to). And I'm slowly learning to give up on them when it's not working.
31:40 I think it means If you have multiple or if you can trigger the deathrattle twice you won't be able to get the same minion multiple times from your teammates warband.
Spiked Savior was really bugged. You could give it reborn and you could trigger its reborn during its deathrattle and killing itself. Now its wordedin a way it should function properly as the card states. Kripp had a video about this if anyone is interested.
I think you missed wrath weaver's golden effect being twice instead of double the stats which makes a big difference when played with the tier 5 demon.(forgot its name) Also I think you missed mooneater's buff too. Cause now she buffs herself too. Great video though. Keep it up.
@@keiranhyland so you tap the card with two fingers at once then the menu appears. It's super bad Design in my opinion because it's so inconvenient for mobile users
Always love listening to your videos on my way to and from work. Love that you describe every card change in detail you’re the only person I get this kind of news from. Keep it up!!
Great video. BTW you did not recognise Wrath Weaver is a good buff actually, golden gains 1/2 twice not 2/4 anymore. and the orc-estra, I get this like now you improve with every card you play but don't stack the effect with Brann (correct me if Im wrong)
You are 100% right on the Orc-estra buff. Side affect of me not being considered a content creator so I get access to this stuff the same time as the public does. I have to rush to production :( One day... ONE DAY! I will have time to fully absorb this before making video's.
I JUST played a game, and figured this out! One of the disadvantages of having to get the patch notes, and RUSH out a video you do not have time to fully comprehend all the cards when there are so many. Still very good, BUT I would say better to never gold, and just keep bouncing back to your hand with spells/pass.
The Tier 6 card buffing even-tier cards is to me the weirdest change, I never used it or tried to scale it before and im definitely not buying it now. +2+2 wasnt enough to make it useful, and the synergy it has with anything else is very questionable. Very odd to me that they felt they had to nerf it to oblivion
The change to Misfit Dragonling was a NERF not a BUFF. A minor one, I should add, but dragons need health more than attack. You state in the VOD that "most people were not taking it". This is dead wrong. The card is a superstar in the Start of Combat Dragon comp. It is the primary target to place next to Persistent Poet, and is easy to triple because it's Tier 1. It typically outscales Tarecgosa. Other than that, the VOD was fine and I gave it a Like.
Guess it was just an example of experiences may vary scenario. While I did see this minion in the early game I almost never saw it late game, and near a poet even less so.
The Orc-estra conductor nerf makes a HUGE difference, no longer can you increase by triggering it with Rylak, Murk-eye, or deathscale, but you actually have to play it. Much more like pogos now--still not impossible with ways to swap a minion off your board, but MUCH less passive scaling that made it an entire build.
Also it upgrades with playing minion and not triggering, so it will not be upgraded two times if you play it with Brann
You didn't seem to catch that mooneater's champ now buffs itself. Huge change
Someone pointed it out in the comments earlier. I completely missed it on initial read.
I think it’s funny that Scrap Scraper has had so many keywords over its lifetime. It started as an avenge card, moved to end of turn, then got moved to deathrattle, and now it’s a battlecry too
Wouldn’t it be fun for them to move it to tavern 6 just to have all of the keywords? lol
@@Ejb5154The Scrap king, T6, 4/4:
Avenge (4), Battlecry, Deathrattle and At the end of your turn: Get a random Magnetic Mech
Uninvited guest was kind of antisynergistic. You didn't want too many deathrattle summons because your handless guys wouldn't be reborn due to board space.
That didnt matter when u filled the whole board with Shadows everytime a minion died. Uninvited guest was NUTS. which is why they prolly removed em and replaced em with Deathwhisper who sucks. Seems to be kinda a theme them Turning back infinite combat summons for really mid scaling. Old beast for new beast for example. ALSO the bird nerf is beyond stupid, they already scale so little and slow, whilst Quilboar and Demons go apeshit in scaling.
If you could get two it was good, but I saw it more often as an anti undead tech than anything else. Deathwhisper might be better now that there are more ways to give things reborn
I think the Orc-estra nerf is that it won't get improved by battlecry triggers now, it will only get improved by playing another copy of the card. That's my interpretation of the wording
yes, me and heretic did a couple duo games and figured that out
Our poor Rylak... his efforts were not appreciated!
31:32 I believe this means you can’t get, for example, their Titus every single time. You’ll get a different minion each summon during a combat, until you run out of options.
That makes more sense. I just feel like I was not confused by that card, and then the clearing up of it confused me!
@@Heretic721 That’s fair. I find it weird they chose not to have a text change, since it is a genuine balance change, but I suppose they decided it wasn’t needed. Definitely an odd move.
Thanks a lot for the review, as usual. I'm mostly happy with the changes overall. A few points in no particular order (well in the order of your video ^^):
- Quillboars: They looked like they got slightly nerfed on paper, but after playing a few games with them in this new patch I feel they've actually been buffed. The tier 2 deathrattle minion was pretty weak and I was never happy to discover it. The taunt that took its place is much better, and not being a quillboar itself is actually a plus for me. The tier 5 battlecry version of Chargla getting its effect toned down from golden Chargla to just a regular one is reasonable and the fact that it's at tier 4 now more than makes up for it. This is still my favorite tribe, by far.
- Beasts: The order of effects has also changed for Spiked Savior: instead of damaging your board then healing it back, it could now basically read as "give your minions +1 max HP". It still triggers all the new permanent buffs for Beasts, and it still removes your own divine shields if you have any, but it will never kill one of your own minions, now. Octo's massive buff is also significant. I don't think Goldrinn is relevant in this meta even if they keep buffing him. Beasts are all about permanent stat buffs, now, and they don't generate as many tokens as they used to (okay, aside from the bird combo that makes infinite taunts, but still). Without the banana cheater, a temporary +4/+4 doesn't seem worth the board space to me. By the time I reach tier 6 (or triple on tier 5), if I've already committed to Beasts I should have a board that would only get worse by throwing Goldrinn in. And if I'm not already playing Beasts, it's way too late to start and Goldrinn wouldn't be a good way to transition into it anyway. Overall, I still think the tribe should be a lot scarier now.
- Sacred Gift removal: Somehow I feel this makes George's hero power even more broken, since he not only gets this tier-6, 6-mana effect for only 2 mana and right off the bat, now he has the exclusivity on these shenanigans. Thankfully he's just one hero out of a hundred or so. Well, the new style of Dragon boards will still get the effect for free anyway, but at least it's just the one tribe and it's an effect they already had, they just couldn't make it permanent. This makes things like Untameabull worse, but I'm not sad we'll see less full divine shield boards.
- Mechs and Nagas are two tribes I never managed to work with and it feels like they might be viable sometimes with the buffs they both received. The order in which we get the minions matter a lot, that's very true. I'm still impressed by the super fast APM players out there who manage to make stuff like Lord of Gains or Lurker work, but I know for a fact for a slow player like me they're unplayable. Zesty, Deep Blue and the divine shield windfury venomous at tier 4 (used to be 5 I think?), that's basically all I can use reliably from Nagas and it should be more organic to gather those pieces now, so maybe. Mechs I'm still not excited about, but with at least one strong battlecry and more magnetics now, maybe they'll work sometimes.
- Greymane and not-Baku (the even and odd tier buffers ^^): they buff themselves now, instead of just your other (odd/even tier) minions. That's a pretty great buff to both, I feel. Greymane giving twice the buff of the other one made no sense to me, especially since his pool includes tier 6 which makes it usually a stronger card than the tier 5 counterpart. Now I hope Greymane APM will no longer be a frequent and super powerful comp, but both cards seem pretty good in the right circumstances. I'm glad with these changes.
- Weirdly enough, since the patch the tribes I'm comfortable with and can win with more or less reliably changed quite a bit. Quillboar is still my favorite tribe, and it's more viable and less RNG dependent now than it was last season (even better with this patch), but I realize it's still not a top tribe unless I get the right pieces at the right time. Undead are much harder to play now, for some reason. It was probably the tribe I performed the best with in the previous meta but now it feels kind of miserable until the late game. The new Dragons are very OP and even I can breeze through a top 4 or even a win if I get a Poet early enough (I used to suck at this tribe before). New Beasts are super strong until they fall off a cliff in the late game, so kind of similar to Pirates I guess? Maybe with this patch I'll be able to grab wins with Beasts. Demons I feel a bit similar about: it's pretty easy to get busted stats in the early and mid game, and I sometimes do if I didn't find anything better, but if I stick to it sooner or later someone will have a divine shield or an instant kill effect and my Demon board will become fodder to them.
All in all, I'm having a lot more fun right now than I had in the quest meta, and I also enjoy playing more tribes and strategies. I think this patch should make the game even more enjoyable for me. Fingers crossed!
PS: If you've read all this, thanks a lot and please keep up the great work!
Quills need an hotfix asap, they are not only winning every single lobby i have been in but they get 2nd places and often 3rd too, they are very broken.
Thank you! Well thought out. If people take the time to watch my content the very least I can do is take time to read the comments!
@@CoffeeSipper555 Really? I'm honestly surprised. What MMR are you at? I'm typically around 5-6k and even though I'm always tempted to force a Quillboar build whenever they're available, it often fails miserably if I don't get lucky. I lean towards it because I love the tribe, not because it's strong or reliable by any means, let alone "broken". It's much better now than it was in the previous season, mainly because of the new Tier 6 they got who can make up for not finding a Piper and/or a Bacon along the way, and also the couple of cards who make a battlecry version almost as viable as the more organic "end of turn" build. But it's still weak early on and if you don't find the precious few cards that allow you to buff your blood gems in a timely manner, you just never take off and you lose hard.
To me the clear "broken" tribe right now would be Dragons (it's the most reliable and one of the strongest too). You do need to find at least one Poet to truly take off to the late game, but even without the Poet they're super strong in the mid game. It's easy to set up and it gives you plenty of time to either find the Poet and commit, or find another win con and pivot to that without taking a ton of damage.
The new Beasts and, as always, Pirates and Demons would be distant seconds as powerful tribes you only need a few pieces out of many to get a strong board going (at least until you find something better to transition into). And of course, Murlocs can still destroy everything else in the late game if they found the right pieces.
Quillboars are still very much all or nothing. Less clunky than they used to be, but still far from a top tribe in general, I'd say. Even in slower lobbies without any of the stronger tribes available, I often myself being the only one going for them (or trying to). And I'm slowly learning to give up on them when it's not working.
I never read patch notes and all that, I just watch your videos. Thanks!!!
About Mooneater's Champion - it's actually a buff, as it now buffs itself (give your odd-Tier, not give your other odd-Tier)
31:40 I think it means If you have multiple or if you can trigger the deathrattle twice you won't be able to get the same minion multiple times from your teammates warband.
Spiked Savior was really bugged. You could give it reborn and you could trigger its reborn during its deathrattle and killing itself. Now its wordedin a way it should function properly as the card states. Kripp had a video about this if anyone is interested.
For Manigamoose, I'm pretty sure it means it can now only summon one copy of each one, even if you trigger the deathrattle twice
Actually it means now it only summons a minion only once.
If the deathrattle activates twice or it is golden it will not summon the same minion twice.
I think you missed wrath weaver's golden effect being twice instead of double the stats which makes a big difference when played with the tier 5 demon.(forgot its name)
Also I think you missed mooneater's buff too. Cause now she buffs herself too.
Great video though. Keep it up.
Honestly i was super skeptical about duos but i had a lot of fun with strangers this season
the few games i played were also fun, except for the painful moments when your mate does something completely stupid
I haven't tried yet but does anyone know how it works on mobile, how do you communicate with each other? Does it tap into your mic.
@@keiranhyland so you tap the card with two fingers at once then the menu appears. It's super bad Design in my opinion because it's so inconvenient for mobile users
@@M4XD4B0ZZthanks I was avoiding duos on mobile for this reason.
The Even Odd guys are now also buffing themselves, I think.
Ooo great catch! This is indeed what I think happens since it no longer says "your other odd/even"
personally the winged chimera I like more now becasue that buff is perminant. I get that now it doesnt solo a token board, but has scaling now(?)
Always love listening to your videos on my way to and from work. Love that you describe every card change in detail you’re the only person I get this kind of news from. Keep it up!!
Great video. BTW you did not recognise Wrath Weaver is a good buff actually, golden gains 1/2 twice not 2/4 anymore. and the orc-estra, I get this like now you
improve with every card you play but don't stack the effect with Brann (correct me if Im wrong)
You are 100% right on the Orc-estra buff. Side affect of me not being considered a content creator so I get access to this stuff the same time as the public does. I have to rush to production :( One day... ONE DAY! I will have time to fully absorb this before making video's.
Why do I not recognize 1/2 these cards???
My man the stats showed that misfit dragonling at 1/2 was the best performing 1 drop in the game. Changing it to 2/1 is a slight nerf not buff
If I'm reading Orc-estra right it upgrades when played now, not when triggered
That’s what I’m getting from it too
I JUST played a game, and figured this out! One of the disadvantages of having to get the patch notes, and RUSH out a video you do not have time to fully comprehend all the cards when there are so many. Still very good, BUT I would say better to never gold, and just keep bouncing back to your hand with spells/pass.
great changes, although some of minor nerfs/buffs are a bit questionable. terrific video as always
Great video, keep it up heretic
I'm not good enough at bgs to understand the depth of these changes. But I'm happy to listen to this
26:40 mooneater is BUFFED not nerfed cause it can buff itself now
The Tier 6 card buffing even-tier cards is to me the weirdest change, I never used it or tried to scale it before and im definitely not buying it now. +2+2 wasnt enough to make it useful, and the synergy it has with anything else is very questionable. Very odd to me that they felt they had to nerf it to oblivion
It was broken with any cycle comp (murlocs or pirates especially) since their main minions just so happen to be even.
@@Ejb5154 Never seen it, and wont see it now
You should pay more attention on putting the correct vetsions of cards on the screen! Othervise great content!
Which ones were wrong? Luckily these are all old cards now so they have been deleted so they cannot return to be a issue!
Me and my friend used undead and uninvited guest I placed narrator and he used Murloc he couldn’t even place all the minions in the end of the turn
Thanks for the update video, very helpful. 🙏
The change to Misfit Dragonling was a NERF not a BUFF. A minor one, I should add, but dragons need health more than attack. You state in the VOD that "most people were not taking it". This is dead wrong. The card is a superstar in the Start of Combat Dragon comp. It is the primary target to place next to Persistent Poet, and is easy to triple because it's Tier 1. It typically outscales Tarecgosa.
Other than that, the VOD was fine and I gave it a Like.
Guess it was just an example of experiences may vary scenario. While I did see this minion in the early game I almost never saw it late game, and near a poet even less so.
Hello heretic, I find it so hard to play naga, can you give me some tips
Videos coming up for all these soon-ish! :)
Thanks Heretic appreciate your work
Great content man, keep it up!
Wrap-god is pointless as a beast. Should have turned it into a mech and/or undead.
Hey Heretic :)
15:32 monetising the battlegrounds
haha that is how they made BG's make money! The more you pay... the bigger it gets! I complete flubbed that line.
@@Heretic721 better than having a coffee cup in your medieval fantasy setting lmao
Meanwhile Quills getting 1st to 3rd places evey game because they are broken, good job with this "patch"
They do feel a little consistent in the games where I encounter them in managing to place very high.