Peter Windsor: Lando Must Become A Racing Driver Again!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
- In this interview with @peterwindsor we discuss Lando Norris's decision at the Hungarian Grand Prix to give up a winning position and cave to McLaren F1 team order, allowing team mate Oscar Piastri to win his first grand prix in Formula 1. We McLaren right to order Lando to give up first place or should they have allowed Norris and Piastri to race to the line to decide the winner of the Hungarian Grand Prix? We discuss Max Verstappen's uncharacteristically messy performance at the Hungarian Grand Prix and Verstappen went over the line with some of his comments and behaviour? Have Red Bull mismanaged Verstappen by giving him a Red Bull F1 car that is no longer the quickest on the grid and was Verstappen's race engineer right to call Max childish? Was Lewis Hamilton's masterful defensive drive one of his best ever and are Mercedes F1 making progress to becoming the fastest car on the grid? @peterwindsor gives his opinion on whether Lando Norris is too nice to be world champion and should Red Bull sack Checo Perez after the F1 summer break?
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Peter is old school. He knows F1 from years of experience and has the deep perspective needed. Great chat, thanks to both Cam and Peter.
If old school means he is dead wrong, then yes, he is old school.
@@simonmiller5118u the kind of guy who shouts " with the power of friendship "
To publicly shame and embarrass your driver the way McLaren did is unforgivable.
They have deballed him in public yesterday... shame on McLaren. And made it obvious that they have no faith in Lando winning the title.
The unforgivable bit was when he didn't give the position back straight away therefore robbing himself of the chance to retake his team mate legitimately. He chose to make a silly statement to show he was faster rather than actually giving himself the chance to win and prove it that way.
If he was gonna ignore them and win the race then fair enough but he wasn't prepared to do that so he should have yielded then re overtook his slower team mate in the many laps still left.
@@braveheart4603 you think the team that created this mess exclusively to prevent their drivers from racing anyone would let them race each other once they’ve swapped back? 😂😂😂
@@calebrandall6154 They had already gave them both permission to race each other. 🤦♂🤦♂
@@braveheart4603 why on earth would he give the position "back"? He didn't do anything wrong. If the team screws it up for Piastri that's their problem. The only acceptable reason to give team orders would be to let Lando win because he is ahead in the championship.
Engineer: "Max, can u let Carlos pass for 7th place plz" (torro rosso time)
max: "NO."
Engineer: "Max, let Checo past, you're champ allready"
Max: "NO."
Exactly,and that is,why he is a real racer.
And a real big jerk
And people do not remember that not following the orders thing from max. At the end of day every single point matters especially when your car is the best and on a upward trend while your rivals performing relativity worse. No one will recall this not following team orders thing if it allows you to fight for the championship, heck people will rejoice if lando is able to get even more closer to max in the following races.
@@AbhishekSingh-nq4rh Max allowed Riccardo thru in Germany 2016.
But he was also 18 at that time.
Lewis hamilton the goat, can i pass bottas to attack the car ahead, yes
Hamilton couldnt overtake, last corner of the race, hamilton backs off losing a podium while beeing secound in the championship, a fair world champion@@miquel440
What shocked me the most was how mclaren wouldn't say straightforward to Norris what the strategy was. Instead they kept beating around the bush, asking Lando to manage tires, avoid taking risks...This was so improfessional from the management imo. Clear and direct communication is key, especially in such situations
Why have public team radio in the first place? It’s just another marketing gimmick for a failing F1 circus.
@@davedewsnap288 I understand your point of view but tbh I appreciate the fact that we can hear what's happening within each team with minimum filters unlike other sports
That's easy. Norris was given directions pre race.
@@weallfollowmanutd
So was Piastri-and those instructions wouldn’t have been - challenge at the 1st corner, go wide recklessly taking y’self, your team mate and a charging verstappen out of the race
I always enjoy watching Peter laugh every time you call him the “GOATiest F1 mind”
Always great to see you two chopping it up after a great race. Cheers gents!
Thank you Simm! 🍻
The whole reason Lando was leading is because the team brought him in first on a track where the undercut is massive to cover Lewis (even though it didn't look like he was in range). If they brought Oscar in first like they should have done Lando would've still been P2 but at least would've had the whole final stint to try and get past. All they had to do is box Oscar then box Lando the lap after and they race until the end. That was their mistake.
@@tetra3000 Hamilton was 10s behind Norris when he stopped, he came back 30s behind, in five laps he cut the difference from 30s to 25s. McLaren had time to spare to stop Piastri first and then stop Norris in the next lap. The undercut argument is absolutely nonsense. McLaren's strategy department is full of braindead people.
A win is a win by any method possible. That's what a champion racing driver thinks.
Throwing 7 points away for the WDC. The most unprofessional thing I have ever seen. Hundreds maybe a thousand people work their asses off to become world champion. And then they do this. It's not only a huge slap in the face for Lando but also for all the people in the team and factory. Unbelievable just unbelievable.
Exactly
100%. They were under no threat from Lewis. The McLaren race managers created this ridiculous situation. On what planet would their logic ring true...I know, we'll disadvantage the lead car and then swap back around...that won't create an awkward situation at all...Note to McLaren, hire some people with perception.
Piastri did nothing wrong at the first corner, Norris had plenty of room and Verstappen was not Piastri's fight. Piastri is perfectly entitled to the track.
Yeah I’m mystified by Peter’s takes on this. Very odd. Was a masterclass by Oscar at turn one.
@@Jordyrugby yes me too....unless you are very new in this sport, something PW isn't, you cannot say that silly analysis cause Oscar didn't "torpedoed" Norris when getting to the 1st corner... it was a clean start from him and Norris, recognized by him, had a bad start.......as always
Max would fit perfectly in the mid-eighties era with Piquet, Prost, Senna and Mansell. His attitude and ballsyness would have given great footage in fight with those guys.
That’s not true at all, they would have punched Max’s lights out many times for unsporting conduct. Cheats were not appreciated in the times of tough men. Maybe not Prost, but Mansell, Piquet, Senna and many more would not have put up with such hypocritical and selfish behaviour
@@thankass4414 that’s so true
@thankass4414 Not at all. Max would’ve had way more unfinished races because the others wouldn’t have moved out the way while racing. Max is the best driver but he’s not a great racer - he still oversteps the race line and anyone around still better beware.
They would've punched him up after every incident those guys don't play games.
People here think that the drivers of the past would tackle Max, but forget what Max did to Ocon after the race in Brazil. I think Max will hit back just as hard. Would have liked to see it, Max fighting with Senna, Schumacher and Prost and so on. Simply Lovely 🧡
"The way I see it, if you're the driver on the inside, you own that corner" - Peter Windsor, three interviews ago 🤔
He’s a hypocrite,Alonzo is right British bias.
Total British circle jerk this has been
He had no chance of making the corner, he was going straight on 😂
@@NCINC-wx5jc Max yeah?
@@AJS86 yeah he was flying in, there is a reason why he hit Lewis’ back wheel as Lewis was turning to actually make the corner haha
I can't be the only one who completely disagrees with Peter's take?
I normally agree with most, but Oscar had full control of the race in the first stint. He is allowed to fight into turn 1 for position. Lando had a poor start.
McLaren were to blame for this, not Oscar.
Lando should've given the position back straight away and no doubt he would've overtaken on track.
You're not the only one. Peter has an excellent take 99% of the time in my opinion, but here he is just talking nonsense.
yes! I couldn’t believe it when he said McLaren were right for not double stacking in Silverstone. Didn’t you see Merc fam?
He's losing me a bit with these takes.
Go see the start. Oscar did NOTHING wrong. I can't believe Peter is making such a big deal of it. Watch how Lando almost had Oscar in the barriers on the run down to Turn 1. Also, McLaren gifted Lando the lead by boxing him first. I can't believe Peter's take on this.
Bud, you don't "win" a race on the first corner, multiple drivers have won races starting from P20, a lot can happen in a race, to say Oscar deserved the win because he took the first corner is ridiculous. He went off track a few times as soon as the pressure was one, and cooked his tyres, went off into the gravel as well. As for overtaking on the track, they were told they were not allowed to race each other after lap 40, so your argument is moot.
Absolutely agree with Peter. Lando is not going to win a World Championship with his current attitude. He needs to get tough. And soon
I totally disagree with Peter here. Sure many great drivers would never have relinquished that position such as he did but many also would have seen the wider picture. Drivers like Lewis would have made a very calculated decision based on many wider factors rather than fight for every single win and every single position out of principle.
Lewis is a great example of a driver who understands the politics and manoeuvres those type of things to his advantage to affect more than just a race win. Schumey was selfish but understood the wider politics well also. Those guys sacrificed wins to team mates in order to garner more support from a more bolstered team and it worked out very well for them.
I also think there's a decent chance that your career goes the way fernando's did when you become solely self interested. Hopefully not for his sake but i feel Max is at risk of putting himself into the same bracket as Alonso and being viewed as toxic to team environments.
@@braveheart4603wise words; Lando lacks the racing intelligence to bargain for an overtake on Pastry *after* returning the undercut advantage.
PW is just stirring (and doubling down on his "Piastri #2 driver" insistence.
@@braveheart4603 No. Don't agree with that. You're just complicating things with that assessment. I agree with you about Lewis and Schumacher. But at the end of the day the Champions of this sport all have the ruthlessness to win. Lando needs to stop worrying about how he might be perceived by the public, and how that might look to his Social media account followers. It seems all a bit too much like if I'm lucky I'll get a chance at fighting Max for the World Championship this year! He maybe has one chance. Grab that chance and go for it. Because I'm pretty sure that Lewis or Max or Shumi, or Senna would do, or would of done.
Problem is social media. The team and more than likley Lando would have worried about how many "unfriends" they all would have got if lando took the win. Lando should have turned his radio off and kept his foot in. Webber would have explained to his mini-me.
Yeah good luck trying to win the championship vs Red Bull if your teammate hates you and won't help, and half the garage thinks your a twat.
5 mins in and im already gobsmacked. Did peter even watch the race? Im not convinced because he missed out the context before the pitstops. Oscar overtook lando at T1 and had a 3 second gap before the pitstops but mclaren, in mclaren fashion, prioritised the slower driver and gave him the undercut stategy. Im a brit, but this british bias is sickening. Oscar is just as good as lando already, he has been scammed out of a win and a few podiums just to favour norris and they still have identical career win totals. What lando should have done is give the place back immediately and then overtake oscar on track, if he really is as good as everyone seems to think he is.
Peter said he went into turn 1 too fast & Lando had to avoid a collision which is bollocks
2 to 1, Oscar didn't need 5 seasons to win a race 😂😂😂
@@MalcolmTann0Agreed, I couldnt believe what I was hearing. It was a completely clean move, its not like he did a max and locked up both fronts while missing the corner completely. And then peter went as far to say that oscar should give up the win for the norris because he should want to "win fair and square"??? We have seen senna, Schumacher and max "win" championships they shouldn't have by being dirty, unfair and "ruthless". He literally said that lando should be a more of a "racing driver" and not be so "fair and square"....now all of a sudden peter thinks oscar should be fair and square to lando???? For what? You cannot have your cake and eat it. You cannot have one guy obeying team orders, and the other guy doing whatever he wants. As I said, the british bias is sickening. Horrific take from peter today. Oh, the hypocrisy.
Cherry picking from the facts to spin the narrative is what this whole conversation is about. Extremely biased by Windsor.
This should be a discussion on how Mclaren compromised Piastri's win and how Lando's completely illogical resistance to a gifted on track position ultimately hurt him from here on out.
Peter is not British, so can you explain how its possible for him to have " British bias "..?? If i remember correctly, hes from the same country as Oscar; Australia!
What am i missing here? What s with all the nonsense that piastri got his win given by mclaren. Piastri was leading the race 48/70 laps until mclaren gave the track position to norris. the one that didn t deserve to win the race was norris.
McLaren would never have even asked Prost, Mansell or Senna to give up the win - never mind threatening their careers. I’m not sure how Lando recovers from this.
How about Oscar who had his first win ruined? Somehow that's less important.
@@RockSolitudeyes the Lando TrueBrits couldn't care less about Oscar (and can't recall the terrible strategies McLaren gave to Oscar all year).
It's as if PW thinks this is the greatest injustice of the past few years!
Agree. Massive disrespect to Lando.
He should be straight on the phone to redbull. If contracts allow sometimes soon.
@@RockSolitude I don't think it was ruined. However, if Lando had given it back way earlier, I doubt there would have been this unnecessary controversy.
Peter mad an excellent point about social media. It's on the record Max saying he hates social media and would love it did not exist at all. Max has people managing his sites for him but doesn't bother doing anything himself I guess and as for what he thinks about comments on social media : he's not interested and to be blunt... doesn't give a damn about it.
34:12 Windsor criticizes Norris for not being ruthless and winning at all costs, and then says Oscar should give up the opportunity to win the race 😂😂😂😂
blinded by preference. Windsor has knowledge but is incredibly biased.
@@AyaxRo I still cannot forget the comments he made regarding Seb's dominance era, since then i take his opinions with a grain of salt
They pitted Norris first twice. They also left Oscar out for two laps on the second stop.
If the situations were reversed at that first corner, ie Piastri was on pole and Lando came through on the inside, I absolutely GUARANTEE Peter would be lauding it as a super racing move.
Asking a guy to slow down when 6 seconds ahead is not letting him win
Thanks!
Thank you Charles, far too kind sir.
@@Cameron-Cc you welcome
No fines for cursing or naughty talk!!!! Driving at 200mph on a circuit with 19 other cars escaping while death at every corner. Drivers should say whatever they want on the radio.
So true!!!! Personality is soo important in sports, especially with adrenaline is super high, but people aren't this accommodating wrt radio shouts. Just recall how Max and Yuki were treated in their early years. Yuki almost had to dial back his talks by biting onto his tongue to not react and Max was almost made a terror villain in 2021 by the global broadcasters.
F*ck yeah , nothing wrong with F bombs and c*nts , at least here in the netherlands most people would'nt be offended by that kind of language , i think we say way worser things 😂
Yeah as long as its not legitimately bigoted and hateful. I agree but there still has to be a line somewhere.
100%. "Don't give me that stick" is simply not the same as "Don't give me that S***". Personally I don't care if they cussed constantly but when the acrimony level gets to 10/10 like yesterday, if they DON'T curse and are still visibly upset I'm questioning just how serious they are.
Escaping death? Since when? I have more risk of injury and death just looking at my motor bike than any F1 driver.
Peter somewhat contradicts himself by saying, on one hand, that victory is the most important thing and that Lando should not let Oscar pass, but on the other hand, that Oscar should give up. Why? Winning is the most important thing. So why should Oscar give up?
exactly...maybe the way he looked, very angry and annoyed, made him not realizing that he was contradicting himself ha ha
What Windsor means to say when he exclaims “racers want to win” is that it should be at any cost. Sacrificing everything. Your integrity, reputation, sportsmanship, relationships, self respect even. Were Briatore and the team real racers crashing Piquet? Where’s the line? Should an 800m runner clip the heels of his rival in front? At what point do we stop lionising cheating effectively, or celebrating unsportsmanlike behaviour? The lore of those dramatic incidents as when Senna took out Prost on purpose, or Schumacher on Hill, belie the sour taste we all had in the moment, as the victory wasn’t earned through real racing. The history books may just show the numbers, but for those of us that remember, we all know in our heart of hearts there’s a good way, and a bad way to win.
I hate, HATE F1 drivers being on social media. There needs to be an air of mystique about them and its stripped away by constant, corny social media posts
McLaren created this problem by not pitting the race leader in piastri first. If they did pitt piastri first then he is in front by 7 seconds and still likely wins by 3 or 4 seconds. End of.
HAM would undercut NOR. A small error in the pits and HAM is ahead on the track where its not possible to overtake
@McLarenMercedes17 and why should that be Oscar's problem?
@@CraigF1995 Oscar didn't have any problem at all, it was NOR who created problems by being selfish. All other drivers agreed that he must have let Oscar go
@@McLarenMercedes17 they should've just double stacked and had the best of both worlds
@@CraigF1995 by doing a double stack total NORRIS pit time would PIA pit time + mechanics tire change + NOR pit time, that's a guaranteed loss of position for him. Too risky not only for 1 car, but for both of them
hard to win wdc's if you can't get decent starts ever!
😭
this, spot on
It’s funny because I remember him saying he was such a good starter earlier in the season 😂😂
Max had a similar issue once upon a time. He managed to perfect his starts.
I have absolutely no idea how you can criticise Oscar for his move at the first corner 😅 What on earth is going through your mind Peter
Do you think McLaren's screw up in Silverstone, in which they let Piastri stay out longer on the wrong tire, rather than double-stacking, influenced this decision in Hungary?
That was a great interview hence subscribed !
Respect to both you and Mr. Windsor.
In regards to Max on the radio though, it's funny to me that Peter thinks cussing has absolutely no place but being a petulant brat is totally fine. What an arbitrary line to draw. There are plenty of people in the world who do incredibly stressful jobs at the highest level and are still able to communicate with basic human decency.
I work in health care and many people give surgeons a pass for being terrible to people because they are good at their job. Problem is I've met some of the best surgeons who also treat everyone respectfully. Talent/ability is no excuse to treat people poorly, even in the heat of the moment.
And I honestly think getting a good night sleep is important as well. Again if you were having surgery tomorrow, would you want your surgeon staying up til 3 AM watching videos of different type of surgery? or would you want him getting 8 hrs of rest.
keep up the good stuff gents.
Throwing 7 points away for the WDC. The most unprofessional thing I have ever seen. Hundreds maybe a thousand people work their asses off to become world champion. And then they do this. It's not only a huge slap in the face for Lando but also for all the people in the team and factory. Unbelievable just unbelievable.
I thought Peter was usually spot on with his criticism of drivers but listening to him crap on about lando doing McLaren a huge favour by saving them a big pile up on the first turn is embarrassing I’m out
I still haven’t heard a word of Zak Brown since the Hungarian gp, whats his opinion on the matter?
Oscar is closer to Lando in the drivers championship standings than Lando is to Max...so I don't see why Oscar can't challenge Max as well. McLaren is being tested on all fronts and they just need to not turn an easy race into a Mexican soap opera like they did this past weekend. Let them fight and don't get in their way with defensive and stupid strategies.
Let them try. That will make Max the champion
@@vincentras1991 Unfortunately for McLaren, their own history has shown us that having two equally good drivers will cause problems in the long run and Oscar is getting better and better every race and it's starting to cause problems for Lando's side of the garage. I do think Max will win it no matter what in the end.
If Piastri was faster, it would have shown at the beginning of his second season. The closeness is due to a DNF and management cock ups. Piastri has felt his first victory. He does not need another freebie! No more Mr Nice Guy, Lando.
@@ChrisJohn-dg8mz The hardest thing in F1 is learning tire management. That's the only thing Oscar had to work on and still needs to work on, but is getting better each race. Everything else is on par with Lando or even better (race start reactions). This race win wasn't a freebie, McLaren made it difficult with their dumb strategy. He had a comfortable lead over Lando and the race was under control until McLaren decided to undercut him with Lando. So nothing was given to him, he earned it. I don't think Lando has that dog in him and with every new race Oscar will show he's the more talented driver.
@@Hechaldowhat makes you think Lando can't get better
Cameron-Windsor is always the best analysis & conversation in all of F1 punditry.
Ah, that means a lot Eddy.
But all credit due to Mr Windsor methinks. 🙂
@@Cameron-Cc I’ll say it again: a proper follow doc Netflix style where we get to follow you watch a complete race weekend with Peter. I’m dying to watch you both looking at multiple screens of footage and data and finding all of the technical and athletic and psychological narratives.
Lets be honest, modern F1 is a mere reflection, a mirage of vintage F1. Like football and FIFA, the FIA have fucked the sport, and the ridiculous technology and money have also ruined the spectacle. Exactly 30 years ago, at the Hungarian Grand Prix, Benneton’s Schumacher had a fastest lap of 1 min 19 seconds. The fastest lap on Sunday was 1 min 22? Let that sink in. The cars have lost 1 second a decade in speed. The spectacle of F1, the attraction, its disappearing inexorably.
i dont agree with windsor on everything, but everything he said here was spot on. MAKE F1 MANLY AGAIN.
Someone in Sky commentary, maybe Martin, said that McLaren today seem to act like a small team, as though winning is new to them, even though they _are_ a big team with a _god tier_ history with the likes of Senna, Häkkinen et al. However, I feel that the damage caused by such a long period of _not winning,_ really has made them a shadow of their former selves.
Peter brings many types of insights and my favourite is the psychology of team-mates and management of same. To me, the psychology of the racer's mind is far more interesting than the technical details of the car/lap/etc.
14:23 no one remembers Coulthard following team orders + giving the lead back to his teammate as a “breath of fresh air”. They remember Häkkinen winning the championship in 98. Respect to PW for bringing that scenario to our attention.
Dutch F1 TV pundits started suggesting group therapy for all those with 'issues' yesterday.
Including themselves since they tried to blame Hamilton for the incident
@@LesHAaRd Just for fairness sake I looked back the Dutch Viaplay coverage by the guys who said this and their live comment to the collision with Lewis was not in Max's favour, they called it a frustrated all-or-nothing action that indeed led to nothing. I also looked at the punditry over at Ziggo Sport Channel, instead of blaming Lewis they deplored Max's subpar performing this weekend. Public tv is even more keeping to non-emotional journalistic reporting. Like me they are all pro-Max but there's no such thing as a Max-cult going on, and if there was it would put off a lot of spectators like me.
Wonderful; as usual
Sorry Peter Windsor… as much as I admire your contribution to Australian motor sport i must disagree with your hypothesis in this matter.
1. Max vertappen racing skills are to be admired - Not his disrespectful behaviour & putting others at risk!
2. Lando’s decision to swap position was to be admired. It took courage! That is what is going to make hime a better person & race champion than Max.
3. Oscar should not have considered letting Lando keep 1st position? This was his 1st race win? Why on earth would a young Oscar think that way? Should Max have surrendered his 1st World Championship in Abu Dabi based on the fact that lewis was the better driver in that race? The race contro;;er gave him his 1st WC not his skill.
Bad & disrespctful behaviour should never be supported… no matter what sport your in. Condoning Max Verstappen behaviour is not role model conducive! The best world Champions demonstrate respect on all levels - They are the best role models. I want my son to be fair & respectful in anything he does in life. Not be a selfish, spoilt and disrespectul person who does anything to win & chucks childish tantrums when losing!
Lando should have called their bluff. Ok then don’t back me then and let me go after this season. Sign with Mercedes
Heres a point no one is raising... if once again Mclaren weren't alergic to the double stack, none of this would have been an issue
@@CraigF1995 they was too close for that when Oscar made that mistake the gap was like 1,4 seconds
@@thekillakid99Lando was coming past
It’s incredibly shortsighted to believe letting Lando win that race would have been the best long term strategy after undercutting Oscar twice in that race!
You have to be seriously delusional to neglect the possibility of Oscar being needed to assist lando in the future.
I like Oscar, but I totally agree with Peter. I would not have wanted to win that way.
And Oscar wasn’t given a win on a plate, that’s not true
PW looked very angry and throwing statements just to minimize Oscar's race...
Right.. and if Lando had taken the win you could have also said that Lando was given the win on a plate by the team engineering the undercut over his team mate... which I presume Peter would have been fine with? ... because of his belief that Oscar is 'A clear number 2'
Can someone tell me of one other pundit who's said Oscar made an error on Turn 1? Peter seems obsessed by this. Looked like a typical aggressive Turn 1 on the opening lap of a Grand Prix. I just rewatched the start. I don't see Lando having to take evasive action at all. How could he with Max on his outside?
PW is unbalanced.
@@BuildHQ-auHe’s usually extremely interesting and insightful but he’s just so so wrong on this one especially the first corner “incident”. Just watched Palmer’s analysis and surprise surprise zero mention of it.
Lando excuses for his slow start. Credit that he admitted he was so slow.
PW will continue to blame Oscar 100% for passing Lando.
Oscar raced fair and square into turn 1, then should have been pitted first, each time.
PW is totally invested in LN, while mercilessly shifting any blame from LN.
exactly!
lando pushed oscar against the wall on the start, he was not "that kind", but he left more space that if it was another car, probably ^^
brillant thoughts about social medias, thanks for sharing your passion! indeed lando has a e-reputation to care, with quadrant and all that stuff, but not sure if he will be congratulated or hated to offer that victory. it's like 50% of fans are admiring that and 50% of fans are hating that 😂
Red bull sell energy drinks, Mercedes, Ferrari and Maclaren sell cars. Lewis became as big as the team through achievement but always remained modest respecting the team effort. Max is too toxic when things don't go his way to be appealing to the big manufacturer teams. No driver was ever bigger than the Ferrari brand.
Peter doesn’t know what McLaren means by having a team behind Norris? It simply means that one day he might need Oscar, his teammate to get a decisive win and he shouldn’t burn that bridge. Oscar has helped him many following team orders in the past, Oscar has also driven impeccably in Hungary and shouldn’t lose the win because McLaren made a shitty decision in the pits.
Also he’s taking the credit of Oscar in the first corner, really? Oscar did a move on Norris. Fair move. Risky? Sure, that’s why it was great. Norris lost his position because his launch was worse. Simple.
Biased much?
this!
Something that epitomized Lando to me, more than anything. Which people don't seem to have noticed, that in the cool down room after the race. Lewis mentioned how fast Lando and Oscar's McLarens were during the race. Like really amazed. And Lando took it all the wrong way, and was saying oh well you've had your fast cars in the past, now it's our turn. Wtf was that all about? To me it's all about Lando thinking everything has to be fair, fair, fair. Nothing in Formula 1 is fair. The best, take the best for themselves. He's far too nice to win a World Championship
Lewis has used the "they are so fast" line lot in the past when sandbagging so its hard to distinguish when its genuine
@@Visual_Ghoul I was pointing out Lando's response, more than Lewis's comment. But on the subject of Lewis. He's the epitome of a Champion. He knows how to get what he wants, whilst being courteous and a gentleman. Max and Lando, et al, should look to him as the example of a true champ
@@mattalford389Lando isn't the sharpest of the current crop of drivers. Still has a big chip on his shoulder, when his car is fastest. His salty reply shows he's still sensitive about having the fast car.
@@bensynewsshoedown4999 Agreed. And Lewis is the master at Mind Games too. I think his comments were planting the seeds of pressure on these two young guns.
PETER WINDSOR has completely lost me as a fan today, and so have you Cameron... why?
Piastri had the race won, he got the lead and kept it until the final stops when Mclaren undercut him with Norris, pitting him two laps later and therefore losing the lead. Mclaren stole the lead from Piastri for no good reason and therefore it was right to give it back to him.
You guys are chatting like Norris had earnt the win, absolutely not he was given the lead even though Piastri was leading and it was no fault of his own that the team pitted him two laps later.
How about you correct Windsor and tell him the facts? he obviously has no idea what happened in the race.
Very disappointed, I can't stand Windsor anymore after this even though I was a fan, it only takes one moment of stupidity to lose followers.
David said during race, that he never recovered from that, you could truly feel his pain.
True, but fundamentally DC just wasn't as quick as Mika. That was the main issue. That's not the same with the current drivers who are almost on par.
Peter Windsor is brilliant about his observations about letting Norris pass at the end of the race after Norris gave it to him! Then in the eyes of Oscar fans and everyone he would have been a true HERO 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻♥️♥️♥️😎😎😎
Tough Lando would be a joy to watch - guess what's missing from F1? nearly dirty racing without the stewards pissing in the cereal after each overtake.
Zac Brown said they pitted Lando first to keep position from cars behind so if they swapped and Lando had more late race pace maybe he could have made a pass if they were let to race...
Lando has proved he's a better man than all of them!
To quote one of Senna's most used and often controversial quotes "Being a racing driver means you are racing with other people and if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver - because we are competing, we are competing to win, and the main motivation to all of us is to compete for the victory.” Senna, in his words wasn't designed to finish 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th and whilst I don't want to glorify Senna's quote above, as it's context was taken in consideration with his infamous crash with Prost at Suzaka, what I will say as Peter is alluding to, is that Lando needs to have more desire & bloody single mindedness - and get some arrogance too.
BTW - I agree that Max should not use the F-word in public radio transmissions - however, I have often seen/heard non-native speakers of English lack the nuance that native speakers are capable of. Agree with Peter that the art of defense is very important - but passing is rated much higher than defense: listen toCroft from Skysports say "Brilliant racing" when Lando passed Max (and the other way about later) in Silverstone as a result of DRS...."Brilliant Racing"?????
"You can be remembered as that nice guy who was a great teammate...or you can be remembered as a world champion."
M. Shumacher to S.Vettel.
This is F1, not a playground. #1 goal is maximun points towards the WDC, and beat your teammate. Lando ran his own race and came out ahead.
The team screwed Oscar, yet again, and that should be on them. They absolved themselves of that mistake and put that burden on Lando, the radio messages were insufferable. Big L for McLaren. If Lando loses the championship by 7 points, Stella needs to be fired or Norris should leave.
And these two are a great combo. Synergy.
Completely wrong argument. This should be a discussion on why Piastri's win was comprimised to begin with.
Lando LOST P1 in turn 1 lap 1.... sooo..
Don't forget that Oscar was leading the race from turn 1 until the pit stop where they serviced Lando first when Oscar was leading.
He’s done that before, then his tyres wear out, then he falls back a dozen seconds
@@ChrisJohn-dg8mzWhen has he done that before? Did you come straight from watching DTS and watch your first race at the weekend? 😅
@@Jordyrugby nice projection. doesnt matter wtf happened in what part of the race or who got their fee fee's hurt. what matters is who crosses that damned line first. it would have been lando if he didnt give it to oscar
@@vvRADOvv Lando would only have won because he was given the undercut. They rightfully switched it back. I don’t understand what you’re failing to comprehend. Lando was no.2 all race long and couldn’t get close to Oscar. If he really thought he had the pace then he would’ve let Oscar by and then would’ve had 20 laps to show his speed and pressure Oscar. He didn’t do that, he threw a strop instead.
@@ChrisJohn-dg8mz Not anymore, and not in this race. Did you watch the entire first stint?
Loving how Cam puts questions to Peter to guide the conversation along.
In his own video, Peter said Oscar should have given up the win. Come on, indeed - an inconsistent position like that is not Peter's usual approach, he seems more heated about this one for some reason, and it shows. Arguing Stewards should have investigated Oscar's pass at Turn 1 after the start? WTF
If Lando had changed places straight away he could of caught Oscar passed him and won the race
then you run the risk of contact on a pass with zero points.. after mclaren messed up the pit stop they shouldve let it ride out and taken responsibility for it. Oscar would get his first W eventually but now his first W is ruined.
@@62dingbat I don't think they would have allowed that to happen. I bet the deal was whoever goes into the first corner in first place will take priority.
Deciding the winner 2 days before the race....total fix.
@@seemssafe2995 But they literally said over the radio "you can race the Papaya car" early on. So that couldn't have been the case. I think if Lando was told the full plan and agreed to take the undercut, he should've said "agreed, as long as I'm able to race him after giving him the lead and letting him regain the preexisting 2-3 second advantage". That would have meant nobody questioning Oscar's first win, Lando could've had a chance to get full points properly, and the team wouldn't have had to be begging over the radio which was unbecoming.
Lando was clearly faster in the last stint and I agree that they would've been at least within fighting distance. At that time though, if there's only a few laps left the team could come in and say look this isn't worth it.
you don't take into account that if happened Oscar would be aware and would say goodbye to look after the tyres then we would have seen a big fight when contact would have been possible and the points potentially would have gone for both driver and the Constructors champ would have suffered then MV would have left Hungary in a better position...this scenario would have been possible..think about it
@@seemssafe2995 i agree with what you say but having worked on the inside Motor Cycle Racing for 20 years also for 3 years in with the FIM the F1 by the FIA Is sold to the world as a race BUT THIS DOES NOT SEEM TO BE WHAT THE WORLD RECIEVES ANY LONGER
As a relative F1 casual, I still don't understand why McLaren did that. If Piastri was already #2 and he wasn't fast enough to catch Norris of his own merit, why would McLaren request that?
Oscar was infont. Oscar had all the clean air and was doing well. The only reason Lando was pitted first was to protect Lando from Hammo and Max. Even though it was a small chance it was none the less a chance. I dont get where Peter is coming from. It was Oscars win
I think the argument is because Oscar was the faster driver up until the pit stop he should have been given the best strategy. Because lando was slower and Mclaren were woried about Hamilton they decided to pit him first giving Norris the better strategy, and allowing him to undercutt Piastri. The argument is that it is not fair on Oscar that he got undercut because Mclaren only pitted Norris first because he was slower than Piastri and Mclaren were worried about Hamilton undercutting them. Imo Mclaren should have inverted the cars immediately and then let them fight to the end.
@@jamie4943 Ahhh okay I get ya, that clears up a lot. Thanks for the info dude!
@@TrumpAndKamila yeah I don't get what Peter is talking about when it comes to the race start as well. Clean pass from Piastri.
Why should piastri have to pass Lando when Lando couldn't pass him?? Team swapped them, don't ping this on Piastri, Libtard.
Even I know. Take the win today over promises for tomorrow. Lando should have said no.
Fella hit the nail on the head it’s an absolute farce . Imagine Alonso Lewis max even button at that stage in their career . It just wouldn’t happen. I’d love to see it come down to a 10point gap . Piastri is nowhere near contention splitting races just makes both drivers suffer. Absolute bollocks
Lando isn’t anywhere near contention either.
I doubt Lando will resign with McLaren. The emotional blackmail was out of this world.
I was waiting for Lando to simply say, "Thanks for just convincing me to sign my RedBull contract for next year." McLaren embarrassed themselves so much I don't know if they can recover from how embarrassing that was.
He should have refused.
It was a team 1-2 anyway but
Lando only led the race because McLaren put him there to protect a 1-2 becoming a 1-3 with Lando in third.
Next time pit the #1 leading car first (Piastri) and let the chips fall where they may for the #2 car. See how Lando acts then.
Lando would have won had they done that
@@LawsonSims44 Yes and he'd also likely have won the race if he'd just gave the place back when he was supposed to. I knew he was ultimately not gonna go against the team so i'm pulling my hair out during the race wondering why lando is messing up his own chances of a legitimate win. He had way more pace in that last stint and woulda been heavily favoured to overtake oscar but instead got caught up in the nonsense politicking.
@@braveheart4603 mate he was not supposed to cause he did not agree to anything prior to that, he simply listened to the team and pitted and then was 1st, he should have won but the team threatened him with not helping for the rest of the season
@@braveheart4603I totally agree. Hopefully Lando realises this.
34:00mins Totally agree 😤😤😤
The team shouldn’t have given him the undercut on Oscar in the first place.
Give Oscar service first and let them race.
Good lort I do enjoy listening to you two gents discuss it all!!
Could you perhaps ask Peter about how he got the gig doing the post race interview room moderating?? Peter used to ask the hardest hitting racing questions mere minutes after the drivers were out of their cars. And it was awesome and even the drivers loved it.
Lando needed to give that position back. They agreed previous that that would be their way. He was clearly faster than Piastri. He should have done it earlier and then past Piastri on track. I commend him for keeping his word. Not too many people have that kind of integrity. The problem is that they were all (except Piastri) talking way too much on the radio.
Cameron - do you think Yuki has that aggressive nature to be a champion?
I know he is expected to not amount to anything - but he has really impressed me this year.
Love the music at the start! Sets up the video very nicely
100k fine for swearing cmon Peter that is just ridiculous these guys aren’t robots let them show their emotions
You won’t win the championship if you let your teammate have points that you could have had
Wndsor is out of his tree criticising Piastri's driving into turn 1...it was perfection
Yo... Peter was a little feisty today. 😂 he put a bit of challenges Q&A on you CamF1😮 - All good though.
Keep up the great content!
How the hell can the winner be deceided in a meeting 2 days before a race?
"We agreed in the meeting on friday that...blah blah........"
Total rubbish, idiotic and shamefull.
Always wait for this one after the race !!!
Great vodcast boyz!👍
I switched off the race after THAT one racing team forced a driver switch! I don't wish to see team politics in the race!😤
If a team would manipulate me like this after what I've given to that team what Lando has given all those years I would play there game and leave at the end of the season! There are a lot of good seats open! Lando kept them in the championship top ten even when the car wasn't performing and he gave them the benefit of the doubt for all those years and this is how that team treat him! "Remember you need the team Lando!" I wouldn't wanna be in a team that treated me like this after showing loyalty for all those years!
Now we know how THAT team treats there drivers; like trash! This wasn't the blame of Lando and if anything Lando showed he is strong under pressure where THAT team didn't give him any other choice then doing what he did that much was clear! Sorry for the rant! 😮💨
I would go with Cameron's take, Lando is to nice, to be world champion you have to be ruthless.
Lewis is hardly ruthless. Everyone seems to love him
@@AJS86 Pre 2017 Lewis was quite ruthless.
@@AJS86 Really?
Go watch his time with Rosberg
Peter being very biased in favor of Lando.
I have listened to Peter a bit now and I agree he is a wise F1 personality!
In general a racing driver should always go for track position!
"They are investigating, give back the position" >>> you keep your place, you race and even if after the race they keep investigating, you've done your best on track.
Max is the same as he was when he just started.
Yeah and what is wrong with that? He is what he is,a damn hard fully committed racing driver. Mercyless.We don.t want gentlemen drivers with smokings calling "After you". Social media is rubbish,messing up peoples minds. The death of many things because people are guided by social media. They forget to form their own opinions,rational thinking.
His mentality made him one of the goats of F1.
I disagree with Peter about Max, he can still be Max and not be an asshole. He's crying like a child and blaming EVERYONE but himself.
At the time of the pit stop, Piastri was in front and should have be given the undercut. The engineers created the mess by allowing Norris to pit first. McLaren is at fault, not Piastri, not Norris.
Norris is not initially at fault but he handled it extremely poorly. bitch and moan backstage, dont try to grab a gifted win.
From Lando No-Wins to Lando One-Win to Lando No-Balls... all in the span of 8 races. Take a bow.
And Oscar wagging the "Seb finger" in his face after the race was the icing on the cake... you just couldn't make this up.
@aoife1122 maybe you can give him yours as its clear you don't use or need yours.
You should give him yours then as its clear you don't use or need yours.
@@godsmercenary4869 true
Lewis isn’t rejuvenated. He always loves the second part of the season.
He's a bit of a slow starter isn't he?
Mclaren did a bad call entering Lando Fist to pit stop, and with that, they took away Oscar win. They understood that and fixed it. There is nothing wrong with that unless you are Redbull and Max.
GOATS
Tremendously appreciate you both!
That was disgusting how they threatened Lando to allow someone else to win.
Not really what if the roles are reversed in Abu Dhabi & Norris could win the championship
Now I understand the McLaren situation.
I wondered why Norris tried to cover Piastri at the start rather than both blocking the field until the first corner.
Lando should pull a performance clause and quit mclaren!
"Ayrton, Let Alain through!"
Senna; "okay." 😅