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Go with your gut, don’t do it! You’re the professional and liability goes uphill …”you told him not to do it, but charged him to do the unrecommended repair”. Love your channel! Thanks for another great post!
I would love a video of you guys walking through a proper bonding system. show all connections etc. I have a 21 year old boat, and I never paid the bonding system a minute of attention! Your videos have me re accessing my maintained schedule!
Great advice Bill … yes will run if they don’t come around to my thinking. Just giving them some time with the holidays. I’m sure we’ll be doing it the right way when it’s time. We have to order the shaft. Stay tuned 😂
I have been successfully sued for having touched something and never did anything to do with a failure because of negligence of the consumer and he got hurt. I was not able to defend against arbitrary accusations and having “should have known” not to do the work, even though I argued and never had anything to do with the failure…but insurance settled out of court, this system doesn’t pay for honest people to maintain integrity. It’s the lawyers and courts, walk away!
I too, had spinal fusion surgery on Dec. 16. Recovery is going well and I’m spending much more time keeping occupied on UA-cam. I’ve found two channels that I just can’t seem to live without. The In Too Deep channel is really good and your channel here, Matt. I absolutely love watching people who are really good at what they do, just do their thing. It also helps me to know that you and your crew and the young man at In Too Deep and his crew seem like very good people. Looking forward to watching many more of your videos…well done and best wishes to you and yours in the new year!! Could use some of that Florida weather up here in Michigan right about now! 🌴👍
On the bent shaft, I’d walk away and let the owner find someone else. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That old joke about Break Our Another Thousand (BOAT) is accurate and installing bad parts is a disaster in waiting. The spinal fusion is no joke. I found your channel when I was recovering from a neck fusion (C3-T1) that took a year to recover from. Spent many a Sunday morning waiting for the pain meds to work while watching your video. Happy New Year
Happy New Year John appreciate the support in watching our chaos! We can’t make this stuff up! Been a customer for years I just think they weren’t well informed on the what could happen.
I worked on a sailboat at a yacht club. got the motor running and putting in gear. it would hardly move. wouldn't go forward or reverse but the shaft was turning good. took a swim and looked at the prop. no wonder it was shaking there was only one blade. it was loose on the shaft completely corroded from electrolysis. less than 6 months from having a bottom job done.
@ skagit county - Washington state. Good old Pacific Northwest. I’m a new salt water boat owner and haven’t had the best luck with mechanics in my area so it’s nice to see there are some good ones out there! And I’m sure there are some great ones here to I just haven’t meet them yet. Anyways, love your videos! I try to do things myself on my boat when it comes to repairs ect - within my limited ability of course haha. Your videos have helped me a lot and I always look forward to your new ones! Happy new year!
@@Playnhooky oh boy you are far away! Look on google in your area and read the mechanic google reviews ... I just started one for our channel for when we start traveling around the US. Look up Will Fix That you should see us come up. Let me know,.
For the bonding, I have always kept three grounds if possible on a boat. The bonding system itself (ground), the DC system, and the AC system, all three separate systems with respect to ground. Some of the ABYC items in section E-2 and E-11 have conflicts with NEC codes, so there is that as well. I am surprised that there weren't anodes on the rudder itself. I assume that the boat is also parked at a marina, and there is AC shore power on the boats. You need to make sure that the boat has Galvanic isolation devices as well to disconnect the AC safety ground onshore from the boats AC safety ground. Most of the time the stray currents at the dock are the number one issue with respect to electrolysis. The dock-mate might be the one who as connected different grounding systems together and is dumping charges into the water near the boat causing that amount of corrosion. We had to track down once a bad wiring job on a boat a few down that had a mess in the wiring that was eating the anodes on my boat at a quick rate, it was the battery charger. Once that issue was corrected anodes would last much longer time. 🤠👍
Good call Matt. Liability is a big deal when own a business. Your company can not take on the problem of a bad shaft. As you said it's a small island. Have great day.
You all are awesome! Btw those screwdrivers have awesome reviews! Hope the guy recovering from back surgery does really well!! Another good dude out there!
On that single screw Winter Express, what's that on the trailing edge of the prop? Almost looks reflective on one end, white on the other? EXCELLENT channel, watch every video. Thank you for sharing what you do, it's a wealth of knowledge.
No shops there that can straighten the shaft ??? also because the intakes strainers are green dose not always mean there bad or in need of better bonding .
If you buy an inexpensive reference cell and multi meter you can check the boat's hardware post launch while dockside, just waiting a few weeks to see is probably not the best idea, I would also recommend an isolator for shore power if not already installed and checked
I would not install that shaft, even with a release. The reason is simple. If something goes wrong, with the release you may not be liable, but only you and the owner know about the release, everyone else sees a boat taking on water and you were the last one touching it. Right answer is replace the shaft or walk away. It's your business and your credibility, you have to decide. The customer is NOT always right.
Stick with your gut feeling, your not a drunk mechanic trying to convince us so you can get out of work. Your the master mechanic of your group of technicians. Your call is the call, new shaft or no deal.period
Even if you had the legal release, your name is associated with the repair. It just isn’t worth the risk. You have worked hard for a good reputation. You don’t want all business. Stick with customers who appreciate your quality and value.
I would have to agree with this gentleman just posted. I would refuse to put the old shaft in and not have any type of attorney release because your name is still attached to that project and God forbid the boat sinks because of the old shaft it would end up in court. Walk away and they’ll be no worries.
bond everything in contact with sea water. anything above sea water is not necessary to be bonded. if you have an item below sea water and it's impossible to bond with a wire than mount a small zinc anode on it. also, it doesn't hurt to bond to neg side of battery too.
Decades long diesel boat tech here- I am lucky to have management the respects my opinion when I tell them to WALK AWAY from certain boats once I take a good look at them.
That is a very easy decision for me, You are always open to liability on a good day with you best of intensions and ability. Do not install this just to appease the client. Do it right or walk away
I know if I have a bad feeling doing a job with anyone I usually walkaway from it. The headaches and drama isn't worth dealing with. Unless you got a lot of money to gamble with I wouldn't take the gamble. Better ask yourself is the money you could make really worth the money that could be loss. Lawyer fees, money tired up in parts, your employees labor and then the reputation you built. Every day in life we're learning. You learn what you like and don't like so you can start chasing what think you want and don't want to chase what you really want. You'll fight for want you believe and means the most despite what others think or say so just listen to what your heart feels and wants and you'll always keep finding the way. The greatest things in life came from an idea and they believed in that idea and fought threw the up's and downs to complete it and now the world shares them. Fear holds us back and limits are abilities in life so don't be afraid to take chances and push your abilities to level up
Another great video. No way I would install that bent shaft. I feel for the guy but to not spend the extra money to replace the shaft now would be insane.
Give him the choice witch one he wants to do ! That sounds really dumb all that work & new parts he wants to put old bent shaft . Good video yal stay safe
Exactly, like you said. He is "burning a lot of money" or burnt a lot to fix this boat and he is thinking of a way to get some money back by "convincing" you to install a bad shaft on a new motor, so he can turn around and say you did not tell him (even if you did) as a proffessional and sue you.
We have had cruisers since 2000. For the first 5 years we had a 28 footer (Waterline) the marina once said I probably had more repairs than most. It was in Canada. People generally wanted the minimal done. The marina would use epoxy for steel to fix lower units. One thing they would not do was propane repairs. They said the liability was too great. They did what was required to make the boats float and not sink. They did refuse service on items that were not safe. We now have a 38 footer (Waterline) and keep it in US. The marina is independent and run by the owner. For all work they give you service proposal with estimated price. If you want less than the proposal done they will not do the work. If you provide owners with what you feel is the minimal required and they want less you can figure out your next move.
Contracts can be your friend. Disappointment is always down to expectation; if you have the customer sign an agreement before you start work that says that at your discretion you won't refit parts that you feel are unsafe then when they query you can say e.g. "Upon inspection the shaft was found to have a 3deg twist, this could lead to vibration, excessive wear and failure of safety related items. As such in line with our commencement agreement we will not refit an unsafe part."
Nigel Calders book seems to back it up that either bonding everything or nothing is fine either way. I have bonded nothing in a recent sailboat job and it is doing well so far but it is also not around other boats and stray currents in marinas often. Also what is that diamond patter blue sheeting you use to protect boats you are working on and laying under them?
I love your work and love your content, watch it all the time so please dont take this the wrong way but if one of my guys used a shifting spanner on anything I would take it off him and melt it for scrap, shifting spanners are for emergencies only and the nuts od bolts loosened by one should be replaced, love your work though
Had a 1974 Morgan O.I. 41 ketch for 29 years in Marco Is. Nothing has bonded and only the prop shaft had a zinc. Never had electrolosis. About half way though the ownership i replaced the non rising bronze gate valves on the thruhulls with rubber compression cylinder cocks. I took the gate valves apart and they were all still fine. Kept them as spares. Never changed the cutlass bearing or stuffing box. Tightened it a few flats over the years. Never serviced the Paragon P200 hydraulic transmission and it ran perfectly from a Westerbeke 4 107 and then a Perkins 4 236. I guess I was lucky. Cruised all of South Florida and The Keys and all the Northern and Central Bahamas. The boat and it's systems were almost bullet proof compared to today's stuff.
Having had six boats-yachts, I have a great comprehension of what can go wrong and how badly it can escalate into property damage or loss of life. Things can be hidden that with even with close examination pass inspection yet be ready catastrophic failure. I don’t envy your business and responsibility. You have to step back and constantly evaluate the risks and document everything. It’s AWAYS C-Y-A!
Hello from Ireland, Guys. Jesus, forget about the Lawyers. And is worth your while even doing it, if you get the right money, then mabey you could get it fixed. Weight up your two options, do it or dont. Its Serious stuff, if anything went wrong. Great video, keep it up guys 🙏🙏🥰👌👏👏👏👏👏👏
How do you cheep out on a new shaft when you put that kinda money into your boat already. I have witnessed people change their oil and put a cheep oil filter on:to save 3 dollars. I guess they would like the cost of a new engine. Good video!
@WillFixThat I have a few lights, a portable tire pump and tire repair kit for my motorcycle that's all really nice. Everything is compact, durable and pretty lightweight.
Stray current corrosion is the correct term, not electrolysis and not rust, call it corrosion. This is important if you are presenting yourself as a professional. The usual culprit and the easiest thing to check is the bilge pump system as these are usually live dc wires 24/7 and sitting in water it's all about the flow of ions. The stray current needs a path. The primary job of a bonding system is to carry ac fault current to the sea to prevent electrical shock.
There's a machinist up in Massachusetts that specializes in shafts and comes from the ship building industry.his business is TURN RIGHT Machine WORKS...just a thought..Good luck brothers and sisters
I find it absolutely bonkers that the owner has so much invested in everything else but wants to cheap out on a major important part i mean if you cant afford to fix it then sell it because you shouldn't own it in the first place.
It would seem to me that the amount of money in attorney fees the owner could pay for a new shaft which would eliminate the problem and save his rebuilt engines.
As a business owner, the lady with the shaft replacement you should walk away from any and all liability on that project I would refuse to put the old shaft back in and politely tell her she needs to hire someone else to do the job. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
In my opinion for a release to do an install you know is wrong is trying too hard to do the wrong thing. Just because you have release doesn’t mean you can’t be sued anyway. Happens all the time. I’d skip it and save your reputation.
Even someone else puts it in without that release. unless you emailed him or texted showing proof of the findings he could hold you liable for the work you did. Save those emails and texts to cover yourself
Double agree with everyone. Walk away. More even than even liability, you are having to teach owner how it goes. He doesn’t get it, but you are saving him $$$,$$$. If you put the bent shaft in, he’ll be in one of the tow boat UA-cam channels!!
If you began the job, removing the shaft, you're obligated to re-install it - not in a strict legal sense, but to leave the owner high and dry because you get cold feet on a job is not right. Just make it clear it's his bad decision and spell it out on the invoice - ie no guarantees due to reinstallation of a failed part.
Andy don’t think it’s leaving them high and dry when they can sue your pants off later because they were being cheap and didn’t want to do the repair correctly.
You would replace the shaft after all the money he’s spent out it’s not worth taking short cuts the extra cost is just what happens it’s not worth stuffing up the rest of the work (cost of everything).
Being the Mechanic of record and the nearest thing to an expert to have yet touched the boat, I would say you would probably be held responsible for installing a know part (shaft) with a know issue (bent). I wouldn't touch it, tell him to get a Marine Engineer to OK and sign off.
You do not use his attorney to draw anything up, you use your own attorney, period. Personally, I would not reinstall that shaft. Any later issues can come back to bite you, as in having to spend money on legal fees, your time and the hassle. I'm now a solid convert to non-metallic through hulls, seacocks and strainers. Replaced those huge Perko units with smaller and higher flow rate Forespar Marelon units. Zero issues with temps.
Walk away, actually run away from this owner and his boat. When a client insists that you do what you know is incorrect, forget the attorneys, run.........
The courts are ruling against the repair shops these days. There are a few cases in Florida and Georgia where the shops had in writing “No warranty either implied or express on parts or labor.” Because the shops agreed to install a customer’s parts or agreed to perform a repair jot by the book. The courts rule against the shop because the shop is the proffesional and since they accepted the parts and or job and put their hands on it, then they should accept full responsibility because since they are professional and know better. A shop in Orlando lost a case a few years back during COVID where they agreed to install a customer supplied reman engine and the engine failed 6 months later ant it cast the owner 13k! Sad but true. DO NOT PERFORM THAT REPAIR! Run!
I used to own an independent BMW shop for 20 years I am five times recertified Master ASE. I picked and chose my clients carefully. My bottom line was anybody who wanted to negotiate the way I do business from price to product I declined their services, IMMEDIATELY! PERSONA NON GRATA
Know this, even if the boat owner releases you from Liability for mechanical liability...it does NOT release YOU from personal harm! You are aware of the seriousness of potential failure therefore you will have SOME liability to whatever happens for a timeframe of (forever) , with this boat. WALK AWAY!
Yay 7.3 powerstrokes!!!!! I miss mine lol but that was alot of green for that hoat and I wouldn't have put a twisted and bent shaft in and I agree I would have someone else put it in unfortunately I wouldn't touch it. And all of yall are wearing jackets how cold is it in key west lol
Don't "walk away" RUN, and don't ever do work for that client again. Putting a known bad part into anything is never acceptable. What if there is loss of life due to a failure.?
It is impossible to establish a "firewall" between you and the owner utilizing legal documents. If you install the shaft you will commit an act that transgresses your experience, skill, and reputation. Leave the shaft on the ground and walk away.
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Go with your gut, don’t do it! You’re the professional and liability goes uphill …”you told him not to do it, but charged him to do the unrecommended repair”.
Love your channel! Thanks for another great post!
Thanks for watching. Always trust your gut!
Yep walk away !
I would love a video of you guys walking through a proper bonding system. show all connections etc. I have a 21 year old boat, and I never paid the bonding system a minute of attention! Your videos have me re accessing my maintained schedule!
Hello from Siesta Key Florida
Don't walk away.
Run as fast as you can !!!
If not it will make for many sleepless nights.
You know better than most.
Great advice Bill … yes will run if they don’t come around to my thinking. Just giving them some time with the holidays. I’m sure we’ll be doing it the right way when it’s time. We have to order the shaft. Stay tuned 😂
Yup ... I'm out of there. Thanks for the input and thanks for watching.
I have been successfully sued for having touched something and never did anything to do with a failure because of negligence of the consumer and he got hurt. I was not able to defend against arbitrary accusations and having “should have known” not to do the work, even though I argued and never had anything to do with the failure…but insurance settled out of court, this system doesn’t pay for honest people to maintain integrity.
It’s the lawyers and courts, walk away!
Agree, your channel is bringing out the best in people. Thanks for being an inspiration and leader!
I’m just trying to keep it real thanks for watching. We only want fun positive people here.
I too, had spinal fusion surgery on Dec. 16. Recovery is going well and I’m spending much more time keeping occupied on UA-cam. I’ve found two channels that I just can’t seem to live without. The In Too Deep channel is really good and your channel here, Matt. I absolutely love watching people who are really good at what they do, just do their thing. It also helps me to know that you and your crew and the young man at In Too Deep and his crew seem like very good people. Looking forward to watching many more of your videos…well done and best wishes to you and yours in the new year!! Could use some of that Florida weather up here in Michigan right about now! 🌴👍
Wishing you a speedy recovery!
@@theianmcethank you!!
@@GregChief34 wishing you a speedy recovery ❤️🩹 as well. Thanks for watching our boat chaos.
I’ll pray that you have a speedy recovery and thanks for enjoying the channel. I’d send you some warm weather if I could it was 80° today.
@@WillFixThat thank you!!
On the bent shaft, I’d walk away and let the owner find someone else. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. That old joke about Break Our Another Thousand (BOAT) is accurate and installing bad parts is a disaster in waiting.
The spinal fusion is no joke. I found your channel when I was recovering from a neck fusion (C3-T1) that took a year to recover from. Spent many a Sunday morning waiting for the pain meds to work while watching your video.
Happy New Year
Happy New Year John appreciate the support in watching our chaos! We can’t make this stuff up! Been a customer for years I just think they weren’t well informed on the what could happen.
I worked on a sailboat at a yacht club. got the motor running and putting in gear. it would hardly move. wouldn't go forward or reverse but the shaft was turning good. took a swim and looked at the prop. no wonder it was shaking there was only one blade. it was loose on the shaft completely corroded from electrolysis. less than 6 months from having a bottom job done.
Wow crazy right?
Wish we had mechanics like you up here in my area- love your videos and wishing you and your team a very happy new year!
Where are you located? Thanks for watching.
@ skagit county - Washington state. Good old Pacific Northwest. I’m a new salt water boat owner and haven’t had the best luck with mechanics in my area so it’s nice to see there are some good ones out there! And I’m sure there are some great ones here to I just haven’t meet them yet. Anyways, love your videos! I try to do things myself on my boat when it comes to repairs ect - within my limited ability of course haha. Your videos have helped me a lot and I always look forward to your new ones! Happy new year!
@@Playnhooky oh boy you are far away! Look on google in your area and read the mechanic google reviews ... I just started one for our channel for when we start traveling around the US. Look up Will Fix That you should see us come up. Let me know,.
For the bonding, I have always kept three grounds if possible on a boat. The bonding system itself (ground), the DC system, and the AC system, all three separate systems with respect to ground. Some of the ABYC items in section E-2 and E-11 have conflicts with NEC codes, so there is that as well. I am surprised that there weren't anodes on the rudder itself.
I assume that the boat is also parked at a marina, and there is AC shore power on the boats. You need to make sure that the boat has Galvanic isolation devices as well to disconnect the AC safety ground onshore from the boats AC safety ground. Most of the time the stray currents at the dock are the number one issue with respect to electrolysis. The dock-mate might be the one who as connected different grounding systems together and is dumping charges into the water near the boat causing that amount of corrosion. We had to track down once a bad wiring job on a boat a few down that had a mess in the wiring that was eating the anodes on my boat at a quick rate, it was the battery charger. Once that issue was corrected anodes would last much longer time. 🤠👍
A happy and healthy New Year to the entire crew!
Thanks you too! 😊 keep watching 2025!
Good call Matt. Liability is a big deal when own a business. Your company can not take on the problem of a bad shaft. As you said it's a small island. Have great day.
Thanks Scott … I’m sure we’ll work it out after the holidays!
You all are awesome! Btw those screwdrivers have awesome reviews! Hope the guy recovering from back surgery does really well!! Another good dude out there!
Thanks for the kind words and for watching! We hope the screwdriver is great cause we plan to buy one for all our guys.
On that single screw Winter Express, what's that on the trailing edge of the prop? Almost looks reflective on one end, white on the other? EXCELLENT channel, watch every video. Thank you for sharing what you do, it's a wealth of knowledge.
It’s a Veem Propeller. They are plastic strips. Thanks for watching 🤪
Wish you guys were down here in Southern Maryland. I can't get a mechanic to come service my Silverton 37. Keep up the great work
Southern Maryland is a long way from here! 🤣
I agree with everything the screwdriver guy said, you guys are aces 😊. Whenr I hit the power ball n move to key West you'll be my mechanic
Thanks 😊 we’d love to be your mechanic.
No shops there that can straighten the shaft ??? also because the intakes strainers are green dose not always mean there bad or in need of better bonding .
Yes, there are shops that can straighten the shaft, but if it’s twisted, it cannot be repaired. Thanks for watching.
I suggest the swim platform tell a lot about the boat’s condition! Home Depot special!!!
Customer needs this ….
If you buy an inexpensive reference cell and multi meter you can check the boat's hardware post launch while dockside, just waiting a few weeks to see is probably not the best idea, I would also recommend an isolator for shore power if not already installed and checked
HAPPY NEW YEAR 😊 YOU DO A GREAT JOB
Thanks! Happy New Year.
Shaft = just walk away.
Yes shaft is a no go for now.
I am really enjoying your content. Thank you.
Thanks for watching 👍
You’re all really good people, have a really good new year to you all.
Thank so sooo much! Enjoy your New Year.
I would not install that shaft, even with a release. The reason is simple. If something goes wrong, with the release you may not be liable, but only you and the owner know about the release, everyone else sees a boat taking on water and you were the last one touching it. Right answer is replace the shaft or walk away. It's your business and your credibility, you have to decide. The customer is NOT always right.
Great points thanks for sharing. It's a new shaft or NOT moving forward.
Oh that goes for your team all the best .
Thanks for watching.
Stick with your gut feeling, your not a drunk mechanic trying to convince us so you can get out of work. Your the master mechanic of your group of technicians. Your call is the call, new shaft or no deal.period
Appreciate your kind words .... its taken me years of hard work to get here.
Even if you had the legal release, your name is associated with the repair. It just isn’t worth the risk. You have worked hard for a good reputation. You don’t want all business. Stick with customers who appreciate your quality and value.
Your so right John its taken me years to get here.
I would have to agree with this gentleman just posted. I would refuse to put the old shaft in and not have any type of attorney release because your name is still attached to that project and God forbid the boat sinks because of the old shaft it would end up in court. Walk away and they’ll be no worries.
Agree with this
...these days it's becoming harder, dishonesty is the rule of the day!
@@DriveSafeDon..record EVERYTHING!
bond everything in contact with sea water. anything above sea water is not necessary to be bonded. if you have an item below sea water and it's impossible to bond with a wire than mount a small zinc anode on it. also, it doesn't hurt to bond to neg side of battery too.
Even the right call can be hard to clear out from ones head ! Lol all the best for family in new year.
Only one call matters…. Doing it right! Happy New Year
Decades long diesel boat tech here- I am lucky to have management the respects my opinion when I tell them to WALK AWAY from certain boats once I take a good look at them.
Wish everyone listened … would make our job easier.
Sounds to me like that twisted shaft would go perfectly with the homemade swim platform, only in Key West I'm guessing.
That is a special swim platform if you look closely. It has to be homemade.
You are correct, walk away. The paperwork is not full coverage for you.
Exactly our thoughts....
@WillFixThat hard to turn away good business but sometimes a blessing to do so
Great work.
Appreciate you watching! Happy New Year
That is a very easy decision for me, You are always open to liability on a good day with you best of intensions and ability. Do not install this just to appease the client. Do it right or walk away
Yeah we always do it right or not at all … life’s too short not worth it!
I know if I have a bad feeling doing a job with anyone I usually walkaway from it. The headaches and drama isn't worth dealing with. Unless you got a lot of money to gamble with I wouldn't take the gamble. Better ask yourself is the money you could make really worth the money that could be loss. Lawyer fees, money tired up in parts, your employees labor and then the reputation you built. Every day in life we're learning. You learn what you like and don't like so you can start chasing what think you want and don't want to chase what you really want. You'll fight for want you believe and means the most despite what others think or say so just listen to what your heart feels and wants and you'll always keep finding the way. The greatest things in life came from an idea and they believed in that idea and fought threw the up's and downs to complete it and now the world shares them. Fear holds us back and limits are abilities in life so don't be afraid to take chances and push your abilities to level up
Love it .... thanks for sharing Kochykoo!
Another great video. No way I would install that bent shaft. I feel for the guy but to not spend the extra money to replace the shaft now would be insane.
It would be a disaster waiting to happen with bent shaft!
Give him the choice witch one he wants to do ! That sounds really dumb all that work & new parts he wants to put old bent shaft . Good video yal stay safe
Thanks Daniel appreciate the feedback. Hard making sense of it except he’s already spent so much.
Gut feeling prevails every time.. run .
Yes. 👍
Exactly, like you said. He is "burning a lot of money" or burnt a lot to fix this boat and he is thinking of a way to get some money back by "convincing" you to install a bad shaft on a new motor, so he can turn around and say you did not tell him (even if you did) as a proffessional and sue you.
I think he went way over budget on some other needed repairs. Thanks for watching.
We have had cruisers since 2000. For the first 5 years we had a 28 footer (Waterline) the marina once said I probably had more repairs than most. It was in Canada. People generally wanted the minimal done. The marina would use epoxy for steel to fix lower units. One thing they would not do was propane repairs. They said the liability was too great. They did what was required to make the boats float and not sink. They did refuse service on items that were not safe. We now have a 38 footer (Waterline) and keep it in US. The marina is independent and run by the owner. For all work they give you service proposal with estimated price. If you want less than the proposal done they will not do the work. If you provide owners with what you feel is the minimal required and they want less you can figure out your next move.
We've said no to many jobs because owner wanted to take a short cut.
Contracts can be your friend. Disappointment is always down to expectation; if you have the customer sign an agreement before you start work that says that at your discretion you won't refit parts that you feel are unsafe then when they query you can say e.g. "Upon inspection the shaft was found to have a 3deg twist, this could lead to vibration, excessive wear and failure of safety related items. As such in line with our commencement agreement we will not refit an unsafe part."
Yes we have a contract that all our customers sign. Great info 👍
Nigel Calders book seems to back it up that either bonding everything or nothing is fine either way. I have bonded nothing in a recent sailboat job and it is doing well so far but it is also not around other boats and stray currents in marinas often. Also what is that diamond patter blue sheeting you use to protect boats you are working on and laying under them?
That blue stuff is from west marine.
I love your work and love your content, watch it all the time so please dont take this the wrong way but if one of my guys used a shifting spanner on anything I would take it off him and melt it for scrap, shifting spanners are for emergencies only and the nuts od bolts loosened by one should be replaced, love your work though
Thanks for watching!
Call it discovery, replace the shaft and send the bill. Prop shop may have a used one , or can straighten?
It can’t be straightened we’ve already sent it off.
Had a 1974 Morgan O.I. 41 ketch for 29 years in Marco Is. Nothing has bonded and only the prop shaft had a zinc. Never had electrolosis. About half way though the ownership i replaced the non rising bronze gate valves on the thruhulls with rubber compression cylinder cocks. I took the gate valves apart and they were all still fine. Kept them as spares. Never changed the cutlass bearing or stuffing box. Tightened it a few flats over the years. Never serviced the Paragon P200 hydraulic transmission and it ran perfectly from a Westerbeke 4 107 and then a Perkins 4 236. I guess I was lucky. Cruised all of South Florida and The Keys and all the Northern and Central Bahamas. The boat and it's systems were almost bullet proof compared to today's stuff.
You've been lucky! 👍
Absolutely positively not doing a bent shaft job.
Exactly 👍
No way, no how would I deal with that shaft. That is lining up to be a litigation disaster.
We will only do it the right way!
Having had six boats-yachts, I have a great comprehension of what can go wrong and how badly it can escalate into property damage or loss of life. Things can be hidden that with even with close examination pass inspection yet be ready catastrophic failure. I don’t envy your business and responsibility. You have to step back and constantly evaluate the risks and document everything. It’s AWAYS C-Y-A!
You are exactly right Karl! Sheet can go wrong fast.
Hello from Ireland, Guys. Jesus, forget about the Lawyers. And is worth your while even doing it, if you get the right money, then mabey you could get it fixed. Weight up your two options, do it or dont. Its Serious stuff, if anything went wrong. Great video, keep it up guys 🙏🙏🥰👌👏👏👏👏👏👏
No matter what it’s NOT worth it! So only one option for us. Worked to hard to get here knowing about an issue.
@WillFixThat Respect Buddy.
How do you cheep out on a new shaft when you put that kinda money into your boat already. I have witnessed people change their oil and put a cheep oil filter on:to save 3 dollars. I guess they would like the cost of a new engine. Good video!
Anything to save a buck thanks for watching
I have a few Fantik goodies, they make good stuff!
Nice Matt looks forward to using it.
What else to they make that’s good?
@WillFixThat I have a few lights, a portable tire pump and tire repair kit for my motorcycle that's all really nice. Everything is compact, durable and pretty lightweight.
Them diesel fords corrode up here in north as bad as them boats down there !
Ours has corroded around the wheel wells we need new panels.
Stray current corrosion is the correct term, not electrolysis and not rust, call it corrosion. This is important if you are presenting yourself as a professional. The usual culprit and the easiest thing to check is the bilge pump system as these are usually live dc wires 24/7 and sitting in water it's all about the flow of ions. The stray current needs a path. The primary job of a bonding system is to carry ac fault current to the sea to prevent electrical shock.
There's a machinist up in Massachusetts that specializes in shafts and comes from the ship building industry.his business is TURN RIGHT Machine WORKS...just a thought..Good luck brothers and sisters
They’ve already been checked unfortunately can’t be repaired.
You’re the expert/professional-if he doesn’t want to do it your way then walk away. (30+ year engine rebuilder here).
Thank you… exactly! 👍
Not a boat guy here, but where do you get these parts? From the original yacht manufacturer ?
What kind of parts are your referring too? We source parts from many places.
@ All the through hull fittings and hoses. They look proprietary.
Smart businessman here...
Learning something everyday!
1:21 That's integrity.
All about integrity!
Good morning
Happy New Year Fatcat.
X2 on the battery powered tools, great productivity booster
If it works great we are going to buy all our guys one.
I find it absolutely bonkers that the owner has so much invested in everything else but wants to cheap out on a major important part i mean if you cant afford to fix it then sell it because you shouldn't own it in the first place.
Just think he wasn’t thinking clearly …. About the risks at hand.
"But I'm talkin' about shaft. We can dig it" 🎵
Happy new year 😊
If you are thinking about getting a lawyer involved for you to do something wrong- then you already know what to do...
We shall see … what happens.
We shall see 👍
We only do it the right way!
If people are lawyers or are threatening lawyers walk away man.
We will see what happens.
Can it be straightened ?
Unfortunately it can’t needs to be replaced.
It would seem to me that the amount of money in attorney fees the owner could pay for a new shaft which would eliminate the problem and save his rebuilt engines.
Yes agree. We won’t do it the wrong way no matter what.
How do you change out that thru hull fitting when it had 5200?
We had to cut it out.
@@WillFixThat bet that was fun lol
It amazes me as a full-time cruising sailor how little maintenance these owners actually do for themselves.
I know what you mean…it’s shocking how often that happens.
Turned on the A/C,...the toilet 😳 flushed!
Oh boy … dial a mechanic 🤣
As a business owner, the lady with the shaft replacement you should walk away from any and all liability on that project I would refuse to put the old shaft back in and politely tell her she needs to hire someone else to do the job. 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Exactly you are right!
High cost on that old boat?
Yup … needed maintenance.
In my opinion for a release to do an install you know is wrong is trying too hard to do the wrong thing. Just because you have release doesn’t mean you can’t be sued anyway. Happens all the time. I’d skip it and save your reputation.
Great feedback thanks. You are exactly right worked to hard to get this far.
Don't walk, run 😊. That's a no win situation.
I’m headed down the road, not looking back. Thanks for watching.
Even someone else puts it in without that release. unless you emailed him or texted showing proof of the findings he could hold you liable for the work you did. Save those emails and texts to cover yourself
Thank you for the wise advice.
inforative.i have never owned a salt water boat.
Salt water eats everything up.
When a mechanic says you should not fix something really means he is not smart enough to fix something .
Not sure about that.
Double agree with everyone. Walk away. More even than even liability, you are having to teach owner how it goes. He doesn’t get it, but you are saving him $$$,$$$. If you put the bent shaft in, he’ll be in one of the tow boat UA-cam channels!!
Omg that would be terrible for him and us…. We don’t have a tow boat UA-cam channel thank goodness. 🤪
How much is a new shaft? 600usd?
Over 12k +
@@WillFixThat Good Lord! USA is expensive!
@@animapulcra9205 This is a big shaft.... so yes it costs.
He wants to sell it right away and name you as his mechanic ....walk away!
We will see in the next few weeks.
If you began the job, removing the shaft, you're obligated to re-install it - not in a strict legal sense, but to leave the owner high and dry because you get cold feet on a job is not right. Just make it clear it's his bad decision and spell it out on the invoice - ie no guarantees due to reinstallation of a failed part.
Andy don’t think it’s leaving them high and dry when they can sue your pants off later because they were being cheap and didn’t want to do the repair correctly.
@@WillFixThat Unfortunate, sounds like the guy can't afford the boat, but can afford litigation. Oh well.
New Shaft or bail on the job.
Yes.
Ship it to kieth fender for straightening
Unfortunately can’t see straightened we’ve already sent already sent it off.
You answered your own question; it’s not the right thing to do
Yup not doing it worked to hard for too long.
You would replace the shaft after all the money he’s spent out it’s not worth taking short cuts the extra cost is just what happens it’s not worth stuffing up the rest of the work (cost of everything).
Exactly right …. Finish it the right way.
Being the Mechanic of record and the nearest thing to an expert to have yet touched the boat, I would say you would probably be held responsible for installing a know part (shaft) with a know issue (bent). I wouldn't touch it, tell him to get a Marine Engineer to OK and sign off.
New or not doing it!
You do not use his attorney to draw anything up, you use your own attorney, period.
Personally, I would not reinstall that shaft. Any later issues can come back to bite you, as in having to spend money on legal fees, your time and the hassle.
I'm now a solid convert to non-metallic through hulls, seacocks and strainers. Replaced those huge Perko units with smaller and higher flow rate Forespar Marelon units. Zero issues with temps.
We will only do the repair right so we won’t need an attorney! Thanks for your input.
With all the problems of boating ( engines, fiberglass repairs, mold A/C etc) do you ever think that man should not boat?
Men love their boats!
47 years electrician here.....BOND EVERYTHING...........................................
Thank you 👍
Walk away, actually run away from this owner and his boat. When a client insists that you do what you know is incorrect, forget the attorneys, run.........
Thanks Paul will see if they come around to my thinking.
The courts are ruling against the repair shops these days. There are a few cases in Florida and Georgia where the shops had in writing “No warranty either implied or express on parts or labor.” Because the shops agreed to install a customer’s parts or agreed to perform a repair jot by the book.
The courts rule against the shop because the shop is the proffesional and since they accepted the parts and or job and put their hands on it, then they should accept full responsibility because since they are professional and know better.
A shop in Orlando lost a case a few years back during COVID where they agreed to install a customer supplied reman engine and the engine failed 6 months later ant it cast the owner 13k!
Sad but true. DO NOT PERFORM THAT REPAIR! Run!
Discussions are in work. Thanks for watching. Big Dave how did you learn about these cases? Happy New Year.
I used to own an independent BMW shop for 20 years I am five times recertified Master ASE. I picked and chose my clients carefully. My bottom line was anybody who wanted to negotiate the way I do business from price to product I declined their services, IMMEDIATELY! PERSONA NON GRATA
Yeah you have to be firm sometimes! We are pretty hard like that too we don’t negotiate price!
Thanks for the advice and for watching
It's not the right thing to do, period! The hell with attorney's, too much at stake.
Thanks Pete you are right 👍
Know this, even if the boat owner releases you from Liability for mechanical liability...it does NOT release YOU from personal harm! You are aware of the seriousness of potential failure therefore you will have SOME liability to whatever happens for a timeframe of (forever) , with this boat. WALK AWAY!
I will take that under advisement thanks for watching
Yay 7.3 powerstrokes!!!!! I miss mine lol but that was alot of green for that hoat and I wouldn't have put a twisted and bent shaft in and I agree I would have someone else put it in unfortunately I wouldn't touch it. And all of yall are wearing jackets how cold is it in key west lol
lol it was mid-high 60’s 🤣 with the windy blowing. Green truck will see this week still water in oil.
@@WillFixThat lol, it's 55 and rainy here, and I look forward to hearing about the green truck!
What is company that straighten the shafts out there . This guy is not very good or he would know
Unfortunately they can’t be straightened we’ve already tried.
I would like to see some bonding comments from some of the other experienced mechanics.
Maybe some will weigh in 👍
Refuse to install the shaft, even with a release of liability!
Yes exactly… only doing it the correct way 👍
Don't "walk away" RUN, and don't ever do work for that client again. Putting a known bad part into anything is never acceptable. What if there is loss of life due to a failure.?
Exactly our thought that would be catastrophic for them and us! Not worth it.
Boating is a serious commitment....😮
Yes exactly 👍
It is impossible to establish a "firewall" between you and the owner utilizing legal documents. If you install the shaft you will commit an act that transgresses your experience, skill, and reputation. Leave the shaft on the ground and walk away.
Thanks Briggs you are right!