I've been researching this topic for a week trying to figure out the best option. Your video was very in depth and yet also very straightforward. Thank you.
Good video bruh. You organized what you wanted to say, kept an outline to stay on track, and delivered super useful content to those trying to understand alternatives to solve the "wireless problem". So, maaaad props for the video
One problem in your home is that not all of the outlets in your house may not be connected to each other. Most houses have two legs. Outlets on one leg may not be able to connect to outlets on the other leg.
Good point. That's for N. America. In most of the rest of the world which is at ~230V, you either have single-phase or 3-phase, which means 1 "leg" or 3.
In my experience, MoCA is very good, while Powerline Ethernet has highly variable performance. Sometimes you don't have a choice, so something is better than nothing.
The cons for MoCA in this video were rather trivial, it's mainly a cost factor. But you have to decide what's better, price or convenience. I'd rather choose convenience vs running ethernet cables all over the place and gluing them to the floor board.
I have never had any luck with power line Ethernet adapters....ever! However, I have ad excellent results with the MoCA adapters. My house is wired to the hilt with RG6 cable. Both levels are finished, so fishing wires would have been a nightmare. MoCA saved me! I'm getting gigabit speeds to the areas I need them. Great video! Thanks!
Yeah, if you've got coax all over the house, MoCA rocks. The only drawback is that all those adapters cost a bit more, but heck... that's way easier and cheaper than pulling Ethernet cables through all the walls.
@@Superman-xr1oh They would be, but not all houses have existing coax running everywhere, either. In that case, Ethernet ends up being easier - and future-proof.
i found a great solution!!! i grew a pair and grabbed what tools i had, bought a $38 dollar snake camera and ran extension cords in the attic and crawl space and ran Ethernet and coax INSIDE my walls, DONE! i even i put in double fully shielded twisted pair cat6 which is good for up to 25gbps! the shielding, once grounded helps with interference! the rubber will rot off before the wires get outdated!
What do you mean by “omce grounded”? I’m wanting to hardwire a few rooms with cat8 but I’m no techy and just getting my info from UA-cam. When I think of grounded I imagine a separate wire grounded to the a separate piece of metal. But when I’m looking up videos people mention ground the cable with a piece of copper tape. Thanks In advance for any info. And YES I know cat8 is over kill but it’s a lil over $100 difference from cat6a and yes those thing that you terminate the wire with is more but that ok and I’m willing to pay that “just to say I have cat8”.
@@ridin_low193 so there is metal foil I side cat 6a and cat8 which WOULd be great but it acts as an antenna to ATTRACT interference!!! GROUNDED it SHIELDS interference! A good switch will have grounded ports BUT, you MUST have grounded RJ45 plugs! Some switches have metal around the ports but, aren't GROUNDED
(Correct me if i'm wrong) So, to my understanding, the way Moca works is that you connect the Moca adapter via Coax cable through your coax outlet, and connect the adapter via Ethernet cable to your modem. To get connection to your device {in a different room (i.e computer)] you use an Ethernet cable connected to another moca adapter, that is connected to a coax outlet.What I want to know is, is there way to connect hand-held devices (i.e Ipad, kindle, phone) that don't have Ethernet ports to these adapters?
Realistically speaking, a wired/wireless combo setup is always best for any network that includes smartphones and smart home devices that have no ethernet ports. But thanks for the advice on MoCA adapters. I think I'll buy some.
I have my PC's hooked up directly by ethernet, but my streaming devices are using powerlines. The increase in latency and slight speed loss I get via powerlines is not an issue for steaming because I have enough overhead. When I used WiFi the signal wasn't effected after installing powerlines, and radio transmissions are unaffected.
Will it work if i only get 1 moca adapter? since our internet modem is connected to one on the cable network already but is a direct tv adapter. I wanted to get one for the bedroom upstairs and connect a router to it.
I live in a condo with hoa...and in the parking area I don't have acces to power line ...and I'm trying to hook up a camera I could power the cam with a battery ... I was thinking would the signal be seen by the cam . If I hook the (power line adapter) in the condo with out connecting a (power line adapter) box in the garage .because there's power lines but I don't have acces ?
Hi, my question is or I should say problem is I want to get internet to another building on my property which has cable tv and power from my house not a separate service. I have an older house which has alot of RG59 cable and I also have a booster on the cable tv I can get signal with my mesh but it's a weak signal. Could I use MOCA and plud one of my mesh pucks into that or should I go with the powerline? THANK YOU
I just installed Moca 2.5 adapters and are getting gigabit speed. Version 2.5 is 2.5gigs but the adapters have 1 gig ports. The 2.5 gigs is shared by all the adapters. I am using Actiontech 6250 but there are cheaper adapters out there.
@@tataniclovely, I did not need the filters. I did have some trouble with my Xfinity cable TV boxes when I installed splitters to accommodate the MOCA adapters. I did some research and the following splitters were one of the ones recommended. GE Digital 2-Way Coaxial Cable Splitter, 4 Pack, 2.5 GHz 5-2500 MHz, RG6 Compatible, Works with HD TV, Satellite, Internet, Amplifier, Antenna, Gold Plated Connectors, Corrosion Resistant, 55288. Here is the Amazon link: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BVVD4C8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Hey Scotty, Dirty Electricity is a real thing you know. Those signals going throgh the power cables will make the power cables emit strange frequencies and pulse modulations. Not healthy. Cat-6E or better is very well shielded, use network cables, drill holes if necessary.
I'm with you on that one. If I couldn't drill holes, I'd just route the cables neatly around rooms and through doorways. As usual, "better" is never "easier".
Great job explaining the pros and cons! Thanks for your training class. I don't see how to eliminate the WiFi from the house. Hooking our laptops, tablets, cellphones, Ring Doorbells, Google Nest, Alexa, Wyze cameras.... Wiring is fine for my old desktop but I think wiring for the most part is becoming obsolete. What happens when we have 5G, 6G.....? I have a big box of X-10 and Insteon stuff in the basement, needs to go to the trash.
Wiring is still faster for streaming. 5G is coming but how will having everyone on 5G affect speeds? Hacking? A wired connection is not only faster but more secure. How reliable is 5G and beyond during weathering? Solar and powerwalls will also come to most homes. Wires aren't going anywhere. Fiber is replacing conventional wire and is even faster. 5G is for traveling, being mobile and for the average schmuck just browsing and watching a video here and there. Wireless devices are still planned obsolescence. Ring doorbell is dumb. Your deadbolt latch is suppose to have 3-1/2" screws to enter the stud frame which most homes don't have rather have them installed with shorter screws. Having a camera is better and longer lived and more likely to intimidate thieves which can potentially still damage your property if they attempt a break in than a ring doorbell can it's only a matter of time before they can figure out a means to know if no one is home. Smart Thermostats like nest are also dumb. You are better off checking thermal bridging and temperature leaks using a thermal camera, investing in better insulation, curtains, draft stoppers. A lot of new tech are still flops. The smart watch, for example, is more useless than it is useful as the tracking steps, heart rate monitoring systems are still inaccurate and have poor battery life. Also some research from the university of Melbourne claim that emf emitted from wifi devices adversely affects sleep quality. Obviously wireless is very useful but there are still tradeoffs and still are better used when you are out and about.
My builder ran all the network and cable wiring to an outside box near my electrical service. Here's what I'm thinking: run power to the box to plug in a switch. The network wire from the isp modem/wifi to the switch, then out to the rest of the rooms through the already installed network wire. Will that be ok? My cable carries all the signal to the modem/wifi unit. Otoh, maybe a 2nd modem? Can I have more than one modem on the cable? Thats essentially what the dvr's are?
I actually use the Netgear 2000 (for the last 2 years), and I am it's pretty good IAW my speed test. I'd rather have hardwire connected to my computer in my new basement office. But, the Powerline works well for now.
What if we dont have cable TV? We use spectrum and I have a google mesh. I prefer wired and wanted to wire my new home but the guy said he would have to do it from outside, theres really no where to hide in the wall. Unless redo the trim. that would be too much. We have coax & phone lines everywhere in the house. Sad part my phone jacks from 98' cant be reweired to Cat6. will Moca still work without cable network. Could I add this between the first router and google router and have the moca box connect to the other wired mesh router on the second floor?
MoCA should work fine exactly as you suggested - as long as your existing coax jacks are connected together at some point in the house (like at a splitter or amplifier).
you might as well just shut down everything in your house and rip all the copper electricity lines out if that amount of emf is "harmful" to your health, idiot.
Yeah, then you'd need to use ethernet if you want to go wired. OR... You could figure out where the cable internet enters the house, and make sure only that coax input is tied to the single coax jack connected to your router. Then leave the other coax jacks linked together via the splitter or whatever, and use MoCA on the remaining jacks.
I tried buying Ethernet adapters for my Wpple devices twice now. $35 each and then $33 each. Both adapter models didn’t work. I have to buy the Belkin one that is very expensive. I wired my entire house up in Ethernet (14 cables throughout the 2 story house). It took a long time. Total waste until I save up enough to buy the right expensive adapters.
Yeah, Apple gizmos are tricky. You usually have to buy the expensive model of everything (including cables/adapters). Which is why I don't have anything Apple-y.
@13:55 "1Gbit connection between computers......". Yes, but only computers on that same switch, if you tranfer files from 1 pc on switch A to another pc on switch B, the speed can be less, because the i.e. 8 ports on the switch share the 1 Gbit connection through the (1)ethernet cable that connect the 2 switches.
You can connect each powerline adapter with Ethernet cables to your ISP router (on 2 different electrical circuits), and then the 2 different circuits will be able to get internet from the same network.
Very interesting, I have tp-link 4220 models, the problem is that they loose connection from time to time and for gaming it's not so good. I live in an 200yr+ house most of the electrical wiring we got redone, but some are still from the 70's. I've flashed them with the last firmware beta but no difference. I'm going to go back to Ethernet (my rabbit ate through my 25m cables) hence he went to a new home in the back yard and I went for the electric plugs. Thx
Ok so weird question and I can’t seem to find anyone else in my situation but I have really fast wifi, but when it comes to gaming online the connection is very unstable so obviously I want Ethernet, I can’t move my modem but it’s directly above my room, I was thinking of buying either a wifi extender to get the signal and connect an Ethernet cable to it, or using powerline, what would you recommend. The signal I get is good just need more stability.
Well your first option won't work exactly the way you think. By definition, a wifi extender is wirless. It doesn't connect to the main network with an ethernet cable. It connects to your Wi-Fi network and then creates another wifi network. If you want to use an ethernet cable to get better wifi, you want a wifi access point. You will need to run a cable from the router all the way to where you need more coverage though. Powerline adapters are hit or miss. There are MoCa adapters that work similarly to powerline devices, but they use the coaxial cabling instead of electrical wiring.
You should be able to log into the router to access options. Google how to do this for the specific model or provider. For example, most Netgear routers use routerlogin.net to access options. Once you log in, you should have access to options like changing the network’s name, password, and whether wireless is on or off. Contact your ISP to see if you can get login options from them. Also consider buying your own router. Most ISPs will (sometimes begrudgingly) allow you to use your own modem and router rather than rent one from them. It’s expensive up front (~$40-60 for a modem, ~$75-100 for a good router), but you will fully own your equipment and you won’t have to pay your ISP an extra fee every month to rent equipment. Then you can do whatever you want with it.
My question is latency. I am really concerned about ping. I do very competitive gaming. I need the lowest ping possible. I currently have MoCA, and I get about the same ping I got with my 5 GHz network. Would you suggest power line for better ping, or does it really depend on the house?
Ethernet will give you the fastest ping. You MIGHT also get ping times that are as fast as Ethernet with MoCA or even WiFi, but it depends... You'd have to test to know for sure. Generally speaking tho, gamers go for Ethernet + the fastest net connection available.
You might get gigabit with Cat 5e. Windows will tell you. Search for "ethernet settings", and if it says 1000 Mbps, you're all set. If not, get a Cat 6 or 6a cable.
I tried to use powerline to get internet to my garage space but it’s a distance from the house, and even though it’s on the same circuit it wouldn’t connect, any thoughts ?
That's one of the drawbacks. Distance between powerline gizmos is a factor. The farther apart they are, the more intereference and signal degradation you get (more or less). I just ran an ethernet cable to my garage. Then I tell people my garage is internet-enabled, and they look at me like I'm crazy. Which is nice... and probably true.
I have a question? I live in a remote area and the bandwidth available, when its available, is minimal. We have Century Link here but I have to wait for someone to move to get access to the internet (I live on an Island) I have been using my hotspot on my cell phone but because I am EMF sensitive I use it as minimal as possible. I have been looking into the satellite companies (Starlink today) and wonder if it can be hardwired if I have it installed in my guest house? I would then like to run an ethernet cable to my house?
Alright I have bad lag spikes and I want to be a competitive gamer but my internet is keeping me from it I will be able to get an actual Ethernet cable in 4 months long story but I need better internet now so do you think I should buy that or is there anything else I could do and I can’t drill holes in my house because my parents would kill me
Well, the first thing to know is the quality of your overall internet connection. If you go to speedtest.net, it will tell you upload/download speed, but also Ping time. With DSL, my ping is 26ms. If your net connection is crappy, you might see much high ping times, like hundreds of milliseconds. If that's the case, then your net connection is just not very good. BUT, it IS also possible that your WiFi is pokey, so then an Ethernet connection would be better in that case. You just have to test it out and see. If you can't drill holes, then you'd have to do the cable routing tricks (hotglue to baseboards, between carpet and wall if possible, etc). It's pretty time-consuming, but it can be done in a non-permanent and relatively appealing way. It might be worth doing a test with another laptop or something - like run the speedtest and check ping times with lappy over WiFi, and then with very short Ethernet cable. If that's possible... That would at least tell you if the Ethernet cable will give any benefit before you buy and route a super-long cable. Well, hope that helps, and good luck!
No when I first moved in it was about 20 but other people are here for about another 2 months and it’s about high 20 or really low 30 but it’s just that the lag spikes out it to 300 randomly and it’s very annoying it happens about once every minute or 2
And some people are telling me to buy this thing to plug into the wall and then my Ethernet cable in it it’s so that the Ethernet cable doesn’t have to be in the router do you think it would help lag spikes because I’m going to be able to plug an Ethernet cable in 2 months but I’m a competitive gamer and I need good internet connection really soon so I can get some money off the game but I can’t do that with bad ping it’s such a disadvantage 😕
@@typicaltx4117 Hmm... Yeah, you could try the ethernet-over-powerline adapters. The question is: are the lags coming from WiFi (or your home network somehow), or is your home internet connection itself lagging over 2 minutes for some reason?
I’m trying to also get a different provider and speaking with them is very difficult. Attempting to explain that I don’t want wifi, and want to use my own equipment
Oh yeah, that's always fun. What I do is find somebody who has the same service, then go look at their router (or ask them to look at it) and tell me if it's easy to turn off the WiFi (hopefully there's a simple button on the ISP's router). Then I order service, and I stick my own custom router between the ISP's box and my home network. That way, I don't have to futz with or really replace the ISP's stuff - I just use it like a modem. Well, there's a learning curve there, for sure!
hey scottie, I wired up via moca/cable ethernet wires. question is, I’m using a modem/router with wifi, so does hardwiting actually eliminate the wifi, & only make it active “on demand”,? or is it still emitting wifi throughout my home?
You have to actually turn off the WiFi in your modem/router. If there's no physical button, then you can prolly do it via the modem/router's web config. Your ISP's site will prolly have instructions on how to do that.
Hi Scotty I have been without wifi for a few years and it’s been fantastic. I actually have an unrelated question. Could you recommend a 2 way radio that I can purchase to just have, plus my12 yr old boy also would be using. I don’t want any surveillance tech in them. Any thoughts? Thank you
I have 4 of these: Motorola T600 (amzn.to/2Pw8G21). Long battery life, relatively secure, no spy stuff, and good range (2 miles in town, 6 miles in open areas with line of sight). And they're waterproof!
When you turn on WiFi, an iPhone stops using your cellular data. Does it do the same when you plug it in to an ethernet cable? Is there a setting you have to change? Thanks for any tips.
Awesome explanation, Thank you for your contribution and for your time in creating these valuable videos for us. Keep it going please. You're the best.
Nope. However you get internet access, they'll give you some kind of router/box that should have ethernet ports on the back. You might also have phone service via this "box", but all of that is totally separate from an actual landline phone.
i have a really bad internet connection. My router is in the basement and I'm on the second floor. so i was wondering if I could use the coax cable in my parent's room and connect it to the moca adapter and then run the ethernet into my computer. Now the problem is that ive seen on other videos and reviews where some will say you need two moca adapters. one to plug into the router downstairs and one to plug into the coax cable. But since my parents already use it for cable wouldn't it be already connected? The other reviews say you only need one and that is the one plugged into the coax cable in my parent's room. I've checked for adaptability with my router like i saw someone say to look for and it doesn't have it. Should i get two or one moca adapters?
You'd need 2 adapters - one for the router Ethernet connection, and the other between your puter and coax jack upstairs. The only potential problem is that not all services work with MOCA. In other words, if the coax is just carrying a signal from a TV antenna or normal cable TV, then you can use MOCA to send data over the coax. But if the coax is being used for services like DirecTV or other satellite TV, then you can't use MOCA adapters at the same time on the same coax cable. As usual, it's complicated!
I purchased 2 powelines adaptops and 2 switches. Buy only one device get internet. Do I have to use a modem for this? or different switches (unmanaged).
@@ScottiesTech thanks for your reply. Powerline adapter(netgear 2000) to the wall connected to the modem. Since the powerline adapter has 2 ethernet ports the other one is connected to a switch( tp-link TL-SG105). I have about 4 devices connected to the switch but only my smart TV get internet. The reason im doing the powerline adapters is to stay away from RF. do you have other options?
@@migueljimenez5295 Hmm... As far as I know, the way you connected everything should work just fine. I'm not sure what the problem is. I'm guessing it's the powerline adapters that are somehow interfering with DHCP or something. Are you sure the powerline adapters are strictly passive and not going any networking nonsense at a software level? Sometimes they're configurable... That's the only thing I can think of!
Can you plug more than a pair of Powerline Adapters in a circuit? If so, why can't you just split the lan cable to multiple device, instead of using a switch?
Ethernet is a point-to-point connection. Each device has it's own IP address, and something needs to route data from one address to another. That's the short version! It is possible to do crazy things, though, like you could install 2 Ethernet adapters in a computer and use 1 Ethernet jack for connection to the internet, and then other jack could be used to wire up a second device for net access. In that case, the computer with 2 Ethernet ports becomes the gateway to the internet for the 2nd device. But normally, it's just easier and simpler to use switches.
@@ScottiesTech thanks for the answer! Question was more about: can you plug more than 2 Powerline Adapters in a circuit? Would that work? (Given that ethernet does not work with more than 2 devices on the line)
Interesting topic. I have 2 story house, modem/router is downstairs, xbox/laptop upstairs. Direcrly above one another. I only need 1 hardwired connection upstairs, instead of wifi. Coaxial MoCa 2.0 sounds interesting, but I should probably just call a company to install 1 and done ethernet jack through the wall. The powerline ethernet sounds like a no-go since I have whole house surge protection.
I am thinking on getting a pair of powerline adapters for a computer. I'm not as interested in speed as I am for the constant signal (acceptable latency, no micro interruptions as I have with wifi). So, basically signal stability. Do you think Porwerline Networking accomplishes that?
With the advent of short circuit fault power line breakers, how well does this ethernet solution play with those breakers? Depends on the manufacture of the breaker, the few I have researched monitor the power line for 1 MHz, assuming that is one of the frequencies which will be present should a short circuit occur. Seems to me all it would take is a resonance of 1 MHz from the powerline ethernet and the breaker will trip. What are your thoughts on this?
Installed a pair of these in my house today and it was only 24mbps at the spot I needed it, which was 4x slower than the Wi-Fi in that location. Nowhere near the rated 2000mbps. Will I get better speeds if I install more of them?
Powerline ethernet seems to be my only option as of now, is it the same speed or slightly better than wifi? If it's going to be slower than wifi then I won't get it, but as long as it's the same speed or faster than wifi I don't mind getting it, you reply is appreciated
These powerline adaptors send the data signal (you are getting from your internet provider), and then encodes it as a digital frequency that shouldn't interfere with your home's electrical system, and then each powerline box will be able to receive that encoded signal (as long as they are plugged into a working power outlet and linked beforehand to the main transmitter box... you do this by pushing the link button on each box within 30-60 seconds of each other,). Btw, you shouldn't plug these powerline adaptors into a power/surge bar, because the circuitry inside the power bar could interfere with the encoded data stream. For best results, each powerline box needs to be plugged directly into a wall outlet. With that said, are powerline adaptors better than a good wifi router? Sometimes. Are they better than a wired ethernet cable? Nope.
@@CoroaEntertainment some powerlines also have wifi are they good or should i buy one and buy one other rooter and connect it tou the power line for wifi
we encrypt data so that 5 mb song could wraped in 5 bytes x64 bits so bandwith is plenty. only need buffering at receiver to unwrap the data with onluly few seconds after nano second transmited
@@ScottiesTech Hi bro. Can you please tell me if I have to use Moca filters or how to connect them ? Or can you please make a video to show us how to install Moca adapters ? Thanks
Hello mate Merry Xmass and all the best In regards to a previous video you made about connectors ... I am totally and utterly lost ....I need to connect a Fudjitsu Siemens monitor with a DVI D input to a MacBook air Via usb 3.0 port ....I have looked all over the internet and just can't seem to find the adapter I need I have a thunderbolt 2 in which I have another monitor, I use a VGA to a mini display port adapter to connect it ....If the first option doesn't work ( DVI D to usb 3.0 adapter ) what do I need to get to connect both monitors via the mini display port ? Your expert opinion will be much appreciated I need it for my work and my workflow suffers a great deal without this extra monitor ....peace
With D-Link Powerline adapters I got 36Mbps. Thank god for Amazon's return policy. D-Link and other vendors should set more reasonable expectations. I get 720Mbps wired and 540Mbps wireless from my SBG7600. The D-Link connected to the modem manages 450Mbps. The remote unit is slower than the WiFi at that range.
To be fair to the EOP side, all network devices tell you that your throughput will vary based on materials and network traffic, wired or not. It would be more disingenuous to exclude the disclaimer.
Any power outlets that are on the same phase. If you're in N. America, then all the power outlets in your place are divided into 2 phases or 'legs'. Think of phases like 2 different Big Circuits: Each phase has multiple breakers on it, so you can send internet from any outlet on any of those circuits to any other. If you're in Most of the Rest of World, then you either have single phase 230V, or 3-phase. If single phase, then you can just use any outlet to send internet to any other outlet. If 3-phase, then it's like N. America, except all your outlets are separated into 3 Big Circuits, not just 2. Well, easiest way is to just test! If the MoCA adapters don't work, stick one in a nearby outlet/room, and then you'll probably find it works.
The HomePlug flavor is only supposed to require a common neutral. Other flavors of Powerline ethernet may vary (there are a bunch). One of them needs common live, neutral, and ground as you say... and it's also more reliable and zippier. It gets hairy, which is one good reason why I just go with plain old ethernet!
@@MMAFightMagazine Turn the circuit breaker for that circuit off (have to figure it out by trial and error if not labeled properly). Then, see what works and what doesn't. Yeah, I know, that's ridiculous... but, that's electrical wiring for ya!
If you are having a signal problem because the two powerline adapters are not on the same circuit (bus) in your main electrical panel, just go into your electrical panel and swap one of those circuit breakers with another that is on the other bus.
thank you so much Scotty! i have a question about EMF emission. does running Moca still emit lots of EMF? is it a healthier alternative over powerline?
MoCA is generally much better on that front since coax cable is designed in such a way that its emissions are usually very, very low. So, I'd say it's the best option after Ethernet.
Can I directly connect it too the circuit breaker box with rj45 to reach the entire connection..I'm researching it for newer innovation on grid tied solar inverter...where on the inverter side it's internally connected to it's AC cable 100 meters away or on the rooftop..to monitor daily solar yield..since these micro inverters can be daisy chained via the AC cable..this means the newer prototypes of home cables..for futuristic Omega homes design..where the roof are calculated for optimal photovoltaic tilt throughout the year..from it's coordinates..it's better if it was tested on the Saharan desert power houses...to power the World Project..
Hmm... That's a great question! As long as both adapters are connected to the same AC circuit, it might just work. Hopefully, the inverters' output isn't noisy!
@@ScottiesTech ..but it's not invented yet.. but if they did exist..it just need the internet to update it's yield..during the daylight..not for gaming or other high bandwidth data.. for the moment..you mean it can't cross 2 curcuit breakers?
@@ScottiesTech ..what do you recommend if I were to rewire my AC cable in my house so that I could control/monitor all devices via the network.. like what kind of AC cabling suit this activity..is it coax twisted AC or something similar..?
The cons for MoCA in this video were very trivial, it's mainly a cost factor. But you have to decide what's more important, price or convenience. I'd rather choose convenience vs running ethernet cables all over the place and gluing them to the floor board. The sight of running ethernet cables, tacking/gluing them to the floorboard or ceiling would look extremely tacky in my opinion. Nobody likes the sight of seeing wires all over the place.
It's way easier to wire your whole house with ethernet than it appears : Most load bearing walls are cavity walls (brick & mortar houses), run your wires up there & through the ceiling, then down into each room - done in a couple of hours max if you plan well. That's your best option - couple it with a fibre optic internet connection to your house instead of wireless internet, and a good quality router. MoCa's not viable in my neck of the woods with sat tv using coax already. Power line is useful for traveling connections.
Running inside wire is becoming a lot art...alas. As a telephone installer in a past life, I can tell you it takes a wide variety of experience with different building types (residential, commercial, city and suburban) to gain a good skill for it. I wholeheartedly agree hard wire is surely the best approach to networking. Anybody who is not handy and considering it, should see if they can find an experienced electrician or retired telephone installer to do the job in a neat, workmanlike way with wires fished and hidden as much as is possible. It's not that hard if you know the tricks of the trade.
@@Guust_Flater From South Africa : Most houses are built with solid clay bricks & cement - the cavity isn't inside the clay brick - it's between two walls of single bricks, together forming a double cavity wall for outside, and inside load-bearing, walls - very useful for wiring (usually put in narrow pvc piping before finishing the top part of the walls). There are some here and there that uses cement bricks, that itself are hollow, but double the size. Clay brick is the preferred way though.
I bought some TPlink powerline adapters in April, and it wasn't until this week I was able to test. Return window closed in May, and I only get 20mbps of my 500. Ugh.
Thanks Scottie. Watched both videos on switching from WiFi to wired connections. I know how to run cable and will use the ethernet cables with the switch boxes. The back of my Verizon Fios G1100 router has 4 ethernet ports. I know this sounds like a dumb question, but will my router automatically stop sending out WiFi signals when I plug in ethernet cables (and turn off WiFi on all my devices)? Currently, I "airplane mode" all my devices and disconnect the power to the WiFi router every evening so that my sleep is no longer interrupted by the WiFi signal (deep sleep has gone from 6 mins to > 60 mins ). Thanks for any input before I buy my supplies!
Would this work or is there a simple "off" button for WiFi? .... FiOS Quantum Gateway Log into admin GUI on Web by entering 192.168.1.1 or myfiosgateway.com in the browser address bar Enter your admin username and password. If this is your first login, you will be asked to change username, password and timezone Click on Wireless Settings Click on Basic Security Settings Next to Wireless under section 1, select Off for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz Click on Apply
In the UK we use ring mains for our electrical cables, I'm under the assumption that they are independent of each other and will not suit the power line Ethernet adapters, lets say between floors (circuits) Have they improved these days??
They should work. The newest powerline adapters apparently use the neutral wire as the "signal" line. So, even through different circuits or even across different phases, they still work. That's way better than many years ago when I tried a pair of the things and you had to be on the same breaker. The only restrictions nowadays seem to be: no power strips, no battery backups, no extension cords. It's best to plug them directly into a wall outlet (you could probably get away with an extension cord, tho).
@@LiamRoberts00 Hey Scotty, Dirty Electricity is a real thing you know. Those signals going throgh the power cables will make the power cables emit strange frequencies and pulse modulations. Not healthy. Cat-6E or better is very well shielded, use network cables, drill holes if necessary.
@@hootsmin Yes thanks very much...I am aware of this and spent some time recently looking into buying an EMF-RF sensor device to scan my house and surrounding areas, I do have an interest in protecting people and feel that one day I may help people reduce the amount of frequencies in a given space, it would be great to know of Scottie's opinion on some of these devices, personally I was looking within the £150 price rang but then soon learnt that £1800 on was more realistic when it comes to these tools, Liam.
Hmm... Could be: 1. Bad Ethernet cables - maybe smushed, broken, or untwisted wires inside cable 2. Bad Ethernet switch 3. Need new driver for Ethernet (this one is pretty rare these days!)
I really need to check my privilege, because I complain about my Wi-Fi speeds when there are people out there who have terrible Wi-Fi along with Godzilla and Gamera fighting near their matchstick house. We are very fortunate compared!!
I'm confused, I get the switch solution, but why would you run ethernet to phones and tablets. They are designed to be wireless, not sure there are many homes with the needs for multiple switches.
I have MoCA 2.0 right now works great I don’t think coax puts off rf like Powerline does if so please let me know I know that a certain Company is releasing true MoCA 2.5 at the end of January that will put out true 2.5 gigabit speeds through real 2.5 Enthernet ports it will go to amazon at the end of January
So what is worse, Wi-Fi radiation or Powerline Networking adapter radiation (assuming, worrying about such is your thing) Personally I'm into radio, and anything that adds radiated crud to my house is a problem.
Well, that's the question... I'd avoid WiFi and GHz-frequency+ stuff more than the lower-frequency powerline networking EMF. At the same time, there's a whole other branch of EMF exposure research that indicates that capacitive coupling from 50 or 60Hz electrical wiring alone can have pretty nasty effects on at least some people out there.
Hi Scotty, I love you show, so much useful information and it's always better when you can get it from a reliable source. I was wondering if you have investigated weather or not the power line attachments create "dirty electricity"?
I've been researching this topic for a week trying to figure out the best option. Your video was very in depth and yet also very straightforward. Thank you.
Always seem to learn something smart when Scottie speaks!
Thanks always Scottie.
Good video bruh. You organized what you wanted to say, kept an outline to stay on track, and delivered super useful content to those trying to understand alternatives to solve the "wireless problem". So, maaaad props for the video
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One problem in your home is that not all of the outlets in your house may not be connected to each other. Most houses have two legs. Outlets on one leg may not be able to connect to outlets on the other leg.
Good point. That's for N. America. In most of the rest of the world which is at ~230V, you either have single-phase or 3-phase, which means 1 "leg" or 3.
In my experience, MoCA is very good, while Powerline Ethernet has highly variable performance. Sometimes you don't have a choice, so something is better than nothing.
The cons for MoCA in this video were rather trivial, it's mainly a cost factor. But you have to decide what's better, price or convenience. I'd rather choose convenience vs running ethernet cables all over the place and gluing them to the floor board.
I have never had any luck with power line Ethernet adapters....ever! However, I have ad excellent results with the MoCA adapters. My house is wired to the hilt with RG6 cable. Both levels are finished, so fishing wires would have been a nightmare. MoCA saved me! I'm getting gigabit speeds to the areas I need them. Great video! Thanks!
Yeah, if you've got coax all over the house, MoCA rocks. The only drawback is that all those adapters cost a bit more, but heck... that's way easier and cheaper than pulling Ethernet cables through all the walls.
@@ScottiesTechMoCa adapters would be a much better and cleaner solution than running ethernet cables all over the house.
@@Superman-xr1oh They would be, but not all houses have existing coax running everywhere, either. In that case, Ethernet ends up being easier - and future-proof.
i found a great solution!!! i grew a pair and grabbed what tools i had, bought a $38 dollar snake camera and ran extension cords in the attic and crawl space and ran Ethernet and coax INSIDE my walls, DONE! i even i put in double fully shielded twisted pair cat6 which is good for up to 25gbps! the shielding, once grounded helps with interference! the rubber will rot off before the wires get outdated!
What do you mean by “omce grounded”? I’m wanting to hardwire a few rooms with cat8 but I’m no techy and just getting my info from UA-cam. When I think of grounded I imagine a separate wire grounded to the a separate piece of metal. But when I’m looking up videos people mention ground the cable with a piece of copper tape. Thanks In advance for any info. And YES I know cat8 is over kill but it’s a lil over $100 difference from cat6a and yes those thing that you terminate the wire with is more but that ok and I’m willing to pay that “just to say I have cat8”.
@@ridin_low193 so there is metal foil I side cat 6a and cat8 which WOULd be great but it acts as an antenna to ATTRACT interference!!! GROUNDED it SHIELDS interference! A good switch will have grounded ports BUT, you MUST have grounded RJ45 plugs! Some switches have metal around the ports but, aren't GROUNDED
This was a really structured how to and I appreciate your work.
(Correct me if i'm wrong) So, to my understanding, the way Moca works is that you connect the Moca adapter via Coax cable through your coax outlet, and connect the adapter via Ethernet cable to your modem. To get connection to your device {in a different room (i.e computer)] you use an Ethernet cable connected to another moca adapter, that is connected to a coax outlet.What I want to know is, is there way to connect hand-held devices (i.e Ipad, kindle, phone) that don't have Ethernet ports to these adapters?
Can i conect my roof antena coper cable to a repeater in side the thing, where the small repeaters antena goes.
Realistically speaking, a wired/wireless combo setup is always best for any network that includes smartphones and smart home devices that have no ethernet ports. But thanks for the advice on MoCA adapters. I think I'll buy some.
I have my PC's hooked up directly by ethernet, but my streaming devices are using powerlines. The increase in latency and slight speed loss I get via powerlines is not an issue for steaming because I have enough overhead. When I used WiFi the signal wasn't effected after installing powerlines, and radio transmissions are unaffected.
Will it work if i only get 1 moca adapter? since our internet modem is connected to one on the cable network already but is a direct tv adapter. I wanted to get one for the bedroom upstairs and connect a router to it.
I think you'd need 2 MOCA adapters, but first check with DirecTV because usually you can't use their adapters and MOCA adapters at the same time.
I live in a condo with hoa...and in the parking area I don't have acces to power line ...and I'm trying to hook up a camera I could power the cam with a battery ... I was thinking would the signal be seen by the cam . If I hook the (power line adapter) in the condo with out connecting a (power line adapter) box in the garage .because there's power lines but I don't have acces ?
Hi, my question is or I should say problem is I want to get internet to another building on my property which has cable tv and power from my house not a separate service. I have an older house which has alot of RG59 cable and I also have a booster on the cable tv I can get signal with my mesh but it's a weak signal. Could I use MOCA and plud one of my mesh pucks into that or should I go with the powerline? THANK YOU
Thank you again for reminding me to WIRE my house with Ethernet 👍🏼‼️
I love my moca it’s amazing because you add a wifi extender and still use cat 6 for Hardwiring in to Gaming console or to your smart Streaming Device
I just installed Moca 2.5 adapters and are getting gigabit speed. Version 2.5 is 2.5gigs but the adapters have 1 gig ports. The 2.5 gigs is shared by all the adapters. I am using Actiontech 6250 but there are cheaper adapters out there.
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Can you please tell me if you have to use Moca filters & how to to connect them ? Thanks
@@tataniclovely, I did not need the filters. I did have some trouble with my Xfinity cable TV boxes when I installed splitters to accommodate the MOCA adapters. I did some research and the following splitters were one of the ones recommended. GE Digital 2-Way Coaxial Cable Splitter, 4 Pack, 2.5 GHz 5-2500 MHz, RG6 Compatible, Works with HD TV, Satellite, Internet, Amplifier, Antenna, Gold Plated Connectors, Corrosion Resistant, 55288. Here is the Amazon link: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08BVVD4C8/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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I see. Thanks
So would you Say if I have to pay a company to run Ethernet if I buy Moca it’s cheaper than Ethernet in that case.
I wired my house years ago, everywhere, the plans for my new house has 2 cat 7 for almost every plug, but I also have 4 10gbe devices.
Yikes!! That's zippy.
should we use house address and car vin number in ip address to easy subscription of mobile phone and internet?
Scottie - just found your channel. Outstanding presentation, easy to understand & very thorough. I'll be looking for more!
Hey Scotty, Dirty Electricity is a real thing you know. Those signals going throgh the power cables will make the power cables emit strange frequencies and pulse modulations. Not healthy. Cat-6E or better is very well shielded, use network cables, drill holes if necessary.
I'm with you on that one. If I couldn't drill holes, I'd just route the cables neatly around rooms and through doorways. As usual, "better" is never "easier".
only if it's a shielded variant of cat 6, most is twisted pair in a plasticy sheath
@@cdoublejj Correct, Cat-6A F/UTP, Cat-6A S/FTP or Cat-6A U/FTP is shielded to be more specific.
God, THIS is the video I have been searching for!!! I finally have a reasonable grasp on this subject. 😊
Great job explaining the pros and cons! Thanks for your training class. I don't see how to eliminate the WiFi from the house. Hooking our laptops, tablets, cellphones, Ring Doorbells, Google Nest, Alexa, Wyze cameras.... Wiring is fine for my old desktop but I think wiring for the most part is becoming obsolete. What happens when we have 5G, 6G.....? I have a big box of X-10 and Insteon stuff in the basement, needs to go to the trash.
Wiring is still faster for streaming. 5G is coming but how will having everyone on 5G affect speeds? Hacking? A wired connection is not only faster but more secure. How reliable is 5G and beyond during weathering? Solar and powerwalls will also come to most homes. Wires aren't going anywhere. Fiber is replacing conventional wire and is even faster. 5G is for traveling, being mobile and for the average schmuck just browsing and watching a video here and there. Wireless devices are still planned obsolescence. Ring doorbell is dumb. Your deadbolt latch is suppose to have 3-1/2" screws to enter the stud frame which most homes don't have rather have them installed with shorter screws. Having a camera is better and longer lived and more likely to intimidate thieves which can potentially still damage your property if they attempt a break in than a ring doorbell can it's only a matter of time before they can figure out a means to know if no one is home. Smart Thermostats like nest are also dumb. You are better off checking thermal bridging and temperature leaks using a thermal camera, investing in better insulation, curtains, draft stoppers. A lot of new tech are still flops. The smart watch, for example, is more useless than it is useful as the tracking steps, heart rate monitoring systems are still inaccurate and have poor battery life. Also some research from the university of Melbourne claim that emf emitted from wifi devices adversely affects sleep quality. Obviously wireless is very useful but there are still tradeoffs and still are better used when you are out and about.
My builder ran all the network and cable wiring to an outside box near my electrical service.
Here's what I'm thinking: run power to the box to plug in a switch. The network wire from the isp modem/wifi to the switch, then out to the rest of the rooms through the already installed network wire. Will that be ok?
My cable carries all the signal to the modem/wifi unit.
Otoh, maybe a 2nd modem? Can I have more than one modem on the cable? Thats essentially what the dvr's are?
Go with your first option. Multiple modems probably won't work.
Wish I could have you come to my house and set this up for me. 😁 It’s all so confusing to me. 🤪 Thanks Scottie. ♥️
That's a great idea!!
I actually use the Netgear 2000 (for the last 2 years), and I am it's pretty good IAW my speed test. I'd rather have hardwire connected to my computer in my new basement office. But, the Powerline works well for now.
I use the Netgear Powerline 2000 and attach eeros wifi nodes.
Nice Job explaining. Thanks. If there is a power interruption, do these devices reconnect automatically?
Yes, they reconnect without you needing to do anything.
What if we dont have cable TV? We use spectrum and I have a google mesh. I prefer wired and wanted to wire my new home but the guy said he would have to do it from outside, theres really no where to hide in the wall. Unless redo the trim. that would be too much. We have coax & phone lines everywhere in the house. Sad part my phone jacks from 98' cant be reweired to Cat6. will Moca still work without cable network.
Could I add this between the first router and google router and have the moca box connect to the other wired mesh router on the second floor?
MoCA should work fine exactly as you suggested - as long as your existing coax jacks are connected together at some point in the house (like at a splitter or amplifier).
Wouldn’t these alternative approaches still result in harmful EMFs being emitted from the house’s cables? Thank you
you might as well just shut down everything in your house and rip all the copper electricity lines out if that amount of emf is "harmful" to your health, idiot.
what if my coax cable is already plugged in to my modem/router. this means i can’t plug the coax cable into my moca adapter.
Yeah, then you'd need to use ethernet if you want to go wired. OR... You could figure out where the cable internet enters the house, and make sure only that coax input is tied to the single coax jack connected to your router. Then leave the other coax jacks linked together via the splitter or whatever, and use MoCA on the remaining jacks.
I tried buying Ethernet adapters for my Wpple devices twice now. $35 each and then $33 each. Both adapter models didn’t work. I have to buy the Belkin one that is very expensive. I wired my entire house up in Ethernet (14 cables throughout the 2 story house). It took a long time. Total waste until I save up enough to buy the right expensive adapters.
Yeah, Apple gizmos are tricky. You usually have to buy the expensive model of everything (including cables/adapters). Which is why I don't have anything Apple-y.
Since the powerline hardware changes the frequency lower it loses the bandwidth. These are useful for those who don't require optimized bandwidth.
3:56 How on earth do you connect a cellphone or a tablet to a cabled ethernet switch? Am I missing something here?
otg cables for android and equivalent for ios.
cionnait better off using the cell signal
@13:55 "1Gbit connection between computers......". Yes, but only computers on that same switch, if you tranfer files from 1 pc on switch A to another pc on switch B, the speed can be less, because the i.e. 8 ports on the switch share the 1 Gbit connection through the (1)ethernet cable that connect the 2 switches.
Yeah, that's true.
How do you get power from Powerline in one circuit to another? They're not connected right? So how do they connect to each other?
You can connect each powerline adapter with Ethernet cables to your ISP router (on 2 different electrical circuits), and then the 2 different circuits will be able to get internet from the same network.
Very interesting, I have tp-link 4220 models, the problem is that they loose connection from time to time and for gaming it's not so good. I live in an 200yr+ house most of the electrical wiring we got redone, but some are still from the 70's. I've flashed them with the last firmware beta but no difference.
I'm going to go back to Ethernet (my rabbit ate through my 25m cables) hence he went to a new home in the back yard and I went for the electric plugs.
Thx
You should be a teacher, I learned so much
Ok so weird question and I can’t seem to find anyone else in my situation but I have really fast wifi, but when it comes to gaming online the connection is very unstable so obviously I want Ethernet, I can’t move my modem but it’s directly above my room, I was thinking of buying either a wifi extender to get the signal and connect an Ethernet cable to it, or using powerline, what would you recommend. The signal I get is good just need more stability.
Well your first option won't work exactly the way you think. By definition, a wifi extender is wirless. It doesn't connect to the main network with an ethernet cable. It connects to your Wi-Fi network and then creates another wifi network. If you want to use an ethernet cable to get better wifi, you want a wifi access point. You will need to run a cable from the router all the way to where you need more coverage though. Powerline adapters are hit or miss. There are MoCa adapters that work similarly to powerline devices, but they use the coaxial cabling instead of electrical wiring.
How do you actually turn off the WiFi on your box from the provider? Thanks!
You should be able to log into the router to access options. Google how to do this for the specific model or provider. For example, most Netgear routers use routerlogin.net to access options.
Once you log in, you should have access to options like changing the network’s name, password, and whether wireless is on or off. Contact your ISP to see if you can get login options from them.
Also consider buying your own router. Most ISPs will (sometimes begrudgingly) allow you to use your own modem and router rather than rent one from them. It’s expensive up front (~$40-60 for a modem, ~$75-100 for a good router), but you will fully own your equipment and you won’t have to pay your ISP an extra fee every month to rent equipment. Then you can do whatever you want with it.
My question is latency. I am really concerned about ping. I do very competitive gaming. I need the lowest ping possible. I currently have MoCA, and I get about the same ping I got with my 5 GHz network. Would you suggest power line for better ping, or does it really depend on the house?
Ethernet will give you the fastest ping. You MIGHT also get ping times that are as fast as Ethernet with MoCA or even WiFi, but it depends... You'd have to test to know for sure. Generally speaking tho, gamers go for Ethernet + the fastest net connection available.
Can you tell how you will do it in an apartment.
Hi, what's the best CAT cables to use? My TP Link AV1000 keeps dropping out. I'm using Cat 5e - should I be using 6? Thanks.
You might get gigabit with Cat 5e. Windows will tell you. Search for "ethernet settings", and if it says 1000 Mbps, you're all set. If not, get a Cat 6 or 6a cable.
Can I use a COAX to RJ45 adapter for my new router. Old Verizon system used Coax for ethernet, new router uses RJ45 Ethernet.
I tried to use powerline to get internet to my garage space but it’s a distance from the house, and even though it’s on the same circuit it wouldn’t connect, any thoughts ?
That's one of the drawbacks. Distance between powerline gizmos is a factor. The farther apart they are, the more intereference and signal degradation you get (more or less). I just ran an ethernet cable to my garage. Then I tell people my garage is internet-enabled, and they look at me like I'm crazy. Which is nice... and probably true.
I have a question? I live in a remote area and the bandwidth available, when its available, is minimal. We have Century Link here but I have to wait for someone to move to get access to the internet (I live on an Island) I have been using my hotspot on my cell phone but because I am EMF sensitive I use it as minimal as possible. I have been looking into the satellite companies (Starlink today) and wonder if it can be hardwired if I have it installed in my guest house? I would then like to run an ethernet cable to my house?
Alright I have bad lag spikes and I want to be a competitive gamer but my internet is keeping me from it I will be able to get an actual Ethernet cable in 4 months long story but I need better internet now so do you think I should buy that or is there anything else I could do and I can’t drill holes in my house because my parents would kill me
Well, the first thing to know is the quality of your overall internet connection. If you go to speedtest.net, it will tell you upload/download speed, but also Ping time. With DSL, my ping is 26ms. If your net connection is crappy, you might see much high ping times, like hundreds of milliseconds. If that's the case, then your net connection is just not very good. BUT, it IS also possible that your WiFi is pokey, so then an Ethernet connection would be better in that case. You just have to test it out and see. If you can't drill holes, then you'd have to do the cable routing tricks (hotglue to baseboards, between carpet and wall if possible, etc). It's pretty time-consuming, but it can be done in a non-permanent and relatively appealing way. It might be worth doing a test with another laptop or something - like run the speedtest and check ping times with lappy over WiFi, and then with very short Ethernet cable. If that's possible... That would at least tell you if the Ethernet cable will give any benefit before you buy and route a super-long cable. Well, hope that helps, and good luck!
No when I first moved in it was about 20 but other people are here for about another 2 months and it’s about high 20 or really low 30 but it’s just that the lag spikes out it to 300 randomly and it’s very annoying it happens about once every minute or 2
And some people are telling me to buy this thing to plug into the wall and then my Ethernet cable in it it’s so that the Ethernet cable doesn’t have to be in the router do you think it would help lag spikes because I’m going to be able to plug an Ethernet cable in 2 months but I’m a competitive gamer and I need good internet connection really soon so I can get some money off the game but I can’t do that with bad ping it’s such a disadvantage 😕
Never mind I’m dumb just don’t worry about the other message
@@typicaltx4117 Hmm... Yeah, you could try the ethernet-over-powerline adapters. The question is: are the lags coming from WiFi (or your home network somehow), or is your home internet connection itself lagging over 2 minutes for some reason?
I’m trying to also get a different provider and speaking with them is very difficult. Attempting to explain that I don’t want wifi, and want to use my own equipment
Oh yeah, that's always fun. What I do is find somebody who has the same service, then go look at their router (or ask them to look at it) and tell me if it's easy to turn off the WiFi (hopefully there's a simple button on the ISP's router). Then I order service, and I stick my own custom router between the ISP's box and my home network. That way, I don't have to futz with or really replace the ISP's stuff - I just use it like a modem. Well, there's a learning curve there, for sure!
hey scottie, I wired up via moca/cable ethernet wires. question is, I’m using a modem/router with wifi, so does hardwiting actually eliminate the wifi, & only make it active “on demand”,? or is it still emitting wifi throughout my home?
You have to actually turn off the WiFi in your modem/router. If there's no physical button, then you can prolly do it via the modem/router's web config. Your ISP's site will prolly have instructions on how to do that.
Hi Scotty I have been without wifi for a few years and it’s been fantastic. I actually have an unrelated question. Could you recommend a 2 way radio that I can purchase to just have, plus my12 yr old boy also would be using. I don’t want any surveillance tech in them. Any thoughts? Thank you
I have 4 of these: Motorola T600 (amzn.to/2Pw8G21). Long battery life, relatively secure, no spy stuff, and good range (2 miles in town, 6 miles in open areas with line of sight). And they're waterproof!
My problem is that my router only has 4 ethernet ports and 2 are for solar and 1 phone portis for the house phone but my computer and ps4 is upstairs
When you turn on WiFi, an iPhone stops using your cellular data. Does it do the same when you plug it in to an ethernet cable? Is there a setting you have to change? Thanks for any tips.
Yup. Generally speaking, when any smartphone is connected to WiFi or Ethernet, it will use that data connection instead of the cellular data.
Awesome explanation, Thank you for your contribution and for your time in creating these valuable videos for us. Keep it going please. You're the best.
Scottie, I’m in an apartment. Do I need a landline phone to have hard wire cable Ethernet/ internet? Thanks. Great info!
Nope. However you get internet access, they'll give you some kind of router/box that should have ethernet ports on the back. You might also have phone service via this "box", but all of that is totally separate from an actual landline phone.
Do I need to have a cable provider to use the MOCA adapter? We have cut the cord. Thanks
i have a really bad internet connection. My router is in the basement and I'm on the second floor. so i was wondering if I could use the coax cable in my parent's room and connect it to the moca adapter and then run the ethernet into my computer. Now the problem is that ive seen on other videos and reviews where some will say you need two moca adapters. one to plug into the router downstairs and one to plug into the coax cable. But since my parents already use it for cable wouldn't it be already connected? The other reviews say you only need one and that is the one plugged into the coax cable in my parent's room. I've checked for adaptability with my router like i saw someone say to look for and it doesn't have it. Should i get two or one moca adapters?
You'd need 2 adapters - one for the router Ethernet connection, and the other between your puter and coax jack upstairs. The only potential problem is that not all services work with MOCA. In other words, if the coax is just carrying a signal from a TV antenna or normal cable TV, then you can use MOCA to send data over the coax. But if the coax is being used for services like DirecTV or other satellite TV, then you can't use MOCA adapters at the same time on the same coax cable. As usual, it's complicated!
I purchased 2 powelines adaptops and 2 switches. Buy only one device get internet. Do I have to use a modem for this? or different switches (unmanaged).
How do you have it all hooked up?
@@ScottiesTech thanks for your reply.
Powerline adapter(netgear 2000) to the wall connected to the modem. Since the powerline adapter has 2 ethernet ports the other one is connected to a switch( tp-link TL-SG105). I have about 4 devices connected to the switch but only my smart TV get internet. The reason im doing the powerline adapters is to stay away from RF. do you have other options?
@@migueljimenez5295 Hmm... As far as I know, the way you connected everything should work just fine. I'm not sure what the problem is. I'm guessing it's the powerline adapters that are somehow interfering with DHCP or something. Are you sure the powerline adapters are strictly passive and not going any networking nonsense at a software level? Sometimes they're configurable... That's the only thing I can think of!
@@ScottiesTech thank you so much for your response. Im going to mess with it more if not I will try the MoCa. I really appreciate your help sir!
@@migueljimenez5295 Let me know what happens!
Can you plug more than a pair of Powerline Adapters in a circuit? If so, why can't you just split the lan cable to multiple device, instead of using a switch?
Ethernet is a point-to-point connection. Each device has it's own IP address, and something needs to route data from one address to another. That's the short version! It is possible to do crazy things, though, like you could install 2 Ethernet adapters in a computer and use 1 Ethernet jack for connection to the internet, and then other jack could be used to wire up a second device for net access. In that case, the computer with 2 Ethernet ports becomes the gateway to the internet for the 2nd device. But normally, it's just easier and simpler to use switches.
@@ScottiesTech thanks for the answer! Question was more about: can you plug more than 2 Powerline Adapters in a circuit? Would that work? (Given that ethernet does not work with more than 2 devices on the line)
@@jaraics Oh. Yes, you can usually pair several adapters to make 1 network.
Interesting topic. I have 2 story house, modem/router is downstairs, xbox/laptop upstairs. Direcrly above one another. I only need 1 hardwired connection upstairs, instead of wifi. Coaxial MoCa 2.0 sounds interesting, but I should probably just call a company to install 1 and done ethernet jack through the wall. The powerline ethernet sounds like a no-go since I have whole house surge protection.
I am thinking on getting a pair of powerline adapters for a computer. I'm not as interested in speed as I am for the constant signal (acceptable latency, no micro interruptions as I have with wifi). So, basically signal stability. Do you think Porwerline Networking accomplishes that?
With the advent of short circuit fault power line breakers, how well does this ethernet solution play with those breakers? Depends on the manufacture of the breaker, the few I have researched monitor the power line for 1 MHz, assuming that is one of the frequencies which will be present should a short circuit occur. Seems to me all it would take is a resonance of 1 MHz from the powerline ethernet and the breaker will trip. What are your thoughts on this?
Ah yes, that's another "gotcha" that I forgot to mention: powerline ethernet does NOT play nicely with AFCI breakers!!
Great explanation and insight. As a ham radio operator, you convinced me to stay away from powerline networking.
Installed a pair of these in my house today and it was only 24mbps at the spot I needed it, which was 4x slower than the Wi-Fi in that location. Nowhere near the rated 2000mbps. Will I get better speeds if I install more of them?
Yeah - as with WiFi, you only ever get max speed with MoCA under ideal conditions. Another reason to love Ethernet!
Can I use moca adapter with Comcast in California
Powerline ethernet seems to be my only option as of now, is it the same speed or slightly better than wifi? If it's going to be slower than wifi then I won't get it, but as long as it's the same speed or faster than wifi I don't mind getting it, you reply is appreciated
Powerline networking should end up being faster than most WiFi out there. Just make sure it supports speeds of at least 1Gbps.
Does this only work if your sockets are all on the same ring?
Replacing wifi with powerline adapters is like removing the antenna inside your house to turn the whole house into an antenna.
Does this mean all the wiring in your house now become antenna? You got a like from this channel, makes me think he didn’t understand your comment.
These powerline adaptors send the data signal (you are getting from your internet provider), and then encodes it as a digital frequency that shouldn't interfere with your home's electrical system, and then each powerline box will be able to receive that encoded signal (as long as they are plugged into a working power outlet and linked beforehand to the main transmitter box... you do this by pushing the link button on each box within 30-60 seconds of each other,). Btw, you shouldn't plug these powerline adaptors into a power/surge bar, because the circuitry inside the power bar could interfere with the encoded data stream. For best results, each powerline box needs to be plugged directly into a wall outlet. With that said, are powerline adaptors better than a good wifi router? Sometimes. Are they better than a wired ethernet cable? Nope.
@@CoroaEntertainment some powerlines also have wifi are they good or should i buy one and buy one other rooter and connect it tou the power line for wifi
You are brilliant brother! Thank you for the alternative options.
we encrypt data so that 5 mb song could wraped in 5 bytes x64 bits so bandwith is plenty. only need buffering at receiver to unwrap the data with onluly few seconds after nano second transmited
How are you going to run a crypto mine if that smart fridge isn't wired into the network?
Thanks for making this video! I can’t hardwire internet and I don’t have coax, so I get the power adapter Ethernet or just stick to WiFi?
In your case, I'd use powerline ethernet.
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Hi bro. Can you please tell me if I have to use Moca filters or how to connect them ? Or can you please make a video to show us how to install Moca adapters ? Thanks
Hello mate
Merry Xmass and all the best
In regards to a previous video you made about connectors ...
I am totally and utterly lost ....I need to connect a Fudjitsu Siemens monitor with a DVI D input to a MacBook air Via usb 3.0 port ....I have looked all over the internet and just can't seem to find the adapter I need
I have a thunderbolt 2 in which I have another monitor, I use a VGA to a mini display port adapter to connect it ....If the first option doesn't work ( DVI D to usb 3.0 adapter ) what do I need to get to connect both monitors via the mini display port ?
Your expert opinion will be much appreciated
I need it for my work and my workflow suffers a great deal without this extra monitor ....peace
With D-Link Powerline adapters I got 36Mbps. Thank god for Amazon's return policy. D-Link and other vendors should set more reasonable expectations. I get 720Mbps wired and 540Mbps wireless from my SBG7600. The D-Link connected to the modem manages 450Mbps. The remote unit is slower than the WiFi at that range.
To be fair to the EOP side, all network devices tell you that your throughput will vary based on materials and network traffic, wired or not. It would be more disingenuous to exclude the disclaimer.
im confused sorry im new at this. does that mean any power outlets?
Any power outlets that are on the same phase. If you're in N. America, then all the power outlets in your place are divided into 2 phases or 'legs'. Think of phases like 2 different Big Circuits: Each phase has multiple breakers on it, so you can send internet from any outlet on any of those circuits to any other. If you're in Most of the Rest of World, then you either have single phase 230V, or 3-phase. If single phase, then you can just use any outlet to send internet to any other outlet. If 3-phase, then it's like N. America, except all your outlets are separated into 3 Big Circuits, not just 2. Well, easiest way is to just test! If the MoCA adapters don't work, stick one in a nearby outlet/room, and then you'll probably find it works.
@@ScottiesTech Thank you!
If the power line WiFi is on the same power circuit, it works fine but if you have it on a different power circuit, no good.
The HomePlug flavor is only supposed to require a common neutral. Other flavors of Powerline ethernet may vary (there are a bunch). One of them needs common live, neutral, and ground as you say... and it's also more reliable and zippier. It gets hairy, which is one good reason why I just go with plain old ethernet!
How can one know if they're on "the same circuit?"
Thank you.
@@MMAFightMagazine Turn the circuit breaker for that circuit off (have to figure it out by trial and error if not labeled properly). Then, see what works and what doesn't. Yeah, I know, that's ridiculous... but, that's electrical wiring for ya!
If you are having a signal problem because the two powerline adapters are not on the same circuit (bus) in your main electrical panel, just go into your electrical panel and swap one of those circuit breakers with another that is on the other bus.
thank you so much Scotty! i have a question about EMF emission. does running Moca still emit lots of EMF? is it a healthier alternative over powerline?
MoCA is generally much better on that front since coax cable is designed in such a way that its emissions are usually very, very low. So, I'd say it's the best option after Ethernet.
My question is what brand is Best Buy for moca?
Can I directly connect it too the circuit breaker box with rj45 to reach the entire connection..I'm researching it for newer innovation on grid tied solar inverter...where on the inverter side it's internally connected to it's AC cable 100 meters away or on the rooftop..to monitor daily solar yield..since these micro inverters can be daisy chained via the AC cable..this means the newer prototypes of home cables..for futuristic Omega homes design..where the roof are calculated for optimal photovoltaic tilt throughout the year..from it's coordinates..it's better if it was tested on the Saharan desert power houses...to power the World Project..
Hmm... That's a great question! As long as both adapters are connected to the same AC circuit, it might just work. Hopefully, the inverters' output isn't noisy!
@@ScottiesTech ..but it's not invented yet.. but if they did exist..it just need the internet to update it's yield..during the daylight..not for gaming or other high bandwidth data.. for the moment..you mean it can't cross 2 curcuit breakers?
@@surenbono6063 It just has to be on the same phase (if you have 3-phase or split-phase like N. America). Otherwise, it should work - I think.
@@ScottiesTech ..what do you recommend if I were to rewire my AC cable in my house so that I could control/monitor all devices via the network.. like what kind of AC cabling suit this activity..is it coax twisted AC or something similar..?
The cons for MoCA in this video were very trivial, it's mainly a cost factor. But you have to decide what's more important, price or convenience. I'd rather choose convenience vs running ethernet cables all over the place and gluing them to the floor board.
The sight of running ethernet cables, tacking/gluing them to the floorboard or ceiling would look extremely tacky in my opinion. Nobody likes the sight of seeing wires all over the place.
Yeah Scottie if you could come to my home and hook me up to all of this it would be lovely. All of these cables and cords wow.😄Thanks a bunch.
You forgot about the cost of wall work of running ethernet.
It's way easier to wire your whole house with ethernet than it appears : Most load bearing walls are cavity walls (brick & mortar houses), run your wires up there & through the ceiling, then down into each room - done in a couple of hours max if you plan well. That's your best option - couple it with a fibre optic internet connection to your house instead of wireless internet, and a good quality router. MoCa's not viable in my neck of the woods with sat tv using coax already. Power line is useful for traveling connections.
Running inside wire is becoming a lot art...alas. As a telephone installer in a past life, I can tell you it takes a wide variety of experience with different building types (residential, commercial, city and suburban) to gain a good skill for it. I wholeheartedly agree hard wire is surely the best approach to networking. Anybody who is not handy and considering it, should see if they can find an experienced electrician or retired telephone installer to do the job in a neat, workmanlike way with wires fished and hidden as much as is possible. It's not that hard if you know the tricks of the trade.
You must be from NA....in EU, walls are concrete or something likes bricks. Not hollow.
@@Guust_Flater From South Africa : Most houses are built with solid clay bricks & cement - the cavity isn't inside the clay brick - it's between two walls of single bricks, together forming a double cavity wall for outside, and inside load-bearing, walls - very useful for wiring (usually put in narrow pvc piping before finishing the top part of the walls).
There are some here and there that uses cement bricks, that itself are hollow, but double the size. Clay brick is the preferred way though.
I bought some TPlink powerline adapters in April, and it wasn't until this week I was able to test. Return window closed in May, and I only get 20mbps of my 500. Ugh.
Thanks Scottie. Watched both videos on switching from WiFi to wired connections. I know how to run cable and will use the ethernet cables with the switch boxes. The back of my Verizon Fios G1100 router has 4 ethernet ports.
I know this sounds like a dumb question,
but will my router automatically stop sending out WiFi signals when I plug in ethernet cables (and turn off WiFi on all my devices)?
Currently, I "airplane mode" all my devices and disconnect the power to the WiFi router every evening so that my sleep is no longer interrupted by the WiFi signal (deep sleep has gone from 6 mins to > 60 mins ).
Thanks for any input before I buy my supplies!
Would this work or is there a simple "off" button for WiFi? ....
FiOS Quantum Gateway
Log into admin GUI on Web by entering 192.168.1.1 or myfiosgateway.com in the browser address bar
Enter your admin username and password. If this is your first login, you will be asked to change username, password and timezone
Click on Wireless Settings
Click on Basic Security Settings
Next to Wireless under section 1, select Off for both 2.4GHz and 5GHz
Click on Apply
In the UK we use ring mains for our electrical cables, I'm under the assumption that they are independent of each other and will not suit the power line Ethernet adapters, lets say between floors (circuits)
Have they improved these days??
They should work. The newest powerline adapters apparently use the neutral wire as the "signal" line. So, even through different circuits or even across different phases, they still work. That's way better than many years ago when I tried a pair of the things and you had to be on the same breaker. The only restrictions nowadays seem to be: no power strips, no battery backups, no extension cords. It's best to plug them directly into a wall outlet (you could probably get away with an extension cord, tho).
@@ScottiesTech That sounds a whole better than what I thought, I shall now look into this as an option, thanks so much Scottie
@@LiamRoberts00 This creates dirty electricity, not good for your health. Run network cables.
@@LiamRoberts00 Hey Scotty, Dirty Electricity is a real thing you know. Those signals going throgh the power cables will make the power cables emit strange frequencies and pulse modulations. Not healthy. Cat-6E or better is very well shielded, use network cables, drill holes if necessary.
@@hootsmin Yes thanks very much...I am aware of this and spent some time recently looking into buying an EMF-RF sensor device to scan my house and surrounding areas, I do have an interest in protecting people and feel that one day I may help people reduce the amount of frequencies in a given space, it would be great to know of Scottie's opinion on some of these devices, personally I was looking within the £150 price rang but then soon learnt that £1800 on was more realistic when it comes to these tools, Liam.
why would my wired connection be worse than my WiFi? what could be the issue
Hmm... Could be:
1. Bad Ethernet cables - maybe smushed, broken, or untwisted wires inside cable
2. Bad Ethernet switch
3. Need new driver for Ethernet (this one is pretty rare these days!)
ScottiesTech.Info in a video game I constantly freeze, skip, almost like half the data is being lost.
You dont need to run ethernet for phone and tablets. Good video never the less
So if I do hardwire that means I must use ethernet cable to connect to my computer or phone?
You can, or you can use both Ethernet & Wi-Fi at the same time.
I couldn't get _powerline ethernet_ adaptors to work. It was very disappointing since l live abroad and brought them here.
What do your know about 5G?
I got some vids on that! See: ua-cam.com/video/h-qzqOhDc_0/v-deo.html
well done, quite knowledgeable, factual, helped me understand those options ! thanks
I really need to check my privilege, because I complain about my Wi-Fi speeds when there are people out there who have terrible Wi-Fi along with Godzilla and Gamera fighting near their matchstick house.
We are very fortunate compared!!
In the immortal words of James T. Kirk, "no more, blah, blah, blah!" ( Miri episode ? even if I knew I wouldn't say) Love the tribble.
I'm confused, I get the switch solution, but why would you run ethernet to phones and tablets. They are designed to be wireless, not sure there are many homes with the needs for multiple switches.
Because you might not want much wireless after this: ua-cam.com/video/h-qzqOhDc_0/v-deo.html
I have MoCA 2.0 right now works great I don’t think coax puts off rf like Powerline does if so please let me know I know that a certain Company is releasing true MoCA 2.5 at the end of January that will put out true 2.5 gigabit speeds through real 2.5 Enthernet ports it will go to amazon at the end of January
Yup, coax is WAAAY better for RF. I'm still waiting for 2.5 and 5Gbps ethernet. I know it's out there, but it's not exactly common yet.
So what is worse, Wi-Fi radiation or Powerline Networking adapter radiation (assuming, worrying about such is your thing)
Personally I'm into radio, and anything that adds radiated crud to my house is a problem.
Well, that's the question... I'd avoid WiFi and GHz-frequency+ stuff more than the lower-frequency powerline networking EMF. At the same time, there's a whole other branch of EMF exposure research that indicates that capacitive coupling from 50 or 60Hz electrical wiring alone can have pretty nasty effects on at least some people out there.
Hi Scotty, I love you show, so much useful information and it's always better when you can get it from a reliable source. I was wondering if you have investigated weather or not the power line attachments create "dirty electricity"?
I would bet a large sum of money that they do!
next step is substation support network filter that could held wind and rain for city