One of the biggest scam these days is to conduct a 'study' of something environmental and make a claim it is in great danger - then you can apply for a grant and 'save' it. What great way to create a life long job for yourself.
I genuinely believe future generations will look back at this as the age of complete conspiracy madness. "Literally as millions died around the world from a pandemic large parts of the public shared stories about how hospitals are fraudulently miscategorizing deaths to create the pandemic, and how NASA and physicists all over the world were in collusion to lie about the existence of a planetary greenhouse effect - half a century after the greenhouse effect had begun being routinely monitored by satellite instruments."
Looks like you site has great content , Klimarealistene. Looking forward to exploring it. Sick of the Mann "hide the decline" "climate change due to CO2" bullshit.
Sample comment that captures poor logic here - "let's talk about whether corals like warm weather - well of course they do, you do not go to Norway to find coral reefs." *This* is the kind of argument that is supposed to establish that heat bleaching - which can literally be reproduced in the lab - is not real, and the directly observed escalating rounds of mass coral mortality isn't actually happening? The very fact that you are talking about coral preferring a certain climate means you are *acknowledging they have thermal ranges they prefer*. Ridd is trying to pretend that if there are temps too cool for coral, there are therefore no temps too hot for them. The failure in logic is right there, in plain sight, and his commentary is riddled with them. You do not even need to study the published peer review literature to see why that is wrong - and of course if you do study it, you find out he's wrong in even more ways. But it highlights the power of political desire. Because Ridd markets a set of conclusions that are desperately wanted (he is famous mainly for accusing his colleagues of fraud, without being able to back it up), he has been catapulted to celebrity status, despite not having made significant contributions in the peer review literature on the issues relevant to his claims. That those spreading his words so easily overlook the obvious logic errors like this just further underscores that Ridd's popularity seems to stem from political desires, not scientific merit. Please, consider scientific information from scientific sources such as the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, or the Australian Institute of Marine Sciences, or the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. www.aims.gov.au/news-and-media/high-temperatures-add-more-stress-australias-great-barrier-reef If you are interested in selections from the peer review literature about the impact of ocean warming on coral reefs and heat stress-driven bleaching, see my reply below.
Geoff Price moron. This is Professor Peter Ridd recently of James Cook University, a 35 year veteran of studying the GBR. He was fired for calling the uni into disrepute for daring to question their shoddy peer review processes. Your confirmation bias is glaringly obvious.
@@plomdenume5082 Confirmation bias is about believing what you want to believe. You say you believe Ridd because he is an expert - but that's appeal to authority fallacy - the overwhelming balance of experts all over the world disagree with him. And like Ridd, you focus on insults vs. logic. It all strongly suggests your opinion is not evidence-driven, i.e. reflects confirmation bias. I question him based on clear misstatements like the above and the lack of evidence supporting his points, compared with the endless evidence of heat bleaching that has been published - I'll post some below. At the end of the day, what Ridd is really famous for is calling other scientists frauds - and not being able to back it up. There are just a lot of people who want to believe science is fraudulent these days. (Look at covid-19. How are *those* claims of "fraud" working out so far?) Ridd's page on James Cook University read "Peter Ridd raises almost all of his research funds from the profits of consultancy work which is usually associated with monitoring of marine dredging operation". He is financially supported by The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), a group funded by mining magnate Gina Rinehart and known for opposing policy actions on climate change. His fame was aided by slick PR materials developed with funding from the Koch Foundation, ExxonMobil, and Donors Trust. --- Samples from peer review literature, all reflecting findings that are continually independently reproduced by different scientific teams around the world: Glynn 1992, "Coral reef bleaching: ecological perspectives" "Published records of coral reef bleaching events from 1870 to the present suggest that the frequency (60 major events from 1979 to 1990), scale (co-occurrence in many coral reef regions and often over the bathymetric depth range of corals) and severity (>95% mortality in some areas) of recent bleaching disturbances are unprecedented in the scientific literature" link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00303779 Jones et al 1998, "Temperature-induced bleaching of corals begins with impairment of the CO2 fixation mechanism in zooxanthellae" "The early effects of heat stress on the photosynthesis of symbiotic dinoflagellates (zooxanthellae) within the tissues of a reef-building coral were examined using pulse-amplitude-modulated (PAM) chlorophyll fluorescence and photorespirometry" onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-3040.1998.00345.x/full Berkelmans et al 2004, "A comparison of the 1998 and 2002 coral bleaching events on the Great Barrier Reef: spatial correlation, patterns, and predictions" "Since 1979, the number, scale, and intensity of reported coral bleaching events has grown dramatically and this trend has been linked to climate change… results suggest that coral reefs are profoundly sensitive to even modest increases in temperature and, in the absence of acclimatization/adaptation, are likely to suffer large declines under mid-range International Panel for Climate Change predictions by 2050" link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00338-003-0353-y Donner et al 2005, "Global assessment of coral bleaching and required rates of adaptation under climate change" "The results indicate that bleaching could become an annual or biannual event for the vast majority of the world's coral reefs in the next 30-50 years without an increase in thermal tolerance of 0.2-1.0°C per decade" onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2005.01073.x/full Eakin et al 2010, "Caribbean Corals in Crisis: Record Thermal Stress, Bleaching, and Mortality in 2005" "Collaborators from 22 countries undertook the most comprehensive documentation of basin-scale bleaching to date and found that over 80% of corals bleached and over 40% died at many sites… Thermal stress during the 2005 event exceeded any observed from the Caribbean in the prior 20 years, and regionally-averaged temperatures were the warmest in over 150 years. Comparison of satellite data against field surveys demonstrated a significant predictive relationship between accumulated heat stress (measured using NOAA Coral Reef Watch's Degree Heating Weeks) and bleaching intensity" journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0013969 Kiessling et al., 2012 "Equatorial decline of reef corals during the last Pleistocene interglacial" "Latitudinal diversity patterns are characterized by a tropical plateau today but were characterized by a pronounced equatorial trough during the LIG. This trough is governed by substantial range shifts away from the equator… The equatorial retractions are surprisingly strong given that only small temperature changes have been reported in the LIG tropics." www.pnas.org/content/109/52/21378.abstract Roff et al 2012, "Palaeoecological evidence of a historical collapse of corals at Pelorus Island, inshore Great Barrier Reef, following European settlement" "our results indicate remarkable long-term stability in coral community structure over centennial scales" rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1750/20122100 Hoegh-Guldberg 2012, "The adaptation of coral reefs to climate change: Is the Red Queen being outpaced?" "Coral reefs have enormous value in terms of biodiversity and the ecosystem goods and services that they provide to hundreds of millions of people around the world. These important ecosystems are facing rapidly increasing pressure from climate change, particularly ocean warming and acidification. A centrally important question is whether reefbuilding corals and the ecosystems they build will be able to acclimate, adapt, or migrate in response to rapid anthropogenic climate change. This issue is explored in the context of the current environmental change, which is largely unprecedented in rate and scale and which are exceeding the capacity of coral reef ecosystems to maintain their contribution to human wellbeing through evolutionary and ecological processes. On the balance of evidence, the ‘Red Queen’ (an analogy previously used by evolutionary biologists) is clearly being ‘left in the dust’ with evolutionary processes that are largely unable to maintain the status quo of coral reef ecosystems under the current high rates of anthropogenic climate change." scientiamarina.revistas.csic.es/index.php/scientiamarina/article/viewArticle/1352 Heron et al 2015, "Validation of Reef-Scale Thermal Stress Satellite Products for Coral Bleaching Monitoring" "model based on thermal stress and generic richness that explained 97% of the variance in observed bleaching" cnmicoralreef.com/uploads/cnmi/Images%20and%20documents%20for%20individual%20pages/Heron%20et%20al_2016_Validation%20of%20Reef-Scale%20Thermal%20Stress%20Satellie%20Products%20for%20Coral%20Bleaching%20Monitoring_Remote%20Sensing.pdf Manzello 2015, "Rapid Recent Warming of Coral Reefs in the Florida Keys" "data show that thermal stress is increasing and occurring on a near-annual basis on Florida Keys reefs due to ocean warming from climate change." www.nature.com/articles/srep16762 Albright et al 2016 "Reversal of ocean acidification enhances net coral reef calcification" "We found that when ocean chemistry is restored closer to pre-industrial conditions, the reef calcifies more quickly. These results provide evidence that the ocean acidification caused by our carbon dioxide emissions is already slowing coral reef growth." dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/OneTreePress/OneTreePressInfo.html Bay et al 2017, "Genomic models predict successful coral adaptation if future ocean warming rates are reduced" "Under more severe scenarios, RCP6.0 and RCP8.5, adaptation was not rapid enough to prevent extinction." advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/11/e1701413 Lough et al 2018, "Increasing thermal stress for tropical coral reefs: 1871-2017" "Tropical corals live close to their upper thermal limit making them vulnerable to unusually warm summer sea temperatures… We examine the historical level of stress for 100 coral reef locations with robust bleaching histories. The level of thermal stress (based on a degree heating month index, DHMI) at these locations during the 2015-2016 El Niño was unprecedented over the period 1871-2017 and exceeded that of the strong 1997-1998 El Niño… Effectively, reefs of the future will not be the same as those of the past." www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24530-9 Hughes et al 2019, "Global warming impairs stock-recruitment dynamics of corals" "As a consequence of mass mortality of adult brood stock in 2016 and 2017 owing to heat stress, the amount of larval recruitment declined in 2018 by 89% compared to historical levels. For the first time, brooding pocilloporids replaced spawning acroporids as the dominant taxon in the depleted recruitment pool. The collapse in stock-recruitment relationships indicates that the low resistance of adult brood stocks to repeated episodes of coral bleaching is inexorably tied to an impaired capacity for recovery, which highlights the multifaceted processes that underlie the global decline of coral reefs." www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1081-y
@@plomdenume5082 Hear this prediction a lot from (super partisan) science critics, indeed have heard it for a couple of decades, but reality keeps reinforcing science. What's happening right now on the reef, as we speak? 'Since March 16, a team of scientists have flown above 344,000 square kilometers - over 130,000 square miles - surveying more than 800 individual reefs, in order to measure the extent and severity of coral bleaching. According to their observations, the worst bleaching was seen on reefs that "suffered the highest heat stress this summer," which accounted for "large areas of the Reef."' ... According to the ARC Centre, climate change is the "single greatest challenge to the Reef."' www.cbsnews.com/news/great-barrier-reef-mass-coral-bleaching-heat-stress-climate-change/
Nowhere did he say that bleaching doesn't happen. Talk about taking things out of context!!! He did not say bleaching is not real. You should be ashamed of yourself for twisting what is being presented.
Peter is a priceless asset !!! Support him and share his work, please.
One of the biggest scam these days is to conduct a 'study' of something environmental and make a claim it is in great danger - then you can apply for a grant and 'save' it. What great way to create a life long job for yourself.
That could be it, Kevin. The fact that alot of people will also lose alot of freedom and money is just a coincidence?
I genuinely believe future generations will look back at this as the age of complete conspiracy madness.
"Literally as millions died around the world from a pandemic large parts of the public shared stories about how hospitals are fraudulently miscategorizing deaths to create the pandemic, and how NASA and physicists all over the world were in collusion to lie about the existence of a planetary greenhouse effect - half a century after the greenhouse effect had begun being routinely monitored by satellite instruments."
excellent presentation,,
Wonderful educational lecture!
Mann still havent presented the dataset that made his hockeystick, not even when a judge asked!
Brilliant info!
Excellent talk.
Looks like you site has great content , Klimarealistene.
Looking forward to exploring it.
Sick of the Mann "hide the decline" "climate change due to CO2" bullshit.
Green Island’s reef is a mess, it’s covered in algae. I think it is from the nutrients coming from the island’s poor sewage treatment.
Yeah green Island is a joke and nothing like it was when I was kid living in Cairns in the 80's. The specific cause of that would be good to know.
Sample comment that captures poor logic here - "let's talk about whether corals like warm weather - well of course they do, you do not go to Norway to find coral reefs." *This* is the kind of argument that is supposed to establish that heat bleaching - which can literally be reproduced in the lab - is not real, and the directly observed escalating rounds of mass coral mortality isn't actually happening?
The very fact that you are talking about coral preferring a certain climate means you are *acknowledging they have thermal ranges they prefer*. Ridd is trying to pretend that if there are temps too cool for coral, there are therefore no temps too hot for them.
The failure in logic is right there, in plain sight, and his commentary is riddled with them. You do not even need to study the published peer review literature to see why that is wrong - and of course if you do study it, you find out he's wrong in even more ways. But it highlights the power of political desire. Because Ridd markets a set of conclusions that are desperately wanted (he is famous mainly for accusing his colleagues of fraud, without being able to back it up), he has been catapulted to celebrity status, despite not having made significant contributions in the peer review literature on the issues relevant to his claims. That those spreading his words so easily overlook the obvious logic errors like this just further underscores that Ridd's popularity seems to stem from political desires, not scientific merit.
Please, consider scientific information from scientific sources such as the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, or the Australian Institute of Marine Sciences, or the U.S. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
www.aims.gov.au/news-and-media/high-temperatures-add-more-stress-australias-great-barrier-reef
If you are interested in selections from the peer review literature about the impact of ocean warming on coral reefs and heat stress-driven bleaching, see my reply below.
Geoff Price moron. This is Professor Peter Ridd recently of James Cook University, a 35 year veteran of studying the GBR. He was fired for calling the uni into disrepute for daring to question their shoddy peer review processes. Your confirmation bias is glaringly obvious.
@@plomdenume5082 Confirmation bias is about believing what you want to believe. You say you believe Ridd because he is an expert - but that's appeal to authority fallacy - the overwhelming balance of experts all over the world disagree with him. And like Ridd, you focus on insults vs. logic. It all strongly suggests your opinion is not evidence-driven, i.e. reflects confirmation bias.
I question him based on clear misstatements like the above and the lack of evidence supporting his points, compared with the endless evidence of heat bleaching that has been published - I'll post some below.
At the end of the day, what Ridd is really famous for is calling other scientists frauds - and not being able to back it up. There are just a lot of people who want to believe science is fraudulent these days. (Look at covid-19. How are *those* claims of "fraud" working out so far?)
Ridd's page on James Cook University read "Peter Ridd raises almost all of his research funds from the profits of consultancy work which is usually associated with monitoring of marine dredging operation". He is financially supported by The Institute of Public Affairs (IPA), a group funded by mining magnate Gina Rinehart and known for opposing policy actions on climate change. His fame was aided by slick PR materials developed with funding from the Koch Foundation, ExxonMobil, and Donors Trust.
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Samples from peer review literature, all reflecting findings that are continually independently reproduced by different scientific teams around the world:
Glynn 1992, "Coral reef bleaching: ecological perspectives"
"Published records of coral reef bleaching events from 1870 to the present suggest that the frequency (60 major events from 1979 to 1990), scale (co-occurrence in many coral reef regions and often over the bathymetric depth range of corals) and severity (>95% mortality in some areas) of recent bleaching disturbances are unprecedented in the scientific literature"
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00303779
Jones et al 1998, "Temperature-induced bleaching of corals begins with impairment of the CO2 fixation mechanism in zooxanthellae"
"The early effects of heat stress on the photosynthesis of symbiotic dinoflagellates (zooxanthellae) within the tissues of a reef-building coral were examined using pulse-amplitude-modulated (PAM) chlorophyll fluorescence and photorespirometry"
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-3040.1998.00345.x/full
Berkelmans et al 2004, "A comparison of the 1998 and 2002 coral bleaching events on the Great Barrier Reef: spatial correlation, patterns, and predictions"
"Since 1979, the number, scale, and intensity of reported coral bleaching events has grown dramatically and this trend has been linked to climate change… results suggest that coral reefs are profoundly sensitive to even modest increases in temperature and, in the absence of acclimatization/adaptation, are likely to suffer large declines under mid-range International Panel for Climate Change predictions by 2050"
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00338-003-0353-y
Donner et al 2005, "Global assessment of coral bleaching and required rates of adaptation under climate change"
"The results indicate that bleaching could become an annual or biannual event for the vast majority of the world's coral reefs in the next 30-50 years without an increase in thermal tolerance of 0.2-1.0°C per decade"
onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2486.2005.01073.x/full
Eakin et al 2010, "Caribbean Corals in Crisis: Record Thermal Stress, Bleaching, and Mortality in 2005"
"Collaborators from 22 countries undertook the most comprehensive documentation of basin-scale bleaching to date and found that over 80% of corals bleached and over 40% died at many sites… Thermal stress during the 2005 event exceeded any observed from the Caribbean in the prior 20 years, and regionally-averaged temperatures were the warmest in over 150 years. Comparison of satellite data against field surveys demonstrated a significant predictive relationship between accumulated heat stress (measured using NOAA Coral Reef Watch's Degree Heating Weeks) and bleaching intensity"
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0013969
Kiessling et al., 2012 "Equatorial decline of reef corals during the last Pleistocene interglacial"
"Latitudinal diversity patterns are characterized by a tropical plateau today but were characterized by a pronounced equatorial trough during the LIG. This trough is governed by substantial range shifts away from the equator… The equatorial retractions are surprisingly strong given that only small temperature changes have been reported in the LIG tropics."
www.pnas.org/content/109/52/21378.abstract
Roff et al 2012, "Palaeoecological evidence of a historical collapse of corals at Pelorus Island, inshore Great Barrier Reef, following European settlement"
"our results indicate remarkable long-term stability in coral community structure over centennial scales"
rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1750/20122100
Hoegh-Guldberg 2012, "The adaptation of coral reefs to climate change: Is the Red Queen being outpaced?"
"Coral reefs have enormous value in terms of biodiversity and the ecosystem goods and services that they provide to hundreds of millions of people around the world. These important ecosystems are facing rapidly increasing pressure from climate change, particularly ocean warming and acidification. A centrally important question is whether reefbuilding corals and the ecosystems they build will be able to acclimate, adapt, or migrate in response to rapid anthropogenic climate change. This issue is explored in the context of the current environmental change, which is largely unprecedented in rate and scale and which are exceeding the capacity of coral reef ecosystems to maintain their contribution to human wellbeing through evolutionary and ecological processes. On the balance of evidence, the ‘Red Queen’ (an analogy previously used by evolutionary biologists) is clearly being ‘left in the dust’ with evolutionary processes that are largely unable to maintain the status quo of coral reef ecosystems under the current high rates of anthropogenic climate change."
scientiamarina.revistas.csic.es/index.php/scientiamarina/article/viewArticle/1352
Heron et al 2015, "Validation of Reef-Scale Thermal Stress Satellite Products for Coral Bleaching Monitoring"
"model based on thermal stress and generic richness that explained 97% of the variance in observed bleaching"
cnmicoralreef.com/uploads/cnmi/Images%20and%20documents%20for%20individual%20pages/Heron%20et%20al_2016_Validation%20of%20Reef-Scale%20Thermal%20Stress%20Satellie%20Products%20for%20Coral%20Bleaching%20Monitoring_Remote%20Sensing.pdf
Manzello 2015, "Rapid Recent Warming of Coral Reefs in the Florida Keys"
"data show that thermal stress is increasing and occurring on a near-annual basis on Florida Keys reefs due to ocean warming from climate change."
www.nature.com/articles/srep16762
Albright et al 2016 "Reversal of ocean acidification enhances net coral reef calcification"
"We found that when ocean chemistry is restored closer to pre-industrial conditions, the reef calcifies more quickly. These results provide evidence that the ocean acidification caused by our carbon dioxide emissions is already slowing coral reef growth."
dge.stanford.edu/labs/caldeiralab/OneTreePress/OneTreePressInfo.html
Bay et al 2017, "Genomic models predict successful coral adaptation if future ocean warming rates are reduced"
"Under more severe scenarios, RCP6.0 and RCP8.5, adaptation was not rapid enough to prevent extinction."
advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/11/e1701413
Lough et al 2018, "Increasing thermal stress for tropical coral reefs: 1871-2017"
"Tropical corals live close to their upper thermal limit making them vulnerable to unusually warm summer sea temperatures… We examine the historical level of stress for 100 coral reef locations with robust bleaching histories. The level of thermal stress (based on a degree heating month index, DHMI) at these locations during the 2015-2016 El Niño was unprecedented over the period 1871-2017 and exceeded that of the strong 1997-1998 El Niño… Effectively, reefs of the future will not be the same as those of the past."
www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-24530-9
Hughes et al 2019, "Global warming impairs stock-recruitment dynamics of corals"
"As a consequence of mass mortality of adult brood stock in 2016 and 2017 owing to heat stress, the amount of larval recruitment declined in 2018 by 89% compared to historical levels. For the first time, brooding pocilloporids replaced spawning acroporids as the dominant taxon in the depleted recruitment pool. The collapse in stock-recruitment relationships indicates that the low resistance of adult brood stocks to repeated episodes of coral bleaching is inexorably tied to an impaired capacity for recovery, which highlights the multifaceted processes that underlie the global decline of coral reefs."
www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1081-y
Geoff Price . The climate change movement will go the way of the Eugenics movement of 100 years ago when reality overtakes stupidity.
@@plomdenume5082 Hear this prediction a lot from (super partisan) science critics, indeed have heard it for a couple of decades, but reality keeps reinforcing science.
What's happening right now on the reef, as we speak?
'Since March 16, a team of scientists have flown above 344,000 square kilometers - over 130,000 square miles - surveying more than 800 individual reefs, in order to measure the extent and severity of coral bleaching. According to their observations, the worst bleaching was seen on reefs that "suffered the highest heat stress this summer," which accounted for "large areas of the Reef."' ... According to the ARC Centre, climate change is the "single greatest challenge to the Reef."'
www.cbsnews.com/news/great-barrier-reef-mass-coral-bleaching-heat-stress-climate-change/
Nowhere did he say that bleaching doesn't happen. Talk about taking things out of context!!! He did not say bleaching is not real. You should be ashamed of yourself for twisting what is being presented.