On the Walstrom, if you grab the lower part to tighten it is much easier. I have one on my woodworking drill press, they still make them today. They are great for holding a tap. I have had mine for over 30 yrs.
@George Robartes Not necessarily so -- while the original 1907 patent illustrations showed 3 jaws, it seems that the current Wahlstrom chucks are 4-jaw. See the links I posted above.
I agree. About a month ago I was looking for information on how to make a spring for a tool that the spring broke. The part couldn't be found. After gathering all the info I thought I needed and a hefty dose of eyeballing it I stumbled into a parts store and it was sitting on the shelf. I bought two.
We used The last tool in the video used to measure bolt stretch on steam turbine construction.there is more to that tool. It's missing an indicator and rods.
i am very minimally familiar with the spring winding tool, but i think the numbers on the side which you said were to set it to the diameter of wire you are using, were actually to set the spacing between the coils for the compression springs. i watched one being used once or twice, procured plans for making my own, then decided ill just buy springs, it easier and better.
Used to be an electrician. Never worked with that particular cutter at the beginning of the video, but recognized it's use right off the bat. Think the tools at the end of the video are for holding cable taught. Saw something similar used for holding cable on decks and stair ways. Thank you for sharing it Mr. Pete. Cheers
One more thing. When you apply downward pressure it grips tighter as long as the bit isn't bottomed out in the chuck. The more pressure applied the tighter the grip. But the mistake people made in the past was bottoming out the bit( sticking it in all the way ). And it would slip. Also when using, keep clean NO OIL , and rough up all drill bit ends with with fine sand paper ( get that slick off ). And BTY, do this Regardless of what ever chuck being used..I dont think it was osha, i believe people didn't know how to properly use this chuck, so they gave up on it due to slipping...
In late 70's I the used chucks like the Wahlstrom chuck on an old four spindle drill press to get an extra operation while not having to stop the machine. All the spindles were in line over a wide table and were not individually controlled. WWII vintage machinery was common in that shop. It was easy to use but certainly not needed on modern CNC equipment that replaced it.
Thanks for the video Lyle, Just minutes ago I came from the shop where I used my 40+ year old high school shop made spring winder to make a heating element coil for the heat treat furnace I am building. I use this handy tool several times a year! The spring winder you show is nice with it's calibrated wire spacer. The danger with all these spring winders is the wire feeding from the spool catching you as it is pulled in. Take it slow and safe! The second lesser problem is the spring back whip as you let go of dozens or hundreds of coils. The tension/friction nut is critical in winding a spring to the desired diameter. You need an undersized mandrel in combination with the wire tension to "over bend" a smaller diameter to allow for spring back. To wind a right hand spring from the head stock you need to run the lathe counter clock wise (reversed rotation). Chuck in Wyoming
@@m.s.l.7746 , For a 8X8X12" inside furnace running on two 120VAC legs (240VAC) I am using two 50' lengths of 0.032" 20 Gauge A1 Kanthal wire 0.81 ohm/foot or 40 ohm running 3A per leg for ~750 watts total. Each wire is wound using the lathe on a 1/4" dia rod forming a 3/8 OD coil with a length of 5'. The kanthal wire is often sold for "Vape" heaters for about $8 to 12 /100'. 18 Gauge wire should up the power to ~1000W. 16 Gauge ~1800W
24 year old Journeyman electrician here and I absolutely love seeing the older photos, the Empire spring winder manual looks alot like the technical documentation for vintage Altec lansing speakers. I did however immediately recognize the first tool even thought I've never had to use one, we tend to just use cordless Sawzalls now rather then hauling a big hydraulic porta power around. Thanks Pete always love learning from your channel!
@canuckguy worried I know there are a ton of 18V cutters available now which I would imagine have replaced at least some of the hydraulic powered units.
Mr.Pete,What i found fascinating on the quick chuck was the fact the teeth STOP rotating on the close.Yet the whole unit continues to rotate.ALSO it's doing that without coming into contact with the drill.I'm stumped,NOW i won't sleep until i know !!!GEE thanks ALOT haha
I wind my own elements for my electric foundry and kludged up a very primitive version of this tool. It is interesting to see that an 'official' tool such as this exists. Thank you for posting this.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge (and humor) again! -Not picking a dispute here, but there still seems to be a pretty big demand for those spring winding tools: not for machinists of today, but for people into pottery and ceramics: they have to coil the resistance heating wire for their furnaces every few years - and so will I, but for a 4 kW foundry, with some 65 feet of 1,2 mm Kanthal A-1 that'll get coiled up.
Making springs can go from simple to complex. Back in the day I made a lot of special springs for Sandia National Laboratories. The most complex were springs that were part of the fail-safes in the nuclear test reactors. They were actually fun to make because they were close tolearance (+/- 0.005") and required 3 bending fixtures to make the required bends. The springs had to be started from both ends of the piano wire stock and have everything end up the correct size when finished. As you noted, trial and error is the fastest way to make springs of a desired size. All I ever used to wind the springs on a lathe were two blocks of nylon in the tool holder to clamp on the wire to adjust the drag.
If the mood ever strikes you I would watch a spring making video. I am always tinkering on old engines or pumps and the hardware store never has the spring I am after. Sometimes I want a spring the same dimensions as an existing one but with lighter tension(governor springs). The springs inside a piston pump that hold the check valves closed are light pressure but extremely tapered and particularly hard to find. Thanks for sharing your knowledge! By the way I laughed out loud at 10:25
Spring tool, I bought one to make springs about 30yrs ago. The beveled disk with numbers is used as a gage to make the coils a set distance from each other I worked with a guy who developed/ invented new products for window shades. One thing was a variety of cord locks that needed various types of small springs that I made from piano wire.
You missed a little detail with the spring winding tool: The wire tensioning bolt has a hole through it that the wire must pass through to ensure that the wire does not slip from under the tensioning washer during winding.
Walstrom Chuck's are still made and repaired by Eagle Rock. I use one all the time, I can centerdrill, drill and ream or tap a hole in a Bridgeport almost as fast as cnc. It works best less than 2000 rpm and grabbing the smooth part to tighten. The spring winder is neet and I would use it for an emergency spring it works best with a wide selection of drill rod and you use a size or two smaller than the hole needed but by tightening the clutch you can vary the id a little. The scrap iron as you call it may be either a small die holder for threading to a line drawn on the flat area or a bearing holder for turning the end of a long point of shallow angle. You turn the large part first, using a live center, then stick it through the bearing and turn down the small end to a point. Good for making 2-5° points.
I recognised the copper cable cutter. Saw them on utility trucks. My dad had many strange tools that his dad had from his automobile shop in Detroit. That shop is now in The Henry Ford Museum. It was originally a horse carriage shop. Henry Ford bought the entire building and everything in it and had it moved to his Museum. I take pride in knowing its there for generations to enjoy. Not too many people can say their family business ended up in a Museum.
Mr Pete; Here is a idea for a future video if you run out topics: Go over the production process you do and have learned in the making of your videos over the years. Camera set ups, lighting, prep for subjects (story), editing, equipment, amount of time it take etc. Other than being thankful of the service you are doing in sharing (passing on the baton) of your knowledge, I appreciate the time you spend in the production of your lessons.
I had considered doing that for several years now. I think my methods are too crude to publish. But it is true that many basement creators need some lessons in videography.
I ordered a spring winder like that from McMaster Carr a little over ten years ago for the vehicle maintenance shop I worked at. We had need for brake shoe return springs for a 1970s fire truck and the government supply system could not produce the parts nor could the manufacturer. I used .120 diameter spring stock. I made a holder for the tool that resembled a boring bar holder turned ninety degrees to the spindle axis. The tapered "washer" with the numbers sets the spacing between the coils although I used power feed on the lathe carriage to my advantage as well. I will look at McMaster Carr's website to see if the tool is still listed.
4:47 Older braces had four jaws, my dad used one of these with his 4-sided wood bits for quick changes but not while it was in motion. This looks odd with round bits and unsafe. I used it on a corner brace for flooring and moulding. BTW my shop teacher couldn't drive a nail straight...he had woodworking plans, would say "take one and build it". I did learn mechanical drawing from him though and my father was a carpenter so no biggy.
I’ve made quite a few springs when servicing machinery but I’ve never used this tool. It’d be great to see a video of it in use. Definitely true that you usually have to make several test springs before you get it right.
Just checked out the numbers on your EBay auctions and have to believe a lot of the generous bids are a thank you in support of your great videos. 10 to 1 says some of the monies will go right back into another auction or estate sale or maybe best to replace some of your wife's dishes, towels, silverware etc.that you swiped from her over the years! Lol. Really liked your last video on the mill comparing measuring indicators and look forward to a follow-up. Thanks.
I love that chuck. It's sort of a tapping clutch mechanism that manipulates the jaws of the chuck instead of a threading tap. On the spring winder, I think the graduated wheel helps the user control the distance between convolutions as the spring winds.
On the spring winder... Just about a year ago I needed a spring for an old production tool, I looked on McMaster-Carr and every where else online, couldn't find what I needed. I took it to our toolmaker, he whipped out a couple of different designs of spring winders he had, decided which was best for the type I needed and produced three springs of proper format in about 1/2-hour. Conclusion, if your apt to need a spring quickly then having a spring winder is worth the investment even if you only use it a few times.
Mr Pete, The chuck that you featured in this video is not actually obsolete as you said. My Dad was a Dental Technician and used several of these type chucks (although smaller0 that were connected directly to their finishing department. They could quickly change the various burrs and abrasive wheels during the finishing process. They were used on acrylics and metal alike. Regards, Chuck Arkon
The numbers refer to the tension of the spring when you finished,,,or the gap in the spring,,light more or less pressure for the spring. In making gun springs,,you need light or heavy ones..You know what I mean I'm sure. Put the washer against the rod and it creates the space for the spring.
Excellent video and for me very timely. I just recently tried to wind a spring with some very thick music wire. Everyone who saw the result agrees it was a very pitiful almost spring. Keep on keeping on with this excellent series please.
Mr Pete I was just attempting to make some springs for my Live Steam locomotive this week. Using a mini lathe. I believe the numbers on your tool are for the number of coils per inch when winding the spring. Wish I had one of those tools as my mini lathe is limited as to 12 threads per inch which would be 12 coils of spring per inch. In live steam hobby we have to use different size springs for the weight of the cars. Sometimes its trial and error to get the right spring tension. Can go through quite a few springs so making our own helps. Never knew of this tool will have to keep my eyes open for one. Thanks for the info.
The drill chuck is some great engineering. $300 new on ebay! Why would they get mad, it's free advertising for them. One plant I worked at, the shop guys would make special use springs using a similar device! We so enjoy you mistreatment of dead animals. Never too long, they all seem to fly by.
I make springs all the time (old motorcycle restoration) and you're right, sometimes I need to make half a dozen before I get it right. That's without a fancy tool as well ;-)
I love making springs I hate getting hurt making springs! And trust me you can give yourself some nasty wounds with music wire I have discovered. I had no idea that this tool existed I want to find one and buy it. I have made several devices that pinch the music wire between two pieces of brass to cause drag while the mandrel spins in the chuck and I slowly move the tool post to follow the coil it's quite effective but I would like this tool anyway. I wonder how long it's going to take me to locate one
Hydraulic electrical cable cutter knew from past experience, I enjoyed this video and would like to see one on spring make. I have attempted to make a few in the past with pliers in the vice wrapping the spring wire around a bolt. So I vote Yes!
I would like to see a spring winding video. Is the tapered washer for control of the gap/pitch or tension. Looks like strength/tension would be controlled by wire size. As always, love ALL the videos.
We had a similar set up to the chuck for swing arm drills @Eaton when we did our own cases, the difference was the tools was mounted to sleeves example the drill then the tap, you released the sleeve and changed it out
The wheel on the machine sets the pitch and coil angle - I could really use that spring winder, both for my gunsmithing,and also for winding coils to cut into rings for making chain-mail replica armour !
looks like those last item might be for stretching flat metal into hollow form like they do soda cans on a press, those might be part of the press operations.
Mr Pete, you can bore me anytime you like. I learn something from all of your videos. I'll probably not see all of them, but I have seen many. Thank you.
I used one in a factory back in 1979 with no complaints from OSHA. They were started in 1971. Proper footwear, safety glasses and people with long hair tucking in their shirts was more of a priority. I have seen people ignore all three to their detriment. I also been in some places that OSHA should have fined or closed down. Basically sweat shops. People go there in desperation and leave as fast as they can find another job. If you didn't either your lungs would be shot or you would end up in the emergency room.
And operators with gloves on doing that,had a guy catch his glove on a six foot Carlton drill.It coasted to a stop after wrapping his arm around the spindel.
The spring winder's brass washer could be a replacement - whoever would use one would have a lathe, and if it were being used a lot then they may have needed a heavier-wearing piece than the plastic could provide. Reason I suggest this is because the instructions clearly say plastic and if the product were updated it would be additional cost to change the printing, especially on a niche tool like that. (Heck, they still don't do that - a rice cooker I have clearly says it should have a 3-pin plug and after calling the company about it having a 2-pin they confirmed that the product is correct and the instructions just were not changed.)
I picked up an antique dental drill that was belt driven and it was not stainless steel as you surmised. The nickel plating was flaking on it like an old car bumper.
Thanks again for a great vid. You have given me an idea for my next pass down meeting with my students (TCAT Clarksville. Multi craft industrial maintenance ) with the spring making tool. It will be interesting. Thank you again and stay safe
in a normal shop, no forman would encourage the workers to attempt to change drill bits with the drill motor still running. i am certain someone would drive the drill bit thru their hand.
With a spring winder like that you would be able to make your own springs very accurately just with a drill press cause the adjustable spacer would help greatly to create a evenly spaced spring. If you own a lathe with power feed, I would agree that its obsolete in a way.
The numbers on the spring winders tapered disc arent for tension, they set the width of the coils as you wind on the rod- so you let the tool ride against the last wrap and set the width and it wraps and self feeds to the desired thickness
Here's a link that has some internal photos from somebody who disassembled it to swap to a different shank: www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/wahlstrom-keyless-chuck-mdl-28-31-repair-297845/
Absolutely love the spring winder and the speed chuck. What do you mean lost technology? You found it! It's no longer lost! I use that kind of stuff all the time! You calling me antiquated? LOL
The fibre washer would be for softer wires like mild steel, Aluminium and Copper. The other as you say is for instrument wire and nichrome windings in heater elements such as those found in Soldering Irons ....
This is a varying thickness disk, the markings indicate the thickness. This disk spaces each turn of the spring as it is wound. The spacing is important for compression springs. The knob is the friction adjustment for the fire feed.
@@chuckinwyoming8526 I understand about the distance between the coils (pitch); But I am still wanting to know WHAT the numbers represent. IE: is it "metric?" Etc. Thanks for responding Chuck.
By the way those nickel plated pins in your last piece have knurling to allow soft clamps to stop them rotating and the slots have machined bars that fit neatly in them I’ve seen them before on medical equipment but don’t quite remember what ....
I'm sorry but I am forced to disagree with you, Lyle. Making your own springs is still a much-needed technology. I had a hydraulic circuit that required a very light spring in a check valve because I was using it outside of the catalog intent for that valve. I needed a pair of them for each circuit and we ended up making 25 sets over the years, the latest one only 30 years ago.,...………….30 years???????...………. On second thought, maybe time has passed it (and me) by.I guess you were right after all.
please make a spring winding video, with the dos and donts. sometimes it is necessary to make a spring for a specific purpose which can not be found at the local hardware store.
Spring wire winder. The wedge washer is used to space the coil windings pitch. The clamping break helps control the tension.
With out you and others in your generation people like me would never know what half of these tools are. Thanks Mr Pete!
Thanks Mr Pete.
You remind me of my H S shop teacher.
MUCH respect for him, wish he was still around. I'd love to see and chat with him again.
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On the Walstrom, if you grab the lower part to tighten it is much easier. I have one on my woodworking drill press, they still make them today. They are great for holding a tap. I have had mine for over 30 yrs.
@George Robartes Not necessarily so -- while the original 1907 patent illustrations showed 3 jaws, it seems that the current Wahlstrom chucks are 4-jaw. See the links I posted above.
Make a spring making video, we’d like to learn along with you.
Always enjoy this series. Thanks
I agree. About a month ago I was looking for information on how to make a spring for a tool that the spring broke. The part couldn't be found. After gathering all the info I thought I needed and a hefty dose of eyeballing it I stumbled into a parts store and it was sitting on the shelf. I bought two.
No leave the spring winders in the box. I like to see Mr Pete just as he is with 8 fingers and 2 thumbs.
Idiot Online Wondering Aloud Spring has sprung, perhaps.
Did you watch This Old Tony video on making springs? It's quite informative.
felixar90 just fix to thanks.
We used The last tool in the video used to measure bolt stretch on steam turbine construction.there is more to that tool. It's missing an indicator and rods.
OK-----you got me!! Are you absolutely positive of this. I mean--is this the definitive correct answer? This not tongue in cheek
as in for torque to yield fasteners?
@@mrpete222 Someone linked this in a comment on the 44A video: www.boltheaters.com/bolt_extensometer.html
@@JasonPascucci Now listed under "Other Tools"
i am very minimally familiar with the spring winding tool, but i think the numbers on the side which you said were to set it to the diameter of wire you are using, were actually to set the spacing between the coils for the compression springs.
i watched one being used once or twice, procured plans for making my own, then decided ill just buy springs, it easier and better.
They hold as well as any other chuck and are still made today. Excellent tool.
Used to be an electrician. Never worked with that particular cutter at the beginning of the video, but recognized it's use right off the bat. Think the tools at the end of the video are for holding cable taught. Saw something similar used for holding cable on decks and stair ways. Thank you for sharing it Mr. Pete.
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One more thing. When you apply downward pressure it grips tighter as long as the bit isn't bottomed out in the chuck. The more pressure applied the tighter the grip. But the mistake people made in the past was bottoming out the bit( sticking it in all the way ). And it would slip. Also when using, keep clean NO OIL , and rough up all drill bit ends with with fine sand paper ( get that slick off ). And BTY, do this Regardless of what ever chuck being used..I dont think it was osha, i believe people didn't know how to properly use this chuck, so they gave up on it due to slipping...
Thank you for that information
In late 70's I the used chucks like the Wahlstrom chuck on an old four spindle drill press to get an extra operation while not having to stop the machine. All the spindles were in line over a wide table and were not individually controlled. WWII vintage machinery was common in that shop. It was easy to use but certainly not needed on modern CNC equipment that replaced it.
Thanks for the video Lyle, Just minutes ago I came from the shop where I used my 40+ year old high school shop made spring winder to make a heating element coil for the heat treat furnace I am building. I use this handy tool several times a year! The spring winder you show is nice with it's calibrated wire spacer.
The danger with all these spring winders is the wire feeding from the spool catching you as it is pulled in. Take it slow and safe! The second lesser problem is the spring back whip as you let go of dozens or hundreds of coils. The tension/friction nut is critical in winding a spring to the desired diameter. You need an undersized mandrel in combination with the wire tension to "over bend" a smaller diameter to allow for spring back. To wind a right hand spring from the head stock you need to run the lathe counter clock wise (reversed rotation).
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What type/size resistance wire are you using for the heat treat furnace? I'd like to build my own, too.
@@m.s.l.7746 , For a 8X8X12" inside furnace running on two 120VAC legs (240VAC) I am using two 50' lengths of 0.032" 20 Gauge A1 Kanthal wire 0.81 ohm/foot or 40 ohm running 3A per leg for ~750 watts total. Each wire is wound using the lathe on a 1/4" dia rod forming a 3/8 OD coil with a length of 5'. The kanthal wire is often sold for "Vape" heaters for about $8 to 12 /100'. 18 Gauge wire should up the power to ~1000W. 16 Gauge ~1800W
Good videos. Very informative.
I use to use the half round chisel to remove damaged screws by notching the head and driving the screw out.
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24 year old Journeyman electrician here and I absolutely love seeing the older photos, the Empire spring winder manual looks alot like the technical documentation for vintage Altec lansing speakers. I did however immediately recognize the first tool even thought I've never had to use one, we tend to just use cordless Sawzalls now rather then hauling a big hydraulic porta power around. Thanks Pete always love learning from your channel!
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@canuckguy worried I know there are a ton of 18V cutters available now which I would imagine have replaced at least some of the hydraulic powered units.
Mr.Pete,What i found fascinating on the quick chuck was the fact the teeth STOP rotating on the close.Yet the whole unit continues to rotate.ALSO it's doing that without coming into contact with the drill.I'm stumped,NOW i won't sleep until i know !!!GEE thanks ALOT haha
I wind my own elements for my electric foundry and kludged up a very primitive version of this tool. It is interesting to see that an 'official' tool such as this exists. Thank you for posting this.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge (and humor) again! -Not picking a dispute here, but there still seems to be a pretty big demand for those spring winding tools: not for machinists of today, but for people into pottery and ceramics: they have to coil the resistance heating wire for their furnaces every few years - and so will I, but for a 4 kW foundry, with some 65 feet of 1,2 mm Kanthal A-1 that'll get coiled up.
Making springs can go from simple to complex. Back in the day I made a lot of special springs for Sandia National Laboratories. The most complex were springs that were part of the fail-safes in the nuclear test reactors. They were actually fun to make because they were close tolearance (+/- 0.005") and required 3 bending fixtures to make the required bends. The springs had to be started from both ends of the piano wire stock and have everything end up the correct size when finished.
As you noted, trial and error is the fastest way to make springs of a desired size. All I ever used to wind the springs on a lathe were two blocks of nylon in the tool holder to clamp on the wire to adjust the drag.
If the mood ever strikes you I would watch a spring making video. I am always tinkering on old engines or pumps and the hardware store never has the spring I am after. Sometimes I want a spring the same dimensions as an existing one but with lighter tension(governor springs). The springs inside a piston pump that hold the check valves closed are light pressure but extremely tapered and particularly hard to find.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! By the way I laughed out loud at 10:25
A video on making springs would interesting. Sometime the old ways are the best ways !!!!
Aurora is right across the river from me!
Spring tool, I bought one to make springs about 30yrs ago. The beveled disk with numbers is used as a gage to make the coils a set distance from each other I worked with a guy who developed/ invented new products for window shades. One thing was a variety of cord locks that needed various types of small springs that I made from piano wire.
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You missed a little detail with the spring winding tool: The wire tensioning bolt has a hole through it that the wire must pass through to ensure that the wire does not slip from under the tensioning washer during winding.
Walstrom Chuck's are still made and repaired by Eagle Rock. I use one all the time, I can centerdrill, drill and ream or tap a hole in a Bridgeport almost as fast as cnc. It works best less than 2000 rpm and grabbing the smooth part to tighten.
The spring winder is neet and I would use it for an emergency spring it works best with a wide selection of drill rod and you use a size or two smaller than the hole needed but by tightening the clutch you can vary the id a little.
The scrap iron as you call it may be either a small die holder for threading to a line drawn on the flat area or a bearing holder for turning the end of a long point of shallow angle. You turn the large part first, using a live center, then stick it through the bearing and turn down the small end to a point. Good for making 2-5° points.
I recognised the copper cable cutter. Saw them on utility trucks. My dad had many strange tools that his dad had from his automobile shop in Detroit. That shop is now in The Henry Ford Museum. It was originally a horse carriage shop. Henry Ford bought the entire building and everything in it and had it moved to his Museum. I take pride in knowing its there for generations to enjoy. Not too many people can say their family business ended up in a Museum.
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I'd like to have myself one of those spring winding tools, have to keep an eye out for one. Thanks
Very entertaining and informative as usual.
You certainly have my vote for spring winding and chisel videos.
Mr Pete; Here is a idea for a future video if you run out topics: Go over the production process you do and have learned in the making of your videos over the years. Camera set ups, lighting, prep for subjects (story), editing, equipment, amount of time it take etc. Other than being thankful of the service you are doing in sharing (passing on the baton) of your knowledge, I appreciate the time you spend in the production of your lessons.
I had considered doing that for several years now. I think my methods are too crude to publish. But it is true that many basement creators need some lessons in videography.
I ordered a spring winder like that from McMaster Carr a little over ten years ago for the vehicle maintenance shop I worked at. We had need for brake shoe return springs for a 1970s fire truck and the government supply system could not produce the parts nor could the manufacturer. I used .120 diameter spring stock. I made a holder for the tool that resembled a boring bar holder turned ninety degrees to the spindle axis. The tapered "washer" with the numbers sets the spacing between the coils although I used power feed on the lathe carriage to my advantage as well. I will look at McMaster Carr's website to see if the tool is still listed.
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Very informative video as usual. Thanks MrPete for the extra info.
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4:47 Older braces had four jaws, my dad used one of these with his 4-sided wood bits for quick changes but not while it was in motion. This looks odd with round bits and unsafe. I used it on a corner brace for flooring and moulding. BTW my shop teacher couldn't drive a nail straight...he had woodworking plans, would say "take one and build it". I did learn mechanical drawing from him though and my father was a carpenter so no biggy.
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I have one of those chucks boss at work gave it to Me Years ago when D.A.B. moved here from Hamtramck, Michigan in 1973
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Yep, actually says at 12:47, for compression springs use the graduated steel Pitch Selection.
Long or not your videos are still very much appreciated.
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I also say yes to a spring winding video.
I’ve made quite a few springs when servicing machinery but I’ve never used this tool. It’d be great to see a video of it in use. Definitely true that you usually have to make several test springs before you get it right.
Just checked out the numbers on your EBay auctions and have to believe a lot of the generous bids are a thank you in support of your great videos. 10 to 1 says some of the monies will go right back into another auction or estate sale or maybe best to replace some of your wife's dishes, towels, silverware etc.that you swiped from her over the years! Lol. Really liked your last video on the mill comparing measuring indicators and look forward to a follow-up. Thanks.
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I love that chuck. It's sort of a tapping clutch mechanism that manipulates the jaws of the chuck instead of a threading tap.
On the spring winder, I think the graduated wheel helps the user control the distance between convolutions as the spring winds.
On the spring winder... Just about a year ago I needed a spring for an old production tool, I looked on McMaster-Carr and every where else online, couldn't find what I needed. I took it to our toolmaker, he whipped out a couple of different designs of spring winders he had, decided which was best for the type I needed and produced three springs of proper format in about 1/2-hour. Conclusion, if your apt to need a spring quickly then having a spring winder is worth the investment even if you only use it a few times.
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Was looking forward to hearing you in slow motion.
Mr Pete,
The chuck that you featured in this video is not actually obsolete as you said. My Dad was a Dental Technician and used several of these type chucks (although smaller0 that were connected directly to their finishing department. They could quickly change the various burrs and abrasive wheels during the finishing process. They were used on acrylics and metal alike.
Regards,
Chuck Arkon
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The numbers refer to the tension of the spring when you finished,,,or the gap in the spring,,light more or less pressure for the spring. In making gun springs,,you need light or heavy ones..You know what I mean I'm sure. Put the washer against the rod and it creates the space for the spring.
It looks to me like the numbers refer to the pitch of the spring you are trying to make, the nut adjusts for the wire diameter.
I would think the Gap in a compression spring.
Excellent video and for me very timely. I just recently tried to wind a spring with some very thick music wire. Everyone who saw the result agrees it was a very pitiful almost spring. Keep on keeping on with this excellent series please.
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Mr Pete I was just attempting to make some springs for my Live Steam locomotive this week. Using a mini lathe. I believe the numbers on your tool are for the number of coils per inch when winding the spring. Wish I had one of those tools as my mini lathe is limited as to 12 threads per inch which would be 12 coils of spring per inch. In live steam hobby we have to use different size springs for the weight of the cars. Sometimes its trial and error to get the right spring tension. Can go through quite a few springs so making our own helps. Never knew of this tool will have to keep my eyes open for one. Thanks for the info.
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The drill chuck is some great engineering. $300 new on ebay! Why would they get mad, it's free advertising for them. One plant I worked at, the shop guys would make special use springs using a similar device! We so enjoy you mistreatment of dead animals. Never too long, they all seem to fly by.
If I'm not mistaken, the variable thickness disc on the spring winder is to control the pitch of the coil (coils spacing).
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Ya know, that chuck would save time on step up hole drilling and tapping. But then again at my age, I'm not in that big of a hurry either.
"Don't hurry,we need make this job last" ☝😜
Love your channel and wonderful projects
Royal still makes a chuck like that. I'd hate to try installing a sharp Norseman bit in that thing-you'd slice the skin off your fingertips.
I make springs all the time (old motorcycle restoration) and you're right, sometimes I need to make half a dozen before I get it right.
That's without a fancy tool as well ;-)
Yes, lots of trial and error
I love making springs I hate getting hurt making springs! And trust me you can give yourself some nasty wounds with music wire I have discovered. I had no idea that this tool existed I want to find one and buy it. I have made several devices that pinch the music wire between two pieces of brass to cause drag while the mandrel spins in the chuck and I slowly move the tool post to follow the coil it's quite effective but I would like this tool anyway. I wonder how long it's going to take me to locate one
I enjoy seeing the old stuff
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Hydraulic electrical cable cutter knew from past experience, I enjoyed this video and would like to see one on spring make. I have attempted to make a few in the past with pliers in the vice wrapping the spring wire around a bolt. So I vote Yes!
That drill chuck is one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen!!!
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I would like to see a spring winding video. Is the tapered washer for control of the gap/pitch or tension. Looks like strength/tension would be controlled by wire size. As always, love ALL the videos.
A spring making video comparing the compression type to the tension type would be a great benefit to the old timers who watch!
McMaster Carr still sells the spring winder. Greene, Tweed & Co are still in business but I believe they make things other than spring winders now.
Great series Mr Pete I'm going to have to make one of those spring winders it looks better than the one I made years ago
We had a similar set up to the chuck for swing arm drills @Eaton when we did our own cases, the difference was the tools was mounted to sleeves example the drill then the tap, you released the sleeve and changed it out
The wheel on the machine sets the pitch and coil angle - I could really use that spring winder, both for my gunsmithing,and also for winding coils to cut into rings for making chain-mail replica armour !
The dial on the spring maker is for the distance between the coil windings
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looks like those last item might be for stretching flat metal into hollow form like they do soda cans on a press, those might be part of the press operations.
I like that 4 jaw drill chuck. I expect it would work with the drill turned off.
It is a pain to use unless the spindle is on .
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I enjoyed watching this video.
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I think the quick change chuck was discontinued because of safety reasons that required hands and fingers to be too close to rotating parts.
Mr Pete, you can bore me anytime you like. I learn something from all of your videos. I'll probably not see all of them, but I have seen many. Thank you.
You are right that drill chuck would make OSHA people grit there teeth.
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I used one in a factory back in 1979 with no complaints from OSHA. They were started in 1971. Proper footwear, safety glasses and people with long hair tucking in their shirts was more of a priority. I have seen people ignore all three to their detriment. I also been in some places that OSHA should have fined or closed down. Basically sweat shops. People go there in desperation and leave as fast as they can find another job. If you didn't either your lungs would be shot or you would end up in the emergency room.
Id bet back in the day alot of men lost skin if not a finger....
they are still making these about 400 bucks.
And operators with gloves on doing that,had a guy catch his glove on a six foot Carlton drill.It coasted to a stop after wrapping his arm around the spindel.
The spring winder's brass washer could be a replacement - whoever would use one would have a lathe, and if it were being used a lot then they may have needed a heavier-wearing piece than the plastic could provide. Reason I suggest this is because the instructions clearly say plastic and if the product were updated it would be additional cost to change the printing, especially on a niche tool like that.
(Heck, they still don't do that - a rice cooker I have clearly says it should have a 3-pin plug and after calling the company about it having a 2-pin they confirmed that the product is correct and the instructions just were not changed.)
I picked up an antique dental drill that was belt driven and it was not stainless steel as you surmised. The nickel plating was flaking on it like an old car bumper.
Probably pre dates stainless development. Nickel is toxic to germs. And us, btw, so be careful if sanding or grinding.
Great video.
A video on using the spring tool would be great and then add it to your Ebay listing.
I have one of those Walstrom chucks. Pretty funny that’s exactly what I told a buddy of mine. "This thing is before the days of OSHA"
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Success!!!... my best ever result. Got 2/4.. Last two flummoxed me.
Whalstrom chuck designed for tapping. 4 jaw fits the tap. Floating the chuck to avoid jamming out the tap.
Thanks again for a great vid. You have given me an idea for my next pass down meeting with my students (TCAT Clarksville. Multi craft industrial maintenance ) with the spring making tool. It will be interesting. Thank you again and stay safe
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in a normal shop, no forman would encourage the workers to attempt to change drill bits with the drill motor still running. i am certain someone would drive the drill bit thru their hand.
The numbers on the spring guage is to determin width of each coil
Looks like Penn Tool Co. sells brand new Wahlstrom Fully Automatic drill chucks. Set you back a pretty penny though.
With a spring winder like that you would be able to make your own springs very accurately just with a drill press cause the adjustable spacer would help greatly to create a evenly spaced spring.
If you own a lathe with power feed, I would agree that its obsolete in a way.
The numbers on the spring winders tapered disc arent for tension, they set the width of the coils as you wind on the rod- so you let the tool ride against the last wrap and set the width and it wraps and self feeds to the desired thickness
Ive seen those used by SDG E. They were cutting thick cables on telephone poles.
That would be great if you could do a video on making springs. Also would love to see a video on cool chisel and there uses. Thank You!!
I would love to see how that Chuck worked inernally, I'd also be interested in a cold chisel video
Here's a link that has some internal photos from somebody who disassembled it to swap to a different shank: www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/general/wahlstrom-keyless-chuck-mdl-28-31-repair-297845/
I would think that the numbers are not for wire size but instead for how much spread you have in the spring you are making
thanks for all the good videos
Absolutely love the spring winder and the speed chuck. What do you mean lost technology? You found it! It's no longer lost! I use that kind of stuff all the time! You calling me antiquated? LOL
The number wheel on the spring winder is purposed for spacing your coils.
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Thank you for all the videos. I really enjoy the Mystery Tool series.
The fibre washer would be for softer wires like mild steel, Aluminium and Copper. The other as you say is for instrument wire and nichrome windings in heater elements such as those found in Soldering Irons ....
That chuck would be great for use on an old Buffalo Forge drill press running off a line shaft. Maybe not the best to use with a fly cutter.
I should have got the spring winder. I made a tool like that once, but my clutch was terrible. My tool mounted on the tool post.
Concerning the "spring winder" tool; WHAT is the dial for? Also what do the numbers represent if you please?
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This is a varying thickness disk, the markings indicate the thickness. This disk spaces each turn of the spring as it is wound. The spacing is important for compression springs. The knob is the friction adjustment for the fire feed.
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I understand about the distance between the coils (pitch); But I am still wanting to know WHAT the numbers represent. IE: is it "metric?" Etc.
Thanks for responding Chuck.
By the way those nickel plated pins in your last piece have knurling to allow soft clamps to stop them rotating and the slots have machined bars that fit neatly in them I’ve seen them before on medical equipment but don’t quite remember what ....
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More interesting stuff.
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i think the spring winder was really neat..
It looks like the numbers would control the pitch of the spring, distance between each wind.
John Wallace is correct, it's the space in the gap of the springs, or the pitch...Thanks John
I'm sorry but I am forced to disagree with you, Lyle. Making your own springs is still a much-needed technology. I had a hydraulic circuit that required a very light spring in a check valve because I was using it outside of the catalog intent for that valve. I needed a pair of them for each circuit and we ended up making 25 sets over the years, the latest one only 30 years ago.,...………….30 years???????...………. On second thought, maybe time has passed it (and me) by.I guess you were right after all.
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please make a spring winding video, with the dos and donts. sometimes it is necessary to make a spring for a specific purpose which can not be found at the local hardware store.
That disk is for the springs pitch not the gauge of wire
By jingo and by jinkers Mr Pete - they still make walstron chuck in the USA at between 300 and 400 bucks a bit .
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would love a video on spring making.
THANK YOU...for sharing.