I’ve refereed this club a number of times this season and everyone involved within the club has been nice to me. Even after the incident you guys dealt with it swiftly and removed him from the ground/area. Good luck for the rest of the season
RE the slide tackle at 20:00, if it was one foot it would be perfect, he got the ball and the other player fell over his leg, which is fine. But diving in with two feet - even if it's a clean tackle - is SO dangerous that it's banned for a reason. He didn't break a leg this time, but an inch further to the right and he certainly could have done.
I think at first I agreed and then when I thought about it more from the refs perspective - it wouldn’t be accepted at the highest levels so it shouldn’t be here either imo. The refs are trying to move up the ladder just like the players, and being consistent in what you will and will not stand for is king. So in the end, it feels a bit harsh but it’s probably warranted simply because it’s retaliatory enough to give a second yellow for.
Totally unfair. he is quite reasonably pushing him away and defending himself. The guy has just tried to clout him, and is then agressively approaching him. Its not agression but self defence at that point.
I can see both ways on green #3. Personally for me, blue #5 just tried to take his head off and his response was more of a defensive distancing jab rather than a full return of aggression so I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt on this one but you don't want to see this behaviour full stop so can understand the red. Great videos by the way, just stumbled across them today. I'd love to do a bit of refereeing one day. Subbed. 👍
Everything spot on including 19m35 caution, impact area was low, and it was more the more the momentum that took the player out, reckless for me - spot on. Tough match to manage.
I’m on the fence on the red for #3. The way #5 swung his elbow, he could have broken his jaw if it had connected, #3 had every right to give a little shove away to defend himself. Also, I didn’t realise referees tot up the number of fouls committed on one player…and I’ve been playing mens football for 20 years!
He was definitely deserving of a yellow along with the #5 for their coming together. The second one I went with what my assistant told me. He had to defend himself as that elbow could’ve been trouble. We take mental notes. I can’t have the same player being kicked 5/6 times in a row by 5/6 different players. As soon as the first person was booked, he wasn’t fouled again
@@RefsWorld it makes sense now seeing it. Players will complain about it being their first foul, but it might well be the case that they were unfortunate enough to foul a player that’s been kicked all game. Gives a new perspective on what players might initially think are harsh or unfair bookings.
‘Shoulder to shoulder’ penalty shout in the second half - the defender makes no attempt to play the ball, just takes the attacker out! Anywhere else on the field I reckon you wouldn’t hesitate to blow for a foul🤷♂️
1st pen yes for me the contact was more in the back and no intention to play the ball. 2nd pen no. You got the yellow for the reckless challenge correct for me.
Really hard to manage that carnage - well done and good job assistants- listen we might all see things a little differently, but whatever the case is they caught number 5 swinging and that’s good officiating - especially the way they managed it, protected each other and officiated with conviction and courage
Trying to get on a referee course myself, have started referring on games where they haven’t been able to get one (clearly been told I’m not fully qualified and it saves on of coaches doing it as there’s a shortage of refs in my area). Taking some good tips of yourself, i love the communication with the players and is something I always do. Wouldn’t have give the number 3 a second yellow if I had seen it but given what you been told think you had no choice. Great video
@@RefsWorld it’s the Manchester fa, Iv emailed 3 times in last 6 months. They have told me to do the online part and would be in touch but nothing. I know Cheshire fa are doing course but it’s 1 and half hours away which is to far for me unfortunately. Shame as Iv been enjoying doing it
Fair play to all none league officials, not something I’d like to do. Got to say though, 3 was only defending himself from 5, but I see the reasons for the red.
I like you as a ref. Down to earth and not on some ego or power trip like some refs.. and some coaches and players I will add! I’ve been a player my whole life and a coach for the past 15 years.. reffed a few times and ran the line but never at a serious or high level, but I have done it for men’s games. The abuse is mental and I even had a Greek fella threaten to damage my car as he claimed to know which car I drove! I sent him off after a deliberate foul and then pushing a player .. that’s when he threatened to damage my car.
Actually, I think the manager isn't supposed to be on the field anyways, so you cannot hold him responsible for removing his player who is obviously a hot head. NLA posted at the top of the thread that they have removed that player from their club, if anything further were to proceed, it would have to involve criminal charges.
The tackle 20:00 was like the udogie tackle in the spurs vs Chelsea match his first one just like it a yellow card and his last chance but then it’s like the Romero tackle he won the ball but followed through like the tackle which the follow through probably didn’t need to happen but I agree with you demitri… well reffed this game
I know the exact two you’re talking about. The challenge itself could’ve resulted in either a yellow or red and there would’ve been no complaints after. Thank you
The second yellow for the Three is very harsh, Hasn’t really done much there and as you said considering someone has thrown an elbow the situation could have been a lot, lot worse. Good call by the assistant for the five red as then proven by his reaction after it….
Look, if you go by the book, the player deserved the second yellow for retaliating. The assistant could have said it was in self defence which may have swayed your hand. At that point, i feel you have to make a stand to get this under control fast. Excellant job plus the fact you allow self reflection of your performance speaks volumes.
I think it's harsh too, but he did square up and throw a punch which did NOT land, but it is still violent conduct. Just like golf, when you swing an miss, it still counts as a shot.... If he had landed his punch, imagine the mayhem that would have ensued, the game would have gone ballistic.
Big learning point of not allowing a player having been sent off for violent conduct to walk across the field of play through all the other players afterwards.
@@RefsWorld when you went back to issue the red I would have walked him another 20 yards across the pitch before issuing the red. Hopefully then able to guide him off the pitch. Imo you actually made it worse running over to the assistant the way you did as you let the 5 follow you and then other players did too. I would have used my voice and whistle and stayed where I was only going over if I felt the assistant was under genuine threat. Even then strongly telling the 5 to leave the pitch and not letting him follow me. Imo the 5 was your biggest likely issue at this point and ensuring he left the playing area with no further incident was your no 1 priority. I understand your instinct to protect your AR but at that point they were only debating the decision with him. Imo you had to deal with the 5 first and not let him follow you. Having said all that once you calmed the situation down and the 5 started walking away from you both I feel you could have followed him at that point. I don't believe your assistant was at physical risk at that point but the other players possibly were. Don't get me wrong these situations are horrible to deal with and it's easy for me to makes comments in hindsight.
@johnfoster2824 You’ve made a very valid point. I should’ve taken him to the other side of the pitch, next to his team and dismissed him like that. I think that would’ve made things very easy for me and prevented what had happened
Pen all day long, shoudler in back. Difficult to see in real time but on the replay, it's clear. Mind you, the EPL you can literally mug a player and it's not a foul.
I think that your initial management of the incident prior to the mascon, giving a yellow each was well received and did not seem to have any complaints from either side. The AR feeding back to you about it being a red caused the escalation and the mascon. If it's a red card for an elbow usually you will know from the player reactions, the incident was in the middle of the pitch and he was in a deep LB position, perhaps was not the right call.
That’s what I was hoping for with the quick yellows and to keep the game calm. He flagged and I hope he did call it right but we won’t know. After the red, it certainly made the aftermath at lot harder to control
@@RefsWorld maybe next time as it appeared you were aware he was flagging you could have delayed the 2 yellows. Spoke to him first and then dished out the punishment.
Some (not all) of the fouls on No4 were soft IMO and felt he was playing for them - I would have told him to get to the gym. No5 should have received a double red - one for the elbow spotted by the AR and one for the elbow thrown to No.3 No.3 correctly received a yellow for pushing despite the circumstances. The foul on No20 by No2 on 19:20 is a pen all day for me - absolutely no attempt to play the ball and frankly no chance of even playing the ball at the rate he was closing in - he didnt even raise a foot to play the ball The sliding assault by No20 on No2 is reckless and out of control (do Refs still work by the 'he got the ball' mantra?) - Yellow was the least he could have expected Thanks Dimitri - really appreciate your posts and the chance to read views
I agree but he was still getting tugged and tripped and fouled. No.5 was bad and the club have removed him from their team. Some are seeing it as shoulder to shoulder and some as in the back. Refs don’t work to “he got the ball” but players certainly do. They were disappointed I even gave the foul. No problem. I appreciate the feedback
I don't think that was a second yellow. It wasn't retaliation, more self-defence. The guy tries to elbow him in the face and when he misses, he then starts walking after the other guy. You have to be able to defend yourself if attacked, no?
Personally I would’ve done the gesture of taking the yellow out and “crossing it out” for the 5 before showing him the red, so it’s clear that it is a red card for violent conduct and not a yellow followed by a straight red, unless you determine that it was a yellow card for AA and then a red card immediately after. I think it’s near impossible to control the situation that followed, since you rightfully had to defend your assistant. Does feel harsh that the 3 got the same punishment as the 5 when 5 was clearly the worse offender, I don’t think I’d have shown a second yellow there, but it’s a tough call and I can see why your other assistant would advise you to give one. Very well managed in a very heated environment overall!
He got a yellow for AA and then he also got the red card for VC, so two fines will have to be paid. I agree it was harsh and he was defending himself from the stupid behaviour of #5. Thank you
@@RefsWorldthat specific player gets points against him though for the actions of others. Is that fair? I know it's not fair on the player to keep getting fouled and I think morally you have a point. Maybe there needs to be something in the LOTG making the captain responsible for multiple fouls on 1 player.
@jaxonrox It’s not fair but can you imagine you was fouled 10 times by 10 different players. Would you be happy or would you first initial reaction be “ref protect me” I agree it could be in the LOTG. That was my way of preventing an injury and to be fair, he wasn’t fouled again
I think the second yellow on #3 was harsh. He 'squared up' and pushed out, but I wouldn't say that was anything more than protecting himself from a player who has, at that point, now twice earned a straight red. Not sure if you asked your AR, but if you had told/asked him you've already booked #3, is he suggesting a second yellow? I think #3 a yellow was more than sufficient. The two footed tackle is a foul and yellow IMO, two footed tackles are dangerous and should almost always be a talking to up to a red.
The second yellow came from the information passed on from my assistant. Unfortunately he did push out as well and put his arms up. I know he was defending himself but it’s still goes down as AA
2:47: Clear pen, of course. 12:24 and 13:08: Perfect management of the persistent fouling against the OLP #4. 13:41: - Did you have a clear view of the incident yourself? If you did, then the assistant is out of line trying to get you to change your decision. And if he was certain he saw violent conduct he should be getting your attention before you administer any cards regardless. If you didn't, then maybe you should have thought to consult any assistants first (who, again, should be striving to getting your attention). - I would *not* have given the second caution to the OLP #3. Had he pushed out first, absolutely. But where the NLA #11 initiated with what is just outright assault, a yellow card doesn't really help regain any control. But don't be hard on yourself for not seeing the incident yourself; that's what your assistant (who was wise enough to sense something might happen as he saw them come together) is there for. 18:07: I feel bringing play back here for the foul is too generous. The player has time and space on the ball in an attacking area, and chose to take on the defender. I think you bailed him out for just failing to do that, something the foul had no impact on. I'd say advantage was realized and play on. 19:00: Agree with the caution for SPA: NLA are getting forward with at least equal numbers. 19:20: This is more not-foul than foul for me (shoulder-to-shoulder, not jumping, not too much force; only argument against is playing distance is a bit questionable), so happy with no pen. 19:40: Follow-through on the tackle is clearly dangerous (contact high on the knee and lunges in two-footed); good caution for a reckless tackle. 20:17: The NLA striker is half-way over on his own reaching for the ball. Good non-decision. 20:32: Might have missed a foul just before - did your assistant flag? - but definitely a fair caution for the late challenge.
13:41 I didn’t have a clear view of it. I know I saw them squaring up to each other, hence why I was booking them. My assistant gave me a late flag as I was writing down the names of players. It could and couldn’t be harsh. It was always going to be a lose lose in that situation. I had to protect one assistant so relied on the other one to get the rest of what had happened and took his word for it. 18:07 - I should’ve blown for a free kick straight away. He was running into three players and it was just a poor advantage. 19:20 - Everyone has said no pen so far and my angle at the time was pretty good. Could’ve been wider and a bit closer but I looked in a good position. 19:40 - So many different opinions on this one. 20:32 - It looks like a foul on camera but he did make a touch of the ball, it just kept rolling back. No flag from assistant but my pre match I said, if I was close, delay a few seconds just incase I say/give something different
I rarely see things differently than you, but I wouldn't have given second caution to #3... #5 was really dirty, and some reaction is understandable. And #3 doesn't really do much there. I'd have let it go, especially because sending off #3 equalizes the sides, ending up "giving a pass" to really awful behavior from #5. Also, at the very controversial foul at 19:40 or so, for me, the defender gets the ball clean, then hits the attacker essentially with his butt. That is not very dangerous. So there is contact, but for me it's just a DFK, no caution. Really challenging match to manage, certainly.
It’s all good, this is why I do this channel, to hear everyone’s opinions. I didn’t see the aftermath and went with what I was told by my assistant. It’s very harsh as the #5 tries to elbow him in the face and that behaviour shouldn’t be allowed in football. Interesting point. I went with a yellow due to the recklessness of the challenge. I’ve had so many different opinions about this challenge
@@RefsWorld I'll be honest (and sorry I didn't get notified that you replied), keeping track of fouls on individuals is a skill I need to work on. If I notice there's been a couple borderline challenges by the same player (or on the same player) then I warn the next time I notice it, and then it becomes a yellow for persistence.
@Raider025 It’s all good. That’s one of the hardest things to do and when it’s a heated game, it’s very easy to forget who’s done what. Sometimes I write the number on my hand
I would have told both managers that if they don't stop harassing the officials, then I'll abandon the match. Players need to learn to respect the position and verdict of the officials, otherwise there won't be any in the future, and therefore no game.
He shouldn’t be allowed to play again . Luckily that guy had quick reactions to dodge it. That foul near end was probably a red in professional football as it was dangerous but you’d have to be a bit of a jobsworth to give it at this level
No 5 lost the plot. I expect he’ll not only be charged for his RC, he’ll also be charged for his behaviour after the Red. Ideally the AR who sees the No5 commit an act of violent conduct should have got the referees attention before the ref issues 2 yellow cards. This would have possibly stopped any confusion. The reaction towards the AR isn’t great and I’d expect at least a couple of YC’s. I feel for the other player who receives a 2nd YC after being approached by No5. However he’s played straight in to the 5s hands and cost his team a numerical advantage.
Completely! A report has been submitted and he’s also been removed from the club. It was a very late flag! If it was earlier, I could’ve done the red, wait for him to leave and then the yellow. The No5 continued his silly behaviour and the No3 had no option but to try and defend himself unfortunately. Luckily his team still proceeded to win on penalties
Wow, Refs work cut out. No one is ever going to agree which is why refs exist. Many quality first touches and a surprise players need to resort to playground behaviour.
19:36 - 100% a yellow card for me at this level, if he would have made any significant contact with the player then a red. One of those "Orange card" situations.
English Law defines this as Assault (but not Battery as there appears to be no contact). If you can pass the original video to the Police then they can deal with it. @@RefsWorld
No 3 shouldn’t of been booked for the second time. He has already been hit with an elbow. Surely he has to keep his distance between himself and the offending player in fear of injury.
@@RefsWorld that’s a fair comment. I understand the sending off bit harsh in my opinion but your a very good ref and I understand the reasons why. Keep up the good work
You cant book a player because an opposition player is being persistently fouled ,yes if its the same player doing it ,but not individually, where the hell does that rule come from
That law doesn’t come from anywhere but then how do you protect a player? Do you have another solution? That was my way of stopping him from getting fouled by 10 different players. I warned the captain, next one got cautioned and it barely happened again. It went from 5 fouls on one player in 30 minutes, to 2 fouls for the rest of the game
@@RefsWorld you can't just book someone on the basis one player was getting persistently fouled if that particular challenge wasn't a bookable offence and he wasn't the one persistently fouling
I assume you sent a report in for the player's behaviour when leaving the pitch after a Red Card? This would have been very close to abandonment from me to be honest.
I disagree just because the two feet he's lead with arrive *just* in front of the opponent, so he doesn't directly impart any force with them. Instead, he sweeps out the left knee with his hip, which is still (very) reckless.
Sending off the 3 was incredibly harsh he pushed a man who threw a second punch at him to create distance and protect himself he wasnt aggressive nor did anything to encourage that interaction .. your assistant gave you bad information on that one.
It is the referee's fault that number 3 has had to defend himself. He shoukd not have been sent off simply because the referee failed to do his job properly. Part of the referee's duty is the safety and welfare of the players and he did not do that duty properly.
@RefsWorld because it is the refs responsibility to ensure that that does not happen. That the player does not have the possibility to do what he did. But then to book the other player for doing nothing except trying to protect himself, simply doubles down on a bad mistake. Had the referee ensured that the dismissed player did not have the opportunity to attack, then the other player would not have had to take action to defend himself. The player sent off, should have left the pitch by the shortest means possible and not walked across the pitch. Perhaps you didn't learn that, but I did.
NLA as a club would like to state that we do not condone this type of behaviour under any circumstances, this player is no longer with the club.
I’ve refereed this club a number of times this season and everyone involved within the club has been nice to me. Even after the incident you guys dealt with it swiftly and removed him from the ground/area. Good luck for the rest of the season
RE the slide tackle at 20:00, if it was one foot it would be perfect, he got the ball and the other player fell over his leg, which is fine. But diving in with two feet - even if it's a clean tackle - is SO dangerous that it's banned for a reason. He didn't break a leg this time, but an inch further to the right and he certainly could have done.
Everything is spot on here. Handled really well. Good job
Pretty harsh on #3 in green, the blue player tried to take his head off with an elbow
I think at first I agreed and then when I thought about it more from the refs perspective - it wouldn’t be accepted at the highest levels so it shouldn’t be here either imo. The refs are trying to move up the ladder just like the players, and being consistent in what you will and will not stand for is king. So in the end, it feels a bit harsh but it’s probably warranted simply because it’s retaliatory enough to give a second yellow for.
Totally unfair. he is quite reasonably pushing him away and defending himself. The guy has just tried to clout him, and is then agressively approaching him. Its not agression but self defence at that point.
I can see both ways on green #3. Personally for me, blue #5 just tried to take his head off and his response was more of a defensive distancing jab rather than a full return of aggression so I'd have given him the benefit of the doubt on this one but you don't want to see this behaviour full stop so can understand the red.
Great videos by the way, just stumbled across them today. I'd love to do a bit of refereeing one day. Subbed. 👍
Everything spot on including 19m35 caution, impact area was low, and it was more the more the momentum that took the player out, reckless for me - spot on.
Tough match to manage.
It doesn't matter if the impact area was low. It's two footed with both feet off the ground. Red Card. Momentum is irrelevant.
I’m on the fence on the red for #3. The way #5 swung his elbow, he could have broken his jaw if it had connected, #3 had every right to give a little shove away to defend himself.
Also, I didn’t realise referees tot up the number of fouls committed on one player…and I’ve been playing mens football for 20 years!
He was definitely deserving of a yellow along with the #5 for their coming together. The second one I went with what my assistant told me. He had to defend himself as that elbow could’ve been trouble.
We take mental notes. I can’t have the same player being kicked 5/6 times in a row by 5/6 different players. As soon as the first person was booked, he wasn’t fouled again
@@RefsWorld it makes sense now seeing it. Players will complain about it being their first foul, but it might well be the case that they were unfortunate enough to foul a player that’s been kicked all game.
Gives a new perspective on what players might initially think are harsh or unfair bookings.
@@bestintheworld568 technically incorrect in law but for match control I get it.
If you explain in like that is it, but if you say foul tackle or SPA then it’s correct in law
@@RefsWorld but you didn't explain it that way in the video 😜
Thanks for this great to have a refs perspective of the game ❤hardest job in football well done sir
‘Shoulder to shoulder’ penalty shout in the second half - the defender makes no attempt to play the ball, just takes the attacker out! Anywhere else on the field I reckon you wouldn’t hesitate to blow for a foul🤷♂️
Contact is not shoulder to shoulder either, its in the striker's back when he is running full pelt. Clear pen imo.
Yeah I think I'd have given it - just seems to run straight into the guy with no attempt to play the ball - more like a human battering ram! 😂
1st pen yes for me the contact was more in the back and no intention to play the ball. 2nd pen no. You got the yellow for the reckless challenge correct for me.
Really hard to manage that carnage - well done and good job assistants- listen we might all see things a little differently, but whatever the case is they caught number 5 swinging and that’s good officiating - especially the way they managed it, protected each other and officiated with conviction and courage
Trying to get on a referee course myself, have started referring on games where they haven’t been able to get one (clearly been told I’m not fully qualified and it saves on of coaches doing it as there’s a shortage of refs in my area). Taking some good tips of yourself, i love the communication with the players and is something I always do. Wouldn’t have give the number 3 a second yellow if I had seen it but given what you been told think you had no choice. Great video
Do you know if there’s any courses upcoming? There’s shortages everywhere unfortunately. Thank you.
@@RefsWorld it’s the Manchester fa, Iv emailed 3 times in last 6 months. They have told me to do the online part and would be in touch but nothing. I know Cheshire fa are doing course but it’s 1 and half hours away which is to far for me unfortunately. Shame as Iv been enjoying doing it
@doughnutman9036 That’s really frustrating. I would say keep persisting and hopefully you’ll get on a course. Keep doing it 👊🏽
You handled the match very well Dimitri.
Fair play to all none league officials, not something I’d like to do. Got to say though, 3 was only defending himself from 5, but I see the reasons for the red.
I like you as a ref. Down to earth and not on some ego or power trip like some refs.. and some coaches and players I will add! I’ve been a player my whole life and a coach for the past 15 years.. reffed a few times and ran the line but never at a serious or high level, but I have done it for men’s games. The abuse is mental and I even had a Greek fella threaten to damage my car as he claimed to know which car I drove! I sent him off after a deliberate foul and then pushing a player .. that’s when he threatened to damage my car.
3 clean with the dodge on that elbow
He’s playing the wrong sport
16:00 After #5 hits out the second time, the manger should have gotten a red for not getting the player off.
Actually, I think the manager isn't supposed to be on the field anyways, so you cannot hold him responsible for removing his player who is obviously a hot head. NLA posted at the top of the thread that they have removed that player from their club, if anything further were to proceed, it would have to involve criminal charges.
@@tonyjofenig6833 Us Rules make the manger drag the player off if he doesn’t leave..
Love olympias goalkeeper pen style!
The tackle 20:00 was like the udogie tackle in the spurs vs Chelsea match his first one just like it a yellow card and his last chance but then it’s like the Romero tackle he won the ball but followed through like the tackle which the follow through probably didn’t need to happen but I agree with you demitri… well reffed this game
I know the exact two you’re talking about. The challenge itself could’ve resulted in either a yellow or red and there would’ve been no complaints after. Thank you
The second yellow for the Three is very harsh, Hasn’t really done much there and as you said considering someone has thrown an elbow the situation could have been a lot, lot worse. Good call by the assistant for the five red as then proven by his reaction after it….
Also that has to be a penalty at 19.20 😂
Good game though buddy as always from yourself 👍🏻
Look, if you go by the book, the player deserved the second yellow for retaliating. The assistant could have said it was in self defence which may have swayed your hand. At that point, i feel you have to make a stand to get this under control fast. Excellant job plus the fact you allow self reflection of your performance speaks volumes.
Don’t think I’d have sent the 3 off, guys just been elbowed twice and his reaction was a small push
I think it's harsh too, but he did square up and throw a punch which did NOT land, but it is still violent conduct. Just like golf, when you swing an miss, it still counts as a shot....
If he had landed his punch, imagine the mayhem that would have ensued, the game would have gone ballistic.
@@tonyjofenig6833 i don't think it was violent contact - the ref gave him yellow for retaliation but he had just been booked so a second yellow = red
Big learning point of not allowing a player having been sent off for violent conduct to walk across the field of play through all the other players afterwards.
Big learning point! There was other way to go though
@@RefsWorld either way I think you could have been more aware of the potential for a further incident as he walked across.
100% and going forward I will be. What would you do in terms of players around the assistant? Leave him unprotected?
@@RefsWorld when you went back to issue the red I would have walked him another 20 yards across the pitch before issuing the red. Hopefully then able to guide him off the pitch. Imo you actually made it worse running over to the assistant the way you did as you let the 5 follow you and then other players did too. I would have used my voice and whistle and stayed where I was only going over if I felt the assistant was under genuine threat. Even then strongly telling the 5 to leave the pitch and not letting him follow me. Imo the 5 was your biggest likely issue at this point and ensuring he left the playing area with no further incident was your no 1 priority. I understand your instinct to protect your AR but at that point they were only debating the decision with him. Imo you had to deal with the 5 first and not let him follow you. Having said all that once you calmed the situation down and the 5 started walking away from you both I feel you could have followed him at that point. I don't believe your assistant was at physical risk at that point but the other players possibly were. Don't get me wrong these situations are horrible to deal with and it's easy for me to makes comments in hindsight.
@johnfoster2824 You’ve made a very valid point. I should’ve taken him to the other side of the pitch, next to his team and dismissed him like that. I think that would’ve made things very easy for me and prevented what had happened
The penalty claim you said was shoulder on shoulder has to be a foul and penalty
Agree - no attempt to play the ball just barged the player out of the way
Pen all day long, shoudler in back. Difficult to see in real time but on the replay, it's clear. Mind you, the EPL you can literally mug a player and it's not a foul.
I think that your initial management of the incident prior to the mascon, giving a yellow each was well received and did not seem to have any complaints from either side. The AR feeding back to you about it being a red caused the escalation and the mascon. If it's a red card for an elbow usually you will know from the player reactions, the incident was in the middle of the pitch and he was in a deep LB position, perhaps was not the right call.
That’s what I was hoping for with the quick yellows and to keep the game calm. He flagged and I hope he did call it right but we won’t know. After the red, it certainly made the aftermath at lot harder to control
@@RefsWorld maybe next time as it appeared you were aware he was flagging you could have delayed the 2 yellows. Spoke to him first and then dished out the punishment.
Justice, in the pen shootout😅
Some (not all) of the fouls on No4 were soft IMO and felt he was playing for them - I would have told him to get to the gym.
No5 should have received a double red - one for the elbow spotted by the AR and one for the elbow thrown to No.3
No.3 correctly received a yellow for pushing despite the circumstances.
The foul on No20 by No2 on 19:20 is a pen all day for me - absolutely no attempt to play the ball and frankly no chance of even playing the ball at the rate he was closing in - he didnt even raise a foot to play the ball
The sliding assault by No20 on No2 is reckless and out of control (do Refs still work by the 'he got the ball' mantra?) - Yellow was the least he could have expected
Thanks Dimitri - really appreciate your posts and the chance to read views
I agree but he was still getting tugged and tripped and fouled.
No.5 was bad and the club have removed him from their team.
Some are seeing it as shoulder to shoulder and some as in the back.
Refs don’t work to “he got the ball” but players certainly do. They were disappointed I even gave the foul.
No problem. I appreciate the feedback
I don't think that was a second yellow. It wasn't retaliation, more self-defence. The guy tries to elbow him in the face and when he misses, he then starts walking after the other guy. You have to be able to defend yourself if attacked, no?
You can defend yourself for sure but it comes with consequences if you’re on the field of play unfortunately
Love the chin hairs on the top of my screen hahaha
Personally I would’ve done the gesture of taking the yellow out and “crossing it out” for the 5 before showing him the red, so it’s clear that it is a red card for violent conduct and not a yellow followed by a straight red, unless you determine that it was a yellow card for AA and then a red card immediately after.
I think it’s near impossible to control the situation that followed, since you rightfully had to defend your assistant. Does feel harsh that the 3 got the same punishment as the 5 when 5 was clearly the worse offender, I don’t think I’d have shown a second yellow there, but it’s a tough call and I can see why your other assistant would advise you to give one.
Very well managed in a very heated environment overall!
He got a yellow for AA and then he also got the red card for VC, so two fines will have to be paid. I agree it was harsh and he was defending himself from the stupid behaviour of #5. Thank you
@@RefsWorld makes sense, deserves the two fines as well for his awful behaviour!
Where in the LOTG does it say that the same player being fouled by different players on the pitch is a yellow card offence? Asking for a friend.
It doesn’t but I warned the captain that the next player will be booked. I will put the booking down as a Foul Tackle (FT) which it was
@@RefsWorldthat specific player gets points against him though for the actions of others. Is that fair? I know it's not fair on the player to keep getting fouled and I think morally you have a point. Maybe there needs to be something in the LOTG making the captain responsible for multiple fouls on 1 player.
@jaxonrox It’s not fair but can you imagine you was fouled 10 times by 10 different players. Would you be happy or would you first initial reaction be “ref protect me” I agree it could be in the LOTG. That was my way of preventing an injury and to be fair, he wasn’t fouled again
@@RefsWorld I understand mate. Like I say, morally, you're doing the right thing.
I think the second yellow on #3 was harsh. He 'squared up' and pushed out, but I wouldn't say that was anything more than protecting himself from a player who has, at that point, now twice earned a straight red. Not sure if you asked your AR, but if you had told/asked him you've already booked #3, is he suggesting a second yellow? I think #3 a yellow was more than sufficient.
The two footed tackle is a foul and yellow IMO, two footed tackles are dangerous and should almost always be a talking to up to a red.
The second yellow came from the information passed on from my assistant. Unfortunately he did push out as well and put his arms up. I know he was defending himself but it’s still goes down as AA
2:47: Clear pen, of course.
12:24 and 13:08: Perfect management of the persistent fouling against the OLP #4.
13:41:
- Did you have a clear view of the incident yourself? If you did, then the assistant is out of line trying to get you to change your decision. And if he was certain he saw violent conduct he should be getting your attention before you administer any cards regardless. If you didn't, then maybe you should have thought to consult any assistants first (who, again, should be striving to getting your attention).
- I would *not* have given the second caution to the OLP #3. Had he pushed out first, absolutely. But where the NLA #11 initiated with what is just outright assault, a yellow card doesn't really help regain any control. But don't be hard on yourself for not seeing the incident yourself; that's what your assistant (who was wise enough to sense something might happen as he saw them come together) is there for.
18:07: I feel bringing play back here for the foul is too generous. The player has time and space on the ball in an attacking area, and chose to take on the defender. I think you bailed him out for just failing to do that, something the foul had no impact on. I'd say advantage was realized and play on.
19:00: Agree with the caution for SPA: NLA are getting forward with at least equal numbers.
19:20: This is more not-foul than foul for me (shoulder-to-shoulder, not jumping, not too much force; only argument against is playing distance is a bit questionable), so happy with no pen.
19:40: Follow-through on the tackle is clearly dangerous (contact high on the knee and lunges in two-footed); good caution for a reckless tackle.
20:17: The NLA striker is half-way over on his own reaching for the ball. Good non-decision.
20:32: Might have missed a foul just before - did your assistant flag? - but definitely a fair caution for the late challenge.
13:41 I didn’t have a clear view of it. I know I saw them squaring up to each other, hence why I was booking them. My assistant gave me a late flag as I was writing down the names of players.
It could and couldn’t be harsh. It was always going to be a lose lose in that situation. I had to protect one assistant so relied on the other one to get the rest of what had happened and took his word for it.
18:07 - I should’ve blown for a free kick straight away. He was running into three players and it was just a poor advantage.
19:20 - Everyone has said no pen so far and my angle at the time was pretty good. Could’ve been wider and a bit closer but I looked in a good position.
19:40 - So many different opinions on this one.
20:32 - It looks like a foul on camera but he did make a touch of the ball, it just kept rolling back. No flag from assistant but my pre match I said, if I was close, delay a few seconds just incase I say/give something different
Horrid, horrid behaviour from #5
I rarely see things differently than you, but I wouldn't have given second caution to #3... #5 was really dirty, and some reaction is understandable. And #3 doesn't really do much there. I'd have let it go, especially because sending off #3 equalizes the sides, ending up "giving a pass" to really awful behavior from #5.
Also, at the very controversial foul at 19:40 or so, for me, the defender gets the ball clean, then hits the attacker essentially with his butt. That is not very dangerous. So there is contact, but for me it's just a DFK, no caution. Really challenging match to manage, certainly.
It’s all good, this is why I do this channel, to hear everyone’s opinions. I didn’t see the aftermath and went with what I was told by my assistant. It’s very harsh as the #5 tries to elbow him in the face and that behaviour shouldn’t be allowed in football.
Interesting point. I went with a yellow due to the recklessness of the challenge. I’ve had so many different opinions about this challenge
As soon as I heard there was a running tally of fouls on one player I knew exactly why. Course that's cause I'm a ref but still lmao
What would you do in that situation? Are you also keeping count on how many times one player is fouled?
@@RefsWorld I'll be honest (and sorry I didn't get notified that you replied), keeping track of fouls on individuals is a skill I need to work on. If I notice there's been a couple borderline challenges by the same player (or on the same player) then I warn the next time I notice it, and then it becomes a yellow for persistence.
@Raider025 It’s all good. That’s one of the hardest things to do and when it’s a heated game, it’s very easy to forget who’s done what. Sometimes I write the number on my hand
Just started watching these videos but how can you send of that number 3 he had to defend himself never a second yellow
He retaliated! You know you can’t do that
Where are your yellow and red card from?
I got them from refereesdirect.com
Thanks@@RefsWorld !
I would have told both managers that if they don't stop harassing the officials, then I'll abandon the match. Players need to learn to respect the position and verdict of the officials, otherwise there won't be any in the future, and therefore no game.
He shouldn’t be allowed to play again . Luckily that guy had quick reactions to dodge it.
That foul near end was probably a red in professional football as it was dangerous but you’d have to be a bit of a jobsworth to give it at this level
Report has been submitted. The county will deal with it now. I agree! He done very well to dodge it
@@RefsWorldyh also just edited my comment . Adding my view on the foul
The foul has caused such a debate. People saying at this level a yellow, higher up a red. Some even said no foul but it’s definitely a foul/booking
Very harsh red on the 3. You or one of your assistants should've made sure 5# left the field of play but its easy for me to say watching on youtube
Definitely not shoulder to shoulder. Penalty for me.
No 5 lost the plot. I expect he’ll not only be charged for his RC, he’ll also be charged for his behaviour after the Red.
Ideally the AR who sees the No5 commit an act of violent conduct should have got the referees attention before the ref issues 2 yellow cards. This would have possibly stopped any confusion.
The reaction towards the AR isn’t great and I’d expect at least a couple of YC’s.
I feel for the other player who receives a 2nd YC after being approached by No5. However he’s played straight in to the 5s hands and cost his team a numerical advantage.
Completely! A report has been submitted and he’s also been removed from the club.
It was a very late flag! If it was earlier, I could’ve done the red, wait for him to leave and then the yellow.
The No5 continued his silly behaviour and the No3 had no option but to try and defend himself unfortunately. Luckily his team still proceeded to win on penalties
Some awful pens there 😂 hard game to ref tho
They weren’t the best 😂 Very difficult game
Wow,
Refs work cut out.
No one is ever going to agree which is why refs exist.
Many quality first touches and a surprise players need to resort to playground behaviour.
19:36 - 100% a yellow card for me at this level, if he would have made any significant contact with the player then a red. One of those "Orange card" situations.
A lot of refs have mentioned the level and what the game expects. Definitely an “orange card” situation and could’ve gone either way
The foul at 20:11 is a red card. It's two-footed and both feet are off the ground.
You’re intro is you just giving out card after card! There’s more to being a ref than that 😂
It’s a work in progress 😂😂
@@RefsWorld it’s a good idea for content, I’ve enjoyed watching it today. Keep up the good work.
All the best
Elbow guy ought to be banned by the F.A. for a very long time. We don't want that as part of the game.
I agree. It’s been reported to the FA and they will deal with it
English Law defines this as Assault (but not Battery as there appears to be no contact). If you can pass the original video to the Police then they can deal with it. @@RefsWorld
No 3 shouldn’t of been booked for the second time. He has already been hit with an elbow. Surely he has to keep his distance between himself and the offending player in fear of injury.
I agree but he’s also got himself in a boxing stance and pushed the player who threw the elbow
@@RefsWorld that’s a fair comment. I understand the sending off bit harsh in my opinion but your a very good ref and I understand the reasons why. Keep up the good work
You cant book a player because an opposition player is being persistently fouled ,yes if its the same player doing it ,but not individually, where the hell does that rule come from
That law doesn’t come from anywhere but then how do you protect a player? Do you have another solution? That was my way of stopping him from getting fouled by 10 different players. I warned the captain, next one got cautioned and it barely happened again. It went from 5 fouls on one player in 30 minutes, to 2 fouls for the rest of the game
@@RefsWorld so your making up your own rules
@pjduff7577 Laws* What do you suggest? Come with something
@@RefsWorld you can't just book someone on the basis one player was getting persistently fouled if that particular challenge wasn't a bookable offence and he wasn't the one persistently fouling
C1-UB bookable offence
I assume you sent a report in for the player's behaviour when leaving the pitch after a Red Card? This would have been very close to abandonment from me to be honest.
Of course. Nothing like that can go unpunished
@@RefsWorld Exactly and well done. Your tolerance levels are way higher than mine though. Good stuff.
19:35 probably the most obvious red card I've ever seen
You say that but it’s causing quite a debate
I disagree just because the two feet he's lead with arrive *just* in front of the opponent, so he doesn't directly impart any force with them. Instead, he sweeps out the left knee with his hip, which is still (very) reckless.
I think a hard yellow is the right decision. Poor challenge, but thankfully, ended up winning the ball and not someone’s ankle.
I would have given the penalty on 73 minutes
Would you have said in the back rather then shoulder to shoulder as the first point of contact?
@@RefsWorld yeah, I just think the attacker still has control of the ball and the defender bundles him over.
The most embarrassing defending ive ever seen for that penalty 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sending off the 3 was incredibly harsh he pushed a man who threw a second punch at him to create distance and protect himself he wasnt aggressive nor did anything to encourage that interaction .. your assistant gave you bad information on that one.
Everything else was great by the way and obviously you could only act on the info you had,
@MrBulpo I always appreciate the comments/feedback given
It is the referee's fault that number 3 has had to defend himself. He shoukd not have been sent off simply because the referee failed to do his job properly. Part of the referee's duty is the safety and welfare of the players and he did not do that duty properly.
How so? The player got sent off and decided to walk over and throw a punch
@RefsWorld because it is the refs responsibility to ensure that that does not happen. That the player does not have the possibility to do what he did. But then to book the other player for doing nothing except trying to protect himself, simply doubles down on a bad mistake. Had the referee ensured that the dismissed player did not have the opportunity to attack, then the other player would not have had to take action to defend himself. The player sent off, should have left the pitch by the shortest means possible and not walked across the pitch. Perhaps you didn't learn that, but I did.