When Cuban MiG-23s fought Mirage F1s. In Africa?!?
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Our video talks about a forgotten air war in the heart of Africa. When South African military fought the Cuban military, intervening across the Atlantic to help our their allies in Angola. MiGs and Mirages fighting against each other, flying over a much larger, decades long conflict.
Music by Matija Malatestinic www.malatestinic.com
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Castro by Antônio Milena /ABr, Agência Brasil, CC BY 3.0 BR
MiG-23 by USAF
Mirage F1 by USAF
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Nice video
One of your best ever, great Cadence, nice details, good visuals.. well done sir.. Cheers Allan
Video Idea:
How costly would a US invasion of Cuba be?
@@christopherhoffer6643 not very, its not a real army anymore.. Like their Cigars the Communist's have driven it into the ground.. Remember the Castro brothers are Multi Billionaire Marxist.. western leftist hate groups are so very stupid..
@@christopherhoffer6643 this would be interesting
Cuban involvement in Angola is weird as hell and logistically impressive considering the distance and military capabilities of Cuba.
Yes. It is a fascinating history.
Russia would of covered the costs 😂
@@amacca2085 Soviets
Mei Day
Communists are the smartest people in the world.
@@cosmicwakes6443 funny enough none of the smartest people in the world at that time or ever were communists. Happens when you kill off the educated out of fear of uprisings towards your delusions
Please do more about historical dogfights, this one is very interesting
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War Football will blow your mind away. (Clue: last air dogfight between propeller driven combat aircraft in history) 😉
1965 Pakistan vs indian air force dogfight
* Iranian F-14 Tomcat combat jet aircraft and their aerial victories during the 1980 - 1988 Iran/Irak War producing multiple IRIAF air combat Aces which still rank today as some of the most prolific jet killing Aces in history.
* Propeller driven A-1 Skyraiders ground attack aircraft from the US Navy (and built during the Korean War era) downing Mig-17s combat jet aircraft from the Vietnamese Air Force during the Vietnam War.
* A Nazi designed combat aircraft, the Messerschmitt Me-109G (a Checzoslovakian made version, Avia S-99), the most produced during WWII, the most famous aircraft from Nazi Germany, flying for the Israel Air Force during the Israeli War of Independence in 1947 and most extraordinarly, US pilots who used to kill them during WWII now flying and achieving aerial victories with these IAF combat aircraft during the first Israeli-Arab War by downing British made Spitfires and American made P-51s from the Egiptian Airforce. Insaneeee!!
Operation Bolo is especially so, @Yeah Right. The U.S used the greed of the NVAF, and their eagerness to shoot down USAF bombers, to savage the NVAF MIG-21 fleet.
The F-4 Phantom II's flown by the USAF were equipped with a jamming pod normally carried by the F-105; so, the F-4's were thought to be bombers - BIG mistake...
I knew it. I have the chance to speak with a veteran, a Cuban pilot who fought in Angola and that man was a badass.
De verdad? Donde hablasteis con el?
How many people did he kill?
@@cameraman1234567890a él vive en un edificio de veteranos por Plaza de la Revolución. Se llama Alejandro pero es amigo de un amigo. Mi amigo se llama Osvaldo, que era de tropas especiales y que operaba tras las líneas enemigas.
@@chaosXP3RT at least two confirmed downings, a few centurion tanks and a lot of Sabimbi's people with air to surface payload.
@@danielbenitezperez6264 2 confirmed downings!? Damn that must've been 87/88.
Some interesting info:
During operation Moduler, the SADF managed to capture a soviet SA-8 Anti-Air missile system.
This was the first time, such highly sophisticated technology landed in western hands.
(Surface level) The South Africans shared the information and technical specifications with the US.
(Sub surface level) The South Africans traded/gave, one of these systems to the US, so they could evaluate it them selves.
Resulting in the west, being able to reverse engineer and understand, at the time, one of, if not best, soviet anti-air technology at the time.
Sth Africa also rapidly expanding their own domestic AA systems. Had the war gone on a year or two longer, when the Cheetah fighters (mirage upgrade to new generation), and the AA guns + missle systems (mounted on the Rooikat), the tide of war would have been very interesting.
And that was when they were on pursuit of the Communists, after defeating them on the ground.
@@freedomloverusa3030 Jip, exactly.
@@demun6065 It would have definitely been interesting to see, how different the war would have continued, if said technology was to see (or see more) operational usage.
Definitely, the domestic AA system, and surface to air missiles, would have been extremely interesting to see how they fared against the soviet technology. Someone I know (won't detail it), worked on the missile systems for their service (closing days of the war), and said how the new developing technology was several leagues ahead of the current systems used by the soviets (weather said project ever completed, I don't know)
But yea, I would have loved to see the ZA-35 see action and make it past the prototype phase.
The very famous G5 howitzer was also reversed engineered and upgraded from a captured artillery piece, there was accounts of this artillery suppressing airbases so helicopters and aircraft could not take off.
That was a surprisingly wholesome ending.
One of the great things about aerial combat is the respect between pilots, and how their love of aviation brings them together when hostilities cease. It's a level of professionalism that still persists today and gives some hope for humanity.
I fought as a paratrooper in this war in the late 80’s. The Cuban Mig 23 pilots were extremely reluctant to engage the F1’s, every engagement was initiated by the Mirages, the Migs choosing to use their speed to disengage. It is notable that in the engagement with Arthur Piercy that the Migs were forced to engage by the Mirages head to head encounter. They reversed and were heading back to their airfield when the second merge occurred. The Mirages were deep over enemy territory, 300km from home, with a damaged aircraft. The Migs were less than 50km from their own airfield but still chose to disengage and not go for the kill.
After that it was an air to air stalemate - Mirages were ordered to avoid the Migs and the Migs never attempted to engage, even though they could have easily attacked the SAAF bases in Namibia. But they did bomb the hell out of us at Cuito Canavale.
I am aware of one F1 shot down by a SAM, but I know of at least two Mig23’s that were downed by MANPADS and several that were destroyed on the ground by long range artillery fire.
By G5 artillery, my brother was part of the G5 crew at that time.
My uncle also fought on Cuito Canavale when Cuba was drafting all soldiers at that time, he was mainly infantry but he doesn’t like speaking about it much, he lost many friends there, really bad war!
I wonder if it was for diplomatic reasons, maybe they were afraid that if they started going directly after South African troops it'd give the US the justification it needed to intervene and potentially turn a war that had been a slow victory until now into a grinding stalemate. Or maybe they just didn't feel the need to do anything other than keep South Africans away. Or maybe the larger goal was to make sure that South Africa kept itself overextended in this war so that the apartheid government would eventually fall apart, that was what happened in the end I guess.
@@hedgehog3180 The old SA government gave power to the ANC willingly.
They were NOT forced to do it, all thanks to the traitor De Klerk.
Now South Africa is a complete shithole country.
@@hedgehog3180 The war was largely kept a secret from the general South African Public, only deploying very small numbers of troops into Angola - there were only about 3,000 SA Soldiers fighting at Cuito Cuanavale. Directly attacking SA Bases in Namibia would have raised awareness of the war, possibly allowing hesitant politicians to commit larger numbers of troops.
There has also been talk among veteran groups that some Cuban Generals said at the peace talks they were very concerned about SA Nuclear weapons being deployed if Cuban forces openly threatened to cross into Namibia.
It's entirely possible that the MiG-23s escorting the helicopters did not pursue the Mirage F1s for the simple reason that their mission was to escort and protect the helicopters, which they did by driving off the Mirages. Following to continue the engagement would have left the helicopters open to attack by additional South African fighters, which the Cubans had no way of knowing were present or not. For all the MiG pilots knew, the two Mirages were sent in to draw the escorting fighters away. It speaks well to their training and discipline that they maintained their escort of the helicopters rather getting caught up in the excitement of the dogfight.
Hahahaha Max, you must be one hell of a liberal/ communist to believe that. It's like the ANC museum in South Africa that shows how the mighty terrorist SWAPO and associates like Cuban and Russians was the heroes. My friend propaganda is a ugly thing if it is not the truth.
WELL maybe they were just not up to their task and besides they did not want to fight a war that they had nothing to do with. SA was built by Europeans and do yourself a favour come and see what it is now
Poor guy manages to land his plane, overshoots the runway, finally stops then gets paralysed by the ejector seat going off. Poor bloke
Does show the professionalism of the saaf despite equipment that could not compete with the latest Russian kit.
The conflict that showed the true potential of the MiG-23 instead of those disastrous misfires in the Middle East
First time they used decent version and opponent was on par.
soviet fighters should have a big exclamation point regarding their performance in combat, they did alright when not operated by arab pilots
@@gabbyprincip1575 If you read the Syrian Air Force accounts they shot down a bunch of Israeli F15, F16’s and F4’s without any losses, even though the desert is littered with Mig23 wreckage.
Yeah, Egyptian Mig23’s handed over to the US were tested and found to be superior to the F16 in thrust and climb, but slightly inferior in manueverabilty. With a competent pilot it should have been a fairly even match.
It kinda just got screwed in the matchups but calling it bad is a bit like calling the F-16 bad because one got shot down by a Mig-21. It's more often than not everything around the plane that determines how well it does, pilot training, support crew, weapons equipment, ground based radar and so on.
French planes flown by south africans fight russian planes flown by cubans in angola.
Mr. Worldwide
Hotel trivago
The Real World War
I’m from South Africa. We had the whole communist bloc here. Russians and Cubans . Fun times.
People judge on South Africa for its past but we were killing Russians long before it became trendy.
Same in Thailand when we r still the head of SETO after American loses the Vietnam war and leave Communism is around us....
(Fucking Commi Vietnam , N.korean ,Red Khmer , Commi Laos and Soviet with China )
But we still winning the war and still alive LAMO what a great day....
@@mrkotouoeji4267 But still starving. Can't eat freedom eh. Haha
@@mrkotouoeji4267 it never really came.to a conclusion because of internal.politics in south Africa.
Lol the forces that south Africa was facing never got any ground only after the south africans pulled out due to changing governments. Plus the rebels that got into government after the war ended up losing power to a bunch of south African mercenaries with out the help of.the soviets in the end.
You think the combined efforts of the rebels, Russians and Cubans against a sanctioned south Africa would do a little better..but they lost tank after tanks and ended up in unmarked mass Graves in the middle of the bush. That's almost worse than what the afghans did to the Russians. They couldn't pull it off with all that help..
My Dad served in the Angolan Military Counterintelligence Service while my uncle served on the field as machune gunner in serveral battles against UNITA and South Africa.
My uncle then managed to escape the army by a friend (the family payed him out). The next day after he left the FOB, the FOB wascompletly destroyed by an South African artillary strike. only few survived the strike.
We flattened the airstrip at Cuito Cuarnavale to stop the MIGs from landing there. The old red water reservoir is still there 36 years later.
Im sure we targeted that reservoir but hit their ammo dump by accident as it was behind or to the right of it. Remember the final attack to get rid of artillery ammo. My gun went forward again as part of a two gun team. 2 or 3 days. Too long agi lol
Interesting stuff. Thank you for involving African countries as I find conflicts between 'smaller' nations very interesting for whatever reason
The Cubans were there...and East Germany, Yugoslavia, Congo, North Korea, Romania, Tanzania, Mozambique, Brazil, Portugal, Morocco, China, Zambia...and let's not forget Executive Outcomes and all the other mercs who fought there.
World War Angola
Technical EO went there for round two after all the countries left.
My uncle was almost killed in Angola, brazilian marine. He suffered a MPLA ambush while driving a jeep, his teammate died with several shot wounds.
A lot of wars are increasingly fought with participants from EVERYWHERE.
EO were hired by a British businessman to destroy unita as savimbi was threatening their interests. Apparently they made use of oil drums with explosives to create an air burst fire bomb and probably would have been involved in savimbis last stand when he was killed. At Cuito they were Recces and 32 battalion troops, EO didn't exist then.
@@MarxAlex best part was EO fought for the MPLA against UNITA
As a South African, thanks for covering a slice of our history.
Several members of my family were with the Cuban forces deployed in Angola, there is no "perhaps" about it, the USSR paid cash per every soldier sent, they also gave Cuba equipment for free as long as it was used to fight in Angola. It wasn't the first or the last instance of Cuban interventionism
Soviet and Cuban were in separated mission, the soviet helped but they don't pay for each Cuban soldier. Angola pay for the Cabinda defense, the rest was a regular war like many others in the cold war
I love the detail of the MiG-23 changing wing sweep as it turned in to fight.
The Angolan war was between factions in Angola. One group promised to be communist so they received massive amounts of aid from Russia. The other group promised to fight communism, so they got aid from South Africa. There were even Angolan citizens fighting against Russia and Cuban in the South African and Namibian armies. Like 101 Battalion and 32 Battalion.
Wow, will look more into it, didn't know
@@serichejr My battalion, 101, was 80% Owambo troops and non-commissioned officers. These Owambos fought on the namibian side because of the atrocities done to their family by the MPLA. We reguarly ran into their families while we patrolled and gathered information from the border up to 35 km north. Our Ondangwa main base was at 17°55'47.40" S 15°58'56.14" E. We used the shooting range of Koevoet, who was the territory police. Our traing base was Miershoop at 18°23'33.09" S 16°37'18.64" E
@@Deontjie I thought the war had to do with neighborhing countries attacking South Africa because of Apartheid, today's South Africa's army has the potention to be an elite force....
@@serichejr In 1973 the African people attacked the Portuguese because they were generating and hoarding all the wealth. Just like East Africa did to the Indians in the early 50's. Some fled to South Africa, some made it back to Portugal. Most of the extensive fleet of large fishing ships was deliberately beached by the Portuguese crew. Still visible on Google Earth today. With the Portuguese control gone, civil war soon followed. Tribal warfare. There was no way for any fighting force to cross into South Africa. Crossing the semi-dessert in Namibia or Botswana would have meant certain death. If not from starvation, then from South African bombers. And Botswana was never anti-South-Africa. So that was never the plan. South Africa's government was attacked from within RSA borders. The ANC even planted bombs against Africans to purswayd them to support their cause. Then they switch to necklacing. This is where the ANC invented the method of putting a car tire around a live person''s neck, dousing them in fire, and burning them. Something still used today. Tat is why African people in South Africa will not vote against the ANC, even if they are dissatisfied with the ANC corruption. They will rather abstain from voting.
Anyway, the Angolan war started as a tribal war for power between the tribes of Luanda, and the eastern tribes of Savimbi. The USSR got involved by forcing the bankrupt Cuba into war. South Africa was asked by the USA to help Savimbi and we were supported with funds from the USA. Until helping RSA was not politically correct any more. The ANC and Angolans love to claim victory at every change they get. But the fact is that the war was played inside Angola, not in Namibia. (except for a few terrorist acts like planting land mines, mostly killing local Owambos.) Our Buffel vehicle carrying Owambo troops was struck by a triple cheese mine in Namibia, with no injuries to the 10 passengers or driver. Visiting the shot out Russian T34 and T55 tanks in Angola is quite popular for ex South African soldiers that took part in that shooting. Using the world's first wheeled IFV.
@@serichejr today's SA army is a joke of epic proportions don't be lying.
I wonder what went through the minds of those two pilots after getting in contact with one another. Great to see they not only had great respect for each other, but also were willing to work together to make something greater (such a shame the trip didn’t happen in the end).
I really like this format of video, Binkov! It’s great to see the big picture mixed with the reality that war is, fortunate or unfortunately, fought by people.
Piercy’s seat fired when he was on land; probably already stopped. The South African F-1s had Martin-Baker Mk4 seats made under license in France which had no 0-0 capability, so as the seat fired at under 70 knots speed, it “worked” as advertised and saved his life but paralyzed him as those were 0-70 seats and thus would work only at speed of 70 knots with the plane on the ground. Later F-1s had Mk10s which are true 0-0 seats and some users upgraded their Mk4s to Mk6 which were 0-0 capable too
Cubans flying Russians planes fighting South Africans flying French planes. Nice
In Angola
wait until you learn about the south african upgrade of a french plane using russian tech
@@jeandelacroix6726 which one ? Do tell, i'm actually interested
@@Errorcutive super Mirage with klimov engine
Fantastic video as always and you try to remain factual rather than opinion based, which I enjoy. Nice to see a part of my heritage being shown on your channel, my father and all my uncles fought in the Bush War. A great book to read is Battle on the Lomba
Yes, Battle of the Lomba is one of my favorites, I will never forget Skeletons on the closet… , my other favorite is Koevoet.
Hi my uncle was a lieutenant in the Cuban armed forces, two deployments: first Ethiopia then Angola. He says that most of time in Angola (late 70s early 80s) was spent chasing portuguese women, fucking around in Luanda, fighting in random towns, smuggling a ton of stuff and securing british economic interests for some fucking reason. 20th century was wild
sounds awesome heheh
Upvoted instantly. These are some of the coolest planes that ever planed.
I’m Angolan and I say this is a pretty accurate Video. поздравления коронель Биньков
Agg bly stil jou ver dommed khafer
Great video, loved the insight on the individual planes and equipment that were used in the battle gave thorough context
Loving the great story about the obscure air battle! Keep it up my man!
There's a very interesting interview on the Aircrew Interview channel with Cobus Torien, one of the SAAF pilots who flew Mirages in this conflict. Well worth watching.
This is my most favourite cold war era unsung war... the one that almost got south africa to become a nuclear power. Crazy times...
leading edge in medicin too
South Africa WAS a nuclear power, and then voluntarily gave it up - the only country to do that.
@@dougerrohmer not true. gaddafi gave up his. they still went after him tho...
@@operator9858 Wikipedia says: " Mohamed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said Libya's nuclear program was "in the very initial stages of development" at the time.[2]" In other words, he didn't have one, and if he was even close the Israelis would have kicked his ass.
@@dougerrohmer Israelis? You do realize how far away Lybia is right?
I really like how accurate you are with the aircraft models, your even accurate with the missiles used with the Matra Magic’s and R-60’s
A topic not often covered. Thanks! The comments are pretty fierce on all sides.
Wow! Loved the new animations. They looked fantastic. Well made and good video ^^
Yet another great video thanks for posting!
Been reading a lot of late. It was UNITA that requested that South Africa get involved (Jonas Savimbi had vowed to drive from Angola the 20 000 plus Cubans out. He had flown to Pretoria to ask personally that South Africa intervene) . With US support (covertly) to have a foot hold against communism, SA reluctantly joined the battle. SA was very quickly stabbed in the back by the US, and left stranded in a fight it couldn't afford.
The battle of Cuito Cuanavale is seen as a victory for both sides, because both sides had very different objectives. Cuban and FAPLA Forces believed that the Town was the objective and fought to not let it fall. South Africa and UNITA's objective was to break the offence ability, which they did (brutally) . But SA had no intention of attacking the town itself.
After the battle of Cuito Cuanavale, it was obvious that if South Africa continued to fight, it would force the Russians and Cubans to send more troops. South Africa could not afford a war of attrition, or a war at all, since they never had more than 4000 troops in Angola ever. Hence why they sued for peace. Not to mention that the Mirage Fighters could not be replaced.
(A Side note, the Atlas Cheetah was produced to be able to contend with the MiG-23's, but it would not be ready in time.)
The long and short of it, SA won a Military War, but lost the Political War.
Indeed.
And now your fascist state is no more
@@michaelhayes4231 Fascist state? Need I remind you that South African's fought actual Fascists, during WWII. Including my grandfather. I advise you to come visit our country, to see just how diverse it is. Sadly it is painted very black and white in history, but its far more complicated than that.
@@michaelhayes4231 neither is the USSR or Fidel's Cuba. It's almost like... nations change over 30 years. Who woulda thunk?
@@ZANDF what the fuck are you talking about? South Africa was fascist but fought against the Germans because it was a colony. Every heard of the sharpeville massacre? SA only got equality today because people had to fight the apartheid government
Good account of what went down. As an Artillery man we ruled the roost as is now shown in Ukraine. Russia learning from us
High 5. G2s. 10 call sign pappie. Gun no8. PACKER
Thank you for a very informative presentation, balanced in my view and also quite accurate.
Great video, and awesome background checking.
Great video. Have watched several on this theatre but learned some interesting things here. Thank you. Subscribed!
the amount of work and time you spend for each vedio is awsome
Bruh atleast say something orignal
(Or atleast with proper English)
My uncle was drafted into Angola war at the age of 15 accidently. Unfortunately, I haven't hear too many stories due to him mainly speaking Spanish around me (Which I do not speak) Love your channel and keep constantly edging for more videos. Keep it up!
We want to hear your Uncles story, get him on YT " Legacy Conversations " before his history is lost.
Great video. Very balanced as there is a lot of ideologically inspired hot air about that conflict. Keep up the good work!
"Death to the MPLA!!!" Black ops 2
Savimbi - "DEATH TO THE MPLA"
Savimbi - also dead
"I MISS MY HOME and I am LOW on FUEL"
XDXDXDDDDDD
I enjoyed the historical background and information here very much!
Amazing video. Videos of channel helps linking so many little historical anecdotes together and interesting✨😎‼
Very interesting. More like these please.
Concerning the ground ejection of Piercy: At this time, the old ejection seat version of Mirage F1 didn't permit ejection on ground like moderns zero zero ejection seats allowed. From what I understand, the SA pilot ejected on ground and static situation, which mean no speed and no relative wind. That can explain the ejection sequence failed.
He did not eject, why should he - he was stopped and in one piece. But his seat malfunctioned and partially fired from the shock of the crash landing.
*Thanks for informative video bro!!!*
Nice video from excellent specific channel video about dogfight between Mig23s & mirage fighter jet with clearly explaining of historic background of Angola
Thank you. A very interesting video. I served in the infantry in the South African army from 1978 to 1980. In 1978 my best friend worked for Denel and was busy designing new heat seeking missiles for the SA Defence Force. He eventually moved to Canada in 1982 and became a tech giant.
Kentron
@@useryggfdcc Sorry! You're right. It was Kentron in those days.
@@guytero8812 Which tech gaint in Canada?
I also moved to Canada after leaving Kentron.
@@useryggfdcc His name is Anthony and his surname starts with a D.
My father flown MiG-23s in the Angola War.
that's pretty cool, he must have good stories!
Impressive as usual Binkov.
Solid graphics this video 👍
Interesting Tidbits: South African knew that Cuba was involved until they confirmed it via satellite photos of rows of baseball fields in a part of the world that baseball was never introduced until Cubans came by a boatload.
i'd read of this - nice of you touching on africa.
Great way to smoothly integrate the promotion into the vid. I didn't skip over it (was busy typing this comment).
Thanks,very good video.
Hi Binkov can you please do an analysis on T55/T60 tanks vs Ratel armored vehicles?
T34 tanks still litre the landscape in Angola. So this was a bit of a (surprising) one sided battle.
I always thought it was T55 as their main armor brigades, with T72's coming in near the end of the war. On paper you would expect they have the clear advantage. I would really like to learn, how the Armour for both countries compared and how the enemy was countered.
gun cameras show the truth. Rankin downed two migs
As someone who was involved in the war in Angola, I must say this is one of the most balanced assessments I've seen about the conflict, even if only a small part of it.
Cool info about those 2 pilots at the end.
Che's struggle wasn't _just_ with "the oppressive Cuban government of the 1950s," it was also with the United States, of which Fulgencio Batista was basically a puppet. Remember, Cuba before the revolution was basically a gambling resort destination run by the literal mob lol. The Cuban revolution was an act of decolonization. Which is why they supported Angolan decolonization against the Portuguese, even over the Soviets. Which is honestly pretty cool, in my book.
"Decolonization", aka lefty wingnut jargon to imply changing from one bad overlord to a worse one. The soviets and cubans contributed their fair share to turn Africa into a hellhole of corruption, poverty and war, legitimized by the "people's revolution/decolonization" slogan.
It was a sham, just like the Cuban Revolution: switching from being ruled by the right wing mob to the lefty elite that eats caviar while the common folk eats beans.
@@MrAlepedroza lmao cope
@@elen5871 lmao, nice way of saying you have no argument at all 🤣 Cry, tankie.
The leader of Cubs before Castro seized power without US backing.
It was wrong of America to support him but we didn’t force him there, so colonialism isn’t really the right word here.
He was actually an elected official during ww2 so he was fairly popular at first
@@anguswaterhouse9255 it is the right word here n_n!!
The things that i always see in stories like this, it seems that after the war is done the pilots/troops that involved just chill out with one another
I think it's a strange world. People passionate about flying jets that are only available to the military, and therefore only really used for attacking each other. Maybe they don't see the fight as a personal fight. They never really seem like the chest-thumping patriots to me.
14:49 the animation when the mig and the mirage roll it's sooo smooth
Very good recollection of what happened.
The strangest Cold War episode is Cabinda, when Cubans "protected" US oil interests against some thugs who wanted to blow up parts of it. It can't get weirder.
No puedes entenderlo, porque no eres un estratega, como lo fué Castro, el quería evitar una intervención directa de USA en la guerra
Hi, Binkov.
Would you be able to cover every air loss/air engagement during the 1999 bombing of Yugoslavia, please?
You could also perhaps look at every version behind the shooting down of F-117 and perhaps come up with a logical conclusion.
That’ll be very interesting to see. You could also do that for 1991 Iraq and Libya.
"Sorry, we didnt know your jet was supposed to be invisible"
Thank you BO2
Your Animation are very good.
The Mig 23 MLD was really Dangerous
MIG23MLD wasn't as bad performer as western press says.
@@Rafaelleao1977 You think the american press would ever report positive about a soviet aircraft?
MIG 23 were in the Indian Airforce and performance was good
Then again Cuba didn't use MLD's, those were reserved only for the Soviet Air Force. Cuban Floggers in Angola were only of the MF/BN variants, the BN being a dedicated Ground Attack version and the MF being a downgraded export version of the very first Flogger model.
MLD's would have ripped the Mirage F1 a new asshole with no difficulty, those things were designed to go toe to toe with F-16's whilst the MiG-29 was still in low supply.
Mig & Sukhoi = brilliant Jets flown by sea turtles
Very professional video
Thank you.
The good old days. Great times!
The MiG built by the Armenian engineer Mikoian
Mig is built by Mikoian and Gurevich , not only Mikoian
@@user-me5oq3kl4h Head engineer Mikoian and his assistant Gurevich
That’s why the Mig is called Mikoian. Usually for MiG-23 I will hear Mikoian MiG-23. Just like the nickname for the AK. Thank you for the knowledge sir.
My wife's father was a Cuban Colonel in the Oriente Province of Cuba that was in charge of weapons logistics for this war ... Very interesting stories
lol that was a walk in the park for south africa they f up all of them hands down Greetings to my south African friends from Portugal 🇵🇹
Lol sure Thay did keep dreaming
Captain Piercy's aircraft wasn't a total loss. It was repaired at the then Atlas Aircraft Corporation by using parts of another damaged aircraft, so out of two aircraft one whole one was made. The two Mig 21's in Major Rankin's second encounter both were damaged but landed and the pilots are alive and kicking. The aircraft, however, were damaged beyond repair and were both written off - I guess they didn't have an Atlas 🙂
Note South Africa developed it's own domestic fighters too, the atlas cheetahs, based on mirage and Impala, (later trainer), based on SAAF f86 sabres used effectivrly in the Korean UN police action. SAAF now operates SAAB Gripen variants.
The Impala is NOT an F-86 variant...
The Atlas Cheetahs were NOT South African produced fighters.
I know...
@@useryggfdcc atlas built those based off information they got from IAI related to the kifir and Nesher fighters built for the Israeli Air Force
@@wwclay86 Like I said, I know they are not SA produced, not the Cheetah C.
I was trained to work on them since the start of the project.
@@useryggfdcc oh cool! Those are some of my favorite planes. Hopefully I didn't offend you in any way.
Binkov's your videos is the best evry youtube videos .
Love your videos!
I fought in that war, on the South African side. We gave them hell!
Its one of those wars where we won most battles but largely lost the war in the grand scheme of things:/
South Africa won the war for the most part, since the Treaty of New York forced the Cubans to leave Angola without the MPLA in full control, and South Africa could withdraw from SWA in its own terms, essentially creating a buffer against and preventing safe havens for armed groups targeting South Africa itself. it just didn't enjoy the victory politically because of international pressure
Trots op jou, boet!
Al my broers was op die grens. Ek het oproep papiere gekry in graat 10 maar toe eindig die oorlog en ek mis die army met 1 jaar. Trots op my broers.
@@gethgod2350 Of course, we lost, the communist ANC is In power.
Ah man i thought you doin indo-pak war of 1971
Check your facts! Cubans lost 7 migs in Cuito Cuanavale alone.
9 : 1
Hahaha yeah right
No they did not. They lost one during the SADF's attack on the Tumpo bridgehead from a UNITA portable missile, and another during the Cuban "Western offensive" when two Cuban MIG's destroyed the calueque dam's sluice gates, with one of the Jets being hit by South African AAA and crashing on the way back to base
@@ravenmusic6392 furthermore, my grandfather was there. I have thoroughly researched the issue and Cuban and South African forces suffered similar casualties on the ground, however, the Cubans decisively achieved air superiority by the time of Cuito Canavale. Aerial battles between the 2 countries were big events, and Cuba simply had better jets at the time. South Africa had already been sanctioned at this point so it’s not their fault, and despite the limitations dogfighting was not one sided
Here we go.. my favorites talking frog!.. good documentary, my little talking frog fella..
After a war pilots from hostile nations are able to talk with each other , despite having tried to kill each other.
Because its easy to do so when you a professional training and mindset that comes along with it. Its hard to hate someone who just happens to do the same job as you ,for the same reason as yours
Good video overall. The attrition rate of FAPLA/Cuban aircraft was quite high in this theater -- accidents accounting for most losses. The Stinger MANPAD provided to UNITA rebels took a hefty toll on Soviet-built aircraft too. The SA Army managed to destroy several MiG-23ML on the ground with artillery fire, and even 20mm AAA. The SAAF desperately needed better AAMs such as the Magic II and Super 530. Their old Magics and V3 Kukris were terrible AAMs.
Good point about the SA AAMs. The Mirage F1 was a decent aircraft for its day. Not top notch, but good enough for SA's operational requirements. The problem was, as you pointed out, the truly abysmal performance of its missiles. Had it been armed with more recent versions of Sidewinder (or any newer all-aspect IR AAM for that matter) its track record for AtoA would have been much different.
@@maxkronader5225 Good insights. The SAAF acquired the Israeli Python III in the late-80s as an emergency stopgap measure (AKA "V3S"). The V3S was too heavy for the wingtip pylons of the Mirage F1AZ so it was fitted on inboard wing pylons. The advanced R-Darter and A-Darter missiles came too late to help out in Angola. The Cheetah (essentially a Kfir C7/9 with updated Atar 9K engine instead of J79) would have held the fort against the Mig-23 until the Atlas Carver was ready to confront inevitable MiG-29 fighters.
Acquired AAMs were real problems for South Africa due to sanction
@@kidpagronprimsank05 South Africa didn’t have sanctions until the late 1980s early 1990s. So in the beginning of the war they didn’t have sanctions and still lost.
@@MrRight-fu1gf weapon sanctions were in 1977
Great video man...and accurate. You should consider doing a video of the Angolan war
Ah yes, the good old days. Best time of my life.
SADF vet?
Jou fokken legend
Danke oom
Sien julle hoe hierdie Cubans cope in die comments
Though I'm not a huge fan of the Mirage line (nor of France's willingness to sell them to literally _anybody),_ I always admired the Mirage F1's look. It and the Jaguar were the coolest looking European aircraft of the era.
The Frogs sold South Africa F1's and III's, and then when they needed spare parts, the price went up because of the arms embargo. Also, when South Africa could have used engine and armament upgrades, nada. Henceforth, they shall be known as Frogs which is not a complimentary name.
@@dougerrohmer they did same to Israelis. It's always funny to be lectured by westerners who never faced a real existential threat without any real support. They also handed SA over to one of the most corrupt and criminal regimes in Africa but congratulate themselves on their righteousness. Millions died due to thabo mbekis aids denialism and our failing infrastructure which is not being maintained. Corruption with chancellor House and Eskom. We never had blackouts despite war, insurgency and sanctions and then the west installs anc... The dream of a new prosperous non racial SA has been shown to have been a lie sold to gain power. Both minorities and majority lose but Europe and America got to sell arms and we still waiting for those mysterious industrial offsets to materialise ..
@@MarxAlex There are some things that the world has learnt, like "The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend" (Stalin), "If we oppose the bad guys, we are not necessarily any better than them, in fact children will fall down pit toilets on our watch" (ANC).
@@dougerrohmer The United Nations embargo prevented France from selling the missiles to the SA.
It was not a French political will. As for the frogs, they piss you off my dear.
@@olivierpuyou3621 So who listens to the UN, unless they want to?
A video game like that would be great I'd like to use the Cubans because I know the SADF would be a lot tougher to play against
I was in an operation in Angola that had over six weeks over 280 sorties of Migs and Sukois trying to bomb our combat group. The only damage was a hole punched in a water tank.
still lost tho lmfao
Well we achieved our aims. It was a limited offensive and succeeded in bringing a political solution to all. The ANC government also won, but after 25 years of utter shit governance has lost the peace. They are the real losers.
@@georgscharf1973 You lost
@@navajoguy8102 Hahaha. We had 35 killed in action. The Angolans had over 4000 KIA. If that means we lost. Have it your way. Hahaha.
@@georgscharf1973 UNITA had thousands of KIA, yknow those guys you lot used as canon fodder. But they were Black so of course you didn't care.
I know Arthur Piercy, he is still around living in the Pretoria area. He did not get the Seawind aircraft for the round-the-world trip completed, for various reasons, which was a pity. Building any aircraft is a huge and very costly exercise.
He flew the MirageF1 CZ. I knew one pilot from 1 SQN who was killed on the low flying mission at night into Angola, Major Copenhagen . My friend in the SA army special forces found his crashed MirageF1.
Me served in the SAAF for 12 years., we lost 2 MirageF1 and one crash landed.
Interested times back in the '80s.
This might be the only air victory ever attributed to a MiG-23, even though the ejection only occurred after landing.
This production is weirdly accurate, and to the point. A curiously well put together analysis, actually.
Love this content
Super interesting!