@@Beauloqs I hate this timeline so much fren. Everything went to kak! Don't even have the means to fly to Cape Town in order to mingle with rhodesian veterans anymore!
How are you sure? Time will still tell. In the army you must have learnt to endure and be brave so please work hard and build a united country. Black Africans need White Africans.
I never thought that I would see white south africans begging in the streets. But such is the state of affairs. I am sorry for you and what your family worked for. The same for white rhodesians.
Came from Europe and worked in SA for a few years in the 1980s. ..and can remember an expression from there to describe the narration of this film: PRAAT KAK!
Today South Africa has almost no railway, no postal service, healthcare and daily power failures. Cholera breaks out and unemployment of 60%. It was such a rich country? Even the national airline is bankrupt.
4/5 of the country did not have those services during Apartheid either. Are you stupid or something? Its easy to appear rich when you cordone off the majority of the population to live in poverty and exploit for labour. Would YOU accept that? If you do then you have a servile nature.
@@thedevine7963 you do not get it. South Africa needs to move forward. Advance. Or would you like your children to live under the incompetence of the ANC? Are you happy with your daughter having a 50% chance of being raped? As Zuma said, only clever blacks ask questions. Maybe you ok with that, we clever ones are not.
@@thedevine7963 the vast majority of white South Africans have roots in Africa that go back hundreds of years. They have no more entitlement to move to Europe than any African because whether you like it or not, they are African.
South Africa today is a far more unsafe place for everyone. Healthcare is appalling, electricity and water supply is failing, and politicians openly speak of genocide. Africa is reverting to Africa. Any good the British and Afrikaners brought to the continent is lost forever.
I'm from Botswana and I don't think we are going backwards as a country, but rather the contrary...from 1966 till today the next generation has had better standards of living than the one previous. Our big bros in South Africa are sorting out their issues. Unlike Botswana, they had a lot more turmoil to deal with, from apartheid and internal strife. All that will take a long time to heal. I have faith in our African neighbours. If you don't have faith in the people of the continent, that's okay. However by all standards, all countries on planet earth have increased standards of living. Whether that be the UK, the US, Australia...all countries are levelling up in some form or another, the rates just differ.
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
20 km from Luanda... no force in Africa was able to stop SADF. It was a directive from from the US to pull back not the resistance of the MPLA. It seems there is lot of BS history in this video.
I believe south africa move withdrew on their own accord as their allies abandoned them in angola so they withdrew to avoid being cut off they withdrew
Whahahaha, in 2023 today. This video aged like fine wine. 30 years after the ANC took over, we have daily power cuts for up to 12 hours. We have 10 year old that cant read and a unemployment rate of 52% crime syndicates running state owned enterprises.
How are things better now? There was a fire in a building in Johannesburg (31 August 2023) that took the lives of 74 people. How did the gas explosion in Bree st.(19 July 2023) improve the lives of commuters? How did the riots of July 2021 improve the country?
In London 72 people died in Grenfell when a building burned just 8 years ago. Stuff life this doesn't just happen in South Africa. Progress is not just one straight line, there will be set backs...one must have faith in the human spirit to strive to get better. I'm from Botswana and I've been to South Africa before. They are some of the most energetic and lively people I've ever met. Despite present challenges, I have no doubt that South Africa has an elevated future ahead
@@geofreyoteng As a South African I'm humbled by such heart-warming words. Yes as Africans we need to be optimistic about our mother continent and her future.
It is still the richest country in Africa, but black people had no opportunities and no rights. We were more of a shithole back then, and the legacy of Apartheid has still not been quashed. As a white South African, I can tell you: More black people and more SAns in general have access to healthcare, water and electricity than back then. Even with load shedding. If you think it was better before '94 you are retarded or brainwashed. At least we have a chance now to fix our problems. More people live in the middle class, people have rights, people are able to participate in the economy. Black poverty was much higher under Apartheid.
@@The1Green4Man Absolute bollocks, shop trying to shift the blame and face up to the truth: You are incapable of self governance. your IQ is too low and your lack of ethics too high to succeed. end of argument.
And Malema is still trying to make us hate the whites. They everything they are enjoying Today was built by the whites. Including Julius Malema’s Education. The whites are the best
At least the Southern United States prospered during slavery; look at Alabama now Backward. So according to your logic Slavery and Apartheid was good because Blacks lived apart from you all and your folks stole all the resources.
@@George-dx2sd It was working better for everybody....You obviously have not seen the latest comments by many so called 'liberated' indigenous peoples....And you also do not seem to live in the country so as to be able to experience the decline, corruption and mismanagement....👀👀👀
This documentary is spewing garbage...South African Army was definitely not suffering heavy casualties outside Luanda. Nor was it defeated...In the documentary wont mention that the South-Africans advanced 3000km within 33 days in enemy territory while battling the cubans and Angolans. They wont mention that.
I just wish they handled everything better back then coz they could have still have this dam country under control yes apartheid was not right and I don't stand for that but one thing the land was in good shape
I am Angolan. I Became a refugee at the age of 14 in 1975. It wasn’t the MPLA that caused South Africa.’s defeat. The South Africa army was just 18 km away to enter the only MPLA stronghold name Luanda, the capital of Angola, and win the war,despite the heavy presence of the Cuban army heavily armed by Russia. It was The UN that decided to demand that South African army withdraw from Angola. We the population were left at the mercy of the terrorist and tyrannical communist regime MPLA. They grabbed the power by force. They committed atrocities, massacres too horrific to describe. I am now 66 years of age, living in the safety of the U.K. However the memories are quite raw. I’m the lucky ones that survived the MPLA murderous spree.
😂Of course. I never read or hear stories such as yours from people that dont include running to nice, W Western countries. Traveling across the world for, " safety."😂
@@halfdome4158 from day one of my arrival. I worked hard, sometimes 60 hours a week, which included studying. I have been paying my taxes for over 30 years, and never claimed anything from the State, I also support the local community, and I am always grateful to the British People for accommodating me. I know there is a small minority that wish I never came here. However there is a majority that appreciate my contribution to this society.
Look at south africa now. They were one of the richest countries in the world. Even with sanctions. Now they are one of the poorest. The tribes can't get along. Long live Rhodesia
yes, i was born during the height of the apartheid regime in South Africa, grew up in SA during the 1960/70/80, even did my arm during 1976 to 1977, spent 5 months of my life in 1977 on the SWA/Angola border, did many 3 month border camps as we called it, all for nothing, but very few people know that if US didn't turn their backs on SA , SA would of taken over Angola during 1975, SA troops were only few kilos away from Launda when US warned SA that if thy enter Launda they will withdraw their support, in 1982/84 SA troops were deep in Angola,i myself was 180 kilometres in Angola in 1982, as u say it was one of the riches countries in the world and is now a sewage dump,
Our per-capita GDP adjusted for inflation is actually slightly higher now than it was in the 70s. Also, we're no longer one of the least free nations on Earth. Fascism doesn't work.
I'm glad to see this old footage put up for streaming. AP, the BBC, National Geographic, PBS, Frontline, and more have so much history locked away in their archives, and it's high time all that footage saw the light of day again.
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA,very few people know this, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
But that prosperity was only shared by the white and Asian minorities. The blacks, who made up 75% of the population, were largely marginalized politically, socially, and economically.
thers many viewpoints, ,i don't have an answer, Some say they were scared of a full Russian invasion of South Africa, how true i dont know, Others say a nuke war, US didn't stop SA, thy just said if SA entered Launda they will withdraw all tactical support, what tactical support it was i also don't know, unless u know something, ionly went to the army as i said in June 76, and was 5 months on border in 77, but never saw one Russian lol, or a Cuban, thy came later@@robinndjavera5625
Interesting that it is an American narrator. Apartheid was modelled on the previaling segregationist policies of South Carolina in 1948, and until the late 1960's there was segregated housing, segregated travel, segrated Churches, restaurants and segregated beaches in America. Yet by 1976 (8 years after massive civcil rights riots across America), President Jimmy Carter was lectring the Soviets ad South Africa about civil rights.
The US knew those policies were inhuman and counter to American values, and thus when politically freed from de facto desegregation, there was a sense of "aspirational" obligation to promote those values on a global level, particularly during the Carter administration.
@@kalixkatt For instance. Rhodesia "illegal state". So what? Says who? Like stating the USA in 1776 was an illegal state. You build your state if you are a statesman that is and you fight and win. Sometimes you lose but the Europeans are no winners as Apartheid ended. If whites suffer in SA we in Europe will suffer too, and our decline started decades ago / Sweden
It was never prosperous. It was a failed state under Apartheid: Majority of the population had no opportunities and no rights. We were more of a shithole back then, and the legacy of Apartheid has still not been quashed. As a white South African, I can tell you: More black people and more SAns in general have access to healthcare, water and electricity than back then. Even with load shedding. If you think it was better before '94 you are retarded or brainwashed. At least we have a chance now to fix our problems. More people live in the middle class, people have rights, people are able to participate in the economy. Black poverty was much higher under Apartheid.
And look at the mighty United Kingdom and The chosen United States Of America. Really?? Which country can you point to that is the this bastion of tolerance and prosperity that we all search for?
Who the hell are your WE??? 90% of the Population were forced into slave labour...had no running water or electricity...Do you think Apartheid was declared a Crime against Humanity for nothing ????
South Africa abandoned my Rhodesian friends to the international community. They ultimately suffered the same fate. Those who betray are in turn betrayed.
Yep. If south Africa immediately recognized Rhodesia Mozambique and Portugal probably would have. And then even Israel. South Africa just used Rhodesia while being far more repressive than Rhodesia was
The Rhodesian and South African forces were a power house. The USA, and other Western countries should have united with them. There were individuals who joined from these other countries.
@@clarencelafuentes4801 When things were going bad in Rhodesia the British Army mustered an expeditionary force. They were never sent.....One of the senior Officers was Ian Duncan Smith who was later a prominent politician..
@@MrPomdownunder the betrayal by the USA and others is reprehensible, the same as what was done to President Diem, Republic of Vietnam. As we know, there were voices in the Western countries for Rhodesia, Angola, Mozambique, and South Africa. I do believe that much more citizenry are aware of the hidden hand(s) that orchestrate the disasters.
Not true!!!! South Africa invited Rhodesia to join it if UDI failed Rhodesians also represented SA on sport SA sent thousands of Rand to support Rhodeo. I was a fund raiser.
I lived for a year in Cape Town and visited SA once again later... When I first arrived there My group had some orientation... I will never forget what the man said : "Please do not read 2 copies of Time magazine and have all the solutions !"
@@marcelbork92 well i realised that SA had a long interesting history. I remember Kork Ballington being booed at races ... Just to think white south Africans as bad people was somewhat naive...
@@MrPomdownunder Most Afrikaners were stanch supporters of apartheid huh some are now in the US claiming to be African American what a damn cheek, they're European. If they still ran South Africa would they have come to the US, dont think so.
@@maureenjackson2041You mean nearly as cheeky as the immigrants to America killing off the First Nations and placing the survivors onto reservations so that said immigrants children can claim to be American and owner of stolen land? And you wonder why the rest of the world thinks you are arrogant...?
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA,very few people know this, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
Why are you not mentioning how functional South Africa was?.. Electricity, rail system, health system, functioning efficient police, minimal crime, no potholes, secure borders, working postal system..... The ANC has 🤬ed South Africa up...
You are asking the wrong question and to the wrong person. The question should have been to the ANC, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT WHICH IS FUNCTIONAL FOR A FEW, TO BE FUNCTIONAL FOR EVERYBODY? Because the more u ask who won and who lost during apartheid, there can be no progress. @@kharkanas6779
They can't run themselves, its sad and unpleasant fact but demonstrably true. South Africa now is well on its way to the same state as every other African nation.
South Africa today is certainly not the promised land that many hoped it would be. Even former president Thabo Mbeki expresses his concern over how the state is failing. Watching the news makes it seem like piles of shit is raining down uniformly across the country evenly everywhere, and that the middle class folk who still choose to live in SA are just boiling frogs. Maybe I'm a boiling frog. It's possible. I've never really lived anywhere else, and as a white man, I live quite comfortably compared to most. That doesn't mean that despite my white privilege I don't also work hard for a living. That doesn't mean that working hard is even a good thing, or that it is virtuous. But, working hard for a living is something I enjoy, and in my culture, for as originally Calvinistic, protestant, prude, misogynistic, homophobic and racist as it may have been, hard work, is a virtue, if not the biggest virtue of all in the eyes of many of my people. Whether they even realise it or not. "Hard work is its own reward." - is a core value, and historically, whether by force or not, it is what this country was built on, whether we like it not, whether its a good thing or not. Being and Afrikaner and growing up in a farming community in Mpumalanga and now living in Cape Town for the last 7 years, I do believe that there is a glimmer of hope. But it is very unlikely that the seed of that hope will come in the form of the likes of populist movements and political parties such as the Economic Freedom Fighters, or the African National Congress in its current form. A culture based in historic injustice and a core belief in entitlement to reparations, may be just, but also hopeless. For as much at the ANC has lost its soul to opportunistic criminals, the DA, appears to suffer from an illegitimacy complex, and the EFF flip-flops around and pivots towards whichever tactical advantage is nearest in the moment, it would be naive to think that none of the political parties in SA currently have any semblance of a "core value" to speak of. But the EFF might currently be the only political party who has a core value, that it (or its leader) may also be unaware of: Like a crack addict, would do anything for the next hit no matter the cost, the EFF's leader Julius Malema can't say no the the next opportunity to rile its supporters up very fervently around whatever apparent issue... Only for it to emerge that his true message circles the same grievance every time, and ultimately suggests the same solution: Some form of retributive justice! That is what the EFF ultimately wants. Restitution / reparations and retributive justice at any cost, no matter if everyone ends up being off much worse in the end. Economically this kind of talk only leads to ever more capital flight and even worse destabilization and poverty. It also won't make this country (SA) more diverse, but rather even more unequal and more divided across the middle class and the poor, the haves and the have-nots. More inclusivity, diversity and mutual understanding, that is not based in retributive justice, but rather pragmatic attitudes in the interest of progress, I believe is the best way forward. South Africans are innovative, and diversity brings with it a lot of creativity. Why do you think the US is still, despite everything it does wrong in the word, regarded as the most innovate country in the world? It's because they're basically a nation of immigrants from all over the world mixing and living, and working together in all the different ways that people do. Historically, people congregating and forming factions around their generational trauma and mutual brittle psyches has never yielded much progress, but rather led to genocides instead.
The National Party aptly kept South Africa Free of Foreign interference. The end of the Cold War made possible the Kempton Park agreement that ushered in black majority rule. The landing of a Russian strategic bomber in Waterkloof Airbase even before the Ukrainian War shows clearly with whom the ANC is aligned. For how long the ANC can play off without consequence the West against the Russians and the Chinese juggernaut remain to be seen
We gave the new SA government 12 years to show where they intended to steer the country. Then we took the plunge and moved to Chile where we've been living, and working, happily since 2006. No regrets.
You just missed the fun of load shedding that began in early 2008. Even though Eskom's experts were warning the government of a power crisis in December 1997.
It was never prosperous. It was a failed state under Apartheid: Majority of the population had no opportunities and no rights. We were more of a shithole back then, and the legacy of Apartheid has still not been quashed. As a white South African, I can tell you: More black people and more SAns in general have access to healthcare, water and electricity than back then. Even with load shedding. If you think it was better before '94 you are retarded or brainwashed. At least we have a chance now to fix our problems. More people live in the middle class, people have rights, people are able to participate in the economy. Black poverty was much higher under Apartheid.
That's BS! You write as if the black people have no humanity. You know that's not true. Our own NPA white government lied to us why wouldn't the ANC government lie to its own people.?
and all because the US and European countries turned their backs on the country, especially the US which was originally backing the apartheid government fighting against the Angolan forces, dont get me wrong,i was one of them being against the border war, but it just goes about in the very early of 1970s US was backing the SA government and when SA troops were about to enter Launda in June 1975 US told Pretoria if they take over the city they will withdraw all support to Pretoria, but yes to think before 1994 so-called democratic elections how clean safe the country was, i grew up in SA during the 1960/70. i walked to school, rode bicycle, us kids in the streets would play in the streets until late at night, we slept in a tent on our front lawn over the weekends, slept with unlocked doors, no high security fences like now, one gets murdered in your own home now, even with all the barbed wire and security systems in lace,
The country was 'lovely' for whites only. Therein lay the problem. It was lovely for 10% of the inhabitants. For most of the others it was a life without dignity or hope. (Of course, sadly for all of South Africa, the leaders that came after Mandela have been a disaster.)
@@Waldemarvonanhalt for what? I’ll be visiting the African continent next year for 3 weeks and I’m not going near South Africa. Not interested in the place. I’d much rather stick to my itinerary of Kenya, Uganda, Ghana and Senegambia.
@@markmower1746 order? They were killing each other in the streets. Roving political gangs and all the anarchy you can imagine. You think the Beer Hall Putsch was a birthday party? Hitler’s SA wackjobs were murdering people left and right before Hitler came to power. He had to kill off the leadership once he took power in order to bring it under control. And that’s just ONE organization. There were dozens of groups like that in pre-Nazi Germany. Violent communist gangs. Order? It got so bad that it cost trillions of Marks to buy a load of bread. That’s not order! Lol
The South African army back then had developed armor vehicles that were bomb(IED) resistant, high off the ground with "V" shaped bottoms to divert the blasts BUT our US arny didn't use any of that in Afghanistan until thousands of our soldiers were blown up, FOOLS run our army
Yup. Giant, heavy, chrome polluting the entire Midwest USA. The good old days for sure. Do you remember walking to school in the winter and smelling all of the leaded gas burning while everyone warmed up their vehicles? Nothing like it. No one making us wear seatbelts! You could send your wife and kids through the windshield and no one cared. Great days.
There is no need to lie u stupid fool ..children in sa go to school when they arrive they get breakfast in the afternoon they get lunch free...when they go back home their parents have food for them from their jobs ir grant money ...propaganda doesnt help u...we will expose rubbish like u
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA,very few people know this, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
Life is bad for everyone: equality achieved! How wonderful, they think. Truly, many would rather everyone suffer than see others do better. It's immoral.
@@IansDrumsandBass yes I remember that resolution 435 , but as much as I was against the Bush war ,as I did my military 🎖️ training, even received the pronotro 🏅🥇 ,I was many times on the border, even went into Angola for a distance of 180 kilometres,but the truth or not all the truth was told in many of these videos made by foreigners who did do border duty, South Africa troops knocked the hell out of Angolan troops,if Cuba never got involved South Africa would of taken over Angola,but as I said I didn't want to go to the army as I was against the apartheid regime government
hehehe i love your comment, to think i was there on the border war in 1977 for 5 months, and spent so many 3 month camps there, was just a waste of time, i was in DEC 1978 also in SWA during the so-called SWA elections, protecting a school building 30 kilometres outside of Oshakati, only ten of us , if Russia and China never got involved with the bush war South Africa would of taken over Angola, US was supporting the SA government, in 1975 when SA troops were about to enter Launda the US warned Voster if we take over the city it would withdraw all support , in 1982 i was 180 kilometers in to Angola doing support for the food convoys,
@@BlackAura72 get over over yourself are u blind the country is run and ruled by blacks. Nearly 30 years and you see the results you figure it out. At lrast i habe memories of living in a safe secure working country. Your wishes came true you created a 3rd world Failed State stolen into bancruptcy
I'm curious how so many accounts of this period in Angola's history ignore the fact that Jonas Savimbi's UNITA was established by Maoist communists and in fact received most of their training and arms from the PRC. Holden Robert's guerillas received some aid from the CIA via Zaire, and later received assistance from the Chinese and South Africans. One the USSR helped Cuba support the MPLA with troops, Western support for the FNLA and UNITA became more overt but China was always more important.
This was also the period where China and the West started to talk, and the Sino Soviet split was at its deepest. Operation Savannah started in1974, the same year I think that Nixon and Gough Whitlam made trips to China and begin relations with the CCP.
@@chrisbrent7487 that is why very few people know about the USA was supporting the apartheid regime with technology and support and advice during that period, because in June 1975 when South Africa troops were a mere few kilometres away from Luanda Angola and planning to enter the city the next morning the US government threatened Pretoria that if they enter the city they would withdraw all their support, I can't remember if USA government was supplying weapons of any kind, I just know I was in the South African defence forces from July 1976 to June 77 and in 1977 spent 5 months on the Angola border, many lies are told in this video,if Russia and China never assisted the Angolan army with weapons and fighter jets South Africa would of annialated the Angolan army, because in 1982 I was 180 kilometres inside Angola territory supporting the food convoys suppling the South African troops,ad I was in the Panzer Corps, we also protected of the Portuguese people who went and fetched of their furniture left behind,and in one town which was abandoned by Angola army,we found tin food papers showing how Finland Belgium was supplying weapons food oil to Angola in that time, many other stories I can tell here
@@francoisduplessis2413 You might be mistaken, the West's sanction ended in 1994. Or do you mean that because of the sanction that led to 1994's "freedom" is what caused it to fall apart.
@@aussy78 I am sure black and white had a vastly different experience, but I would also argue that we all also experienced less crime and also a more stable economy, since although many people did not have, and some still do not, running water and electricity those that had had it reliably and our shops, schools, universities, hospitals and places of work could operate much more efficiently with a constant uninterrupted and cheap power and water supply. Those benefits we all had and now no one has it.
Visit Kenya, Botswana. They have done tremendously well. Even Libya had universal healthcare before it was bombed by NATO so your point that colonial countries are doing worse is baseless. India and China have surpassed its colonial satans in development
yes im from usa a republican and if we would uplift these people and stop the greed success! stop the greed its simple take out the corrupt. oh shit i forgot im from usa i digress
Because European colonial powers love to interfere in the politics of former colonies. They still need the valuable resources that come out of these countries. So pit one side against the other. Support dictatorships that are favorable to western businesses. The same playbook is used all overthe world.
South Africa has made such great progress since the terrible days of the 1970's. Since 1994 it has transformed itself, for *all* of its citizens, into the rape & murder capital of the world. And that is a rare achievement for any nation.
My dear friend, you commenting with your strong American accent.... if you would swallow a little piece of truth - here it is.... Why and what is the reason Detroit is what is is??? Because it is the S.A story, only on a smaller scale. :) Good luck to you, America. Time will tell. Keep voting Dem to speed up the process.
Do not involve south africa in your bs...we are a blessed nation ..the way we love our ciuntry....south africa is the most democratic country in the world...the fools that killed us are still here that should tell u a lot
15:00 Transkei happens to have some of the best soil and rainfall to be prosperous. SA government did not give them the dry arid part desert Kalahari or something. If only current ANC government could give whites the same type of land today!
9:00 Heavy losses?? Less than 10 troops died and a few unarmored trucks. Truth is more that US intervened and asked SA to standback as US did not expect SA to almost "drive" through the whole Angola up to Luanda!
Just propoganda BS. I was sure I blocked AP productions. But come back and make a "documentary" onhow well it is going with everybody.....just wear rubber shoes for the sewage water in the streets, military vehicles to handle pot hole roads and plenty of security.
THE COMMENTS mainly from South African whyts, is what went wrong with Southern Africa in the first place. Africa is big with plenty of land, resources, and wealth that could have catered for everyone's needs African or Whyt, if only some people had created these states with equal rights and opportunities for everyone regardless of their skin colour, instead people are nostalgic for a period that for an African is reminiscent oppression and stripped of our dignity, it doesn't matter of the economic benefits that came with that, even a woman married to a rich abusive man will eventually divorce him. Yeah black governments have not lived up to expectations but will you expect an average black man to fight to be legally discriminated against in exchange for having a job and a salary. Unless and until we can all agree both sides contributed to the present conundrum the status quo will forever put both Blacks and Whites at the losing end. There were no winners here, both sides lost
Remember there were and are persons who are black, including the tribes, say Matabele, Shona, Banta, and Masai that had wanted amiability and amicability. Potable water, good roads, good homes, and other good helps for the humans. Many worked in the department stores, refineries, factories ,railways and other employments. Problems by agitators were exaggerated. This to put in a person who could be manipulated and not concerned for any citizen.
Yes the blacks ruined it, because they are to stupid to govern themselves. South Africa is what you get if you allow blacks to take over something made by white people.
Failed state? South africa lol oh y god apartheid wont come back even if u can lie you bloody stupid racist lol i bet u even here lol in our so called failed state
It belonged to the dogs then. We called them Nats. How ironic that South Africa fought Nazis overseas, only to elect them at home right after WW2 was over...
Great documentary with great atmosphere. Its barely 50 years ago, but you can feel it was a better time for everyone. Never forget what "they" have taken from us.
Here's the thing I don't understand. If Africans hate being seen as animals, then why do you BEHAVE LIKE ANIMALS?? Not every African does, but far too many do. If people see black people committing constant crime, violence and generally behaving poorly all the time, then why are you surprised that people would think of you as a violent and criminal people? Does it not make sense that if you want people to see you as good, hard working law abiding people then shouldn't you being doing just that? If the majority of African people were like this, so many African nations wouldn't be in the turmoil that they're in to this day. If the majority of Africans were civilized and hardworking, people would see Africans being just that much like they see Asian people being just that. The fact is that this IS NOT the case with Africans and far too many are violent and criminal which is why African people have gained that reputation. If you want people to see you differently in a more positive light, then get your people to be more peaceful, hardworking and more educated and less violent and criminal and over time people's perception of you will change. This is the only way to do it. You can't commit so much crime and violence and force people to pretend that you're not violent and criminal even as they see Africans involved in crime and violence all the time.
Everyone was better off then, weather u want to believe it or not. ANC sank their own people deeper ever since on a spiral compared to most other African countries.
I searched everywhere for a good video with real footage of the Apartheid to get a better understanding of what actually happened. This was the best video i found out of hundreds on YT. Every other video just repeats the same bs over and over...
Have you heard of the Rudd concession and the circumstances under which it was "signed"? ...or the atrocities committed across this (and other) continents? If you researched or read more about the establishment of these colonies (and the types of unethical, immoral people involved) then I doubt you would feel sorry for those people.
As a young child in 1967 we moved to South Africa from New Zealand, I found it a disturbing place and the level of tension was self-evident, that said of a lot of the comments in this video are sort of superficial if overall correct. My Dad couldn't wait to leave the place, his complaint was they paid the whites three times as much but expected them to work six times as hard. I lived in Cape Town in Claremont which was a new apartment suburb (for whites), as six year old boys we would walk around the Cape coloured area next door that was very old, with Cape Dutch houses, we were completely defenseless and utterly naive, (our parents were just too busy elsewhere), but we were never harmed or even threatened. School was a real challenge, the level of discipline was way above NZ levels, which were also based on corporal punishment at the time. Anyway, I look back on it now as an interesting opportunity to have been able to view the historical reality of something that was a big issue back then. Nobody gives a tinker's about the place now.
@@titanicisshit1647 I see that you are ill informed. Non of the Pacific theater natives are doing well, they've been socially channeled outside their own culture and heritage.
What is South Africa now under a corrupted Communist ANC rule. In South Africa there are many tribes with different cultures . The problem is another culture cant rule over another culture. Please do some research on the current situation in South Africa.
This is not exclusively about South Africa. Southern Africa would have been a more apt titel. Southern Africa are the handful of countries at the southern end of Africa. South Africa is generally referred to in short for The Republic of South Africa
You should do another video of South Africa in the 2023 and see where it has gone
To kak
@@Beauloqs I hate this timeline so much fren. Everything went to kak!
Don't even have the means to fly to Cape Town in order to mingle with rhodesian veterans anymore!
The majority of the people are in charge now and you probably have another 20 years before being kicked back to Europe.
what about the coloureds or Cape Malay? genius@@jenkroberts8973
Yes and see what the consequences are.
My best friend that I met in the army emigrated to Canada while I stayed to build a life in SA. He was the smart one.
We have a fight going on here too.
Geez....crazy
How are you sure? Time will still tell. In the army you must have learnt to endure and be brave so please work hard and build a united country. Black Africans need White Africans.
Support Cape Independence
I never thought that I would see white south africans begging in the streets. But such is the state of affairs.
I am sorry for you and what your family worked for. The same for white rhodesians.
Came from Europe and worked in SA for a few years in the 1980s. ..and can remember an expression from there to describe the narration of this film: PRAAT KAK!
True story. Very good example of Western and Israeli propaganda
Praat n klomp kak
😂 netso
😂😂😂
Teveel kak😅
Today South Africa has almost no railway, no postal service, healthcare and daily power failures.
Cholera breaks out and unemployment of 60%.
It was such a rich country?
Even the national airline is bankrupt.
4/5 of the country did not have those services during Apartheid either. Are you stupid or something?
Its easy to appear rich when you cordone off the majority of the population to live in poverty and exploit for labour.
Would YOU accept that? If you do then you have a servile nature.
Europe has everything in order yet you refuse to go there.
SA is so fucked
@@thedevine7963 you do not get it. South Africa needs to move forward. Advance. Or would you like your children to live under the incompetence of the ANC? Are you happy with your daughter having a 50% chance of being raped? As Zuma said, only clever blacks ask questions. Maybe you ok with that, we clever ones are not.
@@thedevine7963 the vast majority of white South Africans have roots in Africa that go back hundreds of years. They have no more entitlement to move to Europe than any African because whether you like it or not, they are African.
South Africa today is a far more unsafe place for everyone. Healthcare is appalling, electricity and water supply is failing, and politicians openly speak of genocide. Africa is reverting to Africa. Any good the British and Afrikaners brought to the continent is lost forever.
I'm from Botswana and I don't think we are going backwards as a country, but rather the contrary...from 1966 till today the next generation has had better standards of living than the one previous. Our big bros in South Africa are sorting out their issues. Unlike Botswana, they had a lot more turmoil to deal with, from apartheid and internal strife. All that will take a long time to heal. I have faith in our African neighbours. If you don't have faith in the people of the continent, that's okay. However by all standards, all countries on planet earth have increased standards of living. Whether that be the UK, the US, Australia...all countries are levelling up in some form or another, the rates just differ.
Most newly independent country have their own turmoil at first.
what so hard to understand about "every newly independent nation" ? Do you think racist white people only colonized South Africa ? @@MFKR696
Yes! The world should have allowed us to keep killing them than allowing them to be free. Got you on that.
@@MFKR696what were the other benefits?
And we've all seen what a great job Mugabe has done... 🙄
😂😂
He kicked you guys out .. that is all that matters. Go back to Europe that is where you belong.
what about ALL those that were born there over generations, want some US blacks because they are black? Idiot@@jenkroberts8973
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
so were my doctor colleagues, all came back skinny and without suntan, @@Palmstreet-u7x
20 km from Luanda... no force in Africa was able to stop SADF. It was a directive from from the US to pull back not the resistance of the MPLA. It seems there is lot of BS history in this video.
Your head is full of BS and denials.
I agree. Seems like a commie-propaganda film from the early '80s.
I believe south africa move withdrew on their own accord as their allies abandoned them in angola so they withdrew to avoid being cut off they withdrew
@@rsacitizen6151 I believe this and that. haha. The Cubans beat the crap out of the South Africans.
no, was there, seen that, done that, and returned @@mymore195
Look how it turned out
Who was surprised among the Europeans? But it DID turn out very well for the presidents and their close mates ; EXTREMELY WELL.
the sh!t hole that is now? you jest @@trife7419
Communist failed state!
Turned out fine in south africa we happy ...so u were saying?
@@mandisiduze1906 How’s the brown out today
Whahahaha, in 2023 today.
This video aged like fine wine. 30 years after the ANC took over, we have daily power cuts for up to 12 hours. We have 10 year old that cant read and a unemployment rate of 52% crime syndicates running state owned enterprises.
Die fokin kaffir boeties was mos groooooot fokin bek. Nou is ons land in sy poes in ons word uit gemoor.
Yup, racist kaffa rule has shown which regime was more evil, ANC hands down, black rule hands down
Stop lying you racist idiot there is no power cuts up to 12 hours there has never been ..leave our country instead of lying unproved
and there are no Whites only signs, serving the racists
@@FHARTZENGIGGLES lol, only brave on youtube. snowflake
How are things better now? There was a fire in a building in Johannesburg (31 August 2023) that took the lives of 74 people. How did the gas explosion in Bree st.(19 July 2023) improve the lives of commuters? How did the riots of July 2021 improve the country?
You'll be surprised that there were fires in Canada/ Greece and America that claimed hundreds of lives, you think it's just SA.
In London 72 people died in Grenfell when a building burned just 8 years ago. Stuff life this doesn't just happen in South Africa. Progress is not just one straight line, there will be set backs...one must have faith in the human spirit to strive to get better. I'm from Botswana and I've been to South Africa before. They are some of the most energetic and lively people I've ever met. Despite present challenges, I have no doubt that South Africa has an elevated future ahead
@@geofreyoteng As a South African I'm humbled by such heart-warming words. Yes as Africans we need to be optimistic about our mother continent and her future.
the lives of many black south Africans were improved because white used to oppress them in all sectors.
Only unlawful foreigners lives were taken, so we can't be concerned about thst
Decades later: some mysterious forces turned SA into a total s-hole.
Its called the shit skin paeodphile. The racist marxist terrorist
Just wait until the EFF gets some real power, YIKES!
@@jemerage8885you talking kaak sa is fine...f off with your propaganda to eurppe u fumb fool
The n word mysterious forces hahaha
Whites made the problem. You can’t have an apartheid that targets 80% of the country for half a century and expect things to be Ight when it ends.
Crazy how South Africa went from near hegemon in the region to what's turning into a failed state
they did it to themselves back then all the way to now
Same with once rich Venezuela 🇻🇪
They need more white immigrants. They were just too few. Demographics is destiny.
@@StaalBurgher0we need to save Europe, the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.
@@StaalBurgher0m l I 89 I o😅o
Back when it was the richest and most powerful country in Africa.
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THE SOUTH AFRICAN CURRENCY THE RAND WAS MORE POWERFUL THAN THE US DOLLAR AT THAT TIME
The seventies just seemed better I live in NY and I wasn't alive then but my dad said NY was better then just a few areas were super bad
Militarily speaking there were several countries that were stronger (egypt for example) but it was definitely the richest by a huge margin.
It is still the richest country in Africa, but black people had no opportunities and no rights. We were more of a shithole back then, and the legacy of Apartheid has still not been quashed. As a white South African, I can tell you: More black people and more SAns in general have access to healthcare, water and electricity than back then. Even with load shedding. If you think it was better before '94 you are retarded or brainwashed. At least we have a chance now to fix our problems. More people live in the middle class, people have rights, people are able to participate in the economy. Black poverty was much higher under Apartheid.
Yes and look where we are today 2024
Tsek to Australia vark
And the world must be proud of what they left South Africa with in 2024.
It was their goal, to tear down a rival power and leave it in ruins
@@The1Green4Man Absolute bollocks, shop trying to shift the blame and face up to the truth: You are incapable of self governance.
your IQ is too low and your lack of ethics too high to succeed.
end of argument.
.... Which World 🌍
@@The1Green4Man... Who's Goal Please ???
i blame the commie labour party of britian
Now they bob across on the Med with rubber boats to get to Europe....
that is not true you don’t see any black of Southern Africa running to Europe ok folks you are seeing in boats are mostly from west& central Africa ok
How do you know they are called Bob ??.
@@fampiemesangare913 Give it a little more time, there's still stuff to steal and it's further away.
Tbh I don't see South Africans doing that yet. Give it time though.
Allusion @@fampiemesangare913
At least the country was working. Look at it nowadays, totally broken.
And Malema is still trying to make us hate the whites. They everything they are enjoying Today was built by the whites. Including Julius Malema’s Education. The whites are the best
At least the Southern United States prospered during slavery; look at Alabama now Backward. So according to your logic Slavery and Apartheid was good because Blacks lived apart from you all and your folks stole all the resources.
Working for the Nazis not the original owners!
Working for who exactly ?
@@George-dx2sd It was working better for everybody....You obviously have not seen the latest comments by many so called 'liberated' indigenous peoples....And you also do not seem to live in the country so as to be able to experience the decline, corruption and mismanagement....👀👀👀
This documentary is spewing garbage...South African Army was definitely not suffering heavy casualties outside Luanda. Nor was it defeated...In the documentary wont mention that the South-Africans advanced 3000km within 33 days in enemy territory while battling the cubans and Angolans. They wont mention that.
Ja nee, DIE is 'n moerse pot kak.
Well said.all cuban backed garbage
I was there they lying 😂😂😂
I just wish they handled everything better back then coz they could have still have this dam country under control yes apartheid was not right and I don't stand for that but one thing the land was in good shape
its a british Iiberal era, already mined by tiny hats
I am Angolan. I Became a refugee at the age of 14 in 1975. It wasn’t the MPLA that caused South Africa.’s defeat. The South Africa army was just 18 km away to enter the only MPLA stronghold name Luanda, the capital of Angola, and win the war,despite the heavy presence of the Cuban army heavily armed by Russia. It was The UN that decided to demand that South African army withdraw from Angola. We the population were left at the mercy of the terrorist and tyrannical communist regime MPLA. They grabbed the power by force. They committed atrocities, massacres too horrific to describe. I am now 66 years of age, living in the safety of the U.K. However the memories are quite raw. I’m the lucky ones that survived the MPLA murderous spree.
That's so sad, the UN are so cruel
100% CORRECT!!!
Thank you sir for speaking the whole truth ...!!!!!!
😂Of course. I never read or hear stories such as yours from people that dont include running to nice, W Western countries. Traveling across the world for, " safety."😂
@@halfdome4158 from day one of my arrival. I worked hard, sometimes 60 hours a week, which included studying. I have been paying my taxes for over 30 years, and never claimed anything from the State, I also support the local community, and I am always grateful to the British People for accommodating me. I know there is a small minority that wish I never came here. However there is a majority that appreciate my contribution to this society.
Look at south africa now. They were one of the richest countries in the world. Even with sanctions. Now they are one of the poorest. The tribes can't get along. Long live Rhodesia
The whites in SA had the Richest and highest living standards. No black people or any other people of colour
yes, i was born during the height of the apartheid regime in South Africa, grew up in SA during the 1960/70/80, even did my arm during 1976 to 1977, spent 5 months of my life in 1977 on the SWA/Angola border, did many 3 month border camps as we called it, all for nothing, but very few people know that if US didn't turn their backs on SA , SA would of taken over Angola during 1975, SA troops were only few kilos away from Launda when US warned SA that if thy enter Launda they will withdraw their support, in 1982/84 SA troops were deep in Angola,i myself was 180 kilometres in Angola in 1982, as u say it was one of the riches countries in the world and is now a sewage dump,
You are nuts 😂😂😂😂
Our per-capita GDP adjusted for inflation is actually slightly higher now than it was in the 70s. Also, we're no longer one of the least free nations on Earth. Fascism doesn't work.
@@Palmstreet-u7x not all for nothing, If not for that war, we would have been Cuba x 100 in the 70s already.
I'm glad to see this old footage put up for streaming. AP, the BBC, National Geographic, PBS, Frontline, and more have so much history locked away in their archives, and it's high time all that footage saw the light of day again.
And they have done so much with their independence. Sarcasm.
@@koalaeinstein-y7r it was a better song than a reality
@@koalaeinstein-y7r his people are still using those old slogans. Like the Clown 🤡 Julius Malema
dig him up?, would stink too much @@koalaeinstein-y7r
At least they’re free. Nothing tops that. The same thing that make you laugh,will make you cry
Yes all black homes have eletricity and water and are citizen....bloody racist thug
Check how prosperous south Africa used to be . Check how stuffed up and broken down this country is now .
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA,very few people know this, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
But that prosperity was only shared by the white and Asian minorities. The blacks, who made up 75% of the population, were largely marginalized politically, socially, and economically.
@@Palmstreet-u7xwhy did the States stop SA?
thers many viewpoints, ,i don't have an answer, Some say they were scared of a full Russian invasion of South Africa, how true i dont know, Others say a nuke war, US didn't stop SA, thy just said if SA entered Launda they will withdraw all tactical support, what tactical support it was i also don't know, unless u know something, ionly went to the army as i said in June 76, and was 5 months on border in 77, but never saw one Russian lol, or a Cuban, thy came later@@robinndjavera5625
You fvvkin Nazi
Interesting that it is an American narrator. Apartheid was modelled on the previaling segregationist policies of South Carolina in 1948, and until the late 1960's there was segregated housing, segregated travel, segrated Churches, restaurants and segregated beaches in America. Yet by 1976 (8 years after massive civcil rights riots across America), President Jimmy Carter was lectring the Soviets ad South Africa about civil rights.
The US knew those policies were inhuman and counter to American values, and thus when politically freed from de facto desegregation, there was a sense of "aspirational" obligation to promote those values on a global level, particularly during the Carter administration.
@@math4life95 That's one way of defining hyposrisy I suppose.
@@richardduplessis1090It's not hypocrisy if you're no longer doing the bad thing you're telling others not to do.
@@kg356 OK., let's substitute the word "hypocrisy" with "sanctimonious, preachy self righteousness"
@@kg356 Where are the sanctions on Israel?
The reporter needs to get his facts straight
Your mother needs to get her "facts" straight.
@LarsTragel-zh7ei where u there no ...sit down boy ...u know nothing...this is soviet sponsored 💩💩💩💩.....no idea what u talking about.....fool
quite obvious a anti white propaganda piece endoresed by globohomo chiosenites
What facts are wrong?
@@kalixkatt For instance. Rhodesia "illegal state". So what? Says who? Like stating the USA in 1776 was an illegal state. You build your state if you are a statesman that is and you fight and win. Sometimes you lose but the Europeans are no winners as Apartheid ended. If whites suffer in SA we in Europe will suffer too, and our decline started decades ago / Sweden
And look at the once prosperous South Africa now. Hasn’t it all worked out wonderfully for every citizen?…..
Worked just fine or u want the goverment to take whites wealth fircefully?
It was never prosperous. It was a failed state under Apartheid: Majority of the population had no opportunities and no rights. We were more of a shithole back then, and the legacy of Apartheid has still not been quashed. As a white South African, I can tell you: More black people and more SAns in general have access to healthcare, water and electricity than back then. Even with load shedding. If you think it was better before '94 you are retarded or brainwashed. At least we have a chance now to fix our problems. More people live in the middle class, people have rights, people are able to participate in the economy. Black poverty was much higher under Apartheid.
Sarcasm at its best.
And look at the mighty United Kingdom and The chosen United States Of America. Really?? Which country can you point to that is the this bastion of tolerance and prosperity that we all search for?
At least we did not drink sewerage water...we had trains and order..
Who the hell are your WE??? 90% of the Population were forced into slave labour...had no running water or electricity...Do you think Apartheid was declared a Crime against Humanity for nothing ????
There are trains and order in Europe. Stay there.
@@desertdetroiter428you don't want to live do you?
@@markmower1746 whether or not I want to live is none of your concern.
@@desertdetroiter428 it's always been that way.
South Africa is going down fast
You wish u racist thug
Go to Europe you won't be missed
@@tindo9833 Buy me a ticket and I'll go right now, you won't be missed either.
Go back to Europe where it's WHITE ALL DAY then and quite your bitching
@@tindo9833 Europe no, Australia.
South Africa abandoned my Rhodesian friends to the international community. They ultimately suffered the same fate.
Those who betray are in turn betrayed.
Yep. If south Africa immediately recognized Rhodesia Mozambique and Portugal probably would have. And then even Israel. South Africa just used Rhodesia while being far more repressive than Rhodesia was
The Rhodesian and South African forces were a power house.
The USA, and other Western countries should have united with them.
There were individuals who joined from these other countries.
@@clarencelafuentes4801 When things were going bad in Rhodesia the British Army mustered an expeditionary force. They were never sent.....One of the senior Officers was Ian Duncan Smith who was later a prominent politician..
@@MrPomdownunder the betrayal by the USA and others is reprehensible, the same as what was done to President Diem, Republic of Vietnam.
As we know, there were voices in the Western countries for Rhodesia, Angola, Mozambique, and South Africa.
I do believe that much more citizenry are aware of the hidden hand(s) that orchestrate the disasters.
Not true!!!! South Africa invited Rhodesia to join it if UDI failed
Rhodesians also represented SA on sport
SA sent thousands of Rand to support Rhodeo. I was a fund raiser.
I lived for a year in Cape Town and visited SA once again later... When I first arrived there My group had some orientation... I will never forget what the man said : "Please do not read 2 copies of Time magazine and have all the solutions !"
And what did you do thereupon?
@@marcelbork92 well i realised that SA had a long interesting history. I remember Kork Ballington being booed at races ... Just to think white south Africans as bad people was somewhat naive...
@@MrPomdownunder
Most Afrikaners were stanch supporters of apartheid huh some are now in the US claiming to be African American what a damn cheek, they're European. If they still ran South Africa would they have come to the US, dont think so.
@@maureenjackson2041You mean nearly as cheeky as the immigrants to America killing off the First Nations and placing the survivors onto reservations so that said immigrants children can claim to be American and owner of stolen land? And you wonder why the rest of the world thinks you are arrogant...?
@@maureenjackson2041 what do you really know of South Africa that you didn't read in a liberal news paper or seen on a liberal TV propaganda show?
Does anyone else watch this and think Sputh Africa used to be much nicer?
I don’t know how that’s possible when 80% of the population were practically treated as non citizens
It was for the fair-skinned.
Ur probably a white dude for this comment
@@Alieth but it is
You talking kaak u racist shit
I miss these days and Rhodesia
Go white colonialism!
Me too 😔 and I wasn't born until the 90s
This is what slave owner said back in the 1870s. They miss the good old days of Dixie. Same mentality !!
and you met him and exchanged ideas? @@jenkroberts8973
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA,very few people know this, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
Why are you not mentioning how functional South Africa was?..
Electricity, rail system, health system, functioning efficient police, minimal crime, no potholes, secure borders, working postal system..... The ANC has 🤬ed South Africa up...
Functional for whom?
Oh you miss apartheid don't you? Who would've guessed?
@@kharkanas6779 ..both sides, black and white...
This is a newsreel from 1975, you moron.
You are asking the wrong question and to the wrong person. The question should have been to the ANC, HOW DO WE MAKE THAT WHICH IS FUNCTIONAL FOR A FEW, TO BE FUNCTIONAL FOR EVERYBODY?
Because the more u ask who won and who lost during apartheid, there can be no progress. @@kharkanas6779
They can't run themselves, its sad and unpleasant fact but demonstrably true. South Africa now is well on its way to the same state as every other African nation.
help us white saviour !
@bluedragontoybash2463 Not interested in helping, all yours now
oh no white saviour gone !! @@stitchjones7134
@@stitchjones7134 lol. Sarcasm flew right over your head. having said all of that, you have never considered moving back to Europe?
@@Zikhona532 I must have missed it, the sarcasm eh? Flew right over my head....like technology, civilisation and diplomacy has for the natives :D
South Africa today is certainly not the promised land that many hoped it would be. Even former president Thabo Mbeki expresses his concern over how the state is failing. Watching the news makes it seem like piles of shit is raining down uniformly across the country evenly everywhere, and that the middle class folk who still choose to live in SA are just boiling frogs. Maybe I'm a boiling frog. It's possible. I've never really lived anywhere else, and as a white man, I live quite comfortably compared to most. That doesn't mean that despite my white privilege I don't also work hard for a living. That doesn't mean that working hard is even a good thing, or that it is virtuous. But, working hard for a living is something I enjoy, and in my culture, for as originally Calvinistic, protestant, prude, misogynistic, homophobic and racist as it may have been, hard work, is a virtue, if not the biggest virtue of all in the eyes of many of my people. Whether they even realise it or not. "Hard work is its own reward." - is a core value, and historically, whether by force or not, it is what this country was built on, whether we like it not, whether its a good thing or not.
Being and Afrikaner and growing up in a farming community in Mpumalanga and now living in Cape Town for the last 7 years, I do believe that there is a glimmer of hope. But it is very unlikely that the seed of that hope will come in the form of the likes of populist movements and political parties such as the Economic Freedom Fighters, or the African National Congress in its current form. A culture based in historic injustice and a core belief in entitlement to reparations, may be just, but also hopeless.
For as much at the ANC has lost its soul to opportunistic criminals, the DA, appears to suffer from an illegitimacy complex, and the EFF flip-flops around and pivots towards whichever tactical advantage is nearest in the moment, it would be naive to think that none of the political parties in SA currently have any semblance of a "core value" to speak of. But the EFF might currently be the only political party who has a core value, that it (or its leader) may also be unaware of: Like a crack addict, would do anything for the next hit no matter the cost, the EFF's leader Julius Malema can't say no the the next opportunity to rile its supporters up very fervently around whatever apparent issue... Only for it to emerge that his true message circles the same grievance every time, and ultimately suggests the same solution: Some form of retributive justice! That is what the EFF ultimately wants. Restitution / reparations and retributive justice at any cost, no matter if everyone ends up being off much worse in the end. Economically this kind of talk only leads to ever more capital flight and even worse destabilization and poverty. It also won't make this country (SA) more diverse, but rather even more unequal and more divided across the middle class and the poor, the haves and the have-nots.
More inclusivity, diversity and mutual understanding, that is not based in retributive justice, but rather pragmatic attitudes in the interest of progress, I believe is the best way forward. South Africans are innovative, and diversity brings with it a lot of creativity. Why do you think the US is still, despite everything it does wrong in the word, regarded as the most innovate country in the world? It's because they're basically a nation of immigrants from all over the world mixing and living, and working together in all the different ways that people do. Historically, people congregating and forming factions around their generational trauma and mutual brittle psyches has never yielded much progress, but rather led to genocides instead.
Shhiiiit this is to long, so I'm going to assume that this is "kak praat"
Very informative and true.
The National Party aptly kept South Africa Free of Foreign interference. The end of the Cold War made possible the Kempton Park agreement that ushered in black majority rule. The landing of a Russian strategic bomber in Waterkloof Airbase even before the Ukrainian War shows clearly with whom the ANC is aligned.
For how long the ANC can play off without consequence the West against the Russians and the Chinese juggernaut remain to be seen
ANP lost its soul? Like necklacing people? Weak cowards like you are why you don’t have a country anymore.
You love hard work more than you love equitable distribution of resources and you are white? Who would've guessed .
We gave the new SA government 12 years to show where they intended to steer the country. Then we took the plunge and moved to Chile where we've been living, and working, happily since 2006. No regrets.
why Moved to Chile out of all countries?
What do you do there for work?
@@kissmlungu7883 Similar climate in some parts as the Cape, my family is from there
🇺🇸 welcome you
You just missed the fun of load shedding that began in early 2008. Even though Eskom's experts were warning the government of a power crisis in December 1997.
To know who was right, just look at the before and after. It's easy to understand.
Look how South Africa was before and look now.
South Africa was ran by Nazi's you dum b!tch.
Before and after.... before it was kak for black people,now it's kak for everyone
It was never prosperous. It was a failed state under Apartheid: Majority of the population had no opportunities and no rights. We were more of a shithole back then, and the legacy of Apartheid has still not been quashed. As a white South African, I can tell you: More black people and more SAns in general have access to healthcare, water and electricity than back then. Even with load shedding. If you think it was better before '94 you are retarded or brainwashed. At least we have a chance now to fix our problems. More people live in the middle class, people have rights, people are able to participate in the economy. Black poverty was much higher under Apartheid.
That's BS! You write as if the black people have no humanity. You know that's not true. Our own NPA white government lied to us why wouldn't the ANC government lie to its own people.?
My heart goes out to the Afrikaners. Look what has happened to this once lovely country.
and all because the US and European countries turned their backs on the country, especially the US which was originally backing the apartheid government fighting against the Angolan forces, dont get me wrong,i was one of them being against the border war, but it just goes about in the very early of 1970s US was backing the SA government and when SA troops were about to enter Launda in June 1975 US told Pretoria if they take over the city they will withdraw all support to Pretoria, but yes to think before 1994 so-called democratic elections how clean safe the country was, i grew up in SA during the 1960/70. i walked to school, rode bicycle, us kids in the streets would play in the streets until late at night, we slept in a tent on our front lawn over the weekends, slept with unlocked doors, no high security fences like now, one gets murdered in your own home now, even with all the barbed wire and security systems in lace,
It wasn't lovely when it was infested with the white supremacy virus. They can still go and be "great" in Europe where they come from.
The African Jews came out of the gas chamber, fought and defeated the little African Nazis!
The country was 'lovely' for whites only. Therein lay the problem. It was lovely for 10% of the inhabitants. For most of the others it was a life without dignity or hope. (Of course, sadly for all of South Africa, the leaders that came after Mandela have been a disaster.)
Apartheid was a crime against humanity. Your heart doesn't go to the millions that suffered from?
Back then it was clean and orderly in South Africa. They really do have the reverse midas touch.
Nazis were also clean and orderly. Ended up destroying Germany.
@@desertdetroiter428 How about you live in SA a bit.
@@Waldemarvonanhalt for what? I’ll be visiting the African continent next year for 3 weeks and I’m not going near South Africa. Not interested in the place. I’d much rather stick to my itinerary of Kenya, Uganda, Ghana and Senegambia.
@@desertdetroiter428Germany was clean and had order before the Nazis took power as well...
@@markmower1746 order? They were killing each other in the streets. Roving political gangs and all the anarchy you can imagine. You think the Beer Hall Putsch was a birthday party? Hitler’s SA wackjobs were murdering people left and right before Hitler came to power. He had to kill off the leadership once he took power in order to bring it under control. And that’s just ONE organization. There were dozens of groups like that in pre-Nazi Germany. Violent communist gangs. Order? It got so bad that it cost trillions of Marks to buy a load of bread. That’s not order! Lol
In 1974 there were nice cars around. Beautiful cars with lots of chrome and style.
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The South African army back then had developed armor vehicles that were bomb(IED) resistant, high off the ground with "V" shaped bottoms to divert the blasts BUT our US arny didn't use any of that in Afghanistan until thousands of our soldiers were blown up, FOOLS run our army
Yup. Giant, heavy, chrome polluting the entire Midwest USA. The good old days for sure. Do you remember walking to school in the winter and smelling all of the leaded gas burning while everyone warmed up their vehicles? Nothing like it. No one making us wear seatbelts! You could send your wife and kids through the windshield and no one cared. Great days.
South Africa had quite a car industry...
yes the Casspir @@TOMAS-lh4er
And how independence work out ....
Exceedingly well for ONLY the presidents,
These people cannot govern themselves. Proven over and over and over and over
Well in your face. Regardless of it takes time. You guys are eternal enemies of the Black race.
and blacks too @@trife7419
@lloydreggie how's loadshedding 😅
Look at the country today,its a dump,poverty and despair everywhere.
There is no need to lie u stupid fool ..children in sa go to school when they arrive they get breakfast in the afternoon they get lunch free...when they go back home their parents have food for them from their jobs ir grant money ...propaganda doesnt help u...we will expose rubbish like u
and now nobody has a job and everyones lifestyle is horrendous.
not everything being told here is the truth,i was in the SA army during the apartheid years, and spent 5 months on the Angola /SWA border in 1977, during 1975 US was supporting the SA government, in June/JUly 1975 SA troops were only a few kilometers from entering Launda when US warned SA government if they enter the city they will withdraw all support to SA,very few people know this, if Russia and China didn't get involved SA would of been in control of Angola and SWA until today, in 1982 i was 180 kilometres deep in Angola , with SA troops,
Speak for yourself whitey!
Life is bad for everyone: equality achieved! How wonderful, they think. Truly, many would rather everyone suffer than see others do better. It's immoral.
@@Palmstreet-u7xResolution 435.
@@IansDrumsandBass yes I remember that resolution 435 , but as much as I was against the Bush war ,as I did my military 🎖️ training, even received the pronotro 🏅🥇 ,I was many times on the border, even went into Angola for a distance of 180 kilometres,but the truth or not all the truth was told in many of these videos made by foreigners who did do border duty, South Africa troops knocked the hell out of Angolan troops,if Cuba never got involved South Africa would of taken over Angola,but as I said I didn't want to go to the army as I was against the apartheid regime government
Great time and we were a 1st World country where everything worked. A GREAT ARMY AND POLICE FORCE. Now we MOERTOE.
VERPEST
South Africa was never a first world country. First world countries extend the same rights to all of its citizens
hehehe i love your comment, to think i was there on the border war in 1977 for 5 months, and spent so many 3 month camps there, was just a waste of time, i was in DEC 1978 also in SWA during the so-called SWA elections, protecting a school building 30 kilometres outside of Oshakati, only ten of us , if Russia and China never got involved with the bush war South Africa would of taken over Angola, US was supporting the SA government, in 1975 when SA troops were about to enter Launda the US warned Voster if we take over the city it would withdraw all support , in 1982 i was 180 kilometers in to Angola doing support for the food convoys,
...and with this comment you confirm that South Africa does still not extend the same rights to all of it´s citizens.
@@BlackAura72 get over over yourself are u blind the country is run and ruled by blacks. Nearly 30 years and you see the results you figure it out. At lrast i habe memories of living in a safe secure working country. Your wishes came true you created a 3rd world Failed State stolen into bancruptcy
Hey look at that, a working bus. Need to find more old videos from 50 years ago to see that again. Thank you.
Надежда умерла в 1994 г.
There are no buses in your area
I'm curious how so many accounts of this period in Angola's history ignore the fact that Jonas Savimbi's UNITA was established by Maoist communists and in fact received most of their training and arms from the PRC. Holden Robert's guerillas received some aid from the CIA via Zaire, and later received assistance from the Chinese and South Africans. One the USSR helped Cuba support the MPLA with troops, Western support for the FNLA and UNITA became more overt but China was always more important.
Bullshit, SAVIMBI was paraded in USA by Reagan as CIA-boy in Angola.
This was also the period where China and the West started to talk, and the Sino Soviet split was at its deepest. Operation Savannah started in1974, the same year I think that Nixon and Gough Whitlam made trips to China and begin relations with the CCP.
From my reading on Rhodesia, China and Cuba (Russia) played huge roles in stirring up communist sentiment in that area.
Lots of lies was told in this video, as many lies,
@@chrisbrent7487 that is why very few people know about the USA was supporting the apartheid regime with technology and support and advice during that period, because in June 1975 when South Africa troops were a mere few kilometres away from Luanda Angola and planning to enter the city the next morning the US government threatened Pretoria that if they enter the city they would withdraw all their support, I can't remember if USA government was supplying weapons of any kind, I just know I was in the South African defence forces from July 1976 to June 77 and in 1977 spent 5 months on the Angola border, many lies are told in this video,if Russia and China never assisted the Angolan army with weapons and fighter jets South Africa would of annialated the Angolan army, because in 1982 I was 180 kilometres inside Angola territory supporting the food convoys suppling the South African troops,ad I was in the Panzer Corps, we also protected of the Portuguese people who went and fetched of their furniture left behind,and in one town which was abandoned by Angola army,we found tin food papers showing how Finland Belgium was supplying weapons food oil to Angola in that time, many other stories I can tell here
Looked like a great place, in the Seventies.
it was until 1994 then it started to fall apart because of the west with sacntions !
@@francoisduplessis2413 You might be mistaken, the West's sanction ended in 1994. Or do you mean that because of the sanction that led to 1994's "freedom" is what caused it to fall apart.
Jey word "looked"
It depended on the colour of your skin
@@aussy78 I am sure black and white had a vastly different experience, but I would also argue that we all also experienced less crime and also a more stable economy, since although many people did not have, and some still do not, running water and electricity those that had had it reliably and our shops, schools, universities, hospitals and places of work could operate much more efficiently with a constant uninterrupted and cheap power and water supply. Those benefits we all had and now no one has it.
If you don’t understand why South Africa and other African states align themselves with Russia and China please listen from 4:20 of this video.
So it was never about freedom and human rights then.
And what a paradise SA is now eh? Every post colonial country descends into mess and chaos.... What could be the reason?
Visit Kenya, Botswana. They have done tremendously well. Even Libya had universal healthcare before it was bombed by NATO so your point that colonial countries are doing worse is baseless. India and China have surpassed its colonial satans in development
well the white anglo saxon has all the answers right? british,spanish,usa needs to worry about there own demise let africa be.
yes im from usa a republican and if we would uplift these people and stop the greed success! stop the greed its simple take out the corrupt. oh shit i forgot im from usa i digress
@@jimforrest8099the trouble is, we’re being flooded with “the problem” here too now.
Because European colonial powers love to interfere in the politics of former colonies. They still need the valuable resources that come out of these countries. So pit one side against the other. Support dictatorships that are favorable to western businesses. The same playbook is used all overthe world.
South Africa has made such great progress since the terrible days of the 1970's.
Since 1994 it has transformed itself, for *all* of its citizens, into the rape & murder capital of the world.
And that is a rare achievement for any nation.
My dear friend, you commenting with your strong American accent.... if you would swallow a little piece of truth - here it is.... Why and what is the reason Detroit is what is is??? Because it is the S.A story, only on a smaller scale. :) Good luck to you, America. Time will tell. Keep voting Dem to speed up the process.
Karma is a bitch. Just wait and watch America fall. Actually, the BRICS passport will be the highest valued one of the future.
a racial nightmare of untold proportions is coming to the West, I shudder to imagine what we will see come to pass in the following generations
What is "the colour" of Detroit?
" To be an enemy of the USA is dangerous, to be an ally is deadly ", Henry Kissinger.
Ahhh the good old days
Why does everything looks so clean
For who? And you think all of sa is dirty lol what a fool you are
It was cleaned by blood
Miss the good old days 😂😂
Now look at all these countries today....Angola, Moçambique, Rhodesia, South Africa next
Do not involve south africa in your bs...we are a blessed nation ..the way we love our ciuntry....south africa is the most democratic country in the world...the fools that killed us are still here that should tell u a lot
I love AP. Always full of half truths!
Or in other words half lies too.
What is the half lie?
@@richardgrant418 A part of the half truth.
@@iandemontfort4276 It can't be part of the half truth. The half lie is the other half of the assertions made.
@@sandgrownun66 If it's half lies then it's all lies.
This video has a lot of inconsistencies and inaccuracies.
Cuban biased
South Africa is doing so good today with their black ANC. Life could not be any better for them. They got their just desserts. Ha ha ha!
15:00 Transkei happens to have some of the best soil and rainfall to be prosperous. SA government did not give them the dry arid part desert Kalahari or something. If only current ANC government could give whites the same type of land today!
9:00 Heavy losses?? Less than 10 troops died and a few unarmored trucks. Truth is more that US intervened and asked SA to standback as US did not expect SA to almost "drive" through the whole Angola up to Luanda!
To save american oil interests
Just propoganda BS. I was sure I blocked AP productions. But come back and make a "documentary" onhow well it is going with everybody.....just wear rubber shoes for the sewage water in the streets, military vehicles to handle pot hole roads and plenty of security.
Rubbish propaganda
Good idea I think I'll block them too. Within 30 secs I could hear the BS.
Nobody cares what you cry baby block. Get help!
Lol white boys having meltdown lol sa is better now
And what do we have today chaos
THE COMMENTS mainly from South African whyts, is what went wrong with Southern Africa in the first place. Africa is big with plenty of land, resources, and wealth that could have catered for everyone's needs African or Whyt, if only some people had created these states with equal rights and opportunities for everyone regardless of their skin colour, instead people are nostalgic for a period that for an African is reminiscent oppression and stripped of our dignity, it doesn't matter of the economic benefits that came with that, even a woman married to a rich abusive man will eventually divorce him. Yeah black governments have not lived up to expectations but will you expect an average black man to fight to be legally discriminated against in exchange for having a job and a salary. Unless and until we can all agree both sides contributed to the present conundrum the status quo will forever put both Blacks and Whites at the losing end. There were no winners here, both sides lost
You totally forgot of the coloureds
The best solution is to erase all racist whites. They have on place on this planet.
You mean the racist blacks who turn every place they control into a sh@t hole..@@moaferikatheoriginalman
Remember there were and are persons who are black, including the tribes, say Matabele, Shona, Banta, and Masai that had wanted amiability and amicability.
Potable water, good roads, good homes, and other good helps for the humans.
Many worked in the department stores, refineries, factories ,railways and other employments.
Problems by agitators were exaggerated.
This to put in a person who could be manipulated and not concerned for any citizen.
Yes the blacks ruined it, because they are to stupid to govern themselves. South Africa is what you get if you allow blacks to take over something made by white people.
I really sympathize with the...White people of South Africa
"Southern Africa" (region) no es lo mismo que "South Africa" (country).
So now South Africa is a failed state. Well done guys
Failed state? South africa lol oh y god apartheid wont come back even if u can lie you bloody stupid racist lol i bet u even here lol in our so called failed state
we are sorry for wanting freedom
@@Sometimez-eu5zdfreedom 😂😂😂
Neva thought as a non white south african i would long back to these days.😢😮❤
Good man
If only we were equal back then
South Afr ica was a police state no dissent was allowed, I hate it ehfn the Afrikaners say they're African, they're not.
Lol, non white Mr. Lawrence Nannes? I'm assuming whites only access was denied for you?
I take it you and your family were treated well during those days,those who lost loved ones during the apartheid days don't share the same sentiment
Back when she was great.
This Chanel gat the best documentaries and love how our father of the nation helped Southern Africa independence
been to south africa several times in the early 80's , i loved it
Tell me you're white without telling me you're white.
nobody asked
Was born and Raised in Cape Town❤️ We are very lucky and feel privileged to stay between the wine farms…. 🙏🏼♥️
Lovely, I'm glad you enjoyed visiting my homeland :D
Back then...way back@@DragonsAndDragons777
This I remember well. From my brothers. All deceased now. 😢
And they all lived happily ever after, complete rubbish.
Look at South Africa today its gone to the dogs!!
Because it's governed by imbeciles
You were the dogs !
@@haydenfusco6373 And you are the baboons
It belonged to the dogs then. We called them Nats. How ironic that South Africa fought Nazis overseas, only to elect them at home right after WW2 was over...
Great documentary with great atmosphere. Its barely 50 years ago, but you can feel it was a better time for everyone. Never forget what "they" have taken from us.
AND NOW! LOOK AT YOUR COUNTRY.
The days when Africa was still civil
voetsek wena
Nothing civil about apartheid
toe swartes hul plekke geken het
@@Tiglath-PileserXIX You are a disgusting human being if this is truly how you feel, you know that?
@@ntswxlothank you for watching
Man, this comment section is sad. Why you can't you guys see the pain you have caused for people of color. To this day you still see us as animals
Here's the thing I don't understand. If Africans hate being seen as animals, then why do you BEHAVE LIKE ANIMALS?? Not every African does, but far too many do.
If people see black people committing constant crime, violence and generally behaving poorly all the time, then why are you surprised that people would think of you as a violent and criminal people? Does it not make sense that if you want people to see you as good, hard working law abiding people then shouldn't you being doing just that?
If the majority of African people were like this, so many African nations wouldn't be in the turmoil that they're in to this day. If the majority of Africans were civilized and hardworking, people would see Africans being just that much like they see Asian people being just that. The fact is that this IS NOT the case with Africans and far too many are violent and criminal which is why African people have gained that reputation. If you want people to see you differently in a more positive light, then get your people to be more peaceful, hardworking and more educated and less violent and criminal and over time people's perception of you will change.
This is the only way to do it. You can't commit so much crime and violence and force people to pretend that you're not violent and criminal even as they see Africans involved in crime and violence all the time.
Everyone was better off then, weather u want to believe it or not. ANC sank their own people deeper ever since on a spiral compared to most other African countries.
No!
What a very one perspective opion....... Very leftist...
Learn to spell
The good old days.
South-Africa was the strongest economy in Africa fact. Was the only African country with apartheid...
So.....How is South Africa today??? Sad...
Black South Africans suffered under Apartheid. Today we're suffering from ANC corruption smh. When does black South African suffering end ?
Never, because africans, are Just africans. They are not made for high civilisations.
Look at them now...oopsie
Time for you to go back to Europe. Get out.
its the idiot again @@jenkroberts8973
Distorted report
I searched everywhere for a good video with real footage of the Apartheid to get a better understanding of what actually happened. This was the best video i found out of hundreds on YT. Every other video just repeats the same bs over and over...
And this video is just repeating the same BS and lies ...which you apparently believe ...!!!
If you believe this I want to give you a secret diamond mine in the Kalahari.
I feel sorry for Rhodesia, betrayed and left to fight alone.
Rhodesia betrayed the British though.
Have you heard of the Rudd concession and the circumstances under which it was "signed"? ...or the atrocities committed across this (and other) continents? If you researched or read more about the establishment of these colonies (and the types of unethical, immoral people involved) then I doubt you would feel sorry for those people.
No more apartheid! So South Africa is doing great now?
So much history... and so many things have changed since then.
Wasn dat fürn Arsch?
@marcelbork92
Behaart
All downhill for SA.
Must see the unemployment.. Poverty and crime/corruption now..
As a young child in 1967 we moved to South Africa from New Zealand, I found it a disturbing place and the level of tension was self-evident, that said of a lot of the comments in this video are sort of superficial if overall correct. My Dad couldn't wait to leave the place, his complaint was they paid the whites three times as much but expected them to work six times as hard.
I lived in Cape Town in Claremont which was a new apartment suburb (for whites), as six year old boys we would walk around the Cape coloured area next door that was very old, with Cape Dutch houses, we were completely defenseless and utterly naive, (our parents were just too busy elsewhere), but we were never harmed or even threatened.
School was a real challenge, the level of discipline was way above NZ levels, which were also based on corporal punishment at the time. Anyway, I look back on it now as an interesting opportunity to have been able to view the historical reality of something that was a big issue back then. Nobody gives a tinker's about the place now.
There's always someone who plants an evil seed as they say
It now is a dangerous place, children (even adults) can't walk safely, failed state, politicians wholesale looting of taxes through corruption!
What did you do people to the NZ natives. Those who live in glass house shouldn't throw stones
@@Kartraceone i am not from that area ,but from what i see NZ natives seem to be doing fine ,it's austraulia natives that look miserable
@@titanicisshit1647 I see that you are ill informed. Non of the Pacific theater natives are doing well, they've been socially channeled outside their own culture and heritage.
Definately not historically correct regarding MPLA stopping the SADF
Yeah hog wash
What is South Africa now under a corrupted Communist ANC rule. In South Africa there are many tribes with different cultures . The problem is another culture cant rule over another culture. Please do some research on the current situation in South Africa.
@user-qb3kv4wq5k: Communist???????
I find it a bit rich America trying to act like they were so good when they were just as racist .
Te students protesting against segregated education, I'm sure they are the same ones that condemn the burning of campuses now.😂
Look at it now…
Love this history, thanks for it. Would love to see South Africa - The 80's
The afrikaners were right. Look at South Africa and those areas in Europe and US were blacks are either in big numbers or ruling
This is not exclusively about South Africa. Southern Africa would have been a more apt titel. Southern Africa are the handful of countries at the southern end of Africa. South Africa is generally referred to in short for The Republic of South Africa
The actual title in the film is "Southern Africa". Whoever posted via AP needs to fix the "UA-cam" title.