'Marxist' Starmer, private schools and a 'safe pair of hands': Why are some still voting Tory? | LBC
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- With just over two weeks to go until the General Election and polls indicating 20% of the population still intend to vote Tory, James O'Brien asks callers why they're sticking with the incumbent party.
00.00 | Caller Don doesn't trust Keir Starmer as he was a 'Marxist lawyer', James questions him on what that means.
4:21 | Caller Ian doesn't have a reason for why he's voting for the Tories, but says that he can't vote Labour as they'll make him 'poorer'.
6:03 | Caller Mary-Jane says she will be voting Tory to avoid the Labour policy of removing tax breaks for private schools.
7:56 | Caller Richard believes Rishi Sunak is a 'safe pair of hands', and says we can't trust Labour because of their record in Wales.
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Calling Starmer Marxist is up there with some of the stupidest things I've heard. Have these people never read a book...
No, the Tories keep closing libraries.
I spent many years knocking on doors asking folks about their voting choices, most people vote against things and not for things.
Said with such confidence as well an can’t even explain what he means 😂
I have read and studied on the matter and Starmer is the definition of marxist
Just the Daily Mail
Tax under the tories has gone up by £13,000 since 2019, the average disposable income is 11,000 pounds lower than 2010. He's getting poorer under the tories.
Stop muddying the waters with facts! /s JOB should have brought it up!
Exactly
Where did you pluck those figures from?
@@Dusty2feathers OBR for the £13,000 and ONS for the 11,000.
He is poorer under the Tories he adores and defers to, and he even admitted it. He is a classic Tory stooge " I may be poor, freezing and starving but at least I kept Corbyn out! "
If you can't afford to send your children to public school without a 20% tax break then get a better job with more pay. Surely that is what all Conservatives believe.
Bootstraps, fewer lattes, etc
You don't have to vote for someone who wants to charge you 20% more tho
A lot of those children going to private school have learning difficulties and would really struggle in a state school. So it isn't always a case of rich parents sending their kids to a private school just for a better education. What's going to happen to those children?
Excellent answer. They can always ask for it back from their children when they put that privilege to use
Or just send your kids to state school and overwhelm the education system even more 👍👍👍👍👍
Is there any Tory or Reform voter anywhere who knows what "Marxist" means?
A follower of Karl Marx's ideology. Not difficult is it.
@@Pauli-tm2zt and what are the main points of his ideology?
Nope... They haven't got a clue. 😂
Anybody that believes Starmer is any where near being a Marxist clearly has no clue.
Sanity Clause isn’t that a Marxism?
"Sunak is a safe pair of hands" Hilarious! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's the political equivalent of Massimo Taibi.
I winced when he said that lol
The man who has failed on every single one of his pledges…except inflation…which he has no control over.
Safe
We can safely be assured we will have great difficulty getting a GP appointment even though there are thousands of doctors unemployed. We can safely know we can count on Sunak to do very little to make this country better be that housing, wages, taxes, roads, reliability of transport, drinking water, energy prices, education, public buildings, leisure centres, libraries our environment….. fill in the blanks
Safe is overrated I prefer real change for the better for the majority.
I am just wondering what country most of these people are living in? How can they still voting Tory.
which planet more like...
or labour
@@GaryTaylor-gp2qclabour hasn’t been in power for 14 years, mate
@@Phuqarf devolution and wales bud wake up and take note ffs
Policies are produced to keep enough people happy so that the Conservatives will regain power. In a democracy, 51% matter.
Some of the callers who have strong opinions about issues they clearly don't have a clue.
Easy to spot the Deform voters 🧟♂️
But democrarcy does not require any understanding for the elector except how to mark a ballot card in a polling booth.
@adrian And you are here to give us that clue and we thankyou for taking time out to do just that.😊
And bizarrely the less informed seem to have the strongest opinions.
@chatham43 Easy. Spend about 50 years studying and investigating history and its consequences. Science and human behaviour, politics and foreign affairs, and then you might give yourself the opportunity to have a strong opinion.
The fact people don't realise that voting Tory or Reform IS voting to make themselves poorer is why we're in this mess to begin with.
Do you think Labour will make us any richer? They’ll tax us just as much, if not more so than the Tories.
Looking at Reforms policies I wouldn't of said so and they are nothing to do with the Tories mess. Meanwhile with Labours obvious tax rises and strict net-zero policies, you are guaranteed to be poorer
@James......parallels with all this climate change nonsense...it'll just make the poor poorer. Totally agree. We must save the planet for the poor to be poorer.
@@Steve-s8knet zero policies create thousands of jobs in the renewables industry. We have to oay taxes to get services. The Tories used oir taxes to give tax cuts to the rich.
@@chad0x If you don't mind paying higher taxes for non-jobs that's fair enough but you are paying higher taxes and higher energy costs when there is no need to and the money could be better spent elsewhere. Also stop obsessing about the Tories, yes we all know how badly they have done and we want to get away from that, not add to it.
Labour aren't putting up private school fees by 20%, they're ending the tax break - i.e. subsidy - that private schools currently enjoy. It's up to the schools to decide how much of that increase in their tax bill, if any, they pass on to their customers.
If Labour had a policy to make Amazon pay more tax, would people be complaining about Labour making their online purchases more expensive?
"I can't vote for Labour because they'd make me poorer". M'kay, so how's the last 14 years been going for you?
My finances have improved, just because you're "suffering" and probably lying about your money, doesn't mean the rest of us are.
@@Dynasty1818actually.... you may be one of the few, my guy.
@@Dynasty1818 I love how their comment wasn't even directed at you and you took offence on their behalf. Classic.
@Jackssw lol, never your fault is it?
@@Dynasty1818 You seem to be assuming that you wouldn't be doing any better if austerity and Brexit hadn't been such dismal failures.
This caller's a sandwich short of a picnic
Ironically that is a bit of a classic hard left tactic, label your political opponent insane instead of arguing
@@jeffsimon9594 Ironically that is a bit of a classic hard right tactic, label your opponent "Marxist" and "hard left" instead of arguing.
He's a picnic short let alone sandwich.
Which one? All of them were absolutely crazy!
@@jeffsimon9594bit like the right wing tactics of calling people ‘loony lefties’ and ‘marxist’
Marxist Starmer.. ohh how I miss politics being boring.
Sorry If you want to send your children to private school ... you will have to tighen your belt ..get rid of netflix.. no avacardo on toast.. no more holidays... downsize your house... move to a cheaper area..maybe take in a lodger... get a second job... private school is a luxury not a right. Hence VAT.
No more Sky tv!
Go to a food bank
😂😂😂😂 excellent, got the worlds smallest violin for these muppets
Don’t forget no more Starbucks either!
Also, turn your heating down in winter and get some thick socks.
Rishi gets an awful lot of credit for the furlough scheme - "his" furlough scheme.
It wasn't a magnanimous gesture by Rishi, it was a whole government policy to keep the economic ship afloat during a time of crisis. All he had to do was sign it off.
Wasn't too hard for him to sign it off, his wife benefitted from it.
It wasn't like every other developed country had similar.. and most were better than ours as well.
Furlough was very anti-Conservative. They wouldn't have done it if we weren't in an emergency situation.
I expect a Labour government would have gone further than the Conservative one did but sadly we'll never know
@@Jonnyonthespot123 They most certainly would have, as they wanted to continue the lockdown.
These people that say "Labour will make me poorer" are the selfish ones. Yes, they may have to pay more inheritance tax, VAT on private school, and POTENTIALLY more capital gains tax...
But overall, they will still manage absolutely fine when compared to the vast majority of people in this country.
Also tax under the tories has gone up by £13,000 since 2019, the average disposable income is 11,000 pounds lower than 2010. He's getting poorer under the tories.
tories make put taxes up not labour called desperation
School fees should absolutely have VAT on them, but if you are someone who sends their kid to a private school and you arent extremely wealthy its perfectly reasonable to not want to pay that extra tax.
People, as individuals, rarely vote to directly make themselves poorer.
Yet you probably scream and howl at those who voted to Leave the EU for 'making us poorer'. Oh, the muddled hypocrisy!
@@Me-ui1zy but all to often do it indirectly average disposable income 10,000 pounds lower and tax has gone up per household on average £13,000 since 2010. But as you say labours is a policy, whereas the tories will l ie, are economically illiterate and through inaction cause this, but inaction is never treated the same.
Weatherspoon's drinkers and Daily mail readers
Gammons who take gbeebies seriously
Woah there buddy. I've had much better chats at wetherspoons
Gammon
I'm off to Wetherspoons later for cheap drink because I'm scared of being labelled a champagne socialist
Woah i like weatherspoons but dont think this way :(
Mostly cause im poor due to the tories
One can only despair at the reasonings of the British voter. Have these people not lived through the same last 14 years as me... did Brexit, the PPE scandal, liz Truss, the continuing cost of living crisis, etc etc not happen in their world? Is the potential increase in the cost of private education all they have to worry about?
I highly doubt the Tories will get in, that’s one less thing for you to despair about.
Come back in 4 years time and then you will realise why they voted Tory. Not that I am voting Tory, mind you but I'm certainly not voting Labour either.
You're right we should have gone for Corbyn. Putin would be half way across Europe by now
@Jackssw What about _Tories'_ history?
@@mattwebb5532 Ah yes, Britain is the last bastion keeping Europe first. You'll save us all 🙄
The ignorance of some callers is unbelievable! The biggest problem is education and the medias propaganda.
Starmer a ‘Marxist lawyer’? Seriously? FFS🤦🏼🤣🤣
As for truth - its a complete stranger to Rishi Sunak🤣🤣
We get it. People are selfish and would rather see millions suffer just so they don’t have to pay VAT on private schools. Why should private schools be exempt from paying their correct tax? Perhaps the money this raises could make state education better and level that uneven playing field.
Your deluded if you think the standards of state schools will increase. The projection is that 25% of private school kids will leave and join the state schools. Class sizes will increase and the profession is not appealing to many because of the low pay and in London cost of living is high for teachers. So the government are going to use the money from VAT to pay for those private school kids who have shifted to the state school system.
I find it fascinating how their argument is state school is so horrible, that I can't vote labour and therefore will vote Conservative which is the reason that state schools are so underfunded. Labour is bascially blamed for the state of the education system, there is also this idea that it will alwags be like this that Labours plan is not to make state education better.
'Marxist lawyer' 😂😂😂
"willful blindness" - the best answer I can think of as to why people still vote Tory
What don't these private school people get? People work very hard and still can't afford to feed their kids or heat their homes yet they're whining about 20% VAT on what is, without doubt, a luxury.
Education should never be taxed. It’s extremely wrong. Majority of people who go to
Private school are not rich. Most are professionals working hard to send their children there. Doesn’t it make you think? Why does he not raise corporation tax or something?
@@krishnagondhea7428 you think that taxing education is wrong? What about all the other essentials that are taxed that people simply cannot afford. You want a posh school, pay the VAT, it's not a necessity. People literally cannot afford energy and are paying VAT on it. Corporation tax should increase, tax on the wealthiest should increase. The money has to come from somewhere.
@@JT71087 and let also point out that majority of the people who send their kids to private school are hard working professionals. No one is ultra rich.
@@krishnagondhea7428 yawn, hard working, blah blah. It's a luxury, an optional luxury, a choice. Pay the VAT. You don't think the working class, the people keeping the country working work hard? You don't think the cleaners and cooks at the private schools work hard? If you're sending a kid to private school you are rich compared to someone struggling to make ends meet.
@@JT71087 I didn't say they didn't work hard. Its about the children at the end of the day. Their education. And no we are not rich. Very average infact. You didn't answer why cannot the actually rich people pay more tax? Labour love taxing so should they not tax the rich and recoup the extra money from that side? Rather disrupting the education of children?
Many PhD students could earn a doctrrate in finding out why the ignorance of the voting public to vote conservative after all the chaos and upheavals of 14 years.
It defies commonsense.
The last caller who said "The point I'm trying to make is..." is a an absolute Tory through and through.
And you're a Labour drone, so?
@dandy And should be admonished and thrown off the show. Brilliant spot!
If these wealthy gammonati are so bothered about paying 20% VAT on school fees, perhaps they should pay more income tax then we can abolish VAT, which is a regressive tax and which punishes the poor for being poor.
Let the posh kids go to a local comprehensive and enjoy a sink or swim moments as they fight for their survival. It'll build character.
Over 65 year old Daily Mail/Express readers. Closed ignorant minds.
How can you complain about class sizes, mainly a consequence of austerity and government policy, and still choose to vote tory because VAT will be added to private school fees under Labour? The Tories are the reason the class sizes are "too big" Mary-jane! If the Tories were serious about improving schools, they would have done so over the last 14 years.
Cry your salty tears private school parents. Also you'll now be £24k better of per year thanks to Starmer, so chin up.
Can have Sky T V
I despair when I listen to some of these callers. I'm sorry to say this but I think these Conservatives who phone up these programmes are ignorant.
The Tories froze the limits on savings and ISAs. the tories raised captial gains tax, the tories froze the VAT threshold, the tories reduced Income tax Dividend Allowance, the tories froze Inheritance tax threshold, the tories raised council tax in 2020 and 2022, the tories increased bank surcharges, the tories raised the energy price cap, the tories froze the student loan repayment threshold, the tories raised dividend tax, the tories froze the capital gains exemption, the tories raised cooporation tax, the tories reduced entrepreneurs’ relief for CGT, the tories created the climate change levy, the tories created the plastic packaging tax, the tories created the sugar tax, the tories created the Annual Tax on Enveloped Dwellings --
but…
LABOUR ARE MAKING US POORER!
The tories are running the government. So how is Labour making you poorer?
Two wrongs don't make a right.
@@Steve-s8k True yeah, we should not give the tories any more chances to wrong us.
Me me me politics
It's going to cost me vat on school fees but fk everyone else
Ridiculous
I swear Tories just say words without actually knowing what they mean
James you really shouldn't have let that person who was trying to say about Wales being worse than England in Covid and the NHS go on spouting his nonsense. The Westminster Government controlled everything if not directly then indirectly. The devolved administrations were very restricted in what they could do. Slight differences in the lengths of lockdowns and rules about how many people could meet where and when were all that was involved. When you asked him what Countries had done worse than we did, he said Wales. Wales is part of the UK and as such all the Economic factors such as the rate of inflation, interest rates and the majority of taxes are not devolved.
Wales Labour been in power for 25 years and what a mess they have made of of Wales...
@@vincentblack7467 Ask the Welsh if they would have preferred a Tory devolved council for that time. Let me know if any of them don't laugh in your face.
The guy who doesn't want to pay VAT sounds the most reasonable...
But... the average private school cost 15k/year, so that's 3k/year in VAT he wants to save.
Even for a that dude, sure it's worth the poo in the river? The energy prices doubling? The mortgage going 50% up?
If starmer is a Marxist then I am an astronaut
4:15 Caller Don: "Well I believe he was Marxist because he was sort of very very extreme left-wing."
Keir Starmer dragged Labour from the election-losing far-left to the election-winning centre-left - how on Earth can he be extreme left-wing?
Labour under Starmer is right wing, just nowhere near as right wing as the tories.
And there it is. Some people would rather have an extra 20 quid a month than help others, help society. It needs to end.
I dont know where to begin with these idiots. Saying you will send your kids to private school because of the state of education in the public sector and then saying you will support the Tories who diminished the public education system over 14 years beggars belief.
My son went to private school and he wouldn’t vote Tory
A young couple I know one of whom was privately educated and who send their kids private never vote tory.
Marxist lawyer?? Tf
Marxist? Easy to throw these terms around. Not so easy to understand them. Bell end.
He s Marxist, he shops in Marks and Spencer.
The denial these people are living in is unreal.
The Propaganda is working with some people !!! There is no hope !!
“I’ve worked hard all my life”
So has everyone
If there were no private schools, would these people who have been riled up by teh Telegraph and Mail be against extra tax to make state schools better?
I can almost imagine the outrage of a government taxing slightly more to enable schools to be adequately funded.
'I've already been to school and I read to my children every night. I resent having to pay extra so that other peoples children can benefit from MY money!'
Marxist lawyer, there are some right headbangers out there.🤣
Does that last guy not understand that he is the prime minister of Wales? He isnt just in charge of England.
Yes Wales has a devolved parliament but Westminister is still ultimately the highest power.
I do worry for our country. These callers are all so clueless. I bet the guy who thinks starmer was a Marxist lawyer doesn't even know what Marxism is
Seems you don't know that he actually was at the start of his career. DOH!!
Private schools should be banned and all children must go to the stipulated catchment area of the state school where their homes are located. Everyone going through the same system is the best way of improving the education level of the country as people of all walks of life will have a vested interest in the same system. This should also apply to the royals.
The main downside with strict catchment areas is that over time, wealthier people price out poorer people from around the better schools and it then self-reinforces.
Just add to that, maybe set a stipulation that a % of students at every school must be from a low income household.
Perhaps look at the reality of this, an additional 7% of students with no extra money - that would not really help overall education.
Just as they do in Finland, where Education is free past Graduate Level
Why would you need catchment areas?
They are not adding 20% to anything, they are closing a ridiculous tax loophole. They need to close so many more tax loopholes, but with Starmers new donors those real tax loopholes that bleed money into the hands of the rich will never be closed.
I went to what is recognised as the worst performing school in the whole of the UK. But these callers make me realise that I'm an intellectual giant in comparison to them.
Listening to some of the callers in this LBC episode you just have to wonder which planet they live on.
None of them are any cop.
Power hungry is their main reason
Labour and tories don't care about the people of this country. Vote reform. The peoples party.
😆😆😆😆What kind of people?
That last guy is living in his own fantasy world
It seems odd but each one of the callers were interested in themselves only and ignored the plight of other people living in the same country. Surely the person who wins the election is supposed to act on behalf of ALL their constituents.(isn't that the British way?) This is why each candidate attaches himself to a party that issues a prospective (in theory) on how they would run the country. one of the callers said he would still vote Tory despite admitting we've all become poorer
This is why an I.Q. test should be used to ascertain if you can at least do your shoe laces up,before you.can vote
Nah, we just need to improve education in England, particularly in regards to critical thinking, history and politics.
Have they not been paying attention to what Starmer does to anyone left of centre?
The irony of referring to "the rich people" as if you arent one of them yourself when you're sending your kid to a private school costing TWENTY FOUR GRAND A YEAR.
Private schools are not essential, they are a luxury. And there is no way that anyone can reasonably argue otherwise.
I wouldn't trust
Fishi Rishi to run my bath
Selfishness, stupidity, bigotry. Pretty much the only reasons left.
I’m amazed how badly these callers have bothered to research the subject their calling in about and are generally in need of a brain.
Was this a “call us if you’re a turkey that votes for Christmas” special!!!??
The Tories have made the UK poorer. Also Marx was a very talented economist, his analysis of economics and class are accurate, whether you believe in his solutions is another matter.
James must rub his hands together when he gets callers like this.
The utter shamelessness of being a Tory voter. The “I’m alright Jack’ and sod the rest! Not a single thought for helping those around them. As long as they are okay. They make me sick‼️🤮⛔️
You’re wrong to say there is no correlation between hard work and sending kids to private school.
There clearly is.
Imagine when the 20% on private schools is invested into state education, so the folk who use that excuse will have a better state education and not have to pay for private!
The insanity of some people is absolutely astounding !!!
Death rates in England and Scotland were similar with Scotland being slightly lower. Wales and NI were about 1/2 the death rate. Possibly due to being more rural in nature. Furlough was filled out from the UK treasury to the whole of the UK. Maybe Mr England on the phone might want to find out what devolution means.
Starmer a Marxist, FFS you couldn't make it up could you
Private schools don’t have to pass on the vat to parents. They also increase their prices all the time, even without vat.
Why will the price of private school go up? If those schools cared about the students, they would reduce their profits. If those teachers cared about the students, they would reduce their salaries. So, charging a private company VAT is not caring about students.
One of the funniest ends to your videos yet James, '"Boris Johnson???"...😄😄😄
Love how that first caller was eloquently dismantled bit by bit.
Every time I listen to these phone-ins, I feel it vindicates my decision to leave the UK and change nationality. I’m afraid I’ve lost my taste for gammon.
This is more like the caliber of callers I'm used to, speaking their mind, no funny business. Pure emotion.
Didn't he give his wife COVID recovery money?
If you ever wondered what typical Daily Mail/Express readers sound like…
Marxists lawyer? What does that even mean? Last I heard something similar was in the Soviet ruled Hungary in the late eighties.. and it didn't make sense back then.
Lol imagine voting for a party that will obliterate public services just because you don't want to pay 20% extra in school fees! How selfish and out of touch with society csnnyiu be?!
Does lbs screen these callers to ensure they’re not political operatives
Ian's reasoning impeccable? I mean deeply selfish and self centred, but I guess it's a bit more of a sensible reason than "Starmer am Marxist...."
Private schools are a luxury item and therefore should be charged VAT on fees. Long term, we have to integrate private schools into the state system, following Finland's example.
All those that hate private schools would be the first to support Labour if they made those who are better off pay for private healthcare if it took the strain off the NHS. Do they not see the irony in that.
I think it's cruel exploiting people who are quite obviously mentally ill for a phone in.
The one crazy thing I’d say about this 14 years under the Tories is after a sluggish start the increase in the minimum wage has, I’d argue, been more than Labour could have done.
Last year it went up by a more than a pound. I think if Labour had tried that there would have been huge backlash from business. Regardless of the inflation situation.
And if you doubt me: Remember Milibands pledge to raise the minimum wage to £8 an hour by 2020 which was used to attack Labour as non business friendly. Then the Tories under Osborne raised it faster (to £8.72) and claimed to be the new party of the worker. Something I call a “double Osborne”
Some strange people around isn’t there
The frightening thing is that if Sunak had held on until the Autumn and inflation had fallen, and bank rates had come down then he and the British press might just have convinced enough voters to give them another go.
Selfishness. They don’t want the rest to benefit. I want better education for all, not the few. A functioning NHS. A functioning prison service and police. Better services that we all benefit from. 14 years and it’s pretty dire. So you pay VAT, on top of very high fees! Have one less holiday per year, downsize the car. We all make choices based on finances. And many financial issues are caused by the government of the day, e.g Truss. My pension and mortgage still impacted. No sympathy for VAT on private schools. Choice. Cut your cloth accordingly as the Tories have told us over the years🤬🤬🤬
I think about 3% of the uk population sends their kids to private school . The top 5% of the earners in the uk contributes to 50% of total taxes and the top 1% 30% of total taxes . So rather that asking the other 95% to stick the finger out, let’s add more taxes to the top 3%!
He can justify his reason in his own mind. Translation - I won’t say my reasons out in public…
I don't think I follow. This guy is voting Tory so that he doesn't get poorer? How exactly does that logic work??
Anyone saying they wont vote for labour because it will make them poorer should be asked if they voted for the Torys who made EVERYONE poorer over the last 14 years
Another Tory councillor no doubt
Care in the community is alive and kicking in these callers............................
Labour will make working people better off unlike the tories who look after the rich