hi @@lornelorne5727, as much as we would love to offer more finishes as a small family run company we can only afford to do one production run at a time and this time it’s the stonewashed/satin blade along with a trail of 50 blackout V3s. I don’t expect we will have a stonewashed/stonewashed V3 for at least a year or so unless every V3 we have sells out and allows us to do another production run on the quick! Thank you for your interest and feedback!
Very interested in the V3 and thanks for your excellent review 👍 Quick question before I pre order... when the blade is closed is it secure? I.e won't accidently fall open when in pocket? It looks a little loose in your video when opening, is there any resistance at all to open? Thanks again
@@UKLegalCarryKnives would you say you are OK with the detent on the V3. My fear/concern with them has always been how easy it is to disengage. Great for flipping and fidgeting, but would you be confident of running it though a cardboard box for example?
Great 1st impressions vid, thanks for the info, still undecided on this one, possibly a little bit too much like the V1 in looks for me as I have 2 of those, I did ask for 1st refusal on the prototype though🤞❤️🔪
I'm confused - isn't the flipper tab on the back now considered non compliant as it is an assistive device for flicking whereas the thumb stud just helps open the blade guided by the thumb all the way? The UA-camr Black Belt Barrister describes this as being most likely how the court would find for the flipper tab if it's examined on the low level - the tab is only engaged at one point and a flick assistive device (rough approximation of his wording). Or has this been tested in court and the tab was backed by the judiciary?
The V3 (and V1) is a non locking sub 3” folding knife not a ‘ flick knife ‘ it has no automatic or assisted opening mechanisms - the flipper itself is not a mechanism hidden within the blade. “The amended definition includes any knife that opens automatically from a closed position, or partially opened position, to a fully opened position by means of any manual pressure that is applied to a button, spring or other device which is contained either within the knife or is attached to the knife.” Key point here being: “which is contained either within the knife or is attached to the knife” The flipper is not added to the blade it is part of the blade itself. The laws aim was never to take one handed opening knives off the market but ban the ownership of already banned automatic and assisted opening knives. As for the "black belt barrister" it's only his opinion and it's never been tested in court just like everyone else has an opinion it's not the law.
Untested as far as I know, hence the bit about whether you're personally satisfied with it, however Hoo have cleared these through customs and they were satisfied that it was legal, but of course until it hits court our vague legislation will have to be interpreted by the individual. As you can see in this video I easily use the thumb stud to deploy the blade all the way so in such a case, they would be illegal also. Assist in knife terms means in addition to manual force as far as I've seen and more often than not refers to a spring. That said, I'm no legal authority so my understanding is mine alone.
@@UKLegalCarryKnives the thumb stud was legal according to BBB's video if I remember correctly. It was an assistance to open the knife all the way through the opening arc rather than a flick mechanism. Sounds finicky but that's what the courts do. I believe he said it hadn't been tested either; would hate to be the poor bastard dragged through that scenario based on a UKPC seizure. The lock ban and flipper bans are to me some of the most breathtakingly idiotic legislative pieces in this arena I have ever seen, particularly the lock ban; i have personally avoided injury dozens of times with the lock and I am just an IT systems engineer.... This later amendment looks to be intentionally vague to me to cause this type of problem. There is too much burden on cop-of-the-day and whether they are feeling abusive or not as well. Vague legislation wastes an awful lot of police time indeed.
@@UKLegalCarryKnives ua-cam.com/video/ywtMF8YzEmQ/v-deo.html. This is BBB's video from about 2 months ago on the flipper tab which could come into the "flick knife" definition as the legislation lists it. The thumb stud only helps for the arc opening as he outlines. This is his opinion of how they would treat this but I think it is worth considering in this sphere as I think he offers a considered opinion on how the court is likely to find on that matter.
@@recon339 aah just saw your reply - this is a very interesting distinction indeed, do you think it could survive the judiciary though? That it is a natural part of an already compliant blade is a very good argument I think. I do think it's important to test this in court, in Australia I think you can get a judgement from the court (a pre test as it were) on things like some tax rulings and those determinations are taken as precedent. Is there a way this could be clarified and tested in the UK system?
Great review .as far as Hoo knifes go I can’t say enough good things about them I love my v2 .and carl is a lovely guy .with all that said I don’t own the v1 or the v3 because of that vague understanding of the law when it comes to the flipper tabs. For me the possibility of loosing my freedom over such a small technicality is just not worth it .also I’ve heard of a few guys having similar knifes confiscated on the basses of the flipper tab .even that is enough for me not to invest in the v1 and v3 as much as I would really like to .god I hate our stupid laws they suck .
Thank you for the kind words Angus! I can understand the dilemma, you may be interested to know a number of folk that work in UK law enforcement actually own a V1 😁 The list ranges from police constables various other branches of law enforcement in the UK. The reason we know this is all first responders are entitled to our military/First responders discount and they apply with work ID. 😁
The single handed/flipper was probably the first point me and Carl started talking about. I live in south east London, Carl stated the law, I trusted him. Fuckers sold me 7 knives plus the timascus, absolutely had my pants down 😂I’ve been stopped by the Met, they’ve asked my about my EDC, it’s absolutely legal..
Great first impression and I’m really thrilled you like the V3 so far! 😁
Looking forward to seeing your full review 🙏
Will this be available with a stonewashed blade? I'd really prefer that as it looks so much better...
hi @@lornelorne5727, as much as we would love to offer more finishes as a small family run company we can only afford to do one production run at a time and this time it’s the stonewashed/satin blade along with a trail of 50 blackout V3s.
I don’t expect we will have a stonewashed/stonewashed V3 for at least a year or so unless every V3 we have sells out and allows us to do another production run on the quick!
Thank you for your interest and feedback!
Nice one, buddy! Cheers!
Carl is a absolute gent 👊👍
My V2 had a little bounce back on close when I got it but I bent eack detent spring ever so slightly and it fixed the issue 👍🏽
If it's a recurring issue with this model, I'll give that a try, thank you!
Very interested in the V3 and thanks for your excellent review 👍
Quick question before I pre order... when the blade is closed is it secure? I.e won't accidently fall open when in pocket? It looks a little loose in your video when opening, is there any resistance at all to open?
Thanks again
I can't force it open with gravity or lateral force, only via the thumb stud and tab, it hasn't opened in my pocket since I've carried it so far.
@@UKLegalCarryKnives brill, thanks for the reply... but I was impatient and pre ordered one anyway lol
How strong is the detent on this one? Stronger or weaker than your Liong Man Traveller?
The Liong Mah Traveller's detent is noticeably stronger than the V3's.
@@UKLegalCarryKnives would you say you are OK with the detent on the V3.
My fear/concern with them has always been how easy it is to disengage.
Great for flipping and fidgeting, but would you be confident of running it though a cardboard box for example?
@@nickhowarduk the flipper acts as a safety bar as shown in the video
Great 1st impressions vid, thanks for the info, still undecided on this one, possibly a little bit too much like the V1 in looks for me as I have 2 of those, I did ask for 1st refusal on the prototype though🤞❤️🔪
I'm confused - isn't the flipper tab on the back now considered non compliant as it is an assistive device for flicking whereas the thumb stud just helps open the blade guided by the thumb all the way? The UA-camr Black Belt Barrister describes this as being most likely how the court would find for the flipper tab if it's examined on the low level - the tab is only engaged at one point and a flick assistive device (rough approximation of his wording). Or has this been tested in court and the tab was backed by the judiciary?
The V3 (and V1) is a non locking sub 3” folding knife not a ‘ flick knife ‘ it has no automatic or assisted opening mechanisms - the flipper itself is not a mechanism hidden within the blade.
“The amended definition includes any knife that opens automatically from a closed position, or partially opened position, to a fully opened position by means of any manual pressure that is applied to a button, spring or other device which is contained either within the knife or is attached to the knife.”
Key point here being:
“which is contained either within the knife or is attached to the knife”
The flipper is not added to the blade it is part of the blade itself.
The laws aim was never to take one handed opening knives off the market but ban the ownership of already banned automatic and assisted opening knives.
As for the "black belt barrister" it's only his opinion and it's never been tested in court just like everyone else has an opinion it's not the law.
Untested as far as I know, hence the bit about whether you're personally satisfied with it, however Hoo have cleared these through customs and they were satisfied that it was legal, but of course until it hits court our vague legislation will have to be interpreted by the individual. As you can see in this video I easily use the thumb stud to deploy the blade all the way so in such a case, they would be illegal also. Assist in knife terms means in addition to manual force as far as I've seen and more often than not refers to a spring. That said, I'm no legal authority so my understanding is mine alone.
@@UKLegalCarryKnives the thumb stud was legal according to BBB's video if I remember correctly. It was an assistance to open the knife all the way through the opening arc rather than a flick mechanism. Sounds finicky but that's what the courts do. I believe he said it hadn't been tested either; would hate to be the poor bastard dragged through that scenario based on a UKPC seizure. The lock ban and flipper bans are to me some of the most breathtakingly idiotic legislative pieces in this arena I have ever seen, particularly the lock ban; i have personally avoided injury dozens of times with the lock and I am just an IT systems engineer.... This later amendment looks to be intentionally vague to me to cause this type of problem. There is too much burden on cop-of-the-day and whether they are feeling abusive or not as well. Vague legislation wastes an awful lot of police time indeed.
@@UKLegalCarryKnives ua-cam.com/video/ywtMF8YzEmQ/v-deo.html. This is BBB's video from about 2 months ago on the flipper tab which could come into the "flick knife" definition as the legislation lists it. The thumb stud only helps for the arc opening as he outlines. This is his opinion of how they would treat this but I think it is worth considering in this sphere as I think he offers a considered opinion on how the court is likely to find on that matter.
@@recon339 aah just saw your reply - this is a very interesting distinction indeed, do you think it could survive the judiciary though? That it is a natural part of an already compliant blade is a very good argument I think. I do think it's important to test this in court, in Australia I think you can get a judgement from the court (a pre test as it were) on things like some tax rulings and those determinations are taken as precedent. Is there a way this could be clarified and tested in the UK system?
Great review .as far as Hoo knifes go I can’t say enough good things about them I love my v2 .and carl is a lovely guy .with all that said I don’t own the v1 or the v3 because of that vague understanding of the law when it comes to the flipper tabs. For me the possibility of loosing my freedom over such a small technicality is just not worth it .also I’ve heard of a few guys having similar knifes confiscated on the basses of the flipper tab .even that is enough for me not to invest in the v1 and v3 as much as I would really like to .god I hate our stupid laws they suck .
Thank you for the kind words Angus! I can understand the dilemma, you may be interested to know a number of folk that work in UK law enforcement actually own a V1 😁
The list ranges from police constables various other branches of law enforcement in the UK.
The reason we know this is all first responders are entitled to our military/First responders discount and they apply with work ID. 😁
The single handed/flipper was probably the first point me and Carl started talking about. I live in south east London, Carl stated the law, I trusted him. Fuckers sold me 7 knives plus the timascus, absolutely had my pants down 😂I’ve been stopped by the Met, they’ve asked my about my EDC, it’s absolutely legal..
Is it just me or does U.K. knife laws make absolutely no sense whatsoever…I carry what I like FU U.K. knife laws….great review as always.
Your action shots are badly framed, please get the whole knife in frame when showing, thanks!
Will do
Can't trust reviews of free stuff !
It's a design specific upgrade to the V1 which I paid for and liked so I mean, take it or leave it for what it is.
I'm glad you wrote this, because I paid for mine 🙃 and I couldn't recommend it enough.
Sent you a pm on instagram 👍 great to see you back doing reviews, I find your channel to be one of the best particularly for uk legal knives.
Thank you for the high praise! I'll jump over and have a look