Victoria 3 Is Stinky
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- 6/10
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Victoria 3 is a 2022 grand strategy video game developed by Paradox Development Studio and published by Paradox Interactive. It is a sequel to the 2010 game Victoria II and was released on 25 October 2022.
#victoria3 #vicky3 #queenstink
TL:DR
-War system is not the big problem
-The game is not fleshed out in many important areas
-Many broken aspects of how the game plays
-AI DUMB
+Does have potential
+MP is fun (When it works)
+GDP GREEN LINE INCREASE
+Map painting is easier than ever before
Overall I'd wait for a few patches to fix the AI before buying but I do think the game is not beyond saving, right now it's a 6/10 from my non review.
it's kind of a given that games are broken and incomplete/not fleshed out on their launch. sad that this is the norm
I personally think they made map painting a bit to easy, they should turn it down a little bit.
@@sculamica4159 this reminds me of when CIV6 launched it was so much worse than civ5 but that's cause he had had years of expansions and updates to civ5. I think they're gonna paradox all over this one and make the game good on the basis that you buy dlc after dlc.
We WANT RAT BACK
the AI lacking any sense of direction and lack of general flavor is why I refunded
i cant believe i finally get to witness my first paradox game at launch that, 5 major DLCs later, ISP will be able to make a "Vic3 with no DLCs is hell" video on
lets hope pdx makes actually good dlcs
@@chiatzenw.8946 20 dollars per nation dlc.
Why the fuck is everyone content with basically an early access model that forces you to pay for updates in the form of DLC? Every Paradox game is barebones shit at launch, it's always the same story and people keep buying. What the hell is going on?
@@BreakEm22 Go play ck2, eu4 and hoi4 release patch
They suck compared to what we have now, paradox has always done this, what was, will be
@@miguelpadeiro762 Yes but why do people keep buying? Why do they keep putting up with this? I don't get it, they have always done it like this and it's always been their standard even for DIRECT SEQUELS they won't already build the framework for additions added in previous DLCs even if they add some much needed dimension to the game. It reminds me a lot of how the Sims was handled where each subsequent game had the same "base" and you need to buy other features in the form of DLC. It's insanity. People with that series are okay with "seasons" being paid content with every new installment and people who buy Paradox games are content to have half-finished broken messes that'll be fixed or smoothed over with paid content every new installment.
Then NOW is the time for the Vic 2 tutorial!
⚠️we want the rat back⚠️
Honestly yeah-people are going to be unimpressed with Vic3, hear about how great Vic2 is, but have no idea what they’re getting into
@@warlordofbritannia I have a feeling a lot of people will also be turned off by how dated the game looks.
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@@senseishu937 Honestly looks better in my opinion. Everything in Vic 3 looks way too bright.
Shout out to live chat screaming nothing but "WE WANT THE RAT BACK"
⚠️we want the rat back⚠️
i don’t get it but i’ll welcome the rat
@@junodovah2323 basically its a dancing rat that appeared on screen on one of isorrowprodeictions videos
Hexagonal rat.
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ISP has opened a diploplay against Paradox.
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Everyone is ignoring the biggest, glaring flaw of this game: so far I have not seen a SINGLE slider anywhere. How can you have a vicky game without sliders?
It's fucking disgusting is what it is.
Never forget what they took from you
Holy fucking shit Paradox, why?!
Hearts of Iron used to have sliders too and they're gone as well.
WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST SLIDERS PARADOX?
EU3 had sliders too.
Thank you for having integrity and for showing us that. My first video of yours I watched was a Vicky video way back in the day and it's now my favorite game. You will forever remain the best paradox UA-camr, and I can't wait for 6 years later when this game is good, and to watch your videos on it Please do anti tank only at 400k.
he won't get sponsored by paradox, but he sure as hell will get sponsored by this guy
The way to Anti-Tank only is money!!! Funnel our bank accounts into this man!
super based
Wdym by 400k? 400k views? He already surpassed 400k subs
@@ivanthehighman177 no, he just needs to lose 323k subs and then gain them back
Imagine going through 10 opium wars and not having fun doing it.
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Don't worry, ISP and viewers, they will flesh out everything, we are just 100 DLCs away
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just like they did with ck3 lmao xd 2 years 1 real dlc
@@toreq1127 and even that real dlc was absolute bullcrap and a very big letdown.
To do what vic2 did with one mod (hpm)
I hate Paradox’s form of just putting all the features through a massive paywall of DLCs, which is basically microtransactions.
Rip to all the lads who died in the diplomatic play of 1914 🥺
The diploplay to end all diploplays 😞
hitler really fell off in his big diplomatic play
My favorite custom Victoria 3 achievement so far is "The Hole MUST be dug!" : Max out the coal mine in Wales before Jan 1, 1856. Without losing to a rebellion.
That's a level 80 coal mine.
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GET IN THE MINES RHODRI
is it a reference to something?
@@arisaka233 it is a irl reference, it is about Wales, a setting in the game
And they called it A MINE!
As a Queenslander, I can confirm we are very proud of our Kazakh heritage.
Australia, second greatest country in the world?
@@tremedar second to?
@@angusrogers9366 Borat reference. The Kazakhstan national anthem: Kazakhstan, greatest country in the world! All other countries are run by little girls!
@@tremedar lol
pdx: we’re removing war because microing is bad and the ai is always bad
pdx: forces you to micro the economy
pdx: makes the ai even worse
I like the war system to be honest, it doesn't need much to be good, front lines should be better (hoi 4 Frontline system with all it's features can basically be copied (aka ,out make a Frontline give generals to it, give generals if You want a specific area to manage draw line say you move you defend, maybe even just a bit more like aggressive or do war crimes if necessary.
economy should be more eautomated, like at least trade routes, I like the building aspect more than I thought but even there it's a bit tidious and could be done better what we have now should be what an command economy should look like, everything else should have at least some AI, make it establish trade routes by itself due to amrkez forces, Manuel trade routes are replaced by mor ebilateral treaties like trade agreements (divide them into single good, general and free trade, general would be about a few goods), then only make the player manage all different trade goods and let us set taxes in more minor steps (like a general consumption tax on all goods, then one for specific ones that has different levels, then add the normal 5 levels of tariffs and make it so that you have one general tariff and the rest are manually set. like the tariff system as it is now lacks options but is fine otherwise.
Refuse to elaborate.
Leaves.
Add a new DLC for fixing the issue. ;)
They said war was a low priority, then spent months making an inferior war system instead of just adding quality of life changes to the old one
ok but that’s not what they said
point of the game is economic strategy, not military
basically the opposite of hoi
With war one thing was micro, but also like getting rid of strange tactics in style of trucking to Moscow. It was in a big part protecting people from themselves
Victoria 3 A-Z when?
You are giving ISP Vietnam flashbacks from hoi4 A-Z 💀💀💀
@Be Straight no.
@Be Straight that is a lie
@millio wtf
@@memeenjoyer1528 having Vietnam flashbacks is just ISP's natural state at this point
Sounds like you are really enjoying the game. Victoria 3 A-Z when?
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I wanna see this man playing a random ass nation in fcking africa 👍
@Forrest A rat
the guy with 0.5 hours is probably the best vic3 player rn
14.8 hours right now, and I pretty much completly agree with the 0.5 hour guy. So eitheir he's lucky, or it doesn't take long to figure out how garbage the game is (especially if the guy played the leaked version before)
@@Shayrin2 Always get the "trial version" with these paradox games
@@Shayrin2 The game has been out. You could download a leaked copy a month ago. It's possible he thought it would be different.
You can play the game with Steam closed and it won't track playtime. I've been playing for 2 days and Steam still shows 80 minutes.
I can even refund the game after playing for dozens of hours this way.
@@davincisama lol
Meanwhile in the paradox bunker:
Intern: “The steam reviews are coming in, and in a pinzer maneuver they managed to get them down to mixed reviews.”
Marketing team: “Surely ISP will come in with the shill and get us back up to good reviews”
Intern: “Mein Führer….”
Lmao based
good one.
Lmfao
Intern:"ISP posted a review video which paints our new system in an even more negative light than before"
A grand strategy game with non-functioning AI, who coulda seen it coming
Where are have me seen this before?
@@samuelsteiger1096 , r/ihadastroke
If ut was so obvious why did they decide to let the ai control the outcome of every war? Seriously baffling how the vic 3 subreddit says "a i is bad in every pdx game" but then hates you for suggesting the a.i shouldnt be controlling your wars
This game is a 6/10, but the Yellow Prussia mod brings it up to an 11/10
Opinions on piss Austria?
I'd give this ""game"" a -1776 out of 1812
@@JoaoPedro-ec9hm Piss Austria is a faint imitation of the glory of Yellow Prussia
btw you can make prussia yellow in the base game if you enact Anarchy
Now that we got Vicky 3, it's time to do something incredible, like the Guide to Vicky 2, because I have had that game for like 7 years now and I'm still unable to play because everytime I try it I have no idea what's going on.
I'd recommend watching some Spudgun videos lol
other guides already exist and do a good job at explaining how to do it. i cannot remember what they are called though.
the games meta is honestly pretty simple. there is complexity to have fun with but also complexity to battle with trying to have fun.
I suggest Shenryyr's hour long super Germany video which will teach you how to become so overpowered it's basically impossible to screw up no matter what you do. After that everything starts making a bit more sense.
Goku and CallMeEzekial have good tutorials
@@soni3608 that guy is a neonazi, i was subbed the him for a long time, but then in the vic3 reddit it was revealed that he said racist stuff like the hard R in his discord, i checked the discord and it was true
my biggest gripe and what I always thought would suck is the damn micro managing of imports. like wtf, I don't want to look what I need I want the AI to handle that, import routes should establish themselves as should export routes if I want to manipulate this I can put taxes and tariffs on specific goods. that would make the game flow much easier. if you still want some direct managing of trade routes do the following please: trade deals. flesh them out instead of here let's remove all barriers, make it a deal for specific goods where eine side removes barriers and a permanent trade route is established that trades in the goods from the deal. that would be so much better hope they make a rework of this so it is less tideious.
I love it personally. Really adds a lot of depth to the economy system as you have to pay attention to the needs of your country and adapt to do so. Like it's literally managing your economy, if you don't like that then this might not be the game for you my guy.
@@TheRedKing247 Yup. Whenever I jump into a new nation I actually feel like I need to know the strenghts and weakness of my economy. From looking at the different modifiers in the different territories to inform me where to best put my factories and to how the laws, goverment makeup and politics affect my economy.
All of this leading to me creating an Economic Plan to shape the nation I want through the victorian era.
But I guess its not everyones taste.
@silverfoxeater Yeah and right clicking on an enemy's army with your own also adds a lot of depth. No dumbass, I'm talking about the trade system as a whole where you need to decide what goods to prioritize and how best to use your bureaucracy to get the goods you need.
@silverfoxeater every grand strategy game ever is clicking a button or clicking on things and then click on something else and that is true especially for every pdx games.
you dont have to micromanage it at all, i think people are using exports and imports in this game wrong entirely lol
Ah yes the time in history when dominion's had dominions.
i mean the british raj invaded yemen
@@thesheepperson6938 Yemen can't catch a break
Burma was a colony of British Raj
after ww1 Namibia was a colony of south africa and papua new guinea was a colony of australia
cocololony
I decide to never preorder any paradox title unless I see your prerelease review for a reason. You are the only honest one. Too honest for paradox.
yep, i think this will be the last one I'll buy at the launch (or at least until hoi5 comes around!)
Yeah after the garbage pile that is ck3 and the latest hoi4 dlc I think I'm done with paradox games. Shame this one sucks too.
@@honeybadger6275 If you think CK3 was garbage, then I don't think anyone should trust your judgement on games.
@@alarabi98 ck3 is almost as bad as ck2 with no dlc, with some fancy graphics on top. Why play ck3 when I have full dlc ck2?
@@t_y8274 You know, your not wrong
The funniest part about this whole thing is that the new War System apparently was a lot harder to implement than they thought and it took a lot of development time. And the number one complaint by everyone is that is sucks and it was a bad idea anyway to implement. I REALLY don't know what they were thinking with this.
Look at how the game is built,from big provinces to big ui and no micro wars its to import the game for consoles and mobile
@@936daniel7 I don't know what mobile device you have that can somehow run this game but it isn't what others have. This isn't a mobile game and, probably, never will be one.
It makes sense for the vision of the game. Politicians don't spend their time managing frontline troops. Now as a business and popularity decision, yeah idk what they were thinking
@@Theo-vn9hm I feel like if they just did was Victoria 1 did (literally take HOI combat) would've been the better idea. They already apparently used Hoi4 for the province map itself with very little edits so they could've ripped Hoi4 combat and saved Dev time and money.
@@Theo-vn9hm politicans dont usually spend time managing every industry in the nations (unless it's a planned economy).
Don't worry guys, the game will be great after $200 of DLC
Just like hoi4 and all other PDX games.
If your game doesn't have 400+ dollars worth of DLC and battle passes its a trash game.
@@SapeHallward blizzard? Is that you?
@@CedricCaffa No. I remembered playing France for the first time in HOI4. It was great. Here. No fun, just stupidity;
@@tywinlannister9391 well, I’m a little biased disliking HOI4 but all paradox games without dlc aren’t that great. CK3 is alright without dlc but that’s because most dlc paved the way for good updates. CK3 without patches wasn’t good.
The monkey paw heard us beg for Victoria 3 and gave it to us in the worst possible way.
Well we did see this coming.
Nah, compared to what they could have done this is pretty good. Sucks that war isn't as in depth as it should be but it hits being an economic and political game pretty well.
@@TheRedKing247 It really doesn't, not at all lmao
@@TheRedKing247 a command economy simulator maybe that's about it. There aren't even any capitalists, it's just a bloody modifier 😂 oh yeah they hit the mark REAALLY well Red King 🤣
@@Jaiyro i think people get these opinions like you because the game is very bad at translating at what the role of a player is
you are not government, you are basically everything and everyone that is in that country, meaning yes for you the player it feels like command economy because its built when you want it, where you want it and how you want it, but its actually more like from the pop perspective, that when you clicked on some province to have factory built in, for pops its like some capitalist that day decided to build a factory in that province, its spontaneous from pops perspective even if it feels like a command to a player
actually even the part of your weekly revenue comes from the investment pool, which can later in the game become higher income than your tax and governmental revenue
meaning, capitalists do indeed build your country up, and its not command economy at all, it just feels like it for the player
As more and more dev dairy’s were released my optimism was killed. I was hoping to get a Victoria 2 that had the clunky bits refined. Instead I got a game that simplified or removed many of those mechanics I played Victoria 2 for. I hope paradox listens to our concerns and fleshes out the core mechanics. So that when all the dlc is released I can pirate it all and get a proper Victoria experience.
Well yeah man, you gotta remove the complexity so you can add them back in as DLC, just look at hoi4.
@@honeybadger6275 heck, even look at Victoria 2
they had us in the first half not gonna lie
I played Victoria back in 2012 as a kid and fell in love with it. One of the best games ever in my opinion, and so to see Victoria III be such a steaming pile of shit makes me so mad. Nothing but lazy Swedish fucks they are for making an objectively worse war system.
@@VonSteiner1 Yeah, don't worry though, according to the fanboys after about 5 years and 200-300 dollars of dlc it will be about on par for the amount of features victoria 2 had. Also your comment got deleted.
I have to say I am really glad that ISP turned down the sponsorship deal. As much as I love watching people like Bo when I saw half my recommended filled with sponsored videos of Victoria 3 (not just Bo but other Paradox UA-camrs too) I had a distinct feeling something might be weird. I'm glad I could see an unfiltered version of the game that showed off that many mechanics are lacking.
I never minded the war mechanics as long as they made the diplo plays and economics an interesting mechanic, but the video makes it look like your pretty much just pressing a couple buttons to build/upgrade factories or increase the power of RGOs (I assume that what the rural stuff is). With the mechanics explained it looks like they're about as in depth as a puddle, and instead are just "wide" and require a whole bunch of unnecessary micro that was handled automatically in the last game. I almost bought this game since I was a bit hyped for Victoria 2 but modernized, but now I'll hold off and be happy with modded Vicky 2.
TL;DR: Paradox spamming sponsorships made me weary, ISP proved the game needed more time.
Yeah I got the same feeling about the latest hoi4 dlc, no youtubers have any criticisms about the untested focuses/air designer yet the dlc is currently mostly negative on steam.
Funnily enough the economy building in Vic 3 is nearly identical to Hoi4, it really does have no depth.
You could honestly tell when they did games and what they were doing didn't seem fun or interesting.
@@athingwhichexists forgot the part where hoi4 has markets, GDPs, standards of living, more than 8 resources, literacy rates and pops
@@diddlypoop Yeah, I get the criticism of Vic 3 that guy was making, but the only time HOI 4 comes close to that level of depth is in mods and even then, not quite.
I remember hearing so much cope about how removing micro would free the AI up to be better in other areas, and am happy to see I was right in predicting it would be braindead anyway. Paradox fell off smh.
Uh this game has enormous amounts of micro so isn't this just proving the opposite? AI can't handle incredible amounts of micro?
@@efulmer8675 when has an AI sucked at micro? AI just always has been bad at planning and decision making.
Never trust paradox on promises, seriously, their megacorp economic update for stellaris promises that it would improve AI and performance. It ended up nuking both, absolutely useless.
Probably to make the game run faster on crap hardware AKA Rich idiots MacBooks and maybe smartphones?
The Devs really thought that having to click to build every single building in the game which means that a communist nation and a capitalist nation have no real difference in the way they play was a good idea.
But.....b.b.bbut..... you get a shitty little bonus from capitalists. Isn't that enough for you?
@@danubeisreallypeculiarrive7944 Yeah! You get to have your construction industry open longer so you don't have to wait around staring at the menu for as long! Cool!
@not me Hey man gonna break it to you that not everyone who played vicky 2 is the same person
Ah yes it was great fun to have the ai open useless factories that went bankrupt and doing it again and again. Yes very cool
@not me No, everyone complained that the capitalist AI was brain-dead, not that it was boring to not have to micro every little aspect of the economy.
I appreciate all the people leaving the desolate wastelands of central asia for....the desolate wasteland of Australia that also has gold.
Did people of central asia even know about Australia in early Victorian era?
@@lukaswilhelm9290 don't quote me...
Probably not :/
@@lakesidefiddle8051 I don't think we even knew what the ocean was at the time, let alone Australia
@@alibekzholaman2923 aristocrats and high scholars probably did (and yes you probably had some xD )
@@lukaswilhelm9290 knew of them? probably atleast some definitely the elite of the tribe/kingdom whatever. make long arduous journeys to a "possible" better life? nah fam, that was something mainly seen in western countries ngl and usually only to the colonies
Absolute chad having integrity. Thank you
Ah yes Multicultaralism in 1840, historically accurate Gameplay.
Don't you have to minmax universities to even reach that tech before 1840? And then you have virtually every interest group of the early game being against multiculturalism, making it virtually impossible
@@miguelpadeiro762 You can try and pass the Multicultaralism reform right at the start of the game theres no tech lock you just depend on the luck you get to support the reform.
But thats not the main problem Multicultaralism was "invented" 50 years ago not 180, its dumb you can pass it so early it would make a little more sense if it unlocked at like 1900.
@@sithgames4615 Look up Luso-Tropicalism and Cosmopolitanism, to name two
Multiculuralism in the game isn't modern day universal suffrage and acceptance, a vic 3 multicultural society will still have a ruling caste culture,the primary culture(s)
Multiculturalism in the game is just a law that doesn't discriminate any culture for not sharing certain heritage traits
Try passing that law, many peeps will get pissed, like if you try passing shit like anarchy in the early game by rushing it
@@sithgames4615 You're reading too much into the name of the law, not what it actually does. "Multiculturalism" in this is just "not having race laws".
@@miguelpadeiro762 Bro im Portuguese i know what Luso-Tropicalismo is, the thing im clowning on is that such a society by 1840 was non-existent and doesnt make much sense to have it so early, theres should be a tech later down the line by like 1900 that unlocks that reform.
Ah the un-sponsored opinion
Nah hes brutally honest with paradox games even when hes sponsored
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He always does it in a humorous but constructive manner that’s probably why he’s not been blacklisted
It’s hard for even the most defensive dev and/or fanboy to take offense at ISP
@@warlordofbritannia i mean he had been blacklisted for a while a few years ago but they retracted it
We've reached peak consumerism, where it is now acceptable to release a barely finished Alpha version, and get people to pay full price for it, on the understanding that you will probably release all the content to fix all the errors you made and features you cut out from the previous game and make people pay multiple times over full price just to be able to eventually get a finished product.
Thats been happening even back then, nothing new really. Also, yea the game would be different after multiple DLCs, its just not the "finished product".
Vic2 is more trash on release, or dare I say, all paradox games before CK3 are trash at their releases, stop this good old day nonsense. All of what you said is completely false regarding paradox products.
@@yihengwu1089 If you enjoy paying 200€ for a full game it's your problem, Paradox is nothing but the new EA now. They already have planned extra dlc, just look at preorder bonuses.
All paradox games are bad on launch, even modern ones. Hoi4 being perhaps the only exception, ck3 was and still is incredibly shallow. But because it was the case 12 years ago doesn't mean it should still be the case, quite the opposite in fact
Do you guys even realise what does it take to develop an interesting game of this kind and complexity? I’m sure they did their best, even if the final result isn’t perfect. And regarding the DLCs - if you’d try to include so many features to the release version you’d need at least 3 to 5 years of just development. Only the Rockstar mb can afford it this way with developing GTA.
@@potomskazhu Victoria 3 was promised to be society simulator. It is not. It is micro hell when you has to manage every single fucking enterprise in your country. It is basically building queue simulator. Maybe if they focused on things we love in Victoria 2 instead of putting resources into creating price-balancing simulator we wouldn't have shill of a game?
He is not wrong
Literally a CK mechanics with Anno looks intertwined
Yeah its rough. Its fun from a i love staring at maps perspective, but sadly not from an i was expecting a vicky sequel one.
There is a decent map mod on steam rn that makes it a bit more like Vic 2, I imagine a ui mod is coming soon
@@thenefariouschode im loving it so far - but some of the default hotkeys/hotkey combos are just weird, you cant cancel construction in the same place where you place it (i tried so many times to right-click a building after i missclicked and have nothing happen) and the UI is quite cluttered. I think it can be a great game, but it needs some work. I dont regret my purchase tho. I trust the Wizzycorn.
@@alexander-mauricemillamlae4567 my opinions basically,it’s only 2 days old so we should just complain quickly and we will hopefully get a lot of change
I despise the aesthetics so much. Same with CK3, focusing on graphics over practicality. I don’t care about looking at the terrain in the slightest.
Paradox keeping to tradition by making every game bad at launch
And also to simplify the fuck out of every game.
well they did that since early Vic 2 build (remember Prussia is yellow on the map?) so.........
@@lefoix4629 I wonder how much longer until paradox games lose the "grand" part of strategy
It's the one good way to force selling later DLCs, isn't it?
Oh, this one was bad at design stage. And has remained that way ever since.
Hoi4 predicted Vic3 😱 💀
The fact that they removed private industry and replaced it with a micro managing nightmare shows what this company is capable of
WAIT!
THERE IS NO PRIVATE INDUSTRY????
IN A VIC GAME?
@@Japcsali Nope, you directly control the entire economy no matter what govt form you have, because all govt types are essentially identical
@@mlg_teletubby9391 leissez faire doesnt work? kek
@@thisishuhwow from what I know it just turns off subsidies, but you won't have capitalists building new industries or buildings. It's all centralized
To be fair, private industry is fucking broken on vic2 (capitalists build car factories on barren islands for no reason) but removing it altogether is not the solution.
My favorite part was when the Sorbs showed up and Sorbed all over Australia
I loved when the first Sorb disembarked in Canberra and said "It's Sorbin' time"
I don't hate the game.. I hate Stellaris!
Me, a Stellaris player: *Perfectly Reasonable.*
True, Stellaris can be kinda anoying at some times, but I still enjoy it mostly.
I cant enjoy the game, it seems 90% of the fun in the game is the character creator and then its just boring micro but your pretending to be a space empire.
@@GlizzyGoblin757 yup
@@GlizzyGoblin757 I completely agree with you on the character creator point, I don't play It very often, and might only play a full game very rarely when I feel like it.
I really love Stellaris but now I think about it, I have no idea why
The game seems weirdly easy. Like Victoria 2 has a ton of micro-management and rebels, but at least the economic situation at game end usually mirrored real life. In Victoria 3 you can just take any random country, pump it full of factories (that you are free to easily build with no repercussions) and become an economic powerhouse.
how, that never happens to me when i play anyone, now vicky 2 i can do that
You can literally make any country in Victoria 2 an economic powerhouse, what. These games are literally all about economics simulation so of course there's going to be a path to ensure you can become a powerhouse by microing it correctly.
This is exactly what I've been saying. I played an entire game on speed 5 as south africa, just clicking build on profitable industries. By 1870 I was #8 GDP, #1 GDP per capita, #1 education, #1 standard of living ect, all by essentially playing on autopilot with a tiny country. I then got bored and just switched all buildings to autobuild and left for lunch. The auto build with no micro rocketed me to #8 globally with like 170 million gdp. Its insanely easy and shallow
vic 2 is many things, a good economy simulator is really not one of them.
@@mlg_teletubby9391 it really is easier when you are part of the british market
try doing that as zulu, and dont join british or french market, at least not for first 20 years, you will see how much that will slow you down
I have regretted buying every Paradox game I have bought since eu4, but I think I might finally have learned my lesson.
I bought everything day 1 until Imperator. Since then I've been vigilant and waited for feedback like this.
I Crack my paradox games now.
the worst thing about V3 is that it will give a bad name to Anno 1800
I really want to know precisely whose idea was it for region based warfare. I need to know how many velcro shirts the dude owns.
i hope pdx listens to our concerns and fix the game because this game has potential i think
I think they need as much constructive criticism at this point if we have a chance of them fixing it. Does seem like with polish it could be good though
@@jacobarcher1097 I don't see how updating the Polish will fix the game but if you want that cool ig.
or it won't be in time like imperator
@@fareflight2029 polska gurom!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@cg1231 they've poured way too much into this game to give up on it
The Kazakh people of Queensland, truly one of the cultures of all time. Edit: Among Us
I can't wait to spend $699 to get a working Paradox game in 5 years
they took out mana so the game would be less random and then added debates so the game would be just as random, good job paradox
@x omfg your right , why dose paradox do this to us 😭
Everybody was complaining about the "abstraction" of mana being senseless. I never heard the topic of mana have anything to do with being random or not.
@@Copperhell144 its more a EU4 thing than anything else sense in the beginning of the game it is random the stats of your leaders for monarchies.
actually they removed mana for games to be more random like they were before EU4, ck2 and eu3 had a lot of random elements, without mana, i think you mixed those things a little
and in eu4 getting a good monarch isnt really that hard or random at all, just restart your game until you get a good one (unless its fixed on the start) and whenever you get an heir you dont like, remove him immediately so you get the good one sooner
thats all it takes, a little legitimacy hit
I played as France and did some conquering of North Africa and had a diplomatic problem between me the UK and Senegal, we went to war and I invaded the UK and there was no army to stop me their entire army was fighting Senegal
@Ferbujosbe The UK commited some 200 battalions to Senegal, it seems to be their programming to commit their units to the area the diplomatic problem is happening
To celebrate the release of Victoria 3, can you do more Victoria 2 videos?
depressing reality of Paradox is... when they want a franchise dead, they freaking kill it.
Nah this will rejuvenate the Victoria 2 community
Vicky 2 was a niche of niche game... The fact that a lot more people will play the 3rd than the 2nd means it will be getting content constantly and the series will continue in the future.
the game is ok, I have fun with it. it's like have you played hoi4 vanilla? I have, that was worse than this game is now.
the main problem is that they moved tidious stupid micro from war to rconemy, if they make the eco flow better and add a bit more depth to war the game will be great.
@@dariusgunter5344 for real the required micro to develpoñ your economy is insane right now. I can see paradox adding some automation settings into it: Profit focus, output focus, war economy focus, etc. etc.
And if they want to go even deeper, a way to hire/elect/promote eco/war/security counselors which would impact those automation settings.
The game has a lots of potential to be a great game. Paradox built an incredible abstraction system to build and expand upon imo
@@alexdobma4694 too bad vic2 is old and sucks to play usually. and i don't think anybody will "remake vic2".
Years of begging Paradox to release Victoria III.
Now the game is out and it seems like we're still gonna have a few years of begging ahead of us.
after bullying paradox into making vic 3 people should start bullying them to make march of eagles 2
Really upset it's not as good as it could be, because y'alls (you and the Bo group) Victoria 2 videos are some of the best ones out there. Hope Paradox listens and makes some changes in the right direction!
I understand now why you didn't published any sponsored video like Bo, I'm proud and happy of you ISP !
@Druid of Scosglen i didnt get the same impression, rather, that they suck at the game atm and they need to learn it
after the next game i think we can say how they feel about it more honestly, i think bo even said so himself
In 5 years when the game is good, we will need a lot of stimulus checks to buy all the DLCs that make that game playable. What a business-model that is. Grandious!
@@azlanadil3646- And the free updates break the game mechanics if you lack the dlcs
Why do you assume it will even be good in 5 years? I think PDX is done for and they just aren’t making games for their own audience anymore. Every release go massively downhill and this is the worst paradox release I’ve ever played and I’ve played them all on release since Vic 2.
They seemed to be placating to a tiny minority of mouth breathers on Reddit too who most likely haven’t even played any of their previous games… what we have ended up with is a grand strategy game with no strategy set in a tumultuous period with wars everywhere and no proper war mechanic. It’s an idle clicking mobile game with fancy graphics. “Build and watch little number go green!! Woohoo!”
Even CKIII which is the best of the recent releases (downgrade and massively dumbed down compared to 2 though) is still pretty much an empty shell with little content. It’s already been out just over 2 years…
Paradox is in the toilet. I hope it collapses at this point, they would 100% deserve it.
@@MalleusIudaeorum I wish they had just used the Vicky 3 budget on making IR and CK3 better
I honestly think the war system has potential and I see the reasons for it and like the idea. I just think it could use some extra time in the oven.
Am I the only one?
Agree. I think custom fronts would be a good addition without straying into individual map units you can cheese. Definitely 100% need custom objectives for generals and the ability to transfer units between generals.
I like the war system too. Although most crashes currently in the game seem to stem from it
The war system is tolerable, awful but you can play the game with it. I think if they give player more control it would be nice because honestly once you sort out all your economic micro there was nothing to do but hit speed 5.and when i was at war i was watching the war anyway so i was thinking would war micro really get in the way?
I just wished that they still allowed for micro. I'm completely fine automation for the people who want it but I just don't understand why they couldn't have made it something like Hoi4
@@thepickle5214 The devs already explained why. Map units are exploitable by players and the AI always struggles to manage them properly. Take of that explanation what you will.
Be careful the paradox shills are going to attack you
(didn’t watch the video btw)
who? lol I see no one defending the game
I enjoyed the game. Have no regrets preordering it. But to each their own. No point in arguing over it. You guys won’t concede your points and I won’t concede mines. The only result is we waste each other’s time. Have a nice day!
@@tanegram Every redditor is defending this game
@@walesdoesntsuck6635 Well, reddit is about 60% bots and 40% mentally ill people so what's your point?
Big respect for not shilling for this one ISP.
From what I understand, despite having warfare at the bottom of their list of priorities, they put some of, if not the _most_ time into it, leaving the other areas very, very lackluster while also making decisions on that warfare that the playerbase despised.
All in all, good decisions from Paradox once again!
sunk cost fallacy is extremely common in the bureaucratic mess that is video game corporations. if a feature doesn’t work as well in practice, you learn that often far too late in development to actually change it
Because they didn't realize how long the system would take to implement. You're criticizing them with information we only knew after the fact, jesus fucking christ man.
@@TheRedKing247 Yeah, and Nixon thought he'd fucking get away with watergate, man. Doesn't mean it wasn't a stupid thing to do. As soon as they realized how much they were going to have to put into it, they should've scrapped it for the old system that they already had developed. Or- _OR,_ now, stay with me here-
they don't release the game until it's fucking finished. This game wasn't even _announced_ that long ago. No reason they couldn't just keep it that way until the game was ready.
@@TheRedKing247 they could’ve delayed the game to make it actually functional on release
and
experienced game devs should’ve known building an entire new war system from the ground up and then balancing it. while its fundamental game design principles are dog shit. is gonna waste some time.
@@TheRedKing247 The dumb pricks would know that a completely new system would take a long time to develop especially because it's ground up. Even the HOI4 team would know this after the major updates and DLCs and the never-ending balancing patches which are still trying to fix things from old DLCs.
Tbh I'm probably gonna hold off buying this game. Seems paradox needs to flesh out some of the mechanics
Honestly it needs the stellaris treatment. Literally remaking it.
@@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125
The real Paradox is how they keep making the same mistakes but keep learning the same wrong lessons
Needs 20 DLCs to fix
Or maybe just don't buy it lol
@@warlordofbritannia probably because nobody in this community agrees on what’s good
Pov: you win over the victoria community by literally being honest.
Good on ISP, my respect, expecially considering many other people that usually come to mind alongside ISP did not do the same and he could had just take the money.
But still damn, paradox (and the community standards) have reached such low levels that its truly giving me depression lmao
24:13 I like how le Big Bleu Blob WILL find a way to continue Big Blue Blobbing even in a paradox game effectively without warfare :)
I'm surprised people actually expected the game to be good on release. I mean c'mon guys it's Paradox.
That's the problem with paradox. Yet they won't listen to us because money.
That’s not a good thing. That’s a very, *very* bad thing, that they’ve literally lowered expectations so low you expect a crap product to buy at full price
IIRC paradox itself had really good releases like EU4 and CK3 at launch besides being bugridden and all. They were feature packed at best with the hidden intention of baiting the player into buying their DLC.
CK3 Launched fine and EU4 wasn't that bad at launch either tbh. It's just the curse of Imperator.
i remember playing hoi2 vanilla, was pretty great, the DLCs were just silly added scenarios
Someone needs to make a compilation of ISP saying that Vic 3 would never happen
Remember when ISP joked about Vic 3 not needing warfare? It appears the devs took that video serious.
feels more like this format is more compatible with a Cold War/Modern day timeline
Finally an honest review, paradox can't keep getting away with this shit. They made better games 20 years ago, where is all that dlc money going? I get that they want to appeal to normies but holy shit how can their games devolve so much
Making more dlc lol. Where else?
I mean how did it devolve? Old Pdox also released buggy, unfinished mess with paid patches(!).
I'm curious how much money they spend on paying "influencers" to lie to us and tell us its good.
Bro, this is literally every PDX game. CkIII is an exception, and even that was mediocre at launch. If you don’t want effectively an early-access game, don’t buy a pdx game on launch. Simple as that. How the fuck are you people surprised by this? You read the dev diaries and complained before it came out, and still bought it.
@@shellshockedgerman3947 fucking exactly the point. they haven't evolved in years. been playing paradox games since 2015 and their policy of releasing garbage and locking basic features away has yet to improve
my favorite part was at the end when he just zoomed in on the united states and you could hear his smile fading as he saw a csa that wasn’t even in the south
Very proud of you for not shilling for paradox when they make bad games
The only thing after some hours that I like is how colonies develop
That they did really nicely I think
When the King of Vicky hates your sequel, you know you darn f**ked up
It's incredibly admirable of you not to take the money so you can what you want, even though you like the game overall. Big respect ISP
I think the main problem with this migration system, is that you get immigrants from nations that realistically should've never even heard about you, like native Americans.
It's stupid, unrealistic, and can be easily fixed by putting a treshold of a specific education level on who can migrate and how far they can migrate.
Truthfully the game has alot of promise, but a lot a ton of issues. Kinda like CK3.
One of the big gripes I have personally is how some things feel very easy and self-explanatory while others don't. Naval Invasions being the number one thing I don't get. No matter what I tried, my naval Invasions failed every time after landing with only a handful of the brigades I assigned. Then the AI is able to invade with a fraction of the troops instantaneously.
imho ck3 is so bad its hopeless and beyond saving
im not saying that to be edgy or because i like hating on PDX
as you said, vic3 has a lot of promise, and i think like it more than ISP
i still think ck3 is unrepairable hot garbage and i think they will turn it legacy after the next dlc season pass, just like I:R, along with eu4, because by the time ck3 season pass gets all dlcs released and it ends, eu5 will be coming along, and vic3 and eu5 will need love, after which they wont have any left for ck3, so they will have to legacy it to focus on future games that are actually not hopeless
if they want to make ck3 good, they need to return to ck2
also naval invasions are a nightmare, if you dont have a large navy, until you get the landing craft tech which removes "problematic landing" debuff which smaller fleets tend to have often
I can almost guarantee the first Vic3 expansion is going to be all about making the warfare more like HOI4, quote me.
I hope not, I hate HOI4 combat system
@@RoyalProtectorate how can you hate hoi4 combat when it's competition is CK3, EU4, and V3, and Stella's? None of those games have any real combat outside of Deathballs
I was watching this video when I learned that a friend of mine died.
RIP Arlene. I won't forget you.
Also RIP Victoria 3.
The problem is that it needs another year or two, but the core fundamentals won't change in that time. They're baked in.
To be fair, they did overhaul Imperator on feed back. And it was actually looking decent after they did that. but then immediately abandoned it. That too had lots of potential.
If only because of it's map. Imperators map still beats out any paradox game.
Stellaris.
@@Prownilo given how stridently they have defended their changes I honestly doubt it. As long as Wiz is on it nothing will change.
Paradox's QA team must just be a guy named Steve, who they pulled off the streets given the amount of issues there are present, also the bureaucracy must have been "Get The Game Out Now"...
Must have got him the head the team making By Blood Alone given it has like a third of the content of No Step Back for the same cost...
Most of the time the problem isn't QA. The QA guys find the bugs. As do the beta testers. But the devs don't have time to fix them all, and management says "release anyway, we want $".
Fun fact: the game has an instant win button that will win the game for you instantly, all you need to do is hit the alt and f4 keys simultaneously, and then go outside
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0.5h guy was right about war lol
Stuck between getting Vic3 or Football Manager 23. Hopefully ISP can help me make my mind up
Make sure you also view other people's reviews as well.
And keep in mind that most of those reviewers, either don't know how to play the game or they got the game early from paradox so they could do sponsored content.
Yes, you should be careful. Look for one that don't just praise the game, such as One Proud Bavarian's review.
Pirate them first and find out that way.
Probably neither
Vic3 looks shallow and is FM23 really that big an upgrade over last year to justify the price?
For [REDACTED] reasons I got a version of Vicky3 with thousands of errors earlier this year.
Its good to see that it has been exponentially fixed to dozens of errors and maybe over a hundred.
at this rate Vicky will be legendary in 6 years with 4 DLC
@Druid of Scosglen im not counting the flavour packs and free updates, besides their dlc's have slowed dowm, perhaps they are thinking on making cellphone games instead jajaja... jesus...
Creating clothes monopoly as Japan would be pretty funny.
Killing lá killing
In 1904 in your game, you managed to get Australia the same population as what it was in 2000
0.5 hour of playtime guy is my favorite character. he has such a great grasp of the game and its mechanics
Do you remember the times when computer games were finished on release, the 1990's.
The amount of micro-management in this game makes USSR's economy look like an ancapistan.
I know i'm late for this but man this summed up the game perfectly: 20:32
They could improve the late game performance tremendously if they just took out the map and fancy graphical flair and left nothing but the trade and construction screens, which is all you're ever staring at anyway.
Glorified alpha for 3 years and beta for another 10000000000000 years.
18:05 I can imagine some Mongolians throat-singing while Australians are playing didgeridoo. It would be so awesome
You already know pdx is gonna improve the husk of this unfinished game over a period of years through $20 dlcs. How do I know this? BECAUSE THATS WHAT THEYVE DONE FOR LITERALLY EVERY GAME THEYVE EVER RELEASED!
I really don't understand the philosophy behind the new war system I think the Vicky 2 system worked well enough to where you could have the best of both worlds but here they decided to focus on one side of the game but it's just menu button gameplay which I just don't think is very engaging Cheers who ever does enjoy it though
P.S it feels like a phone game with a very pretty background
Vicky 2 combat was perfect, for me its the standard that every game needs to follow to be good, building 4-1-5 & crushing everyone as anyone, feels good & fun
Vic 2 war system sucks
Dude the worst part about Victoria 2 was the war system. Having to micro every single fucking unit was absolutely infuriating and incredibly time consuming. That's the main thing Victoria 3 was trying to avoid, where they instead shifted the micro focus more to the economics and political side of things. It's why when it comes to the trade menu there's no "AI" helper that automatically manages trade routes for you, because they want you to do that yourself.
@@pedrolmlkzk it doesn't
@@TheRedKing247 its not bad & its not absolutely infuriating and incredibly time consuming for me, its fun & would take that over the dumb boring pos Vic3 is
I played my first campaign also in Australia and by the end well over 80% of my pops could not speak english
Better than Australia irl
Sounds accurate. Send them back! Australia for the White Man!
@@followerofthetrain6336 bro what
@@Lightplate Australia is on that trajectory in real life. The Australians have a right to a homeland. Think about it.
@@followerofthetrain6336 There's no way you're serious y'know how the Aussies got their "homeland" right
As a French who never set foot in australia, I can totally relate with the throath singing that I do every Sunday at the local church in Southern Brisbane.
I thought it was another unjustified hate train and I was ready to defend this game so hard
and then I played it...
I like our West Australia had so much migration attraction *when you didn't even have the good bit in the south yet* was just everybody moving to a coastal desert?
You know its funny, this has been the only video ive seen so far with a generally negative view of the game. And yet i think i learned more watching you play it, than any of the other creators out making specific guide videos haha! I had no idea there were other map modes!
its because all of those other guys are just paradox shills, except for like ISP and maybe Bo (but in Bokoen's case, the game is probably way more fun to mess around in with friends)
Mr. Productions: This and Stellaris are too simple
Me: entirely incapable of keeping an economy afloat in either game
Stellaris is simple, just produce minerals and sell them for every other good.