This Is Why People Hate Spider-Man Fans
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2021
- Spider-Man No Way Home just released a really cool trailer but I do not understand the point of continuing to conceal Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Men in this movie. It's such a horribly kept secret that they have at least some role in this film and if by some cruel twist of fate they didn't fans would be furious. Tom Holland's MCU Spider-Man is awesome. I really like this interpretation of the character and even Peter Parker's connections to Tony Stark, but I'm getting a little tired of how they are pitching this movie. There are scenes in the trailer where it's blatantly obvious that other characters have been digitally removed as they continue to focus their marketing around Alfred Molina's Doc Ock, Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin and others. #MCU #Spider-Man #Spider-ManNoWayHome
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“With No Power, Comes Great Toxicity”
Spideys my favorite character but I wanna stay as far away from the fandom as possible.
‘Spideys my favorite character but I wanna stay far away from the fandom as possible’ you do realize that if Spider-Man is your favorite character, that automatically makes you part of the fandom, right?
@@novabell24 I mean you can be a fan of anything without necessarily participating in the fandom of it. I could just sit around loving the show the mandalorian. I could be a huge fan of it right? But maybe I really never or almost never talk to people online about it because I'm busy with work and my other hobbies and I just enjoy that thing in peace. Maybe I occasionally comment on it or something but I'm not really actively involved with other fans. There's a lot of people like that. I would argue the general public is pretty much like that. They're not involved in groups of fan activities or even making big comments on online all over the place, they just watch the show enjoy it, maybe talk to a friend a tiny bit or no one and then move on to the next thing.
understandable
Same
yeah me to i also love spider man and honestly he's the only marvel character that find interesting and I don't hate tom Holland I think he's cool guy but I'm just don't like the msu spider man very much like if you don't like the character in that movie it's fine but don't go attacking the actor it's the real world
One thing I've noticed throughout the fandom is whenever there's toxicity, it's always about which movie or adaptation is better, It's rarely ever the comics. I can admit that I used to be an annoying Raimi shill and once I started reading the comics more I stopped caring about the movies and just enjoyed them for what they are. I've met a lot of people who both like the movies and comics and they are really nice people, because they understand that Spider-Man is way more than just 9 movies.
Though accuracy does matter.
And true!
I mean, comics can get toxic too especially when people want to act as if politics have just now been in there or if bad writing wasn't always a problem, people sent death threats over the change to the black suit and the death of Gwen Stacy.
Now, people stopped reading the comics so you don't see it as much but it's still there.
@@hyperion3145 kinda agree
I sometimes talk about my friends about which adaptation i think it's better, but i don't really care if they disagree and like you, and just like the movies for what they are and because i love Spidey, but i don't really have any hype for it
I’m a Spider-Man fanboy he is my favorite superhero I have to admit it might turn into a terrible community
Just a thought: Peter in the comics can be quite angry and defensive when he feels threatened/exposed. Rather than being the polar opposite of the character, toxic fans more seem to mimic Peter's flaws, but in dumber ways and less understandable situations.
That's true to an extent but the character also has self-awareness where he's aware of his own flaws and can work through them. We also see him constantly stop himself from doing different things that would be considered immoral or wrong and lashing out at people when he has the upper hand despite the fact that he would get away with it. These actual angry fans don't do that. If they're anything like Spider-Man they'd be one of those weird warped sad looking clones the Jackal made haha.
He’s even more like that in the early ultimate comics but that’s just because he’s a teenager still
@@hughjass7777 100% correct. Part of what makes Peter Parker such a great character is he relentlessly tries to make up for his flaws and mistakes.
With the great power of the Internet comes less responsibility
this is the most cringe comparison like did we need to reference a fictional character to explain actions come on man 🤣
The utter irony of Spider-Man fans is that they somehow don't realize that their behavior is completely against everything Spider-Man stands for and that he'd be completely disgusted with how they act towards one another on a daily basis, and I say this as a lifelong Spider-Man fan.
Truth.
Facts dude
Facts. I hate it when "fans" act as the opposite of what their favorite comic book characters stand for. I mean isn't superheroes as characters meant to inspire?
This part here, with great power comes great responsibility and the things you say have just as much power as any iteration of the wall crawler could ever have
@@AlexHeathman maybe
When Dr. Strange says they’re all coming and he can’t stop it he’s talking about the fans and their theories.
That... Would make sense
😂😂😂😂
LOL
Jay I think this could go for any subject on the internet. It’s just very toxic all the time now, and it’s crazy that people worship it. Great video, keep going. You are one of my favorite content creators because your honest. Never change that
That sadly true. And everything behaves like a fandom these days. I mean hell even religion and politics behave like they are fandoms lol. It just has a lot to do with groupthink and mob mentality IMO.
@@DegenerateJay are you going to talk about Wb fighting game multiverses later
Truth
I havent seen any Godzilla fans flip out on eachother like this
@@at-rexontheinternet1388 They just know the movies they watch are goofy lmao
I love all of the spideys in love action, grew up with Tobey's, connected more with Andrew's and liked certain moments of Tom's. I'm particularly more fond of Andrew's but felt he got the short end of the stick when Sony came in messing things up but I typically get shit on alot for saying I prefer him so I don't really talk about my love for a certain iteration cause of that.
That's just the internet I guess.
Good for you man! I also like a lot of moments from Andrew's spidey. But I relate to Tom more. When he was refusing to become an "avenger" (growing up) in far from home he thinks he's not up to the task and he's not good enough and he worries about the public's perception of him (social anxiety) and it's further elevated by Nick Fury when he tells him he's not good enough. But at the end of the movie he ends up defeating an avengers level threat by being just himself. He doesn't have to be perfect. In MJ's words "I actually like it better broken"
@@isomericgamer6644 Yes Finally someone who likes Tom and understands him! Hes my favorite Spider Man.
@@obiwankenobi1532 glad to have someone that also understands :)
@@isomericgamer6644 Thanks. You too! 😉
I think one of the biggest issues is how people just don't know how to read, and this is on both sides.
If you praise Andrew's performance, and mention nothing about the movie, people somehow assume you're praising the movie.
And if you insult the movie and say Andrew deserved a better movie there are a thousand idiots that read "Andrew deserved better" as "Andrew did bad."
It's so exhausting.
Fun Fact eminem actually created the word "Stan". It is a combination of fan and stalker.
I’m not trying to be rude but I think we all knew that lol
Makes perfect sense.
My favorite thing is when an internet person uses a once derogatory word to positively self-identify themselves as it, completely oblivious to what they've just done.
@@Bad_At_Parties for real and I dont even know why people brag about stanning
@@aaronrowell2859 nah I think the word's taken a life of it's own. I'm sure there's a decent portion of people who say they stan someone don't actually know where the word comes from
Man this is sad that we have people attacking others for an opinion. But this is a problem with alot of fan bases
Wow you have an opinion please stop having an opinion
@@number1chesschampionsket683 thanks man jokes Crack me up
@@xposed7200 omfg no way you just said that. I am not going to Brazil
@@number1chesschampionsket683 I'm confused man Brazil is cool 😎
@@xposed7200 ye thanks
The amount of toxicity I've seen and experienced 'cause I prefer Tom Holland as Spider-Man is absurd. These are fictional characters and they're meant to entertain and inspire us but people are so fucking disgusting. People who harass or even threaten people over the internet over fictional preferences is abhorrent and they should seriously seek out psychological help.
I know. I had a friend who created a MCU Spider Man defense account proving all of the dtractors wrong ( let's be honest, 90 percent of criticisms are usually wrong) and the man everyday constantly gets harassed and bullied bc he had an opinion, or if he just loves making a fan page. Yesterday was his breaking point and he had to disable his account bc of death threats and amounts of bullying. Haven't really talked to him since and hes not gonna be posting for a while. I freaking love MCU Spider Man, but this fandoms just makes it so hard to enjoy.
@@adrianjames5970 This is very similar to my case actually. Even though I love MCU Spider Man I constantly praise the Raimi trilogy for being "the holy trilogy" because thats how I can avoid being attacked right? Truth is I actually think Tobey and his movies are overrated as hell, and I prefer Tom Holland and his Spider Man movies. Now this is just my opinion, but the point is that if you want to be part of a fanbase you have to do what everybody else does: constantly praise and worship things even if you know they have flaws. Say one thing about it or say you like something else more they'll hunt you down. This is why I think the Spider Man and Star Wars fanbases are thrworst fanbases on the internet, because they literally hate their own franchises.
@@obiwankenobi1532 completely agreed. Tobey was a great spidey but those movies feel so fake and forced. I really connect with Tom's Peter a lot more because I was in high school when Homecoming came out and so hes become my favorite version of the character. Unfortunately for me I can't be vocal about my love for it without someone trying to drag me down and tell me I'm wrong because I'm not a super Raimi fan. I've given up trying to be involved with the fan base as a result.
I was actually ignorant about this portion of the fan base and what people thought about them. Thanks for making a video on this.
How I envy you....
Hey dude, thanks for enjoying the video I appreciate it.
@@alveloss7880 lol.
You're not the only one. I was too, eventually I realized how stupid it was
@@adrianjames5970 You are actually me sir...Pre fanbase, I did actually think Tobey Maguire was the best Spider Man and Spider Man 2 was great, but I still loved Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland because tgey were still great with the material they were given. Post fanbase Tom Holland became my favourite Spider Man and FFH quickly became my favourite Spider Man movie. But these people are always over praising the Raimi films and are constantly shitting on those who dont like it or the ones that love MCU Spidey (like me) now I just hate this fandom and Tobey Maguire afting finding out how toxic they are. I gained some respect of the Raimi films back and I still love them, but gosh how they ruimed Spider Man for me...
Spider-Man is one of the reasons why I always walk on the side of the sidewalk closest to the street whenever I walk with my friends. He’s the reason why I’m protective over the elderly. He’s the one who made me protective over every person in my life in the best ways. He was my father when mine wasn’t around. I’m thankful for this character, he picked us up from our lowest point every time he showed up on the big screen, made a joke in the comics or saved the day. It’s a shame how some fans do the same thing a small percentage of religious people do, rage and rage.
@@dimitrescucrncevic9746 I know, it's just so absurd to me. It's just a fictional character not some sort of God. This and a couple of people are the reason why I don't like Spider Man anymore
Being 29, Tobey was what I saw as a kid. Then Amazing came out and I liked it a lot. Then when Tom comes out, before I even seen Homecoming, the war has started. So automatically I had to defend Tobey and somewhat Andrew. I just wish people had just been happy we got more Spidey. I look back and I hated Tom before giving him a chance. He looks like he is a great Spider-Man in this movie and some time I need to go back and rewatch HC and FFH with new eyes. I no longer bash any Spider-Man, I am truly happy to just be a fan now. If we get all 3, that would just be a treat to all fans.
Well unlike most Spider Man fans, I know respect you for giving these movies a chance before disliking him. Good job.
I now just have a question for you. Did your opinion change for Spider Tom after watching NWH and rewatching HC and FFH? Let me know ur thoughts
Well…
@@obiwankenobi1532 For sure! I went into both thinking he’s Iron Man Jr but after NWH I went back and have seen the growth and can respect the first two as a great origin that Tom has that will lead into another great series now officially his own Spider-MAN. I never understood the criticism for Amazing Spider-Man 2 of having too many villains when Spidey takes on S6 from time to time. Now I like Dane DeHaan as an actor but his Goblin could’ve used more work. Hopefully rumors are true and Andrew will get his trilogy.
@@doc5144 Well indeed.
The funniest to me was some fan yesterday who went after me for "plastering my comments everywhere" and called me childish because I agreed with your point and responded to 4 people. I guess I'm not allowed to like having a conversation or sharing my opinions unless I'm that person specifically. It's okay when he did it though.
Hey I saw you comment somewhere else bud. Gonna have to ask you to delete your account please.
@@DegenerateJay Wait, Clownfish TV has said some mean things about you?
@@etabiansosin No but a lot of people have said a lot of mean things about them where if they disagree with the mainstream take they get actual threats against their kids is really messed up.
@@DegenerateJay You should do a Review video on UA-camr Professor Geek. He has some interesting takes on Storytelling, but he can be a condescending prick.
@@DegenerateJay A lot of Anti-SJW's(not all of them) can be pretty toxic and have tendency to tell you that your not a real fan of this product if your a fan of a different version of that said product. For example, some of them will tell you that your not a real Star Wars fan if you support The Sequel Trilogy or your not a real Star Trek fan if you support Star Trek: Discovery or Star Trek: Picard. In their mind's if you support any product that's not The Original Trilogy, The Prequel Trilogy or The Original 5 Star Trek Shows, you'll be deemed as not a real fan of Star Wars or not a real fan of Star Trek. That's dumb. You can be a Star Wars or Star Trek and support all versions of Star Wars and all versions of Star Trek at the same time.
Very interested to hear your take on this. I find it amusing how no matter what you like other fans have to find a way online to tear you down about it. Just comes off as very weird and like they should have better things to do imo than police what people enjoy.
The amount of people getting in fights on the last video and calling each other names just goes to prove that
"In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually, they will hate you." - Green Goblin.
Here’s a different take: people are passionate about things they like and enjoy using their free time to interact with other people who have the same passion. When two people have opposing views on something they’re passionate about things get heated, That’s just how humans are, we form deep emotional attachments and will go to great lengths to defend them.
@@nerds-nonsense that’s true, however there are ways of going about it instead of attacking people with threats, racial abuse and disgusting comments etc.
@@JoeChard i never said there wasn't. i'm not really sure why you felt the need to tag me in that.
I disagree with the idea of its pointless concealing them, sure there are loads and loads of people who know about tobey maguire and garfield or have at least heard of it but its mostly online and younger people. There are millions of normal fans, movie fans and casual marvel fans who may have no idea of the rumours and leaks and so the surprise for them would be ruined
I don't really think this video is about that as much as it's just about the fans being pricks all the time to each other
@@thequestionable1413 sure but he mentions it and his last video was about it
Not at all, I have a few friends who don’t keep up with the Marvel stuff like hardcore fans and even they’re excited for Tobey and Andrew. Hell, Andrew’s talked about it on countless talk shows that casual fans watch
I stopped taking Spider-Man fans seriously when they started saying Peter laughing at Doc Ock’s name was disrespectful to the source material.
Doesn't this goes for every popular hero fanbase? You can't single out one cluster of fans. Robert Pattinson announcement made fans so much angry at the time (btw, my favorite Batman). Also, there's a clear divison of fans who like Zack Snyder's Batman and those who prefer the no killing code. Just wanna state, they're everywhere. Case in point: console wars.
Spider-Man is my favorite Marvel character of all time. I can relate to him in a way. But I hate the toxicity of the Fandom so much. I've left a few fan groups because the toxicity was overwhelming.
My take on Spider-Man is he's someone who will try to do the right thing even when his own personal life is falling apart.
thank god i don't get into the groups at all . I already have a dislike for rick and morty fanboys and i barely can watch the show without thinking, ugh, those fanboys .
i love spiderman. i get so excited every time hes going to appear on the big screen. i fanboy and shill and overanalyze EVERY spiderman trailer and film. doesnt matter who plays him. ill always be grateful for the fact we even get live action spidey films. let alone film made with this much care and at such a scale they can truly bring the art of the comics to life. ill never understand people who hate every version of the character that isnt the perfect reflection of what theyve created in their head.
Ah I see that you're a man of culture as well
So many people love Spider-Man and other popculture characters and franchises across all forms of media. The fact that a small groups of fans form vicious, vindictive cults around these beloved icons sickens me. Keep speaking your mind, Jay, and don't let these no-life dorks phase you or your opinions! Much love, brother!
it's weird that jameson was based off stan lee when he has more in common with the spiderman fandom
Jameson always looked like a Hitler parody to me.😅😂🤣
Man I wish I could be more like spider-man, to have shit go wrong in your life constantly yet still keep soldiering on... I prefer Tobey myself, but he was the first spider-man I was exposed to outside of the 90s cartoon. Though my favorite Spider-man overall has to be Spectacular spider-man, the cartoon.
Also with how much you say schway, I'd like to point out Terry is also one of my favorite super heroes bar none, and a proper Batman beyond game is long overdue. Stay Schway Jay!
You can be like Spider-Man! Stay Strong!
Im personally a Tom Holland fan because I just feel like there is no one else who embodies tge character as well as he does
I really, really didn't know this fanbase had a part of it that was so bad. That's mostly because I avoid fanbases and just prefer to enjoy the things I enjoy by myself because of things like this. On a more positive note, Marvel's twitter account here in Brazil dropped a video (I think it was removed but still) where that scene in the trailer with Spidey and all of those villains jumping at each other, and Lizard and Electro are jumping at nobody. The scene in that video was some seconds longer than the one in the trailer, and you can see Lizard randomly getting thrown back by something invisible, as if he was punched by someone. So... terribly kept secret is still terribly kept :p
I really don’t get what leads people to be so toxic over a goddamn fictional character. This is why the internet causes so many problems all over the world. Its too easy to be toxic and just complete and utter bullies with absolutely no consequences. I really wish people would stop going after people for their opinion on things. I feel bad for these people and want to apologise on their behalf. Keep going with your amazing videos Jay and try to ignore the haters, they should have no impact on you or your incredible quality videos. Hope you and Jill are doing okay and staying safe with all the hate going around in the world :)
Because some are inspirational and some are our childhood. So it bothers people when a new interpretation exists to replace theirs as well as feeling alone. There’s many reasons for it. But yes, I agree we all need to relax.
@@adrianjames5970 sorta with ya on that.
As a Spider-Man fan I deeply love all the versions
I'm right there with you Logan
Ah I see that you are a man of culture as well.
Great video here Jay, just wanted to say that you destroyed that guy at 9:08.
I completely agree with you, I'm someone who's a big fan of tom hollands spider-man because it reminds me of the lee\ditko era, but when I say this a bunch of people start saying I'm wrong for liking that specific version and it kinda makes me wish I wasn't a fan of spider-man.
I wish people could have their own opinions without being cursed out. Personally, my favorite spidey is Garfield. He has the worst movies and him skateboarding is weird but as Spider-Man, he’s my favorite. I feel like Spider-Man is one of the most interesting superheroes to have opinions on so it’s sad that it’s also one of the most toxic ones.
@@ohyeah2066 see we can have our opinions and not judge example thank you man ☝🏽
Tom acts more like miles Morales than Stan’s original run but okay
@@ventusvanitas7544 that’s what I think as well
Do not let any idiotic people disrespect you for being a big fan of Tom Holland's Spider Man my man. You are and will always be a Spider Man fan because you love Spider Man. I love MCU Spider Man and I consider him the best version of Spider Man ever in my opinion.
I don’t understand why people are so upset over Tobey and Andrew not being in the trailer. In my opinion, the trailer was really good. Maybe I’m just weird but I’m more interested the villains for the movie and made more sense to show them off in the trailer before the main thing people are expecting to see. I want to see the Tobey and Andrew in the film, but from a business perspective, I can see why they wouldn’t put their biggest surprise in the second trailer
The Tobey McGuire fan base 👀
This is how I felt about the Marvel Avengers hate. The game has its problems of course, but the toxicity of people who actually hope and love the character being brought to the game was borderline disturbing. People are so narcissistic and entitled that they deserve something the way they want only. Good take and subscribed :).
I agree with this as well.
I love MCU Spider-Man a lot. I just really enjoy this iteration of the character and I want to see more. I love TASM1 and tho I don't like the Rami version of the character I understand why people do. So in the end of the day no matter what version you like they're all Spider-Man right?
Correct. I don't like Raimi as much as people do bc of how they over praise the movies and shit on the new ones.
But people are aloud to like what they like, and I will let them. So everybody must do the same.
I'm sure there's a toxic portion of any fandom, so, a toxic portion of the Spider-Man fandom, however small it may be, does exist. And yes, I agree with the stan analogy. Stans are more or less so obsessed with the thing they're a fan of, it's unhealthy. Heck, one friend was annoyed because I didnt like the second Spiderverse movie. It's my personal opinion that I didn't like it. I don't have to follow along with this mob mentality. I still love Spider-Man, though, despite some iterations not being my favorite
My friends don’t like when I say nwh is a bad Spider-Man more(well it could be better).
Yes I too personally was not a fan of Across the Spider-Verse
@@Dognutt69 There were more cons than there were pros, unfortunately. I wanted to like it, but, there were too many things wrong with it
They probably hate you specifically as a Spider-Man fan because you played Miles Morales on me, your lets play channel, but refused to play the original Spider-Man AND I can see Web of Shadows on your shelf.
Yea jay you heard him that’s why you shouldn’t have played miles we want spider man 2 now!!!!!
My first Spider-Man game is Spider-Man 3 on ps2 and my second Spider-Man game is the amazing Spider-Man on ps3
God this fandom. I remember I had people calling me overrated, and not a true Spider-Man fan. This was all because I said I think Spider-Man 2 is good but super overrated and think the first movie is better. To those people if I'm not a true Spider-Man fan how come I know how to try and not hurt people's feelings and you don't? Another time I had people saying to me that Ultimate Spider-Man was placed too high on a Spider-Man cartoon ranking I made in the comments of a video. I mean if they cared so much they could've just made their own lists.
You’re right, I get harassed by these haters, they’re not fans they just hate. Same thing happened to me I called Spider-man 2 overrated and I had these haters call me slurs, I still thought it was a good movie but I just said it’s far from the best Spider-man movie and I got hate. For example I think Tom Holland is the best Spider-man and he’s my favorite and I’ve been called gay, a retard and the n word a few times for saying that and it was from Tobey and Andrew fans, it’s funny cuz all 3 of the live action Spider-man are very similar to one another so If you hate 1 you hate all. I get all this hate because of a fictional character I look up to.
No wonder you are toxic
Calling them fans of Spider-Man is too generous. These "things" should just leave for all care. Calling people out for liking something you don't and saying their not a true Spider-Man fan is just painful. This is coming from personal experience because I miss the days when we could all talk about why we loved something without fighting each other. It almost makes me feel bad for being apart of such a terrible community
Facts.
You make your statements clear, and you did an awesome job on this one. You’re not afraid to get into the nitty gritty of this stuff, that’s something more people need these days. Keep up the good work!
Remember when opinions were a thing and people agreed to disagree? Good times.
Did they, bc ever since I was born all people did was bash on people with different opinions
Spider-Man is one of the greatest heroes!
But the fandom, most of the time they're the one's who hurt the movies most of the time.
I know it's their opinion's and it's not every fan's! Alot of them are great people!
Like you said, no one has to feel the same way, and that's okay.
Have a nice day, great content, keep on going. Have a nice day!
Bye!
I rarely comment online because it seems like I'm speaking to the lowest common denominator; but you nailed it when you said "like it was a religion." People spend so much time online or in front of the tv that their entire lives revolve around entertainment. So fandoms, celebrities and everything else involved has become the new gods of this generation. So Spiderman is just a part of the pantheon of our modern primitive society.
The Lizard was clearly fighting John Cena in the new trainer
I think that toxic parts of a fandom could make up like 1% of fans. I mean there's got to be at least a 100 million Spidey fans out there. 1% of that would be a million. Still a huge minority but big enough and loud enough that they are noticeable.
I think that's the case as in real life I never encounter anyone who has that mentality. Maybe I'll meet someone who's like "Oh you like Spider-Man 3, what's wrong with you?' but that's said in a jokey way. Even then their mentality is "If you like it that's fine. You do you."
The internet just makes it easier for all the toxic people to get together. And the healthy people see that and think "I'm not going anywhere near that" so the healthy part of the fandom doesn't have as much representation.
And there's all the fans who love something but aren't into fandom stuff. So they watch a trailer, enjoy it then move on with their lives. I guess that's why the likes and dislikes never come close to the views.
These characters are supposed to inspire people to be better. I’m starting my EMT course next month to be a firefighter and my very specific morals wouldn’t be what they are if it wasn’t for Batman. Spider-Man too. But whenever I see “fandoms” for these characters they’re pathetic and the complete opposite of the characters they stan like creeps. It’s just weird and messed up.
I hate prep time.
You hit everything about fandom's toxic nature. Sadly not many people can change their minds and still turn a hard heart on it instead of being a mature person.
1 Year later and the video is still relevant.
Japanese Spider-Man is still the most underrated.
One thing I hate about other superhero fans in general, is the constant gate keeping and bashing others for not liking a certain portrayal of a character. People have the right to like what they want to like.
Great video! I'm someone who definitely was really excited when "fandom culture" started. Interacting with people who liked the same things as me online was great but I agree, the small percent of people who can be very toxic just made me step away from it all and I just sort of watch now instead of interact so much and when I do and get negative comments just on my opinion on something I try to just ignore it.
A friend once told me that I reminded them of spider-man, and my first reaction was discomfort cause of the type of stuff you mentioned here.
Great video, it pains me to see people online fight about spider man, why can't we just like spider man lol
Watched the entire video and I agree with you Jay :) I love this character a lot and to me it’s perfectly fine for people to have their own thoughts because everybody is different and unique. Keep being honest man 👍🏻
Honestly agree with a lot of what you said. It's so hard to pick a favourite without experiencing toxicity in the fandom and it's honestly ridiculous that not even loving all versions is enough because you still get some entitled fan who needs to tear others down and prove that their version is the best
Your take on the modern world and these MCU movies is the perspective I've grown into, I really really wish I could've found out about the Spideyverse naturally in the film but reality is everyone has to find out every detail about the film before it comes out, now more than ever honestly.
It just makes me feel "scared" to even say I'm a fan for anything really now, there's a ton of games, movies and comics I like but I'll rarely outright say "I am a fan of this or that" online for this reason unless I'm in a group with relatively close friends.
I understand why people can get very passionate about a piece of fiction but like anything, consuming too much of that passion can then turn into a poison towards others around you and in turn, you will indirectly hurt the fiction you love the most.
Omg your words on the fandom is on point. It is almost like little online gangs…for example marvel and dc fandom both are horrible absolutely horrible they’ll rip each other’s throats out over who came first and who has more movies. But there is that portion of it that are cool people yk some like both some like marvel more and some like dc more. It’s what makes us different we aren’t robots programmed to like everything the same lmfao it’s so silly to me.
Every time I go on Instagram and say something about a spiderman post there's always these people who tell me to shut my mouth
I've noticed this with the movie versions. Tom is my favorite version and I see so many people hating those trying to defend him. Like I see an account debunking the reasons why he's a bad spiderman, and the comments are littered with people who think the account owner is a dumbass or should end their life because of their favorite spiderman. Like I'm not the biggest fan of Andrew's spiderman, but I won't attack those who love him.
Yeah same. It's hard being a Tom fan on the Internet.
@@obiwankenobi1532 It really is. I'll admit Tom has flaws, But the Tobey and Andrew fans just can't. They love tearing apart the Tom movies, calling him Stark Jr and how his identity is revealed easily, but you point out a plothole in their movies and they go crazy.
@@Rebelrose Yeah I know. I have my issues with MCU Spider Man, but they are actual issues. I think 90 percent of these idiotic criticisms are either unfair, misunderstood or really really dumb
@@obiwankenobi1532 Some I wonder if they actually watched the movie. Like people complain about Tony leaving Peter a huge check. But they clearly explain that isn't a check for Peter. It was for the program Aunt May started to help people who lost homes in the snap. I doubt Tony left him any money because he wasn't sure he'd be able to bring him back.
@@Rebelrose Yeah I just wish people just stopped bashing MCU Spider Man. He's a good adaptation and he is not Iron Boy Jr. I'm gonna soon respond to this guy telling me that MCU Spider man is bad, and honestly his reasoning is super pathetic I f you don't like MCU Spider man then that's you, but don't use stupid argument
I personally never thought that the Spider-Man fandom being toxic personally I find the Batman fandom being more toxic which is sad I like Batman but he’s so overexposed
It's very cliche to say that Superman, Batman and Spider-Man are 3 characters anyone loves.. But these are the characters I feel in love in 90s with their animated series respectively which eventually made me explore the world of comics book, superhero shows, videogames and everything that I love today.. But every since these characters are getting popular and/or mainstreamed more are more people are becoming crazy and toxic fans to a level even saying one thing about them are "oh, go read the comics" or "dude, are you even a Superman fan if you donno how it went down".. I mean, it's really not necessary for me to know everything about a character to like or love them, right!?! What I am trying to say is that these people who we call stans are increasing more and more and it's really annoying..
This is exactly why I could never be apart of a fanclub. Too much toxicity.
This is a deep and well done reflection, fandoms are not a bit of near of what their hero represents, our hero represents.
What do you mean Spider-Man is a great and a hero Spider-Man is a menace to society.
Real fans appreciate all Spider Man for their pros and cons, their performances, realizes that they are all different from one another, but appreciate that they are all great in their own way and are happy that we got three adaptations of their favorite character
Fake Fans be like:
tObEy's tOo WiNeY aNd oLd
tOM iS IRoN bOY jR
aNDreW Is tOo cOol aND an aSshOLe
You sir, are absolutely correct! Love your vids! Keep up the good work man!👍🏾
Thanks for keeping up the positivity Jay. You really got a good voice for the issues you talk about. I love it and your videos. Sure we may have similar opinions, but thanks for sticking up.
Wow 2 Spider-Man videos in a row! I’m impressed.
Most Spider-Man fans on the internet aren't even old enough to drive. They're annoying and toxic, sure, but they're just immature.
Why is that so true? XD
I definitely think that making a video like this is brave and dangerous, I hope the comments aren't that toxic for this video because I agree with you, myself being pretty big on star wars I feel frowned upon for not hating any of the movies that much
I never even realized that about the fandom, i wouldnt say im part of that I just watch the movies and read the comics and it has changed me for the better and seeing people act this way is just crazy to me nice video by the way.
And you can’t deny, Spider-Man has one of the, if not the best theme song out of any superhero ever.
@VinceSM Well I’m taking about og theme song. The one from the older cartoon. The one that goes 🎵 Spider-Man, Spider-Man, does whatever a spider can, spins a web any size, catches thieves just like flies. Look out! Here comes the Spider-Man. Is he strong? Listen up, he’s got radioactive blood. Can he swing from a thread? Take a look overhead, hey there, there goes the Spider-Man. In the chill of night at the scene of a crime, like a streak of light he arrives just in tiiiiiiime. Spider-Man, Spider-Man, friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Wealth and fame is ignored, action is reward. To him life is a great big bang up, wherever there’s a hang up you’ll find the Spider-Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan 🎵
What I like about No way home is that it should bring all 3 Spiderman fans together but some people gotta ruin it
I usually laugh at how fans of the NWH are always arguing over which live action Spider-Man is the best and how their going to appear in the movie, to hype people up to see the film. But the more they hype it up, the more they ruin the experience.
@@darkclaw1462 And I don't understand why people have it out for other fans. Like I prefer Tobey more than Tom doesn't mean other people can't like Tom lol
@@homersimpson5156 fr it doesn't have to be personal and it's not like one version of Spider-Man is evil or something it's just personal preference
@@randomnerd3402 Apparently Tom said his Peter is gonna go through some pain in this movie so I think he might get some character development there and maybe learn another lesson from it, just like he did from Uncle Ben's death
@@-Teague- 100 percent agree man but I guess some people just have some pent up frustration and like to take it out on others who disagree with them
Thank you for making great videos love your opinions man
I'm glad you touched on this, I'm a spiderman fan and I just wanna enjoy the movies. It's just a movie meant to be enjoyed in the end of the day
I’m really hoping that No Way Home helped ease the hostility among the fanbase, at least with the live action Spider-Men. Why argue over who’s the best when you could just enjoy them all being in one movie together
I hope so too because I thought it was genuinely really fun
@@DegenerateJay Same here. Like one of THE best mcu movies in my opinion. Top 5 easily. Really looking forward to seeing what they do with the character next and also looking forward to more of your videos
@@blakeforkins7375 No one has learned anything imo. Well some people have but I gotta gask: WHERE THE FUCK WAS THE HATER'S "KINDNESS" TOWARDS A PERSON WHO ONLY NEEDED TO GROW UP???????????????
This is very true. I think this can be expanded to life itself. Most people are generally good but the few pricks can spoil even the best of things for everyone.
Moral of the story: Spider-Man is awesome and Don’t be dickhead
8:16 they're like him but before he got his powers, loossed Uncle Ben and learned a lot of things from it
i agree with pretty much everything you said. fandom can bring people together. but, it can also make people act just so toxic. and i hate throwing that word around at anyone i dislike, but some deserve the title. with each fandom, there's always that one guy. it's unavoidable.
As a hardcore Batman fan, I think the same applies where the fans act nothing like the character and that saddens me a lot. Batman is a dude who exercises extreme self control, is a stoic and a man of virtue while the fans bully people who disagree with them, buy Batman merchandise oblivious to the blind consumerism they're contributing and generally thinks creating their own "Home Batcave" is about having a giant ass home theater instead of a space to meditate, study, improve yourself and generally do hard work for self improvement. I'm not saying I know better because I'm genuinely a moron, but I do think the best we could do with these fictional superheroes it to implement their values in our own lives for OUR OWN self improvement. Living virtuously is a superpower waiting for every one of us.
I literally just went though this yesterday with an MCU fan because I said that BvS Ultimate Edition is one of my favorite movies. This guy called my opinion shit and went on a whole rant about how marvel is better. All I said was I liked BvS
MCU fans sucks tbh.
Well that’s how fanbase in general
I'm a DC fan and i hate BvS
@@Ian-hj4yt but see how you didn’t belittle me liking it? You’re a respectful person
@@SonGoku-rf5wy Same
I completely agree with what you have said dude! You were able to convey and put into words alot of the things I have thought. I wish you well and hope you have a good day!
You cover some very good points Jay, this same logic can apply to music fans, sports fans as well especially football(soccer). Debates about Ronaldo and Messi usually result in the same type of toxicity you'd expect to find with Marvel, DC and Star Wars whenever there is a divided opinion. People get overly defensive for no reason as if their life depends on it.
I once made a remark about calling Messi and great player and Ronaldo being a great goalscorer and that was because of Messi having a better all round ability compared to Ronaldo, I still acknowledged Ronaldo on being incredible because of his other attributes and regardless of that I had abuse directed towards me even while I was trying to be as impartial as possible. When people take their obsessions too far they become a nightmare to deal with and that was the case with those Ronaldo fans.
With regards to the Spider-Man stuff I often see people mocking Tom and Andrew constantly when they don't even deserve it and the constant bias towards Tobey does irritate me a bit. A true Spider-Man fan would appreciate all the actors who took on the role with equal measure and give their respects where it's due.
Then of course there's the Batman prep time nonsense, like there's even people who say that Batman can beat Goku or God, it's ludicrous. I can get Batman beating someone like Iron Man, Captain America, Bane etc but him fighting a god is too much of a stretch even for Batman, of course he's one of my favourite superheroes alongside Spider-Man but he's just a man with no innate superpowers in peak physical condition who has lots of money and tech.
I forgot where I heard this but its pretty true nobody hates spider-man more than spider-man fans😂😂 keep up with the great videos jay
@@MR.GOAT. I don’t really know much of the Star Wars community but I’ve seen spidey fans fight over everything from the games to tv shows like the spectacular and the 90s but overall it is mostly bout the movies
I think there are two types of fans. One type of fan seeks to emulate and learn from the character while personalizing the experience, and another just enjoys the crap out of the character seeking to impose their will onto others. It really does seem like religion. I'm a long-time Batman fan, but I'm not nearly as obsessed as I once was.
I'll say this. I think it's way better to actually be religious (faith in God type of stuff), than to be religious over comic book characters.
On the subject of not showing the two other Spider-Man in NWH, I still think that it's a good idea to save the scenes for the film. Despite the valid reasons you made, to me I think it would be more epic to see their presence first hand on a silver screen tbh. We know they're gonna be in the movie, sure, but we don't know how they will enter the movie, and I think that will be awesome to see :D But great video nonetheless!
What makes this sad is that the character is supposed to be relatable and some of our fandom like is making that pieces of him disappear 😔
Unfortunately every single Fandom has a vocal minority that makes the rest of the fans look bad. It's good to know some of us are still rational enough to know that this mindset is completely fucked. Mad respect bro, I'd love to talk one on one about this sort of thing with you guys
Damn I didn't realize us spider man fans was getting hate the toxic ones I understand but the normal ones? Damn
Great vid didn’t fall asleep like the other people who made it to the end 🤣. And I have got really turned off from fandom just from sitting back and watching like the Star Wars fans who treat the movies like their identity, a bit crazy to me but people like to follow masses I suppose
My dad had a saying about running a restaurant, 20% of your customers cause 80% of your headaches. Unfortunately the same is true about basically every fandom.
I think all 3 Spider-Men r great in their own way. They each brought something to the table
Totally agreed tobey maguire's spider-man has maximum number of toxic fans these toxic fans made the trilogy enjoyable for me whenever I see any movie of the trilogy it reminds me of those toxic fools they have to understand that everybody has their own opinion and choices and they have to respect everyone's opinion.
It stems from the potential of what anything can accomplish, the good and the bad. Just look at some positive aspects of fandoms with what they can accomplish when they are really passionate about the things they like (good examples are some Fantastic fan-animations of Dragon Ball on UA-cam or fan-games of Sonic or Undertale that tell interesting stories with those characters) the possibilities are endless and make me appreciate the positive aspects of fandom. However, because the potential to do good things is so great, that also has an opposite effect where fandoms can and have been so horrible to the people that gave them what they love and each other. It's sad to see that come from properties that try to inspire us to be the best we can be but I guess some people lack those types of qualities and see properties like Spider-Man and envy something they don't have. Good analysis and video (p.s. I just find it funny how this robber was knocked out by Spidey at 9:07)
It's the Tobey fans only. They are always shitting on the Tom Holland fans. They only like Tobey because of Nostalgia.
I’m a Spider-Man Fan
(Prepares for Comment War from expressing my likeness of Spider-Man)
I hate most fans of the things I'm into especially Dragon Ball, Kingdom Hearts, Rick & Morty and Sonic they're all mainly man babies
I like Kingdom Hearts too, but the fans can be..annoying.
The worst part is if you talk to individuals irl most are great. I think it's online anonymity + groups that make people like this. It's too bad cause the internet simultaneously finds a way to bring out the best and the worst in people.
@@visionary1138 Definitely this. The issue is almost never individual fans if you were to talk to someone alone. It certainly can be but it's usually more of a group problem.
It’s backwards for SJWs as well but fair point.
I couldn't agree more man. Great video!
I absolutely do appreciate you bringing this topic up and having a nuanced take. Idk why but it seems like most people are hard-wired for strictly black and white thinking.
Yo no odio a los fandoms, porque son solo personas que tienen el derecho de hacer lo que quieran. Además odiar a una persona sin conocerla bien es bastante ridículo.
Fandoms as a group can often be the worst thing ever. Individual fans are almost always nice. When people get in big groups they can get pretty mean.
I love all 3 of them Tobey is my favorite but i won’t trash on people because there favorite Spiderman isn’t the same one i like.
I respect you so much
Legend
I stayed till the end and I feel validated now :)
I feel like I have acted this way sometimes on the Internet, mainly because is too easy to dehumanize a text on your screen, but I've noticed before how I've acted and I avoid it whenever I notice it, for the record, I've never insulted anyone on the Internet, but I have fallen into those toxic fandom stupid arguments and I feel dumb and bad after them, it's a toxic practice that I hate doing but every now and then I can't help but to do
Thanks for talking about this topic, I've recently discovered this channel and I really like this weird format of your videos where you just rant about things you think, I dunno, it really simple and easy to swallow AND respectful, and I love agreeing and disagreeing with you, and I sometimes leave those Bible long comments leaving my opinion on the topic you talk about, respectfully, of course
Also, as a Batman fan, I also think a lot of the fandom is stupid with the prep time thing
Thanks for coming to my ted talk
I am a Spider-Man fan and I understand that a lot of people are like this and I don’t like people like this. I’m just a fan who likes to enjoy the movies games, tv shows and comics. Sometimes I just wish these people weren’t like this. Thank you for bringing these people in the spotlight