Someone tell this gentleman to put a channel up with world history from genghis to ww2 to civil and see millions subscribe...one of the best history teachers I’ve seen.
I love that you say at the end that Constantine was a great example of how "the kings of the earth bring their glory into it". That is absolutely majestic and honors our Lord. I was filled with awe when you said that. Greetings from Germany
@@aquillafleetwood8180 , Search on here .. For Michael Rood _ He explains better! He not only kill Christians he also change the bible Very sad story !!
this first council was an abomination they changed the true One God the Father who became flesh into a pagan god with three heads.The Jews never worship a triune God of three persons.We know that this was the beginning of the roman catholic church, the church of tares.
@@michelhaineault6654 Wrong. The bible is clear that there is a Trinity. God the FAther, is not JEsus Christ. That which you have stated is monarchianism which was not apostolic teaching, but it was introduced around this time. The abomination was no the council, but heretics who twisted the biblical teaching and like to pretend, the way you are doing, as if you would have always been there.
Prof Gore, thanks one more for this wonderful lecture and it has come at a time when God opened my eyes to the words of Psalms 105:8-10 and I have been meditating on it. Because God remembered his covenant to the descendants of Abraham (Exodus 23-24), He sent them a saviour, Moses (Exodus 3:6-8). And if the words of Romans 2:29 is applied to the Christians as Covenant people of God, He sent them another saviour, Constantine. Just like in Exodus, God gave the victory to his messenger while the enemies, with their horses and riders were drown in the sea. Halleluyah! Our God is awesome, He is wise in heart and mighty in strength, who hath hardened himself against him and hath prospered? None! To God be all the glory!
Excellent lecture as usual by Bruce Gore. Diocletian didn't die right away, he retired and that was a part of his plan for the succession. His second in command would then take over and appoint a new second in command. That was a part of his tetrarchy plans for ruling the empire.
wow...speechless. Thanks especially for clarifying that The Holy City of St. John's Revelation is the city of God on Earth and that we, our bodies, are God's Temple on Earth. Most people want to push that imagery into a supernatural Heaven, I think, because they don't want to take responsibility for building Christ's Kingdom on Earth. There is this elitist misinterpretation of scripture that only we and our group are to be saved and everybody else can be excluded. I see some of that in John's vision, but I also think he means for us to continue working, century after century to spread Christ's love to all the nations, to all people. People certainly have the freedom to reject it without being slaughtered as heretics, but we must offer it to everyone and build a world that loves like Christ here on earth, not just escape after we die to some distant heaven. That vision makes all the difference, doesn't it. Thank you for making Jesus' compassion for this world so clear.
I admire your graciousness toward Constantine in this teaching. I have been one of the skeptics of his testimony in church history and have long given him credit for causing Christian compromise. I pray he was indeed a true follower of Christ, why should I want him to have been anything but. Thank you again for a great history lesson with biblical application for our lives today.
Amazing lectures sir. I have ordered your book Historical context of the God people. I would like to know if there is a book I can buy about church history.
Thank you! A good introduction to church history was written by Earle Cairns some years back, but has been recently updated. It is a good place to start in my opinion. www.amazon.com/Christianity-Through-Centuries-Earle-Cairns/dp/0310208122/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496690582&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=cairnes+church+history
Just starting this today, which you suggested. I was wondering. Is there any mention of early church leaders from different sects that mentioned baptism for the dead? Also, what's a good book about the good that Christianity has done for the world? I remember you said it and i wrote it but can't find it.
I am not aware of any specific reference to 'baptism for the dead' in early Christian writing, and it was certainly not part of any known Christian practice. Paul's allusion in 1 Cor. 15 appears to have been a reference to a known practice in the religious practice of the Roman world, arguing that even those outside the Christian or Jewish understanding had an instinct of resurrection (or life after death). The book Under the Influence by Alvin Schmidt is excellent on the question of the Christian influence in history: www.amazon.com/Under-Influence-Christianity-Transformed-Civilization/dp/0310236371/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=under+the+influence&qid=1620737718&sr=8-16
You are very hard on Constantine, Bruce. I take the view that he was playing the hand he was dealt, and his best sayings are surely lost to history. He freed the slaves. He protected the faithful. Come on, where is the love?
@@trebleclef3886 where do you get that? There was no bible until after the council of Carthage in 392. Constantine died in 337. Thus he could not have burnt any bibles.
@@mightyeagle51 of course there was a bible. "By the time of the Diocletianic persecution in 303 Roman authorities, in their campaign to confiscate Christian property, included the requirement that Christian books be handed in and burned. In the words of Eusebius, "We saw with our very eyes ... the inspired and sacred scriptures committed to the flames in the marketplaces" in response to the imperial letter "ordering the destruction by fire of the scriptures" (Hist. eccl. 8.2.l and 4). The requirement showed that the authorities knew Christians had an identifiable set of holy writings and knew their importance to the Christian communities. Hierocles, governor of Bithynia and the chief promoter of the persecution, knew the Christian Bible, and had already attempted in two books against the Christians "to prove the falsehood of sacred scripture," by which was meant Christian sacred writings, as the reference to Paul and Peter makes clear. Christians themselves thought they had an identifiable set of scriptures, for they immediately experienced a moral dilemma over giving up documents to the authorities, an issue that became the occasion for the Donatist schism. Christians might hide writings, try to pass off apocryphal and heretical texts, or in some cases debate what to hand over and what not to, but for the most part they knew what books the soldiers were looking for." (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 317, 2002)
@@bonnenaturel6688 You are confused. Yes, they knew the Scriptures, but that was not they bible yet. The wasn't even a cannon as to what books were to be included. The Scriptures you are referring to were the Septuagint. That is not quite a Bible yet. And even if it were, there is no evidence that Constantine participated in the burning of these books. Let me correct you on this point. 1. The Scriptures that were burnt was the Septuagint. The Scriptures that were often quoted were from the Septuagint. Furthermore, the Scriptures that were burned were not limited to the books that are now called the bible. There were many more books written which never made it into the bible and were still being burned by the pagan rulers. 2. It is funny that you cite Eusebius of Caesaria but fail to take into account the times referred. To be specific, you cited from book 8 of Historia Ecclesiastica. If you look more closeley. You will see that it is actually the total opposite. Those who burned the Scritpres were Diocletian and Maxentius. Their rule predates the time of Constantine.
I would've liked to know more about how diocletion died was it supernatural in nature or as Constantine puts it was it simply the case that those who followed Christ faired better? also an indepth study on sebellius the heretic
Would certainly have liked to hear your lecture including a discussion of Origen. Edit: realize there are time constraints. Did learn that Valerius Diocletianus intentionally divided the empire into the four administrative districts. Don't know how I missed this nor why it is not included in my notes.
At 17 min 45 sec he says Constantine's mother was sainted by the Catholic Church. There is a clarification in order here. The Orthodx Christian Church was the Church that did that. "Catholic" here in the west means Vatican. The Church at this time in History was Orthodox. A distinction made after the great schism and 4th Crusade events that showed the Roman Bishop to be infected.
Hi Pastor Gore. I understand that early "Christian" thinkers did not have the centuries of Christian thought which have informed our own faith in Christ. But can they still be called "Christian" when they deny the Trinity or, in the very least, the deity of the Lord Jesus (like Arius and others)? Certainly, today neither Baptists nor strong Presbyterians like yourself would consider the Jehovah's Witnesses saved or Christian. This question is not meant, at all, to be provocative.
Yes, it's an interesting question. I don't pretend to know the state of the heart of early Christians who had misguided ideas. It certainly seems that our understanding has gradually, but dramatically, improved over the centuries and that we should always be seeking to embrace the truth of Christ as accurately as possible, relying on the wisdom of our many fathers and mothers in the faith.
their sin consist at rejecting Christ being Yahweh in flesh,as the Jews did and as the trinitarians continue to do. We are saves by Grace trough Faith IN CHRIST and NEVER TROUGH A TRIUNE GODS.I personnally wonder if a trinitarian can be saves because He believe in a false Jesus and a false God rejecting the SON as being the Eternal Spirit of the living one who came and dwell among us (Emmanuel) Jesus was the living Tabernacle of the Father who came to saves is peoples as the sacrificial. Jesus is the Holy of the holies the one true God and eternal life (1John3:20) Jesus is I AM (Father) before Abraham exist I AM !!! Before is incarnation Jesus was I AM.
@@michelhaineault6654 the term I am that Jesus used.. in the Greek in Hebrew text actually conveys the meaning "I existed"... Therefore Jesus was saying to them "before Abraham was ...I existed".. look it up it's not hard to do..
@@astrialindah2773 ??? So the Jews want to stone Jesus because he say I EXISTED 😆 Jesus was saying '' before Abraham exist I AM .... and I AM is the name of Yahweh so Jesus was clearly proclaiming to be God THE FATHER IN THE FLESH as teach in 1Tim.3:16 and John1:14 etc. and there is more about Jesus being I AM 2 John8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that '' I AM '' , ye shall die in your sins. This warning is so severe and serious that Jesus repeat it twice ! So if you do not believe this you will die in your sins for to believe in the true biblical Jesus it's to believe he is God the Father in the flesh this is why he say : Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. Our kingdom is in Heaven not on earth.
God is Triune not a trinity. At the end of the Millennium, Christ the Son of God (Word made manifest in the flesh) is subsumed into God and God is all in all. Read 1 Corinthians 15:28 > And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto HIM that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 - HIS essence is triune means three dimensions of God - Father, Word and Holy Spirit. HE is ONE . On the other hand trinity is a combination or composition of three into one. Shalom.
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 - no, I am not. Triune is ONE who is the Father, Word and Holy Spirit ; the Word manifested in the flesh is Jesus Christ. Trinity is a concept that other religions have - they call it trimurti.. some denominational Christian groups have also used the term Trinity to refer to the Godhead. As explained earlier at the end of time - in eternity there is only One GOD who is all in all. Refer 1 Corinthians 15:28. Shalom
Yes, that scripture shows us that once Jesus accomplishes all things that his father gave him to do, which includes having put death underneath of him finally.. then he hands all things back to his father who gave him that authority and becomes subject to his father's authority..
one simple question your father killed someone should you do 20 years in jail for what your father did? if your answer is yes I question your morality I don't think it's just that you pay for what someone else did so in that case the mistreatment of the African American their children should be paying for what they did someone said because of Adam and eve the killing of chidren in Samuel 15 was just I say man put that in the bible like Emperor Constantine
Not a single sigh nor a single point added on Athanasius Orthodox faith. However add on this faith even a single point shouldn't be defined a citizen in The Temple. And btw we don't do voting on Kings, this is too silly suggestion.
Worth noting that the Apostolic Christians weren't trinitarian... Matthew 28:19 wasn't in the original Hebrew, but added later to the Greek. The Spirit IS God, not a separate 'person'. In John 20:22, Jesus tells us the truth: "Receive ye the Holy Spirit". Trinitarianism is a 'three god' idea that the pagan Vatican Antichrist has pushed from the start.
We need to consider early Apostolic Christianity from Satan's perspective. Persecution hadn't worked so he had Constantine pretend to become 'christian', along with his mother, and the pagan world subsumed Christianity. The final 10 years of Diocletian Persecution, prophesied in Revelations 2:10, is the final set up to persuade Christians that Constantine was serious about conversion. The dream cross sign was a self-evident fraud. His rule is the set up for the later pagan Vatican Antichrist, which continued to persecute Apostolic Christians. Read these Books: The Two Babylons and The Woman Rides the Beast
Thanks for your thoughts. Note please, the New Testament was not written in Hebrew but Greek. The text of Matthew 28:19 is unquestionably the Greek text that was original with the author.
@32:05 you asserted that faith cannot be induced by force or bribery, but the Islamic world was established by the sword and persecution and has persisted for 1400 years. I therefore believe that faith can, at least in a substantial proportion of people, be induced by coercive force. This is unfortunate, but I see no other possible inference. Unless, of course, you were only referring to the true faith in Christ.
Submission can certainly be induced, in many cases, by force or coercion. Genuine faith in Christ can not be induced either by force or by enticement, only by God's Spirit.
Not entirely. Under eg the Abbassid Caliphate, Jews and Christians were neither persecuted nor forced to convert. They did, however, have to pay extra taxes, which is not unlike the two-Tier taxation introduced by Constantine.
Interesting!! Yeshua help us He change the name of SON of God! Yeshua, was his birth name 2000 years old (( Jesus 300 years old )) He change the Bible search, Michael Rood can explain better etc. #bible #jesus #yeshua #church #catholic #cristians #new
Jesus ha been used for quite a long time. Yeshwa was turned into Iesous by the Greeks due to linguitic issues, which in turn became Jesus by the Romans
AT 7MIN 40 SEC he says the Jewish approach was hard monotheism. They didn't even know the word. He is wrong. Not only that, but Judaism at that time does not resemble Rabbinic Judaism rhat we see today.
@Okieshowedem Jesus death opened the way of salvation for humanity . God told Adam that if he eats from that tree he, Adam will die. By disobeying God and eating from that tree Adam sined that is the original sin. Romans 6,23 says "For the wages sin pays is death" Therefore, Adam payed for that sin with his life. And that sin was past on to Adam's offspring of which we are. Then to get our sins wiped we die. Romans 6 verse 7 says " for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sins" Kind of harsh punishment but Adam was responsible for the rest of humans by how he obeyed his Creator. Romans 5 verse 12 says " As through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin and so death spread to all men because they all sinned ". This is it, we take it or leave it. Well, through resurrection we come back to a kind of life God prepared for humans ,a perfect one like Adam enjoyed before he decided to follow Satan.
PS not ok to kill babies no mater if you think it's the word of God or not I think the most evil thing you can to is kill a baby have you ever held one?
you have beenisyening to crazies. Constantine could not have burned any bibles for he died in 337 and there was no bible until the council of carthage of 392
@@bonnenaturel6688 yea, every research needs to cite a source. Even history. There are a lot of Crazies who invent things. If you cannot cite it with a source, it did not happen.
this man was a murderer politician Jesus love everyone as you love yourself simple this is honoring our lord? killing did Jesus say kill people if their not like you? where self is truth cannot be
Great lecturer, but a couple minor corrections needed: Licinius was married to Constantia, sister of Constantine. Maxentius was the brother of Fausta, wife of Constantine. Also Diocletian retired the throne in 305, but died years later on his cabbage farm. Severus was appointed by Galerius, successor of Diocletian, who actually died a painful death. Other than that, good stuff
@@GoreBruce thank you for the content! I grew up with a love of Roman history and now find myself fascinated by early church history. Glad I found this channel!
The first few of these in this series so far.. *YAAS!* Hope in the next series is the one who punches heretics! 😍 #DeusVult Then I'll just skip on to Pope Boniface VIII. He gets a bad rap, but really... _got his Deus Vult on!_
First, thank you for sharing the gifts that G-D has given you. Constantine set his sails for the prevailing winds of Christianity. adding jesus to the Roman Pantheon'. just a rant from a wanna be berean.
Paul of Samosata was a Biblical Unitarian not a JW. Trinitarianism wasn't incomplete until 381 A.D. with the addition of the Holy Spirit as a person and Theodosius I instituted this with the Roman soldier's sword. Bruce please stop editing history. Constantine was an inveterate pagan.
Thanks for the feedback. For clarity on this, please consult Kenneth Scott Latourette, Philip Schaff, or any other decent history of the Christian movement.
@@mightyeagle51 homoousia was condemned at the synod of antioch in the same council which condemned Paul of Samosata also rejected the term homoousios. It seem Nicaea is when the Platonic bishops hopped in bed with Constantine in 325 but other emperor were Arian until Feb. 380 A.D. and then Theodosius with his Roman sword and the Edict of Thessalonica won the day. Read the Jesus Wars. Additionally ...p.s. I like Bruce but he's subject to criticism from his academic peers and any researchers.
@@tomidomusic Provide your sources. For as much, none of the research that I have seen state that Homousios was condemned in any council, except the Council of the Oak. That one was also held in Antioch and I assume it is the one you must be referring to. However, it was not during the time of Paul of Samosata. It was much later. It was also called a Robber Council for a reason, namely, it was held by heretics to push heretical teaching. In which case, you point becomes mute. As for the other Emperors being Arian, that is sadly the case. I do agree with you there. Constantius II and Constantine II betrayed their father's memory by supporting the very heretic that was condemned, Arius of Alexandria. Don't forget how these same Arian emperors also persecuted the Catholic/Orthodox church. As for Theodosius coming in with the sword, it was more in account of the attacks from invading sources like the Sassanids from Persia more so than the heretical impositions forced on the Church by the eastern emperors.
Never did Jesus Christ say he was God. The Apostles never thought Jesus Christ was God but his son, their promised Messiah. Jesus Christ was a man, a sinless man worthy of immortality conceived by the power of God. LOGOS is ‘the outward expression of inward thought’ but NOT Jesus Christ.
“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?” ― Friedrich Nietzsche
For me Constantine the great apostate appear as being the first roman catholic pope.It's Constantine who was sitting on the throne at this council is desire was to make the Christian religion the religion of ROME the great Babylonian prostitute.And as Yahweh and Jesus teach = Love the Lord your God and NOT love the three Lords your God.
You are completely wrong. Constantine the Great was not a Pope at all. Constantine the Great lived from the years 274 through 337. During those times the Popes were Dyonisius (268-278), Eutiquianus (278-283), Cayus (283-295), Marcelinus (295-304), Then there was a brief interegnum because of Diocletian's persecution from 304-308. Then after Diocletian retired in 305, the Church was able to get popes again. Marcellus (308-309), Eusebius (309-310), Miltiades (310-314), Silvester (314-335), Marcus (335-336) and Juluis (336-351). As you see, Constantine the Great was never pope. Furthermore, these are popes 28-35. The sad thing is that although you are hearing these discussion of Church History, you are stubborn in your false interpretation of history. The Trinity is a completely biblical doctrine. The Trinity is not a worship of three different gods. It is one and only one God in three different beings. The fact that you do not get this proves that you do not have the Spirit yet because you are merely interpreting with human logic and not divine teaching. Pay closer attention. IN reality, the Church has always preached a trinity. The trinity was not denied until Paul of Samosata. That is when YOUR doctrine came into play.
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 show me a clear verse where God teach '' I am three different persons'' as you so proudly claim ??? IT DOESN'T EXIST !! But here what the true one God who is SPIRIT and ONE and never three say:1 Tim2:5 "For there is ""ONE GOD"", and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD" (ONE Lord not THREE Lords) James 2:19 "You believe that ""THERE IS ONE GOD"". Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder." Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, ""I AM"" the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ""ALONE""; that spreadeth abroad the earth by ""MYSELF"" Since when the word ALONE and MYSELF mean MANY ONES ????
@@michelhaineault6654 Totally false. Neither the Council of Nicea nor any other council ever introduces new doctrine. What the councils do, is they give a heretic to expound his or her ideas to be analyzed by the church LED BY SCRIPTURE, APOSTOLIC SUCESSION AND ESPECIALLY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Once the doctrine has been analyzed, if the doctrine is found lacking according to those sources, then it is anathemized. If the Council of Nicea accepted the Triune God, that is because it is Scritureally based. You will find it in Genesis 1:26 and John 1:1 as well as in Matthe2 28:19.
It's insane that I can watch this for free. This series is amazing.
I know. Mr Gore is a great teacher and gift to the church of God. ❤
@@jayems332 He truly is. I felt like I hit the biblical jackpot when I found this page.
Soli Deo Gloria!
Someone tell this gentleman to put a channel up with world history from genghis to ww2 to civil and see millions subscribe...one of the best history teachers I’ve seen.
May the Lord bless you for such a wonderful presentation. Immensely informative.
Thank you Sir, This is great help for my studies. May God continually strengthen you.
Thank you! I am delighted to be of service!
Super encouraging at the end brother ! Praise God!
What a blessed to be able to hear your wonderful teachings. Thank you so very mucho.
Bruce is a teacher par excellence.
Great lecture. Loved the application at the end from Revelation. Thanks Bruce!
I absolutely love learning your series here!
+chocolatethundercat Thank you!
I agree, my Christian life has been enriched by these lectures.
I love that you say at the end that Constantine was a great example of how "the kings of the earth bring their glory into it". That is absolutely majestic and honors our Lord. I was filled with awe when you said that. Greetings from Germany
+Benzkopf Thank you!...and greetings to you and yours from Spokane!
Constantine harmed true Christianity! It eventually brought the Catholic church!
@@aquillafleetwood8180 , Search on here .. For Michael Rood _ He explains better! He not only kill Christians he also change the bible Very sad story !!
this first council was an abomination they changed the true One God the Father who became flesh into a pagan god with three heads.The Jews never worship a triune God of three persons.We know that this was the beginning of the roman catholic church, the church of tares.
@@michelhaineault6654 Wrong. The bible is clear that there is a Trinity. God the FAther, is not JEsus Christ. That which you have stated is monarchianism which was not apostolic teaching, but it was introduced around this time. The abomination was no the council, but heretics who twisted the biblical teaching and like to pretend, the way you are doing, as if you would have always been there.
Thank you for this thought-provoking lecture. Praise God for your gift of excellent delivery.
Prof Gore, thanks one more for this wonderful lecture and it has come at a time when God opened my eyes to the words of Psalms 105:8-10 and I have been meditating on it. Because God remembered his covenant to the descendants of Abraham (Exodus 23-24), He sent them a saviour, Moses (Exodus 3:6-8). And if the words of Romans 2:29 is applied to the Christians as Covenant people of God, He sent them another saviour, Constantine. Just like in Exodus, God gave the victory to his messenger while the enemies, with their horses and riders were drown in the sea. Halleluyah! Our God is awesome, He is wise in heart and mighty in strength, who hath hardened himself against him and hath prospered? None! To God be all the glory!
Dear mr Gore, i love your channel and your lessons. You are a great professor!!!! May God bless you!
Thank you!
I will watch all your videos
Did you?
I really appreciate your lecture.
Excellent lecture as usual by Bruce Gore. Diocletian didn't die right away, he retired and that was a part of his plan for the succession. His second in command would then take over and appoint a new second in command. That was a part of his tetrarchy plans for ruling the empire.
Thanks for the clarification!
The only emperor to retire. They wanted him back so badly but he was enjoying his cabbage garden. 😊
Fantastic series!
I'm so blessed with the teaching and very much fascinate on the word
Love these presentations
These are awesome
+Logan Ross Thank you!
powerful lectures. thanks
Thank you!
So great to have access to this content. Imagine if there was video of the Church fathers…even of Jesus Christ….would be epic.
wow...speechless. Thanks especially for clarifying that The Holy City of St. John's Revelation is the city of God on Earth and that we, our bodies, are God's Temple on Earth. Most people want to push that imagery into a supernatural Heaven, I think, because they don't want to take responsibility for building Christ's Kingdom on Earth. There is this elitist misinterpretation of scripture that only we and our group are to be saved and everybody else can be excluded. I see some of that in John's vision, but I also think he means for us to continue working, century after century to spread Christ's love to all the nations, to all people. People certainly have the freedom to reject it without being slaughtered as heretics, but we must offer it to everyone and build a world that loves like Christ here on earth, not just escape after we die to some distant heaven. That vision makes all the difference, doesn't it. Thank you for making Jesus' compassion for this world so clear.
living history even for those who do hot see well! blessings
+Penny Johnson Thank you!
Any more history courses to come Bruce? Amazing stuff, thank you!
I admire your graciousness toward Constantine in this teaching. I have been one of the skeptics of his testimony in church history and have long given him credit for causing Christian compromise. I pray he was indeed a true follower of Christ, why should I want him to have been anything but.
Thank you again for a great history lesson with
biblical application for our lives today.
History is never tidy, but on the whole I'm inclined to give Constantine the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for your encouraging feedback!
You might want to look at Eusebius of Cesarea, Constantine's biographer to get a more realistic and thorough view of Constantine
There were also state run persecutions under Marcus Aurelius in late 2nd cent and Decius in mid 3rd cent.
Amazing lectures sir. I have ordered your book Historical context of the God people. I would like to know if there is a book I can buy about church history.
Thank you! A good introduction to church history was written by Earle Cairns some years back, but has been recently updated. It is a good place to start in my opinion.
www.amazon.com/Christianity-Through-Centuries-Earle-Cairns/dp/0310208122/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496690582&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=cairnes+church+history
Thank you sir.
Just starting this today, which you suggested. I was wondering. Is there any mention of early church leaders from different sects that mentioned baptism for the dead?
Also, what's a good book about the good that Christianity has done for the world? I remember you said it and i wrote it but can't find it.
I am not aware of any specific reference to 'baptism for the dead' in early Christian writing, and it was certainly not part of any known Christian practice. Paul's allusion in 1 Cor. 15 appears to have been a reference to a known practice in the religious practice of the Roman world, arguing that even those outside the Christian or Jewish understanding had an instinct of resurrection (or life after death).
The book Under the Influence by Alvin Schmidt is excellent on the question of the Christian influence in history:
www.amazon.com/Under-Influence-Christianity-Transformed-Civilization/dp/0310236371/ref=sr_1_16?dchild=1&keywords=under+the+influence&qid=1620737718&sr=8-16
@@GoreBruce Thanks for the context about that. I never heard it was a Roman practice.
Yes, I remember that was the book you mentioned elsewhere.
Thanks for that clarification. I've always wondered about that verse!@@GoreBruce
Diocletian died in 311.
He retired in 305.
Thanks for the correction!
this is awesome
According to history we are still trying 😅 to be nice towards each other
You are very hard on Constantine, Bruce. I take the view that he was playing the hand he was dealt, and his best sayings are surely lost to history. He freed the slaves. He protected the faithful. Come on, where is the love?
Wow! I'm usually accused of being too soft on him!
he burned 300 bible versions, that alone is unforgivable.
@@trebleclef3886 where do you get that? There was no bible until after the council of Carthage in 392. Constantine died in 337. Thus he could not have burnt any bibles.
@@mightyeagle51 of course there was a bible. "By the time of the Diocletianic persecution in 303 Roman authorities, in their campaign to confiscate Christian property, included the requirement that Christian books be handed in and burned. In the words of Eusebius, "We saw with our very eyes ... the inspired and sacred scriptures committed to the flames in the marketplaces" in response to the imperial letter "ordering the destruction by fire of the scriptures" (Hist. eccl. 8.2.l and 4). The requirement showed that the authorities knew Christians had an identifiable set of holy writings and knew their importance to the Christian communities. Hierocles, governor of Bithynia and the chief promoter of the persecution, knew the Christian Bible, and had already attempted in two books against the Christians "to prove the falsehood of sacred scripture," by which was meant Christian sacred writings, as the reference to Paul and Peter makes clear. Christians themselves thought they had an identifiable set of scriptures, for they immediately experienced a moral dilemma over giving up documents to the authorities, an issue that became the occasion for the Donatist schism. Christians might hide writings, try to pass off apocryphal and heretical texts, or in some cases debate what to hand over and what not to, but for the most part they knew what books the soldiers were looking for." (Lee Martin McDonald, James A. Sanders, Editors: The Canon Debate; Everett Ferguson, Factors Leading to the Selection and Closure of the New Testament Canon, p 317, 2002)
@@bonnenaturel6688 You are confused. Yes, they knew the Scriptures, but that was not they bible yet. The wasn't even a cannon as to what books were to be included. The Scriptures you are referring to were the Septuagint. That is not quite a Bible yet. And even if it were, there is no evidence that Constantine participated in the burning of these books. Let me correct you on this point.
1. The Scriptures that were burnt was the Septuagint. The Scriptures that were often quoted were from the Septuagint. Furthermore, the Scriptures that were burned were not limited to the books that are now called the bible. There were many more books written which never made it into the bible and were still being burned by the pagan rulers.
2. It is funny that you cite Eusebius of Caesaria but fail to take into account the times referred. To be specific, you cited from book 8 of Historia Ecclesiastica. If you look more closeley. You will see that it is actually the total opposite. Those who burned the Scritpres were Diocletian and Maxentius. Their rule predates the time of Constantine.
How can i get ahold of Mr. Gore?
You just did! E-mail at bruce@brucegore.com
Amen!
I don't think Diocletian died in 305. Instead, I think he abdicated.
Thanks for the clarification.
I would've liked to know more about how diocletion died was it supernatural in nature or as Constantine puts it was it simply the case that those who followed Christ faired better? also an indepth study on sebellius the heretic
Eusebius of Cesarea writes on that. If I remember correctly I think disease played a role
Would certainly have liked to hear your lecture including a discussion of Origen. Edit: realize there are time constraints.
Did learn that Valerius Diocletianus intentionally divided the empire into the four administrative districts. Don't know how I missed this nor why it is not included in my notes.
+Lon W. Thanks. As the old saying goes, 'so many men...so little time.'
no he didn't divide empire. he united it. empire got divided in the age of Honorius and Arcadius.
Jeremiah 16:14-21
Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. We believers are adopted sons and daughters of God.
Praise the Lord. How much are online courses for international students?
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Did Constantine marry a royal princess from Britain who was Welsh?
Did Constantine hold the office of Pontifex Maximus?
Today has enough problems of its own. Do not worry about tomorrow.
BY THIS SIGN CONQUER ✝✝
At 17 min 45 sec he says Constantine's mother was sainted by the Catholic Church.
There is a clarification in order here.
The Orthodx Christian Church was the Church that did that.
"Catholic" here in the west means Vatican.
The Church at this time in History was Orthodox.
A distinction made after the great schism and 4th Crusade events that showed the Roman Bishop to be infected.
In addition to seizing church property, did Diocletian order the burning of all Christian writings?
It's possible, but I don't know off the top of my head. Check Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church, available for free online.
@@GoreBruce Thank you for the reference and terrific presentation. I feel much better now having named my son Constantine.
@5:57 sounds pretty islamic to me. Love your historical religious lectures.
Hi Pastor Gore. I understand that early "Christian" thinkers did not have the centuries of Christian thought which have informed our own faith in Christ. But can they still be called "Christian" when they deny the Trinity or, in the very least, the deity of the Lord Jesus (like Arius and others)? Certainly, today neither Baptists nor strong Presbyterians like yourself would consider the Jehovah's Witnesses saved or Christian. This question is not meant, at all, to be provocative.
Yes, it's an interesting question. I don't pretend to know the state of the heart of early Christians who had misguided ideas. It certainly seems that our understanding has gradually, but dramatically, improved over the centuries and that we should always be seeking to embrace the truth of Christ as accurately as possible, relying on the wisdom of our many fathers and mothers in the faith.
their sin consist at rejecting Christ being Yahweh in flesh,as the Jews did and as the trinitarians continue to do. We are saves by Grace trough Faith IN CHRIST and NEVER TROUGH A TRIUNE GODS.I personnally wonder if a trinitarian can be saves because He believe in a false Jesus and a false God rejecting the SON as being the Eternal Spirit of the living one who came and dwell among us (Emmanuel) Jesus was the living Tabernacle of the Father who came to saves is peoples as the sacrificial. Jesus is the Holy of the holies the one true God and eternal life (1John3:20) Jesus is I AM (Father) before Abraham exist I AM !!! Before is incarnation Jesus was I AM.
@@michelhaineault6654 the term I am that Jesus used.. in the Greek in Hebrew text actually conveys the meaning "I existed"... Therefore Jesus was saying to them "before Abraham was ...I existed"..
look it up it's not hard to do..
@@astrialindah2773 ??? So the Jews want to stone Jesus because he say I EXISTED 😆 Jesus was saying '' before Abraham exist I AM .... and I AM is the name of Yahweh so Jesus was clearly proclaiming to be God THE FATHER IN THE FLESH as teach in 1Tim.3:16 and John1:14 etc. and there is more about Jesus being I AM
2 John8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that '' I AM '' , ye shall die in your sins.
This warning is so severe and serious that Jesus repeat it twice ! So if you do not believe this you will die in your sins for to believe in the true biblical Jesus it's to believe he is God the Father in the flesh this is why he say :
Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
Our kingdom is in Heaven not on earth.
God is Triune not a trinity.
At the end of the Millennium, Christ the Son of God (Word made manifest in the flesh) is subsumed into God and God is all in all. Read 1 Corinthians 15:28 > And when all things shall be subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be subject unto HIM that put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
What is the difference between triune and trinity. IN essence by saying God is Triune, you have admited he is a trinity.
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 - HIS essence is triune means three dimensions of God - Father, Word and Holy Spirit. HE is ONE .
On the other hand trinity is a combination or composition of three into one.
Shalom.
@@jpaul1599 Interesting, you are trying to deny, yet affirm the trinity at the same time.
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 - no, I am not. Triune is ONE who is the Father, Word and Holy Spirit ; the Word manifested in the flesh is Jesus Christ.
Trinity is a concept that other religions have - they call it trimurti.. some denominational Christian groups have also used the term Trinity to refer to the Godhead.
As explained earlier at the end of time - in eternity there is only One GOD who is all in all. Refer 1 Corinthians 15:28.
Shalom
Yes, that scripture shows us that once Jesus accomplishes all things that his father gave him to do, which includes having put death underneath of him finally.. then he hands all things back to his father who gave him that authority and becomes subject to his father's authority..
one simple question your father killed someone should you do 20 years in jail for what your father did? if your answer is yes I question your morality I don't think it's just that you pay for what someone else did so in that case the mistreatment of the African American their children should be paying for what they did someone said because of Adam and eve the killing of chidren in Samuel 15 was just I say man put that in the bible like Emperor Constantine
Not a single sigh nor a single point added on Athanasius Orthodox faith. However add on this faith even a single point shouldn't be defined a citizen in The Temple. And btw we don't do voting on Kings, this is too silly suggestion.
Worth noting that the Apostolic Christians weren't trinitarian... Matthew 28:19 wasn't in the original Hebrew, but added later to the Greek. The Spirit IS God, not a separate 'person'. In John 20:22, Jesus tells us the truth: "Receive ye the Holy Spirit".
Trinitarianism is a 'three god' idea that the pagan Vatican Antichrist has pushed from the start.
We need to consider early Apostolic Christianity from Satan's perspective.
Persecution hadn't worked so he had Constantine pretend to become 'christian', along with his mother, and the pagan world subsumed Christianity. The final 10 years of Diocletian Persecution, prophesied in Revelations 2:10, is the final set up to persuade Christians that Constantine was serious about conversion.
The dream cross sign was a self-evident fraud.
His rule is the set up for the later pagan Vatican Antichrist, which continued to persecute Apostolic Christians.
Read these Books:
The Two Babylons and
The Woman Rides the Beast
Thanks for your thoughts. Note please, the New Testament was not written in Hebrew but Greek. The text of Matthew 28:19 is unquestionably the Greek text that was original with the author.
That verse in Matthew is also quoted in the didache and the didache is a super early documentary
@32:05 you asserted that faith cannot be induced by force or bribery, but the Islamic world was established by the sword and persecution and has persisted for 1400 years. I therefore believe that faith can, at least in a substantial proportion of people, be induced by coercive force. This is unfortunate, but I see no other possible inference. Unless, of course, you were only referring to the true faith in Christ.
Submission can certainly be induced, in many cases, by force or coercion. Genuine faith in Christ can not be induced either by force or by enticement, only by God's Spirit.
Bruce Gore Thank you.
Not entirely. Under eg the Abbassid Caliphate, Jews and Christians were neither persecuted nor forced to convert. They did, however, have to pay extra taxes, which is not unlike the two-Tier taxation introduced by Constantine.
Interesting!! Yeshua help us He change the name of SON of God!
Yeshua, was his birth name 2000 years old (( Jesus 300 years old )) He change the Bible
search, Michael Rood can explain better etc.
#bible #jesus #yeshua #church #catholic #cristians #new
ahah in my bible the NAME JESUS is the NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES .
Jesus ha been used for quite a long time. Yeshwa was turned into Iesous by the Greeks due to linguitic issues, which in turn became Jesus by the Romans
AT 7MIN 40 SEC he says the Jewish approach was hard monotheism. They didn't even know the word.
He is wrong.
Not only that, but Judaism at that time does not resemble Rabbinic Judaism rhat we see today.
Did the death of Father YAHweh's Son pay the sin debt in full?
yes
@Okieshowedem
Jesus death opened the way of salvation for humanity .
God told Adam that if he eats from that tree he, Adam will die.
By disobeying God and eating from that tree Adam sined that is the original sin.
Romans 6,23 says
"For the wages sin pays is death"
Therefore, Adam payed for that sin with his life.
And that sin was past on to Adam's offspring of which we are.
Then to get our sins wiped we die.
Romans 6 verse 7 says " for the one who has died has been acquitted from his sins"
Kind of harsh punishment but Adam was responsible for the rest of humans by how he obeyed his Creator.
Romans 5 verse 12 says " As through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin and so death spread to all men because they all sinned ".
This is it, we take it or leave it.
Well, through resurrection we come back to a kind of life God prepared for humans ,a perfect one like Adam enjoyed before he decided to follow Satan.
@Okiesshowedem
No it didn't.
We pay the sin debt in full only when we, humans die.
PS not ok to kill babies no mater if you think it's the word of God or not I think the most evil thing you can to is kill a baby have you ever held one?
Was it not significant that Constantine had 300 bible versions burned?? We will never know what was in those.
Please provide the citation to your source.
@@brucegore4373 I need to provide citations for history?? The information is there for all to find.
you have beenisyening to crazies. Constantine could not have burned any bibles for he died in 337 and there was no bible until the council of carthage of 392
@@bonnenaturel6688 yea, every research needs to cite a source. Even history. There are a lot of Crazies who invent things. If you cannot cite it with a source, it did not happen.
Yeah stop getting your history from Dan Brown and conspiracy theorists who provide no evidence, that'd be a good start
protestant historian
this man was a murderer politician Jesus love everyone as you love yourself simple this is honoring our lord? killing did Jesus say kill people if their not like you? where self is truth cannot be
Great lecturer, but a couple minor corrections needed: Licinius was married to Constantia, sister of Constantine. Maxentius was the brother of Fausta, wife of Constantine.
Also Diocletian retired the throne in 305, but died years later on his cabbage farm. Severus was appointed by Galerius, successor of Diocletian, who actually died a painful death. Other than that, good stuff
Thanks for the clarifications!
@@GoreBruce thank you for the content! I grew up with a love of Roman history and now find myself fascinated by early church history. Glad I found this channel!
The first few of these in this series so far.. *YAAS!* Hope in the next series is the one who punches heretics! 😍 #DeusVult Then I'll just skip on to Pope Boniface VIII. He gets a bad rap, but really... _got his Deus Vult on!_
First, thank you for sharing the gifts that G-D has given you.
Constantine set his sails for the prevailing winds of Christianity. adding jesus to the Roman Pantheon'. just a rant from a wanna be berean.
The theory of antioch is right jesus christ was a human and a prophet like others before and the last prophet Muhammad (S.a.w) He is not a god
Paul of Samosata was a Biblical Unitarian not a JW. Trinitarianism wasn't incomplete until 381 A.D. with the addition of the Holy Spirit as a person and Theodosius I instituted this with the Roman soldier's sword. Bruce please stop editing history. Constantine was an inveterate pagan.
Thanks for the feedback. For clarity on this, please consult Kenneth Scott Latourette, Philip Schaff, or any other decent history of the Christian movement.
not quite. Go back and look at trinitarianism closer. trinity is there from the beginning. It was not denied un aul and his successors
@@mightyeagle51 homoousia was condemned at the synod of antioch in the same council which condemned Paul of Samosata also rejected the term homoousios. It seem Nicaea is when the Platonic bishops hopped in bed with Constantine in 325 but other emperor were Arian until Feb. 380 A.D. and then Theodosius with his Roman sword and the Edict of Thessalonica won the day. Read the Jesus Wars. Additionally ...p.s. I like Bruce but he's subject to criticism from his academic peers and any researchers.
@@tomidomusic Provide your sources. For as much, none of the research that I have seen state that Homousios was condemned in any council, except the Council of the Oak. That one was also held in Antioch and I assume it is the one you must be referring to. However, it was not during the time of Paul of Samosata. It was much later. It was also called a Robber Council for a reason, namely, it was held by heretics to push heretical teaching. In which case, you point becomes mute.
As for the other Emperors being Arian, that is sadly the case. I do agree with you there. Constantius II and Constantine II betrayed their father's memory by supporting the very heretic that was condemned, Arius of Alexandria. Don't forget how these same Arian emperors also persecuted the Catholic/Orthodox church. As for Theodosius coming in with the sword, it was more in account of the attacks from invading sources like the Sassanids from Persia more so than the heretical impositions forced on the Church by the eastern emperors.
@@GoreBruce hi did you do any series on the book of daniel
Never did Jesus Christ say he was God. The Apostles never thought Jesus Christ was God but his son, their promised Messiah. Jesus Christ was a man, a sinless man worthy of immortality conceived by the power of God. LOGOS is ‘the outward expression of inward thought’ but NOT Jesus Christ.
“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
For me Constantine the great apostate appear as being the first roman catholic pope.It's Constantine who was sitting on the throne at this council is desire was to make the Christian religion the religion of ROME the great Babylonian prostitute.And as Yahweh and Jesus teach = Love the Lord your God and NOT love the three Lords your God.
For you, yes. For history, it is all the opposite.
You are completely wrong. Constantine the Great was not a Pope at all. Constantine the Great lived from the years 274 through 337. During those times the Popes were Dyonisius (268-278), Eutiquianus (278-283), Cayus (283-295), Marcelinus (295-304), Then there was a brief interegnum because of Diocletian's persecution from 304-308. Then after Diocletian retired in 305, the Church was able to get popes again. Marcellus (308-309), Eusebius (309-310), Miltiades (310-314), Silvester (314-335), Marcus (335-336) and Juluis (336-351). As you see, Constantine the Great was never pope. Furthermore, these are popes 28-35. The sad thing is that although you are hearing these discussion of Church History, you are stubborn in your false interpretation of history. The Trinity is a completely biblical doctrine. The Trinity is not a worship of three different gods. It is one and only one God in three different beings. The fact that you do not get this proves that you do not have the Spirit yet because you are merely interpreting with human logic and not divine teaching. Pay closer attention. IN reality, the Church has always preached a trinity. The trinity was not denied until Paul of Samosata. That is when YOUR doctrine came into play.
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 show me a clear verse where God teach '' I am three different persons'' as you so proudly claim ??? IT DOESN'T EXIST !! But here what the true one God who is SPIRIT and ONE and never three say:1 Tim2:5 "For there is ""ONE GOD"", and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD" (ONE Lord not THREE Lords) James 2:19 "You believe that ""THERE IS ONE GOD"". Good! Even the demons believe that-and shudder." Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, ""I AM"" the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens ""ALONE""; that spreadeth abroad the earth by ""MYSELF""
Since when the word ALONE and MYSELF mean MANY ONES ????
@@cristeromoderno-apologetic112 the council of Nicea is history and they elects a triune God never seen nor teach nor worship in the bible
@@michelhaineault6654 Totally false. Neither the Council of Nicea nor any other council ever introduces new doctrine. What the councils do, is they give a heretic to expound his or her ideas to be analyzed by the church LED BY SCRIPTURE, APOSTOLIC SUCESSION AND ESPECIALLY THE HOLY SPIRIT. Once the doctrine has been analyzed, if the doctrine is found lacking according to those sources, then it is anathemized. If the Council of Nicea accepted the Triune God, that is because it is Scritureally based. You will find it in Genesis 1:26 and John 1:1 as well as in Matthe2 28:19.