Balance Dataslate - World Eaters first thoughts.
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I have 2500 points of world eaters to paint, suffice to say that, by the time I'm finished, the meta will have changed completely so I don't really care if world eaters are bottom tier xDD.
That's exactly it, shit changes so fast. If top tier players and meta chasers abandon World Eaters then our win rates will plummet and we will get buffs back
@@BlogForTheBloodGod Oh absolutely ! That's basically what happened to leagues of votann and custodes, or even drukhari : if the army is trash people don't buy models and that's bad for the company, SO they have to fix that.
@@BlogForTheBloodGodif the codex comes at the end of the edition like 9th, this valley we're in will mean nothing with the peaks still yet to come
omg you are the real blessings from khorne...
i just started world eaters this january and was very bummed by this nerf
but you gave me solid hope for this army!! keep posting my dude
Hahaha good man
I feel like kharn and moe should have gone up 10 instead of 20 because what? They wanted use to use the juggernaut boys to lead our infantry? I can see the various eightbound but not bersekers
Edit: I understand the nerfs it’s just really awkward seeing them be the same price as berserkers when the roster of units is already so limited
Fuck meta, use 6 world eater Dameon princes, angron, and a Kharn berserker unit as 8 units is the holy number of Khorne
Hahaha that's the spirit
shit i like it but man i gotta get some more princes.
I hope they revert the Pact nerf so that Angron + 8 Princes is a viable list again. (And so I can bring Flesh Hounds again)
I really like this video, incredibly hopeful and made me realise that even though we are nerfed it’s likely not as bad as many, even myself thought it out to be. Got me pumped to plan out lists and what to change around.
Can’t wait to watch future videos on world eaters lists and new strategies!
Thanks mate! I really appreciate the feedback
Hell yeah. Ive been running my fun list as a berserker and jackal spam with kharn at the helm and moe's. So many attacks on the charge just makes me a happy boy
Yeah it is still easily one of the most fun armies to play
Really balanced response to the changes! I do miss our lack of devastating wounds, cp manipulation and low cost trading units. I know that's not really got anything to do with the balance dataslate, but that's what seems to hurt most.
Thanks mate! As the meta balances so too should our response to it
It's about time I showed Khorne some love. Moving from CSM to WE. Great vid Dean!
wrong time bro
we are bad now again so have "fun"
CSM definitely got hit much harder than WE did.
The zerker glaive gives a flat 1 to damage and attacks not on the charge. Also I think the blessing nerf is more than just Angron fishing nerf it was also really nice when the dice rolled badly for the blessings.
This is true also
As a newer player, you've really helped me with my army.
Glad I could help mate
The meta changing is always to be expected. What matters the most is that the spirit of the faction remains true to its lore. We are lucky as World Eaters players to still have the most threatening melee in the game. I know because I also collect Death Guard and what GW has done to them this edition is ridiculous
Custodes are now kings of melee again.. we are second fiddle with out a doubt.. actually probably 3rd fiddle as Black Templar still kick our asses in melee
I slapped the shit out of templars on the weekend and haven't lost to custodes in over 6 months. We still have the tools
@@BlogForTheBloodGod I'd love you to do some "how to beat" videos on beating those armies.
I've played death all 10th and win a lot. Just no gimmicks or anything really unique to em at the moment that scream dg
@@justinerickson282Lmao don’t look at blood angels bro. It’s our trait but better 😂😂
As a World Eaters beginner (its my first Chaos faction, and funnily enough my first model that is a Character is Kharn the Betrayer), I'm still just gonna play with what i feel like it
Nerfs here or there? Happen all the time, i mean im used to playing games where developers change values over time
All in all, im just glad to be a World Eaters player
"Blood For the Blood God, Skulls for the Skull Throne" and everything else in between
Love your optimistic view on the changes mate! It killed me a bit, but your right, other factions got nerfed aswell and at the right time it is possible to summon Angron again, if he get slain. Im very interessted in what this does to WE lists in the future! Blood for the blood god!!!!!!
For someone dedicated to the God or rage I am pretty optimistic
To me world eaters look cool and thus I picked the angry ron and boyz as my 1st army. By the time I'm done with the pile of "potentials" I purchased during Christmas, the meta would've shifted twice! xD
That's exactly right! Do it for the passion
The patreon ad at the end had me cracked up 😂😂😂
Haha yeah that was a tonne of fun to record
as both a we and tau player I think the taus got buffed, they need to rework a bit the list and they would still be a pain to play against, but unless you were playing 2 or 3 6 man bricks of crisis suits it won't be that big of a deal, the riptides got buffed so much that we will probably see them played in 2 or 3x, and hurt units like zerks and 8bounds far more than the cib, the commanders are worth to run solo to clean small units and do objective... the vespids now are great for that points cost... they just got a bit trickier to use, and they'll hurt us more
Yeah tau definitely got some interesting changes
As a DG player I'm pretty happy with the changes, my usual list is cheaper now :-D
Overall I think these changes will make a more balanced meta
I just bought the WE battleforce box. I believe Khorne will not abandon us.
Like a red angel you spread the word of hope for WE while also yelling Kill Maim Burn!
Haha hell yeah
I was waiting for your thoughts on WE once the dataslate dropped :)
My opinion- I think GW were a little-heavy handed on us; nerf eightbound, MoE (very merited, he was too strong), Kharn (look what they did to my boy), Daemon Prince AND favoured of Khorne?
Too much I think. The other top factions have been toned down, true, but I think we will drop a notch, from maybe top five to top ten. Necrons will still reign supreme, until next dataslate, orks, and custodes will give us issues. I feel we will do still well against everyone else.
The nerf to Favoured of Khorne was too much I think. We rely so much on Angron; I have had him killed on turn two so many times after killing something because I know I can bring him back quite reliably by turn 4. Now we need to be a little more cagey with who, Angron??!!
Furthermore, the chance of rolling advance+charge on the eight dice is 67%. Every now and again you fail that- favoured was our guarantee. Now, everything games, on your go-turn, the dice will screw us and we can't get advanced+ charge. This just adding RnG to the army.
The points reduction to Lord of Skulls was nice, will make Dean happy :p
I play on GW terrain, the blighters are difficult to maneuver, especially 2 or 3 of them ^^
That would be unreal though on player-placed terrain.
Haha yeah I agree with more or less all of this. 3x LoS here we gooooo
Necrons will dominate this meta and without angron or super Moe I don't see us killing ctans easily and they will easily kill us in return, also I don't really see our bad matchups changing except for the worse.
Custodes got better, CSM can still out trade us, orks still do what we do but better and death guard can just undermine our melee quite easily.
Hell we might even struggle against blood angels now they are better in melee than us.
you're forgetting black templar.. Their judicar only 70 points and gives fights first
@@justinerickson282 I mean all marines get him, it's just black Templars shoot better and fight better overall than us so it's usually very one sided,
I'm not saying it is going to be easy, but I think we still have lots of tools.
@@BlogForTheBloodGod I mean sticky stuff when we die and punching stuff is all that's there for me, I'm still taking 3 max squads of exalted as I don't really see what I pivot into
I am a CSM player, I think forgefiends at 200pts is still very strong? My forgefiends regularly kill far more than 200 pts per battle, sometimes up to 700 pts worth of enemy.
Yeah I think one is still OK. My video on the CSM dataslate comes out soon
I would have to agree, don't think the changes are gonna hurt world eaters much (I personally would not lose Kharn, never ever 😊). Good insight once again
Thanks mate
Yeah, some of other factions got worse, but we will see return of the custodes as a counterpick for us, and Necrons are borderline death sentence now, without MoE being capable of killing C'tans. To be fair, MoE should not be capable of doing such in first place, this is true. But Angron is not enough to deal with them, couple of unlucky rolls and Nightbringer lives after his charge and could kill him in return, and he will regenerate after, and we have less opportunities to res Angron now. And they bring not only Nightbringer. It feels unfair, according to GW own data Necrons had 56% WR, and they will dominate the meta now. Not to mention potential return of knights, which could be hard to play against. Overall it is not too bad, CSM swallowed way more nerfes, but in their case they still have all of the index to play with, but 3 of 7 unique WE datasheets were nerfed, and in return we got weird forgefiend buff. Why not the maulerfiend? Or hellbrute, or defiler or any melee vehicle? Are we shooting army now? LoS is amazing buff, dont get me wrong, but it is pain in the ass to navigate through some of the terrain and it is still 450 for one big guy, with oc8, which is not enough, 6 canoptek wraiths are outscoring him. IMO nerfes were expected and somewhat needed, but this nerfes are too radical, nerf MoE and glaive, it is fair, and this would be enough, but other things were unessesary, like, cmon, who the fuck plays DP? Jackal spammers? And why he is not cheaper now, when his selling point got weaker?
Yeah some good points here, I guess we will have to wait and see
Yeah, it is a pretty classic overcorrection, which they themselves profess to want to avoid in favor of making smaller incremental changes, but apparently that only applies when nerfing Eldar.
Thanks Dean - this is the pick me up I needed. Please ignore the puddle of tears and spilt booze I'm walking away from.
Hahaha
Love the energy, im not here to be meta i just wanna kill some things
I'm so pissed about the favored of khorne change. Made returning angron so much more difficult.
Yeah it will likely have the biggest impact
Decided to not get nerded but buffed - embrace the LoS and Forgefiend gunline fueled by Angron and Eightbound rerolls 😁
Haha
Great take, if someone no longer wants to play WE based on this dataslate good riddance.
Yep, off the bandwagon, just the hard core left
Honestly I think the biggest nerf to world eaters players is Custodies being good again.
Yeah it is a tricky matchup
What wargear would you recommend for a Lord of Skulls for a tournament?
Skull hurler and daemongore
Think my biggest disappointment is that I always brought skarbrand and angron together can’t do that no more 😭
Yeah they killed a lot of fun builds
Yes, just played Brian Dougherty's WEs and still handed me my ass. You're still in a good place.
What was his revised list? Curious to see what direction people have taken it
@@BlogForTheBloodGod Hes gone back to running mauler fiends. Im sure hell see this and post his new list, but he did drop Kharn and still ran MoE with the glaive.
I think the favored nerf really hurts Angron. He is pointed at 415 with the the old favored in mind. When I paid 415 for a pretty damn solid chance at resurrection, I had no problem. Without a point reduction I really think Angron is no longer an auto-include. My new list doesn't even include him. I dropped him for a Lord of Skulls (with some other finagling)
TBH I would rather what we got than to have him go up in points
Well good thing I’m starting an orks army lol
Mate, this video is great. Much like another CSM focussed channel I follow, your reaction to these changes is far more accurate and legitimate than the more well known meta-focussed-competitive-40k channels. In the midst of all the doom and gloom reactions for CSM and WE, your perspective is a much appreciated fresh take.
Thanks mate, I'll be recording my thoughts on CSM this weekend too
My friend got into warhammer last year and for Christmas got me the world eaters box can’t wait o build my full army bump these changes
What a generous friend!
Bro he hooked up like three of us up so he had a game group it was kinda epic
@@d0mlyf322 legendary. How mad is he going to be when you continue to kick his arse with the WE he bought you lol
Honestly he wouldn’t be mad at all. I molded him into an amazing d&d player/dm and he sees it as passing the torch back to me
@@d0mlyf322 so wholesome, I love it!
Yeahhh boi!! Dude you looked at it the same as I did. Let's clean up with world eaters still in 24. Grats on your last tournamt by the way, watched your lats vid to the end and found it very helpful. Keep up the great work bud.
Haha thanks mate
I don’t think things are quite as doom and gloom as a lot of people are letting on, but I do feel that they’re maybe a bit heavy handed. However I still love my angry boys, blood for the blood god!!!
Yeah I agree, I think they hit us too hard but also think it is still very manageable
Biggest nerf I see is that advance and charge is very unreliable now Dean!
Yeah it is much harder for sure
It just sucks when we get one thing that we do okay and they decide to nerf it.
Yeah it is frustrating but we can still do it, just not quite as reliable
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Fights First is where i get my usage out of the MOE, everything else was just extra.
Yeah agreed
Did they change favoured of Khorne back to once per battle round? Noticed it in the index errata
It's now once per battle
Did I miss the list?
I spoke about my list in detail in the last several videos, didn't want to bore everyone by repeating it here
Curious on what your thoughts were about the Daemon prince change? You mentioned it but didn’t talk about it. I say it was kinda surprising because not many list were using the Daemon prince anyway. And I thought his ability was a good way to keep infantry safe. Since WE doesn’t really have an answer for shooting.
Yeah I never really used him anyway so it just made a bad choice worse in a lot of ways.
I've usually run my demon Prince with 2 units of 8bound anyway. So this makes little difference to me. Unless I wanna do a full rush into the middle play with zerks I'd think about your enemies ranged weapons more then. Cuz no more 4up inval
As I started again WE - my question what to build with 4 packs of 8bounds … 2 and 2 or more exalted ?! What is a good start ?
I would do 2 and 2, both types are good.
I would say magnets, the only difference is literally one arm. I didn't magnetised mine but that's because I bought 27 of them lol
Thanks for your thoughts buddy. You going to do a CSM one at some point ?
Yeah I am having a mate join me on the weekend to discuss it
Is Angron an auto include now with that nerf to Favored of Khorne?
I still think he is
I’m just jumping into Warhammer and starting with a World Eaters combat patrol. Would really like a how to play video on that👍
It’s 3 units in the combat patrol, figure it out bud
Hahaha.
Yeah there are a few really good how to play 40k videos out there, I'll leave that to other channels
@@BlogForTheBloodGod Good to know🙄
Was he running Kharn solo? with a MoE with each Zerker unit, where did Kharn go?
Yes solo with rapid ingress
Kharn rolled around solo in the rhino
You don’t think kharn is good against necrons?
I do, and I will miss him
Legend
Cheers
we got BENT OVER AND FUCKED HARD WITH NO LUBE!! There is no other way to put this. We lost Angron respawn reliability, MOE vastly more expensive and now doesnt kill as well, 8 bound went up when they SHOULD HAVE GONE DOWN, kharn insane points cost increase, Deamon Prince lost a pip of his aura FOR NOTHING. Yet Eldar will still be at 55-57% as they nerfed anything that contended with them.. Glad i play Conquest atm. This game is lead by blind designers and its embarassing
Agree to disagree
The one thing I am disappointed about was no buff to our clearly underperforming units like heldrakes and defilers
I get that you're trying to be a positive spot here when the community is overall in a place of doom and gloom, but you're coming across as completely dismissing the now very real and hard to deal with issues we now have.
Outside of lists running the currently hard to find LoS, resurrecting Angron will be an unreliable pipedream most of the time. It went from a fairly reliable once a game to once maybe every 2 at best.
But worse than that is the loss of getting a do-over when rolling for Blessings. If you've used and and get a bad/useless roll, you're out of luck all times except the 1 reroll. I have more than once managed to roll the failure of getting a singular blessing with a triple and 5 different results in games. Without the reroll, that potentially dooms the game right there.
Considering that we were a slightly upper middle of the pack army, but got nerfed harder than those who were and will continue to be the top performers, the nerfs feel more like someone's personal vendetta against the faction rather than thought out changes based on logic
I'm not going to argue that the nerfs were brutal, they hurt for sure. But I still feel the faction has a tonne of strength, it will just require a lot of skill to pilot now as you have to navigate and account for probability unlike pre dataslate where you could assume luck would be on your side
"Copium" the channel....
yeah, his tone will change once he gets it on the table. this is really really bad
Hahaha yeah maybe, we will see.