The WEIRDEST steam engine at the Colorado Railroad Museum - Manitou and Pikes Peak Cog Engine!
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- Опубліковано 10 гру 2022
- In this video, we get an overview of the completely wacky Manitou and Pike Peak Railway #1 - a very bizarre 0-4-2T with lots of unique features that we talk through with our guest speaker, Dusty's friend JIMMY from the Cog!
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One thing I forgot to mention when we did this is, some of the engines did later receive a shield that went in front of the cylinders on the coach end, the water brake if overused could result in water building in the cylinders and blowing cylinder heads off. It was a common enough occurrence that they installed the shields to prevent pieces from flying into the coach if they blew a head off.
Holy shit lol.
Molly: Ah the fresh mountain air is so exhilarating!
Chooch: *kursplunks* with water braking
Molly:......head in her lap
Thanks again for doing this spotlight with me Jimmy! Good to have a cog expert around. I need to come down and see the rest of your modern stuff one of these days...
@@Hyce777 Downie Live did a series earlier this year taking trains from Miami to Alaska, and one of the stops was the Cog where he did a bit of shop tour with Jimmy.
@@Ronald.Golleher I actually recognized Jimmy from that video. It was awesome.
"Ah Ethel, Isn't it just lovely, taking in this clean mountain air?"
KA-FWOOOFMPH
"well, it was."
Almost as complicated as the engines i fire on the Furka line in Switzerland. These are made for mixed use in adhesion and rack sections, the adhesion being a pretty normal engine and then having a Low pressure engine between the Frames to power the coqwheels. Also the automatic brake is Vacuum, and when going downhill we use the engine like a aircompressor to break, also using boiler water in the cilinders, but here it's to cool them, because air gets hot when it's compressed to 8 Bar in one stage
Those Swiss locomotives are incredible! Serious pieces of engineering. I'd love to come see those some day.
So essentially you've got a Jacob's brake on a steam locomotive. That is unbelievably cool, its just like a diesel engine in a semi truck.
Worked for the Cog Railroad maintenance crew back in the early 90's, one of the hardest jobs, manual labor for all tasks - rail, cog, tie, spike, ballast. Replaced a switch at Windy Point 12,000ft, that was an education in working at altitude! Thanks for a great memory and one of the best jobs I've ever had.
I worked there on the section crew in 2015 and not much had changed by then. Definitely one of the coolest jobs to be had, especially when having to clear snow and ice.
Oh my god. That would be PERFECT for railroads online! Just imagine if you had that train with cog rails on that new route up to the iron mine. I could see them implementing it but having cog rails cost money.
Legit would be a good addition
And you'd need special cars with the rollers.
@@sambrown6426 well, that would make it more difficult for running standard wagons on cog rails but I could see them having an adapter wagon with both couplers.
@@Lillstisse661 But the guy literally said that when they tried running it with standard couplers, it broke them.
@@sambrown6426 yes but for gameplay reasons it would be simpler to just have one coupler type.
Someone's probably already mentioned this but the thread you were trying to think of is 'acme' thread. Commonly used in vices or lead screws on lathes. Thanks for this very educational video. Very entertaining!
BINGO!
It's the Cog!!! Always fun to learn about new Railroads :)
I love the little pop-ups in the top corner filling in the less-experienced railfans with the definitions of technical terms, they're very well done
I love how EXTREMELY specialized these locomotives are.
Its nice to see how your channel has grown from playing a games and instruments to answering our questions and having a members system.
I remember seeing a picture of this engine years ago and noticing the weird cylinders. There used to be a few Vauclain compounds here in New Zealand, including a one-off 2-8-0 from Baldwin (OA 457) and a ridiculous 2-6-6-0 tank engine built at Petone Workshops in 1906 (E 66).
I like the editing on this
Really makes it feel all the more polished
Nicholas did a great job once again.
Glad you do! I am fortunate to be working with Nick now. He's awesome at the details.
Check out the Mount Washington Cog Railway. This is a much older cog railway on the east coast located in the White Mountains in New Hampshire. The Mount Washington Cog Railway was opened in 1869 using a vertical boiler locomotive called Old Peppersass. This loco ran until 1875 when it was replaced with a more traditional-looking locomotive, the Ammonoosuc. This loco gained a partner in 1908 named the Waumbek. Due to the steep grades, the locos have tilted boilers that are actually level when they are on the steep slope. Both of these steam locomotives ran until 2008 and they have since been replaced with bio-diesels.
Old Peppersass made a countrywide trip in June 2016. I saw the locomotive at a train fair in North Adams, MA. Compared to locomotives today, this small steam locomotive was very tiny and was carried on a standard landscaper-type trailer!
Augmented with biodiesels, but not replaced! Ammonoosuc took me up Mt Washington last year--I absolutely recommend the experience!
@@braxtonsesler4362 Wow, that's excellent news! The word was they weren't going to run steam but I'm glad they caved.
While I never rode on the trains, I did see them when two buddies of mine and I drove up to the summit. While up there, I was more interested in the trains than I was in the weather station and all the other stuff going on. That was way back in the early 1980s when I didn't have a lot of money and the tickets were expensive. I have to plan a trip up there to the White Mountains sometime next year. For me it's a 3-hour trip north.
This is a surprisingly wholesome and heartwarming video(even _if_ the grounds look like Permafrost took a sickleave due to the cold).
I remember Cog trains from my childhood, as a passing glance and peripheral mention, never saw one or touched on the topic since my childhood.... having a whole video that touches on some of the finer mechanical details nigh-thirty years later really perks me up.
Thanks! and have a like.
12:18, I think another thing is that you'll notice the pin is below center, so I think another part of that was to reduce strain on the rods and valve gear
Hey Hyce, this is before the 40,000 subscriber point but you deserve all of that and more and I wanted to say thank you for all the content. It is always fun watching your videos and learning from and along with you :) I can't wait to see what comes next and more :)
Midland, you are the legend of all time.
Midland; I continuously do not know what to say to you beyond thank you. Your generosity is amazing, and contagious. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, once again.
@@Hyce777 you are always welcome Hyce and seriously can't wait to see what comes next :) ❤️
I believe you were talking about trapezoidal threads.
So interesting to see this unique loco!
If only you and Kan could get this for RRO.
probably Acme thread
@@TheTwtwo I was about to say, he was probably thinking of an Acme thread, which is a pretty common thread form for heavy-duty applications like this.
Hyce, if you ever get a chance to come out to NH, absolutely spend the time to take a ride on the cog railway that goes up to the top of Mt. Washington. They run both steam and bio-diesel.
Thats what you guy's need for Kan's iron/coal run
Thanks Hyce, & Jjmmy. I really enjoyed the video of this unique piece of railroading history!
I love your videos.
That's an interesting point about slower combustion and the limited coal bunker. The compound system on such slow work would also have saved significantly on coal.
Reminds me of those trains that go up Snowden in Wales they use rack and pinion to get up the mountain. They are utterly amazing
I've heard from someone that 4 may never get to run again. Pikes Peak replaced the rack so only their new trains can run on them. 4 would need new cogs to run.
I love cog engines… ever since my first trip to the Mount Washington Cog Railway in New Hampshire. It’s so cool!
Wow, Very cool information. I had no clue about these. Fascinating, thanks for shooting this.
Such a treat of an episode. Thanks!
I studied this locomotive quite a bit when I visited a couple years ago and it is a very interesting locomotive!! Thanks for doing this video!!
Really cool info! I never knew about these locomotives.
Thank you for what you do. Keep up the good work and great content!
11:30 if you look at the big lever that reverses the directions of the rods, the bottom length of the rod is significantly shorter. I think this allows for more torque/power per piston stroke.
The piston stroke is longer than the crank stroke of the wheels or cogs. These locos only ran at about 8 to 10 mph. I think that is because of the cogs and rack.
Came over from Kan. Love the content! Cog trains are fascinating
I’ve been to the cog railway, nice and short line. Lovely place. Cannot wait to go back again!
I really enjoy your railroad videos. I hope you can keep them coming.
Here in Queensland, Queensland Railways (1067mm/3'6" narrow gauge) had an ABT rack railway in place at Mount Morgan southwest of Rockhampton from 1898-1952. However, the line itself from Rockhampton to Theodore was mostly adhesion based at 241.2km/149 miles long, but with 2.3km/1.5mile long rack section on 6% gradients. So they built their rack locos with standard chain and hook couplers and buffers and would mount them to the rear of the adhesion train as a banker to push the train up the slope, or provide safe braking and assistance to pull a train back down the grade. These rack railway locomotives were able to still drive properly on adhesion rail which made it cheaper to build and maintain yards and sidings because you could just run them through standard railway switches and easily just build a dedicated siding for the loco and couple it up to the next train.
Really ingenious system and set up, but sadly the locos have all been long lost and scrapped after a bypass was built in 1952 with a 2% gradient to avoid bottlenecks on long coal trains and the still used original locomotives being due for replacement. They did use Garratts for a while on the line with 750t coal trains which would later be diesel hauled. The line itself also has since closed due to declining traffic and a faster, heavier and more modern line via Gladstone for coal and grain trains (Moura Shortline).
If you're really into narrow gauge railways, I really recommend you check out Queensland Rail! At its peak it had about 9-10000km of track and to this day you can get 2km coal trains running on it and long distance passenger tilting trains regularly in some sections hit up to 160km/100 miles per hour.
Don’t forget about the Tasmanian rack railway
That sounds amazing.
I remember riding on the Manitou and Pike's Peak Railway when I was a wee lad. We rode on the more modern locomotives and I kept falling out of my seat since I was facing downhill. I still have the 100 year poster in my room.
The Snowdon Mountain Railway in Wales has some great looking rack engines, and a maximum grade of just over 18% (1 in 5.5).
This is cool, we lived outside of Victor for 3 years and rode the narrow gauge in Cripple Creek a few times, never went on the cog but that might have to change. PS the thread type you are looking for on the handwheels is "acme Thread".
Rod system seems pretty normal for a compact B1 gear engine.
But everything else, brakes, "couplers", exhaust pipe, are just wild.
Thanks for making this! 👍👍
Funny how a simple idea becomes complex in making it work. Learning something new every day. 👍
Great video! The name of the thread shape you were looking for on the brake handwheel is "acme" threads.
the purpose of the bell crank is to reduce the stroke of the piston and increase the torque combined with the compound pistons makes it pretty torquey
Im converting an Empire Steam Engine from single to 2 cylinder. The brass frames I silver soldered yesterday. Cool video fellas.
The rack/cog system certainly makes a lot more sense than using a Fell system for going up a steep hill. Certainly a cool little engine
Man this thing is so weird, but so awesome. Shout out to Jimmy from The Cog!
The "thread-that-isn't-Ajax" is an Acme thread. Lead screws, jack screws: if it turns rotation into linear motion, it's likely to be an Acme thread.
Love it. Would love to see a cog engine in a sim
Rode with one of these in 1952 or 53. Ticket agent recommended steam if you wanted to take pictures since it stopped for water. I mostly watched the engine work and tried to figure out what a " water brake " was. In high school.
Hey Hyce, rather new to your channel, I have been watching your Railroads Online stream with kAN, Anyway, just wanted to say that my Grandfather, Rudolph Pleger, was a machinist and I believe engineer for The Mount Emily Shay. It is currently being restored by the Oregon Rail Heritage Center and will be doing holiday Christmas runs in Portland OR, hopefully next year. To the best of my knowledge, it is the same engine.
Grandpa worked at the Mt. Emily Mill for 27 years at Starkey and LaGrande machine shops and on locomotive repair. He retired in the early 60's but the engine itself was retired in 1955 and moved to Portland in 1957, where it became the property of the Oregon Historical Society. In 1972 it was leased to Cass Scenic Railroad in West Virginia where it was damaged in a fire that burned down the roundhouse, and became the object of a court battle when Cass refused to return it when it's lease expired in January of 1993. The fight over the train began in August and the engine was returned in May 1994. It was then leased to the city of Prineville where it ran for a number of years. In April of 2022 the OHS put out a request for a new owner when Prineville informed them they no longer wanted to run the engine. On August 24th the Oregon Rail Heritage Center was selected as the new owner and on September 1, 2022 they signed the paperwork. My understanding is that they hope to have her ready to run as one of the Holiday trains next year. 🚂🎅
That's awesome! I heard about that shay. Cool to know your granddad is involved.
What a beauty despite her rough exterior! love it.
I remember reading somewhere that the rod arrangement was like that because it gave it more leverage, aka torque or tractive effort. Since the top one’s longer than the lower one, which is the one actually connected to the cog wheel, I’m pretty sure it was right.
I'd actually like to come down to the museum and learn about this loco.... an interesting piece of equipment, that's for sure.
Another fine edition of Big Train Tours: In Mechanical Detail
Hey Hyce, first off I want to say, I'm glad you are shining some light onto the Cog engine from the Pikes Peak RR. Secondly, I currently live in Durango, are you ever going to do a video on the engines/ Rail History of Durango in general? Because I can only learn so much from the museum curators here in town. Could you also come down and take a tour of the RR its self?
Cheers - I am planning on doing the history of the D&RG, which would include Durango. I am going to be visiting Durango early next year as well. :)
@@Hyce777 That would be Awsome!!! As much as it is a tourist destination, I feel as if the history gets overlooked, so a video only about the history would be great!!!
I'm totally on a Hyce binge right now and I swear your production quality increases with every video. Very much enjoying the great work!
edit: just finished the video, wow what an interesting little loco! Shit, now I really wanna see one running...
The interesting thing with a Cog Vauclain compound is that the high/low pressure layout is inverted, with Low over High, as distinct from the large cylinder under the smaller high pressure.
Cog engines are something I didn't know I needed to learn about... but I'm glad I did
Great video!! Didn’t know all of that.
I remember riding the cog train on pikes peak when I was a boy in 1950 I was 8 years ago at the time I never forgot it .
The reason Coal bunkers were small on mountain engines is that you only need a fire to go up the mountain. You just ride the breaks down!
The threads on that hand brake are square thread most likely since they looked like they didn't have any taper. If there was any taper in them with a flat top they'd be Acme.
What a funky machine.
During construction of the Mount Washington Cog Railway, workers would often ride down the tracks on sleds and would compete for the fastest times. I think one worker managed to get to the bottom in 5 minutes.
That is horrifying. Lol
We still have a "toboggan" at Pikes Peak in the swiss parts room. I can neither confirm nor deny that attempts to ride it have been made recently, nor can I attest that it is no longer compatible with the new track because of the tie clips.........
That sounds amazing and horrifying at the same time.
@@JamesPattersonGeepfan Are you hiding something?
@@sambrown6426 Could be.......
In New Zealand we had 3 lines that used the fell centre rail system
and this is for 40,000 subs congrats!!!
Midland, you're insane, and I love it. Thank you so much!
@@Hyce777 ❤you're very welcome Hyce and you deserve it ❤
Grew up there. Use to go to the museum all the time. Miss it.
Very cool how the engineering of this locomotive is done
oh i saw that one earlier this year.. i saw a few while i was in CO, very cool.
thanks for the video, and oh we might season 2 i cant wait
In Switzerland there's a lot of COG trains at least for passengers because of all the really steep mountains. In some cases the hills are so steep that u can't even be standing up while it's moving up/downhill those, some of them go up to 48º
There is even a video floating around in youtube on a cog steam locomotive pushing a heavy load of new rails uphill. It stack-talk during the run.
Beautiful machine. I'd love to see this in operation.
Acme threads. And another thing I heard a startrek the next gen door chime as some ones ring tone, pretty cool.
There's an old locomotive over here in Pictou County, Nova Scotia, Canada in need of at least a semi proper restoration. It's located in the Stellarton-New Glasgow area at, I think, an automotive museum.
that was pretty interesting and i cannot wait to see your polar express train. and good luck with all your projects on your Guys's trains in the museum
There goes my do nothing Sunday. Learning stuff again. Thanks. Lol.
ACME Threads also used on some air brake systems on trucks years ago.
Thats cool i lived in Colorado Springs for 5 years before moving back to my hometown of williamsport pa
This thing proves that trains really can go anywhere.
We need trains in outer space!
@@paveloleynikov4715 There is an anime called "The Galaxy Railways" that has quite a few of those.
Nice video, those square type threads are Acme threads
it is a cute choo
great video as always hyce
Hey Hyce, would you be interested in seeing a video of the MT Washington Cog Railrmway, which is in New Hampshire (I don't know what I was thinking saying Vermount)? I'll go up there and put something together.
It's in NH
@Bentendo64 you're right. I don't know why I said VT. Oh well. The offer still stands, no matter which state.
I'd love to see it. Hopefully in person some day too!
@Hyce I want to model Mower Lumber Company, but my ceiling is too low to do it in HO. Have you ever seen a Z scale shay? I guess I'm going to have to cut a hole in the dinning room floor. LOL
@@kellingc I preface this with the fact that I love Cass, WV ; and all things RR related; and my mother grew up near Cass outside another timber town called Richwood but if you have a wife and kids don't go all "Close Encounters" in the house. Cass, WV like Devil's Tower, WY is a real place that you can go visit. If that doesn't do the trick then build it but beware the sacrifices of the addiction.
One hand firing. You see that on Mt. Washington too. Good stuff.
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Hey, I know that engine! It was the first time I saw a steam engine in person! Also, the M&PP was the very first railroad I ever rode on, years ago, even though that was a railcar.
It's a little hard to pick out the detail of those threads but they look like "Square Threads" or they might even be an "ACME Thread".
Come visit us at The Mt. Washington Cog RR in NH, where mountain climbing locomotives were invented. Two steamers remain and seven diesels are in service. All rolling stock is built on site for the world’s second steepest railroad. This is the 155th anniversary in 2024.
he should check out the Mt Washington engines in New Hampshire. they're also cog railway engines but they work slightly differently than this one. but alot of the steam ones are retired. with i think 2 still in service and quite a few diesels running now. he might also get a good kick out of Old Peppersass and her odd but reliable design.
One of the sisters locomotives sits in Williams AZ at the Grand Cajon Railway depot
Mt. Washington steam cog is also great
This was a great video.
Hyce if you looking for a really strange cog railway look at the Mt. Washington cog railway in New hampshire the locomotives have some really odd looking features and I'm fairly certain they are the only locomotives of there type
11:23 I think it was made like this to get more leverage out of the piston stroke. Notice the return lever thingy ma jig hasn't got the pin hoing through the centre.
Acme threads is the word for the (semi) square profile threads on the brake mechanism. They aren't a true square thread for manufacturing reasons, but close to it.
I see a couple beautiful UP passenger cars in the background
Rode on a car pushed by one at Mt. Washington, NH long ago. Still fired by coal back then.
I did not know you had such might hair. It looks really good on you!
The screw thread type you guys were thinking of is "ACME" threads
Hello. In New Hampshire they have a cog railway on Mt. Washington
Funny seeing a cog only powered locomotive, all the rack locomotives I'm familiar with are quite happy on standard rails.
So the rack is only needed to be installed on certain grades, and the cogs would interface at the start of the slope.
This railroad is all cog all the time. It is a weird one, for sure!
The L.A.D.A.S incident wasn't caused by the engine pulling the train. It was most likely due to the weight because it was pulling 2 coaches down the mountain. It happened on the opening day and was the first train to go down the mountain.
It's Betsy! LMAO! Jokes aside that's a very interesting locomotive.
13:20 i think the term you might be looking for is "acme" thread
That's the word I was looking for!