Very good test. I see people say to use 100% coco coir, but I don't think they realize that only works on a small group of lowland plants. It is too heavy for almost every other nepenthes. You added a lot of perlite and bark which helped. I do use it but not for nepenthes. I mix it in to my frog tropical terrariums and other non carnivorous tropical plants. I bought the coco husks (after seeing the video on hamta on a windowsill) but have yet to use it. Looks like your plant was shocked by the drastic change in substrate but eventually got used to it. I hate how expensive and rare sphagnum has become. Very hard to find cheap ones anymore that aren't poor quality. I hate the ones they have a lowes and only use those now for set ups that it is not a main important ingredient. But really quality sphagnum is the best and nothing compares to it. I do have live sphagnum. I should try to grow lots of it and farm it and dry it for myself. Perhaps you can do that too. Have trays just of sphagnum growing.
You are right, maybe the plant needed time to adapt... could also be the temperature or me braking a root by accident. I really don't know but the result is positive right now :)
@@WindowsillNepenthes, maybe you can replicate the experiment, except change the soil more gradually (add some peat or Sphagnum moss to the mix). Happy growing!
Have to rinse the heck out of it just to be safe. Here(India) there are coconut plantations far away from the sea. Normally fresh water is used to extract fiber from ripe coconuts. However, if the coconuts are not fully ripe, they are sometimes processed with brine, which can cause high salt levels in the coir. . I plan to pick some fallen 🥥's from a tree in my backyard and make some myself when I get a nepenthes, just to be safe😂.. my mom uses coconut husk from that tree for her orchids
Yes, I use a mix of coco peat and coco fiber (fibre) for my Nepenthes {coco peat to hold moisture and coco fiber (fibre) for drainage 1:1} and yes it is doing great,most coconuts here in India are not from the shore but the plains So they are 100% salt free.
Yes it’s a popular media here in Philippines we mix cocopeat/coal/styro.. depends on your preference… some use cocopeat/coal… and coco cube too for aeration…
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Great video. I don’t use coco peat/coir for my Nepenthes as I grow them in a very humid environment and the media doesn’t dry easily. I wouldn’t use regular peat either (I made an exception for a couple of lowlanders like bical). I think it makes more sense to use it for plants growing on a windowsill, as the media would naturally dry faster and the peat/coir would help retain the moisture in the soil. What I use however (with good success on most Nepenthes), is coco chips. I soak it and rinse it 5-6 times over the course of a week or two. It retains much less moisture and drains extremely well. If I could use only 1 type, that would probably be the one. 100% coco chips. Thanks for the video!
I'm based in India. I guess they dont use sea water to wash coco peat here. Nevertheless i didn't want to give numbers based on assumptions and got a TDS meter to test. Following are the TDS obtained: Ground/borewell water : 115 After storing in underground tank and using : 85 Stored water filtered through cocopeat(washed 3 times) in Nepenthes pot : 125 Looks like, except for the hot climate in my town, other factors favour me ;) Probably i'll try to store rainwater in the coming season explicitly for the CP. Again, Nice video. Thanks for the detailed explanations and efforts you put.
To be sure, you will need a titrating salinity test kit not a refractometer, or hygrometer. You can also use a multimeter to test conductivity. More dissolved salt, more dissolved ions, more conductive.
@@WindowsillNepenthes I’ve done the tests and incorporate coco into my cp soil recipes. I did not like how it compacts in the Nep net pots so no more. It’s reserved for outdoor use, especially bogs, too. A few good top waterings should flush out the salts. Good topic.
Moving from England to Indonesia I had to leave my collection of Nepenthes behind, however once out here I found I could find Neps quite easily I live on the outskirts of Jakarta so it's Lowland conditions, I have around 100 plants all outside in the garden, most in full sun after adjusting, sometimes it gets up to 38 degrees with humid conditions, I cant get peat moss here, I can get imported sphagnum from Chile but its expensive, so I just use coco peat with perlite, all seems fine, never had an issue, so yes it works well.
@@WindowsillNepenthes Hi Remy yes it's a big change from the UK, can you believe I miss the cold sometimes! 😂 It's nice to be able to grow the lowlanders some up going up my house over 3 metres tall, so they are definitely happy, I miss growing the more unusual Highland varieties though, along with VFT and Saracenia, however I have a lot o tropical Sundews and they grow very well, ps you have a lovely collection keep it up, your video content is great 👍
I have used it mixed with peat sphagnum and pearlite. At times it's all that's available here. Haven't had any real issues with it... But after watching this i wonder if this may be why some of cuttings a purchased last year were not very happy untill i repotted 🤔
After filtering through a large coffee filter is salinity measured? That would be my concern. I would test coco chips because the ground coco just compacts into mud. Etes vous accord, oui?
I brought Coco coir with perlite and spag moss for combination when I first start out Nepenthes. Substrate combination are 20% coco, 20% perlite and remaining spag moss.. I grew my N.Miranda.. it’s working fine.. however due to coco coir can get messy during washing.., I switch to peat moss.. btw, it’s very inexpensive to get all these stuffs in my country. My N. Miranda and N. Gracilis black are still using coco coir.. till now water filtered out from pots are still in brown. I did not wash more then 2times before using it.. and both plants are happy growing lot of pitchers..
My old friend Coir, when I say coir I mean the finely milled stuff. I am nearly peat-free here in the UK. I use washed coir for all my sarracenias and VFTs outside. The compost is freely washed by the ample rain we get here in the Nort West. I use washed coir for my Cephs and pings indoors. I have never used it on my nepenthes. I did a similar experiment in lockdown with a compressed coir brick, it expands on wetting. Put the coir inside an old pillowcase and tie a knot at the top. You can then put it in a container of water, I use a sink and wash it that way. I found washing it about 4 times was optimal. Hope this helps, cheers Adam
@@WindowsillNepenthes Hi Remy. Had lots going on. For smaller amounts, I use a nut bag. It is a fine nylon mesh bag I use to make coconut milk with. Google "nut milk bag" it comes up. I did pot my prized Heliamphora in 50/50 coir/perlite that was fine, well it's thriving, to be honest. Some products are cleaner than others so I always wash them. First with tap water. I have had TDS readings of over 1000 on the runoff so beware! I finally got a DI cartridge for my RO unit and I now get my tap water from about 380 to 0. The use of peat is very much frowned upon here in the UK. Sphagnum moss itself is not too bad as it grows back relatively quickly. I have a red-type sphagnum outside and it grows like the clappers (quickly), faster than the Darlingtonia does. My take-home message is that it is a good product, always wash it especially in plants you water via the tray method indoors. Plants outside have no problems if they are watered well or it rains all the time like it does here in Manchester!
I did a second experiment today, I had half a coir brick that I reconstituted with my RO+DI water at 0 PPM. The volume was 4 liters after the initial wetting. I put it in an old pillowcase and washed it three times with 4 liters of water at 0 PPM. I then squeezed the water out and measured the PPM each time. It was in order 77, 36, 18. I bought the brick in the UK from a company called FertileFibre. I don't use it for Nepenthes as I said before. They also sell chips and fiber. It is so easy to get orchid bark chips here that I use for nepenthes with sphagnum and perlite. Cheers, Adam.
I remember I used something like 60/40 coco coir/perlite when I got my first nepenthes. Spaghnum isn't really available here in Lithuania and I wasn't about to pay 50 euros in shipping for 5 liters LOL It worked well though, it grew without issue. Eventually got a TDS meter, so I bought a fresh block and the water that read through it read 23. I guess it truly *was* washed lol I'm not sure why your nepenthes had such a negative reaction to it, maybe some species/hybrids handle it better? Still though, really nice video:)
It's currently raining here and since i have my newly repotted nepenthes in coconut husk/coir. I just let nature do it's thing and wash the hell out of the media and have the plant enjoy ☔
@@WindowsillNepenthes lol. Like what you said. Work Smart not Hard hahahaha. I'm too lazy washing all the way so I'm just letting mother nature do it while I am collecting rainwater (It's raining season here so it will be months worth of rainwater
Hi! You have beautiful plants! I just ordered a nephantes along a venus flytraps and a drosera, im very excited, i learn a lot from your videos about the nephantes. Id like to warn you, at 4:24 your TDS meter shows 137x10ppm. I dont have the same type, but a similar one, and mine does this when the water is above 1000 ppm, so maybe your peat solution has a ppm of 1370, while the coco solution was a regular 282 ppm? I use it for hydroponics, ideally 300-800 ppm, so the x10 doesnt come up often, but when it does, its not good :)
Hey I was wondering if I could do a combination of orchid bark and spagnhum moss with Nepenthes Gaya and Alata? Like having the bottom with the bark and the top mostly most or do you have any recommendations because I'm gonna be using a hanging pot set up
@@WindowsillNepenthes so it's a good idea that I found some with a water tray but I do know pitchers are not like their fellow carnivorous plants that love bog environment. But is it a good idea to use the tray?
oooh... also, what is the software/hardware you use to record environmental conditions?* (Do you have a video about how to choose such equipment?) *ua-cam.com/video/gJkdm4SPtoI/v-deo.html Aloha, -pt
Very good test. I see people say to use 100% coco coir, but I don't think they realize that only works on a small group of lowland plants. It is too heavy for almost every other nepenthes. You added a lot of perlite and bark which helped. I do use it but not for nepenthes. I mix it in to my frog tropical terrariums and other non carnivorous tropical plants. I bought the coco husks (after seeing the video on hamta on a windowsill) but have yet to use it. Looks like your plant was shocked by the drastic change in substrate but eventually got used to it. I hate how expensive and rare sphagnum has become. Very hard to find cheap ones anymore that aren't poor quality. I hate the ones they have a lowes and only use those now for set ups that it is not a main important ingredient. But really quality sphagnum is the best and nothing compares to it. I do have live sphagnum. I should try to grow lots of it and farm it and dry it for myself. Perhaps you can do that too. Have trays just of sphagnum growing.
You are right, maybe the plant needed time to adapt... could also be the temperature or me braking a root by accident. I really don't know but the result is positive right now :)
@@WindowsillNepenthes, maybe you can replicate the experiment, except change the soil more gradually (add some peat or Sphagnum moss to the mix). Happy growing!
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Have to rinse the heck out of it just to be safe.
Here(India) there are coconut plantations far away from the sea.
Normally fresh water is used to extract fiber from ripe coconuts. However, if the coconuts are not fully ripe, they are sometimes processed with brine, which can cause high salt levels in the coir.
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I plan to pick some fallen 🥥's from a tree in my backyard and make some myself when I get a nepenthes, just to be safe😂.. my mom uses coconut husk from that tree for her orchids
Well, if you have access to "organic" coco in your backyard that's cool!
I like coconut husk
Yes, I use a mix of coco peat and coco fiber (fibre) for my Nepenthes {coco peat to hold moisture and coco fiber (fibre) for drainage 1:1} and yes it is doing great,most coconuts here in India are not from the shore but the plains So they are 100% salt free.
I'm using a pure coco peat, and my Nephentes love it so much.....
coco peat alone drains better than 10% 20% 30% perlite
Yes it’s a popular media here in Philippines we mix cocopeat/coal/styro.. depends on your preference… some use cocopeat/coal… and coco cube too for aeration…
Great video. I don’t use coco peat/coir for my Nepenthes as I grow them in a very humid environment and the media doesn’t dry easily. I wouldn’t use regular peat either (I made an exception for a couple of lowlanders like bical). I think it makes more sense to use it for plants growing on a windowsill, as the media would naturally dry faster and the peat/coir would help retain the moisture in the soil.
What I use however (with good success on most Nepenthes), is coco chips. I soak it and rinse it 5-6 times over the course of a week or two. It retains much less moisture and drains extremely well. If I could use only 1 type, that would probably be the one. 100% coco chips.
Thanks for the video!
I still have to try these coco chips for sure. I heard good things about them. :)
I just grow mine in wood chip and bark and hose them with tap water they are very tough . Awesome plants sir cheers from Australia
Hi 👋 Did you test the TDS of your tap water?
no not yet i will check it out @@WindowsillNepenthesbut I have used it on a flytrap and it suffered badly on the tap water
Thanks Remy for the tutorial ;)
We wash cocopeat usually 3-4times… hahaha some were lazy that they just stick outdoor and let the rain do the job…
Work smarter not harder haha
@@WindowsillNepenthes haha true true…
I'm based in India. I guess they dont use sea water to wash coco peat here. Nevertheless i didn't want to give numbers based on assumptions and got a TDS meter to test. Following are the TDS obtained:
Ground/borewell water : 115
After storing in underground tank and using : 85
Stored water filtered through cocopeat(washed 3 times) in Nepenthes pot : 125
Looks like, except for the hot climate in my town, other factors favour me ;)
Probably i'll try to store rainwater in the coming season explicitly for the CP.
Again, Nice video. Thanks for the detailed explanations and efforts you put.
Glad that you like it :)
And thank you for the TDS stats ;)
That coconut pot in the thumbnail looks so cool
That would be great right? 😆
Maybe with some rhum...
To be sure, you will need a titrating salinity test kit not a refractometer, or hygrometer. You can also use a multimeter to test conductivity. More dissolved salt, more dissolved ions, more conductive.
That's super advanced test! You are an expert 😉
@@WindowsillNepenthes I’ve done the tests and incorporate coco into my cp soil recipes. I did not like how it compacts in the Nep net pots so no more. It’s reserved for outdoor use, especially bogs, too. A few good top waterings should flush out the salts. Good topic.
I would have enjoyed you comparing two of the same type of nepenthes, one in peat and one in coco peat, with everything else being the same.
Moving from England to Indonesia I had to leave my collection of Nepenthes behind, however once out here I found I could find Neps quite easily I live on the outskirts of Jakarta so it's Lowland conditions, I have around 100 plants all outside in the garden, most in full sun after adjusting, sometimes it gets up to 38 degrees with humid conditions, I cant get peat moss here, I can get imported sphagnum from Chile but its expensive, so I just use coco peat with perlite, all seems fine, never had an issue, so yes it works well.
From England to Indonesia? What a climate change! sounds cool to grow Nepenthes on a backyard!
@@WindowsillNepenthes Hi Remy yes it's a big change from the UK, can you believe I miss the cold sometimes! 😂 It's nice to be able to grow the lowlanders some up going up my house over 3 metres tall, so they are definitely happy, I miss growing the more unusual Highland varieties though, along with VFT and Saracenia, however I have a lot o tropical Sundews and they grow very well, ps you have a lovely collection keep it up, your video content is great 👍
I have used it mixed with peat sphagnum and pearlite. At times it's all that's available here. Haven't had any real issues with it... But after watching this i wonder if this may be why some of cuttings a purchased last year were not very happy untill i repotted 🤔
Hard to tell right? Also, most coco peat users grow lowland... So it could also be linked to that?
I have a coco peat brick, I haven't used it as of now.
Some species like it and some don't. It's not toxic but monitor the plant after 2-3 months ;)
After filtering through a large coffee filter is salinity measured? That would be my concern. I would test coco chips because the ground coco just compacts into mud. Etes vous accord, oui?
Yes coco chips will be my next step ;)
I brought Coco coir with perlite and spag moss for combination when I first start out Nepenthes. Substrate combination are 20% coco, 20% perlite and remaining spag moss.. I grew my N.Miranda.. it’s working fine.. however due to coco coir can get messy during washing.., I switch to peat moss.. btw, it’s very inexpensive to get all these stuffs in my country. My N. Miranda and N. Gracilis black are still using coco coir.. till now water filtered out from pots are still in brown. I did not wash more then 2times before using it.. and both plants are happy growing lot of pitchers..
My old friend Coir, when I say coir I mean the finely milled stuff. I am nearly peat-free here in the UK. I use washed coir for all my sarracenias and VFTs outside. The compost is freely washed by the ample rain we get here in the Nort West. I use washed coir for my Cephs and pings indoors. I have never used it on my nepenthes. I did a similar experiment in lockdown with a compressed coir brick, it expands on wetting. Put the coir inside an old pillowcase and tie a knot at the top. You can then put it in a container of water, I use a sink and wash it that way. I found washing it about 4 times was optimal. Hope this helps, cheers Adam
Hi Adam 👋 long time no see ;)
Thanks for the info about the other carnivorous plants.
@@WindowsillNepenthes Hi Remy. Had lots going on. For smaller amounts, I use a nut bag. It is a fine nylon mesh bag I use to make coconut milk with. Google "nut milk bag" it comes up. I did pot my prized Heliamphora in 50/50 coir/perlite that was fine, well it's thriving, to be honest. Some products are cleaner than others so I always wash them. First with tap water. I have had TDS readings of over 1000 on the runoff so beware! I finally got a DI cartridge for my RO unit and I now get my tap water from about 380 to 0. The use of peat is very much frowned upon here in the UK. Sphagnum moss itself is not too bad as it grows back relatively quickly. I have a red-type sphagnum outside and it grows like the clappers (quickly), faster than the Darlingtonia does. My take-home message is that it is a good product, always wash it especially in plants you water via the tray method indoors. Plants outside have no problems if they are watered well or it rains all the time like it does here in Manchester!
I did a second experiment today, I had half a coir brick that I reconstituted with my RO+DI water at 0 PPM. The volume was 4 liters after the initial wetting. I put it in an old pillowcase and washed it three times with 4 liters of water at 0 PPM. I then squeezed the water out and measured the PPM each time. It was in order 77, 36, 18. I bought the brick in the UK from a company called FertileFibre. I don't use it for Nepenthes as I said before. They also sell chips and fiber. It is so easy to get orchid bark chips here that I use for nepenthes with sphagnum and perlite. Cheers, Adam.
What about coconut husk? What doyou think? Should we wash them? Cause I do not have a TDS meter.
Cripe, buy a TDS meter because they are rather cheap. Check Ebay for example.
I don't know... but if I buy coco husk again, I'll let them rest into water for 28h and test the ppm. ;)
Did the plant always shut down the pitchers after repot? My thorelii x truncate squat after repot kept the pitchers but stopped growing.
:|
When repotting, if roots are too disturbed the plant will pause the pitcher too grow more roots. Its normal.
I remember I used something like 60/40 coco coir/perlite when I got my first nepenthes. Spaghnum isn't really available here in Lithuania and I wasn't about to pay 50 euros in shipping for 5 liters LOL
It worked well though, it grew without issue. Eventually got a TDS meter, so I bought a fresh block and the water that read through it read 23. I guess it truly *was* washed lol
I'm not sure why your nepenthes had such a negative reaction to it, maybe some species/hybrids handle it better?
Still though, really nice video:)
Can you post the link for the PPM reader you used.
amzn.to/3ueJWxY
I use cocopeat for mine. Never ever did rinsed them. Used them straight with pumice stone. My nepenthes are doing well, at least.
May I ask you where come from the coco peat? Because I just did a video about a problem linked to coco (you will see it in 2 weeks).
@@WindowsillNepenthes I'm from Malaysia, and I've bought my cocopeat from local nurseries.
Coconutpeat looks like Coffeepowder😉
And because we received rain that much we just put nepenthes outdoor and let the rain rinse the media…
It's currently raining here and since i have my newly repotted nepenthes in coconut husk/coir. I just let nature do it's thing and wash the hell out of the media and have the plant enjoy ☔
Smart 🤓
@@WindowsillNepenthes lol. Like what you said. Work Smart not Hard hahahaha. I'm too lazy washing all the way so I'm just letting mother nature do it while I am collecting rainwater (It's raining season here so it will be months worth of rainwater
Wonderful video. Very informative. Thank you
I did plant in similar substrate and I checked it is only 25-35 ppm
Didn’t wash it at all
Yes, some people told me that... I think it really depends on the country or origin.
Hi! You have beautiful plants! I just ordered a nephantes along a venus flytraps and a drosera, im very excited, i learn a lot from your videos about the nephantes. Id like to warn you, at 4:24 your TDS meter shows 137x10ppm. I dont have the same type, but a similar one, and mine does this when the water is above 1000 ppm, so maybe your peat solution has a ppm of 1370, while the coco solution was a regular 282 ppm? I use it for hydroponics, ideally 300-800 ppm, so the x10 doesnt come up often, but when it does, its not good :)
Thanks for the tips. I believe it was a bug as I tested this peat a fee times. ;)
And I don't use peat for nepenthes. But double check to be sure 👍
Hey I was wondering if I could do a combination of orchid bark and spagnhum moss with Nepenthes Gaya and Alata? Like having the bottom with the bark and the top mostly most or do you have any recommendations because I'm gonna be using a hanging pot set up
Yes, you could have this mix. Just take care as hanging pot tend to dry faster so you want a good ratio that retain water.
@@WindowsillNepenthes so it's a good idea that I found some with a water tray but I do know pitchers are not like their fellow carnivorous plants that love bog environment. But is it a good idea to use the tray?
@@joshuamohle4116 I use the tray but the pots don't sit into water. ua-cam.com/video/aIqFXtbOxvE/v-deo.html
What sp/hyb is the beautiful big pitcher?*
*ua-cam.com/video/gJkdm4SPtoI/v-deo.html
-pt
That's (spathulata x spectabilis) BE-3314.
But it gets darker over time.
oooh... also, what is the software/hardware you use to record environmental conditions?* (Do you have a video about how to choose such equipment?)
*ua-cam.com/video/gJkdm4SPtoI/v-deo.html
Aloha, -pt
I use a sensor that connect to my phone: ua-cam.com/video/cUpgYiPmuNA/v-deo.html