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As someone who's been playing games on keyboard since I was a small child, either through emulators or fan games, switching to keyboard controls was really easy to me and I regretted ever going to stick in the first place.
I've always played everything on Keyboard but now that i am getting into fighting games i am using a controller because it feels more natural and relaxing, but i am pretty confident that keyboard is more precise and faster for a skilled player.
For people thinking of switching: There will be an awkward adjustment period. There will definitely be a learning curve for certain things(even simple things like superjumping, menu-ing, block buffering).
One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned: Loosen or remove your watch during the first few weeks at least. My left wrist was hurting like crazy when I first picked up the guitar until a friend told me to loosen my watch and that made a huge difference, the pain didn’t go away entirely but it was far more tolerable.
Little warning about the Micro for those who are interested: unless they switched to a smooth finish since last year, the texture on the face and buttons is a bit abraisive, which isn't a problem when using it, it feels fine. However, if you play a lot it rubs teeny tiny little bits of skin off your fingers and that builds up real quick and looks pretty bad against the black. Nothing a brush and some rubbing alchohol can't get rid of, but it's worth noting. Still a solid controller though, it's replaced my official Hitbox for the time being. Edit: realised they're making a transparent case, which I assume is smooth, combined with the convex button replacements should solve the issue above
I bought a Snack Box Micro w/ Heavy Metal plate a few months ago. Absolutely love it. Some things to keep in mind that I find useful. 1) It doesn't work on PS5 games, but it does work for PS4 games played on the PS5. You just have to make sure to update the firmware on their website. 2) Dashes are even easier than you think; If you hit forward and HOLD IT while you tap back, the game reads it as 656. That's the SOCD (Simultaneous Opposite Cardinal Direction) Cleaner. Left/Right at the same time defaults to Neutral, and Up/Down at the same time defaults to Up. 3) I've gotten more mileage out of using different thumbs to hit the jump button depending on the situation. Like if I'm doing a TK motion, I'll often use my right thumb to hit it so I can hit Up and the move (B,HS, whatever...) at the same time more easily. Good luck on your Hitbox journey.
I got one for Xmas and love it. It goes wherever my laptop goes pretty much. I'm 32 and in college and these kids see me playing Mark of the Wolves in class lol The clicky buttons are so satisfying
I don’t normally play on hitbox, but I spend a lot of time at school or traveling, and this is very useful to play some games during an off period or lunch and has helped me keep playing fighting games through my busy schedule
Protip: for claw position, stick a keyboard or mouse rest under your wrist/palm Junk foods did a really great job with that controller; it looks extremely portable yet still useful; great for throwing in your bag to carry around if you are playing casuals at your friends' house at a moment's notice
I said in an earlier comment that I play on a keyboard which is comparable to a hit box. The way to help memorize and develop muscle memory for your inputs is to listen to the sound of your key presses. It’s a good habit to pick up when trying to learn the timing for precise inputs in rhythm games too. Once you got the combo down, you can tell precisely how off your timing is if it doesn’t line up with how you remember the rhythm of your key press is supposed to sound when done properly.
my first fg was dbfz and i played on keyboard. without knowing, i set my layout the same way you would on a hitbox, so the switch was seamless. i use my left thumb for jumping though, and you can achieve any combos (tk inputs, 360 motions) with enough practice on any layout. always aim for comfort!
a little tip: if you buy one dont be stingy and pay for the cheapest delivery option like me, i ordered in May last year and im still waiting cuz the shipping agency got problems due covid and im still waiting to arrive, just last week the package started to moving according to the website, get a better shipping agency if you could afford it
@@armoredsquirrel946 honestly id rather refund this and get another one with better delivery cuz this sounds like some bs cuz no way they'd take this long to deliver one thing "because of covid"
Getting comfortable on the Hitbox didn't take very long for me, but maybe that's because I already had experience with a bunch of different controllers/grips. I'm pretty particular about optimizing inputs and I really love the hitbox.
I got mine last week. My only complaints are the weird menu buttons and the short USB cable (which you can easily switch out). The buttons feel nice and crunchy, but the size is (obviously) the real sell here. Being able to carry it around easily is a huge deal. Also, if your hands are getting strained, put it further down on your lap and let your hands get supported by your thighs. Helped me a lot.
I recently switched to the hitbox crossup and it was like the best purchase I've ever made. I love these new controllers because they help you improve without taking away the fun of complex inputs.
I've had my hitbox for over a year now and I love it. I couldn't for the life of me get used to using my right thumb for jumping, so now I just use my left hand for all movement. Lol
When I picked up my Hitbox I tried the claw technique you describe and it hurt my hands as well. I found its more comfortable for me to have my wrists low, like I'm typing on a keyboard. I can go all day with no discomfort. I never used a stick, but I went from gamepad to Hitbox and I love it. I have way more control now. I struggled to DP on game pad. Not an issue anymore. Its great. I highly recommend a cheatbox for anyone interested. It wont make you a smarter player, but your inputs will be easier. There's a bit of a learning curve , but its worth it. Goldlewis half circles are fun on this type of controller.
The snackbox micro is great for travel. I don't really like playing on hitbox but the micro is a solid product. I prefer the MPress as the full size buttons feel more natural. But my main arcade stick is a custom mixbox with a small form factor. As for switching, it is not too hard to pick up other controllers especially if you are playing on your main since you know the timings. Oh and obviously play a charge character to get the most out of it using the SOCD to allow for fast flash kicks. You can also slide your finger along the buttons to get the half circle or full circle motions for grapplers if that is your thing.
I love the Micro so much. Sticks need to be big because of the lever(age), but Hitboxes are huge just because they're assuming they need to be. Hitbox is a fighting game keyboard trying to pretend it's a fight stick. Micro is a fighting game keyboard that owns it and leans into how cool that can be. The whole "don't rest your hands, use piano posture" is less important for this controller because it isn't stupidly large so if you're resting your hands it's on your desk or your lap and is much more natural. Anyway good luck and I hope you enjoy it. I saw some questions in the stream that I can answer: 1. Is it 3d printed? No, the body is cut from some kind of big sheet of industrial plastic with a textured layer on top, which is then mitered out to make room for the buttons and internals. The thing is basically a solid chunk of very durable plastic. I can try and twist it in my hands and it doesn't even creak. They ran over one with a truck and it was barely scratched, and it still works. 2. Is that the one Tokido has? Yes, he has one and has used it. I don't think it is his main controller. 3. How do the buttons feel? It uses linear mechanical keyboard switches, if that means anything to you. I prefer the action over Sanwa. The keycaps are 3d printed but it's a high quality process and they have a good feel. 4. Does it fall off if you place it on your legs? No, Jiyuna was slightly mistaken when he said it was light without the Heavy Metal Plate. The basic comes with a weighted plate, but not as thick as his. All told I think the basic version is like 2 lbs and with the Heavy Metal Plate it's like 4 lbs. Either way it has a non-slick pad on the bottom that clings to fabric even better than desks, so it doesn't really go anywhere. You either have to sit with your legs together or kinda squeeze the edges between your legs, either way it works once you get comfortable with it. Finally, I recommend the silencing pads available on their site. They raise the depressed profile of the caps slightly so its more level with the rest of the controller. Double tappers will definitely want that.
Hitbox user here. A super important part of first using one is using finger exercises to build up the finger/hand muscles that normally barely get any use. The plus side is that you can do these finger exercises even when you don't have the stick. I use to do them on my desk at work. Generally what you want to do is mimic the different special motions you'll be performing in the game of your choice, although mimicking the Tekken wave dash motion and hitbox KBD motion are great exercises even if you don't plan to play those games. The accuracy doesn't matter here, it's getting your hand use to the repetition of the different motions without getting fatigued and cramping up. Also the D button that you had by default, personally I almost always hit it with my index. And hitting the jump button with your left thumb does come in handy when you want to IAD as I find hitting two buttons simultaneously (u+f in this case) easier with one hand than two. It also causes IAD to end up feeling almost identical to doing a normal dash.
Damn, I just picked up one of these myself a day ago! I'm very impressed so far. And using a hitbox has been an adjustment but it doesn't feel nearly as alien as I thought it would be. My inputs are cleaner too (though it doesn't solve my bad habits!)
I enjoy the feel of a joystick it’s definitely satisfying but I can see the clear advantage of hit box or lever less or button supremacy controllers Also if you see this are the movement buttons too close to the action button for you they look so close and clusterphobic
Strangely enough I went from pad to stick for Strive and it has done me wonders. Once I practiced to gain memory muscle, half circles became some of the easiest inputs.
Depending on the game, you can cheat the input on DP 623 motion with a real quick 33 (or 214 with a quick 11). This can be finicky though, and my preferred input is either hold 2 and double tap 1/6 depending on direction of DP needed, or hold 1/6 and double tap 2. Either one works for different situations/cancels.
8:00 i use my left hand to all the movement (left thumb to jump) and my right hand to the rest of the buttons, i dont know if its the most practical but is definitely intuitive to me, specially because im a pc player use to jump with the space bar, also, i use at least in strive: P=Square K=X S=Triangle HS=R1 so that way my most agile finger (index) controls the fastest buttons (A-B) and the rest fingers do the job for the chonky buttons
get the ultra heavy metal plate for it. It transforms the feel making it so sturdy and comfortable in the lap. Without it it kinda feels like it will slide around.
I used to hate 360s on stick or pad, but on hitbox, it's so much easier. You just piano the left down right and then hit up and your normal button(s) at the same time. Super easy to do standing. Goldlewis was pretty strange to get used to on hitbox, but now that I'm used to him, I'm pretty sure I've got an advantage over stick players. For running double quarter circles, you can just hold forward and then (without letting go of forward) press and release down+back twice; this is the equivalent of sending the game forward, down, forward, down (since back and forward cancel out).
This always depends on how the game reads inputs, the SOCD cleaner on the controller, and older classic games tend to be more strict, especially for 360s. Stick is still better for old games, I gotta admit. Still with practice you can get it work, the biggest struggle for button boxes is 360s in old ancient games.
@@chronology556 The stricter games are where hitbox shines even more. You only need the four cardinal directions to get an SPD in SF2, and it's way easier to do that with a hitbox.
easy dp for no street fighter games, hold forward, hold back, down, release back + button (need to think like you piano the other buttons with forward holded), easy 360 (or at least if the game requires 4 cardinals but not ordered), back, forward, down, up button. for your hand pain you need to treat the hitbox as it was a keyboard, meaning your arm needs to form a 90 degree angle, if it lower you get muscle pain, if it higher you get muscle pain again, using in a desk is a great way to set up, if you want it to be on your lap like a arcade stick look for ways to make your legs higher, example us the legs or your chair to put your feet
I want one too! I already play a cheap hitbox knockoff but its really fun once you get it. I love the dash cheat cause its incredibly fast. I'm still holding out till the Ps5 version comes out cause I wanna finally enjoy Strive in 4k
Another thing you can try if taking it slow doesnt work is quitting stick cold turkey. I did that and after about a month of forcing myself to only play hitbox I felt comfortable. Now I play both.
At this point, I use basically everything for fun, wsadbox, stickless, fightpads, and stick. Out of all of them wsadbox's are probably my favorite because I started with keyboard then stick.
@@theWIIISEguy I try to stay away from brand names for it, Mixbox is actually a company. Same reason I don't call it a hitbox so I say stickless or buttonbox. To be honest you could call them whatever as long as someone knows what your talking about.
You’re like me, but I don’t live in the U.S., and I cannot buy anything that’s 200$ or more without incurring tax and customs charges in the country, I live in. I would love to have a Snackbox Micro and a WASD style controller to complete my stick. I still need a modern pad, though. I’m looking at Logitech F310 for pads, I play on PC.
I thought about picking one up awhile ago. The thing is I don’t know if I want to go through the learning process again. It took me a little bit to get used to stick, and now the D-pad feels foreign to me. Not in terms of movement, because that’s solid, but things like getting a DP out every time. I find myself not letting go of forward (forward, down-forward), just sitting there punching or kicking the ground, and I’m thinking damn you act like you never used to play on controller. And to clarify, I’m talking about a standard D-Pad. I can use the Razer Raion just fine even though people complained about it dropping inputs. I never experienced this problem, because I don’t press down on the center. I do like how sleek that snack box is. It’ll definitely take some practice to get good with that thing I feel. I imagine things like air throw would be weird for me. I have always thrown with thumb + fore finger. I would have to get used to using fore+middle for that.
I built a stickless a few months ago and man the adjustment period is weird. It feels so, so good now though. My wrists are way happier than with a pad.
As somebody who used hitbox for a couple years and switched back, will offer some ergonomic advice. This'll probably a little long. I switched back cuz characters I got into in certain games have like 632146 motions, which for me is easier on stick (Sol, Belial), and DP is way more consistent for me on stick. But I still think hitbox type controllers are great, maybe half circle motions being a little more difficult and sometimes DPs in a scramble can be sketchy(and good luck with 360 command grabs), but most motions are faster on hitbox. Be very careful with getting TOO much of a claw position. It is the #1 way you can develop carpal tunnel syndrome. Even with an actual keyboard, always better to have to stretch your fingers a little for number keys rather than claw them too much for bottom row keys for safety's sake. A regular hitbox has some bulk on the bottom like any controller, but I got into it cuz it was skinnier than most sticks. So it fit on my lap easier. Since that thing has no bulk, I recommend using that more towards the end of your lap. If it's too close you'll get carpal tunnel syndrome plus you'll have to kink your wrists to the side, which can hurt even worse. Keep your wrists as straight as possible to avoid damage. They actually make some hitboxes now where the atk buttons are angled out too, not just the direction buttons. One other thing. Unless you are a piano player, you have no idea how much of a punk ass little bitch your left ring finger is, but as left or right it's a very important button. It will take time to develop the muscles in that finger, but it's critical to do so. With the priority system (left/right cancel each other, up overrides down completely) there are some pretty dirty tricks for easy motions. DP? Hold fwd and immediately hit down+back and release back. Almost like a plink, but you only release one finger. Double fb supers? Hold fwd then quickly double tap down+back twice. Have to properly release back when you fwd for sonic boom motions so you don't cancel back to neutral at the end, but once you get the timing, those are way easy. Plus you can flash kick without even releasing the down button cuz up overrides it. And don't get me started on the advantages for fuzzy blocking. From crouching block you literally change to blocking overhead by just releasing the down button. IADs are crazy easy too. Half circle motions are hard unless you really get good at releasing that back button when you fwd, and once you do they are much easier. Once your ring finger gets buffed, a lot of things will suddenly start to click and get way easier. I honestly think that small of a hitbox might not be that finger friendly, but after a couple months you'll know well enough to confirm or deny that for us. Oh and let Punk know he should try one, because it would be the only way he could teabag even faster than he already does.
as a consumer of this product lemme tell you this shit is fire definitely worth it, love the size super comfortable to use and light up buttons are amazing
Tower defense mobage actually looks pretty good. Snackbox is 100% goated. They are kind of unreal good for the size, I couldn't believe how comfortable it was I thought it would be way too small but I was wrong!
Right thumb on jump is ok, but left is more optimal imo. Minimizes right hand movement and leaves the right thumb available to hit the lower row if needed.
My thumb is always on X,pointer finger on square, middle finger on triangle, ring finger is a tossup based on games. Well on stick never used a hitbox before
I got giant ass strong man hands my fingers each have abs. Although that small controller may not be for players like myself, but it's cool as af that fighting game players are getting a nice variety of controllers. Might have to give the Hitbox a go though.
I made the swap to the hitbox fairly easily because I used to play games like super meatboy on keyboard. The only thing I will say is that your inputs will be so precise that inputs will be missed because you do them too fast. I had to relearn the timing for tiger knees, but things like dp's have been way more precise.
Yo! This might get lost, but, position wise, you can rest the outside of your palms, as long as you bring forward the box, and keep your wrists extended! Ofc, everyone is different, if it hurts, try a different position. There is NO reason leverless should hurt, or any controller for that matter. (Personally I put it on my lap, closer to the knees, and lean back in the chair, making lots of room to keep my arms somewhat extended)
Definitely been wanting to pick up a micro for a while now, it'd be hella nice to have on me while I travel with my laptop or visiting friends who also like playing FGs
Seems interesting, would you recommend it for someone new to fighting games in general? I tried stick and I wasn't a fan of how movement felt, but I love arcade buttons so maybe this would work?
I think it's even better if you're coming to it without the muscle memory of a stick. And even moreso if you're used to playing pc games with keyboard + mouse.
It'll probably feel awkward for a bit. I started on pad but it hurt my thumbs, so I switched to hitbox and it felt awkward to jump/block/dash (movement in general), then I switched to stick for a while, but I got a lot of miss inputs. I ended up switching back to hitbox for Strive and put in the time to get used to it. It's definitely my favorite of the 3 now that I'm comfortable on it. But now I use a different controller for every game I play ;_:
This looks really appealing as a FGC newbie who's only played pad. I'm a pianist so that hand position looks incredibly comfy, albeit a bit crowded. 200 dollars though..
This might suit me better. I like stick, but I'm used to playing fighting games on keyboard. Only switched because of compatibility issues with PS4 games. Snackbox or hitbox looks like a good compromise
Yeah I've been waiting a long time for sticks to become sensibly sized devices instead of a 16 wheeler control panel. I expected pads to come out on top but with how fast they break and how companies seem like they're purposely avoiding the best dpad design (Neo Geo Pocket Color), custom size leverless really are the future.
The most frustrating to me using a regular arcade stick was accidental inputs. Sometime trying to hit 22 I would accidentally hit 1 or 3. For the record I use a Seimitsu Ls-40. Obviously hitting 22 with a hitbox layout is stupid easy with no room for error. Certain inputs however can become more challenging compared to arcade stick but the precision of hitbox speaks for itself. Also interesting "shortcuts" exist. For a shoryken input would be 623, you could do that but I personally do 626 and blazblue would read it as 623. Some people complain about hand cramps which I never got, but I did not practice with fighting games at first, I played Bloodstained Curse of the Moon and Octopath Traveler to get used to the hitbox layout. That snackbox is making me want an ice cream sandwich :)
1. That position you described for where to position your hands is the same thing that they teach piano players. For anyone who might think the advice is unintuitive, it's actually super-legit. 2. When you think you've really mastered that thing, you should do a Goldlewis combo video to prove it, lol.
To make it more ergonomic for your wrist, just put it on top of some books, make it higher than your wrist so your wrist joint doesn't bend a lot. Also junk food keys is too close together compared to original hitbox, to make it easier just change the right hand button so you start with lower buttons while upper buttons as extra
my big problem was only circular inputs when I tried. You kinda have to find the fastest way you can input them in which the controller also registers them. I only got used to stick back in the marvel3 days because you just couldn't play any air dasher without a stick at a competitive level. So I'm hoping the same doesn't happen again with the hitbox lol.
I’m also switching to Hitbox/Snackbox soon. I’ve been using stick for most of my life for fighting games and now My hands are killing me playing sometimes or long sets. I can’t wait to try it.
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As someone who's been playing games on keyboard since I was a small child, either through emulators or fan games, switching to keyboard controls was really easy to me and I regretted ever going to stick in the first place.
Yeah I have been going from keyboard to stick and nowadays I play on hitbox, this feels much better
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I've always played everything on Keyboard but now that i am getting into fighting games i am using a controller because it feels more natural and relaxing, but i am pretty confident that keyboard is more precise and faster for a skilled player.
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Almost at 70k, Jiyuna! I can't imagine what it's like to have 70 thousand people care about what you think.
Keep it up! 100k will come eventually
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For people thinking of switching: There will be an awkward adjustment period. There will definitely be a learning curve for certain things(even simple things like superjumping, menu-ing, block buffering).
Yup, just take it slow.
Menuing is the biggest one
Can't get past that menu trial
One thing I don’t think anyone has mentioned: Loosen or remove your watch during the first few weeks at least.
My left wrist was hurting like crazy when I first picked up the guitar until a friend told me to loosen my watch and that made a huge difference, the pain didn’t go away entirely but it was far more tolerable.
Little warning about the Micro for those who are interested: unless they switched to a smooth finish since last year, the texture on the face and buttons is a bit abraisive, which isn't a problem when using it, it feels fine. However, if you play a lot it rubs teeny tiny little bits of skin off your fingers and that builds up real quick and looks pretty bad against the black. Nothing a brush and some rubbing alchohol can't get rid of, but it's worth noting. Still a solid controller though, it's replaced my official Hitbox for the time being.
Edit: realised they're making a transparent case, which I assume is smooth, combined with the convex button replacements should solve the issue above
All the buttons have a smooth finish to them now afaik
Nice. Good promo! I just bought one! The next batch ships out end of February (28th). Can't wait.
I bought a Snack Box Micro w/ Heavy Metal plate a few months ago. Absolutely love it. Some things to keep in mind that I find useful.
1) It doesn't work on PS5 games, but it does work for PS4 games played on the PS5. You just have to make sure to update the firmware on their website.
2) Dashes are even easier than you think; If you hit forward and HOLD IT while you tap back, the game reads it as 656. That's the SOCD (Simultaneous Opposite Cardinal Direction) Cleaner. Left/Right at the same time defaults to Neutral, and Up/Down at the same time defaults to Up.
3) I've gotten more mileage out of using different thumbs to hit the jump button depending on the situation. Like if I'm doing a TK motion, I'll often use my right thumb to hit it so I can hit Up and the move (B,HS, whatever...) at the same time more easily.
Good luck on your Hitbox journey.
I use the right hand thumb trick for tk dp motions. Though I don't play characters either that motion often, lol.
I got one for Xmas and love it. It goes wherever my laptop goes pretty much.
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The clicky buttons are so satisfying
I don’t normally play on hitbox, but I spend a lot of time at school or traveling, and this is very useful to play some games during an off period or lunch and has helped me keep playing fighting games through my busy schedule
Protip: for claw position, stick a keyboard or mouse rest under your wrist/palm
Junk foods did a really great job with that controller; it looks extremely portable yet still useful; great for throwing in your bag to carry around if you are playing casuals at your friends' house at a moment's notice
I'm very tempted to get one of these. I like the idea of dedicating each finger to a button versus thumbs doing most of the work on a controller.
I said in an earlier comment that I play on a keyboard which is comparable to a hit box. The way to help memorize and develop muscle memory for your inputs is to listen to the sound of your key presses. It’s a good habit to pick up when trying to learn the timing for precise inputs in rhythm games too. Once you got the combo down, you can tell precisely how off your timing is if it doesn’t line up with how you remember the rhythm of your key press is supposed to sound when done properly.
Keyboard ftw! And thank you for the tip there. =)
my first fg was dbfz and i played on keyboard. without knowing, i set my layout the same way you would on a hitbox, so the switch was seamless. i use my left thumb for jumping though, and you can achieve any combos (tk inputs, 360 motions) with enough practice on any layout. always aim for comfort!
i’ve been wanting to grab one of these, seems like a great buy
Same. I love hitboxes. But I love the portability of pads. This looks like a best of both worlds for me.
I love it.
I've been using keyboard for fighting games since the beginning so if I ever want to get hitbox its gonna be easy to change cuz it's almost the same
a little tip: if you buy one dont be stingy and pay for the cheapest delivery option like me, i ordered in May last year and im still waiting cuz the shipping agency got problems due covid and im still waiting to arrive, just last week the package started to moving according to the website, get a better shipping agency if you could afford it
@@armoredsquirrel946 honestly id rather refund this and get another one with better delivery cuz this sounds like some bs cuz no way they'd take this long to deliver one thing "because of covid"
Getting comfortable on the Hitbox didn't take very long for me, but maybe that's because I already had experience with a bunch of different controllers/grips. I'm pretty particular about optimizing inputs and I really love the hitbox.
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I got mine last week. My only complaints are the weird menu buttons and the short USB cable (which you can easily switch out). The buttons feel nice and crunchy, but the size is (obviously) the real sell here. Being able to carry it around easily is a huge deal.
Also, if your hands are getting strained, put it further down on your lap and let your hands get supported by your thighs. Helped me a lot.
For 200$ they could give you a real cable. Used to be 180$ by the way
I recently switched to the hitbox crossup and it was like the best purchase I've ever made. I love these new controllers because they help you improve without taking away the fun of complex inputs.
Good thing I liked the video and I'm subscribed with the bell because I believe Jiyuna's unboxings videos will save the fgc
I've had my hitbox for over a year now and I love it. I couldn't for the life of me get used to using my right thumb for jumping, so now I just use my left hand for all movement. Lol
In addition to taking it slow, I'd also suggest doing wrist/hand stretches as well.
Low-key I sometimes imagine people who play on hitbox be looking like stenographers to me lmao.
I am so into controllers with a focus on portability; right now. I built a hitbox into a briefcase specically to carry onto Ferry's and stuff
Had mine for a good little while now, I absolutely love it. My first non game pad controller
When I picked up my Hitbox I tried the claw technique you describe and it hurt my hands as well. I found its more comfortable for me to have my wrists low, like I'm typing on a keyboard. I can go all day with no discomfort. I never used a stick, but I went from gamepad to Hitbox and I love it. I have way more control now. I struggled to DP on game pad. Not an issue anymore. Its great. I highly recommend a cheatbox for anyone interested. It wont make you a smarter player, but your inputs will be easier. There's a bit of a learning curve , but its worth it. Goldlewis half circles are fun on this type of controller.
The snackbox micro is great for travel. I don't really like playing on hitbox but the micro is a solid product. I prefer the MPress as the full size buttons feel more natural. But my main arcade stick is a custom mixbox with a small form factor. As for switching, it is not too hard to pick up other controllers especially if you are playing on your main since you know the timings.
Oh and obviously play a charge character to get the most out of it using the SOCD to allow for fast flash kicks. You can also slide your finger along the buttons to get the half circle or full circle motions for grapplers if that is your thing.
I love the Micro so much. Sticks need to be big because of the lever(age), but Hitboxes are huge just because they're assuming they need to be. Hitbox is a fighting game keyboard trying to pretend it's a fight stick. Micro is a fighting game keyboard that owns it and leans into how cool that can be. The whole "don't rest your hands, use piano posture" is less important for this controller because it isn't stupidly large so if you're resting your hands it's on your desk or your lap and is much more natural. Anyway good luck and I hope you enjoy it.
I saw some questions in the stream that I can answer:
1. Is it 3d printed? No, the body is cut from some kind of big sheet of industrial plastic with a textured layer on top, which is then mitered out to make room for the buttons and internals. The thing is basically a solid chunk of very durable plastic. I can try and twist it in my hands and it doesn't even creak. They ran over one with a truck and it was barely scratched, and it still works.
2. Is that the one Tokido has? Yes, he has one and has used it. I don't think it is his main controller.
3. How do the buttons feel? It uses linear mechanical keyboard switches, if that means anything to you. I prefer the action over Sanwa. The keycaps are 3d printed but it's a high quality process and they have a good feel.
4. Does it fall off if you place it on your legs? No, Jiyuna was slightly mistaken when he said it was light without the Heavy Metal Plate. The basic comes with a weighted plate, but not as thick as his. All told I think the basic version is like 2 lbs and with the Heavy Metal Plate it's like 4 lbs. Either way it has a non-slick pad on the bottom that clings to fabric even better than desks, so it doesn't really go anywhere. You either have to sit with your legs together or kinda squeeze the edges between your legs, either way it works once you get comfortable with it.
Finally, I recommend the silencing pads available on their site. They raise the depressed profile of the caps slightly so its more level with the rest of the controller. Double tappers will definitely want that.
Hit the nail on the head exactly. I remember seeing a guy with a keyboard stick at Evo that was less bulky than some of these hit boxes
Hitbox user here. A super important part of first using one is using finger exercises to build up the finger/hand muscles that normally barely get any use. The plus side is that you can do these finger exercises even when you don't have the stick. I use to do them on my desk at work. Generally what you want to do is mimic the different special motions you'll be performing in the game of your choice, although mimicking the Tekken wave dash motion and hitbox KBD motion are great exercises even if you don't plan to play those games. The accuracy doesn't matter here, it's getting your hand use to the repetition of the different motions without getting fatigued and cramping up.
Also the D button that you had by default, personally I almost always hit it with my index. And hitting the jump button with your left thumb does come in handy when you want to IAD as I find hitting two buttons simultaneously (u+f in this case) easier with one hand than two. It also causes IAD to end up feeling almost identical to doing a normal dash.
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Damn, I just picked up one of these myself a day ago! I'm very impressed so far. And using a hitbox has been an adjustment but it doesn't feel nearly as alien as I thought it would be. My inputs are cleaner too (though it doesn't solve my bad habits!)
9:15 that's a familiar feeling for keyboard players. It has never gone away for me
I enjoy the feel of a joystick it’s definitely satisfying but I can see the clear advantage of hit box or lever less or button supremacy controllers
Also if you see this are the movement buttons too close to the action button for you they look so close and clusterphobic
I’ll never stop playing stick completely. But it’s nice to learn this too.
Strangely enough I went from pad to stick for Strive and it has done me wonders. Once I practiced to gain memory muscle, half circles became some of the easiest inputs.
Depending on the game, you can cheat the input on DP 623 motion with a real quick 33 (or 214 with a quick 11). This can be finicky though, and my preferred input is either hold 2 and double tap 1/6 depending on direction of DP needed, or hold 1/6 and double tap 2. Either one works for different situations/cancels.
8:00 i use my left hand to all the movement (left thumb to jump) and my right hand to the rest of the buttons, i dont know if its the most practical but is definitely intuitive to me, specially because im a pc player use to jump with the space bar, also, i use at least in strive:
P=Square
K=X
S=Triangle
HS=R1
so that way my most agile finger (index) controls the fastest buttons (A-B) and the rest fingers do the job for the chonky buttons
get the ultra heavy metal plate for it. It transforms the feel making it so sturdy and comfortable in the lap. Without it it kinda feels like it will slide around.
A little KOF music playing during the reveal, huh? A man of culture, I see.
I used to hate 360s on stick or pad, but on hitbox, it's so much easier. You just piano the left down right and then hit up and your normal button(s) at the same time. Super easy to do standing. Goldlewis was pretty strange to get used to on hitbox, but now that I'm used to him, I'm pretty sure I've got an advantage over stick players. For running double quarter circles, you can just hold forward and then (without letting go of forward) press and release down+back twice; this is the equivalent of sending the game forward, down, forward, down (since back and forward cancel out).
This always depends on how the game reads inputs, the SOCD cleaner on the controller, and older classic games tend to be more strict, especially for 360s.
Stick is still better for old games, I gotta admit. Still with practice you can get it work, the biggest struggle for button boxes is 360s in old ancient games.
@@chronology556 The stricter games are where hitbox shines even more. You only need the four cardinal directions to get an SPD in SF2, and it's way easier to do that with a hitbox.
@@gamelord12 doesn’t help me with Rock’s command throw in Garou. Just my 2 cents, but I don’t main 360 throw characters.
I would buy these if they were bluetooth for use with niche handheld PCs. Or if I didnt already have a hitbox
gorgeous controller. I love my hitbox and I strongly support anyone moving to an all button lol. the size on this is incredible.
easy dp for no street fighter games, hold forward, hold back, down, release back + button (need to think like you piano the other buttons with forward holded), easy 360 (or at least if the game requires 4 cardinals but not ordered), back, forward, down, up button.
for your hand pain you need to treat the hitbox as it was a keyboard, meaning your arm needs to form a 90 degree angle, if it lower you get muscle pain, if it higher you get muscle pain again, using in a desk is a great way to set up, if you want it to be on your lap like a arcade stick look for ways to make your legs higher, example us the legs or your chair to put your feet
I want one too! I already play a cheap hitbox knockoff but its really fun once you get it. I love the dash cheat cause its incredibly fast. I'm still holding out till the Ps5 version comes out cause I wanna finally enjoy Strive in 4k
I play Blazblue Central Fiction on a keyboard. I’ve wanted a hit box for a while but they’re really pricey.
Another thing you can try if taking it slow doesnt work is quitting stick cold turkey. I did that and after about a month of forcing myself to only play hitbox I felt comfortable. Now I play both.
The claw position really saves hands. Don't rest your palms on the surface bois
It looks really cool. Looking forward to seeing your progress with this project.
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At this point, I use basically everything for fun, wsadbox, stickless, fightpads, and stick. Out of all of them wsadbox's are probably my favorite because I started with keyboard then stick.
Wsad's are called mixboxes I believe.
@@theWIIISEguy I try to stay away from brand names for it, Mixbox is actually a company. Same reason I don't call it a hitbox so I say stickless or buttonbox. To be honest you could call them whatever as long as someone knows what your talking about.
You’re like me, but I don’t live in the U.S., and I cannot buy anything that’s 200$ or more without incurring tax and customs charges in the country, I live in.
I would love to have a Snackbox Micro and a WASD style controller to complete my stick. I still need a modern pad, though. I’m looking at Logitech F310 for pads, I play on PC.
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I thought about picking one up awhile ago. The thing is I don’t know if I want to go through the learning process again. It took me a little bit to get used to stick, and now the D-pad feels foreign to me. Not in terms of movement, because that’s solid, but things like getting a DP out every time. I find myself not letting go of forward (forward, down-forward), just sitting there punching or kicking the ground, and I’m thinking damn you act like you never used to play on controller. And to clarify, I’m talking about a standard D-Pad. I can use the Razer Raion just fine even though people complained about it dropping inputs. I never experienced this problem, because I don’t press down on the center. I do like how sleek that snack box is. It’ll definitely take some practice to get good with that thing I feel. I imagine things like air throw would be weird for me. I have always thrown with thumb + fore finger. I would have to get used to using fore+middle for that.
I built a stickless a few months ago and man the adjustment period is weird. It feels so, so good now though. My wrists are way happier than with a pad.
Get those hand stretches in! Don't strain yourself king
Looks clean for sure
As somebody who used hitbox for a couple years and switched back, will offer some ergonomic advice. This'll probably a little long. I switched back cuz characters I got into in certain games have like 632146 motions, which for me is easier on stick (Sol, Belial), and DP is way more consistent for me on stick. But I still think hitbox type controllers are great, maybe half circle motions being a little more difficult and sometimes DPs in a scramble can be sketchy(and good luck with 360 command grabs), but most motions are faster on hitbox.
Be very careful with getting TOO much of a claw position. It is the #1 way you can develop carpal tunnel syndrome. Even with an actual keyboard, always better to have to stretch your fingers a little for number keys rather than claw them too much for bottom row keys for safety's sake.
A regular hitbox has some bulk on the bottom like any controller, but I got into it cuz it was skinnier than most sticks. So it fit on my lap easier. Since that thing has no bulk, I recommend using that more towards the end of your lap. If it's too close you'll get carpal tunnel syndrome plus you'll have to kink your wrists to the side, which can hurt even worse. Keep your wrists as straight as possible to avoid damage. They actually make some hitboxes now where the atk buttons are angled out too, not just the direction buttons.
One other thing. Unless you are a piano player, you have no idea how much of a punk ass little bitch your left ring finger is, but as left or right it's a very important button. It will take time to develop the muscles in that finger, but it's critical to do so.
With the priority system (left/right cancel each other, up overrides down completely) there are some pretty dirty tricks for easy motions. DP? Hold fwd and immediately hit down+back and release back. Almost like a plink, but you only release one finger. Double fb supers? Hold fwd then quickly double tap down+back twice. Have to properly release back when you fwd for sonic boom motions so you don't cancel back to neutral at the end, but once you get the timing, those are way easy. Plus you can flash kick without even releasing the down button cuz up overrides it. And don't get me started on the advantages for fuzzy blocking. From crouching block you literally change to blocking overhead by just releasing the down button. IADs are crazy easy too.
Half circle motions are hard unless you really get good at releasing that back button when you fwd, and once you do they are much easier. Once your ring finger gets buffed, a lot of things will suddenly start to click and get way easier. I honestly think that small of a hitbox might not be that finger friendly, but after a couple months you'll know well enough to confirm or deny that for us. Oh and let Punk know he should try one, because it would be the only way he could teabag even faster than he already does.
as a consumer of this product lemme tell you this shit is fire definitely worth it, love the size super comfortable to use and light up buttons are amazing
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This video is just more proof why fighting games is the best genre 😘
Tower defense mobage actually looks pretty good.
Snackbox is 100% goated. They are kind of unreal good for the size, I couldn't believe how comfortable it was I thought it would be way too small but I was wrong!
I smashed my keyboard QWEASDZXC keys by doing 50-hit combos in Skullgirls so I can understand the appeal of a Hitbox controller
My rhythm game practice is finally gonna pay off
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Right thumb on jump is ok, but left is more optimal imo.
Minimizes right hand movement and leaves the right thumb available to hit the lower row if needed.
Another option for portability and performance are licensed Sega Saturn USB controllers. Best fightpad ever.
I tried to get used to stick but I really couldn't, 6 button controllers are my jam
I’ve peronally had two of those Saturn controllers break on me for the dpad specifically. I really wish the 8bitdo m30 worked on more consoles.
It's important to note that input shortcuts are not universal, rather, they are game dependent.
It all depends on how strict or lenient the game reads inputs.
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My thumb is always on X,pointer finger on square, middle finger on triangle, ring finger is a tossup based on games. Well on stick never used a hitbox before
I got giant ass strong man hands my fingers each have abs. Although that small controller may not be for players like myself, but it's cool as af that fighting game players are getting a nice variety of controllers. Might have to give the Hitbox a go though.
I was expecting this to be a troll video with a bluetooth keyboard or a gamecube controller or something. Jiyuna you disappoint me
I made the swap to the hitbox fairly easily because I used to play games like super meatboy on keyboard. The only thing I will say is that your inputs will be so precise that inputs will be missed because you do them too fast. I had to relearn the timing for tiger knees, but things like dp's have been way more precise.
Think of the up button as the jump button.
Yo! This might get lost, but, position wise, you can rest the outside of your palms, as long as you bring forward the box, and keep your wrists extended! Ofc, everyone is different, if it hurts, try a different position. There is NO reason leverless should hurt, or any controller for that matter.
(Personally I put it on my lap, closer to the knees, and lean back in the chair, making lots of room to keep my arms somewhat extended)
I play on stick cause its fun and emulates arcade experience.
When I started playing leverless controllers I didn't have much trouble swapping over because I formerly played keyboard haha
Definitely been wanting to pick up a micro for a while now, it'd be hella nice to have on me while I travel with my laptop or visiting friends who also like playing FGs
Welcome to the dark side Jiyuna
Seems interesting, would you recommend it for someone new to fighting games in general? I tried stick and I wasn't a fan of how movement felt, but I love arcade buttons so maybe this would work?
I think it's even better if you're coming to it without the muscle memory of a stick. And even moreso if you're used to playing pc games with keyboard + mouse.
If you’re new it’s the perfect time.
It'll probably feel awkward for a bit. I started on pad but it hurt my thumbs, so I switched to hitbox and it felt awkward to jump/block/dash (movement in general), then I switched to stick for a while, but I got a lot of miss inputs. I ended up switching back to hitbox for Strive and put in the time to get used to it. It's definitely my favorite of the 3 now that I'm comfortable on it. But now I use a different controller for every game I play ;_:
This looks really appealing as a FGC newbie who's only played pad. I'm a pianist so that hand position looks incredibly comfy, albeit a bit crowded. 200 dollars though..
I knew it was good since I played Rise of the Robots on keyboard long time ago.
200$? Nah, I'mma stick to my 8bitdo.
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This might suit me better. I like stick, but I'm used to playing fighting games on keyboard. Only switched because of compatibility issues with PS4 games. Snackbox or hitbox looks like a good compromise
you wont regret it
Yeah I've been waiting a long time for sticks to become sensibly sized devices instead of a 16 wheeler control panel.
I expected pads to come out on top but with how fast they break and how companies seem like they're purposely avoiding the best dpad design (Neo Geo Pocket Color), custom size leverless really are the future.
I was expecting a family size Strive chocolate bar.
I expected him to make a fight stick out of his persona champ shorts honestly.
Been using a snackbox micro for a while now and I've been quite happy with it. I wish it used USB type C over micro a...but we can't have everything.
The most frustrating to me using a regular arcade stick was accidental inputs. Sometime trying to hit 22 I would accidentally hit 1 or 3. For the record I use a Seimitsu Ls-40. Obviously hitting 22 with a hitbox layout is stupid easy with no room for error. Certain inputs however can become more challenging compared to arcade stick but the precision of hitbox speaks for itself. Also interesting "shortcuts" exist. For a shoryken input would be 623, you could do that but I personally do 626 and blazblue would read it as 623.
Some people complain about hand cramps which I never got, but I did not practice with fighting games at first, I played Bloodstained Curse of the Moon and Octopath Traveler to get used to the hitbox layout.
That snackbox is making me want an ice cream sandwich :)
1. That position you described for where to position your hands is the same thing that they teach piano players. For anyone who might think the advice is unintuitive, it's actually super-legit.
2. When you think you've really mastered that thing, you should do a Goldlewis combo video to prove it, lol.
To make it more ergonomic for your wrist, just put it on top of some books, make it higher than your wrist so your wrist joint doesn't bend a lot. Also junk food keys is too close together compared to original hitbox, to make it easier just change the right hand button so you start with lower buttons while upper buttons as extra
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Stay relaxed and HOVER HANDS If you press your palm into your lap it'll cause strain over time.
my big problem was only circular inputs when I tried. You kinda have to find the fastest way you can input them in which the controller also registers them. I only got used to stick back in the marvel3 days because you just couldn't play any air dasher without a stick at a competitive level. So I'm hoping the same doesn't happen again with the hitbox lol.
This is basically an admission from the top of thw food chain that keyboards were superior controllers to sticks, i knew i was right
Already have a hitbox (and a junkbox as well), but these look damn nice. Would have to try one out before droppin another 2 bills.
The youtube video which was a commercial for a thing was interrupted for a commercial for another thing, all by the same guy.
The meta.
The fact that you happened to upload this video on the same day I am supposed to get mine is just funny to me.
Lots of people getting them recently.
using a keyboard arrow keys for movement is the best imo
I’m also switching to Hitbox/Snackbox soon. I’ve been using stick for most of my life for fighting games and now My hands are killing me playing sometimes or long sets. I can’t wait to try it.
That pain is called aging
Here I am still trying to learn stick