@@masemaxwell7311 what mobility? Until BT, you are gonna be spamming Steady Shot macro whenever you're not refreshing Hunter's Mark. PvP is barely any different. It's a lot of fun though.
This is why they should make atleast a few fresh servers, for people who dont want 2 play with all the people who bought gold etc. Just a fresh economy etc
I enjoy classic a lot but Blizzs biggest fuck up by far is the server populations and rampant botting. It's way too annoying to actually farm mats for consumes. Seems like it's gonna be 10x worse in BC
Adam G farming for raid consumables will actually get a ton easier even with rampant bots because you won’t use near as many as you do now. That being said I’d love for the bots to be gone.
Every video showcasing Lionheart Executioner and forgetting about Stormherald that was waaaaay better lol. Noone played Arms in PvE and Dragonmaw was awesome in both PvP and PvE too
@@Lookatzack Hahahhahaha i see u didnt play druid, u just watched some shitty ass tutorials. the only good spec is the resto druid, but priests or shamans always did get prio on items so druid was and is treated as 2nd grade class.
Who would've thought that a 2004 game played by 2020 mindset players with all the current resources will not be the same as the nostalgia ridden "old days"
the more i think about it, the more i like the idea of fresh TBC 1) it will benefit the alliance (hence, benefit faction balance) since shamans are needed for raids, and horde shamans are 60 and alliance shamans are lvl 1. same applies, to a lesser extent, to horde and paladins. 2) fresh TBC you fix the gold problem, the economy stays healthy and you ensure every character will have flying mounts week 1. 3) fresh TBC more or less ensures TBC leveling, particularly hellfire peninsula, won't be a complete clusterfuck. remember classic launch? nearly unplayable, even with layering. and that was 8 races split among 6 zones. HFP is the entirety of azeroth in a single zone. 4) gives people the chance to reroll fresh, and adjust to the TBC meta accordingly. (AKA, less rogues and warriors) of course, all of this requires the community, and especially content creators, to pitch in the idea to blizzard, and to use their influence to learn from the mistakes that made classic not as enjoyable as it could have been.
The problem is tho u end up with 90% overall horde population and 5 hour bg queue times each season to get honor gear as horde. Alliance really get fucked in tbc unless you are a mega sweaty tryhard guild with a complete roster already, or if youre mega casual and just dont care.
@@jonashworth3827 i would have thought so but i have been reading upon the racials and itemization and the truth is that both factions are more balanced in TBC. i think in horde, only orcs get somewhat buffed, meanwhile in the alliance, gnomes get mega buffed, humans are extremely good with reputation, draenei are better for raiding than blood elves, you get chastise for alliance priests, buffed star shards, etc. i truly think the alliance and horde stand more or less on equal footing, but it's up to the community and content creators to make the case for it. you have to change the mentality of "alliance sucks in tbc, lets roll horde". i seriously think that fresh TBC is net positive for the alliance. that way they get to level shamans at the same pace as the horde, which are crucial for raiding. if you don't do it fresh, alliance will be left without shammans at the start of the expansion.
@@Zanzibawrr so innthenpast, every tbc private server has struggled with a major population imbalance and its always horde favored, and its for arena reasons, its the pvp expansion. People will want to have more pvp minded players to play with, and better racials, they will certainly go horde. In the past private servers had to do bonuses for the qlliqnce players, ive seen all of this on a single server and it STILL ended up 3/4 horde. X5 xp and leveling from 1, x5 xp for alliance only. X2 professions from alliance, free level 40 mount, free epic mount, and free basic flying mount. Instant bg queues cus ur underpopulated faction, ive even seen gold bonuses.
@@jonashworth3827 The private server crowd is in no way representative for the people playing official WoW. The huge amount of casuals who make up the backbone of every live server would never even consider playing on them. People with no interest in PVP will be rolling or continuing on Alliance in droves and make lots and los of shamans like they did in the day of original TBC.
I cleared one quarter in naxx in 2006... in classic were storming trough mc/bwl/aq40 in one raid night,in vanilla we struggled to clear bwl and aq40 in one raidnight... we gonna crush naxx40
@@kiirbstomp Making alts mostly. With my intentionally casual leveling speed it will take a lot of time to level all classes. And by the time I level all classes, I will probably have the urge to start all over again.
Fresh would make so many people quit. People didn't put all this work into their characters to lose them like you would on pservers. However, I think removing gold and boe items should be done and people would deal with that much better. I make like 2k gold a week in classic doing nothing really but I know how badly that gold will affect tbc. It will trivialize it big time.
@@jimmyandersson9938 it will make the game way easier. People will have epic flying, full crafted gear, etc within a few days. All the raid content will be even easier because of everyone with the bis crafted gear and tons of gold for consumes and things. It will trivialize tbc so bad.
@@JoshLineberry people will have epic flying no mather what, even if you start at lvl 60 with 0 gold, you'll have 2-3k by the time you hit 70. Then you can easily farm the rest within a week. The 2-3 pieces of pre raid bis gear you can craft wont make a big difference, but sure it will help abit. And once T5 is released the items gets obsolete. There are no big consumes in tbc to use like i classic, sure the flasks might cost some but thats basically the only thing you can use, the food / oil are so minor they arent even worth mention. In general, there's little advantages you can buy with gold, if you want to get stronger you need to do Arena / raiding just like everbody else. Only time you need huge stockpiles of gold are when swp releases, the recpipes dropped there and mats will cost a fortune. But by that time poeple will have tons of gold regardless if they cant bring any from vanilla.
yeah, but then you can farm them alone. In TBC i had a feral druid as a twink. With bluegear from instances i could farm scholomance on my own for dark runes up to the endboss for disenchanting the blues into shards (the only hard boss was rattlegore but you could run up the stairs an jump down the holes on the side of the room and heal yourself up in the meantime).
This idea that you need to farm for months to prepare for the next content patch seems insane to me, the resources can be farmed then as they can be farmed now, the only purpose is to try to scam gold buyers out of their botted gold with ridiculous prices when the content patch drops. The economy outside of a few known resources like Tier 3 mats is completely based on how many bots are on your server.
calling it now, if they let us keep our characters they wont let us transfer over gold and only copy over BoP items. Its the only way TBC wont be ruined by the classic market
They would never be this stupid. They are well aware, that far far more people won't bother with TBC when all their gold and mats from Classic won't carry over than the few like you who think it affects them in any way when everybody has fast flying right away.
I really hope only things like mounts or vanity pets transfer over. I havent logged in outside of raid times in months and probably wont go TBC if everyone going in is rich af with epic flyers day 1
when you go from 60-70 you earn alot of gold by just questing, so even if you start leveling tbc with 500 gold, you will have 2-3k when you hit 70, and you can easily farm the rest within a week and be able to afford epic flying. So in the end, does it really mather that much if players get epic flying when they hit 70 or get it 1-2 week after?
Yep. I make like 2k a week in classic doing nothing really 😂😂 all that gold will trivialize tbc. I really hope they don't allow gold or boe items to transfer over.
They would never be this stupid. They are well aware, that far far more people won't bother with TBC when all their gold and mats from Classic won't carry over than the few like you who think it affects them in any way when everybody has fast flying right away. Srsly. How does it affect you?
@@Tokru86 it affects everything in the game bub. If you don't see how, you need to really think about it more. I make like 2k gold a week in classic basically doing nothing and I know what all that gold will do. Tbc is already fairly short compared to classic with just 10 levels and raids that are mainly open at the very start of the expansion. All the extra gold, epic flying for even faster farming and gold day one of tbc, all the prebis crafted gear and weapons like stormherald will absolutely destroy the game.
On pserver where bots weren't as rampant prices would skyrocket in naxx. Classic is full of bots so it's possible that if a majority of normal players quit the price of consumables may tank
i would definitely want a fresh TBC server to play on. let blizzard open servers that allow for character transfers from classic, but i'm not interested in that... or at least allow transfers without transferring gold or bag inventory as economy will suffer greatly in TBC otherwise
@@notme2966 after all this time you spent on classic, you still aren't convinced that the game has been figured out and that the same rules do not apply as they did 13-15 years ago? having a gold cap right now on classic (or over 50k) is normal, as well as characters who hoard materials that will be of value when TBC comes out. such preparations were never possible during the original. majority of people didn't even have their epic mounts when TBC came out, but the way things are on classic, they can buy epic flying mounts for their entire account of 9-10 characters. i've said it in wille's other videos too: releasing TBC as it was released originally will (100%) be its downfall. changes HAVE TO be made, especially regarding starting content (having ONLY T4 on start, without T5 and T6) as well as doing something to balance factions.
@John Gonzalez how am i overthinking it when i've played on private servers since cataclysm launched on retail? gold has a much higher meaning in TBC than it has in vanilla. that is a fact. you can gear your character fully, with the items that are better than the T4 if you have that sum of gold. these items aren't cheap, as a matter of fact, people had to farm primals for a very long time before they could craft the gear. oh and, i after WOTLK, i never actually played retail. i even got disgusted by classic as i dislike vanilla. currently i'm not even playing the game, not even on a private server, as the only option is atlantiss' karazhan, and they ruined it completely by releasing T5 at start, "because that's how it was originally". needless to say, many people left the game already, even though the server has no cash shop. i don't care about vanilla, but i sincerely want TBC to succeed, because i know where the expansion's problems lie and what impact it will have on the general game play.
@@Quitarstudent not only that, but Mount Hyjal (Tier 6 instance) was also there at the start. originally, this has worked decently well because attunements prevented people from entering higher tier instances, HOWEVER, the game has been completely and entirely figured out and such system doesn't work anymore. and opening T5 on start has some very serious consequences. 1) it creates a huge gap between players who have a lot of time on their hands vs those who don't. 2) PVP will be dead. T5 gear is vastly superior to arena season 1 gear, which was available at the start. season 1 gear is T4 equivalent. the next phase would unlock Black Temple and the entire T6 gear, while for PVP it would unlock season 2 gear, which is T5 equivalent and not worth even considering. 3) it will be impossible for you to find a raiding guild that raids LESS than 3 days a week. if T5 is available on start, after progressing into T5, you'll be raiding AT LEAST 5 days a week for 4 hours a day. you might think that this is what you want, but i it's far from how you're imagining it. 4) expansion will get very stale very soon. this was also proven on private servers, where people quit just months after BT release you can see it for yourselves on private servers - like Atlantiss' Karazhan, which is still on T4+T5 content. the pvp is completely dead, you cannot find a pure T4 raiding guild or a guild that raids less than 3x a week (less than 12 hours a week) and people are leaving on daily basis, despite this being the best TBC private server.
id assume that good random items for paladins and shamans will increase before tbc since either way those classes have to be leveled from 1 and people will minmax that stuff obviously
I looked up the tbc pre raid bis for priest. Its making me consider even bothering to farm the mats for t3. If I can bring gold over it would be better spent on tbc crafted gear over classic t3.
Thanks for the prospecting footage! I did not know you could get several Vanilla gems per prospect. Does TBC green gems also have a chance to be prospected from Thorium Ore, as some databases claim? And do you happen to know the drop chance for these, and for getting 2 Vanilla gems? And do they share loot table?
Considering this is an official realm, not a private server anything except direct progression to the next expansion with items and gold intact would be a slap to the face of anyone who invested time and effort into their character, being asked to throw away that character and reroll is even worse. It's not like they do that in retail just because some of the population aren't rich or didn't put in the effort to be ready for the next expansion, why punish those who prepare? If they want to deal with bots and all their associated problems they should add the wow token into the game, beef up their security and hire more GMs to keep an eye on hotspots like Azshara, ZG boosts and DM instead of pissing off the players.
Drums of wars are not BiS raid Consumable all of TBC. It was used in Sunwell and thats it. Gem having meta slots, engineering gloves/cloak, etc are better early game
Option to carry over existing characters and keeping everything would be the option I would opt for personally. Are people going to re roll every expansion if they wish to continue playing!?
just wait til the masses who insist on playing shadowlands find out how grindtastic it is and overcomplicated and convoluted....the Classic servers and Classic TBC servers will be packed...and when Wrath drops they'll start making real money again.
@@bencemajsa5822 lol, the expansion that brought just that; Cataclysm, subscriptions plummeted and it gave them their own destruction...Raid Finder. LMAO
@Z ROME Retail is home to the worst gamers. It went from being about guilds and communities to which 5 man can clear the most difficult Mythics best. They tried to make an established MMORPG that proved its love for Classic into an ARPG...subscriptions to Retail are what? I see people selling runs for real money and Blizzard doing nothing about it, there's no need for skill, it's all about who you can pay to get you geared. I don't see anyone doing that where we're at in Classic. Must suck to have to be social and have skills to acquire your own gear? That why you're on Retail? rofl Enjoy the most downvoted expac yet. :D
The market will completely crash, maybe outside of mining materials for gem prospecting as people stockpile those. You really don't need consumables/supplies to level up in TBC. Also people will start quitting after they beat Naxx.
I honestly hope that i get to keep my char for TBC. Because that would also mean that I get to keep it from TBC to WOTLK, and I need a certain ring from TBC in my quest to show everyone that warlock are indeed raidtanks in wotlk (The Kara Rep tank ring with insane armor values).
@John Gonzalez "Dude they aren’t going to wipe character progress lmfao that’s just idiotic and stupid to think" Or what blizzard thought in the survei they published. 2 Options where: Create a new character at lvl 58. Create a new character at lvl 1.
@@krugec23 "it will be 2021,no way blizzard will expect players to level FRESH chars with classic/tbc xp gain rates and quest system" Survey by blizzard: (Choose one of the options) 1) Continue the current character with the option to transfer to a server that does not progress to TBC. 2) Continue the current character on a Classic server with the option to transfer to a TBC server. 3) Start a new character from lvl 58. 4) Start a new character from lvl 1. 5) None of the above
The options in the survey were obviously only there to give them a confirmation on what option not to choose. Sadly they probably won't ever publish the results but they definitely won't be anywhere near what the small minority of the "gold is bad" crowd wants.
So if blizzard decide not to take our characters from WoW Classic into TBC, my guess/hope would be that they would release TBC pre-patch for like 3-4months (no Outlands) and allow you to level your characters to 60 (with all the TBC changes, like nerf to XP and access to BE and dreanei) which would hopefully get everyone on a somewhat level playing field. Added bonus, this could allow people to run Classic raids to get some epics before going through the dark portal and allow for the pre-patch event.
anything that resets current progress will make tons of players not even bother with tbc, i know i will, the last fking thing u want is to redo content youve been doing for 2 years from scratch /(even though there are individuals that like reseting servers, i guess these ppl never do reputations or collect bis gears from raids, otherwise they would think twice about it)
@@Quitarstudent I get were you are coming from, as someone who collects gear and mounts too. However, most of this community is coming from the private server scene and they are very use to starting over again. I have also heard from people in my guild who can't wait for WoW Classic to restart and have a fresh go at the launch and phases again. I think there is a market for fresh start and would say it is the majority (not based anything more than my personal experience and the above mentioned private server players).
@@RuneyViolet my personal experience says the complete opposite though. We have 1, 2 maybe 3 people in our guild (2 raid teams) who ever played on private servers. We even have people who startet WoW with Classic. The overwhelming majority of them is strictly against things like server resets or fresh starts and I think they are a more likely representation of the (casual) playerbase than the private server crowd.
Aoe gets limited to 8 mobs in TBC. The only viable boosters will become paladins with consecration. but they can only boost to level 50. gets to hard for them at that point.
@@Lancemechanics So 2.2 just introduced a max dmg cap on X mobs, you could still hit more mobs but you would deal less dmg to each other mob. If the current pathing is still available you could still 1 pull mara but the issue is it would take longer to kill all the mobs due to the dmg cap.
Yeah now tank paladins will be the nr boosting class and overall aoe farming class in open world. Mages turn from nr 1 in classic to nr shit in tbc ;) minus for pvp and heroics .
If playing TBC means that I lose my current classic characters, I won't be playing tbc. The only way I'd end up playing tbc is if they copied my characters to tbc and I could still play classic if I wanted. I've already progressed through the expansions. I want to keep playing vanilla.
Lol we've been listening to the doomsayers (in their Doomsayer's Robe no doubt) talk about how the game would be dead in a few months, then say it is dying or will be dead by SL, now saying the economy will tank and everyone will have to start over from 0 for TBC. I found "The Solution to Doom" *sorry I'm terrible* is to simply enjoy the game and not worry about what *could happen months down the road. Many servers, and their economies, are still going very strong and people are still enjoying the game despite the bots and the inevitable release of TBC. 90% of what I post on AH sells within a couple hours of posting it, and I still see new guilds being made everyday and old guilds recruiting people. The game in my opinion is as strong as it was a year ago. I have a 60 mage on Bigglesworth, a 60 lock and a 47 druid on Whitemane. Horde or Alliance PvP or PvE there will always be an active server for what you're looking for.
I'm still hoping for them to release fresh servers with a pop cap of 2500 - 3000 for TBC. I don't want an economy that's beyond fucked before the game even launches and an unplayable game due to 10k people being in Hellfire Peninsula.
should try to find the correlation between corona virus lockdowns = more gold farming / selling / buying as WAYYY more gold would have been farmed during that time than expected
Umm visc legit cost most people 0 gold, sometimes they use a gnpp. As long as 5 of your raiders farm venom sacs (in LBRS) for maybe 45mins you can log off on an alt and then trade them when you are on him. They have no cooldown and they can dispel the poison. Couple that with about 10-15 people having sappers and the rest having a way to deal frost damage and that fight is easy.
Honestly I think it's gonna be fine. There are so many people on classic who just don't give a shit about TBC that they will just run the economy on their own even if everyone else is in TBC prep mode. And they'll keep doing that even at TBC launch, though server populations will take a massive hit.
@Livestream Fail you're literally an idiot 😂😂😂 I love classic/vanilla and have probably done way more in it than you ever will but tbc is just all around better. I will guarantee 99% of the people that played classic will move on to tbc + a ton more will join for tbc. I've got 6 60s in classic, 5 toons over 50, and around 30 over level 40 but I know how this will work out.
the issue is that with the youtube, and forums just forming in Vanilla wow a lot of the grinding spots we use today had very few people knowing about it thus you had way less gold overall and most of your gold was used to buy enchants/consumes. Now-a-days having 1K is being casual while others have 10-30K without really trying.
@@brieucferaud1037 I have heard this before, but havent found any naxx items yet that are better than HC dungeons. I looked at for example soulseeker from KT, it gives 126 spelldmg while terrok shadowstaff from sethek halls gives 168. Most items I compared have similiar differences, could you give me any examples where naxx items are better?
so recently i played on tbc privet server, was a tailor ( was server 1st max tailor) (WOTLK cliant so had achievements ) and i made bag with neatherweave bags... while lvling i spamed chat WTB COD neatherweave. and i sold each bag 25g ea ( probably could had gone 50g ea ) but 1st 3 days i mage close to 10k gold until market forced them to 7-10g ea. my little input and food for thought.
netherweave is 16 slot imbued one is 18, everyone has at least 16 slot bags now, they are selling for 15g +--, i doubt they will have better price and gigantugue bags are afaik 1800g from vendor (fixed price) for 22slot bag
@@Quitarstudent i guess that makes ecence , when i played the privet server , it was a fresh server so everyone level 1-70 therefor theres werent alot bags outthere and people were buying myn up for them selfs /bank / and bank alts ... yeh probably wont be as profitable.... what else ive done that might actaully work is tailoring CDs.. i had made 6 tailoring alts on TBC and had them all speced into Primal monncloth and pumpe them out since every healer needed them for Whitemend set and mooncloth set.
Honestly I was so against having to start over, but at this point I'm starting to feel it might be best. I'm highly worried about the faction imbalance if that happens though.
Fresh, not a chance. Gold and boe item wipe would do wonders though. Fresh will make a lot of people quit. Wow is about character progression. People don't play pservers because they will lose their work. Blizzard moving characters on and not losing their work is exactly why people play classic over pservers.
Been doing that each week by storing them on my alt and pack him at AQ40 before raid day. So much cheaper for the guild of mine plus I have 2 paid sub accounts to boost my own toons.
WillE, love the content. Wanted your thoughts on this. I got caught between having to take a break and getting caught up on BFA, Classic kept getting pushed to the side. I ended up leveling to 40 on both the Alliance and Horde. I'm super excited for TBC Classic, that's when I started my WoW playing, on TBC release day. Would you suggest pushing to 60 on Classic or waiting to push fresh on TBC? Not much left for me at this point on Classic other than the leveling experience this late in the game.
I mean there is still plenty of classic left u can still raid and have fun, probably even more than before since u have way more stuff to do than just repeating Molten Core for months like it was in phase 1/2. Classic is not like retail in a sense that only current raid counts, for new characters every raid (and even dungeons) still counts because of how gear progression and loot scarcity works. Also leveling is really stale in Classic, many people say that Vanilla leveling is the best part of it but i strongly disagree and i leveled 5 level 60 characters. Mostly because of how bad and different gear before level 60 is missing completely critical stats like hit, crit, healing power and spell power that are just completely changing how ur character plays. Endgame is definitely the strongest part, especially doing dungeons first time around can be really fun, raids can get pretty boring when u repeat them so many times and aren't really into parsing but they definitely would be fun for few months. So i would really suggest finishing up leveling and giving endgame a go.
If given the chance I believe very few alliance player will move to a pvp server. With the 2 new races the gap of pvp based races for horde only increase. So unless Blizzard is willing to do a lot of changes for TBC pvp servers will be very dead on alliance side.
I could currently buy all my level 60 epic flying mounts in TBC, with more than enough gold left to buy everything I need to gear them and level their professions. I really want fresh TBC servers where everyone starts level 1 but if this is not an option, I hope Blizzard limits the gold you can carry over. Having this much gold defeats half of the purpose of playing through TBC .. What is left to achieve when you can obtain day one what is supposed to be something you need to work toward for several weeks
@@JohnSmith-jb2jf Yea, can't wait for worldbuffs to be a thing of the past, such a hazzle with all the retarded spergers dispelling every god damn week.
Alchemy specialties giving 1-4 bonus flasks, pots and transmutes also massively reduces their prices and supplies, making them more affordable for everyone.
even in wotlk dist flasks are decent. In wrath my holy paladin with 60k mana just spamming on saurfang and beaconing the mark.. im sure they'll still be sought after when classic is over for int hungry players
Meh, Classic is nothing like Vanilla, lol. I only started in late BC and i even then prices were lower on rare mats than AH prices are now on Classic......
1 guild in a 100 was killing cthun/kel thuzad in vanilla. So raid mats were only in demand for the hardcore raiders, i shit you not 70% of the playerbase was stuck on razorgore/vael until bc on alot of servers. If you weren’t on medivh, illidan or a couple of others there was alot of guilds progressing. And if you didn’t have a top tier guild on your server to learn from you had to rely on wowpedia/wiki which was shoddy in the beginning.
The people that are still playing naxx classic after they are full geared and just for parses are the hardcore pserver type... the type that have been stockpiling everything they would need for the entire game since P1
They haven't even announced TBC yet. And most of us that wanted Vanilla back aren't interested in going into TBC. If anything, I would prefer a reset of Classic. I played TBC, raided it hardcore, no interest here. If it is released, it would be content we didn't ask for, but I can understand the interest from the tourists.
I think they should make new TBC servers and leave the current classic servers for those who dont like TBC (maybe squash some low pop servers). Also i would restrict the transfer options, you can trasnfer only 2-3 characters, with limited amount of gold (idk like 100 g/char), u cannot transfer boe items only bop items (to deny the possiblity to transfer with 200 arcane crystal etc..). I would also give a 1 month playtime on these servers for ppl to level up shamans/paladins to 60 before the transfer/opening of the darkportal. This way you could play with your old character with all the naxx aq40 bwl gear you achieved, without letting ppl to stack up thousands of golds and manipulate the AH and/or isntant buy epic flying when the TBC starts. But i guess it wont happen as this solution would requirre additional implementations on the blizzard side :D
You should be able to take all your toons, that's what wow is about, but gold and boe items need a wipe for tbc. Those items and gold will trivialize tbc so much.
Any WillE video about "this may surge in price" so far resulted in "no change" or "price drop" on my server after the mentioned point (P4&P5). So interesting but useless for me. If you know that this items will be needed then everybody will farm and hold them, resulting in price increase just before the hit.
The economy is already ruined, GDKP runs are rampant and are flooding the market with gold that non of the players actually earn themselves. I have guildies doing alt runs for BWL/MC and coming out with over 1000g per run. People buying stacks of flasks on a whim, full consumes, paying to have all their alts boosted, etc. I seriously hope blizzard does not allow players to take all their gold into TBC.
Drums were nerfed in tbc. Literally the only use for classic items in tbc is preleveling professions as well as farming jewels with mining. Beyond that every single thing becomes obsolete.
> Drums were nerfed in tbc They were nerfed in WotlK when they made them ineffective for lvl 80 chars. In TBC drums had their prime in Sunwell, particurally in M'uru fight.
Why the fuck does he keep saying we'll go to tbc it has never been confirmed to my knowledge that we'll get tbc they said they would "think about it" but i don't remember ever seeing any confirmation of tbc.
Wel... since T3 sets require huge amount of Arcane Crystals, Arcane Bars, Mooncloth and especially Cured Rugged Hide will get much more expensive I guess.
I already got all the things i need to buy 5/8, won't be getting 9/9 since 3 pieces are utter shit for mages and the ring is a drop anyway so will wear 6/9 for the 6-piece bonus (most likely, unless the dmg proc is shit, which ppl are debating atm). It's honestly not all that much atm, and i think a lot of players already got what they need.
So many things can ruin tbc the biggest is if they make you keep your chrs from vanilla. This will only reduce the numbers of players that will start wow again.
@@JoshLineberry if you do not want play from the lvl 1. Are you sure you even like the game. But they can just make servers for both and I think they will. Else they not gonne see my money.
@@Sxnderjyden that's a dumb question. I've already played from level 1 to 40+ around 60+ times in this game. I'm sure I do a lot more in it than you currently. However, wow is about character profession, not losing your character every expansion. If we wanted to do that, we would play on private servers.
@@JoshLineberry if this is true that most ppl want this guess i gonna stay away. And I quit classic because of bots. There was so many bots on my server that you was almost force to buy gold. Well for us that have a life outside wow aswell. Lets hope Blizzard wake up and hire GMs to overview all reports.
@@Sxnderjyden I do gdkp runs every week, 2 to 3 hours with the run and bids and it makes good gold. I made 477g on Sunday just from a bwl gdkp run. The MC run earlier in the day made 499g and then another bwl gdkp run Monday night made 799g for the raid.
I'm not even in a guild right now. I'm looking to maybe do a Naxx pub run or gdkp at some point and snag a single item. I'm not too keen on keeping going since, as a healer, I already have most of the cool items. Not like I would have a prayer at getting Atiesh or anything.
Most ppl don't care for Atiesh either since it's between 12-20 clears for a single one, the ones who are die-hard on getting one are the ones who wants to use it for the portal to Kara. It's quite sad that the only dps caster legendary until the later expansions where everyone got their own was such a useless item thanks to the time required to get a single one, and even then the stats aren't exactly mindblowing like they were on the Glaives in TBC for rogues and warriors, remember doing 3v3 arenas and 5v5 and was such a bad day to go up against glaives as a Warlock back then.
@Jenn Ro I khow exactly what you mean but everyone is on the mid maxing train and that on itself Brings those who just play for fun to do mid maxing to be able to show themselves. it's actully pretty sad how the whole Situation turned out to be. hopefully it don't turn out like this in tbc with WB and all gone.
Yup TBC patch flasks get a hard nerf. The current spellpower flask is stronger than the best flask in Wrath. The power gain we get from consumables is absolutely massive at the moment. Titans also drops from 1200 health to 400 I believe.
If they make us start new toons, 95% of horde will be blood elves.
An aoe silence. Why would you not?
pretty accurate
...and 95% of all players will be horde
wait till WOTLK, where 99% of the players will be HUMANS.
orcs are easy bis for pve, they basically have another trinket with their racial
you gotta up the difficulty on the hidden willes, easy find this time
I'll show *you* a hidden willie...😏
I think I suddenly set the bar too high for myself lol
PLEASE DO “WAS IT ANY GOOD THOUGH?” FOR TBC CLASSES OKAY? TIGHT
Spoiler: they were. All of them. Mages slightly less than previously, druids way more. series over.
@@booradley6832 his was it any good though series more pointed out what they were good at though which would be good going in to tbc
@@masemaxwell7311 play warlock
@@Robstrap nah prob gonna play hunter mobility is a big factor for me
@@masemaxwell7311 what mobility? Until BT, you are gonna be spamming Steady Shot macro whenever you're not refreshing Hunter's Mark.
PvP is barely any different. It's a lot of fun though.
I will never ever start a video without finding the Wille head
All those Gems i've been stockpiling will go to good use.
This is why they should make atleast a few fresh servers, for people who dont want 2 play with all the people who bought gold etc. Just a fresh economy etc
ummm u realize that ppl would be more incentivized to buy gold on fresh servers right?
If they force delete or force us to start over with new chars, I bet you will see a TON of people quit.
:
Make new servers. Keep classic it's own thing.
Ideally.
yes! and make everyone start with 0 or highly limited gold. None of this gold buying 100,000g nonsense and ruining the economy from the get go
I'm dreading TBC to be honest. The servers are way too over populated for how small the TBC zones are. Layering will have to be permanent.
yeah imagine Netherwing rep...
I enjoy classic a lot but Blizzs biggest fuck up by far is the server populations and rampant botting. It's way too annoying to actually farm mats for consumes. Seems like it's gonna be 10x worse in BC
Adam G farming for raid consumables will actually get a ton easier even with rampant bots because you won’t use near as many as you do now. That being said I’d love for the bots to be gone.
Every video showcasing Lionheart Executioner and forgetting about Stormherald that was waaaaay better lol. Noone played Arms in PvE and Dragonmaw was awesome in both PvP and PvE too
There’s gonna be a lot of druids in tbc
u mean paladins, shamans, warlocks hunters and druids
I just hate this, fucking noobs leveling now druids just becouse were getting a apology boost for whole of classic where we were worst class.
@@Klierowski druids get buffed up to the other classes level, nothing more
@@Lookatzack Hahahhahaha i see u didnt play druid, u just watched some shitty ass tutorials. the only good spec is the resto druid, but priests or shamans always did get prio on items so druid was and is treated as 2nd grade class.
@@Klierowski you clearly have never played with a decent feral druid
This is like meta gaming out of control. This doesn't resemble vanilla at all, its a game and culture around hardline meta gaming it seems.
Who would've thought that a 2004 game played by 2020 mindset players with all the current resources will not be the same as the nostalgia ridden "old days"
the more i think about it, the more i like the idea of fresh TBC
1) it will benefit the alliance (hence, benefit faction balance) since shamans are needed for raids, and horde shamans are 60 and alliance shamans are lvl 1. same applies, to a lesser extent, to horde and paladins.
2) fresh TBC you fix the gold problem, the economy stays healthy and you ensure every character will have flying mounts week 1.
3) fresh TBC more or less ensures TBC leveling, particularly hellfire peninsula, won't be a complete clusterfuck. remember classic launch? nearly unplayable, even with layering. and that was 8 races split among 6 zones. HFP is the entirety of azeroth in a single zone.
4) gives people the chance to reroll fresh, and adjust to the TBC meta accordingly. (AKA, less rogues and warriors)
of course, all of this requires the community, and especially content creators, to pitch in the idea to blizzard, and to use their influence to learn from the mistakes that made classic not as enjoyable as it could have been.
The problem is tho u end up with 90% overall horde population and 5 hour bg queue times each season to get honor gear as horde. Alliance really get fucked in tbc unless you are a mega sweaty tryhard guild with a complete roster already, or if youre mega casual and just dont care.
Not gonna happen.
@@jonashworth3827 i would have thought so but i have been reading upon the racials and itemization and the truth is that both factions are more balanced in TBC. i think in horde, only orcs get somewhat buffed, meanwhile in the alliance, gnomes get mega buffed, humans are extremely good with reputation, draenei are better for raiding than blood elves, you get chastise for alliance priests, buffed star shards, etc.
i truly think the alliance and horde stand more or less on equal footing, but it's up to the community and content creators to make the case for it. you have to change the mentality of "alliance sucks in tbc, lets roll horde".
i seriously think that fresh TBC is net positive for the alliance. that way they get to level shamans at the same pace as the horde, which are crucial for raiding. if you don't do it fresh, alliance will be left without shammans at the start of the expansion.
@@Zanzibawrr so innthenpast, every tbc private server has struggled with a major population imbalance and its always horde favored, and its for arena reasons, its the pvp expansion. People will want to have more pvp minded players to play with, and better racials, they will certainly go horde. In the past private servers had to do bonuses for the qlliqnce players, ive seen all of this on a single server and it STILL ended up 3/4 horde. X5 xp and leveling from 1, x5 xp for alliance only. X2 professions from alliance, free level 40 mount, free epic mount, and free basic flying mount. Instant bg queues cus ur underpopulated faction, ive even seen gold bonuses.
@@jonashworth3827 The private server crowd is in no way representative for the people playing official WoW. The huge amount of casuals who make up the backbone of every live server would never even consider playing on them. People with no interest in PVP will be rolling or continuing on Alliance in droves and make lots and los of shamans like they did in the day of original TBC.
I cleared one quarter in naxx in 2006...
in classic were storming trough mc/bwl/aq40 in one raid night,in vanilla we struggled to clear bwl and aq40 in one raidnight...
we gonna crush naxx40
to be honest, i personally want a fresh TBC server for exactly this case
I'm staying in Classic.
Like, rerolling fresh or walking around in your naxx gear with no future progression to look forward to?
@@kiirbstomp Making alts mostly. With my intentionally casual leveling speed it will take a lot of time to level all classes. And by the time I level all classes, I will probably have the urge to start all over again.
@@MartinWoad sounds terrible bro :D
i want completely new servers for BC, everyone going into tbc with 20k gold and 5 bank chars full of stuff will just kill the early game
This
how will it kill the game?
Fresh would make so many people quit. People didn't put all this work into their characters to lose them like you would on pservers. However, I think removing gold and boe items should be done and people would deal with that much better. I make like 2k gold a week in classic doing nothing really but I know how badly that gold will affect tbc. It will trivialize it big time.
@@jimmyandersson9938 it will make the game way easier. People will have epic flying, full crafted gear, etc within a few days. All the raid content will be even easier because of everyone with the bis crafted gear and tons of gold for consumes and things. It will trivialize tbc so bad.
@@JoshLineberry people will have epic flying no mather what, even if you start at lvl 60 with 0 gold, you'll have 2-3k by the time you hit 70. Then you can easily farm the rest within a week.
The 2-3 pieces of pre raid bis gear you can craft wont make a big difference, but sure it will help abit. And once T5 is released the items gets obsolete. There are no big consumes in tbc to use like i classic, sure the flasks might cost some but thats basically the only thing you can use, the food / oil are so minor they arent even worth mention. In general, there's little advantages you can buy with gold, if you want to get stronger you need to do Arena / raiding just like everbody else. Only time you need huge stockpiles of gold are when swp releases, the recpipes dropped there and mats will cost a fortune. But by that time poeple will have tons of gold regardless if they cant bring any from vanilla.
Don't forget about Dark Runes and Mana/Spell Oil. Those will still be in high usage in TBC.
yeah, but then you can farm them alone. In TBC i had a feral druid as a twink. With bluegear from instances i could farm scholomance on my own for dark runes up to the endboss for disenchanting the blues into shards (the only hard boss was rattlegore but you could run up the stairs an jump down the holes on the side of the room and heal yourself up in the meantime).
This idea that you need to farm for months to prepare for the next content patch seems insane to me, the resources can be farmed then as they can be farmed now, the only purpose is to try to scam gold buyers out of their botted gold with ridiculous prices when the content patch drops. The economy outside of a few known resources like Tier 3 mats is completely based on how many bots are on your server.
calling it now, if they let us keep our characters they wont let us transfer over gold and only copy over BoP items. Its the only way TBC wont be ruined by the classic market
They would never be this stupid. They are well aware, that far far more people won't bother with TBC when all their gold and mats from Classic won't carry over than the few like you who think it affects them in any way when everybody has fast flying right away.
@@Tokru86 You have that reversed.
I really hope only things like mounts or vanity pets transfer over. I havent logged in outside of raid times in months and probably wont go TBC if everyone going in is rich af with epic flyers day 1
when you go from 60-70 you earn alot of gold by just questing, so even if you start leveling tbc with 500 gold, you will have 2-3k when you hit 70, and you can easily farm the rest within a week and be able to afford epic flying. So in the end, does it really mather that much if players get epic flying when they hit 70 or get it 1-2 week after?
Yep. I make like 2k a week in classic doing nothing really 😂😂 all that gold will trivialize tbc. I really hope they don't allow gold or boe items to transfer over.
They would never be this stupid. They are well aware, that far far more people won't bother with TBC when all their gold and mats from Classic won't carry over than the few like you who think it affects them in any way when everybody has fast flying right away.
Srsly. How does it affect you?
@@Tokru86 it affects everything in the game bub. If you don't see how, you need to really think about it more. I make like 2k gold a week in classic basically doing nothing and I know what all that gold will do. Tbc is already fairly short compared to classic with just 10 levels and raids that are mainly open at the very start of the expansion. All the extra gold, epic flying for even faster farming and gold day one of tbc, all the prebis crafted gear and weapons like stormherald will absolutely destroy the game.
You have to make tbc slow and hard, not super fast and easy like classic. People are losing interest with that type of classic game.
On pserver where bots weren't as rampant prices would skyrocket in naxx. Classic is full of bots so it's possible that if a majority of normal players quit the price of consumables may tank
yeah as a holy priest i used distilled wisdom throughout tbc and they were even cheaper at than tbc flasks/mats on my server anyway
How are the going to start TBC? Are we all going to do the dark portal event? Or something else?
i would definitely want a fresh TBC server to play on. let blizzard open servers that allow for character transfers from classic, but i'm not interested in that... or at least allow transfers without transferring gold or bag inventory as economy will suffer greatly in TBC otherwise
You mean it would be exactly how it was back in 2007?
@@notme2966 after all this time you spent on classic, you still aren't convinced that the game has been figured out and that the same rules do not apply as they did 13-15 years ago? having a gold cap right now on classic (or over 50k) is normal, as well as characters who hoard materials that will be of value when TBC comes out. such preparations were never possible during the original. majority of people didn't even have their epic mounts when TBC came out, but the way things are on classic, they can buy epic flying mounts for their entire account of 9-10 characters. i've said it in wille's other videos too: releasing TBC as it was released originally will (100%) be its downfall. changes HAVE TO be made, especially regarding starting content (having ONLY T4 on start, without T5 and T6) as well as doing something to balance factions.
@@LikeVenom18 ssc and tempest keep were in the game right after launch of tbc?
@John Gonzalez how am i overthinking it when i've played on private servers since cataclysm launched on retail? gold has a much higher meaning in TBC than it has in vanilla. that is a fact. you can gear your character fully, with the items that are better than the T4 if you have that sum of gold. these items aren't cheap, as a matter of fact, people had to farm primals for a very long time before they could craft the gear. oh and, i after WOTLK, i never actually played retail. i even got disgusted by classic as i dislike vanilla. currently i'm not even playing the game, not even on a private server, as the only option is atlantiss' karazhan, and they ruined it completely by releasing T5 at start, "because that's how it was originally". needless to say, many people left the game already, even though the server has no cash shop. i don't care about vanilla, but i sincerely want TBC to succeed, because i know where the expansion's problems lie and what impact it will have on the general game play.
@@Quitarstudent not only that, but Mount Hyjal (Tier 6 instance) was also there at the start. originally, this has worked decently well because attunements prevented people from entering higher tier instances, HOWEVER, the game has been completely and entirely figured out and such system doesn't work anymore. and opening T5 on start has some very serious consequences.
1) it creates a huge gap between players who have a lot of time on their hands vs those who don't.
2) PVP will be dead. T5 gear is vastly superior to arena season 1 gear, which was available at the start. season 1 gear is T4 equivalent. the next phase would unlock Black Temple and the entire T6 gear, while for PVP it would unlock season 2 gear, which is T5 equivalent and not worth even considering.
3) it will be impossible for you to find a raiding guild that raids LESS than 3 days a week. if T5 is available on start, after progressing into T5, you'll be raiding AT LEAST 5 days a week for 4 hours a day. you might think that this is what you want, but i it's far from how you're imagining it.
4) expansion will get very stale very soon. this was also proven on private servers, where people quit just months after BT release
you can see it for yourselves on private servers - like Atlantiss' Karazhan, which is still on T4+T5 content. the pvp is completely dead, you cannot find a pure T4 raiding guild or a guild that raids less than 3x a week (less than 12 hours a week) and people are leaving on daily basis, despite this being the best TBC private server.
Until tbc is announced and especially around naxx prices will keep being high but after a while demand will drop and prices will crash for sure.
id assume that good random items for paladins and shamans will increase before tbc since either way those classes have to be leveled from 1 and people will minmax that stuff obviously
unless the mages will stop their own leveling to offer boosts*
Assuming the votes on TBC interest questionnaire aren't for another start at 0 run.
That won't happen.
@@JoshLineberry Very unlikely yes. I'm merely playing devils advocate for an option Blizzard gave.
Lotus will go down, since they cease to be a rare spawn of only one per zone.
I looked up the tbc pre raid bis for priest. Its making me consider even bothering to farm the mats for t3. If I can bring gold over it would be better spent on tbc crafted gear over classic t3.
110% accurate.
Tier 3 is not even bis for priests in classic though?
@@MikeTall88 Fashion is BIS.
WoW Standard rotation where the each year fresh expansion with fresh economy and ofc for those who want to do retail can do so.
Thanks for the prospecting footage! I did not know you could get several Vanilla gems per prospect. Does TBC green gems also have a chance to be prospected from Thorium Ore, as some databases claim? And do you happen to know the drop chance for these, and for getting 2 Vanilla gems? And do they share loot table?
Considering this is an official realm, not a private server anything except direct progression to the next expansion with items and gold intact would be a slap to the face of anyone who invested time and effort into their character, being asked to throw away that character and reroll is even worse.
It's not like they do that in retail just because some of the population aren't rich or didn't put in the effort to be ready for the next expansion, why punish those who prepare?
If they want to deal with bots and all their associated problems they should add the wow token into the game, beef up their security and hire more GMs to keep an eye on hotspots like Azshara, ZG boosts and DM instead of pissing off the players.
Drums of wars are not BiS raid Consumable all of TBC. It was used in Sunwell and thats it. Gem having meta slots, engineering gloves/cloak, etc are better early game
Hey, thanks WillE.
Option to carry over existing characters and keeping everything would be the option I would opt for personally. Are people going to re roll every expansion if they wish to continue playing!?
Wille: "Is the economy in classic about to hit a wall?"
Me: " I dunno, maybe, stop asking me open ended questions... Fuck"
just wait til the masses who insist on playing shadowlands find out how grindtastic it is and overcomplicated and convoluted....the Classic servers and Classic TBC servers will be packed...and when Wrath drops they'll start making real money again.
And when cata comes ppl will quit and never look back
@@bencemajsa5822 lol, the expansion that brought just that; Cataclysm, subscriptions plummeted and it gave them their own destruction...Raid Finder. LMAO
@@bencemajsa5822 not this time! Cata was amazing and a lot of people missed out. I don't think that will happen this time.
@Z ROME Retail is home to the worst gamers. It went from being about guilds and communities to which 5 man can clear the most difficult Mythics best. They tried to make an established MMORPG that proved its love for Classic into an ARPG...subscriptions to Retail are what? I see people selling runs for real money and Blizzard doing nothing about it, there's no need for skill, it's all about who you can pay to get you geared. I don't see anyone doing that where we're at in Classic. Must suck to have to be social and have skills to acquire your own gear? That why you're on Retail? rofl Enjoy the most downvoted expac yet. :D
@@JoshLineberry Cata was one of my favorite xpacs, too bad it got tainted by over a year of Dragon Soul and the implementation of LFR
The market will completely crash, maybe outside of mining materials for gem prospecting as people stockpile those. You really don't need consumables/supplies to level up in TBC. Also people will start quitting after they beat Naxx.
He meant materials to level professions as there will be plenty new char and profession rerolls
Alchemy can use blindweed
And what to do with bg titles and mounts? Without transfer they'll lose 50% of players.
I won't be playing if you have to start at 0 again. I doubt that would ever happen.
@@JoshLineberry exactly. They won't be this stupid and piss off the by far larger part of the community.
Took 4 months, but it’s finally here!! BUY BUY BUY
I honestly hope that i get to keep my char for TBC.
Because that would also mean that I get to keep it from TBC to WOTLK, and I need a certain ring from TBC in my quest to show everyone that warlock are indeed raidtanks in wotlk (The Kara Rep tank ring with insane armor values).
it will be 2021,no way blizzard will expect players to level FRESH chars with classic/tbc xp gain rates and quest system
@John Gonzalez "Dude they aren’t going to wipe character progress lmfao that’s just idiotic and stupid to think"
Or what blizzard thought in the survei they published.
2 Options where:
Create a new character at lvl 58.
Create a new character at lvl 1.
@@krugec23 "it will be 2021,no way blizzard will expect players to level FRESH chars with classic/tbc xp gain rates and quest system"
Survey by blizzard: (Choose one of the options)
1) Continue the current character with the option to transfer to a server that does not progress to TBC.
2) Continue the current character on a Classic server with the option to transfer to a TBC server.
3) Start a new character from lvl 58.
4) Start a new character from lvl 1.
5) None of the above
Yeah, they won't start fresh.
The options in the survey were obviously only there to give them a confirmation on what option not to choose. Sadly they probably won't ever publish the results but they definitely won't be anywhere near what the small minority of the "gold is bad" crowd wants.
So if blizzard decide not to take our characters from WoW Classic into TBC, my guess/hope would be that they would release TBC pre-patch for like 3-4months (no Outlands) and allow you to level your characters to 60 (with all the TBC changes, like nerf to XP and access to BE and dreanei) which would hopefully get everyone on a somewhat level playing field. Added bonus, this could allow people to run Classic raids to get some epics before going through the dark portal and allow for the pre-patch event.
anything that resets current progress will make tons of players not even bother with tbc, i know i will, the last fking thing u want is to redo content youve been doing for 2 years from scratch /(even though there are individuals that like reseting servers, i guess these ppl never do reputations or collect bis gears from raids, otherwise they would think twice about it)
you can get to 60 in about 4 days if you try hard enough and that's just from questing too
@@Quitarstudent I get were you are coming from, as someone who collects gear and mounts too. However, most of this community is coming from the private server scene and they are very use to starting over again. I have also heard from people in my guild who can't wait for WoW Classic to restart and have a fresh go at the launch and phases again. I think there is a market for fresh start and would say it is the majority (not based anything more than my personal experience and the above mentioned private server players).
@@Elunvira True, but blizzard isn't going to give a week for those servers... It is more realistic that they would give it a couple of months.
@@RuneyViolet my personal experience says the complete opposite though. We have 1, 2 maybe 3 people in our guild (2 raid teams) who ever played on private servers. We even have people who startet WoW with Classic. The overwhelming majority of them is strictly against things like server resets or fresh starts and I think they are a more likely representation of the (casual) playerbase than the private server crowd.
Main question here: How will boosting change?
Aoe gets limited to 8 mobs in TBC. The only viable boosters will become paladins with consecration. but they can only boost to level 50. gets to hard for them at that point.
@@Lancemechanics So 2.2 just introduced a max dmg cap on X mobs, you could still hit more mobs but you would deal less dmg to each other mob. If the current pathing is still available you could still 1 pull mara but the issue is it would take longer to kill all the mobs due to the dmg cap.
You pay paladins instead of mages. Lul
Yeah now tank paladins will be the nr boosting class and overall aoe farming class in open world. Mages turn from nr 1 in classic to nr shit in tbc ;) minus for pvp and heroics .
@@jarlfisk Yup i love TBC. I'm a Warlock. Down with mages, those cute little freekills.
Raw money gold farms might become more popular again. ZG coins could go up as well with people using them to boost to 63 before going into outland.
how does that work?
You can do that up to 63? Are you sure??
If playing TBC means that I lose my current classic characters, I won't be playing tbc. The only way I'd end up playing tbc is if they copied my characters to tbc and I could still play classic if I wanted. I've already progressed through the expansions. I want to keep playing vanilla.
Lol we've been listening to the doomsayers (in their Doomsayer's Robe no doubt) talk about how the game would be dead in a few months, then say it is dying or will be dead by SL, now saying the economy will tank and everyone will have to start over from 0 for TBC.
I found "The Solution to Doom" *sorry I'm terrible* is to simply enjoy the game and not worry about what *could happen months down the road. Many servers, and their economies, are still going very strong and people are still enjoying the game despite the bots and the inevitable release of TBC. 90% of what I post on AH sells within a couple hours of posting it, and I still see new guilds being made everyday and old guilds recruiting people. The game in my opinion is as strong as it was a year ago.
I have a 60 mage on Bigglesworth, a 60 lock and a 47 druid on Whitemane. Horde or Alliance PvP or PvE there will always be an active server for what you're looking for.
Already prepped and ready for TBC
What did you mean when you said Blizzard nerfed Dire Maul East farm recently? Can't find any info on it.
I'm still hoping for them to release fresh servers with a pop cap of 2500 - 3000 for TBC.
I don't want an economy that's beyond fucked before the game even launches and an unplayable game due to 10k people being in Hellfire Peninsula.
It wont be unplayable, they will add layering zones.
Not happening.
Damn, I wasn't interested in TBC as a classic player, but now after your video I got the nostalgia that just can't wait for it...
Tbc is going to be amazing and it will blow classic out of the water on subs man.
@Brian Wrath is where the shit begun, for me at least :/
should try to find the correlation between corona virus lockdowns = more gold farming / selling / buying as WAYYY more gold would have been farmed during that time than expected
Lotta people quitting now and AQ wasn't hard, stopped flasking third week.
Umm visc legit cost most people 0 gold, sometimes they use a gnpp. As long as 5 of your raiders farm venom sacs (in LBRS) for maybe 45mins you can log off on an alt and then trade them when you are on him. They have no cooldown and they can dispel the poison. Couple that with about 10-15 people having sappers and the rest having a way to deal frost damage and that fight is easy.
Most people don't even do that strat
Idk why they wouldnt, it makes the fight super easy.
Bruh I thought everyone does this strat?
Honestly I think it's gonna be fine. There are so many people on classic who just don't give a shit about TBC that they will just run the economy on their own even if everyone else is in TBC prep mode. And they'll keep doing that even at TBC launch, though server populations will take a massive hit.
I think you're going to be in for a surprise. Classic is going to be dead once tbc comes out.
@Livestream Fail you're literally an idiot 😂😂😂 I love classic/vanilla and have probably done way more in it than you ever will but tbc is just all around better. I will guarantee 99% of the people that played classic will move on to tbc + a ton more will join for tbc. I've got 6 60s in classic, 5 toons over 50, and around 30 over level 40 but I know how this will work out.
im already sitting on a 0-300 JC and so are many of the people in classic
Did everyone reset to zero when TBC originally released? I’m grinding my first toon to 60 and I’d be gutted if it was all for naught
Nope it didn't :)
Lol no, several of our items are still BIS going into BC.
Dft, rejuv, thunderfury
the issue is that with the youtube, and forums just forming in Vanilla wow a lot of the grinding spots we use today had very few people knowing about it thus you had way less gold overall and most of your gold was used to buy enchants/consumes.
Now-a-days having 1K is being casual while others have 10-30K without really trying.
@@FormerGovernmentHuman most naxxramas gear are also prebis or near prebis
@@brieucferaud1037 I have heard this before, but havent found any naxx items yet that are better than HC dungeons. I looked at for example soulseeker from KT, it gives 126 spelldmg while terrok shadowstaff from sethek halls gives 168. Most items I compared have similiar differences, could you give me any examples where naxx items are better?
so recently i played on tbc privet server, was a tailor ( was server 1st max tailor) (WOTLK cliant so had achievements ) and i made bag with neatherweave bags... while lvling i spamed chat WTB COD neatherweave. and i sold each bag 25g ea ( probably could had gone 50g ea ) but 1st 3 days i mage close to 10k gold until market forced them to 7-10g ea. my little input and food for thought.
netherweave is 16 slot imbued one is 18, everyone has at least 16 slot bags now, they are selling for 15g +--, i doubt they will have better price and gigantugue bags are afaik 1800g from vendor (fixed price) for 22slot bag
@@Quitarstudent i guess that makes ecence , when i played the privet server , it was a fresh server so everyone level 1-70 therefor theres werent alot bags outthere and people were buying myn up for them selfs /bank / and bank alts ... yeh probably wont be as profitable.... what else ive done that might actaully work is tailoring CDs.. i had made 6 tailoring alts on TBC and had them all speced into Primal monncloth and pumpe them out since every healer needed them for Whitemend set and mooncloth set.
Market on my server is already fucked, mana pots 5g+ per mongoose 10-12g per. Lotus down to 80g
will we get classic?
i really hope we get fresh fresh tbc.. people are already stocking up on jewelcrafting mats.
Honestly I was so against having to start over, but at this point I'm starting to feel it might be best. I'm highly worried about the faction imbalance if that happens though.
Fresh, not a chance. Gold and boe item wipe would do wonders though. Fresh will make a lot of people quit. Wow is about character progression. People don't play pservers because they will lose their work. Blizzard moving characters on and not losing their work is exactly why people play classic over pservers.
Wdym? Go to lbrs farm sacs. Visc ez mode
@@Sleeman0980 agreed 100%
Been doing that each week by storing them on my alt and pack him at AQ40 before raid day. So much cheaper for the guild of mine plus I have 2 paid sub accounts to boost my own toons.
@@cornflakeshumunculus8373 nice. We do a guild run. Get 600 to 700 then sort them at the start of the raid. Summon an alt. Free consumes.
Mine has went to shit! 3g per ghost mushroom! Firebloom is 2g, and arcane crystals went from 10g to 36g.
I made a fuuuuucck ton of gold!
The economy is always fucked, thanks a lot bots...
This is why we need FRESH!!!!!!!!!
Would prefer everyone start with a brand new character for TBC. Having tons of tier 3 characters one shotting everything early isn't appealing.
Not gonna happen.
WillE, love the content. Wanted your thoughts on this. I got caught between having to take a break and getting caught up on BFA, Classic kept getting pushed to the side. I ended up leveling to 40 on both the Alliance and Horde.
I'm super excited for TBC Classic, that's when I started my WoW playing, on TBC release day.
Would you suggest pushing to 60 on Classic or waiting to push fresh on TBC? Not much left for me at this point on Classic other than the leveling experience this late in the game.
I mean there is still plenty of classic left u can still raid and have fun, probably even more than before since u have way more stuff to do than just repeating Molten Core for months like it was in phase 1/2. Classic is not like retail in a sense that only current raid counts, for new characters every raid (and even dungeons) still counts because of how gear progression and loot scarcity works. Also leveling is really stale in Classic, many people say that Vanilla leveling is the best part of it but i strongly disagree and i leveled 5 level 60 characters. Mostly because of how bad and different gear before level 60 is missing completely critical stats like hit, crit, healing power and spell power that are just completely changing how ur character plays. Endgame is definitely the strongest part, especially doing dungeons first time around can be really fun, raids can get pretty boring when u repeat them so many times and aren't really into parsing but they definitely would be fun for few months. So i would really suggest finishing up leveling and giving endgame a go.
Literally no one can answer this but Blizzard, dude. This video is literally about how we don't know. Give watching it a shot sometime
@@cashnelson2306 not even what I asked. Nice try though bud.
Not what I said. Just so late to even try catching up on end game content
@@Mason1968PL thats my biggest worry, too late to even try end game at this point
If given the chance I believe very few alliance player will move to a pvp server. With the 2 new races the gap of pvp based races for horde only increase. So unless Blizzard is willing to do a lot of changes for TBC pvp servers will be very dead on alliance side.
Whaaat blood elves are baaarely better than draenei
Honestly i wish they had made gift of the naaru a better racial a long time ago
I could currently buy all my level 60 epic flying mounts in TBC, with more than enough gold left to buy everything I need to gear them and level their professions. I really want fresh TBC servers where everyone starts level 1 but if this is not an option, I hope Blizzard limits the gold you can carry over. Having this much gold defeats half of the purpose of playing through TBC .. What is left to achieve when you can obtain day one what is supposed to be something you need to work toward for several weeks
just make a new account then
@@zuldo8577 no
I agree with limiting the gold being brought over to 5000, but otherwise I’d hate to start from level 1. I want to progress with my current character.
@@zuldo8577 that has to be the stupidest argument I've ever seen. Wtf?
@@caboose.20 The original argument being: Ive made too much gold in classic so I won't enjoy TBC? lul
It's insane how nerfed supreme power flasks got in tbc
Thank god. Big time saver.
That and no world buffs.
@@JohnSmith-jb2jf amen to that
@@JohnSmith-jb2jf Yea, can't wait for worldbuffs to be a thing of the past, such a hazzle with all the retarded spergers dispelling every god damn week.
Alchemy specialties giving 1-4 bonus flasks, pots and transmutes also massively reduces their prices and supplies, making them more affordable for everyone.
@@cattysplat Wow wasn't aware of that. Lovely.
People want to play classic in 2020 with a mindset of an MMORPG veteran and expect the game to be the same.
even in wotlk dist flasks are decent. In wrath my holy paladin with 60k mana just spamming on saurfang and beaconing the mark.. im sure they'll still be sought after when classic is over for int hungry players
Meh, Classic is nothing like Vanilla, lol. I only started in late BC and i even then prices were lower on rare mats than AH prices are now on Classic......
1 guild in a 100 was killing cthun/kel thuzad in vanilla. So raid mats were only in demand for the hardcore raiders, i shit you not 70% of the playerbase was stuck on razorgore/vael until bc on alot of servers.
If you weren’t on medivh, illidan or a couple of others there was alot of guilds progressing. And if you didn’t have a top tier guild on your server to learn from you had to rely on wowpedia/wiki which was shoddy in the beginning.
This video is six months late.
Wows economy is almost like ours. If you started early and worked hard and saved your money. You’ll be fine. If you didn’t. your broke....
increases ur chance to resist fear... flavor doe
I'm not sure you even need consumables to raid in classic given how easy it is.
You dont besides naxx i think. But getting big dps numbers works better than viagra for min/maxers.
F R E S H TBC please
People left will play for parses though so there will be a market.
The people that are still playing naxx classic after they are full geared and just for parses are the hardcore pserver type... the type that have been stockpiling everything they would need for the entire game since P1
Vis is free as people use brs sacs
Still think we will start fresh but Im leveling a lock just in case. People flying on day 1 just seems wrong.
What do you mean by flying on day 1? You get flying only @ 70, except druids who get slow flying form @ 68
@@ulutiu They will have it leveled in day 1.
@@ulutiu Wow, you actually think that people wont make it to 70 in a day, how cute.
Just do fresh TBC so that it's actually worth playing.
I got a lot of ideas to cash in on. Fortunately you didn't mention any of them and neither will I.
Good for you. Thanks for sharing nothing. Now go away.
I would love to do JC+Mining but i'm sure it's gonna be impossible to mine anything =(
theres gonna be ores in dungeons you can solo farm as rogue and druid possibly other classes aswell we shall see
THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
Do we have a link to this strawpoll or is it just made for the video to attract?
Great video by the way, loved this one.
They haven't even announced TBC yet. And most of us that wanted Vanilla back aren't interested in going into TBC. If anything, I would prefer a reset of Classic. I played TBC, raided it hardcore, no interest here. If it is released, it would be content we didn't ask for, but I can understand the interest from the tourists.
I think they should make new TBC servers and leave the current classic servers for those who dont like TBC (maybe squash some low pop servers). Also i would restrict the transfer options, you can trasnfer only 2-3 characters, with limited amount of gold (idk like 100 g/char), u cannot transfer boe items only bop items (to deny the possiblity to transfer with 200 arcane crystal etc..). I would also give a 1 month playtime on these servers for ppl to level up shamans/paladins to 60 before the transfer/opening of the darkportal.
This way you could play with your old character with all the naxx aq40 bwl gear you achieved, without letting ppl to stack up thousands of golds and manipulate the AH and/or isntant buy epic flying when the TBC starts. But i guess it wont happen as this solution would requirre additional implementations on the blizzard side :D
You should be able to take all your toons, that's what wow is about, but gold and boe items need a wipe for tbc. Those items and gold will trivialize tbc so much.
I have a TON of ore on 4 diff toons full of Ore. If blizz doesnt stop certain things, everyone in my guild will have a cap JC on their account.
But why is everyonegoing for jc, isnt one enough for the guild?
@@Jackthastyle Some of the Meta socket ones are BoP
8 minute video for a 3 letter answer...
YES YES ITS GOIMGNTO CRASH
Any WillE video about "this may surge in price" so far resulted in "no change" or "price drop" on my server after the mentioned point (P4&P5). So interesting but useless for me.
If you know that this items will be needed then everybody will farm and hold them, resulting in price increase just before the hit.
The economy is already ruined, GDKP runs are rampant and are flooding the market with gold that non of the players actually earn themselves. I have guildies doing alt runs for BWL/MC and coming out with over 1000g per run. People buying stacks of flasks on a whim, full consumes, paying to have all their alts boosted, etc. I seriously hope blizzard does not allow players to take all their gold into TBC.
Drums were nerfed in tbc.
Literally the only use for classic items in tbc is preleveling professions as well as farming jewels with mining.
Beyond that every single thing becomes obsolete.
> Drums were nerfed in tbc
They were nerfed in WotlK when they made them ineffective for lvl 80 chars. In TBC drums had their prime in Sunwell, particurally in M'uru fight.
Why the fuck does he keep saying we'll go to tbc it has never been confirmed to my knowledge that we'll get tbc they said they would "think about it" but i don't remember ever seeing any confirmation of tbc.
Wel... since T3 sets require huge amount of Arcane Crystals, Arcane Bars, Mooncloth and especially Cured Rugged Hide will get much more expensive I guess.
ppl are alrteady stocking them up
I already got all the things i need to buy 5/8, won't be getting 9/9 since 3 pieces are utter shit for mages and the ring is a drop anyway so will wear 6/9 for the 6-piece bonus (most likely, unless the dmg proc is shit, which ppl are debating atm).
It's honestly not all that much atm, and i think a lot of players already got what they need.
So many things can ruin tbc the biggest is if they make you keep your chrs from vanilla. This will only reduce the numbers of players that will start wow again.
False. If they make people lose their characters it will be a huge drop off in players. Wow is about character progression.
@@JoshLineberry if you do not want play from the lvl 1. Are you sure you even like the game. But they can just make servers for both and I think they will. Else they not gonne see my money.
@@Sxnderjyden that's a dumb question. I've already played from level 1 to 40+ around 60+ times in this game. I'm sure I do a lot more in it than you currently. However, wow is about character profession, not losing your character every expansion. If we wanted to do that, we would play on private servers.
@@JoshLineberry if this is true that most ppl want this guess i gonna stay away. And I quit classic because of bots. There was so many bots on my server that you was almost force to buy gold. Well for us that have a life outside wow aswell. Lets hope Blizzard wake up and hire GMs to overview all reports.
@@Sxnderjyden I do gdkp runs every week, 2 to 3 hours with the run and bids and it makes good gold. I made 477g on Sunday just from a bwl gdkp run. The MC run earlier in the day made 499g and then another bwl gdkp run Monday night made 799g for the raid.
I'm not even in a guild right now. I'm looking to maybe do a Naxx pub run or gdkp at some point and snag a single item. I'm not too keen on keeping going since, as a healer, I already have most of the cool items. Not like I would have a prayer at getting Atiesh or anything.
Most ppl don't care for Atiesh either since it's between 12-20 clears for a single one, the ones who are die-hard on getting one are the ones who wants to use it for the portal to Kara.
It's quite sad that the only dps caster legendary until the later expansions where everyone got their own was such a useless item thanks to the time required to get a single one, and even then the stats aren't exactly mindblowing like they were on the Glaives in TBC for rogues and warriors, remember doing 3v3 arenas and 5v5 and was such a bad day to go up against glaives as a Warlock back then.
Good luck 😂😂
i really like classic and all but we all khow that after a few weeks into naxx the game is just dead :(
Lol a lot of people are saying that. it's probably true. After we beat Naxx there is nothing left to look forward to or gear up for.
@Jenn Ro I khow exactly what you mean but everyone is on the mid maxing train and that on itself Brings those who just play for fun to do mid maxing to be able to show themselves.
it's actully pretty sad how the whole Situation turned out to be.
hopefully it don't turn out like this in tbc with WB and all gone.
I’m amazed people played classic servers for 10 years, it’s boring really can’t wait to move to bc and never return
@@TheOrionStar ull say the same about tbc too, though arenas are popular, rogues with both legendaries will shit on undergeared players
dunno about that,I think people who think like this quit after mc clear
Vics doesn't need to take a hit to your wallet, if you farm immature venom sacs from LBRS.
on your video all flasks are nerfed? when does this happen, at tbc launch?
Yup TBC patch flasks get a hard nerf. The current spellpower flask is stronger than the best flask in Wrath. The power gain we get from consumables is absolutely massive at the moment. Titans also drops from 1200 health to 400 I believe.