I had trouble finding data for a 500gn bullet in a lever gun. Had to start with trapdoor loads and work up. I commend you for going for it and finding a safe load for a 600gn. You're a beast.
I basically had to look at 400-500 grain load data and do the same, start really low to be safe and work up from it. I figure with the loads that underwood and doubletap have out there, it's not likely that I would do anything too dangerous by trying this. They really aren't as bad as you would think, thanks for watching!
@@ibtrippn08 Marlins and other modern rifles with strong actions can be loaded to much higher pressures than the old black-powder loadings used in Trapdoor Springfields. As long as you aren't using one of those old rifles, you can almost certainly heavily load up.
Cool test-ever tried heavier? Just bought some 730 grain bullets and trying to decide where to start for a load. Nice to see someone else playing with the monster weights though.
So far 600 grains is my heaviest to try. I saw someone put some pictures on a facebook today loading the 730 grain bullet in 458 socom, its a CBE mold that was modified with a hollow point that weighs 656 grains. Honestly I don't have much incentive to try anything heavier in this platform, I only did it because I had the mold and the gun. Do you frequent the castboolits forums or anything, I would be interested in hearing about your results with this bullet. Even if you comment back on this video with them. What gun will you be loading them for?
The rifle is a Navy Arms Frontier-WWII Enfield rebarrelled to .45-70. Plenty of mag length for feeding. I did find a subsonic load for the 730s, 900fps range. .45 auto level with a whole lot more weight.
I agree - they seem a bit unstable. The critical factor here in the rifling twist. The Marlin 45-70 is 1-20". That's fine for lighter bullets. The 458 Winchester Magnum, which uses the same diameter bullets, has a 1-14" twist, which is better to stabilize the heavier bullets. I'd like to see your target at 100 yards, or maybe 150.
Not long after this video I had mine threaded, you can see that in the video after this one. Sorry i'm not much help as to what would be the best, all of my suppressors are form 1's I did myself. I've seen lots of people mention Bowers Vers 458 and the Silencerco Hybrid 46.. Gives you a starting point.
what's the spec on this reload, case length, charge, powder, COAL, etc. I have no idea how your able to cycle a 600gr bullet in the action with how long that'd have to be
If you watch my original video of loading these you'll see all of that information. The original bullet mold this was derived from is the NOE HTC459-354. During the design phase Full.Lead.Taco and the others involved wanted it to work well in 458 socom and to cycle in lever actions. This 600 grain bullet is the same exact nose profile as the 354, only the body of the bullet is about an inch longer. These bullets loaded at 2.59" is the absolute maximum OAL that will allow this bullet to cycle in my SBL.
The guide gun has the same length and twist barrel as the SBL, so I would expect them to behave about the same. Possibly a hair better if it's a Ruger since they lengthened the barrels by 5/8", but that is most likely negligent. With these right on the edge of stability the biggest factor will be the bore size, if it's oversized there's a good chance they'll tumble.
I haven't shot these since this video, need to try the hollow point version in gel. See what BHN allows it to mushroom but still retain all 572 grains. Thanks for watching!
Well the problem is you're using an 18 and 1/2 inch barrel go to a 22 in and then the 26in out of the Winchester I'm not planning just for fun or to hit paper I'm planning to kill a beast not to mention using these and a trapdoor rifle or a sharps Sharp's have 34 inch girls and even test this in a 4590 Marlin rifles will take 35,000 cup p1886 Winchester's 50000 cup
I had trouble finding data for a 500gn bullet in a lever gun. Had to start with trapdoor loads and work up.
I commend you for going for it and finding a safe load for a 600gn. You're a beast.
I basically had to look at 400-500 grain load data and do the same, start really low to be safe and work up from it. I figure with the loads that underwood and doubletap have out there, it's not likely that I would do anything too dangerous by trying this. They really aren't as bad as you would think, thanks for watching!
@@ibtrippn08 Marlins and other modern rifles with strong actions can be loaded to much higher pressures than the old black-powder loadings used in Trapdoor Springfields. As long as you aren't using one of those old rifles, you can almost certainly heavily load up.
Just found your channel. Subbed. Wish there was more. More please!
I appreciate it! Since UA-cam started deleting videos I've lost my motivation to do videos. I have some new stuff might put up some day.
Cool test-ever tried heavier? Just bought some 730 grain bullets and trying to decide where to start for a load. Nice to see someone else playing with the monster weights though.
So far 600 grains is my heaviest to try. I saw someone put some pictures on a facebook today loading the 730 grain bullet in 458 socom, its a CBE mold that was modified with a hollow point that weighs 656 grains. Honestly I don't have much incentive to try anything heavier in this platform, I only did it because I had the mold and the gun. Do you frequent the castboolits forums or anything, I would be interested in hearing about your results with this bullet. Even if you comment back on this video with them. What gun will you be loading them for?
The rifle is a Navy Arms Frontier-WWII Enfield rebarrelled to .45-70. Plenty of mag length for feeding. I did find a subsonic load for the 730s, 900fps range. .45 auto level with a whole lot more weight.
I agree - they seem a bit unstable. The critical factor here in the rifling twist. The Marlin 45-70 is 1-20". That's fine for lighter bullets. The 458 Winchester Magnum, which uses the same diameter bullets, has a 1-14" twist, which is better to stabilize the heavier bullets. I'd like to see your target at 100 yards, or maybe 150.
I would like to see if these would stabilize in a 1895 Cowboy with the 26 inch barrel 🤔
Just now saw your video. I own a Marlin Black 45-70. It comes threaded for a suppressor. What would be the best one? Anybody out there please help!
Not long after this video I had mine threaded, you can see that in the video after this one. Sorry i'm not much help as to what would be the best, all of my suppressors are form 1's I did myself. I've seen lots of people mention Bowers Vers 458 and the Silencerco Hybrid 46.. Gives you a starting point.
thats a dead deer lol. My dad used to say, how do you line up enough deer to need such a big gun?
what's the spec on this reload, case length, charge, powder, COAL, etc. I have no idea how your able to cycle a 600gr bullet in the action with how long that'd have to be
If you watch my original video of loading these you'll see all of that information. The original bullet mold this was derived from is the NOE HTC459-354. During the design phase Full.Lead.Taco and the others involved wanted it to work well in 458 socom and to cycle in lever actions. This 600 grain bullet is the same exact nose profile as the 354, only the body of the bullet is about an inch longer. These bullets loaded at 2.59" is the absolute maximum OAL that will allow this bullet to cycle in my SBL.
Where’d you go
I'm still here, life gets in the way. Working on some new calibers right now!
Heck. I wish I was that stable:)
🤣 you and me both
Will those work in the guide gun?
The guide gun has the same length and twist barrel as the SBL, so I would expect them to behave about the same. Possibly a hair better if it's a Ruger since they lengthened the barrels by 5/8", but that is most likely negligent. With these right on the edge of stability the biggest factor will be the bore size, if it's oversized there's a good chance they'll tumble.
@ibtrippn08 thankyou very much
That would be a great bear defense round for guides
I haven't shot these since this video, need to try the hollow point version in gel. See what BHN allows it to mushroom but still retain all 572 grains. Thanks for watching!
Bet they would stabilize even better at 100 yds.
Really not bad at all.
I don't think so, but others may disagree especially since this is only at 50 yards. But I have seen a lot worse. Thanks for watching!
@@ibtrippn08 just the thing for brontosaurus hunting, huh.
Dear god, when did you hit 1,000 subscribers?
About a week or two ago, I was trying to think of what to do for a milestone video but I've got nothing haha
Do a live Q &A
I’m at 58 lol
@@Everydaybackpacker I had nothing to do with it, it's all UA-cam
I’m just giving you a hard time brother!
A little wobble, but not bad. Definitely not match target loads. haha
Lmao considering they have the trajectory of a hand grenade I don't think they ever will be
@@ibtrippn08 Right. But just like a hand grenade, they don't exactly have to hit the pupil of an eye to get the job done.
@@exothermal.sprocket no cigar either?
That would probably be awesome with a nice scope on it and re-do the test!!
I finally got a scope for it this week haha. We'll see if I can't do something with it in the near future.
Bet they stabilize better @ 100yd.
Some day I will have to test that
Well the problem is you're using an 18 and 1/2 inch barrel go to a 22 in and then the 26in out of the Winchester I'm not planning just for fun or to hit paper I'm planning to kill a beast not to mention using these and a trapdoor rifle or a sharps Sharp's have 34 inch girls and even test this in a 4590 Marlin rifles will take 35,000 cup p1886 Winchester's 50000 cup