Nissan Left Customer STRANDED!! (Titan Crank No-Start)
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- This 2005 Nissan Titan left the customer stranded at 180k miles. No DTCs stored!
He already swapped some sensors, relays, and fuses with no luck.
Let's diagnose this truck and see if we can get it back on the road without going to the dealer or even an auto parts store :)
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Chrysler has the same issue with their TIPM, and it's the same fix. Find the wires, cut em out of the TIPM, wire in an external relay. I also think Eric of south main auto has pulled the TIPM apart and soldered a new relay onto the actual board and fixed it, but that requires a lot more work than just wiring in an external relay.
Worked on a Dodge avenger. Customer took it to a dealer. They told need a new TIPM is required and will need programming.
She was told. Buy a used one. So she did. Took to a shop. They installed it. Car still stalling. Shop said new TIPM needed from dealer.
She dropped car under my shade tree with old TIPM. Reinstalled original TIPM. CAR still stalls??
Got wiring diagram. Followed it. Found wiring loom connector at front of car clip connector damaged and Connector would not stay together. Cleaned connection. Used tie wraps to hold connectors together. Car started and stayed running. I called Dodge dealer and asked the charge to program a TIPM?. 120.00 per HR.
And asked why do you charge to program a FUSE BOX? 😄
Customer is happy.
She later sold the car and bought a Jeep. She lives off road and lots of dirt and mud driving. Rough roads.
@@2nickles647 Pretty sure that jeep has a TIPM too. Got to be one of FCA's worst idea's ever.
@@ScottDLR I think all new Chryslers products have a TIPM. Some of them got recalled for the fuel pump relay prematurely failing and the dealer fix was to wire the external relay but it can happen to them all. As to why some models got the recall and others didn't? Couldn't tell you.
@@2nickles647 Niceeeee job!!! Disgusting how dealers take advantage of unsuspecting customers.
I like it, i like it, i like it🤣 I guess he liked it🤣
The IPDM is one of a number of fail points on the Titan Armada platforms. Typically it burns out resulting in a no start no run due to the ECM circuit being burnt. Then you have to replace it or keep swapping the relay over and over until it blows the IPDM fully.
Thankfully Nissan actually updated the IPDM and this one doesn’t burn out.
Any relay controlling an inductive load will fail much sooner than the same relay controlling a resistive load. The inductive kick back when the motor is turned off is hard on the contacts. Some relays (for DC loads) may have a snubber diode across the contacts to shunt the back EMF when the motor is turned off but most don't. Add to this that most manufactures won't glue a heavy parts like a relay to the PCB so you have a problem with the solder joints cracking from vibration.
Then to hide the relay in a 'module' just adds insult to injury. And what a silly place to put the under hood fusebox Nissan!
When you hear your engine start after a malfunction - "oh my baby"
I can relate to that.
Great job Ivan, as always
Thanks for helping us learn. I am 83 and do just about all repairs on my car and other family
members. I enjoy working on cars. Never too old to learn. Life is like that. THANKS for all you do.
After working for a major automobile company for almost 30 years, what happens is that the engineer(s) who designed the IPDM is just that, an engineer. Often, these engineers have no automotive experience on the technical/repair side and although they test relays for durability, they cannot duplicate real world driving conditions. So, they run a relay through thousands of tests and if they don't fail, then they say it will never need to be replaced and incorporate it into the fuse box. They aren't concerned with serviceability because in their mind, the part will never fail or the failure rate is very low. I worked with an engineer once that didn't know where the power steering pump that he designed actually fit on the car. I was shocked. I did learn though that often there are very good reasons for how they design things so while it may look stupid to us in the repair field, it makes sense in the manufacturing and safety side of things.
Like putting a battery behind the front bumper ... by the tire splash shield liner. The design engineer forgot about the battery and found a nice spot there I guess.
@@scientist100 Chrysler likes to put the PCM there as well 😂
Chrysler does all of the opposite. First question, "how can we make this as hard as hell to fix? Alright! Let's do it!!!"
I love it when the evil engineering of the dastardly designers is circumvented by a thinking technician with a simple solution! Either they don't care about the customer or are intentionally ripping him off.
Never ascribe malice when it can be explained by stupidity....
I subscribe to that :-)
Which gray wire there is one gray wire with white on the side located top row same row as the black and yellow and blue and white
and then there is another thinner all grey wire second row
plz explain
We need a lot more people like you who understand all this electronic stuff....
Nice job Ivan!! Almost no parts required! Great fix! Thus saving the client money!! Im sure he'll go back to you on other issues or more fixes!! You got another client on your book! Love it!! Great video! Many thumbs-up!!
95% of techs would have insisted in replacing that expensive module. This is fantastic work!
Great repair Ivan ,customer is one happy man .👍
Many thanks for labeling the new circuit, had an old Chevy years ago that someone bypassed the fuse box and shoved the replacements out of sight, naturally the left the fuses in the box....
IDPM? It would have been more accurate to call it "SUFB" Stupid Unserviceable fuse Box".
very nice find. i had a town and country
( i believe) that has a defected internal fuel pump relay and i remembered the jeep grandcherokee fuel pump relay recall where you do exactly what you did! wired it up and never seen it since!
Educational video. No dumb music. Good stuff!
Great job Ivan. When PHAD shows up for a diagnosis it's always what's best for the customer and the least expensive way when possible.👍👍
Brilliant...sure wish I lived closer to you!
That was a great work around and saved the customer a lot of money. Another happy ending.
Thanks! Same to my nissan Titan 2007 6 months seating and everything I do changed but still not run you are so great after I watch your video I did finally is running
Wooohoo got up early and a PHAD video. Going to be a good day
Yes, 2005-2007 had fuel pump lemons and relay problems strait from the factory. Nissan changed design and manufacturing. But, once relay (IPM) goes……well….your fix is the best answer. Nice Job! Ok👍
I love this kind of thing for older vehicles that you’re just trying to make last longer with as little expense as you can.
Crazy that a relay isn’t removable......
Nice add on and yes maybe only the external is best maybe
In my arrogant opinion, only relays that are non-critical to vehicle operations, if even those, should be the hidden/non-servicable.
I have been having this issue with my 2013 titan for about a year now. Intermittent not starting. The first mechanic charged me $1200 to not fix the issue. The current mechanic was waiting to see the issue . I am going to show him this video and if it resolves the issue you will be my Savior. I was about to sell my truck!
Did this work? Dealer hasn’t been able to help me. Gonna try this I think.
You saved this guy Ivan, the dealer would of greased him up real good.😂
It’s not a Nissan, it is a Renault. The fuse panel in the back for some of the fuses has to be unlatched and raised to get to some of the fuses. Yikes.
Unbelievable diag and fix. Well done Ivan!
This is Why I buy Honda's, Honda uses actual removable relays for the fuel pump, Last time I checked 🧐. By the way Great repair like always 👍.
It's good you RELAYed that information to us.
Love it. Especially leaving information for the next person. I’ve done stuff like this for years. I have a starter switch hidden under the dashboard of my 79 Datsun truck. I didn’t think of theft prevention I’m just cheap.
would be nice if you could supply a wiring diag for us to either screenshot or download to put in our files when needed thanks
nothing wrong with "old school"....check out Diagnose Dan's latest....
Just watched that before hitting this video. As soon as I saw the title, I immediately thought crankshaft pulley! :-D
Exactly nothing wrong with old school. But alot and many mechanics don't know old school. All they do know is pull out and replace.
Great job Ivan. I love it.
I'm just posting as another thing for people the check off their list. I recently had this issue and seem to have resolved it. It was ultimately my fault. About 1.5 years ago I bought a battery for my 08 LE w/Tow Package. Everything was fine for 1.5 years and then got this crank no start. Parts store said battery was good (and it seemed good), replaced the relay, fuel pump tested good and all the easy stuff was checked off. However, the mechanic said their diagnostic machine sent an alert when starting that the cold cranking amps (CCA) were low. Got to looking - the parts store web site showed I should use a group 24 battery - which the ones they sell are 650 CCA. Titan forums showed a group 27 battery. The parts store gave me warranty credits - so got a group 27 battery at 710CCA cheap. Truck cranks stronger and so far so good (only been a few days). My truck started this around 125K and would never go more than 3-4 times until it started. I suspect and am hoping the battery weakened and the CCA were just too borderline to easily start the truck. Although, there was no rhyme or reason on when it would crank not start. Would do it after running/being warm or when cold. Sometimes it would go days without doing so, sometimes one time after another it would do it.
Nice work! I was concerned about the parallel connection to the new relay which would have doubled the normal current to the ECM control circuit. But of course, you had already thought of that! Great video!
The ignition power source feed to the relay is wired and protected by fuse .
@@nellyxavier8923 Yes, but I was concerned about the current on the output of the ECM needed to energize two relay coils in parallel, basically doubling the current on that output. Even though it’s a fraction of the current that is sent to the fuel pump, the output of the ECM is limited to much less than 15A. There was a possibility of burning up the ECM.
Great job. Is there anyway you can send me the wires colors and where its wired to the relay. I would really appreciate it. What size fuse is in the inline fuse holder Thanks in advance.
Ivan, Impressive repair. You got through the confusion of the customers attempted repairs. Just curious how much total time was involved? Great Job as always.
About 2 hours.
2 hours not bad at all with recording it too. Impressive.
I know this is a really old video but gray wrie with white on the side
Or just plain gray wire ??
I am having an issue with a 2009 pathfinder 5.6 4x4. Okay a loose ground bolt on right side of engine caused a smaller 16 gauge wire on left side of engine to carry all the current when trying to start the vehicle causing it to melt on driver's side inner fender.
This wire runs under air box all the way into the main harness runs down the left side of engine behind the intake manifold back to the ipcm & ecm. So I opened the harness pulled the melted wires apart the ones that were showing bare wires and no broken strands I used liquid electrical tape to cover wires and the very bad ground that was melted completely I cut out and soldered a new wire same gauge back to the original grounding point.
Checked each wire for proper continuity all the way back to the ecm ( battery disconnect and pulled out of vehicle ) all tested fine. No breaks or other wires touching together anywhere else. Put it all back together and found cop #1,2 & 5 were not sparking. Moved cop around and the coils were working on other cylinders but those 3 1,2,& 5 still had no spark with good known cop. Pulled harness again and found more comprised wires that were melted together deeper into harness fixed them put it all back together and now #1& 5 no spark #2 is working again.
I put new cop on the vehicle so ruled out bad coils just to be safe. Checked for codes still getting random misfire no other codes.
I guess time to get out the oscilloscope grab my laptop and add this vehicle to my alldata diy to figure this out. I feel like it's the ecm but want to check wave pattern and signal quality to make sure it's the ecm. I hate throwing parts when it's not the part that failed
I love it when you can fix a vehicle without having to replace a part. Genius!
Are the parts shortages enough to make repair shops reevaluate the way they repair vehicles yet? This was a quality fix without just replacing a OEM part. There may be a lot more of the out of the box thinking going on as supplies shortages get worse.
I guess those internal relays are supposed to be more reliable than standard ones. They are until the are not
Good morning I’ve been having this same problem changed the IPDM and fuel pump and still have the same problem any idea where else I can look thanks
Nice work around. Great job ! Just did similar repair with a plow control interface module for an inoperative plow head light. $300 for a new module or a little study of the wiring resulted in a simple jumper install to correct. Yes I'm a cheap guy, was my personal truck.
U should re label the vid so that the algorithm gods send unhappy Nissan owners to Nissan TIPM nirvana with this really cool work around. Relay control is ground side switched, correct?
I have a 2006 Nissan murono with the anti theft light just came on and now it cranks but won’t start,all the fuses are good inside and outside even the fusible link on the positive cable .I’ve tried everyway to reset the immobilized and nothing works.hooked up a small scanner an get an iso9141,which is no communication ,any suggestions would be helpful,thanks in advance ,
I love the "no parts required" mantra. I've always been this way myself as well, but you take it to the next level with these work-a-rounds. I'll be adopting these hacks for sure. lol
Let's all stop and think for a second how many replaceable fuel pump relays go bad and need replacing on older cars and now how many non-replaceable tiny soldered in fuel pump relays go bad and need replaced on these newer cars.
A $5 relay? Nah I'll take the entire $500 box and while you're at it could you also charge me even more to program that fuse box for me please, thanks. But hey that's progress eh?
one of your best videos .
you should be the engineer at one of these car/truck companys ;)
Where can you get these relays?
Now you're just showing off
Lolz
Great fix Ivan. I have found those ISO relays on Amazon with the fuse built into the relay. Makes for a tighter setup. Your patience with these engineering disasters is very enviable my friend. I have some cars in Kentucky if you run short of video material ‼️
A genuine diagnosis, by an expert technician, and a cost effective fix, result? A very happy customer! This is the way things should be!!! Thanks for sharing 🥰
Wow! Excellent Ivan! You save that owner a lot of money! Good to see a truck with 180K on the odo and still running good!
Excellent work
Just did this on a Lincoln Navigator. Fuel pump really is in the CJB. Knuckleheads probably save a nickel per vehicle doing that. :/
Most excellent work Ivan. Fixing it the way it should have left the factory. FYI, I love relays too, like for example, headlight switches that melt after a time, relay removes the current from the switch that caused the failure.
right on !! Ivan .
good job.
Nice video Ivan. Keep up the good work 👏
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Great diagnostic and better solution!
These integrated power modules are a pita and manufacturers are stepping into even more integration, which is bad news for customers. Luckily, there is Ivan to the rescue :-)
Hi im still Learning, i want to Know Why using test lamp 5amp to energize some stuffs like the fuel pomp?
Aftermarket garbage such as car alarms/engine immobilisers can cause a headache when diagnosing a vehicle which conks out on a person because they're obviously not shown in the vehicles wiring diagram.
I had to fix that problem up for my great uncles stepdaughter about 3 months ago & so far there's been no bad news !
Im having this exact problem but i dont have a solution. Im not getting power into the grey wire at all.
Can you tell me if you have the wire going from the battery running to 30 and 87 and also can you tell me what you did for ground because I see you got the gray wire running into 85 and you got the blue white wire running into 86 I’m confused on 87 and 30 . How do you power both of them off the battery. Can you please tell me so I don’t burn out my computer
I wanted to see yr relay soldering hook up
Throwing parts that may or may not be the issue, especially aftermarket parts is not really old-school it's just confusing the root cause
That was an absolutely awesome explanation on that. I have someone that was gonna buy a whole other board just to have it running. Your wording and guidance just saved me and them a huge headache. I commend you, sir.
Sweet!
Very cool !!!!!!!!!
The Corporation? Well, then they need to REALLY
brush up their customer service technique.
!
I love these real world GSD (get "stuff" done) fixes! Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
Could you not just hot wire it to a simple toggle switch and just turn the pump on and off manually ?
Absolutely brilliant analysis Ivan. Bravo work!
Hello I'm Javier I'm working on a 2005 Nissan Titan 5.6 .it started with the fuel pump fixed it than went to the truck not starting with new fuel pump so I continued to do more checking and I came out to not having any spark on my ignition coils so I changed out cam and crank sensors ,but still no spark I went ahead and changed out the ipdm and still no crank and still no power to my coils .what iam i missing out here plz help
HOW CAN I GET AHOLD OF YOU? I would like to hire you
I have a 2008 Nissan Armada crank no start. I have checked everything. I changed the fuel pump, gas pedal, and ignition switch. How do I test to see if it is the relay you are talking about in this video. Or what else could it be
Can you help my truck Nissan Titan 2010 crack no star The slip Vdc engine light is on. Already cavie The relay and The cakshsft sensor purse New battery. Thank you, I hope if you can guide
Come on out to Northern Cal and find the bad wire on this 2005 Honda Accord VTEC system I’ve been trying to find. Intermittent problem. Runs for weeks then check engine light comes on and engine stumbles. Wiggle the connectors at the Vtec pressure switch and solenoid and it runs for few weeks. I think it was a bad pin on the pressure switch.
I'm sure Bill is happy... how far do you travel.... we could use a mechanic in Dubois that repairs the problem instead of throwing parts at it!!
Hie Evan,can you pliz help me I have been trying to activate my lease on Mitchell prodemand for wiring diagrams but its giving me hard time since Im in africa,it looks like it needs an address from western countries. I don't knw what to do,I wanted to start my monthly subscription
Dude you are the man! I bought and 08 titan that if you let sit for and hour it cranks and cranks then finally starts. I was getting a code for po850 which is a neutral safety switch circuit low. I thought that was the problem this whole time but I’m pretty sure what you described in this video makes way more sense. The only thing my po850 code causes is it for it to start in reverse and drive and my back up lights don’t work. But this has definitely shed a light on what it probably is causing the crank no start it varies with tempature
So does changing out the ECM board " Due to bad soldering on the board for the electrical circuits " fix the problem?
If you replace the IPDM model it does not have to be programmed I replace mine with the updated version because I was having random no crank and stalling issues. I called the dealer and got the correct part number for the updated module on my truck Then searched online and found a dealer selling it as new old stock $330.
wonder what other relays are in the IPDM, that will soon fail and cause more issues. 🤬 blasted junktronics.
My titan,2006 with 265000 won't start when it's cold outside. So what I started to do on a whim was to take a lighter to the metal of the key for 10 seconds or so and it starts every time! Go figure!
Hey can I replace the IDPM with a used one? And will it need re-programming if so?
Great almost NPR repair cost and time effective and a very happy customer . I am always abit worried by the back EMF of some of these general types of relay coils being much higher than than the original factory relay coils , usually those general kind of block relays have a free-wheeling diode installed across the coil to limit back EMF voltage spikes being produced by deenergising relay coil . I always check those general relays have a internal diode installed across the coil then make sure the polarity of the coil supply has the diode reverse biased when energised so it works correctly.
I just checked the video and the block relay you used did have a free wheeling diode installed on the connection diagram on the relay base so it's back EMF protected.
I don't think the relay coil with diode in parallel like that would burn up if polarity is reversed nor will the computer.
It would create a short circuit trough the forward biased diode hopefully not damage the ECM driver and just blow the diode but then there's no back EMF protection which may cause problems down the track.
I'm having a 08 Nissan Pathfinder V6 with similar issues crank not start but when battery is getting low the dash gauge start jumping for few seconds like crazy and that is when it start fine and after that it start fine sometimes for couple days or into next morning I change cam sensors and crank engine temp sensor and nothing not codes
This piece goes out more often on hot days.
excellent solution, thank you for this video
Where are you located my man can you come fix my Nissan titan please I live in New Orleans Louisiana
*Nissan scum. The Chrysler of the Japanese automakers*
I'm trying to put a relay bypass kit I got on line. On nissan titan it shows to ground to classy or do I use the gray wire to the ecm
we're STILL dealing with points !! LOL
When I hook up my.scan tool it does not find the ecu but it finds every other module ..... it's a crank no start situation
A polarizer filter for the camera can reduce reflection/glare