$900 Reverb? The Era of Luxury Pedals - Dipped in Tone Episode 6
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On Episode 6 of the Dipped in Tone podcast Rhett and Zach discuss the new Chase Bliss CXM 1978 Reverb, JHS 3 Series Pedals, Early Pedal Experiences, and the new Gibson Slash range and opinions on Gibson not marketing to the newest generation of players.
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Gibson Slash Collection www.gibson.com/Guitars/Collec...
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Here’s what makes me most excited about this podcast: industry insiders telling their stories and giving their insights! Don’t hesitate to tell us what you think or how you feel! Josh will not hate you. You’re serving your audience just like he is. Shoot straight. Don’t hesitate. We’re here for that. Start catering to your competition and we’ll get skeptical. Your industry (not Gibson) is rapidly adapting to this reality to the benefit of their bottom line.
Loving the show more and more, good job guys!
I'm friends with Joel and he makes a fine product, as well as collaborating in creative ways. That said, way too rich for my blood. I'm also friends with Steve Bragg, and the Empress Zoia is also too rich for my blood. But I understand they are both excellent niche products that do exactly what a specific fragment of the global market needs them to do. Personally, I think the motorized faders are just begging for trouble, but that's me That said, some folks find the graphic nature of the controls helps them visualize sounds, and recognize presets more easily, which can be an important convenience for them.
Would I play a bar with a $900 pedal on my board without leaving an armed guard on stage if I stepped away? Nope.
My new favorite Podcast. You both totally vibe off each other. Have been wanting to showcase the Mythos pedals on our show but they are not yet available in India.
Think about a budget line this way... since all the COVID stuff, we’ve seen a huge explosion in people picking up the guitar... sales are much higher than expected... these newbies are just now 6 months in and ready to start with pedals after getting used to the new guitars and amps and are ready for the next GAS purchases... budget pedals for new or returning guitar players at exactly this moment is brilliant... well done Josh Scott and Mythos should certainly dip the toes as well!
I think one of the things that makes Josh so successful as a builder and business man is the fact that he loves pedals generally and is a student of the pedal market and pedal history. Zach, I think it’s important for a creator like yourself to care about all kinds of pedals, even if they aren’t your jam. Being inspired or influenced by the sheer creativity and engineering feat that is the CXM1987 may help you to be even more creative and successful. Something not tickling your fancy...no problem...not caring...may be to your detriment.
Zach Here, I respect the hell out of what they have accomplished but I'm being honest here, I don't care about that kind of effect. I'm not interested in creating pedals like that, I don't want a reverb that has that level of control or variety of sounds, but that doesn't mean I think it's a bad product. I just don't care and that's totally fine. I think so often in this world we're stepping on eggshells or trying to sugar coat everything, there's nothing wrong with a dose of honesty.
The Morgan JS12 is a Princeton style amp but with more headroom and a beefier transformer. I just got one earlier this year for the exact "grab and go" reason you guys are talking about. It's awesome!
Yeah, I want one real bad
Logo looks incredible!!! Yes!!!
I like tube rectifiers in lower wattage amps, especially for home playing. You can get a more reactive feel at medium volume. I also plug into the lower gain input of such amps when they have ‘em…this loads down the guitar signal a bit, resulting in a more compressed sound (like a higher wattage amp turned up just short of overdriving) in addition to shelving some treble. I make up for the treble loss by tweaking the tone control(s).
And speaking of stuff blowing up, I’ve owned & played amps with tube rectifiers for over 30 years and had never had a rectifier tube die prior to last month. It was a Mesa branded 5Y3 and was in the amp when I bought it ~25 years ago. About five minutes before it crapped out the amp’s volume jumped up. Sounded glorious! I thought maybe the (lower gain) input resistor might be going, but nope.
I checked out cyberattack on your recommendation (good shout)!
When you were reminiscing about first guitar pedals... my first guitar pedal was gifted to me by some friends. It was a DOD FX58 "Metal Maniac". I played blues. May have explained why it took a long time for me to get into pedals.
Lol me too ... My friend in high school sold me one ... ...
please dont ever record the intro track. just keep teasing it forever. (not sarcasm)
i think i still have a calendar notification of when the Oracle was supposed to come out...😞
Please never record the intro track. Keep the gag going
My thoughts exactly
Same
I'm a live sound engineer (when there's gigs) and I've thought of picking up the CXM to use as console outboard. I think having the super tactile control in front of me, and the presets would be really cool for live sound.
Hey Rhett and Zach! I have the CXM 1978 and I've been waiting 15 years for something like this to be made! This pedal left me shaking at first try and it is literally worth the price in gold and I'd pay even more for it. You can change the reverb time on the bass and mids which is crucial and does something I've not heard any other reverb pedal do for live use. I own a Neunaber Stereo Wet and DBA Rooms and I've owned and sold most of the Strymon stuff so I was wondering how this would compete to my favorite reverb pedals and it one of the only pedals that had such a powerful effect on me I had to go for a walk after I used it. haha You have to experience it in person and hope you can get your hands on one! If you get one hit me up and I'll share my favorite settings!
I dig ponderer too. Kind of a knobs vibe but more melodic
New Mythos Pedal! Analog Delay! Cool!!! 🔥
Part of what’s interesting to me about the “$900 Chase Bliss reverb vs. JHS 3 series” discussion is that you guys seemed to think both companies will do well with their respective new products, and I totally agree. I think both Josh and Joel are smart about developing their brands and managing demand vs. production capacity, pricing, etc. To a certain degree the market does set the price, look at the Automatone - lots of people claim it’s too expensive but Chase Bliss can’t make them fast enough right now, so from their business perspective pricing is not a problem because they can’t scale their production fast enough to meet demand. I’d also hazard a guess they’ll sell plenty of the 1978X reverbs in preorder alone, with a large portion of those going to sound designer/engineer/producer types. Long ass comment here but the point is from a market awareness perspective I think both companies have a well thought out angle and they’re likely to be successful whether or not I buy any of the products mentioned in this video.
Good points, chucked you a like, but remember: when Chase Bliss dropped Brothers just a couple of years ago, they were sold out and hard to find for a while. Today, it's been discontinued. You can't base a product's success based on initial release alone.
I liked the knobs demo.
You can’t keep lying to me about the intro man
For me, it depends on what the CXM 1978 does. I’m a church keyboard player who plays a NORD Stage 3 through a Big Sky every week. Meris kills it with reverb (I have a Mercury 7 on my pedal board). IF the CXM sounds amazing and can do some really cool things, the stereo in/out is huge for me. Would I consider swapping it or using it as a complement to the Big Sky for keys? Probably. Reverb is pretty huge for me in live performance every week.
Also, would I like to hear what a Prophet 5, which came out in 1978, sounds like through a CXM 1978 reverb colab between Meris and CB? That would be cool too.
My problem is that Knobs video was useless for me. Noises and no clear, discernible reverb application, at least for a keys guy. So, yeah, I have my preorder in and is really like to see another couple videos before they send it out.
It could be really useful for me. It also could be just a nice reverb with automated faders. I’d like to know.
Giving you gents a thumbs up... assuming this is where thumbs up are left...
Do the budget line Zach legend! It'll rip 🔥🔥🔥
Your perspectives seem so different. I get excited about that. Don’t agree. Stand your ground. Tell us what you think/feel. Don’t feel pressure to be in sync. Love the dichotomy!
Logo reminds me of the cover of thickfreakness
Mission accomplished
Lol, pickup jazzers love those chase bliss pedals. Classic!
The Chase Bliss is a studio tool for sure. MIDI controllable, recallable, and has the Lexicon 224 authenticity plus automation control for all parameters. Hard to find that combo. Seems simple to use too. Personal experience: The thing sounds leagues better than the UAD Lex 224 ($300) and the Valhalla Vintage Verb ($50) -If we’re comparing to plugins. Want a hardware Lex 224 tho? $5k. No common producer is reaching for that. But for many producers making music reliant on ambience and want hardware, the pedal is a compromise. And you’ll likely dial in an inspiring sound faster with that pedal than a plug-in from scratch.
All that being said. I’d prefer to pay $500-$700 for it. But by that estimate, $900 is within reach too. But a guitarist running mono into an amp should be ashamed of this purchase lol 😂
Zach check out a Lazy J J20.
High headroom Tweed-ish deluxe 🤙☀️
Immediacy can mesh beautifully with tube rectification, more a matter of proper power supply design and filtering. Don't count out a tube rectifier, it's just that 90% of amplifiers are based off Fender designs (and the best of those get ignored: the brown super, the lower power tweed twin...) and those weren't drawn up for that kind of performance consideration.
I caved and got one. But my setup is 1 amp with 5 pedals and then slave out to a cab sim and 8 stereo pedals into a pa
Tweed Pro/Bandmaster is where its at 🤘 best tweed ever (next to the High Power Tweed)
Gibson needs to bring back all those weird '70s and '80s models, plus the unique Epiphone stuff like the Coronet. Plus Firebirds etc.
We need a Bricasti M7 pedal priced as Strymon Bigsky 😁. It will be a total game changer.
Regarding Gibson Slash... agreed. Its them not moving forward. Like past 1985. They should pick a current, relevant artist, like Billy Gibbons
ZACH! You should call your '3 series' line something to the effect of "Spartan sound/series" (Spartan sound Fuzz, Spartan series Drive, etc.)
Already have a Spartan series ;)
@@DippedInTone wait, what?!?
Run some synths through it in the studio 😏
People not using pedals etc "to their full potential". Thing is, you pay for the potential to be able to create other tones when time comes and your tastes evolve. I'll readily admit that I don't need a gazillion different algos. On my Helix I use 2-3 amp simulations, and am more interested in the fact that it can act as a recording rig and controller, rather than the hundreds of different models of whatnot. I liked the EQ based reverb "swell" tone of the CXM unit. Alternative would be to buy a rack unit vintage Lexi, at "that" vintage collector's price. CXM1978 is an interesting concept especially when paired with an external controller pedal like the ZOIA for LFO's or envelope controlled naughtiness. Something I see myself using, something I'd love to pair with an expression pedal or a LFO. I dig the fact that the unit has full 5pin MIDI and not some TRS receptacle that then calls for an external midi-to-trs box because everybody is doing their midi miniplug thing different :-/. I like the fact of seeing visual confirmation of how the pedal is set up, and the fact that it's built like a tank.
Do allman brothers next for BSL!
$900 gets me you an Iridium, a Flint, and a Deco... its not easy to justify that. But nothing worth doing is easy!
Damn Rhetts first pedals put mine to shame... DOD Grunge here
Rhett, your instincts are correct. You don’t need to do pedal demos. That’s not what your audience wants from you. We want edifying content and insider pro musician insights, and advice. How to buy _____. How to get ____ tone. What _____ guitar gives you.
I’m about to sell my Morgan pr12 which is essentially the same as the Js12 minus the boost feature & a greenback instead of the Josh smith signature eminence. Just sayin Rhett! Haha
I love this podacsst
Nobody wants to be Slash anymore! Everybody's trying to be John Mayer
Gibson has ALWAYS been a luxury brand. By I’m excited about USA made Epiphones!
Interview nick Greer!
Prince of tone is $148 new I think.
I hope Janie Hendrix doesn’t shut you guys down, she’s vicious when it comes to that stuff.
Yeah, we’ll see
Buick made a Skylark. Studebaker made an Avanti... and a Lark. Maybe... The Cars? If that isn't already taken.
My suggestion would be to name the band something different each show. Keep it interesting
Rhett, I'd love to see some "Rig Rundown" type videos on the Backstage Live concerts. Like, why did you pick this group of equipment for this particular tone? Kinda a mini-tone course without full explanations for each concert.
Also.... "Gibson for Boomers" thing..... Gen-X is over in the corner with it's measly wad of singles going, "Yeah. Ok. It's fine.... it's either for Boomers or for Millennials. Whatever. Sure, we'll do like Cobain and Marr and those guys and pick-up whatever's in the pawn shops, I guess."
Let's be honest about Fender - they make all their big bucks on the hoards of Squiers they sell, not off all the proper Fenders. Squier is the best selling guitar in the world. Gibson hasn't really leveraged Epiphone well in that regard, although I think the 2020 line is a great step in the right direction.
Yeah, I bought two of the Preamp MKII’s because it was so good. One for my main and one for my backup board. This verb though - with me having a Big Sky, Specular Tempus and a MOOD on my main board, and the fact that it’s $900 - I’m gonna pass.
Blues Lawyers will buy it. Why not just get an H9 MAX.
The chase bliss automatone is pure hype in my not so humble opinion.
Comment for the Algorithm.
Bet it will get played into more $4000 than $400 amps.
A $900 pedal? I can get an hx stomp and an expression pedal for that price
"10,000 are already at dealers." NVIDIA could learn a thing or two.... Lol jk
😂
I’d be up for a Jason Isbell Red Eye reissue. You? If so, how does that mesh with the looking forward for Gibson, or is that still a Boomer purchase? My point is that until Gibson and Fender make a new model that is as good as the specs that are on those quality guitars the circle is set to continue. The only solution I see is to stop putting those classic model/specs on a pedestal ie SET A NEW STANDARD (sorry for the dramatic caps)of excellence. What are your thoughts on Dusenberg Or Gretsch?
I think Gretsch is killing it, especially with their budget line of guitars, theyre truly hard to beat for the money. Dusenberg are great guitars, I really dig the look and feel of their designs, but I think they are overpriced for what they are.
That dude with the tats who looked like you should not mess with him.. Sounds like that was Jason Momoa.. check the @prideofgypsies over at instagram.. and your right.. not to be messed with.. 😂
No, it was a bodyguard. I should have been more clear in my tangent story.
👍 Well you had me going for a bit. Would have been real funny. 🤷♂️ I enjoyed the Gibson plug they did together for the Slash-range guitars. 🤗
$900 reverb only is definitely a hard no for me, cool but your average guitar player has no use for that.
Honestly, the whole Chase Bliss/Knobs thing has descended into unintentional self-parody. I've watched quite a few of their demos, and I have yet to see one person who can actually, you know...play guitar.
900 bucks for a reverb pedal? My mortgage payment is 950. These pedal builders are insane if they think people are going to pay 900 bucks for a pedal that does something that my amp does for free 😆. Something like this should be in a rack mount form for studios, not in a pedal for players.
$900 for a reverb pedal?? Sure, why not... after all there's a (for real) market for an $800 bike pump.
Gibson should reissue the SG body style melody maker. They should reimagine the Marauder and the S1. How about koa body and brass ingraved pickguard kind of the s-1 meets some ideas and runs into Schecter Guitar Research from the 1970s Gibson you got some design questions hit me up. You need to stop going after people my age I'm almost 60 we're getting old and we're going to die I mean not me not tomorrow out but you know we're getting older the people you need to appeal to other young people that will just keep making more money the young people that are out playing at bars and clubs constantly doing people that will become the rockstars tomorrow you have a Nancy Wilson model that's out and you just came out with a new slash line of guitars . Paul both Nancy Wilson and slash are great players Amazing Stories music their guitar Heroes of yesterday period yesterday would be the operative word there yeah when I was in my mid-50s when I can afford it I spent $6,000 on a brand new 59 Les Paul reissue beautiful I love it I own a bunch of guitars I play in bars I will play the guitar until I die.
Stop telling the young people how authentic and cool Gibson is because of all the things you've done in the past and start asking them what they want to purchase in the present and what they want to see from you in the future newsflash old people die
Never in a thousand years. And I have plenty of money to burn. Just no. 🙄
The knobs made a terrible review of that product. I would say they destroyed people's excitement about it. Period