"Hardcore is for rich jocks"
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- Опубліковано 16 тра 2024
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Therapists: you shouldn't hear a text that you read
Me: HERE'S THE THING
This is amazing.
🙌🙌
Listening to Finn Mchenty roast the fuck out of everything I own and listen to is my favorite pass time activity
It’s a little bit masochistic but yeah, good to be humbled sometimes
Just jokes 😘
Me too 😂
I was born too late for my music to be roasted by Beavis & Butthead so I just send it to UA-camrs instead.
Mine too 😂
Guy shitting in a metal trash can in an empty shipping container
Finn: So catchy
Two things can be true at once. I do not personally like any of this new weird country rock, But it is Catchy
That’s just most noise and grindcore tbh. And it’s all valid music. Not my cup of tea but it is music
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I never got the spotify hype. UA-cam premium is top tier
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[slowly nods in approval from afar]
"we used to go to [metal] shows to get away from losers". which world this guy lives on?
what does he even mean? are his parents going to shows with him now? is that what he's referring to?
Dude looking around and seeing a bunch of dudes that have not showered in weeks and saying "God we are so cool".
For real I haven't been to a local show in years because it's legit just a group of 100+ losers with no future hanging around
@@MoshJunkie426 that says more about where you live than it does about any music fanbase lol
As a certified loser myself, yeah, the scene sucks. My sis and I went to a cannibal corpse show the other year. Great show, george killed it as usual. Would've been better if the crowd wasn't continuously farting the entire time. Dudes need to learn how to eat a balanced diet ffs not just gas station burritos.
I think one of my favourite things that you do is when you realize you are about to say something hilarious and is a bit, you do a slight laugh, like you know that some idiot commenter is gonna take you way too seriously. always the funniest bits lol. Awesome video!
The “here’s the thing” edit always makes my day.
See, these videos where you just set it straight and are loose with your mood are the videos we enjoy the most.
Exactly!
Holyyyy shit. I legitimately laughed out loud at the "don't step on my snake sticker" comment 😂
The lossless audio is so much better and yes the UI for me. God damn it Finn. I’m married and I’m an Apple Music user. I am old. I am not chad. I am bald. I just realized my wife is bound to leave me at any moment. I must settle for inferior sound quality and library system to save my hair and my marriage 😂
PS, I love topics like these. Some of us don’t just want videos about bands we liked when we were teens. But I understand why you have to do that stuff. Keep on brother we’re here for it
😂😂
Also, I agree that I LOVE these videos too!
Their was a sort of truth to the "rich kid" element of hardcore fans in the UK before the age of streaming and everyone being connected to the internet in the sense of the music wasn't made to be accessible so to hear about anything that wasn't your friends local band you'd have to have access to the internet, same with buying merch, CDs, vinyl etc, if you wanted to buy something by an obscure band in California for example you'd have to be able to get on a computer to buy it as well as be able to afford the shipping to get it to you, doesn't mean you had to be living in a castle rich but their was a sort of financial barrier to entry back then
I do Spotify/Android, so I have to make up some of my Chad energy by having a mullet. I dont make the rules.
I realise the more I watch Finn, the more I like metal. Especially power metal.
I seen suicide silence back in 2009 in Fayetteville NC on the music as a weapon tour, they were absolutely flawless. I was up front and Mitch was going tf in..like always
RIP Mitch
The dude that shouted out Casey Jones gets a round of applause from me. That band was a fun phase of my life
Casey Jones was so damn good
Hey Finn. I know yoir not gonna respond or read this but ive watched your content everyday for the past 3 years. Me and my wife both do. Watching your content always puts me in a happy place. Im sure ive seen all yoir videos. Anyway, please dont give up. Theres so much you could do on this platform. The possibilities are endless. This is a little off topic but do you ever do meet and greets? Anyway much love from alastair and april
Thank you! If you ever see me in public you should say hi!
We would definitely be flipping out if we saw you out in the wild
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA wait, do you guys go outside?
The mainstream pop punk revival may have fizzled, but bands like No Pressure and Heart Attack Man aren’t sliding off my playlists any time soon.
Can't get enough No Pressure
that s/t album from 2022 is excellent
I predict bands like Lakeview are going to be pretty big, or at least influential. Let me tell you from experience, small town people LOVE that butt-rock/radio-metalcore sound. Mix that with a bit of a country twist and you have a formula that's going to make red-state rock festivals go wild. It's not my cup of tea, but I'm willing to bet that sound is going to stick around for a while
Finn sums up the difference between hardcore and metal perfectly. It's why I say I listen to metal but my ethos is based in hardcore
same, i like the black metal but not gonna step in a black metal show, although for a weird reason, new black metal fans are super lgbt sjdjjdjf but the old guys, get them out
when I got into hardcore I only knew upperclass hardcore guys.
I went to school in an upperclass white neighbourhood
same thing with punk kids
lotta upperclass whire kids where I hung around
I wasnt upperclass and those were the kids that looked like I did
I now miss any of your videos that DON'T contain video clip of "Here's the thing!"
People who think hardcore is just a bunch of rich kids have never actually met a rich kid
I doubt they mean like the “global elite” rich lol
But most I’ve met were upper middle class, well above average income families.
It’s just the fact they try to emphasize how working class and “hard” they are that makes people call them cringe rich kids.
It’s the same for punk and it’s subgenres too.
Anything that’s a niche genre with a big internet culture will typically have a large upper class following. I think it’s because the actual working class doesn’t have time to search the internet for small niche bands, take time off work to play shows or go to shows, and it’s hard to find 4 guys playing instruments in poorer areas. I grew up pretty poor outside of America and also until late jr high time in America as well. Most working class typically listened to rap, radio rock, or even country. Granted there’s plenty of middle class punk and hardcore kids, and not all rich kids get into hardcore. But the stereotype exists because some genres just have more rich kids than others, and hardcore just happened to be one of those.
i just wanted to say, i find it very very stupid that people dislike someone based on the very tame opinions of his on music, just because he has an actual audience. i also want to say, i'd rather watch videos about topic i dont know anything about and had no prior interest than something that i already know about, because your format is entertaining to me. i know the clicks of the fans on the video are very valuable, but at the very least there'd be no harm in balancing two types of videos. i dont know how much less of a revenue you get from the videos that you enjoy making, but i think they're still worth making even if it's mostly for your mental health, because if it will hurt, then the quality of all of the videos will suffer too. i dont agree with you sometimes too but if i agreed on everything, it would just be boring to watch tbh. there's not a person on earth that doesnt have some kind of hot or even shitty takes, and i think that's alright, there's nothing wrong with it even if you're technically wrong on something. discussions are fun because there's not a single perspective on life. if everyone thought the same thing, nobody would talk about anything ever, because what's the point. i honestly found myself feeling way better when i stopped responding to everyone i found wrong on some level, technical or moral, too. some opinions you can see are just fueled by negative energy or feelings, there's no point of talking with such people.
Here here!
Unexpected surprise to see Those Who Fear pop up in the vid. Great band, Unholy Anger is still a flawless album.
Hardcore being for “rich jocks” is definitely an over exaggeration but growing up, I knew plenty of angsty suburban kids who were well off that were into Hardcore
Every. Single. Hard-core kid.
theres like 2 scenes the suburban and college kids and then theres the city kids especially here on the east coast who live a kinda harder life
Nail on the head, alot of hardcore kids I knew growing up lived in very nice houses and had the means to acquire merch/vinyl at the drop of a hat
It’s weird af, coming up in New York, the scene had all walks of life. Grew up seeing bands like leeway, killing time, irate, proof of purchase (the latter two in the legit bronx history books), D9, crown of thrones, and “the other side”, like on the might of princes, poison the well, converge, 7 angels 7 plagues, etc etc but what I have noticed is that some of these bands had the bare essentials in gear. Not the ones I mentioned per se, but when I think about the bands I were in and friends who didn’t have a drum kit or a guitar head but bands would lend them out (insane by today standards) but my point is so many of these bands that pioneered metal ore and death core were a lot of rich kids. I know personally some New York bands that came out on big labels in hardcore that were queens/Long Island rich kids having the best gear they either taught themselves and than later to be able to afford private lessons from legendary musicians in the genre, Same with vocalists, BUT the jock thing came because a lot of the bands from the 80s were blue collar men, tattooed everywhere before anything else, and had crews and a family environment and some literally had to live day by day, so I think these jock dudes with money skipped the history lesson and just gain out and literally go for the girls and the style and “attitude” getting it ALL wrong. It’s sad to see. And gross. And also since they banned cigs and booze being even more expensive, clubs do not smell the same so you def get that neck beard “I’ve not left my gaming chair in a month to shower” smell at normal metal shows. The crust punk/hc:whatever core kids are worse than even before smelling like actual feces. Idk how that happened..but it did.!
Growing up in a suburban neighborhood may make you well off, but where is the jock part? Jocks by definition are the cool kids who play sports, they are the top of the social circle in highschool and punks and metalheads are near the bottom.
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I grew up in Newark NJ, in the shadow of NYC. This was the late 80’s and early 90’s when hardcore, punk and metal shows at Pipeline, City Gardens, CBgB, etc… were under $10. ALL INCLUSIVE!!!!
finn staying up late, probably his kid isnt letting him sleep
Man, that I thought that Lakeview band was actually a joke. Wild to see everyone in the chat saying it is good.
I can tell you that in the early 90s upper middle class jocks in the suburbs north of NYC definitely loved straight edge hardcore. It was particularly big in Catholic schools too.
I actually like these people so no hate from me but that might be where this stereotype started.
Finally, something that isn’t nu-metal related.
I couldn't agree more.
You read my mind lol
How dare you!
But! The same repeated tropes it might as well be a Nu-Metal video
This is the 8000th time we’ve heard the “You wouldn’t want to meet a girl and she finds out you have an android phone and Apple Music would you”
Spiel.
Poor Finn man, now that video makes even more sense. He literally just says the same thing every day
Do you watch any of this videos
I've said it before, Finn, but your video on Henry Rollins inadvertently introduced me to Harms Way, and they've quickly become one of my favorite bands of all time. I caught them live last October in Brooklyn, and they absolutely blew me away. I was lucky enough to meet James and the rest of the band after the show, and they were as kind and personable as they were flawless live. I purchased a copy of their lates album Common Suffering on vinyl and the entire band was kind enough to autograph the cover. It was a spectacular experience I will remember for the rest of my life, and it wouldn't have happened if I hadn't seen your video, so thank you!
You are so compassionate finn ....u are the perfect person
The pop punk revival was only big because all the emo rap guys started that wave (but they actually brought their own flavor of originality) but then all the good ones died and these guys had to carry the reigns
This
I foresaw the pop-punk revival fizzling out quickly once I noticed everyone was in a race to hop on the bandwagon. Almost the whole industry changed their sound overnight
Fun video keep them coming Finn!
Father Finn the goat
Ngl, I think that reaction/commentary content never gets old; Finn has the personality and perspective to keep it fresh. Add in the occasional scripted feature, and PRMBA may carry on quite well.
I use Spotify on an Android. Feel so conflicted.
Same
Androids just have way more options tbh. Google Pixel phones, which use an Android OS, are just as expensive but they're way more intuitive and have better features imo.
@@skippy8696 I do wish Androids were more intuitive, but they're so much cheaper than iphones, and have better features. For a while each generation of iphone seemed like a genuine upgrade, but for the last few years only the camera seems to have gotten better. I've never tried a Google Pixel.
Anyone that can take off on a whim to tour the country for years to grow and sustain an actual irl fanbase outside of tiktok most likely has an income stream they didn’t work for. Maybe the reason music doesn’t hold water for more than a cpl years these days is because the margins have shrunk so much since the 2000s that the only people that can afford to call themselves “artists” either have a relative in the industry or their parents pay their bills. How many bands we consider classic today would’ve made it if the dollar menu didn’t exist in the late 90’s - 00’s? Not to mention that venues cutting in to band merch sales is a new-age phenomenon!
Finn can you do tier lists for different metal subgenres pls, starting with thrash metal bands tier list (not just big 4 obvs)
I never got the hate for Doris from SS . Guess that track was always a guilty pleasure of mine.
Man- Finn is a mind reader. Been waiting for a video ab all these hardcore guys being jacked now.
Never forget ab 10 years walking in downtown Rochester NY and a band was moving Their equipment into a venue for a show. In the back of the trailer was the vocalist bench pressing 50 lb dumbbells.
I thought man, hardcore sure has become a vanity show now.
Video topic: “What killed the 2020 pop-punk revival”.
You touched on it a bit here but I know I’d love a deeper dive into this. Also, I’d love an entire video dedicated to new bands that came out of this that you would recommend or are not a fan of!
What bands you may not like, others may love!
I did do a video about that recently!
I've never heard him speak like this. I like the untethered honesty.
Lakeview and Hardy have been my go to for new music lately
The second part of that rich jocks post is completely accurate though. With the possible exception of Ian McKaye no one actually likes listening to Bad Brains as much as they like saying how much they love the band and how influential they were/are.
The only upside to Apple Music is Japanese music without region locking. And it also tells you who wrote a song.
I went with Spotify for the reason of more songs (like remixes) being available. I can get FLACs for the region locked stuff.
As for the iPhone thing, had a 13 Pro Max, didn't like a lot of the software limitations, so I traded it in for a Pixel Fold.
Deftones is Fins favorite band.
And soad
😂 yeah he won't admit it
#facts
That difference in metal and harcore is the same even here in Ecuador! (Finn, dont stop making videos you like, there are a lot of people who really like your persepctive and sense of humor)
Finn, I’m from California and you know the most obscure cities like Dana Point/ Modesto lol.
Modesto isn’t that obscure
@@deathbat93rn i mean for people that don’t live in California it’s pretty unknown.
Okay, so I wasn’t rich or a jock, but my girlfriend was a cheerleader when I fronted a hc band in 2001. I don’t know where everyone’s from, but a lot of the Long Island kids fit that stereotype, though.
Garza talked about this on his podcast with Tallah. Jared dines reaction cost them money.
link plz
13:10- The new bilmuri sounds alot like this..something along the lines of adtr with country lyrics and twang and guitar solos on a steel guitar instead.
Love me some hot takes. Bring em on.
Love this channel
Guitar brands tier list, I know it's low effort content but I want it
This Lakeview song slots right into your Belmont Country Girl tastes
😇
13:28 shout out to Those Who Fear! buncha solid dudes, used to hang with them at all the Pittsburgh hardcore shows back in the day (also, not rich jocks)
HardCore is Biohazard MadBall Merauder HardCore is Underground Music from New York and Skater Hardcore is typically from la for example Excel sometimes it’s from different places
In my experience, the rich jocks where I went to school listened to rap and EDM
Hey bub. Have you considered to use this channel as a preview of what you want to talk about on this channel? Maybe like 1 video hinting at the topic, 1 video of a tierlist on the topic and than the PRMBA video on the topic. Just so you can see if people are interested in the topic. If it doesn't perform well on here means you don't need to do the research for PRMBA. This also means you can have a live reaction to the subject.
I think the "hardcore is for rich jocks" idea may be valid depending on what scene someone is referring to. Finn even considers that it could just be regional. Out here in Utah there is consistently a scene of hardcore where jocks go to shows for the seemingly sole purpose of moshing and getting into fights. This scene was especially popular back in the mid to late 2000s. I don't know if they were all rich, but I knew some of them personally that were definitely very rich.
Finn was ON ONE this episode 😂😂
Real Question: Does the attractive woman go for someone listening to billboard charting music on Apple Music on an Android, or does she go for someone listening to slam on Spotify on an iPhone
Thats a great question
She goes for the higher status man
Slamming grindcore on the latest. Iphone with paid spotify is crazy
@@PaballoKobe-xh9ve ngl I caught myself doing this at the gym and asked myself "wtf am I doing with my life" -- true story
I think Finn is so cool for having such varied tastes in music and playing that Lakeview song which sounds a lot like the country/rock I tend to enjoy the most (reminded me a lot of Brantley Gilbert). But I can’t wait for the day he pulls up a kpop song on stream and exposes all the locals and normies to something like Freak by Yuqi (very Ice Nine Kills mv, highly recommend) or some of Dreamcatcher’s more rock heavy songs. As a kpop fan, yes it absolutely can be cringe, but sometimes that can be a good thing and sometimes it isn’t cringe at all, people are just too close minded to even give it a chance. (Also highly recommend B.A.P. a now disbanded boy group who are phenomenally good.) Anyway thanks for coming to my Ted Talk 🙂
All creators have blocks, I'm sure you'll find a way around it. I always liked your sense of humor and the way you laugh at things. I never had a problem with your content, but I get your concerns about paying the bills and what now.
Welcome to the church of Finn. Great message, father
Thanks Finn - i love these chill shows. Top content that is always enjoyable and anxiety reducing for me. Thanks for your trans support too❤
Jesus Christ that suicide silence song was horrendous
I'm a Death Metal Vocalist and songwriter I agree Metal need more acceptablety !!!! More musical mixing please !!!!
Nah, no thanks. There’s already enough genre mixing in metal. At some point, you’re trying to serve a burger with ice cream on it. Like burgers and ice cream are both good, but in different contexts and never when they’re combined.
@@SurfinTheKaliYuga Well put !!!
My favorite Metal band is KITTIE all girl Death Metal / Nu Metal Epic !!!
We need more culture community social like "F" Evil Hippies !!!
All people all welcome what I meant to say !!!
@@taolinnegar9961I mean, I don’t disagree with that. But the whole “metal is racist/bigoted/whatever” discourse is tired in my opinion. Like it’s dominated by a certain demographic because it appeals more to a certain demographic. Trying to force some sort of postmodernist definition of diversity just doesn’t work with most things. Some people are just naturally drawn to specific things, and those people being heavily represented in that thing’s community isn’t bigotry. Imagine someone saying “there are too many black people in the rap industry, the rap industry is racist.”
Same energy as calling metal racist or sexist.
@@SurfinTheKaliYuga Yeah but that doesn't mean I or anyone, should give up on bringing a new open-minded community, I know Metal is prominently toxic/sexiest/raisist ect...
But as a Second Generation Muso...
My parent's had a band called SnakeShed 80's Acid Rock Blue's Fusion... I won't give up on Metal !!!!
@@SurfinTheKaliYugaWelp just because some white people's bands popularized the genre doesn t mean it s music for white people only...and also, Jimmy hendrix is hugely responsible for getting rock mainstream and he s just one example of other "races" rockers. With this mentality, metal is dead forever
Hello, I would like to have recommendations about DeathCore.
I like Suicide Silence, Lorna Shore?
good lord 😅 the hottest of takes
i love it
i love how you use the andy clip in like every video lmao
I have definitely seen a hypebeast playing bass in a Hardcore band so it's not like zero of those typed. But I'm not really seeing a lot of Hardcore bands headlining at sports' stadiums or getting really big spots in expensive festivals and stuff. The fact that their shows are staying pretty cheap to go to and even just at house, basement garage shows etc is more indicative of who the shows are for than the random maybe rich dude in a band here and there.
Shout out to the Dana point hardcore scene! very cool
Good morning Finn! Have a kick ass day but don’t let your day kick your ass !
The hardcore jock thing goes back to the 80s when football players used to go to shows just to fight. And then when Youth of Today came along, some of them were clean cut jocks, Porcell says he was captain of the football team ect.
I enjoy this current wave of rock flavoured country. It's country without the crimgy stuff.
Finn, this might be a topic for a video on your main channel.
Lakeview is for americans what powermetal is for europeans
Hey Finn, can you say something about Saliva? I think their 1997 album is a nu metal classic
Hey Sarge can you make a whole video about srscore?
Jocks? What about the whole youth crew thing? Slapshot, Ten Yard Fight, etc.
This current "Y’allternative" trend is the exact mixture of music I was listening to as a kid going to motocross races in California (brothers raced, I never got the thrill of being on the bike) and yes, the kind of mom Finn is describing definitely existed at the track in the 2000’s and is currently making a comeback to the mainstream now that the sport is popular again.
Hardcore started in The early 80’s with middle class living in suburbia “white” (still don’t get that inaccurate unscientific USA term) kids, who wanted to rebel because they wanted something interesting and hated living a a conservative bubble (all though they didn’t really get out of their bubble or be cultured/sophisticated, they just stayed in their hardcore- bubble ironically)
Or were very BORED. They were angry for no reason. A lot of hardcore kids back then and still are clean cut highschool and college jock looking. Their outfits. Their short conservative Regan era haircuts of the day. Now a days they have military style fades or something. Still conservative and clean cut. Not hood fades or tapers and line ups too.. even though some try to emulate that shit (wannabes).
I went to those shows at the V.F.W. and American Legion hall's.
Never thought I would hear that choosing Spotify over Apple Music was about the survival of the human species
I love your shirt. I had this shirt has a young kid.
Saddens me so much that the younger gens have zero clue of the best bands which orignated genres. NOT ONE mentioned a band like Minor Threat, Uniform Choice, etc. while talking about Straight Edge in the Chat. Meanwhile, I didn't recognize a single band they were praising. SERIOUSLY makes me very sad. Transfer that to anything. Most of the young gens have zero clue who built what they take for granted today, & the hard work &/or suffering which went into it. Much less how to maintain & actually improve it. It all just appeared like magic, & was always there. Bodes VERY WELL for our future. God, have mercy on, & help us. 😢
Hardcore was our working class anthems.
Lol Finn was vibing with the ironic hot take reactions right up until the rich jock take 😂
Fun fact Jesse and Luke actually work at the bar from the video on top of landscaping/construction while also putting out bangers
Didn't know that!
@08:56 i would say there are 2 scenes almost though the suburban and college kids but they are not rich often just upper middle and middle class then you have the city kids who are into hc and i dont know anymore but in the 90s and early 2000s would have crews and families and were pretty chill but if you messed with them would hand out beatings alot of those kids lived hard lives for real and there are definitely not bands in hardcore who are getting rich thats for damn sure
Here is the thing... :D
HERE'S THE THING
Bro he has to do it at the beginning too caught me off guard almost choked on my food 🤣 boss man about to find me dead
Here’s the thing reference will
Never get old 😂😂😂😂
do you have something against beards?
Hardcore as a music genre is not about rich jocks.
I agree with Finn on this one.
Hardcore music is working class art, and I dare say, anti-jock.
There is alot of muscle heads and martial artists in the hardcore scene. Are they really jocks?
Who's the guy catching shots at 16:07 ?
1:40 I feel personally attacked 😂😂 I use Deezer, but on my MacBook and iPhone lol but I also have an excuse, as an audio engineer, I use the flac and lossless files for system tuning lol should I get Spotify too then?! Lol
we were all poor and we all loved hardcore
split parents, left home by 16, working under table, some on the way to addiction, 80% quit school or got GED, no cars just get on a bus to that hard core show out near the storage unit in an industrial area