The patch cards are not sold separately because overwhelming majority of the changes are about integrating the new mechanisms of Horizons into the old decks and common cards where appropriate, and doing some fine tuning while we were at it. Classics and Legends were quite playable before this pack, with only two decks out of 16 teetering on the edge of too-weak/too-strong.
Right. Someone getting the patch cards without Horizons (say from someone who gets horizons with no intentions of ever getting C/L), will lack the goods tokens.
Is there an errata on BGG if we want updated balanced factions but aren’t ready to buy Horizons yet? Perfectly willing to toss these errata’s cards when I finally do buy Horizons
Thanks for taking the time to look into Imperium Horizons. The trader civilisations need the trader expansion module because they have trading baked into their design. We tried to give a trader feel to the Carthaginians in Imperium Classics - but to go any further it needed more mechanisms, hence the trader module (and in the pack for Classics/Legends you mention we have some cards for Carthage to bring it more in line with the new traders).
If on your first play of the cultist deck you also had mental power to consider trade strategies, then you'd be doing a feat most of our testers couldn't pull off for a while. I still can't 😁. But try playing the Carthaginians or the Mauryans -- they are not trading decks, yet have a lot of reasons to want to interact with the trade routes when given the opportunity. 14:45 And we spent a lot of effort (and fun) making the bots interact with you through the trade routes. You definitely should give it some chance...
I have played Romans (Classics) twice with Horizons solo Practice mode rules. And it’s really great! ❤ Finally a deck builder where cards are used very creatively. 🤘 I can’t wait to try out other Classics and Legends decks, and I have a strong feeling that I will order Horizons soon 🙂 At the moment it will be enough to explore decks in Practice mode. But how are other solo players feeling about Practice mode vs Horizons solo bot? What are pros and cons? Does competing against bot opens up a lot of new possibilities and things to try out with your deck?
Competing against no one and practicing is just that, practicing. You become familiar with the deck with no pressure except for time. Against the Ai they sort of play out their theme, but it's still very much a race through their deck and this applies pressure to your play. The AI has no hang us as far as developing and it banks a lot of points. You'll likely lose a couple times if you don't know how a particular deck works and that's probably a plus for the game overall.
Great review and points! I recommend giving solo a try. It is very smooth once you get the rules down. I think this game just takes a few plays to understand the brilliance of the mechanics they incorporated. Agreed on the storage solution! i actually unsleeved the cards after having issues.
I enjoyed Classics & Legends. Thanks for all the great info on Horizons! Appreciate hearing your thoughts on the insert, card pack & rulebook improvements too because I was wondering about those things.
Appreciate this review. I had heard of the first two Imperium games, but for some reason never really looked into them. Now, from watching another Horizons video, I just found out that this series is by David Turczi and Nigel Buckle, and I'm suddenly, extremely interested, and trying to watch everything I can. David is one of my top favorite designers, and I feel like their combo may become one of my favorite design teams, so had I noticed that before, I would have paid more attention from the beginning. I do like the idea of the trading module in this for that little bit of extra, positive player interaction, but I think I'll take your advice and start with Classics and then probably add this later. I do play a good amount of solo, so it would probably be worth it to get this eventually for the better solo cards, and more options.
This game… is special. The complexity and thematic integration are incredible. This will (no pun intended) go down in gaming history as one of the greatest thematic game designs of all time.
Osprey Games' inserts man... I know most publishers don't give second thought to inserts, but the pain after sleeving Undaunted and none of it fitting stock insert was a real pain. Seeing and hearing it's still an issue with this (esp being a newer release after first wave feedback) is just nuts. It's cheaper for us to pay extra few bucks for improved insert than finding a storage solution.
I, for one, really do appreciate your willingness to include the negatives and things that bothered you, along with the positives. A lot of board games journalism these days are just extra marketing. The willingness to be constructively critical means that I can trust you as a voice (which I do!).
Hey i'll always give my opnion on games, but you do have to highlight both sides of the coin when clearly in this case I love the game. My job is not to tell anyone to go buy anything, but to make sure my reviews are fair with a clear message of my opinion on my experience. Thanks for watching
Honestly, the fact they still have issues with the storage insert of the cards, given sleeving is almost a must due to the game genre and card stock quality, means I will give it a miss. Im not paying for something extra when a good box design could have solved these issues. Thanks for the informative review
The insert is going to get tossed first thing for me. A couple pieces of foamcore glued together and I will have everything for all 3 boxes sleeved and in one box. Just waiting on Gamenerdz :)
Thanks Jeremy for your perspective! Like I would have done, you spent so much initial time with criticisms and caveats, but added: "with that being said, I still feel like this is a great game. It is one of my favorite card games of all time. It is right up there with some of the highest. . . . . As someone who plays solo, this is the ultimate." I can't agree more. There are so many caveats that I would tell others about this game (mainly because I don't want people to stumble into a miserable experience). But, even still, this game is so great if it fits one's gaming taste. Thanks again!
Great insight and review, as always 😁 I've nearly bought Classics and Legends so many times but I have always gone with other options, when Horizons came out I knew it was time .....I bought all 3 last week, I'm starting with Classics with the Horizons rule book, the steep learning curve is not an issue, looking forward to some asymmetric joy. I will be ditching all the inserts, absolutely rubbish for sleeved cards!
Imperium: X is a 1-2 player game. A masterpiece solo or with a fast player opponent to me. Ideally you and a friend dive deep togheter into this to try out factions. I see no reason to play many players (litterlly just adding extra playtime for 95%+ the same game). if you like history you will love the factions. The variation and replayablity is huge in big box like the new one. If you like solo boardgames Imperium: X is a must have.
I had Classics and thought it was a really interesting game, but the play length was hard to get over, so I parted ways with it. I sort of wish I had given it more plays before deciding. I would love to see a digital implementation!
we should notice that Osprey asks for a very high price and they didn't even bother to the design a decent inlay. Also while it's a very good game it overstays its welcome at least over 30min (if not 1hour!) and they doesnt seem to have streamlined the experience.
The tray does come up short for sure. I haven't played enough to make the call on it overstaying its welcome, but that can be a subjective thing depending on the player. (David)
We had 3-4 hr sessions with 4 players, often newcomers. Most didn't want to come back. We can judge everything as subjective but when in the end you're playing alone that doesn't fix things. At least here is a community pro tip for the Classic inlay: You can cut the corners of the card sections, then you have "flaps" that open up and even hold the cards when sleaved, nicely.
Quick question ; How shorter version for solo play, is it that short ? I know ive read many post on BBG they would prefer it they could shorter solo time play.
The patch cards are not sold separately because overwhelming majority of the changes are about integrating the new mechanisms of Horizons into the old decks and common cards where appropriate, and doing some fine tuning while we were at it. Classics and Legends were quite playable before this pack, with only two decks out of 16 teetering on the edge of too-weak/too-strong.
Right. Someone getting the patch cards without Horizons (say from someone who gets horizons with no intentions of ever getting C/L), will lack the goods tokens.
Is there an errata on BGG if we want updated balanced factions but aren’t ready to buy Horizons yet? Perfectly willing to toss these errata’s cards when I finally do buy Horizons
Thanks for taking the time to look into Imperium Horizons. The trader civilisations need the trader expansion module because they have trading baked into their design. We tried to give a trader feel to the Carthaginians in Imperium Classics - but to go any further it needed more mechanisms, hence the trader module (and in the pack for Classics/Legends you mention we have some cards for Carthage to bring it more in line with the new traders).
I truly appreciate this design and all the hard work both of you put into your games.
Thank you for the thoughtful and balanced review, still glad you love the game so much!
If on your first play of the cultist deck you also had mental power to consider trade strategies, then you'd be doing a feat most of our testers couldn't pull off for a while. I still can't 😁. But try playing the Carthaginians or the Mauryans -- they are not trading decks, yet have a lot of reasons to want to interact with the trade routes when given the opportunity. 14:45
And we spent a lot of effort (and fun) making the bots interact with you through the trade routes. You definitely should give it some chance...
I have played Romans (Classics) twice with Horizons solo Practice mode rules. And it’s really great! ❤ Finally a deck builder where cards are used very creatively. 🤘 I can’t wait to try out other Classics and Legends decks, and I have a strong feeling that I will order Horizons soon 🙂
At the moment it will be enough to explore decks in Practice mode. But how are other solo players feeling about Practice mode vs Horizons solo bot? What are pros and cons? Does competing against bot opens up a lot of new possibilities and things to try out with your deck?
Competing against no one and practicing is just that, practicing. You become familiar with the deck with no pressure except for time. Against the Ai they sort of play out their theme, but it's still very much a race through their deck and this applies pressure to your play. The AI has no hang us as far as developing and it banks a lot of points. You'll likely lose a couple times if you don't know how a particular deck works and that's probably a plus for the game overall.
Great review and points! I recommend giving solo a try. It is very smooth once you get the rules down. I think this game just takes a few plays to understand the brilliance of the mechanics they incorporated. Agreed on the storage solution! i actually unsleeved the cards after having issues.
I enjoyed Classics & Legends. Thanks for all the great info on Horizons! Appreciate hearing your thoughts on the insert, card pack & rulebook improvements too because I was wondering about those things.
That's a great complement. I want this review to be informative.
Appreciate this review. I had heard of the first two Imperium games, but for some reason never really looked into them. Now, from watching another Horizons video, I just found out that this series is by David Turczi and Nigel Buckle, and I'm suddenly, extremely interested, and trying to watch everything I can. David is one of my top favorite designers, and I feel like their combo may become one of my favorite design teams, so had I noticed that before, I would have paid more attention from the beginning. I do like the idea of the trading module in this for that little bit of extra, positive player interaction, but I think I'll take your advice and start with Classics and then probably add this later. I do play a good amount of solo, so it would probably be worth it to get this eventually for the better solo cards, and more options.
This will definitely be your flavor. Masterful solo play
Thanks for the review Jeremy! Just got classics. Can’t wait to dive in.
This game… is special. The complexity and thematic integration are incredible. This will (no pun intended) go down in gaming history as one of the greatest thematic game designs of all time.
Really useful review. Thank you.
Thank you
Osprey Games' inserts man... I know most publishers don't give second thought to inserts, but the pain after sleeving Undaunted and none of it fitting stock insert was a real pain. Seeing and hearing it's still an issue with this (esp being a newer release after first wave feedback) is just nuts. It's cheaper for us to pay extra few bucks for improved insert than finding a storage solution.
Some publisher have "good intentions" but not for people who sleeve
@@meeple Sleevers spend money let's be honest. We're the good guys deserving better intentions.
Appreciate the review, especially suggestion to try out Classics before jumping into the big Horizons box to see if I gel with the game
Thank you. I always want people to make sound purchasing choices.
I enjoy this style of review. Also useful info although I was already sure I was getting part 3 at some point.
I highly reccommend
Great review! Very thorough and helpful, thanks!
I, for one, really do appreciate your willingness to include the negatives and things that bothered you, along with the positives. A lot of board games journalism these days are just extra marketing. The willingness to be constructively critical means that I can trust you as a voice (which I do!).
Hey i'll always give my opnion on games, but you do have to highlight both sides of the coin when clearly in this case I love the game. My job is not to tell anyone to go buy anything, but to make sure my reviews are fair with a clear message of my opinion on my experience. Thanks for watching
Great review. Clearly you love the game, but still give an honest review of several shortcomings in the product.
That's the way I'll always be. Thanks for watching the channel
Honestly, the fact they still have issues with the storage insert of the cards, given sleeving is almost a must due to the game genre and card stock quality, means I will give it a miss. Im not paying for something extra when a good box design could have solved these issues. Thanks for the informative review
The insert is going to get tossed first thing for me. A couple pieces of foamcore glued together and I will have everything for all 3 boxes sleeved and in one box. Just waiting on Gamenerdz :)
Looks like everyone is figuring it out. I just wanted a cool solution that looked pretty
@@meeple totally agree! Always better to not have to McGyver things.
Thanks Jeremy for your perspective!
Like I would have done, you spent so much initial time with criticisms and caveats, but added: "with that being said, I still feel like this is a great game. It is one of my favorite card games of all time. It is right up there with some of the highest. . . . . As someone who plays solo, this is the ultimate."
I can't agree more. There are so many caveats that I would tell others about this game (mainly because I don't want people to stumble into a miserable experience). But, even still, this game is so great if it fits one's gaming taste.
Thanks again!
I worry about folks biting off more than they can chew on this one, but it's too good to me to be all shy about. great design
Great insight and review, as always 😁 I've nearly bought Classics and Legends so many times but I have always gone with other options, when Horizons came out I knew it was time .....I bought all 3 last week, I'm starting with Classics with the Horizons rule book, the steep learning curve is not an issue, looking forward to some asymmetric joy. I will be ditching all the inserts, absolutely rubbish for sleeved cards!
I would say wait til you get the Horizons rulebook or print it off bgg fir the most clarity to start out.
Once you learn the “system,” getting that cognitive ease with it, the game really opens up.
Also, Porcupine Tree is an amazing band :)
Thank you for your thoughts.
thanks for watching
Thanks for your review, i liked it ! I wait the french Horizons in 2025....
Thanks for the rich review. Do you think Horizons as good starting point for Imperium series?
It has good starting civilizations as well as more complex ones. It’s a great place to start
Horizons has a good roster of civs. They have a go range of skill level, I would feel more comfortable recommending classics, simply because of price.
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@@meeple Thank you both, I'm thinking about this for a very long time.
@@jakubcigan814 gamenerdz Ou’s selling it for only fifty bucks
Imperium: X is a 1-2 player game. A masterpiece solo or with a fast player opponent to me. Ideally you and a friend dive deep togheter into this to try out factions.
I see no reason to play many players (litterlly just adding extra playtime for 95%+ the same game).
if you like history you will love the factions. The variation and replayablity is huge in big box like the new one. If you like solo boardgames Imperium: X is a must have.
Loved your Review style
I appreciate this. I hope you come back for our next review
Awesome review, really appreciate this! Thank you!
Thanks for watching
I had Classics and thought it was a really interesting game, but the play length was hard to get over, so I parted ways with it. I sort of wish I had given it more plays before deciding. I would love to see a digital implementation!
The horizon got shorten turn ver introduced, hope u enjoy!
I would love to see a digital representation of this game! OMG that would be sweet
@@meeple it has potential to become a top game on BGA.
we should notice that Osprey asks for a very high price and they didn't even bother to the design a decent inlay.
Also while it's a very good game it overstays its welcome at least over 30min (if not 1hour!) and they doesnt seem to have streamlined the experience.
The tray does come up short for sure. I haven't played enough to make the call on it overstaying its welcome, but that can be a subjective thing depending on the player. (David)
We had 3-4 hr sessions with 4 players, often newcomers. Most didn't want to come back. We can judge everything as subjective but when in the end you're playing alone that doesn't fix things.
At least here is a community pro tip for the Classic inlay:
You can cut the corners of the card sections, then you have "flaps" that open up and even hold the cards when sleaved, nicely.
I don‘t Care on the storage. I want more cultures . And we play on 1vs1 or solo. It’s one of our top10
Great review!
Loving the hair, man!
Thank you
Quick question ; How shorter version for solo play, is it that short ? I know ive read many post on BBG they would prefer it they could shorter solo time play.
15 min per player
I would say in a 4 player game about 15 to 20 min per player
Whats the game you have above Apiary?
celtic