Star Trek Imponderables #1: Continuity Errors!
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Star Trek Imponderables - celebrating 45 years of Star Trek continuity errors! This is episode 1, be sure to check out 2 and 3 as well!
I've seen a few similar efforts online, but they were geared too much toward
If Voyagers crew can build whole shuttles from scratch, i'm sure that they can build torpedoes from scratch.
Agreed. I think the problem was they could not spare power to manufacture anything other than the necessary stuff for ship maintenance and repair. But by the time they fired more than their 38th torpedo and made new shuttles, they were well past those power concerns. Their main concerns were external threats not internal ones like power.
This. They had no way to replace them after they were gone at the TIME, but they've, in that time, encountered plenty of sources of antimatter for the reaction for the torpedoes, and plenty of raw resource sources throughout the quadrant. Their resources have always been LIMITED, due to a lack of charting and sources of energy, and at the time, they were even moreso, but yeah, this is just quibbling over nothing.
@@TacComControl Seven of Nine's Borg tech-inspired astrometrics would have helped a lot with charting the quadrant and getting resources.
@@kanebunce3791 Exactly. Voyager's stellar cartography was crap prior to that point, and Harry probably started that project specifically for that purpose. Seven's augmentation and understanding probably made a HUGE difference.
@@TacComControl They certainly made a big deal over how the astrometrics lab was a big upgrade on the previous stellar cartography and many times we saw her find things that neither Tuvok, Harry or Tom knew about with ordinary sensors, including resources.
All errors are the result of Q.
Teir Shadowfall so that means that Q was in the original series, and he messed up picard's database as well, so he got an inaccurate reading of humans
sure. or by the tribbles...
OK, in defense of the D7 error, Klingons don't scuttle or mothball their ships when the decommission them. They keep them until they break beyond repair, or are destroyed in combat.
MrBoom532 glad im not the only one who recalls that, also the D7 classes in ds9 are retrofit variants
MrBoom532 ...plus they're K'tinga's, not D7's. They used the wrong model in Voyager, it was meant to be the TOS era Klingon ship, not the movie era one.
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Is that right? I didn't know that.
there were alot of model use mistakes actross the shows, someone could do a video of all the times the wrong ship model was used...
en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/D7_class#Inconsistencies and www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/klingon-battlecruiser.htm will confirm it :)
"loving my retirement" LOLLL
Klingons don't retire they die in glorious battle! Same w/ their ships!
+streamlinedtrains Only problem is the guy who made this video was incorrect about them being D7s. The ships in the DS9 episode were an updated variant of the D7 or a D8/ K'tinga if you will. The proof is that the new variant replaced the forward torpedo launchers of the D7 class with a forward Phaser Emitter.
American Eagle Actually they are called the D-7M (probably for modernised) class & are much more heavily armed than the original D-7 from TOS.
+Jean-Luc Martel K'tinga is the class name, D7M are the classes from the TMP movies.
How Dare you impune the honour of my Klingon ship knowledge!
Too many series, too many writers each write they own shit and NOT watching the other shows.
Terry Wilson LOL!
+Sophia Wilson The one guy who could have kept it all together died.
+Terry Wilson (featherwinglove) Actually, you can blame writer Damon Lindelof for Prometheus, of course I don't have to remind Star Trek fans of his other handiwork: Into Darkness. Needless to say, Scott has seen to it that he chose the next writer with care for Alien: Covenant. Unlike Star Trek and Star Wars, Alien adapts.
Oh and Cameron is now doing 4 sequels for Avatar. Which I'm cool with since he's been planning these movies since the 70s (and being the master of sequels, I think we're in for a treat). He also plans to make a movie in the vein of Blade Runner.
+Terry Wilson (featherwinglove) I'd reserve judgment of Avatar until the next movie. As Cameron is the master of sequels (really no director has had his success except Sam Raimi) I believe that the next installment will be better. Cameron is also a perfectionist (sorry, "rightist") and has never made a bad nor unsuccessful film so excuse me if my confidence in his skills are well invested.
Prometheus was rough, but it was way more watchable than Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection combined. Ridley Scott is one of those directors that has something called talent, as in even if the movie was a flop, it will still look incredible. Plus, after the success of his recent sci-fi film The Martian, I'd say Alien: Covenant is in good hands. Scott is not a writer, but he is a gifted artist in the realm of directing.
yeh, just like Abrams, he never watched anything Star Trek before he did his crappy reboot movies and he made up shit as he went along.
The biggest one with me is the use of the Enterprise insignia. Before Kirk became a legend, the official symbol of Starfleet was a stretched out star and each ship had its own specific insignia (The Enterprise had the "A" shaped one we all know so well today). At some point after Kirk's death (I believe) the insignia of the Enterprise was adopted to represent all of Starfleet, yet in the new movies, the Enterprise insignia is all over the place (most prominently on those big windows at Starfleet headquarters) before Kirk was even captain of a ship.
Regarding the A-shaped Enterprise insignia. I have seen it once referred to as a *comet* - which makes a lot more sense. :-)
I always thought the standard insignia was suppose to be an arrowhead. Like shooting for the stars or something.
Nope in fact go to star trek online and start as a character from TOS. In my character customization I have 100 different badges and 50 of them are from the original series from ships like the USS antares to the USS Paladin (which has a knight mask instead of kirks) and many more some are shaped in circles. One is shaped as vulcans arrow symbol. One is even a sun but they all have "23century name of ship, here plus medical engineering etc." So many it's really cool! You can kinda see an evolution
And they are ALL come from all the shows so it's not just beta but alpha canon.
If you watch Star Trek Continues, in the final episode, Starfleet decided to adopt the enterprise logo for all of Starfleet.
@David C. No it wasn't that was a complete myth with no basis in reality. The only source for thsi claim is pure speculation and false claims by YT haters like Midnightsedge etc.
The only thing that Paramount owned was the the ongoing right to make movies based on Star Trek IP. They had control over the movie franchise. CBS was the actual owner of Star Trek branding and IP. Paramount effectively licensed the IP from owner (CBS). The Viacom split was technically only on paper as the prvious Viacom changed it's name to CBS International and a new spin off company named Viacom was created on paper.
There was no 25% different rule or anything idiotic that some people claim. The change in look, style and things like the the delta badge been used were purely aesthetic and to make it have it's own modern style so it was contemporary as well as to create a new franchise.
These same imbcils claimed that CBS themselves had to make Discovery it 25% different to previous Treks for copyright which is obviously absurd as CBS OWN the copyright. They have no legal reason to not use their own IP and proved this latr when they showed flashbacks to TOS. All the new looks and tech is because it's a modern show, more budget, differnt production styles etc.
6:41 Well... who knows what happened in the turbolift ;)
As.fot the hole in space ?, maybe Kirk never reported it.
Maybe Kirk never put the hole I n space in his log book for who would believe it?. Or maybe it was not recorded.
Star Trek 5, Kirk's white shirt is on backwards, the shirt zips up the back. Look at his collar. It's slightly open.
In early TNG episodes in Picard's quarters, there's an Enterprise refit model painted gold on the same shelf where the Stargazer model would be later. This was an early concept of what the Stargazer was going to be before it was redesigned.
I can at least explain the first one. When Janeway said they didn't have a way to replace their torpedoes, that was probably true *AT THAT TIME*. Just because it's true then, doesn't mean they never ran into a civilization that makes comparable weapons later on. Janeway didn't know what she was going to encounter yet. Voyager ran into plenty of friendly alien species with technology comparable to theirs, allowing them to replenish their torpedoes in exhange for other goods.
Enterprise (NX-01) takes place in the timeline before both TOS and the JJ Abrams movies - so it makes sense that crewmembers of the NX-01 might not understand Romulan, even though it might be understood in TOS and the JJ Abrams movies.
Some things you neglected to notice
1 The Nova class fed ship had over 500 torps, which were transferred to Voyager before the ship went rogue.
2 just because the feds had cloaks in the past, doesnt mean they have them years later. It is quite likely that the Klingon cardi alliance destroyed the fed cloak ships.
3 chekov's age in the alternate universe is easily explained. The act of Nero being there, and destroying the ship (I dont remember the name) likely caused many people strife on earth, and likely caused many babies to be born. (distraught people often turn to physical fun to relieve stress and despair.)
4 Yeah, this was just a screwup. lol
5 quite likely the event in TOS was classified, and buried.
6 Phasers come in a wide varity. Most do not have a wide field in TNG and after, because the potential for friendly fire is great, and would NEVER be a feature on a Phaser Rifle
7 nero's ear is simply a error on the part of the makeup artiest
8 The cartoon is not cannon.
9 Just like Chinese similar to Japanese, yet most Chinese can not speak Japanese and vise-versa.
10 the badge is still there. Notice at the start of your clip, it can not be seen, but seems to appear out of thin air? it is because of reflection.
11 You arent thinking in 4 dimensions. The future Enterprise didnt start the beam, but it did finish it.
12 Another costume error.
13 If you will remember, in the later years of ENT the Klingons were getting more and more bold with their attacks on Starfleet.
14 In TOS, the concept of Warp speed was undefined. Since TNG there has been a standard. Nothing past warp 9.999. In ToS they often go past warp 15 when the plot required it.
15 What you see at DS9 are not D7's they are D9's. any google search will tell you that.
But wouldn't they have the technology to create new cloak field generators?
***** No. All the fed cloaks were "Donated" by the Romulins.
The feds only had one cloak that they built themselves, and it caused a massive accident on Riker's prev ship. (I dont remember the name) with the loss of all hands save for the Captain and Riker.
TAS is currently canon Star Trek. And it has been since 2007. There was a time of great debate however, and that time starts in 1988.
To make this simple. Gene Roddenberry refuses TAS as canon in 1988. People are mad because they worked very hard on TAS and don't understand his decision. He is making TNG at this point and is pretty much "banned" from getting anywhere near the movies (being made by Paramount). But WIlliam Shatner, trying to stay close to the origins of Star Trek and trying to respect Roddenberrys wishes makes a clear statement that TAS never happened.
In short, the 2007 decision to make TAS canon created this continuity error :)
It should also be noted that the Feds have never had cloaking tech as standard, except in the mirror universe. By the time Feds in the nomral universe got around to thinking about making a cloaking device, they'd already signed an agreement not to with the Romulans.
And T'Pols probably never seen a Romulan, let alone heard their language, they left Vulcan centuries before ENT didn't they?
William Signs
Ummmmmm.......You seem to e the fanatic one here. And very few of those points are 'lies'. Examples being the Klingons getting more agressive, and the badge disapearing due to the way light hits it.
Much like a fanatical, you've skimmed the writing, and made a slap-dash, generalized judgement on everything listed without giving some form of reasoned argument why the points are wrong. Except for point 1. You actually made a reasoned argument there, before all sense and comprehension of argument left you.
First contact with the Klingons did lead to war. They wanted Archer's ass on a pike but never got it. Archer always got out of trouble by the skin of his teeth.
'Loving my retirement'! That was pretty funny.
1. The Star Trek Encyclopedia clearly shows that warp speeds were measured differently in TOS than from TNG-onwards.
2. The D7 cruiser was indeed retired decades before the 2370s, and it is K't'inga class ships we encounter beginning with ST:TMP and continuing on through VOY.
The K'tinga is also known as the D-9 for that very reason :)
Warp speeds in TOS are way slower.
Actually it's Lyta from Babylon 5. The Klingon ships in DS9 are K'Tinga class vessels. Not the D7.
I can't even say that escalated quickly, you were already predisposed to hating Star Trek. What made you so passionate about something so infinitesimal. Shouldn't you be hating on the Pony fandom instead :P
D7 and K'tinga look the same but are not the same ship, D7 was longer and much older.
I'll second the OP. This was known canon before DS9 came about. The first instance of a K'Tinga class showing up is ST The Motion Picture. The bridge sections are different, and so is a lot of the detailing.
NERD FTW!
K'Tinga is a refit D7.
K'Tinga is to the D7 what they Enterprise of TMP is to the Constitution from TOS. A heavily refit ship for a new era. The BoP saw the same thing happen from the B'Rel class to the K'Vort and others, Worf mentions at least 2 or 3 other classes of Bird of Prey, all looking pretty much the same. A real world example would be the rather large number of different "classes" of submarines the US navy had in WW2, most of them had only slight differences to their appearance but had lots of differences in the machinery and arrangements. With that in mind, the D7 is the retired battlecruiser of the TOS era, the K'Tinga is the aging but still active cruiser that replaced the D7.
2:43 "Where Silence Has Lease" - I got out of my chair and screamed at the TV when this scene played.
K'Tinga Cruisers have different variants, DS9 ones were not D7. The basic hull design matches, but ship configuration, systems etc are different. Tuvok referred to the power signature of the ship prior to stating it was a D7.
Don't worry about the continuity errors in Abram's Star Trek. It's not real Trek to begin with.
+David Alan Gay That's right buddy!!!
+David Alan Gay I think it will end up being a dream one of the Jedi Knights wakes from
+AZ Outcast Hey, JJ can't take all the credit, he likes to take his pal Damon Lindelof along for the ride too.
+David Alan Gay No it is. You just live in the past. JJ wanted to put his own artistic vision to the star trek universe. So why don't you take your close minded comments and shove em.
Nicholas Wicht Sorry, freedom of expression and my right to voice an opinion. Suffer.
I thought Voyager replenished its torpedoes when they captured that Cardassian planet killing missile.
hokie1901 nope... they WERE going to replenish from scuttling it, but the torpedo was faking shut down and they ended up destroying it.
LOL that's funny!! I noticed some of these errors but never realized that there were so many!! Good work!
Plot holes and continuity errors aside, Trek is still the best show ever!
Love the music remixes on this video!
The Pasteur was destroyed before any of the ships started emitting a tachyon pulse. All three *were* from the Enterprise.
This has nothing to do with continuity, just a funny observation that I made the other day. On the pilot episode, "The Cage", Mr. Spok can be seen limping along right after they first beam down to the surface on Talos IV. So much for modern medicine in 2254!
When Star Trek V's script was written, Gene had declared most of TAS non-canon. When Kirk says "No ship has ever gone there" that was right at the time.
I’ve been on a Voyager kick lately and started watching The Orville. And just discovered these awesome videos. It’s suddenly a great time for my Trek fandom!
Pretty good video overall, I liked the static and VCR type tracking errors in between each point.
Nero's ear is probably due to editing. A lot of times studio editors will reverse an image to make the framing look better than the way it was shot - having the bad guy or the good guy be on one side of the frame or the other, instead of the way the stupid director shot it.
The tachyon pulse thing from All Good Things, I always chalked up to the fact that Data was the one that decided on what frequency, amplitude, modulation, etc. to set them up with in the first place, and despite one of them coming from the Pasteur, they would all be exactly the same in every way that matters. To Data, it looks like there are three Enterprises because he isn't imagining that there are two other Datas working in concert with him to solve the same problem.
The cartoon series isnt entirely canon as I recall
+Grag Hasseblut Used to not be. It is now. Evidently the executives changed their mind.
Rprince418 Never heard of this change
Grag Hasseblut I read about it at first on the TAS Wikipedia page. Then I followed it up with other articles.
Rprince418 I'd recommend you link statements of tas being canon in the rest of the Star Trek continuum
+Grag Hasseblut
Anything can be canon if you want it to be, its fiction after all.
Good stuff! I'm a huge Trek fan and these mistakes crack me up!
That "loving my retirement" is probably the best line i have read in months..goddamn was funny.
The D7 point out killed me
XD
but in DS9 it's the D9's being used not the D7's
Shadow Hunt 005 Yeah but still it was pretty funny
Isn't their name the K'Tinga class, an upgraded D7.?
Ginger Boy-Watkins Yes they are the K'Tinga class.
Okey
the last error is not a error, they are two different class:the d7 and the k'tinga
You're right that they are 2 different types of ship, but there was an error. The script called for a D7 but the model used was a K'tinga. For some reason they couldn't use the D7 model and the script was never changed. If I recall they said they wanted to used the D7 model from Trials and Tribble-ations but for some whatever reason they couldn't.
The D7M-class better known as the K't'inga-class was one of the series of D7-class Klingon Battlecruisers in use around the time of the 23rd century. The D7M is longer and has more weapons.
The Enterprise trolling still set to the 8bit tune made me laugh out. Well done.
Also, Pat Tallman attacking Garret Wang with giant stationary is priceless. :D
Those are t d7s, they are k'tingas
William Signs ones bigger than the other has considerbly more detail and is the flagship of chancellor Gordon. the other being the d7 is small grey and has little to no surface detail.
Jamie Gray Actually aren't d7s slightly bigger than k'tingas? Or was that just an error?
SueDonym no the k'tinga is the larger ship.
You are correct, however after the disasterous attack on the founders homeworld and the following klingon invasion of cardassia. the D7 was unretired for immediate military service.
Which happens all the time in the Star trek universe. Why else would the federation be using excelsior class and miranda class vessels at wolf 359 and sacrifice of angels. There is no reason to use ships that are 100 years old unless they are needed cause Intrepid and Galaxy class star ships took too long to build
Anytime something doesn't make sense just remember, a wizard did it.
i am a total Trek fan and LOVE when these are pointed out!..lol
Love the little comments scattered throughout the battle between the Klingon D7 cruisers and DS9...and not to mention the battle itself. The way they armed the station to the gills and fought so fiercely is one of my favorite moments. Tons of phaser blasts from pylon strips and torpedoes being shot from those spinning turrets...love it.
I can only chuckle at the anomalies of warp speed levels. At times they follow the exponential scale, while other times it's like the crews performed the old Looney Tunes trick of writing more numbers on their speedometers, and instantly made their ships leap to warp 10-13 or more.
It's a big galaxy, and a handful of writers can be forgiven for allowing those little oopsies...
according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, The Animated Series is non-canonical.
PAT Warner But according to Memory Alpha it is. :)
It may not be canon, but it is still an official series
TAS seems to have been "promoted" to canon in recent times.
Gene Roddenberry stated TAS was not canon since he was alive when ST5 was created it sticks. Nowdays CBS just does whatever the frak it wants hence we have shit like the JJ movies and Discovery.
Star Trek: The Animated Series is not considered Trek canon.
Yes it is. Anything on film from official sources, including TAS, is canon.
5:15
"You were there...you were there...you were there"
I nearly died laughing.
On the D7: perhaps at the time Voyager left they HAD been retired, but as soon as the Klingons went to war, they recomissioned them, the same way the Federation commonly used the Miranda class which in TNG was once mentioned as a transport ship, or the excelsior, both being equally old.
I think Voyagers Torpedoes numbers can be explained by Voyager trading stuff for spare torpedoes to, raiding abandoned ship hulks, to even having someone make torpedoes for them for a price in materials or goods. Its kinda theorized by the time Voyager reached Earth she was actually no longer even close to her original design specs or even to modern federation specs for her class and indeed was probably as strong or stronger then the federation battle cruisers like the galaxy or sovereigns. Its possible at some point her crew fitted her with equipment that allowed her to make a limited amount of torpedoes at a given time. We know she carried Borg tech on her after her actions against the Borg and species 8472 the Undine So its completely possible at that point she became self-sufficient in creating her own weapons needing only material to collect and produce.
If only we got to SEE all that interesting stuff.
I would buy that, if they had shown it. It's a very good explanation.
That's Voyager's main problem. They had all these cool things they could have explored with a lone federation ship surviving by itself. What would the crew have to accomplish to make survival possible? Trade deals, incorporating new technology, bend Starfleet's rules, make sacrifices... but nooooo, there was almost no imagination put into it. I still like the series but it could have been so much more.
Seriously, just enjoy the show, it's never been about being 100% accurate, lol. Just enjoy the ride!
I do!
"Here I am, loving my retirement" *Explosion* I am cracking up!
Rofl, I had to laugh really hard when the D7 klingon cruiser said "loving my retirement" hahahaha! 9:28
you can't count the tacion pulse one -he said its as if plus data in all 3 time lines set it up so if he set it up it would be the same way i don't see that as an error
+Chaosmage42 tachyon
im bad with names
+Chaosmage42
Me two
+Marty Moose
Me three
hold on thats not what he said he said and you even pointed it out "its as if all three orginated from the enterprise " not that they are coming from the enterprise which brings up what i said i dont think its fair to count that one as its not technically wrong -yes there are errors and i find them hillarous but that ones not really an error thats why im bring it up. also fundimentalist trekkies is kinda rude look i love star trek but im not going to pretend it doesn't have flaws -like enterprise or most of voyager or the later deep space nine episodes. tv shows can't all be perfect =at any rate my point is i think this ones not an error as its not say it is but that its as if and my point about it still holds up.
The D7-Ckass Klingon cruisers, while they were retired decades ago, doesn't mean that the Klingons would just entirely stop using them.
"Loving my retirement" was probably my favourite part, made me laugh out loud there for a few moments.
It's normal to found errors... the Star Trek franchise include hundreds of episodes (from many different series) and writen by many many different writers and recorded with different technicians (costumes, decors etc). We must not forget that it's fictionnal, but even if there's a few mistakes who been made, the "Star Trek universe" is real huge and fairly continuous. Cool video =P
1) So they found a way to replace them eventually.
2) Zek is an idiot
3) The reboots don't count. You could make a whole movie worth of pointing out what's wrong with those.
4) Shatner directed that one... hmmm... yeah that ones pretty shameful.... :-(
5) I bet it WAS intentional. Data seems to overstate it huh?
6) Different phasers. Also I don't think stun setting works on Jem'Hadar. And if they used the wide beam Riker mentioned.... the room would cave in and kill everyone on both sides.
7) Again... the reboots are overflowing with nonsensical caca. They shouldn't even count at all lol.
8) Legit.
9) See answers 3 and 7
10) See answers 3, 7 and 9
Eh... I'm bored.. lol ok a few more...
TOS and TNG era used different warp scales.
It was a pretty big battle... you don't think the Klingons dusted off some of the old ships to add to their their attacking fleet on the most important station in the quadrant? Also... there was several ships with that design with different designations. At one point those were call "bird of prey" as well.
I mean if yer gonna act like a know it all... ya gotta be prepared for the nerd backlash of people pointing out when you're wrong. There were a couple good ones in here tho. Mostly bad direction.
Juliana Brown 1) when she said that replicators were offline, they later were restored.
5) a lot of the records from kirks command are classified, black lined or "missing"
6) phaser rifles do not have a wide beam setting, and re calibrating mid combat would be a death sentence
daniel lovejoy The replicators weren't offline, they had to save energy. Which is also a continuity error.
Schwarzer Ritter ok. either way it makes very little sense, every ship starfleet sends out is fitted with an industrial replicator to replenish its torpedos
daniel lovejoy Does the Voyager have industrial replicators? I think it was mentioned Deep Space Nine has one, but the Voyager is just a scout ship.
Well, I guess they need to replicate spare parts for repairs or something, but a torpedo is a lot more complex than a bulkhead.
this is the same discussion, with alot more sources, scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/23850/how-did-voyager-replace-its-photon-torpedoes
lots of it was interesting but to be fair the 09 movie was planed to be out of sync with the rest and TOS was... well it was all over the board, i think they hit warp 15 at one point if memory serves. it was so early and the writers had no intention of maintaining continuity that they just winged it. i mean hell GNDN pipes and corridors everywhere.
Actually, that isn't entirely true. Everything up to the creation of the new time stream was supposed to be "in line" with TOS.
D-7s were indeed retired (TOS vessel). While the later design (seen in The Motion Picture, Star Trek 6 and TNG/DS9) was the K'tinga (same basic design, different detailing)
Star Trek author Christopher L. Bennett points out that Picard never specified WHOSE first contact with the Klingons led to war. So in his 2013 ENT novel Rise of the Federation: A Choice of Futures, it is stated that Vulcan-Klingon first contact, which was either in the 19th or 20th century, led to decades of war.
I couldn't see nero's ear. The lense flare was too real.
Cool but I think you should only compare apples to apples and not the prime universe to the JJ universe. I believe that it has been stetted that the Checkoff in the JJ universe is not the same one from the prime universe and was born at a different date due to the changes in the timeline.
That was awesome!! Thanks from a life long Trek fan!
The thing about T'Pol not recognizing the Romulan language, but Uhura (from JJ verse, so not really cannon as far as most are concerned) did. There was also a 50 year or so gap between T'Pol being on Enterprise and Uhura being on the JJ-Prise. A good guess that after Enterprise ran into it, more research and study was done in the following years for them to learn it.
The ships in the DS9 episode were the newer K'Tinga class ships that looked nearly identical to the D7's except they were much larger and could cloak. There may have been some D7's in there as well, but at a point in the war everyone was breaking out all the remaining ships they had left. The federation even started using Miranda Class Ships (Wrath of Khan, Reliant) again near the end of the war
do u know what the music at 4:15 is called ?
The cloaking device error could be explained by the possibility that every time they go into the mirror universe, they actually go into a different one each time (infinite universes theory). Heck, the Zek they bring back might not have even originally form Quark's universe. Kira & Bashir, Sisko, Jake, and Quark and Rom might not have even gone back to the universe they originally came from.
There's universes where the only difference is that Kira started walking with her left foot instead of right foot one Tuesday afternoon. It wouldn't be remarkable in the slightest of there were 500 universes that were nearly identical to each other, yet also diametrically opposite to the prime universe.
Also, Zek built his own device. This greatly increases the chance that the universe he went to wasn't the same one as the one Sisko had been to.
I think with the D7 thing, maybe they brought them back into service for the extra firepower.
6:27 All Good Things, in order for such particle beams to work, usually the amplitude and frequency would match. There's no distinguish between different ships in this case. Data is just stating as if there was three enterprise firing the tachyon beam, and not stating that the 3 tachyon beams are originating from a ship exactly like the Enterprise.
3:57 because they have to conserve energy. They had to hold the position and had no idea when reinforcements or supplies would come from starfleet.
8:40 The warp scale was redefined 3 times in the 23rd and 24th century. Comparing 8.4 warp on Kirk's enterprise with 9.975 on the Vojager is like comparing Celsius to Fahrenheit.
There's some pretty good continuity errors here... but some really bad ones, too. Star Trek TAS is considered non-canon. Roddenberry himself said that it wasn't to be taken seriously. And the JJ Abrams universe is the result of a timeline change at the time of Kirk's birth, so things like Chekov's age could be different. Maybe he was conceived later.
Warp speed was totally inconsistent. In Star Trek V'ger, they claim that warp 10 is an impossible barrier, but in TOS, Kirk orders the ship to accelerate to warp 10, and when the ship was taken over and hijacked for a trip to another galaxy, it hit warp 14.1.
You're wrong. TAS is canon. Anything on film (from official sources...not fan made) is considered canon in the Star Trek universe.
Voyager's Quantum leap, worm hole, Bajor's vortex, Borg transwarp hub, Q's abilities (etc)... so many ways to go beyond the warp limits. Like in Stargate; when they travel hundreds of light years (between stargates) in a second by using a worm hole technology... technicaly (in our 3D universe) they travel at "hundreds X light speed", even if light speed is an "unbreakable" speed limit (due to physic laws) .
In such matter, with different variables in the equasion, speed and its mesurements are relative.
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But, that's not how wormholes work. There is scientific basis for all this. A wormhole is a 4th dimensional tunnel that connects 3 dimensional space.
JarOfRats worm holes connect 2 points in our 3D universe. Therefore, understood by unmoving observers, consoles and sensors with limited capacities (ment to deal with our 3D universe, in ST), even if it seems that someone travel on huge distances in a very little time period, it would probably be interpreted as he's traveling at "warp 1 000 000 ++" ( while in fact, the real distance covered is much smaler because the "fabric" of this universe been "bent" to connect 2 points... like folding a sheet of paper).
People in upper comments was saying that warp 9.99 is an unbreakable speed limit while pointing at "contradictions" who happened in the ST series... i just said that we aren't limited, but only our mind, understanding and perceptions limiting us. It the reason why the Voyager's quantum drive allow them to travel much faster than warp 9.99... as it also explain why under certain circumstances the "warp 9.99 barrier" been crossed.
As far as i understand the ST warp technology, the ST warp technology is a "weak/not achieved" version of the worm hole theories/principles (but without real entry and real exit). The space/time is contract on the front of the ship while dilated at its back (while the time continue to flow at a normal pace in the ship, like in a "space/time bubble"). It's still pretty much like folding the space/time "fabric" (like in worm holes), but on a much much smaller scale.
Warp 9.99 is theoricaly imposible to break because warp 10 could create a black hole'like anomaly (like a worm hole but without any exit), based on ST warp engines/technologies and the way they work (without entry nor exit like "conventionnal" worm holes, but working as i explained a little upper). The warp speed scale is based on a distance/time scale based on unmoving external objects (by permanently comparing the stars to a star chart to determine the speed), but such speed scale become obsolete when dealing with vortex/worm holes and such (like the "light speed" is, as it lately been prooven that the light speed barrier is'nt solid as it was: E=MC2. In fact the light can travel slower or faster than light speed). Theories are ment to be broken, that's science!!.. but i'm not a warp physicist (or geek enaugh?), maybe i'm totaly wrong! =P
I heard that the Nasa is interested in the "warp" technology/theories, because it's much more accessible, unterstandable, controlable than worm holes (if such phenomenon do realy exist in the "wild").
At the beginning of TNG Gene Roddenberry stated he wanted to change the warp-speed scale and put warp 10 at the absolute top of the scale. Under this new scale, the Galaxy class had a normal cruising speed of warp 6 (about warp 7.3 under the TOS system) and a maximum normal velocity of warp 9.2 (roughly equivalent to warp 11.8 on the TOS scale).
First, Voyager did manage to replenish their torpedoes. That episode where it said how many they had was a very early one. There is an episode later in the series showing Captain Janeway trading for weapons (the episode where Seven thinks someone stole her nanoprobes) so it's presumed she traded for weapon/weapon parts more than once
That's a big assumption, concluding that Janeway trading in the broad spectrum of "weapons" is the same as being able to manufacture specific devices exclusive to the Federation on the other side of the galaxy.
Although a bigger question may be, why the hell can't the replicators make them?
I think she may have traded specific items to create federation torpedoes. Not buying the whole, but the parts. Maybe modifying designs to be able to replenish. As for not being able to replicate, I think it's something to do with power consumption. Replicating a plate of food uses a lot less power than replicating the parts for a torpedo. I loved Voyager but I think answering little questions like that could have given the show more realism
DediJ8k replicators can not produce the antimatter needed for a torpedo Janeway's original assumption of not being able to replenish was based on being stranded in an undeveloped area of space and the trading of weapons with other species wrap's that up in a nut shell either way.
so it's presumed that they also bad writers whom did not care about continuity...
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Except that whatever the alien equivalent of a photo torpedo is (even if they had such a thing) wouldn't necessarily work in a Federation photo torpedo launcher. Voyager needed raw materials (antimatter as suggested) not finished weaponry.
I love it when someone kick butts with a video like this xD
This actually makes me feel better about the continuity errors. They bothered me more when I felt like everyone else was overlooking them.
7:02 is explained by Star Trek Discovery season 1.
People keep going on about cannons here. In the future they use Phasers ok?
I found this both visually, and mentally stimulating.
I'm gonna need bass tabs for that funky ass slap bass at the end
I don't really think that the first contact with the Klingons is a continuity error. Picard was correct when stating what had happened with the disastrous first contact and war. But what we saw in Enterprise was interference from the future, the timeline had changed. So, they made contact sooner but avoided all out war.
"Loving my retirement"
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HAHAHA! I loved Star Trek since I was a boy. This was really funny! :D
To cloak or not to cloak. You'd think at least the Enterprise people would have gotten no cloak right from the earlier DS9 mirror episodes. "They don't have cloaks in this universe" was a major part of the episode.
in VOY 7 years of hell never happened (didn't know if that was counted in or not)
Boom! Perfect. I bet that episode had a lot of photon torpedoes counted...
SuperVstech actually not many torpedoes we're in that episode
maythewarbegin it was only 1 year of hell
its archer who knows he may have started a war with the kinons a few years after enterprise thankfully got cancled
Well done. The kind of guys that look out for these sorts of absurdities make the world go around.
But boy o boy Realkingdaniel, you must have a lot of time on your hands . . .
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This is awesome! And hilarious to watch... :D
Though a couple of the things, like Uhura recognizing Romulan language etc. could maybe be due to the Nero incident having made the Federation look into it more. If the Romulans are an active threat that has huge firepower and destroyed one of your ships, you're more likely to try to spy on them and have your people learn their language etc. than if you haven't come across them ever, or in a while.
Similarly, Chekov's parents might have had him at a different time, thus explaining his age being a few years different. It's trickier with a separate timeline than when it's an obvious mistake like the deck numbers in STV or the cloaking device in the mirror-verse etc. :)
(It's still hilarious though, the whole video had me laughing so much with each new thing, ones I remembered and ones I'd forgotten.)
Perhaps one of the Chekofs is lying about his age.
+Schwarzer Ritter I think it's the one in the original series. He looks as if he could pass for 26. But 22? No, I believe not.
Terry Wilson How so?
no because maybe nero destroy the uss kelvin and chekov mother or father or some relative was on that ship and
giving birth to chekov a little bit earlier or later but that's just a theory i thought of. but u can be right too.
jim kirk That's a pretty good theory.
+Schwarzer Ritter Someone once asked me:
"who would win in a fight between Doctor Spocks and R2D2?"
What an idiot!
"If phasers can do that, why does everyone forget when it would be really useful?"
Well, they are completely different kinds of weapons.
If a gattling gun can fire 1200 rounds per minute, why does everyone forget that when they are firing their sniper rifles or 9mm handguns?
not really...the wide beam ones were just the handheld sidearms. The battle where it would be useful were full size assault rifle phasers and everything.
Kevin skipp Exactly my point. Different weapons of different types. The one-handed sidearms can't shoot as fast, but they are more versatile. The rifle-type we see in that episode shoots a lot faster and are a lot more accurate over distance.
+morphman86 oh come on...a standard sidearm is more destructive than a full size rifle. Your argument seems desperate.
Kevin skipp A personal defense weapon, capable of short-range bursts of modulated light, causing immense heat might be more destructive, but as I previously stated, it's not as fast, as accurate and it has far shorter range.
It's hard to compare to our current tech equivalent, but it's like having a handgun with a grenade launcher on it. Sure, it may seem more destructive than an assault rifle, but can you really use the assault rifle to lob grenades as far as the rifle can shoot?
ok...
its not as fast but if it takes down a half dozen enemies per shot without having to be precisely aimed, isnt that a more than acceptable compromise?
This is Great! I laughed! I cried! I kissed ten minutes goodbye! and it was all EPIC! Right On ! :D
Very well put video. After so many years i guess its hard for them to keep track of what has been established already?
For me, so much of Star Trek is contradictory or completely apocryphal these days. I blame the writers of the show for all the series for doing things simply because it made that particular work, and the producers for not being faithful to whats been considered canon for decades. The biggest offender IMO was Enterprise, which completely thunder-mucked the TOS timelime so badly we might as well consider it an Alternate Universe timeline, hey maybe that's how we ended up in the JJ universe afterall.
KlunkerRider NERRRRRRRD!!!
LOL yes
+KlunkerRider If you remember, there was quite a bit of time travel and changing of events back and forth in Enterprise. The results of this tampering by the species' controlling the xindi, could have had wide-reaching repercussions.
fyrestorme123 Yes but who's fault is that? Someone had to write all that stuff up, and its those writers who messed up the entire Trekdom for everyone else.
Pretty sure those "D7's" were actually K'tingas.
I think they were Bazingas.
The writer of Prophesy assumed they would reuse the D7 made for Trials and Tribble-ations. He wasn't aware they had made the complete switch to CGI for ships so the wrong ship got used in Voyager. The K'tinga is in fact still in use in the 24th century.
K'tinga class ships are "modernized" klingon D7s (K'tinga ships have a less bulbous foward section, different warp nacelles, a larger bridge dome and a better external plating). The K't'inga class ships started to replace the klingon D7s during the 2270s. The D7s been finally "retired" prior to 2377 (Star Trek: The Motion Picture; VOY: "Prophecy").
The D7 class been developed by the romulans and the klingons (reason why both specie had D7 ships). Klingon modernized that class into the K'tinga class while romulans developed brand new designs insted. D7 been created in a technological exchange/temporary alliance between both empires (the romulan cloaking device technology been "shared" with the klingon much later and did'nt equiped the first klingon D7s).
BTW The "D7" designation is due to an "inside joke" made by the actors, outside of the screen... but the designation remained.
Priceless! Brilliantly funny.
The insignia on the captain's uniform from the Kelvin is a specially cloaked icon.
reboot should not be counted as "star trek". it's generic action schlock.
Sorry but it is still Star Trek, it was just made for the general movie going public (and not Trekkies).
But as someone who grew up with Trek too (TOS through to ENT), I can still enjoy the new films as well.
+ApolloXL5 I still enjoyed the reboot as well, given their inconsistencies. Plus they got the characters traits pretty accurately, I think.
Spock says dying is illogical Exactly what I think too, and I love the little moment between Bones and Spock as they are surrounded by drones in the trailer.
ApolloXL5 That moment was a serious "Oh, shit!" moment if I've ever seen one.
The reason for Chekov's age difference in the 2009 film is because the movie sucked.
Yeah that's why so many people and critics love it.
+Cypher160 Yeah, idiots that like big explosions but are totally clueless as to what Star Trek was. It's as if they took the previous films, put them in a blender, added a bunch of Michael Bay style explosions and a ton of stupid lens flares, wrapped it into a big package and called it "Star Trek".
The problems start early. Kirk was born on Earth, in Iowa, not in Space. The Enterprise was built in Space, not in Iowa. The established canon, predating the "alternate timeline" demonstrates that those types of federation spacecraft are not designed for atmospheric travel. And as someone else put it, having young Kirk drive away in a 20th century car, blasting the Beastie Boys would be like a kid, today, running away on a horse and buggy, blasting baroque harpsichord music. What a rebel!
And the rest unravels from there;
Revenge plot? Already done in Wrath of Khan.
Giant Planet-Killing Romulan Spaceship? Already done in Nemesis.
Highly unstable and dangerous substance, originally used for science but perverted into a weapon? Red Matter, also known as Proto Matter, done in The Search For Spock.
Time Travel? Already done in the Voyage Home and First Contact.
Then you have all the little things that just don't make sense like Kirk being promoted to Captain on an impossible technicality. If Spock relieved himself of duty, he would not appoint a cadet who so recently violated orders, he would have appointed Sulu, or Uhura, or whomever was next in line.
The whole film was a mess.
kev3d you know how much of a nerd you are you just exploded just cause I said the public likes it also just cause something has more action doesn't make it mindless Micheal bay action look I get it you love original star trek but I have a feeling you thought the movie was meh at one point but you probably got mad that everyone else loved it changing up formula doesn't make the movie bad but sorry to tell you this but this filmed will be remembered as that good star trek film
+Cypher160 Allow me to use an analogy. While several of the previous Star Trek films were not very good, the 2009 Star Trek and its sequel, Into Darkness, are to the Trek canon what your last paragraph is to proper use of punctuation.
God dude I'm just saying it was a good film to me many others and to call those people mindless idiots seems harsh yeah me my self love action and I'm sure had the original star trek had the technology and money it would had tons of action look this movie is basically reboot and the writers tried not to destroy the original canon by making this an alternate universe in this universe a lot of things changed
You missed one - in All Good Things - Data is alive, and has his streak of grey hair. Yet in Nemesis, Data is killed.
I hated Nemesis for that.
I would guess that the Voyager crew managed to procure materials for new torpedoes over time, or improved their replication capabilities to make more.
I can't remember exactly how it went, but I'm pretty sure at one point Voyager received like 400 torpedoes.
More worried that Chekov wasn't part of the original crew in TOS until 2nd season, but in the movie.. there he is?? Also, some of your faux pas are editing issues that can occur on any show.. As to the D-7 comment, those looked like K'tinga(?) class, similar to what we see in ST-The Motion Picture
Chekov was on the Enterprise in Season One, although we didn't see him but he met Khan during 'Space Seed' as reveled in the second film. As for the 2009 film, it's a reboot so not cannon (alternate universe cheat aside) which is why there are so many mistakes. You have to treat it like the Dukes of Hazzard film or the Starsky and Hutch film.
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Dude, been watching Trek since it was out and has the DVD sets. Chekov was NEVER in Season one, EVER
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Chekov where it states Roddenberry interview Koenig for Season 2 :P
Sometimes the movies will rewrite canon/history to fit in with the plot.. I know they rewrote the story in ST 09, creating the alt 'verse now gives them the freedom to write whatever they want to going forward in the franchise.. however, they didn't in ST-ITD or what I call STWOK - The Reboot :P
Okay Chekov didn't exist in Season One, but they reconned that he was there in TWOK, he knows about the Botany Bay and Khan (with his enhanced idetic memory) remembers him, Chekov also asks after Marla McGivers. Even in the series he is supposed to have been in Engineering before we see him on the bridge. (this because the ship is so far away from a starbase that he must have been there for a few months, even though he wasn't thought up.)
The novelization of TWOK states that Chekov led an attept to retake Engineering from Khan during 'Space Seed'
Djarra Most novelizations and books aren't considered canon although the closest to an official confirmation that Chekov was ON the Enterprise during Space Seed is Walter Koenig's personal explanation that Chekov spent the entire episode in the toilet & that Khan recognizes him as he was waiting to use the same restroom.
Of course the stardate of Kirks log in Catspaw the first episode where Chekov appears places it before Sapce Seed by about a month.
The warp factor scale in use during the original series is different from the scale used in the series set after the start of the 24th century, so your comparison between the original series and Voyager isn't accurate. It's mentioned in the warp factor entry in the Star Trek encyclopaedia and here memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_factor
Voyager still stank!
So the new warp is slower than the old warp? That still seems a bit counter-intuitive, that Voyager can only go at about 0.1% the speed the enterprise could go at more than a century earlier.
The warp is not slower. The scale is just different. It's like if we stopped measuring earthquakes from 1 to 10 in Richter's Scale, but from 1 to, let's say, 6. The earthquakes would still be the same, but our way to measure them is different.
Or, with a more realistic example, inches and centimetres.
But ignore the actual "warp factor numbers" for a second and look at the other two values.
VOY: 75 years to travel 70000 light years
TOS: 11.5 hours to travel 1000 light years
which, if you multiply out, would mean the TOS enterprise could make the same 70000 l.y. journey in 33 days. The distance of a light year is fixed because the speed of light is a constant, and we're assuming here that the relative values of "hour" and "year" have not changed between TOS and VOY, so the maximum speed of Voyager is only about 0.1% of that of the original Enterprise.
Well... Yeah, that's actually true. Even more when it's stated that the Voyager is made to travel long distances.
I got killed when Enterprise trolling!! XD
In the Episode 'The Gift' it is clearly stated by Tuvok that the left over Borg tech from 'Scorpion Part 2' can be used to replenish their compliment of torpedos. It's a bit of a cheat but it is right there on screen.
What is worse. Silly continuity questions or bad logic. Case in point the torpedoes. They can't make more with access to the right base materials? They don't have replicators? I thought that was suppose to be the whole reason for replicators? You have the atomic blueprint and you use base materials to make more of something. Yeah... bad logic.
I think some things are to complex to replicate
Or made Illegal to do so. Otherwise every damn human could have a Nuke in the kitchen if they wanted.
They built not one, but TWO Delta Flyer shuttles, warp cores and all. Just because they couldn't replace the torpedoes early on (due to lack of enough materials to do so) doesn't mean they didn't gather enough supplies as they went on to build more before they ran out of the initial 38.
Also in the third or forth episode, they turn one of there three fusion plants into a forge to make more complex devices.
If i remember correctly in trek lore you would need industrial replicators to fabricate more than small arms in a replicator.
comment on warp speeds and time to get across the galaxy, yes the warp 9.975 it would have taken a year, but they couldn't go that fast for more than 10-12 minutes. Their standard cruising speed was closer to warp 6 or lower. their "maximum" warp speed would be the highest maintainable speed which is actually closer to warp 8, which would calculate to 70 years travel time. At warp 9.6, they can only maintain 12 hours at this speed, and at warp factor 9.9, automatic warp core shut down occurs in 10 minutes. Also, the shorter duration of higher speeds also takes into account the initial charging and discharging of the warp field during which time the vessel is not moving, resulting in a seemingly lower speed.
No, at 7:58 it is claimed that Voyager has a SUSTAINABLE cruise velocity of warp 9.975.
7:58 is wrong.
You may be right about the 3 days at 9.6. Voyager did do a lot of upgrading and infusion of alien tech during their "away" mission. It wound up only taking them, what, 7-8 years in total? There's no way to know how long it would have actually taken them at maximum warp considering all the stops and jump-aheads they made.
The numbers I came up with were researched off the memory Alpha website on warp factors.
Right, I agree. "Maximum warp" is most likely a contextual statement based on the situation. Is could mean maximum warp based on fleet speed for X hours, or maximum warp based on the tactical situation, etc. It could also be a reference to a combination of speeds over a longer period of time and engine status. sometimes running the engine "hot" will result in a down time, and reduce the "maximum warp" speed considerably. Sometimes the engineers would say, "we can only manage warp X right now" etc. If the "top speed" was actually maintainable, then there would be very little of the galaxy that was unreachable by the federation, but there is a limit. Even with their secondary warp assembly, they still couldn't run both simultaneously, and each one would still only be usable for the maximum allotted time at a given speed, so it would only effectively double that time at those speeds. I actually need to go back and rewatch the first couple seasons of voyager because I don't remember a lot of that stuff. I only recently watched seasons 4-7. Awesome series.
Not true. In All Good Things both Beverly and Riker travel at warp 13.
2:24 - You went for the obvious campy overshooting the right deck gag in this scene, but didn't notice the blatant silliness of the numbered decks in a Turboshaft that no one would ever see, as the Turbolift is not glass like Willy Wonka's elevator.
More significantly, the continuity director must have been high on Marshmellons that day, as they couldn't decide if Kirk and Bones step onto Spock's boots, or he is just holding them in his arms like grocery bags. While it is no secret in the Roddenberry universe that Vulcans are inherently stronger than Terrans, are we really supposed to believe he could hold a full grown one in each arm while his boots are thrusting then up at - what is the velocity" An remarkable rate of speed, or something to that effect?
i still love the movie though. Favorite line:
"What does God need with a starship?"
The Warp Discrepancy was adequately explained in the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual.
Actually, TAS is not considered canon
I think it is now. It wasn't up until last year or so.
Now that CBS Digital brought the real Antares class to 'life' and the Sherman class drones.
I'd rather not consideering Star Trek V canon. At least TAS had decent plots.
+Andreu Martí Star Trek V was such a shameful mess. William Shatner had been in the original series and four movies up to this point and he directed this movie like he didn't know anything about the Star Trek.
+Mike Jordan Well, you can't only blame him. The script was incredibly awful, not even the best director could have saved that.
6:30 It likely would've had the same amplitude modulation as on all 3 ships Data was the one who modified the deflector to emit the inverse-tachyon pulse, aswell as the Enterprise also scanned the anomaly with one once they went back after the initial formation
During "Star Trek: Enterprise" the Klingon's were frequently ready to send a fleet of ships to conqueror Earth. It could have very easily led to a war later on.
My god, you’d have a field day with current day Star Trek.