Everything Wrong With Star Trek Into Darkness In 7 Minutes Or Less
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2013
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At 5:30 CinemaSins dude says "Unlike some idiots on youtube, I know that there's gravity in space", but in the EWW The Avengers he says "how can Iron man fall to Earth when there's no gravity in space?".
*ding*
That would be because the "idiots on UA-cam" they're referring to are themselves. They're actually acknowledging their mistake and mocking themselves, so, no Sin. The real sin here is that despite normally pointing it out, they didn't Doctor Who is that? on Mickey Smith's actor appearing in the movie.
I think in this they're referencing the fact that Earth still has a gravitational pull from that far away, while the other one is referencing the fact that there ARE NO LARGE ENOUGH OBJECTS NEAR WHERE HE WAS IN AVENGERS TO CAUSE HIM TO FALL IN THAT DIRECTION
+Burn Schauerte
Honestly, that's the kind of thing that even someone without a degree should know
It's sad that people don't
You just need to know that gravity is directly connected to mass to figure it out yourself
But I'm sad to say that I had to explain that simple fact to my PHYSICS teacher in high school!
People aren't taught to think at school which is why they are limited to repeating what they heard eventhough it's wrong
And I know what you're thinking: that I'm frustrated by that and feel the need to whine about it on youtube
And I would agree :p
But, at the risk of sounding very dramatic, I mostly hope that people who read this or hear me say it anywhere else just think about it
And it might be asking a lot, but I hope that my whining might actually bring just one more drop of thinking to the world
Because there's more important things people forget to think about than physics :/
Sayonara Chainsaw In the Avengers video he didn't mean no gravity in Space _at all_, he meant in that particular part of Space on the other side of the Portal.
The Chitauri Ship was in a completely empty area of Space with no planets or stars close by and therefore nothing to create a Gravitational Pull strong enough for Iron Man to 'fall' back towards the Portal. If anything his momentum should have kept him moving towards the Ship even after he'd let go of the Missile.
Foxtrot369 ....What about...the Earth. The portal was still open after all.
Khan "played" stunned earlier to catch Kirk and Scotty off-guard.
Other than that, a lot of these are pretty good.
Hey like your Chanel
Yes
Khan was under arrest. This very concept negated the possibility of him moving.
"I can't lock on them, they're moving"
Wait, Chekov! What did you do between the last movie and this one to unlern how to beam extremly fast moving persons? Have you forgotten everything? WHAT?
yeah, the tech is star trek is so inconsistent. It changes moment to moment depending on the needs of the "story".
Falling movement is easy to predict. Fighting movement is a bit difficult.
Fabske would be good at CinemaSins *ding
@@harrisonblock they were also spinning and rotating a lot in the first one so not much of a difference. Not to mention, during Spock and Khan's fight, they are mostly separate from each other. When Sulu and Kirk were falling, they were literally holding each other. Would it have mattered if they transported to Khan and Spock up to the ship and have a security team waiting for them? And by your logic, why didn't he save Spock's mom? See my general comment below for further details about that since I already mentioned it.
Well he actually forgot in the first movie in like three minutes so you can't blame him in this movie. He was able to save Kirk and Sulu while they fell to the Earth but couldn't save Spock's mom! A person he already had a lock on and who's position only changed vertically due to gravity! A constant he has in his head since he used it to save Sulu and Kirk not five minutes ago!!! Even if it was the gravitional pull from the Black Star, he already calculated that when he explained what was happening to Spock. And to say he didn't have enough time to get that value is silly because he made it from the bridge, to the transporter, took controls of the transporter, and inputted the gravitional constant all before Kirk and Sulu went splat!
Goodbye Chekov..... 'One to beam up'..... R.I.P. So Sad.
so true man
and was the only red shirt we didnt want to die
+TonRoz I mean there's scotty....
i didn't no , so sad.. he was a very good actor.. R.I.P Chekov
Bipin seriously, what a terrible way to go to. Such a tragic accident. I wonder if they're going to recast Odd Thomas and have sequels, or if Odd will just die with him.
"My... name.. is... Khan!"
Stephen Strange:...Just Khan..? Like.. Adele?
khan noonien sigh is his full name, in both the tos ep. and wok it was used.
@@jeffgrencik7213 its a joke my guy
"It's a mononym, like, Cher."
- Archer
Kirk: "Uh... hi Mr. Khan... Sorry - should that name mean ANYTHING to me?"
That one is red because it's planned to crash in its first mission
actually the red ship is a Vulcan diplomatic ship
+Richard Fox Y U ruin da joke!?!?
I'm afraid that you are wrong, the brown-coloured ship is the USS Armstrong (NCC-1729) an Armstrong type star ship. It was commissioned in 2258 under the "United Federation of Planets". this type is the only type of star ship, that was ever painted brown.
Incorrect. It would be the USS Excelsior. NCC-1729, which was an Armstrong-class ship. The USS Armstrong, NCC-1769, was destroyed in the first of the "JJ Trek" offerings in the Vulcan system.
NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDSSSSSSSS
Such a tragedy about Anton Yelchin
ya at 9:30 m uhh mom was telling my sister so i walked in asking what happed and my mom said anchin yelit actor of chevof it star trek died
I had such a shock. I thought it was one of those false reports at first. Didn't believe. Still in shock. Such a tragedy. He was taken too soon
So sad. I took my mum to see Beyond since she's been a Trekkie forever and we both said after that we felt that little bit of pain every time Chekhov was on screen. So sad
Seen the film several times and it's brilliant but so sad watching Anton knowing you'll never see him again
WHATTT NOOOO!!! Thats so sad nonono!!!
That 55 seconds of logos is one of my favorite parts of the ST movies because of the mini overture of chilling, moving music we get. It builds up the emotion and tension before anything even happens, I love it. Reminds me of Shaun of the Dead doing the same, with the very creepy music setting the scene for a minute.
100%
"Unlike some idiots on UA-cam, I know there's gravity in space." Ohoho. I see what you did, there.
+CocoaNutCakery i dont
+CreeperSlayer Jeremy is talking about himself.
Towards the end of the film where the core is misaligned, Spock states that the gravity systems at failing once they get caught in Earth's gravity.
+Jose Marques More context?
***** I remember him saying in a video that there's no gravity in space,i think it's was in a Superman video but i am not sure.
I think when Spock is melding with Pike is to help ease his passing. At least that is what I got.
Isn't empathy an emotion?
I always thought (and still do and don't know why no one else seems to) that Khan going down from one stun shot earlier was a feint to make the others think he was stunned so he'd gain the upper hand. Which he did. Khan is a superhuman and brilliant tactician, he's also not completely dumb. He took into account that Kirk would turn on him, planned for it, and pretended to be stunned when the opportunity presented itself.
Or maybe it's being shot in the head vs body
10 sins for not doing a Sherlock joke in your gag reel
...and another 10 sins for not doing a Robocop or Buckaroo Banzai joke, also.
“Your move creep”
“and who is gonna lead us...YOU?!”
Admiral Robocop😂
Good stuff guys. Really enjoyed this movie. I have one bone to pick: Spock is the only eligible person to do that "Action-hero-fight-scene" because he also has super human stength. Kirk would get punched right off the platform in one stroke of Khan. Spock and Khan both have incredibly resilient bodies, so they're an understandable match. Everyone else is only human or an extra.
Taymanator0051 *applause* also that l.o.t.r profil photo tho
Taymanator0051 I agree! I also take issue with the "mind rape/stealing Pike's memories thing," though I can tell CS was being extremely sarcastic. Spock even says it himself later that he was trying to comfort Pike at the moment of his death.
you havent seen the scene in the orial series in which spot and kirk were made to fight (available on youtube). it was such a tight match they ripped each others shirts in turn, baring they lovely nipples
@@HK-vt7gh The "baring they lovely nipples" part of this comment deserves more than zero likes, so here ya go!
I thought it was established in Space Seed that Khan and the other Augments possessed about five times normal human strength, whereas Vulcans on average have about double normal human strength.
I've got more than that. 1.) They use a cold fusion device to freeze a volcano. Uhhh, cold fusion just means it doesn't have to be hot to get the fusion process started. But fusion is very, very, very, very hot, like in the sun or an H-bomb.
2.) Twice in the movie, the ship gets knocked out of warp early, but both times, it just happens to come out a short distance from where they were going. But warp speed is like hundreds of times the speed of light. And the moon is only like one light second away from earth. So if they hadn't dropped out right at that instant, they would have crashed into the planet!
3.) They leave from Klingon space and it's all one continuous fast-paced scene that ends with them being knocked out of warp. It's all presented as them being in warp for a couple minutes, not hours or days. I know I said warp speed was fast, but you'd have to be going like 100,000 times the speed of light just to get to the nearest star in that amount of time. And since the Klingons are presumably much farther away, we're talking about millions of times the speed of light. Space is like really big.
4.) They come out of warp in shuttle range of the Klingon home world, but not beaming range. But then there just happens to conveniently be some other habitable planet, which is conveniently uninhabited, in range for them to play with the torpedoes. What? Where was this place? Why don't the Klingons use it if it is so close to their home world? How are there two habitable planets in the same system without major temperature differences?
5.) They take a shuttle to the Klingon home world and the Klingons didn't just intercept them in space and blow them away. Is this militaristic race not keeping track of alien ships that approach their home world? That's far worse than Starfleet missing one of their own stolen ships approaching their headquarters.
6.) Why do the Klingons have an uninhabited part of their world? And if it is uninhabited, why are there structures there?
7.) Gratuitous Carroll Marcus in her underwear shot. Not that I'm complaining. But if you're talking "movie sins," that really served no purpose whatsoever other than to to put a little sex in the movie. Or maybe you could complain it wasn't a long enough scene if you're okay with that.
8.) You mentioned the Tribble, but there were a TON of silly nods like that to the original. Way too many. Gorn baby reference. Mud reference. The fact that Carroll Marcus was in it at all.
9.) The Klingon moon, aside from being in a dangerously close orbit, is all blown to pieces. This is supposed to be another one of those nods, in this case to the sixth movie, where that moon blows up. But that happens when Kirk and Spock are old. There's no reason for the moon to have blown up 30 years early in the alternate timeline. And even if it did, in the sixth movie, it delivered such a crippling blow to the Klingons that it was what prompted peace talks with the Federation. So did they just go on fine with a blown up moon in this timeline?
10. They were close to the moon and when they lost power, and the gravity of Earth pulled them in. You mentioned that it would take a lot longer than two minutes from that distance, and are completely right. But they were closer to the moon, so the moon is actually what would have pulled them in, not the Earth.
"Why do the Klingons have an uninhabited part of their world? And if it is uninhabited, why are there structures there?"
Probably the same reason we have uninhabited ghost towns on our planet.
*+MP197742* @ Warp Speeds
Warp actually gets redefined in each new rendition of Star Trek.
In TOS, warp factors were an exponential progression starting with the speed of light.
Warp 1 = Speed of light = 670,616,629 miles per hour
Warp 2 = Speed of light exp.2 (lightspeed x lightspeed)
Warp 3= Speed of light exp. 3
And so forth. (Full impulse, btw, is 1/2 the speed of light. Just FYI.)
The only limitations on how fast a ship could go was how strong you could build it. In several episodes, Enterprise went warp 9, 10, 12, 16, and whoever was pushing it that far above its normal warp-8 limit was told to stop because the structure of the ship couldn't take the strain.
(In the TOS movies, the warp scale was the same, except that warp 1 was simply referred to as "Warp Speed".)
In NextGen & Spinoffs (including the movies), the warp scale was reinvented so that starships couldn't ever go faster than warp 9.9 or they'd coexist with all points in the universe. (Which always sounded like BS to me, but no one asked my opinion.)
In JJ-Trek & STID, there is only one warp factor. That warp factor is known as "Punch It".
@ Moon distance in light-seconds.
The Apollo missions demonstrated that radio delay from Earth to Moon was 3 seconds. Radio travels at the speed of light, which in seconds is 186,282.3969444444 mps.
186,282.3969444444 mps x3 seconds = 558,847.1908333333 miles.
@ drifting to earth.
Knocked out of warp at 237,000 kilometers above earth. A kilometer is a little less than a mile. That would place the just-got-its-ass-shot-off Enterprise somewhere between 1/4 and 1/3 the distance between Earth and Moon. Which means that it is closer to and will fall toward Earth, not Moon, but with no warp, no impulse, and no thrusters, it will fall at the same speed as, say, Apollo 11, and take over a day to arrive. If JJ wanted the damaged starship to auger in any sooner, like, say, in 3 minutes time, he should have just had Sulu say "We've dropped out of warp in Low Earth Orbit, Captain."
And yes, it beggars the imagination that they would get shot down exactly at the place they were trying to get to anyway.
Didn't recall them saying the distance they were from Earth. But according to Google, the distance from the Earth to the Moon is 384,400 km. So 237,000 from Earth would be substantially closer to the Moon (only about 17% the distance from the Moon to the Earth). Plus, you could see that the Moon was right there by them.
MP197742 When they were shot out of warp above Earth, Sulu reported their distance from Earth to Kirk. Google also gives the distance to moon in non-metric units, coincidentally being 238,900 miles, which is numerically similar to the number of Km reported by Sulu. (That 384,400 km is measured at perigee, of course (closest point). Apogee is 406,720 km (furthest point).)
On the one hand, we may be looking at a common cinematography trick (simulated by computer, of course) having to do with using a longer lens to compress the distance between the foreground and distant background for dramatic license. On the other hand, I'm not sure I trust a film producer who does not understand that cold fusion is *not* used to freeze things solid, to also understand the difference between miles and kilometers, or for that matter, the difference between having engines be stone cold dead or having them be running at full power out of control, (Dialog said all engines were dead, but the dramatic plunge from over two hundred thousand kilometers away to well into Earth's atmo in a very short time says "runaway impulse engine" to me,)
MP197742 Afterthought: This could also be a veiled reference by JJ & crew to something that happened frequently in NextGen, (We already know that JJ was hot to weasel in as many references as he could.) In NextGen, Enterprise D would often face off against some ship or another that was *obviously* close enough for someone on Enterprise to look out a window and read the titles of books on shelves of crew's quarters through the other ship's windows, and the helmsman would always give Picard a distance to the other ship in tens or even *hundreds* of thousand-kilometers. It's a possibility we should consider.
2:20 The problem with Kirk is mentally and emotionally, hes basically going on a revenge quest because Khan killed the closest person Kirk had to an actual father in the Kelvin timeline.
2:25 That is probably a Vulcan ship as Vulcan ships usually have the red/brown color scheme of that ship.
3:30 According to the book, Uhura worked a minor miracle but that still doesn't explain how a starship can communicate from Klingon space to Earth so this is still a sin.
4:45 Scotty somehow doesn't know that the Enterprise has been shot as when Kirk says "We're a little low on power" to Scotty's request to get beamed up, Scotty says "Why, what happened to the Enterprise?"
5:18 I'm pretty sure he actually crushed his skull and head... which is actually worse, I'm glad they didn't even try and show that.
6:10 Sulu is a pilot, not an engineer, he was probably wrong.
6:58 Khan pretended to be stunned earlier.
The Sulu thing, I think he would be correct (if they actually had it happen that way in the film) simply because he is a pilot. Although he may not know all the nitty gritty details, I think knowing what the ship can survive and what its limits are, are important things for any pilot to know.
…so, you’re saying Scotty doesn’t know?
Man, I didn't notice it when I watched it, but the lens flares really are excessive. It cuts right through the screen just like how they don't in real life.
J.J. Abrams signature.
+Loxodon Cyclotis there was only one in TFA
What about the ship not having hazmat suits ready in case of radation leak. That would have ensured that Kirk would have survive the reactor scene.
+year111
original KAHHHHHNNNN!!!! the movie have Spock go in without the suit too.... Even though that movie clearly have engineers WITH radiation suits.... I think they said it was because there is no time or some shit in the original KAHHHHHNNNN!!!! the movie
+year111 Androids clearly exist in this universe... why isn't there a repair team of them in there at all times? But there is one on the bridge to say one throwaway line of dialogue in a cool voice?
+Nova Sky TWO throwaway lines of dialogue.
But I agree. Any self-respecting outfit working long-term around hazards like ionizing radiation would have SOME way to protect themselves from it in case of emergency.
+year111 Maybe all the technicians with hazard suits were thrown across the ship by then. Also, nice profile pic.
+Delta Plus actually he went in with one, that's how he removed the original cap but the gloves were to thick to ralign it so he actually has to remove the gloves to finish it
Somehow missed: War room at the top of a tall building, in an exterior room. Why isn't it in an underground bunker or something?
Hey I didn't know shit about Khan and it was a HUGE surprise for me in the movie. Guess I was less than 4
I didn't like that part because not everyone watched the TV show
That joke was for the Star Trek fans, the ones that got more disappointed with this movie
It surprised me, because Benedict is a far cry from Ricardo Montalban. I would have never guess that the former could ever possibly be a replacement for the latter.
Doesn't know shit about Khan
Huge Surprise
Pick one.
I hadn't watched the original Star Trek films so I was like "who?"
when they realised they can use the healing properties of khans blood to save kirk then why didn't they just take the blood of one of the other people in the cryo tubes?
That would've require un-freezing at least one cryo-tube person...which means they could wake up, which would mean a second Khan-like character to prolong the movie and/or create a sequel for.
Khan's cells are rejuvenating very fast but the other 72 are in cryo tubes so there is no body function with them and their blood is not rejuvenating.
Should have done a lens flare bonus round.
What? Show the whole movie? I've just had my retinas replaced after the first one.
god damn JJ shamebrams.
Was anyone else bugged by the fact that the little "fur thing" that came back to life because he had khans blood on his system was still laying on that desk after all that the ship went through?
***** Yeah, that's pretty odd and doesn't make any sense. Maybe the others don't have the same powers. I don't know.
AlinasArt 01101101 01110111 =mw
***** Haha! lol. Probably not :D
***** Now you know what happens to the redshirts afterwards. Sickbay needs a steady supply of test corpses.
AlinasArt It's not a "fur thing"...it's a tribble...
And tribbles can stick to walls...
Scene does not contain a Benedict Cumberbatch lapdance
**ding**
Physics Major here, with a few sins to add:
*They jump off cliff and into water* Yeah, hitting water from that height without extensive training in high diving or super superfeet is thirteen and a half different kinds of impossible.
*Bomb freezes volcano* Not sure detonating a cold fusion device could do anything to an erupting volcano, other than, you know, blow it up.
*Torpedo door closes on Bones' arm* Pretty sure a door intended to seal a warhead to prevent tampering would have no problem crushing Bones' arm. If you're telling me there's some sensor that prevents the door from doing that, then you have a sin of plot convenience.
*The Enterprise is forced out of warp* Ok, they drop out of warp, with inertia carrying them at high speed toward the earth. A few things:
Firstly, the first thing any starship captain should do after dropping out of warp near a planet is establish a stable orbit around said planet, unless landing is intended. Later, we learn that the Enterprise still has thruster power, and computers capable of calculating a line of sight trajectory. A few seconds of thruster power in just about ANY direction should be enough to ensure the Enterprise never even gets CLOSE to crashing on Earth.
Second, mere moments after this guy says they're 237,000 km from Earth, heading TOWARDS the earth, they show the battle clearly taking place a good 387,000 km from Earth, near the moon. Uhh, nope.
THIRD, the ENTIRE FU**ING CORE WORLD OF STARFLEET INTRAGALACTIC OPERATION was taking their union mandated smoke break while a fu**ing BATTLE took place within the moon's orbital radius! I mean, sh**! Back during the APOLLO missions, we could track spacecraft as small as a Starfleet escape pod on and around the moon, but I guess tracking technology in Starfleet times has regressed to smoke signals and paper maps.
*Spock call* Spock calls future Spock, and future Spock somehow alters his own past...I think. I don't know. Point is, just by talking to his younger self, he is disrupting....something. Again, I don't know.
Also, say! Why didn't the Enterprise call Starfleet and say, "Hey! Just wanted to give a quick heads up, uhm, this guy is blowing up our ship full of innocent people, so don't believe anything he tells you, and also, you might want to clear the city, because we MIGHT hit the Earth at a velocity high enough to cause a 7.0 earthquake." I'm sure future Spock can wait.
*Kahn transports the devices over to his ship, cut to them blowing up and Khan screaming "NOO"* A device capable of scanning a torpedo down to the quark in order to transport it on board to your ship should be able to notice a rather alarming DETONATION SEQUENCE in said torpedo.
Also, no.
*Ship tilting causing gravity to go haywire inside the ship* Science fiction writers dont understand how free fall works. If artificial gravity is online, they should not notice the ship tilting. If it's offline, they should float around like in the ISS. But the filmmakers dont have the budget for that.
*Ship falls through the clouds, and then rises back up* Okay, so hold on, they're traveling perpendicular to Earth's surface, TOWARDS Earth's surface, at a rate of speed that looks like....a few kilometers per second (the length of the Enterprise is around 800 meters according to google). But let's be generous and assume they're going Mach speed, or 343 meters per second. In order to decelerate to zero velocity in about, say, 4 seconds (so they have time to dramatically reemerge from the clouds, they have to provide thruster acceleration of 1G, PLUS 343m/s divided by 4 seconds, carry the one...multiply by pi r².... so about 9.75 G in total. My point is, NONE of these guys are in any shape to do anything other than puke on the floor a bit, if not completely pass out.
*"Sir, there's no way anyone on board survived that!"* Correct!
Um, why would the scanner even be programmed to detect something starting to detonate? Why? I honestly can't think of a reason, other than, if it was in the movie, plot convenience.
@@nikkiofthevalley Stargleet transporters HAVE to scan things in order to transport them, they have to disassemble the object then reassemble it at the destination.
Startrek lore says the object does get scanned down to rhe quark. Which means you'd HAVE to notice the detonation sequence.
@@willmunoz1638 Yea, but why would it actually say anything? Why would it be programmed to say anything about said detonation sequence?
@@nikkiofthevalley ....
Why would it *not*?
Why in all of tarnation would it not warn the captain about a BOMB?
@@willmunoz1638 Think about practicality here. It would be 5 times more complicated to detect a bomb, than just do whatever magic allows them to beam.
1:15 The archive was in London. We don't have "multiple cameras". We have ALL the cameras.
When Bones said "The hell you are" He wasn't talking about physical health. Pike had just died before that scene. He was worried about Kirk's emotional state.
Aah! Why do the sins make so much sense?
the red ship is the fire department duuuh
I absolutely hated this movie and the prior. I could barely make it through the first 15 minutes before turning it off. I hate absolutely everything about it, namely Kirk's character. He is an insanely unlikable jerk and somehow is rewarded for being stupid and impulsive.
This isn't Star Trek, it's Hollywood taking another great thing and taking a massive dump all over it because they have no creativity anymore.
For me, if I want the protagonist dead more than any other person in the film, that is a deal breaker.
As somebody who has NEVER seen the old Star Treks before, I really liked these movies
TheBudworth
Thats why you like them, because you have no idea how far down the quality fell. For us old-schoolers, the plot is juvenile, the dialogue corny, and it comes off as a low budget college parody :/
Well said SpreadingtheMuse. The new movies are Star Trek in name only. The names of the characters are the same, and they're in the same universe (I think..), and that's where the comparison ends. It looks exactly like any other big budget Hollywood crap. It's disgraceful really.
SpreadingtheMuse But those explosions right
You forgot something... Aparrently Spock can scream Kahn so loud that it can be heard in outer space...
*Ding* =D
Zeriwia Chan yep :D Its a pretty obvious one though, noticed it whilst watching in the cinemas :D
Who in Outer Space heard it?
Statalyzer We did, apparently, as the camera zoomed out of Spock in an attempt to be dramatic, which of course wasn't successful due to the whole concept...
Tshhhh... In space, noone can hear you scream...
And then add 100 sins for Khan Singh not looking anything like the original, despite the Narada coming back _well after_ he was put into stasis.
Carol Marcus admiring giant "torpedo" (or whatever is she doing in that scene) in 2:31 of video is priceless.
Plus the turd-faced little creep "riding" the other torpedo behind her.
What, no Sherlock reference?
You forgot a big sin here: When the admiral beamed carol out of the ship, the fucking shields were up. They just said beaming is impossible while the fucking shields are up. What a sin. *ding*
Legendary Spyro
Except that the Admirals ship was more advanced in just about every way. It is not inconceivable that the transporters would have been as well.
yu nofun Then why did Khan need them to lower the shields in order to beam his people up to his ship?
yu nofun Not really a good point, since even in Next Generation, Voyager, etc, far in the future, they still had to lower shields to transport, to my knowledge, the only ones with the ability to transport through shields was Species 8472 and the Borg (and whoever the borg assimilated it from)
RaveriusMax And Q :)
RaveriusMax Honestly your right and even if the admirals starship was more advanced that still doesn't mean it can just beam as much shit as possible.
I am a huge Star Trek fan, but I am so glad this was made! Thank you for putting most of my frustrations into one compilation piece!
Man Anton was one of my favorite actors of all time because he seemed so real to me, especially when I first saw Charlie Barlett. Sucks how he's gone now..
You forgot the sin of having breakable glass throughout the bridge of the Enterprise. Who was the health & safety office, Homer? :)
I want a goddamn red starship. You can't stop me from wanting a red starship.
Everything painted red, it must have a horn, and it will be three times faster and more powerful than enterprise.
Think about what happens to redshirts. Now imagine what would happen to your red ship. :|
2:30 I'm surprised he didn't give this scene a double sin for the alien riding the torpedo in the background
😂😂 ikr
+Kathryn M
OMG good call! Looks like he is goofing on the set and not realizing they are shooting.
+Kathryn M isn't that Scotty's sidekick, whose running gag is him sitting on something and Scotty usually yelling "get doyn from thah!"?
@@MaiAolei and he did tell him to get down in this scene
RIP Chekov you will be missed :((((((
0:36
Why is he asking who he is?
Its quite OBVIOUS he's Bennedict Cumberbatch...
***** Him too.
***** Would he be related to Bandersnatch Cummerbund per chance? 8P
***** Huh... I though for sure it was Eggs-benedict Cucumber...
You mean Penelope Bumbersnatch.
I thought you meant Eggs Benedict Arnold Cucumber Batch.
Okay, I've got a sin for you
"OKAY! KIRK CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE WITH SUPER BLOOD! Oh...but how do we get some? Okay, Spock is already doing his best to kill Khan so let's just make his little revenge quest ten times harder by telling him he has to subdue the target instead of just murdering his ass? That sounds like a solid plan!"
"Um...sir, I actually have another idea."
"Wat?"
"Well, we have like 72 superhumans that are still stored safely in cryo tubes, right? Why don't we just pop open a tube, steal some of their blood and stuff em back in a tube?"
"Um...too dangerous, our plan will work fine..."
"But we could move the cryo tube into one of our cells, I mean Khan couldn't escape that cell before could he? Plus, he wasn't all that violent when he was first woken up. Now all we have to do is set everything up so they'll wake from their cryo sleep or whatever then get everybody out of the room before they fully come around (I mean they'll be groggy and s**t) then threaten to murder the rest of the crew if they don't give you a sample of their blood. Khan was perfectly fine with giving you a sample of his blood, surely they would be too? Besides, if that doesn't work out then just gas 'em and get the blood after they crack their skull from falling on the metal floor."
"..."
"Also Khan thinks you just murdered his entire crew, maybe if you just TELL him that his crew is alive and well and will remain that way so long as he surrenders, he'll turn himself in!"
"...You just got yourself a promotion. Hey, you, red shirt, start prepping one of the cryo tubes."
Plus I'm pretty sure you can still extract someone's blood after they're dead.
Joy Woffindin You are, and I am, but apparently Dr. McCoy doesn't know how to do that... or just get it from the other 78 FUCKING POPSICLES on the ship who had the same magical vampire-blood. .
+GuessWho195 Not to mention that the same vampire blood was injected into a tribble which can now be extracted from the tribble to give to Kirk. Unless of course if the life of a human isn't worth the life of a tribble.
+Viewer2777771 Also, tribble bares a striking resemblance to Donald Trumps hairpiece.
+GuessWho195 Just one question: if it was illegal to use genetic engineering to cure people, wouldn't McCoy be violating the law by using Khan's blood to cure Kirk? If so, why wouldn't he be court-martialed for doing so?
Also, wouldn't the blood also make Kirk super-human like Khan? The only way it could work, would be if it was full of blood-borne retroviruses that contained the augment DNA code, that patched any living thing that it encountered to make it super-strong, and Kirk's cells were still alive and able to recombine them.
"And so, your friend is only MOSTLY dead!"
should have had a bonus round of lens flair.
I don't get why lens flare is so bad... ? Same shit as US hating CGI ?...
Lens flair in itself isn't bad, but when it covers up the action or the faces of actors it is an issue. Jar Jar Abrams is the worst offender and this movie is the pinnacle of to much flair.
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Should pay more attention then, gotta see what you mean, because i didn't really notice it at all D:...
Sin:
the cell phones are also flip phones
richie thach flip phones are the best phones
but to us right now they are outdated
richie thach It's a reference to the old communicators from the original show, which is what inspired cell phones (specifically flip phones) to be invented
The Atom Bombs
Thank you, finally another person who knows what they are talking about!
I cant believe you showed this script's problems in 7 minutes. Because really you could talk for two hours.
Sin: Peter Weller is not Robo-Cop in this film.
nah man, to me you'll always be Sherlock
Spock is a GREAT action hero, he always has been!
I love the "standard issue personal transwarp device" call back its a huge plot hole since "standard issue" implies its just that "standard issue" everyone should have one just like they all have Tricorders and Phasers, that's what "Standard issue" means
Everyone should have one, but they later mention in the movie that Con was the first person to create one. Scotty then implies that Con used his engineering know-how to create it.
I don't know why they just didn't look for the off switch on that bomb. All bombs have off switches, so I've been told, otherwise, terrorists would get into so much trouble without them.
Anyway, please do BBC Sherlock.
Only movies my friend he doesn't do TV shows
He did tv series once and he also did a video game so I don't accept that.
Gta V and what was the TV?
I need to back track and look it up again. It wasn't a tv program I watched nor was the video game one I played so I didn't really retain them.
Why is it a rule that, when there's a terrorist attack, all the important people have to meet up in one room? Do they not have better ways of communicating in the future? How is Kirk apparently the first person to realise that this might not be a good idea and how is Khan the first person who tried to exploit it?
Or... why wouldn't they have at least some sort of shields installed on their major operations buildings in the future? Along with emergency (or even regularly used with encoded access) transporters and other escape systems in any areas top brass would meet? Attacks like that may not happen often on Earth, but things like that should have become a consideration as far back as the Xindi attack from Enterprise (which was followed by a consulate attack the next year that killed several top brass), or at very least systems they added after Nero's attack just a year or so prior.
Alice Eve's acting while Scotty is shouting about the torpedoes is... worth 5 sins alone.
Another sin: Chekov or whatever his name is, in the last movie could beam Kirk up while he's in FREE FALL. But now he can't beam up someone if they're fighting?
to be fair if they were in free fall at least they would have a constant downwards velocity once they hit terminal velocity that could be accounted for, but their movements in hand to hand fighting would be erratic and unpredictable
Another sin: "Chekov or whatever his name is".
I am probably one of the very few people on Earth who hates the Star Trek reboot movies. Star Trek was never about huge action scenes, destruction every 5 seconds, or so many futuristic devices and alien makeup that it makes George Lucas look like Ed Wood. It was about adventure, strategy, real world issues brilliantly translated into exciting stories, becoming emotionally attached to the main characters and even side characters, and some degree of humanity that's not a contrived cliché seen in every lazy sci-fi movie. This is the equivalent of waving your iPhone's camera around while at the same time waving keys in front of the lens. Mindless action and destruction with no emotion or logic and a few Original Series references to make the fan boys stop complaining for 5 seconds. JJ Abrams, you're a genius for most movies, but if you mess up Star Wars as much as you've messed up Star Trek, I'm coming after you!
This second movie was pretty big on storyline, in the DVD interviews they said the visuals and interactions were built around the story and not the opposite. Personally, I find the first one was a lot more blockbuster-type and less Trek-y.
Then again, yes, there's plenty of unneeded VFX and explosions and lens flares and warp "filaments" and lens flares and phaser shots being generic slower-than-light bolts and DID I SAY FUCKING LENS FLARES
...when the actual show and canon movies were more about storytelling, character development, philosophy and strategy.
Don't worry, reading most comments on here I think it's safe to say most people hate the reboots. =P you're not part of the "very few".
I agree with you on a lot of things... but Star Trek was also with great action scenes. The space battle between Reliant and Enterprise was incredible, Star Trek VI also had an incredible action level, not talking about the Dominion War. Star Trek spirit is not ABOUT action, but there IS action, so the fact that there is action in the reboot is totally fine by me, even at this level. The problems are the stories that are not well written :/
I am another one of the few.
Lol, time to go after JJ Abrams apparently. Episode 9 was a dumpster fire. I actually don't consider these to be star trek movies and I agree with you on all points. In my mind, these are "Star Trek Adjacent" but not proper star trek.
Okay, for that last one, did you *really* want a retread of "A Search for Spock"?
The last one?
When he complained about that Deus ex Machina bringing Kirk back.
Kirk had to come back somehow, but I agree about McKoy's testing the torpedoes being ridiculous.
McCoy did assist Spock with the heat-seeking torpedo in ST VI.
that´s no "heat seeker" torp...it is a litteral exhaust sniffer...
It was explained to me that Khan was faking it that time he got stunned by Scotty earlier in the film - he's resistant to it, hence the multiple shots by Uhura at the end
How does genetic engineering a human, make him resistant to phaser fire? What creature were his genes infused with?
Khan is supposed to be a human, but with amplified abilities. Not phaser resistant.
@@exponents2046 something doesn't have to be "infused" with another creatures genes to evolve. It could have had mutations. I don't know much about Star Trek but there's no reason I can see where he couldn't have just had this trait
I can't believe I only just noticed this but the guy who asks who Kahn is was Mickey from Doctor Who!!
I just noticed that the last time I watched it in TV. I half scared my family because in dead silence, I just yelled "It's Mickey the Idiot!!!!!!"
I was more thinking about Deathlock from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
And the fact that Kahn is Sherlock
Seeing Sherlock as Kahn was a big transition. Is was so hard to see him as anything but Sherlock. It will probably be hard with him as Dr. Strange next year too.
+Anis Najwa Mirza What if Benidict Cumberbatch played Docter Who?
at 6:47 Chekov says he can't beam them up from a transport because its moving. but in the first movie he somehow beamed Kirk and Spock up to the ship while they where falling from a drilling platform tens of thousands of meters above the planet.
Ding
It wasnt Kirk and Spock, it was Sulu
***** had a feeling I was wrong about one of those. haven't seen it in a while
its like chekov i thought you could do zat. apparently not
Scotty beamed them onto a moving ship in the first movie. Chekov couldn't because he didn't know transporter technology as well. It was dangerous enough when Scotty did it as was described in the first film pretty plainly.
Huh...... You guys don't understand, he can't beam them cause they are moveing and the black hole in the first movie made it easier to compensate gravitational pull now you understand unding
I was expecting a lens flare bonus round.
"One day I've been off this ship, one bloody day!"
They should really hire this guy to go over the script or screenplay for some of these movies. The amount of plot holes in this was way to much for JJ Abraham
BTW, the guy at 0:32 is Micky/Ricky, Rose's boyfriend from Doctor Who.
He must have thought Benedict Cumberbatch was the Doctor. Ha!
OH! It is! I can't believe I didn't notice that!
0:33 Also, The guy here (Khan) Is Sherlock in the TV show of the same name
Bob The Engifly
OHMYFARORE,DIN,NAYRU IT IS!
Bob The Engifly no shit shrelock, see what i did there :)
On the "Spock is an action hero scene": If you've watched the right episodes in the original series, you'd know that vulcans are actually _really_ strong. On top of that, I'd imagine he got the same security training as someone like Kirk, who's a career officer.
Plus, what is the nerve pinch but a martial arts move?
The only reason I watch it is because Benedict is in it, AND they always have a conversation every minute like wtf?
Ironically, a commercial for Khan Academy played before viewing this.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
Alice Eve is not giving me a lapdance in this scene.
+skykid and neither is Zoe Saldana
+Lessien Séregon She's too busy having boyfriend problems.
+skykid Well you did see her in her undies so that should be enough.
+skykid That's 10 sins there
The "My name is" mix at the end was the best. Well done!
The thing is, he was only pretending to be stunned the first time to get the jump on Scotty and Kirk
See, that's my problem with reboot!Khan. They tried to make him a family man. All he wants is to protect his family, save his crew, blah blah blah. I like the original Khan and his augments because their relationship was built on the knowledge that Khan was supreme. Joachim's dying words to Khan was 'yours is truly superior'. This way, Khan has their loyalty because he's the alpha dog, and it allows him to chase his ambitions. Instead of risking everything to 'save his crew, his "family"' he will drive the crew harder towards the goal, and if they die, he will AVENGE them. Again, Khan's an alpha pack leader, not some deep-voiced family man.
This vid missed out the ridiculous relationship between Spock and Uhura and the fact that the Klingons look nothing like Klingons!
OMG the song at the end had me burst out in laughter in the office that was the best end of the video joke you have so far XD
I'm surprised you didn't sin the fact that Khan turned from a Pakistani Sikh to a white Brit, despite the split in the timeline happening AFTER the eugenics wars.
The character maybe, but Ricardo Montalban was a Spanish Mexican. I don't see why it's so important, as long as the character is played by a competent actor. Like Idris Elba playing Heimdall and Roland Deschain. Does it matter? The guy is a good actor.
Sean Henry I'm not talking about the actor. Montelban was still playing a Pakistani, even if he himself was Mexican.
Cumberbatch is playing a white Brit, complete with the accent and everything.
Sure, putting makeup on him to make him look Pakistani would create quite an uproar, but maybe we shouldn't put white people in roles of other ethnicities then...
So petition Hollywood and crowd fund an "ethnically correct" Star Trek film. As to one ethnicity playing other ethnicities, it shouldn't matter either way. They're actors, it's their job to pretend to be someone else. If you don't like it, write a bad review on rotten tomatoes, boycott the movie, or refer to my first suggestion. If all else fails you can complain about it in the UA-cam comment section.
Sean Henry Or, I can point out that they changed the characters ethnicity in the comment field of a video pointing out flaws in the film, on a channel devoted to pointing out flaws in films without having to write petitions and fight all of Hollywood....
Context, man. Context is everything!
Why does it matter if he's white? It's a different story to the older star treks:/
6:48 Spock is the only one strong enough to fight Khan. Remember, his race is very strong.
ya Khan is 5 times stronger than humans while Vulcans are 3 times stronger
ShehbazAhmed5 That's not refuting my point, that's only giving more credit to it. Again, Spock is the only one strong enough to fight Khan. Khan being stronger doesn't refute that.
Bumbleness Supreme Brady In TOS, Kirk, who was 5 times weaker than Khan, still managed to beat him in hand-to-hand combat by pulling a control rod out of the warp reactor control panel and ringing Khan's chimes with it, and then using it to bludgeon the genetically-optimized villain into the floor. In the new timeline, any human could have done something similar. The fight isn't necessarily won by the stronger opponent, but by the opponent who best uses every advantage the situation offers.
+TheDetailsMatter you're forgetting the difference in arena. They were essentially roof hopping on a highway at 70mph. And Kirk would have no chance of catching up to Khan in the first place; On foot Khan was a great deal faster. Spock was the most physically capable person to contend with Khan on the ship.
I was watching the TOS episode, "The Tholian Web" just recently, and who should divulge the secret of new-timeline Khan's phaser-resistance (not to mention fist-of-Kirk resistance) but old-timeline Leonard "Bones" McCoy, MD. Obviously, Khan had recently pounded down his daily dose of Theragen-derivative prior to allowing himself to be captured on Klingworld.
When Bones passes out his cure for the maddening effects of Tholian space to Spock and Scotty, he tells them "After a jolt of this, you could hit a man with phaser stun, and he wouldn't feel it, or even know it."
Khan must have used his super-intellect to figure out how to use Theragen, a Klingon nerve gas, to render himself impervious to federation stun-weapons to keep himself occupied while waiting for his federation pursuers to catch up with him.
(Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket....,).
Dr. Strange 0:36.
Love the ending man! That mix is a masterpiece :)))) You get 10 sins off for that one
The red ship is never explained because it's always the first to go down. ;P
So it's not just the troops, it's the ships too!
You'd think they'd either make more, because what sort of force puts all their important people on one ship, or flat out ban that color all together because every color except red seems to live with no casualties whatsoever.
Actually, why even color code it at all? I've never seen Star Trek, at least not the original series; is it their specialization or something?
It is to indicate specialization. The red-shirted crew are generally security...hence why they die so much. ;)
Ahh...
Well, that makes sense, given context, but you'd think then there'd be more red floating around in the entire force.
The uniforms were color coded on the original series because network television went full color in Fall 1966, when Star Trek debuted. In fact, they were red, green & blue (RGB) uniforms. The green unis didn't transfer well to film (or TV) & always appeared to be gold.
tommy toggle I actually knew this. Pretty interesting stuff. That's why in the original series, there are a few episodes where Pike's shirt is actually green (they attempted to switch fabrics while using the same color, but it read differently under the lights and didn't come out gold). They did use color to indicate specialization as well, though. :)
I loved this movie but these flaws are well caught on in this video xD
Oh but, Kirk did not have a medical problem, he was distressed by Pike's death and that's why the doc wanted to check him out. Aside from that every other detailed mentioned here is spot on. Keep it up.
that would be a medical mental problem.
How did I miss this?! Awesome, as always! Hahaha!
I loved star trek beyond the cinematography was beautiful. But something about j.j. abrams and his swooping shots, and circular motions that just get me in the movie. I love the way he color grades everything with light blue and adds lens flares with quick cuts in the fight scenes and a shakey cam. The chase scenes as well when he does that far away shot then quickly zooms in. Story wise this one was the strongest of the trilogy in terms of story. Like I said I still REALLY loved star trek beyond
Okay okay, I hate to nit-pick. But the one about Khan's resistance to being stunned... The first time he was stunned, on the Vengeance, he wasn't actually unconscious. He faked it, and then popped right back up to break Carol's leg and kill Pike and all of that other sh*t. So needing like, six or seven shots to stun him isn't that big of a shocker- We already saw earlier that just one wouldn't do it.
ALSO... even if the Phaser did stun Khan, there is a reason why khan is a "super-human"... his body probably became "immune" to the phaser... if that's at all possible... i'm sure it is.
To be fair, I'll forgive this film entirely if it's all ultimately build up to Khan being in the next Star Trek but has spent years being driven insane by having his and his crew's blood endlessly harvested for it's super healing properties and he's a straight up super smart psycho. That'd be pretty cool.
Yeah. Ok. That would make some sense.
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We're told the klingons are launching incursions into our space but all we actually see in the movie is our guys launching an incursion into their home world. That makes us look like the belligerent dicks.
Also, Klingon makeup that looks like that.
The biggest sin is that Abrams took over 40 years of Trek canon and tossed it in the dumpster.
***** no the best thing that could happen to star trek is gene roddenberry rising from the dead
And not replacing it with anything worthwhile...
I don't think he "tossed it in the dumpster"(in fact the 2009 movie is one of the best Trek movies I've seen), but I've always thought that somebody should finally do Star Trek in the 25th century.
Someone creative could easily pull it off. I know TNG was so popular, but they stayed WAY too long in Picard's time.
Dammit CinemaSins, McCoy's a doctor, not an escape plan maker!
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I know I'll get shit for saying this but this is easily my favorite star trek movie....
I think they missed the one where Bones assumes that Khan's blood will revive Kirk, when they could have just as easily used the blood of the man they pulled out of the cryo-tube.
You forgot another sin: Khan shouldn't even be white in this continuity. The timelines of both the original series and this new reboot diverge after Khan's birth, so he should still be a dark-skinned looking guy here.
Obviously Romulans from the future came back in time and changed Khan from a Sikh played by a Spanish guy into an Englishman. It's basically the same reason that warp travel is completely different than it used to be and transporters can beam people half way across the quadrant.
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That certainly makes more sense than what the movie gave us.
Script writer Roberto Orci said that it is possible that they would change his appearance as well as his name so that nobody who has Khan's image on record would recognize him. I'm actually willing to accept that.
Nettacki Not really. We have to remember that everything prior to the Romulans going back in time happened exactly as it did originally, so Khan and the Botany Bay crew were exactly as they were before then. I'd still think Roberto Orci's explanation that I mentioned in my comment is what most likely happened. After all, Starfleet does have an image of Khan in their database, so I'm sure Admiral Marcus had his face surgically altered so that historians wouldn't recognize him.
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If that explanation is true, you'd think they'd have the decency to bring it up during the movie itself, rather than have it be explained off screen in some interview somewhere. Lord knows the movie's long enough that shoving in that explanation wouldn't extend it that much, and it would clear up a lot more confusion and stifle the claims of casual racism from Hollywood somewhat.
Actually, maybe not, for the fact they made Khan a white guy at all, no matter the explanation for it, in a world where minorities are underrepresented in blockbuster movies at large (especially since Khan was originally dark-skinned) is kinda silly. But that's another topic for another day.
the main sin which caused so many other sins in this film is Khan period. Shoehorning in Khan for name recognition derailed what could have been a much better film that didn't end with a punch-up on a flying surfboard. Harrison should have been a double-agent terrorist being used by Marcus to jump-start his war. Marcus should have been the main bad guy with the film ending shortly after his death/downfall.
Think about it - if you didn't know anything about the old series and Wrath, nothing about this Khan character makes you think much about him. He's a super-guy terrorist who wants to be with his super buddies. Why is this guy the main villain and not Marcus? Because of mouth-breathing morons who say "oooo!!! It's Khan! They're in trouble now!" even though he was really less of a threat than Marcus and his secret organization that wanted to plunge the galaxy into war and change Star Fleet from exploration to military might.
The other thing wrong with the film is that they use too many plot contrivances to move the story along. A film can get away with a few but there are too damn many in this film - Khan attacking HQ then conveniently going to Kronos which allows Marcus the chance to start his war, Marcus conveniently putting all the torpedo people on the Enterprise expecting them to fire all 72 of them which is the only reason Khan surrendered to people he had no idea were from Star Fleet, Scotty resigning over the torpedos which conveniently allows him the freedom to sneak into the secret base and onto the Vengeance conveniently disabling it before it could destroy the Enterprise, Marcus' daughter being conveniently on board to delay Marcus from destroying the ship which didn't matter since he beamed her over anyway and Scotty disabled the ship, the Vengeance surviving the internal explosion of 72 photon torpedos then Khan surviving a starship crash which he was aiming at Star Fleet to wipe it out which led to a pointless chase and punch-up scene.
Khan may be a villain, but he's not the "main" villain from the moment his torpedoes are opened until Marcus dies. Nobody on board the Enterprise actually considers him a "main villain" in that time period, or even afterwards - he's just a dangerous man to be defeated.
(except maybe the whole "he killed Kirk so let Spock go get him personally" thing)
As for all the amazing coincidences and contrivances, that's also a trademark of Star Trek and... well, nearly every single show I can think of. In fact, Khan surviving a blow that would've killed any other living creature isn't new either. I'm making a comment on that subject right now.
ScientistCat but Khan is treated as such by having the movie end with his defeat. Marcus shows up and reveals himself to be a bad guy but is killed about 15-20 minutes later then it's back to Khan being the bad guy. The focus of the film should not have been on him but on Marcus and the apparent cover-up to militarize Star Fleet and start a war with the Klingons
Ronin Dave So are you suggsting the movie would've been better off ending with Marcus' death, or...?
Anyway, I don't think the arrest of a few Starfleet officials would've made a good story addition. An inspiring speech, and the promise of 5 years of exploration; what more could you need from Star Trek?
Ah, maybe the fate of the secret shipyard-base-thing where the Vengeance was constructed. They might've mentioned that and briefly shown the facility being dismantled/converted.
ScientistCat if it ended with Marcus' death in a movie where Khan didn't exist, Marcus would have been the main focus of the film rather than a side villain.
The film makers screwed up making Khan the principle villain when they should have focused more on the interesting debate of Star Fleet being a militaristic or exploratory organization.
Ronin Dave Where's the story in that?
The point of a movie is not clearly defined, absolute villains and absolute good guys. It's to tell a story and show character depth, especially in Star Trek. They achieved that by having two apparent main villains, both of whom had good reasons for thinking they were, in fact, just anti-heroes.
The debate, is in the viewer's head. And it's also in Starfleet. There will always be officers, cadets, and even civilians with opposing views on the matter.
A movie shouldn't dwell on this issue, because with all the divergences in opinion among people (real and fictional), it will never be solved.
And somehow this gets less sins than the "Wrath of Khan".
The sin counter isn't supposed to be an actual rating system for movies. Arguably, they might notice more sins in a movie they like from watching it more or generally being more familiar with the plot. Also, a movie length would determine how much content there is to pour over, and there isn't a "sins per runtime minute" figure. Overall, the counter isn't supposed to be comparative.
@Cyberdemon Mike when you grow up you will realise the folly of this statement - after the transcendent Kobayashi Maru scene, 'Wrath' opens with a quote from A Tale of Two Cities, has a more than a nod toward The Tempest and other works by Shakespeare, and is one of the finest stories of naval comradery ever told - 'Into Darkness' is vapid bubble-gum nonsense for children of the post Buffy the Vampire Slayer world.
There must be some bias or something. Wrath of Khan looked like it got a lot of bogus sins.
@Cyberdemon Mike, Hahahahaha!!!! Wait... you were serious?!
These new films are just generic sci-fi action movies featuring characters that only vaguely resemble the ST characters people wish to see (in terms of their actual personalities). This particular one had the added disappointment of recreating whole scenes from the older (better) movie and managing to somehow remove all pathos and excitement from those scenes.
Kirk's mystery illness was prolly cured by super magic blood donation.
+Tiny J A super magical Khan AND Tribble blood concoction
0:31 : Dude, that's Sherlock Holmes!
*That remix at the end.*
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Actually, I can see it harder to beam Spock up then to beam someone down. It's not the moving ship, but the fact that the two are shifting around. It would be like trying to place something on a moving object apposed to picking it up.
Your Eminem gag fizzeled...into darkness.
Should be a sin for every non needed lens flare.
The dinger would have broke, or it would take an hour to ding them all.
Galen Marek would have been like counting the sins in the Twilight movies
Abrams basically felt obligated to overdo it again, since he overdid it in Star Trek 11 and wanted to make the sequel consistent.
Musicrafter Abrams should have never been allowed near Star Trek. Although I guess he gave all the serious Trekkie fans something to sneer and jeer at.
MBKill3rCat Both the reboots were bad. We all had to shut down our brains to enjoy them
You missed one: scene where pike talks to kirk about losing his ship looks almost exactly like the scene in mass effect 3 where shepherd is in his room talking to that guy about how he lost his ship. Seriously, the rooms look almost exactly the same in some shots, how did you miss this?
Maybe because he doesn't want to assume that everyone in the world has played Mass Effect 3 the joke's gotta make a hit and that'd be flying over most peoples heads.
ah, but mass effect 3 has become very widely known over the internet and a certain tyrannicon made a big emphasise on this scene
honestly, found this really funny and amazed at the loop holes
"42", as a numeral often used in movies, is a nod to Douglas Adams - Life, the Universe, and Everything. I remember reading somewhere that someone crunched all numbers spoken in movie scripts, and 42 was the most common.