Aviation insider takes apart latest claims against Boeing | DW Business
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- Опубліковано 27 тра 2024
- A door panel blowout midflight, a cracked cockpit window, a loose wheel, an engine cover striking a wing flap... after several incidents with Boeing aircraft passengers around the world are wondering if the US-made planes are safe to fly. DW's Rob Watts is talking to airline analyst Henry Harteveldt about the company's safety protocol and what current incidents mean to Boeing's future.
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That expert saying "they have processes in place" and "they haven't reported any issues" somehow doesn't fill me with confidence
Parts that fell off a Boeing on the runway in Paris caused CONCORDE to crash and killing everyone onboard , Boeing are a death trap and have been many years ...
They purposely interviewed a pro-Boeing "expert"! Shameful.
It is more dangerous to walk along a road or sit in a car than fly with a plane so why are you still using roads? Like your odds of winning the lottery is almost better than dying on a plane...
An american "Expert" is going to be about as objective as the FAA have been too. Total joke of an interview. And the saying now is if it's a Boeing I'm not going...
@@dalphia1 True, like in USA its not faulty until proven faulty. Good for you until proven poisonous and even then they make a limit to how much they are allowed to poison you. Like their system is a bit "Innocent(positive) until proven guilty(negative). So a bit like "rather sorry than safe", money first.
When we in Europe go guilty until proven innocent with stuff. So a bit like "better safe than sorry", people first.
Those are very good questions.
Those answers are not.
How much money did Boeing pay this guy?
He has a well-balanced argument. There was too much conflict of interest.
He has probably not recently been corrupted, but as an american and someone who worked for many years for american airlines he seems to have a bias towards Boeing. He probably doesn't even feel like he is taking sides when it does seem to me like he clearly does.
"Boeing wants to create the safest plane possible" Pretty sure Boeing has a fiduciary responsibility to make the cheapest plane possible. Clearly safety was a distant second
$5.99
@moos5221 I detected no bias. He just doesn't seem like the type that is anxious about flying.
The Boing boss saying they make safe airplanes ... while their plane doors are literally popping off mid-flight.
How many doors fell off?
@@danharden438does it matter? What matters is that it happened and that it is a matter of concern
just watch : the front fell off on youtube, and secondly the Boing Boss only flies on Airbus
The guy in charge of this mess is comfortable? How reassuring….🤨
In the incident that you are referring to it was actually a cap not a door. And the takeaway is that even with said cap blowing off mid flight the plane remained airworthy and in tact and landed safely. Boeing does not make a bad product, they have just had hiccups with the 737 max. Thousands of boeings have been making successful event free flights day in day out since all of this stuff with the max began.
If its Boeing I'm not going
Me too
+1
They have already caught Boeing mysteriously deleting security camera footage during the probe involving the previous whistleblower. The fact that your guest doesn’t know this court established fact of the mystery lapse in Boeing security footage unfortunately outs him as someone with financial ties to Boeing rather than any kind of objective expert. The fact that the previous whistleblower was found dead of a gunshot should also raise suspicion, even if it was a suicide as alleged, the family of the whistleblower testify that Boeing killed this man through their continuous harassment and surveillance following the start of his whistleblowing.
Who's "They" and please cite a source.
Great times for Airbus 🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺🇪🇺
I think Airbus also don’t want the public to lose faith in aircraft safety
Great future lies ahead for Comac
A&P / aircraft mechanic are desperately needed , even more so than pilots. And that can create issues for a plane made by any manufacturer.
@jm9371
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Boeing has an excellent safety record. They were the first to develop an emergency exit door that would deploy hours before it was needed. Such insight
he has stake in Boeing probably
Excactly. Why do they interview these crooks.
No problem, consumers have no memory
Some of us do
Especially the dead ones 😪 But unfortunatelly for Boeing and the FAA, some of us do have memory, and are having a new moto : if it's Boeing ain't going 😭 I am sad for those who built Boeing that they see that trust vanishing away because of poor management that had short term views with priority on money and not safety 🤦
"The new head of the FAA has made it clear that they are going to take on Boeing..." Great. The NTSB STILL today cannot get Boeing to provide the documentation they have asked for regarding the Alaska Airlines door blowout. Instils a lot of confidence!
This guy didn't read the report it seems. The Whistleblower says that separate parts of the plane if they didn't fit together were forced together regardless of how well they were matched. The problem with this is that these parts of the planes are made from different sub contractors like the wings, the fuselage, the cockpit and tail section. If one of these parts are not fitting and there are gaps, the whisteblower stated that they were stomped on and shoved into place so they fit. You don't create good joinings by doing this. You create fatigue zones that the planes life of service would be compromised.
If a 787 is supposed to last 50 years, by year 25, you may see problems like the joints start failing and breaking apart due to the plane cycles. Since each flight is considered a cycle and planes have to be pressurized for flight. So that expands the plane and when it lands, the plane depressurized as passengers leave the plane. That is a cycle. That puts immense pressure on joints of a plane and if they were forced together and say the rivets were not drilled in properly or bent because these parts were not aligned. Then you have a big problem.
Whoever this analyst is not doing the public a good service by questioning this because this problem has been talked about in the documentary from Aljazeera 9 years ago where they sent people inside the south carolina plant that builds the 787 and documented this exact practice and reported on it. 9 years ago! Workers were asked if they would ever fly on a 787 from that factory and they said no.
boeing is more than "sometimes things go wrong" it seems constant and deadly
Boeing needs to hire more MBAs and accounting people and should focus on shareholders' values instead of engineering and safety so COMAC can take over the market and thrive.
lol agree Boeing needs to fail and fail hard for all their mistakes or they will never learn.
Perhaps less accountants and promises to the shareholders making them more money, keep in mind greed causes and forces companies to find ways to increase output; more planes, more money, however none of these decision makers (Accountants and Shareholders) are not going to be around in 30-40 years. They live in the moment, rather quarterly, lets make money now mentality - that's the society we live in, everything is disposable and have a very limited lifespan -also an acute case of amnesia, in this case amnesia is not when you hit your head on a rock, or on a air craft made my Boeing. Follow the leader, have amnesia, push it under the rug, these are the qualifications when applying for a role at Boeing and other publicly traded companies. where is the accountability?
Exactly wrong. The accountants don't instill a quality culture, quite the opposite.
I wouldn't go to Chinese plane. Their quality control about everything is abysmal.
@@playnochat thanks for point out what COMAC is, I didn't know!
It's a beautiful thing to watch a company that has prioritized profits over people for years imploding right in front of our eyes. Hey @Boeing, you know what they say about karma, right?
Is this guy a Boeing paid spokesman? He is so out of his depth on his remarks about what the whistleblower said about too much pressure were exerted on the metal to pull the composite sections together. Just because it is a composite plane, the sections can have metal flanges.
Friends don’t let friends and family fly Boeing. That really says something about their quality assurance - big fail!
They should discontinue this plane!
Most say if it's Boeing i ain't going ....😅
The emphasis is only on profits.
this guy owns boeing stock
Sounds to me that the analyst is highly biased. Using euphemisms and downplaying anything brought up by the speaker.
Henry Harteveldt doesn’t seem to understand the depth and severity of the issue: In the 20th century Boeing was a remarkably successful aircraft manufacturer because it was first and foremost an engineering company with a focus on engineering excellence, like today’s SpaceX. When Boeing merged with McDonnell Douglas, the latter’s business culture took over and Boeing became a company dominated by MBA’s who don’t know engineering. This led to short term increased profitability as Boeing outsource production of certain components to other vendors and emphasized cost cutting - but this is not the way that you pioneer and build cutting edge technology. Now Boeing has shoddy production methods and quality, loses many of its best engineers and technicians to other companies that value STEM skills better than financial skills, and certainly has lost the technological vision to pioneer new products. MBAs can’t run tech companies.
It’s Boeing to crash they say.
When you chose quantity and profits over quality, it would spell out disaster for you eventually.
Boeing 787 Fuselage shells are made of composite, this is true but these shells are assembled together with metallic straps, bolts, flanges. During the flight these joints are highly loaded and they are definitely fatigue critical features. How dare this spokesman can make the built in stress topic as if it is such a small issue? I hope authorities chosen for the investigations have at least some technical background. Otherwise we have then a real issue by under estimating the real stress, static, fatigue relevant realities.
OHHHH THANK GOD, THEY HAVE A PROCESS!! lol, who is this dude and how much did Boeing pay him? He sounds more like a Boeing lawyer than an aviation analyst…
NO! The new CEO is another accountant, not an engineer. DOOMED!
Now a day, playing Boeing Roulette is far more dangerous than playing Russian Roulette.
Boeing whistleblowers shouldn't use parking lots
Boeing not only need to change the CEO, they need to change their culture. And culture is very hard to change. They also need to layoff all the top management from MD and the beancounters.
When carbon fiber goes, it goes. There not a lot of bending, except maybe for its wings. If there's a section of the 787's fuselage that is subject to too much stress that was not factored in and designed accordingly by Boeing's engineers then, overtime it could result in a catastrophic failure, the same fate shared by that little composite Titanic submersible that simply crumbled when it was overcome by pressure. Though in the case of airliners, it's not as cut and dry. Too many factors need to be observed, aircraft pressure differential, cabin humidity, number of takeoff and landing cycles, hard landings, rate of climb and descent particularly, etc. All those things exert pressure and fatigue to any aircraft. The 787 is Boeing's first fully composite made aircraft, naturally, if there's any unforseen design fault, be prepared for a major incident or God forbid, fatal accident of a 787 in a few years.
Yup, the submarine made of composites was existing fine until it didn't exist any more. No warning or signs, just sudden complete failure.
Having boarded the 737 MAX 8 twice before the tragic crashes, I count myself fortunate to have escaped unharmed. However, these incidents have shaken my confidence in Boeing to its core. If I decide to fly in the future, my preference will unequivocally lean towards Airbus or Embraer aircraft. Rectifying the issues plaguing Boeing seems like an arduous task that may span decades, assuming it's even achievable amidst their current trajectory of missteps in aircraft manufacturing.
Trust me bro doesn’t insult confidence. Boeing should not be self-certifying their planes at all!!!
The engineering experience coupled with individual industry qualifications at Boeing far exceeds anything found elsewhere within the industry.........so just who do you propose?
@@KIA-MIA-POWFAA independent teams I guess 😁 or what is the purpose of having an Independent certification body if the guys come from the same team ey 🤦 Any plane that had Boeing team work as FAA team should be recertified as a type 👌 Btw who trust the FAA now ? 🤔
@testman9541
The FAA, like many other federal agencies, has been politicised and weaponised under the Biden administration. Their independent objectivity, particularly in such a critical and highly technical sphere, can no longer be assumed or guaranteed. Boeing continues to maintain its high standard of industry competence, and several small and relatively insignificant occurrences won't change that.
"FAA is holding Boeing at a high standard" 😂😂😂😂😂
Didn’t someone from Boeing say… it’s the plane built by monkeys supervised by clowns… I think it related to 737 max’es though… but philosophy might have spread to other aircraft production lines 😢
Boeing’s practices have no credibility! That’s not reassuring at all.
There is still fatigue with composites
And much harder to detect than with metal alloys, with a lot less indication before a catastrophic failure.
To this day, I don’t trust highly-stressed carbon fiber components on bicycles. A bottle cage or phone holder snapping is one thing, a fork, seatpost, wheel or frame suddenly snapping is quite another!
Rob Watts = RobWords ?!?
Edit: Yeah, it's him/you. That's cool. =)
They are all liars.
I am a professional engineer who has worked on aircraft design and construction for 60 plus years.
Airliners are a product that has to be produced to as close to perfection as is humanly possible
Boeing did this with the 707 thru to the present certified 777. It was an Engineering run company thru this period
From the 787 to the 737Max it was not run as an Engineering company as far as I can determine.
All Boeing aircraft built since then are are not as safe . Hopefully reasonably ,some sort of correction is being made but seems the one with the lost door got missed. MBAs are a danger in aircraft production and a team of experienced engineers is needed. TheFAA needs fixing too.
The guy answering questions knows very well, if he said something bad about Boeing, he will be mysteriously found in parking lot with a bu in his head. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
The only reason why Boeing is still able to sell airplanes is the fact that Airbus can't produce enough to deliver the whole market and that there is no other viable competitor. Imagine if the producer of baby milk powder is responsible for 346 deaths a few years ago and having problem with safety ever since..would anyone buy baby milk powder from that producer if it's not even cheaper or in any way superior to other manufacturers? Obviously not. Nobody would buy a Boeing plane anymore if they really had a choice. Boeing has proven for years that they 1) aren't able to build safe planes and 2) don't care if people die due to their faulty manufacturing. The only thing Boeing cares about is dividends for their shareholders.
So the real issue with Airbus is that they failed to anticipate Boeing getting caught. Wow.
The hardest thing to change in a large company is the corporate culture and it's ethics. The fact that the whistleblower identity is very carefully hiddens suggests corruption of a criminal level persists in Boeing
It will take some time, but they'll be back. The industry needs a Global company like Boeing.
The disconnect here seems to be from an interview being done from a media perspective and answers being done from an industry perspective. Nothing against either person talking. But when the concern cited is metal fatigue and the planes are not made of metal there can only be one answer to that. The door fell off of a jetliner a few months ago and it was a big story and the media is looking for follow up angles, but no the planes are not made of metal and employees arent stomping parts into shape, and boeing is no less a viable option to airlines because of it.
Iv let all my Family and friends know not to fly Boeing, but.... I still feel this is not enough. What if they get scammed by a ad or something, it says airbus, but upon boarding it is a boeing. Like you wont be refunded. Im sure they can come up with a excuse to not refund you. And it is such a inconvenience. I saw a lady get kicked out of the airport because she snapped.
This issue is more than Boeing its the entire airline industry. They have thought about how to take away our choice on the planes we choose than we think. I dont want to pay for a ticket unless i know with assurance it is not a Boeing. Not using Boeing is tougher than it seems.
Air Canada Rouge and Porter Airline only use Air Buses. Hopefully …that’s what they advertise.
Calhoun says he "we feel that our planes are safe!". He cannot say how they are sure that the planes are safe! That is the difference between a Beancounter and an engineer! In the engineering world you can not say I feel my product is safe! An engineer says I have done this and that and the results of the work shows that the product is safe!
Boeing needs to kick out the mcdonald douglas staff
I can genuinely say I put more care and attention into repairing my cars than Boeing does with production.
Which honestly just means I own and religiously use a digital torque wrench.
I’m happy that you trust Boeing. I hope for your sake they do not kill you. I’ll be actively avoiding going anywhere near a Boeing. So sad. I used to love those planes… :-(
EXCELLENT INTERVIEW BOTH THE HOST N THE GUEST! I thoroughly enjoyed it!
Everything the fellow Engineer stated in his whistleblow case is 100% true every time I brought something up to management, I myself was retaliated on. Yet, if you bring retaliation up to HR or ethics there only there to protect the management. Now that the FAA was getting involved I couldn't wait to talk to them, but then I opened my mouth about that and was released from the company, hmm retaliation, I think so. After I heard John get shot I've been afraid to speak out about anything, witch I'm sure is the deal with alot of fellow employees. But what goes around comes around good luck Boeing.
This fellow contradicted himself. He said that Boeing keeps having terrible weeks but then basically said they have teriffic processes in place, that the airlines never find issues wrong with the planes and by default are tickled pink with Boeing and that because there have been no one else who has spoken out about specifically about them jumping up and down on the fuselage it should be taken with a grain of salt. Similiar I guess to the FAA finding that Spirit had been using dawn dish soap and hotel key cards to get parts to fit. He mentions that process have been fixed but what about all the other planes cutrently thar had been constructed using improper methods?
Can they comeback? Maybe if they focus on quality and not on share price but I’m not holding my breath 🤦🏻♂️
What’s concerning is the carbon fiber if the pieces don’t fit together properly there could definitely be problems down the road
“You’d think there would be videos that emerged”
Meanwhile *Decade long engineer at Boeing testifying*
they need to put an engineer in charge
I started to check the airplane type before booking!
If it's Boeing, I ain't going!
yeah, me too.
I just flew a new 787 in business class and found a loose screw in between the seat divider. Not a structual issue, but it just shows the sloppy workmanship
I'm not walking I will get on an airplane without fear sponsored comment Paid for by Boeing
Quality Driven Management (QDM) requires that employees believe the process. It can take a long time to create a culture of quality in large manufacturing situations.
the way the management doesn't care about the basic manufacturing procedures tells this company has hired incompetent and careless key individuals. this is real danger, it's not car manufacturing. they absolutely don't know what they are doing. they don't even recognise the major incidents that already happened. culture of denial means death in airplane industry: your children, wife, family are no longer protected in these planes.
I do not intend to fly anywhere anytime soon; not even for funerals. I prefer to watch the world on television these days. I have been to some countries, and I have done some living, thank Goodness.
Well I still want to travel overseas. Someone needs to start a transatlantic boat crossing. I would take it.
Not until they put engineers in charge and get rid of the finance geniuses
There is a saying in Germany, "Er redet sich un Kopf und Kragen"
I hope this analyst's background is an engineer or machinist, at least. I'm not a fan of the way he explained the issues. The 5-10lbs, for example, could be a fastener torque spec on a very fine thread, and in that case yes it makes a huge difference. Also composite parts interface with various metal parts, etc. Such a rabbit hole here that you can't really explain it. Need to look at the process, drawings, and inspection reports.
this so called expert does not catch the point of the whistleblower! The connection of the fuselage compartments, which are made of CFK materials, are carried out using metallic parts! That, if not done properly, can be lead to fatigue of the connections!
I'm not flying Boeing for the next 5-10 years. I'm flying airbus or the new Chinese airplanes.
If it's a Boeing now I'm not going
If it is Boeing I ain't not going.
Yes, it can come back by improving its safety policies.
If it’s Boeing, I ain’t going.
The FAA investigation team went to the manufacturing plant at Boeing. They refused to cooperate and they "didn't have any video recordings" ...
I will not fly in a dream liner or a max jet ever
I literally avoid booking any flights on new boeing planes. I always check exactly what plane ill be on. 737-800, 777 fine. But if its737 max or 787, i then go to other airlines.
The same company that makes carbon fuselage for Boeing also makes fuselage for Airbus.
The issue that was brought up was when joining the sections of those carbon composite fuselage from the nose to the tail section. The whistleblower said he witnessed the stomping on the joints to make sure they are fitted together but at the same time leaving some gaps between the joints. Manufacturing is not all dependent on materials but installation or fabrication matters tremendously.
Dont listen a word of this so-called analyst; he is doing the Boeing's bidding. Corrupt!
The "analyst" doesn't know what he is talking about. Materials suffering from fatigue is not limited to metals, and also can affect other materials including carbon fibre, so the "analyst" who is claiming that there can be no fatigue due to no metal being present is extremely ignorant. If there is a gap in bonded material because of lack of fit, then this creates a stress concentration which can lead to fatigue failure when subject to rdpeated load cycles, or brittle fracture when subjected to rapidly increasing loading. This is a professional engineer posting by the way.
Boeing will solve this! God bless the engineers and workers that make our planes safer
Great questions.
Americans should demand Airbus from their carriers. After all, do we choose Dodge or mercedes for our kids? We only choose the former if we are broke. USA is great, but its capital markets does not create good products, thats europes job.
only solution for boeing is exchange greedy managers for engineers
If it’s Boeing - i’m not going!
Easiest job in the world now is airbus salesman
Allan mullaly needs to be back as it's ceo to bring back the engineering company it was rather than a profit making cow
Sure glad I never bought stock.
But this is only from the American side.
DW needs to replace this so called expert. We are well past the point of giving BOEING and its subsidiaries the benefit of the doubt.
I highly advise to watch John Oliver’s Last week tonight about boing from last month!
And was the first whistleblower murdered
We Boeing, Guarantee 100% fatality rate of quick and sudden painless death
Wow that guy seems like a total Boeing plant. Everything he said tried to discredit this whistle blower. Time will tell but his answers were very biased IMO.
Exactly; Boeing sent its dog to attack the whistleblower.
Sure, if they has enough fuel
airbus advertising this well
Future of aviation: Airbus, Tupolev, COMAC. 😊
Boeing is not going anywhere. They still have the ability to built one of the biggest passenger planes, which only few companies in the world have. They just need to focus on safety and quality more.
14:30 why is Boeing delivering so slowly? Answer given: gaslight gaslight gaslight. Real answer: they are not trusted and extra inspection is required because of the high public risk. Boeing is not safe.
Has europe fined boeing?
If a 787 flies apart because of BA quality issues, You can bet Boeing will not be back. And that looks like a very real possible scenario. Boeing at that point will be split up and sold.