SOS Bros React - Pluto Episode 5 - Gesicht is Unbreakable
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- Опубліковано 17 лис 2024
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Yeah that hand washing scene also altered my brain chemistry forever. It's such effective imagery. Absolute gut punch.
The context is different but the robot washing its hands is also a Shakespeare thing with Lady Macbeth. I don’t know if this was intentional, but it works great as an allusion because it furthers the idea of the humanity within robots even more, showing that they even have such negative, lasting emotions from what they’ve done that it even connects them to a Shakespeare human tragedy.
If I'm not mistaken, excessive washing of oneself is a real-life thing that people can do because of guilt and stuff. There were studies done on it I think (don't take my word for it though). So I don't know if it was a reference to Shakespeare, but it's so cool that Shakespeare would notice or think of something like that centuries before it was studied
I always thought that the washing hands part is like trying to wash off the blood off their hands, like trying to wash away the guilt of killing many people whom you are responsible of.
Tenma was one of the most interesting and probably heartwarming characters (In a weird way) in this show imo.
The little montage of him realizing that Atom was fundamentally different from Tobio felt pretty heartcrushing, even though it was a very selfish feeling on his part. I love how he's introduced looking gloomy and indifferent, only for us to realize that behind all that is still a lot of grief and forlorn attachment to Atom.
I haven't consumed much original Astro Boy content outside of this and a couple other obscure things, but I wonder how this characterization differs from its predecessors.
And then he sold him to a circus.
Well in the original, Dr. Tenma is basically in good terms with Atom and gives him an upgrade to defeat Pluto.
@JARZR If I recall the manga tenma wasn't trusted by the other father figure or astro. Tenma helping upgrade astro was a moment of redemption for him
Epsilon floating in in his bubble like Glinda the Good Witch made me snort my tea.
I haven't seen the rest of the show yet, I am watching at SOS reaction pace, so this is entirely based on what I have seen in the episodes to date and contains no references to anything past this episode. But I was kind of surprised they didn't seem to mention this
In the flashbacks of Gesicht killing the guy's brother and the events leading up to it, etc... I got the really strong impression that the robot kid that the guy had just killed (whose corpse was in the bag that he threw at Gesicht as a distraction) was Gesicht's robot kid. The stuff about robot adoption, the way Gesicht's wife called right after news of another abduction and he took off to review the evidence (maybe they'd had a repair crew recently?), find the guy and end him. I feel like, after that they both had their memories wiped, but the emotion of grief and hatred stayed and is cresting for Gesicht since he's facing situations that would heterodyne within memories. Just my impression.
Honestly I'm a little insane about Pluto being named Pluto specifically, because of the whole Hades-and-Persephone thing. Yeah Pluto's the god of wealth as well as the dead, but there's still that tangential connection to Spring.
I love how they are assuming Pluto was Tenmas creation because of what the reveal is gonna be in the final episode. Also, that teddy bear...
I love the idea of a perfect AI being unable to decide on who it's supposed to be, when it's given 9.9 billion equally acceptable options... but what's even more fascinating to me, is that humans have a state like this. before our lives begin, we have all of that same potential. that's how the contents of humanity propagated the world in the way we see today. but what tips the scale for us, is everything that happens to us after we're born. obviously different people can respond to the same stimuli in different ways, but essentially, if you're asking for an unbalanced emotion to affect the trajectory of someone's personality... love works too. that's what parenting attempts to do.
I think Dr. Tenma is correct in saying that robots deserve the ability to decide what to do with hatred when they feel it. if you remove a person's right to their anger, then you've basically created someone who cannot respond to abuses that they see or experience. you've removed their tools for that. and hatred doesn't always have to translate into violence... but such an extreme response is often reserved for a very extreme catalyst. I agree that robots are being violated by having this limiter put on them.
but that doesn't mean that hatred is the key to being human. being human is the whole package. and when you teach a child how to process their emotions, you have to address all of the things they feel, because that's non-negotiable. we don't get to choose what the child feels... we get to help them handle it, whatever it is. but I think that's why Tenma couldn't handle Atom after losing Tobio. it's such a stark contrast... Tobio had it all in him, and he was becoming someone. and even if it was turbulent, it was still the real way that life moves. Atom can only seem completely artificial to him, and it hurts, because even the closest he could get isn't Tobio. nothing ever will be.
I think Dr. Tenma's grief informs a lot of his thoughts about AI, and what it would need to be capable of, in order to be as real as people are. when you look at someone like Gezicht, or Uran, or Epsilon, or Hercules... they've all come to very different conclusions about how to respond to anger, or grief, or large scale destruction and tragedy. even if their tools are limited, they still experience these things. and even the most extreme responses are still accessible to them, even with great difficulty.
I think one of my favorite conversations is between Hercules and Epsilon, where Epsilon observes that Hercules may have learned hatred from his time in the war. Epsilon himself never participated in the war, because he is a true pacifist, and felt that the war should never have occurred at all. finally, in the end, Hercules agrees. he's a fighter, but that was no fight. something horrible happened there. and now they both have to handle it, regardless of whatever part they did or didn't play. look at how different their experiences have been, and how different they've turned out to be. but the conditions of their creation fundamentally decided their roles before the war even happened. Hercules was built for fighting. so were Brando, and North no.2. would they have had the option, or ever thought to respond, the way that Epsilon did?
I guess that's how parentage works for robots. and if it feels cold or detached, that's mostly on us. and it makes it very ironic, how clearly you can feel the love of those robot parents toward their child in Gezicht's memory. it's funny to me, that Adolf is so concerned for his own wife and child... at every turn, he's so emotionally similar to the victims of his brother's crimes. and his attempt to kill Gezicht begs the question. who has a right to their grief? who has a right to their own actions? was Adolf even any more deserving of the actions he was about to choose? at every turn, he makes horrible decisions... but he gets to make them. law enforcement literally exists to clean up the mistakes that human beings are allowed to make. in some ways, Gezicht really is the most unfairly used public servant.
My exact reaction to the principal was “Holy shit, Reichwine”
I'll add little easter eggs that I've realized from each episode from the original manga, most have been told (like Blackjack being the doctor and dr Tenma being the inspiration for Tenma in Monster) but a cool detail that I realized with this episode is how they took Gesicht’s original form and translated it. In the manga, the Zeronium makes him look golden, blond hair, but he's also bald so there goes his receding hair, his other distinctive trait is his big nose and his weapon is not a handcannon but several small laser cannons in his chest that are in the place where they charge him when he's injured in Pluto
I'm still not sure if being unfamiliar with the original source (Astroboy) is a good or bad thing. In one side it gives them a fresh perspective, but also leads to a lot of weird misunderstandings that would be clear if they were familiar with Astroboy's characters.
but it spoils the whole twist at the end with Dr. Goji. I was fascinated by how many things Pluto caries over from Tezuka's original story.
The 9.9 billion possibilities idea makes a lot more sense now that we've started using web scraping and branded it A.I.
Search engines are web scraping. AI, or ML is pretty different. ML is learning through experience basically, just that unlike a human, we can give a machine the entire internet as experience to learn from.
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I’m surprised they didn’t realize that the robot kid Adolf’s brother murdered was the son of the main character.
That revelation is for the next episode
Haven't watched the show, only read the Manga, but isn't that revealed just at the end? In one of the last chapters I think.