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I agree - but I feel like that's a repeating theme throughout history. Generally the big, benevolent "empire" tends to hold itself back instead of going full ham on everyone.
Technically speaking, a regular Phaser weapon has enough power to glass a world, to sterilize it clean. I don't think it's beyond reason for a Lance-class Phaser to be able to perform planet-busting. It is definitely a weapon of mass destruction. I will, however, disagree that it's the most powerful weapon. The Destabilized Dimensional Rift Projector from the Terran's Cygnus Class Battlecruiser is a truly terrifying weapon in concept. While typically used in small-scale engagements, where it merely shunts its targets out of the local time-space reality temporarily while wracking their hulls with cross-dimensional turbulence, if used recklessly it could cause some incredible free-cascading dimensional devastation. Imagine having a destabilized dimensional rift fired at a planet; every living thing beneath being sucked across multiple timelines like noodles through a straw wile being bombarded by levels of radiation so intense they can melt hull materials. Terran Weapons were always designed with a level of horrific brutality that is hard not to admire. And then, of course, there's the mid-late 26th century's direct evolution to the Phaser Lance... the Gravitic Lance, as predominantly featured on the Universe and Congo class starships. A weapon capable of crunching space within its firing arc like a redneck squishing a beer can. A weapon literally based on the technology of the Tox Uthat and capable of snuffing out stars or inverting the material plane of reality on an inter-solar scale. A weapon that can be as narrow and clean as a scalpel, or massive enough to wipe away the entire Sphere Builder incursion in the Procyon System in a single, well-placed bloom of retribution. The Gravitic Lance is a what you get when the Good Guys decide to take a page from all those failed villains with their Big Ship And Doomsday Weapon playbook. A weapon that can split fate and the heavens, like the fabled Rhongomyniad unleashed.
@@eskanda3434 Out of the Federation weapons, the tricobalt munitions are probably the most powerful. Ships the size of the Enterprise D would surely include them in their inventory, probably kelp under lock and key in their own special weapons storage locker. Voyager utilized a couple of them against the Caretaker Array. I suspect that Benjamin Maxwell may have utilized on against the Cardassian space station, but it wasn't mentioned. That phaser lance is super wicked through. Thinking about that Voyager episode, it took about 20 to 3p seconds for the tricobalt munitions to be ready for use. They're apparently not kept at ready-use status. I picture a dozen Starfleet Marines with their Type III phaser rifles being present when the tricobalt munitions storage locker is accessed, escorting them to the torpedo bays every step of the way.
I love this redesign/upgrade Galaxy class. I thought it was so awesome decloaking in "All good things" and tearing holes into the Klingon ships. So cool! 😎🍻
it has a decent chance to 1v1 and win with that spinal lance. especially if it can attack from a vector where not all jem hadar weapon have coverage. like from behind or from the bottom.
My head canon is the spinal lance was built to not only punch through the shields and outer hull of a Borg cube but ' drill ' through several hundred meters of hardened superstructure to destroy critical systems such as shield and power generators or the Vinculum in one shot.
Oh my yes, it would be made too late to do so but if a few of those ships and weapons had been around then the war could have gone very differently. But only maybe. The great battles mentioned in DS9 talk about hundreds of ships being involved, so if there weren't enough of those great lances to go around then the only real difference would be a better kill rate for Federation fleets that still end up being destroyed or routed.
I liked the Galaxy X/Galaxy Dreadnought class. But i didn't like the third nacelle. But now that the D is canonically rebuilt, we could see the D get a X-class refit someday.
One does not simply expect the NX-Enterprise to be a battle wagon. She was an exploration ship with defensive systems that were decently advanced given the restrictions the Vulcans laid on United Earth. The main reason she had issues was the species she met. The warrior races, Klingons and Andorians, and the more technologically advanced, The Romulans and The Borg, are expected to have better weapons than the early human space fleet.
The learning-curve was brutally steep, but she hung in there ….. and added a few choice stanzas to the Ballad of Enterprises Past. To me, NX-01 was the most beautiful Enterprise of them all. Given warp-tech, she’s the Enterprise that our great-grandchildren will build.
I love the design and am so used to flying it in STO that using a two-nacelled Galaxy class feels weird. I really, really hope we get a three-nacelle version of the World Razer-class someday!
I think the Dreadnought Galaxy should have been a quad nacelle design with thicker redesigned pylons. Then change up the forward section of the engineering hull with a beefier look that way you can imply that the powerplant outputs enough to sustain 4 warp nacelles and a new looking deflector dish would also further imply that Starfleet was aware of the shortcomings of the Galaxy-class and did a refit to rectify those issues. Of course this is all with the benefit of hindsight after having seen all the subsequent ST series.
I prefer triremes (3-nacelle models) -- except for the ugly Niagra-class kitbash -- and hate how common (and frankly overused) 4-nacelle designs are becoming.
The Galaxy X is another personal favorite ship of mine. Yes, I know, it's from All Good Things, but I wish this ship was made canon. At least, modern dau canon, to be precise.
I feel like a proto-Galaxy X should've featured in DS9 as an experimental battle refit program that showed one of the galaxy's getting a massive overhaul but proving too intensive and slow to refit versus other more purpose designed classes
It would need to be attached to the saucer section, like the (on paper) TOS Federation-class design, for that to make sense, otherwise it gets cut off during saucer separation. That's why the _original_ dreadnaught places the center warp where it does, to give a separated saucer warp capability.
It is possible to see it in its prototype build form in lower decks and prodigy. Even if it’s dark corner of a station with window light on nacelle’s glowing and Boimler says “what’s that over there??” Mariner “Ignore that. We are not suppose to know what happens on that part of the station. Besides engineers won’t let us touch it until they think it’s perfect.” Then flying on by with out a second look.
In my head, the inside of the Dreadnought looks like the Enterprise in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' all dark and same uniforms, as it is a warship. Might as well be the same ship or at least look like the World Razer in Picard season 2!
Man that was like my dad who's like captain Kirk, captain Picard Enterprises hehe Captain Riker ship from the future was like my ship at a later part in my later life! I fucking loved that ship!!
If you want to go deeper into a modified Galaxy class ship, the USS Excalibur A from the New Frontier novels. While it doesn't show up elsewhere, it is an interesting look in how to retrofit a Galaxy class from the "luxury cruise ship in space" into ready for war against the Borg and the Dominion
In my headcannon, the Galaxy X's third nacelle was part of how they fixed the issue of the warp core breaching if someone hicupped anywhere on the secondary hull. In the prime timeline this wasn't necessary because they had the Ross Class replace the Galaxy Class instead of upgrading the class to that extent, and the Ross Class never had the constant warp core breach problem the Galaxy Class suffered from, making a third nacelle unnecessary.
I'm old enough to remember that the "dreadnought" class was conceived in some of roddenberry's original words or at least artist conceptions of it but never used and tell much much later of course.
Though, the Star Fleet Technical Manual, the first Star Trek publication which kind of started a trend of Star Trek books describing ships or tech, showed the Connie, and the single nacelle Saladin and Hermes and the 3 nacelle Federation class dreadnought (and the tug). Now though this isn't official canon, it was there from the beginning of Star Trek right back to the original show. I think the first game based on that was the Star Fleet Battle Manual by Lou Zocchi but the more famous one was Star Fleet Battles which made all those SFTM ships the first ones on the game. In that game the nacelles were the primary source of power (not just the drive) and the third nacelle gave you 50% more power. Likewise the Saladin's single nacelle required a lot of finesse to operate with half the power. And that's why I still have nostalgia for the 3 nacelle dreadnought. If you want to see some of these ships in action, try watching Of Gods and Men, a Star Trek movie on youTube starring a whole lot of Star Trek actors. You even see the Fesarious (or what is left of it).
1:17 "are you ready to take control of your own starship" *me, controlling the "legendary dreadnought cruiser" galaxy class in star trek online (the same ship being talked about in this video) .* uhhh.... yes?
Didn't mention the Galaxy-X's appearance in "Birth of the Federation" '90s PC game. It was a mid-to-late-game standard Federation vessel. Due to the game's limited combat modeling and mechanics, "number of phaser arrays" were increased over the base Galaxy, but no specific phaser lance in function, though it was modeled graphically. Additionally, it was rendered obsolete by the Sovereign in-game.
Well you have to remember with the NX Class it was a completely new design of Starship that was developed by the United Earth which was the precursor to the United Federation of Planets and the reason the NX Class wasn't as powerful as her successors from the Constitution Class to the Sovereign Class is because the said Class of the 22nd century was all new experimental systems hence the first 2 letters NX which is experimental like the U.S.S. Excelsior remember her registry number was originally NX-2000 so with the NX Class she didn't have the firepower of the other races her crew encountered because remember in the first episode of Star Trek:Enterprise the NX-01 was launched ahead of schedule with most of her systems still not installed like the: Pulsed Phase Cannons Torpedo launch systems Though technically she already had torpedoes but they weren't as powerful as the photonic torpedoes she got before she left for the Expanse to deal with the Xindi but before she left for that encounter aside from the newly developed photonic torpedoes she received numerous upgrades to her polarized hull plating and her phase Cannons.
I honestly hoped the end of Picard would bring this idea back to life and we’d get to see the long lost galaxy X… instead we got the disappointment of the titan as the next enterprise.
Some of the technology was built. In the USS Venture the nacelle phaser pods were installed meaning either Starfleet came up with some of the technology or Picard told them about it to be created. Either way, I think the tech actually was created, although maybe only one or two galaxy class ships were refitted so they are very rare. Maybe Starfleet decided it wasn't worth the work to refit galaxy class ships or as you said, there were not many left to convert. maybe it was drawn up and planned for the D, but since it was destroyed, never implemented.
The problem is.....the third nacelle is akin to putting a third axle (and two more tires) on a car. The nacelle transfers power, but doesn't generate it. It's much less of an upgrade that it's perceived to be.
The third nacelle is odd. You would think maybe the had a 4th on the bottom. As a redundancy thing where maybe only two are ever in use but if one is damaged the could use the other pair.
I have thought for a long time when the dominion was kicked off, the federation should have build dreadnaught saucer sections and wondered what that would have looked like
I agree somewhat with Andrew Probert, I liked the additional weaponry they gave it I thought that looked okay but I hated the 3rd warp nacelle on the future Enterprise D it looks like it was just bolted on last minute to make it obvious this was an upgraded version. If they wanted to make it look different they should have just changed the existing nacelles and made them bigger or something.
lol Unlike most here I have a different thought on the Galaxy X, I think it's lazy design. It's like "ok lets create a really cool new ship" then one dude is like... "what if we just put a third nacelle right in the middle of the other two and leave everything else as is!" and just make up a bunch of new "upgraded specs" on paper.I am a huge Star Trek fan and Im just talkin shit but honestly, out of all the ship designs, this one looks like a thrown together last min ran out of ideas type thing.
If they could come up with a new star trek series following picard. They could easily have Riker bring back the enterprise d as the galaxy dreadnaut. It might be a little confusing with the enterprise g being revealed in picard final episode.
Same here formally ISS Belgrade now USS Belgrade still i kept the ISS she has max type antiprotons and distruptors and the the Valkyrie wings and Terran set all maxed out like Reaper
The dominion war would have been a good time to start upgrading some of the galaxy class ships with some of the galaxy x features. The extra cannons or spinal lance would have helped and war is the biggest motivator in spending and technological improvements.
What knots my noodle is what happens to the BFG when the saucer separates...? The video confirms that the saucer is still capable of separation, but also mentions that the Spinal Lance is integrated into "the hull" and thus can't be removed - but _which_ hull? Does it remain slung beneath the saucer (leaving a huge hole in the Engineering hull pylon), or does it project from the front of the Battle Bridge like Pinocchio's nose...?
Since the third nacelle likely didn't serve much of a purpose other than the "oooOOO, that looks cool" effect, that pylon would have been better served by mounting the Nebula class's tactical pod there. If you are going to turn the Galaxy class into a dreadnought, then you might as well go all in!
I've always had mixed feelings about the Galaxy Dreadnought. Sure, it's got all the cool toys, but it looks like it's working against itself. For example, the third nacelle is directly in front of the main impulse engines, and nixing the extra nacelle for the Lance would have made the design fit starfleet doctrine way more. Lovely breakdown 👏🏻
I always loved the notion of The Enterprise D being a warship. Here's a thought though. This Galaxy Dreadnought vs the Dreadnought of the Kelvin timeline?
I love the design. Being a battleship it needs more redundancy, look at what happened to at the battle at the end of Generations. The Enterprise couldn't form a stable warp field to retreat because the nacelle was hit. With 3 nacelles, one is redundant and if one is hit the ship can still retreat if needed.
I will be honest; I was expecting the Enterprise D to get the Galaxy X upgrade at the end of Picard Season 3. Given that the entire fleet has an exploitable flaw in its design, the Enterprise D was the only one still standing. Had expected it to be brought back into service and upgraded while the fleet was being corrected.
I always thought that no matter what era.. the DREADNOUGHT CLASS, never got enough love..though I would have loved it more, if it had been simetrical..and had 4 drivewings..prompting me to imagine the next step up and more more powerful, JUGGERNAUT CLASS..with obviously 4.. instead of 3.
it should've been brought out in DS9's dominion war as it would've made sense for starfleet to have it as part of their preparations for them & other threats
Yet something else they could do with Legacy, say a universe where the Terran Empire never fell, a Galaxy X from that universe ends up in the prime timeline and say Admiral Janeway leads a fleet against it but since its more OP than the TNG one (Its terran of course its gonna be a beast) Seven rescues the Admiral and her crew from their wreck of a ship, they find a way to exploit the one thing that brung the Ent D to its knee's every time, antimatter containment failure. Seven and Janeway use sevens knowledge of Borg tech to help destroy the ship as its going on a rampage. Perhaps a brought back to life Captain Shaw whos perhaps Sevens "Captain of Engineering" also chimes in and says he worked for a while building Galaxy class's for a couple of years and makes a note that about something in their build and if its the same on that dreadnought, they may have a chance. May be Seven also does a Spock, Combat situation, Janeway being the ranking officer, Seven passes command to Janeway of the Enterprise G, pro temp. Just my idea and a way to bring the ship back. Oh and could even whip out an evil version of a character we already know, say Captain Lacarno or even Tom Paris for example. Legacy is a proverbial fountain thats been wasted by not making it. Sorry for the tangent lol.
I have a really cool model of the Enterprise that can be in original configuration and can be changed to the Galaxy X Enterprise. It's a limited addition numbered model.
So, in my opinion, after the events of Picard S3, they should have retrofitted the museum piece Enterprise D into this design. Instead of renaming the Titan.
Galaxy X was in Star Trek ship battle game and someone who evidently got a bunch of information and made one for Klingon academy. Galaxy X does not have a separating hull due to the Phaser cannon system and you can see the design difference , it's the same type of phaser the Federation Dreadnaught featured in video games pre sovereign class type 14 I think , also the Sword of Kaless class Klingon ship has the same grade in a single disruptor cannon. These weapons are supposed to be on starbases and planetary defenses but somehow never used in media 😂 Kinda hilarious to design ship obliterating weapons and conveniently never shoot down a single bad guy when it matters 😂 I swear on Star Trek series you could invade any planet in Archer or Kirk's enterprise.. I have a lifelong friend who works on STO and I love the bonkers amount of ships in game . Never had the time myself but watch vids on releases. Good people and fans over there .
You think this Dreadnaught is overpowered the ISS Conquer is 3017 meters long, 1389 meters wide and 132 decks, with quad nacelles, dual tri-chambered Laser Lances, 2356 “phased” quantum torpedoes, duel "phased" cloaking devices (Saucer/Carrier and "Battle sections), almost two thirds of its volume is hanger space that can be configured for various missions, utilizing advanced replicator/transporter technology (doesn’t require continuous power to maintain structure). It normally houses 200 "Shadow" fighters, 100 "Spook" transport/gunships and has the capacity to beam down 10K troops from a contingent of 60K to 100K (all within 15 minutes). Due to its mass and despite its massive power generation it can only maintain the equivalent of a Galaxy Class starships warp speed and its maneuverability is noticeably less than a Galaxy Class starship, but with its quantity and power of its phaser strips, one shot, one kill is possible. Details (history, status, available upon request. ;-)
I'm of the opinion that the generations battle wasn't bad... There are several real world battles where a smaller more obsolete ship destroyed a more larger and advanced one. The klingons knew every move, every sheild frequency change and the enterprise didn't stand a chance against a enemy that knew where wnd when to hit them. I genuinely understand why they destroyed it and get it was done poorly but ultimately understand it was necessary to bring the E into service and we can't exactly complain about that. Besides... the D came back with a vengeance in piccard season 3. A good send off for the old girl. Still mad the fleet museum didn't have the NX from what i could see, if it was there and i missed it... crap.
First in criticizing the design we should acknowledge the limitations put upon both the set designers AND the physical effects /filming model teams were under, especially considering what they had was a one off model. These limitations are because they team immediately had to go to filming Generations after All good things. This means all modifications to both the set and the filming model had to be easily removed. It essential was the star trek equivalent Its comparable to touring the USS independence and the USS Missouri in 1995 What the Gallaxy X needed was a middle section created that could fit between the existing connection between the saucer section and drive section giving the saucer section an NX style profile and a second warp reactor horizontally aligned…. Instead of the single MEGA cannon on the underside of the saucer the combined vessel should have had four more modest phaser cannons, two on the underside of the saucer section aligned with the booms for the secondary nacelles, two on the drive section where the primary nacelle booms connect to the secondary hull. Maybe a roll bar style photon torpedo suite on the upper side of the saucer section
Think this could still happen to the enterprise d. Given that it was resurrected if you will. Really could have been nice for them to not named titan a enterprise d.
galaxy x class dreadnought is a favorite design of mine and such a shame we havent seen it on screen since the finale of tng or in picard also i hope that one day i be able to buy fanhome new models and they bring out a xl version
I bought a that version of the Enterprise D , from the late Eaglemoss collection on Amazon . And I have say they are bad models either , oh I have the ISS Enterprise version as well .But it's a little bit smaller in size , so I have to admit was not a big fan , like at first when came this version of the Enterprise D from TNG "All Good Things " , like way back when the show was ending in the early nineties . But over time I have grown like it , and seems that was only time Riker really had the Enterprise , so was that third engine that bothered at the time . But it was from a earlier class of ship not seen in Star Trek ,it was in books from the classic show .
I still say that Starfleet should of design and built a new star ship for war and they could of name the class after a God of War like iAres, Orgun, etc. They should include genesis torpedoes for planet killer weapons.
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Trek central/Capt Jack. Is there a Ross-type version of the sovereign?
That appearance of seeing the Enterprise arriving from "below" right up the Z-Axis was the best Enterprise (camera) maneuver in the series.
….. with no warning except for those phasers literally punching through a klingon warship
The galaxy x is a testament to how hard the federation would steamroll the rest of the alpha quadrant if they weren't so content to nerf themselves.
Like the Mirror Dreadnought Enterprise D... the ship that literally rebuilt the Empire.
I agree - but I feel like that's a repeating theme throughout history. Generally the big, benevolent "empire" tends to hold itself back instead of going full ham on everyone.
@@Choalith_Ikanthe was that in sto or something?
Phaser Lance is basically most powerful weapon in Star Trek its a beast
U are right it,s like Reaper beam live those things
I'll counter that with the Xindi Super Weapon that can blow up planets.
Technically speaking, a regular Phaser weapon has enough power to glass a world, to sterilize it clean. I don't think it's beyond reason for a Lance-class Phaser to be able to perform planet-busting. It is definitely a weapon of mass destruction.
I will, however, disagree that it's the most powerful weapon. The Destabilized Dimensional Rift Projector from the Terran's Cygnus Class Battlecruiser is a truly terrifying weapon in concept. While typically used in small-scale engagements, where it merely shunts its targets out of the local time-space reality temporarily while wracking their hulls with cross-dimensional turbulence, if used recklessly it could cause some incredible free-cascading dimensional devastation. Imagine having a destabilized dimensional rift fired at a planet; every living thing beneath being sucked across multiple timelines like noodles through a straw wile being bombarded by levels of radiation so intense they can melt hull materials. Terran Weapons were always designed with a level of horrific brutality that is hard not to admire.
And then, of course, there's the mid-late 26th century's direct evolution to the Phaser Lance... the Gravitic Lance, as predominantly featured on the Universe and Congo class starships. A weapon capable of crunching space within its firing arc like a redneck squishing a beer can. A weapon literally based on the technology of the Tox Uthat and capable of snuffing out stars or inverting the material plane of reality on an inter-solar scale. A weapon that can be as narrow and clean as a scalpel, or massive enough to wipe away the entire Sphere Builder incursion in the Procyon System in a single, well-placed bloom of retribution. The Gravitic Lance is a what you get when the Good Guys decide to take a page from all those failed villains with their Big Ship And Doomsday Weapon playbook. A weapon that can split fate and the heavens, like the fabled Rhongomyniad unleashed.
You're forgetting the Photonic cannon 😉
@@eskanda3434 Out of the Federation weapons, the tricobalt munitions are probably the most powerful. Ships the size of the Enterprise D would surely include them in their inventory, probably kelp under lock and key in their own special weapons storage locker. Voyager utilized a couple of them against the Caretaker Array. I suspect that Benjamin Maxwell may have utilized on against the Cardassian space station, but it wasn't mentioned. That phaser lance is super wicked through.
Thinking about that Voyager episode, it took about 20 to 3p seconds for the tricobalt munitions to be ready for use. They're apparently not kept at ready-use status. I picture a dozen Starfleet Marines with their Type III phaser rifles being present when the tricobalt munitions storage locker is accessed, escorting them to the torpedo bays every step of the way.
I love this redesign/upgrade Galaxy class. I thought it was so awesome decloaking in "All good things" and tearing holes into the Klingon ships. So cool! 😎🍻
First time we saw the Negh’Var class, too!
IT MADE ME SOO HAPPYYYY and still does :')
I bet that the Galaxy X would be a formidable opponent to the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought.
it has a decent chance to 1v1 and win with that spinal lance. especially if it can attack from a vector where not all jem hadar weapon have coverage. like from behind or from the bottom.
My head canon is the spinal lance was built to not only punch through the shields and outer hull of a Borg cube but ' drill ' through several hundred meters of hardened superstructure to destroy critical systems such as shield and power generators or the Vinculum in one shot.
Oh my yes, it would be made too late to do so but if a few of those ships and weapons had been around then the war could have gone very differently.
But only maybe. The great battles mentioned in DS9 talk about hundreds of ships being involved, so if there weren't enough of those great lances to go around then the only real difference would be a better kill rate for Federation fleets that still end up being destroyed or routed.
I liked the Galaxy X/Galaxy Dreadnought class. But i didn't like the third nacelle. But now that the D is canonically rebuilt, we could see the D get a X-class refit someday.
One does not simply expect the NX-Enterprise to be a battle wagon. She was an exploration ship with defensive systems that were decently advanced given the restrictions the Vulcans laid on United Earth. The main reason she had issues was the species she met. The warrior races, Klingons and Andorians, and the more technologically advanced, The Romulans and The Borg, are expected to have better weapons than the early human space fleet.
The learning-curve was brutally steep, but she hung in there ….. and added a few choice stanzas to the Ballad of Enterprises Past.
To me, NX-01 was the most beautiful Enterprise of them all. Given warp-tech, she’s the Enterprise that our great-grandchildren will build.
I love the design and am so used to flying it in STO that using a two-nacelled Galaxy class feels weird. I really, really hope we get a three-nacelle version of the World Razer-class someday!
@@arko09 Yep! Same here! I've built a few in STO, with different cosmetics, weaponry, shields, crew, etc., and have yet to lose one in battle...!
I think the Dreadnought Galaxy should have been a quad nacelle design with thicker redesigned pylons. Then change up the forward section of the engineering hull with a beefier look that way you can imply that the powerplant outputs enough to sustain 4 warp nacelles and a new looking deflector dish would also further imply that Starfleet was aware of the shortcomings of the Galaxy-class and did a refit to rectify those issues. Of course this is all with the benefit of hindsight after having seen all the subsequent ST series.
I prefer triremes (3-nacelle models) -- except for the ugly Niagra-class kitbash -- and hate how common (and frankly overused) 4-nacelle designs are becoming.
The Galaxy X is another personal favorite ship of mine. Yes, I know, it's from All Good Things, but I wish this ship was made canon. At least, modern dau canon, to be precise.
Federation starships need to be as powerful as possible. The universe is a dangerous place; The Borg The Dominion, etc.
Galaxy X class Love it.
I feel like a proto-Galaxy X should've featured in DS9 as an experimental battle refit program that showed one of the galaxy's getting a massive overhaul but proving too intensive and slow to refit versus other more purpose designed classes
Gene actually said that Federation Starships should have an even number of nacelles.
The Galaxy-X Class Dreadnought needs some flame decals painted on the nacelles and a shark mouth painted on the dorsal phaser.
I like to think that the third nacelle was a component in the spinal phaser lance.
It would need to be attached to the saucer section, like the (on paper) TOS Federation-class design, for that to make sense, otherwise it gets cut off during saucer separation. That's why the _original_ dreadnaught places the center warp where it does, to give a separated saucer warp capability.
Ohhh, "warship" Enterprise.
* takes down shrine *
Galaxy X is my go-to in Star Trek Online when I know my opposition needs their fenders kicked.
"We ball!"
It is possible to see it in its prototype build form in lower decks and prodigy. Even if it’s dark corner of a station with window light on nacelle’s glowing and Boimler says “what’s that over there??” Mariner “Ignore that. We are not suppose to know what happens on that part of the station. Besides engineers won’t let us touch it until they think it’s perfect.” Then flying on by with out a second look.
In my head, the inside of the Dreadnought looks like the Enterprise in 'Yesterday's Enterprise' all dark and same uniforms, as it is a warship. Might as well be the same ship or at least look like the World Razer in Picard season 2!
Man that was like my dad who's like captain Kirk, captain Picard Enterprises hehe Captain Riker ship from the future was like my ship at a later part in my later life! I fucking loved that ship!!
One of my favorite starships have it on STO ad well as the legendary Terran Dreadnought
If you want to go deeper into a modified Galaxy class ship, the USS Excalibur A from the New Frontier novels. While it doesn't show up elsewhere, it is an interesting look in how to retrofit a Galaxy class from the "luxury cruise ship in space" into ready for war against the Borg and the Dominion
In my headcannon, the Galaxy X's third nacelle was part of how they fixed the issue of the warp core breaching if someone hicupped anywhere on the secondary hull. In the prime timeline this wasn't necessary because they had the Ross Class replace the Galaxy Class instead of upgrading the class to that extent, and the Ross Class never had the constant warp core breach problem the Galaxy Class suffered from, making a third nacelle unnecessary.
I'm old enough to remember that the "dreadnought" class was conceived in some of roddenberry's original words or at least artist conceptions of it but never used and tell much much later of course.
Loved the video. In STO, my main character has a Dreadnought Cruiser [T5-X2] as well (Assuming you also upgraded her) named the U.S.S. Snoopy.
Though, the Star Fleet Technical Manual, the first Star Trek publication which kind of started a trend of Star Trek books describing ships or tech, showed the Connie, and the single nacelle Saladin and Hermes and the 3 nacelle Federation class dreadnought (and the tug). Now though this isn't official canon, it was there from the beginning of Star Trek right back to the original show. I think the first game based on that was the Star Fleet Battle Manual by Lou Zocchi but the more famous one was Star Fleet Battles which made all those SFTM ships the first ones on the game. In that game the nacelles were the primary source of power (not just the drive) and the third nacelle gave you 50% more power. Likewise the Saladin's single nacelle required a lot of finesse to operate with half the power. And that's why I still have nostalgia for the 3 nacelle dreadnought. If you want to see some of these ships in action, try watching Of Gods and Men, a Star Trek movie on youTube starring a whole lot of Star Trek actors. You even see the Fesarious (or what is left of it).
1:17 "are you ready to take control of your own starship" *me, controlling the "legendary dreadnought cruiser" galaxy class in star trek online (the same ship being talked about in this video) .* uhhh.... yes?
“Arm the assault probes, fire at will, hail them.”
Didn't mention the Galaxy-X's appearance in "Birth of the Federation" '90s PC game. It was a mid-to-late-game standard Federation vessel. Due to the game's limited combat modeling and mechanics, "number of phaser arrays" were increased over the base Galaxy, but no specific phaser lance in function, though it was modeled graphically. Additionally, it was rendered obsolete by the Sovereign in-game.
Well you have to remember with the NX Class it was a completely new design of Starship that was developed by the United Earth which was the precursor to the United Federation of Planets and the reason the NX Class wasn't as powerful as her successors from the Constitution Class to the Sovereign Class is because the said Class of the 22nd century was all new experimental systems hence the first 2 letters NX which is experimental like the U.S.S. Excelsior remember her registry number was originally NX-2000 so with the NX Class she didn't have the firepower of the other races her crew encountered because remember in the first episode of Star Trek:Enterprise the NX-01 was launched ahead of schedule with most of her systems still not installed like the:
Pulsed Phase Cannons
Torpedo launch systems
Though technically she already had torpedoes but they weren't as powerful as the photonic torpedoes she got before she left for the Expanse to deal with the Xindi but before she left for that encounter aside from the newly developed photonic torpedoes she received numerous upgrades to her polarized hull plating and her phase Cannons.
Wonder if Galaxy Dreadnought could have taken down the Scimitar. Would love to see a Scimitar vs Galaxy Dreadnought
As a kid, I thought it was the coolest thing ever as an adult. I think it looks like something a kid would design.
I honestly hoped the end of Picard would bring this idea back to life and we’d get to see the long lost galaxy X… instead we got the disappointment of the titan as the next enterprise.
Well Picard was a conglomerate of disappointments tbh 😅
Some of the technology was built. In the USS Venture the nacelle phaser pods were installed meaning either Starfleet came up with some of the technology or Picard told them about it to be created. Either way, I think the tech actually was created, although maybe only one or two galaxy class ships were refitted so they are very rare. Maybe Starfleet decided it wasn't worth the work to refit galaxy class ships or as you said, there were not many left to convert. maybe it was drawn up and planned for the D, but since it was destroyed, never implemented.
The problem is.....the third nacelle is akin to putting a third axle (and two more tires) on a car. The nacelle transfers power, but doesn't generate it. It's much less of an upgrade that it's perceived to be.
It's gotta be the Warp 13 thing, the third nacelle must be Transwarp related.
Great ship design and loved watching it in the fan series, Star Trek Hidden Frontier.
Same here!
A painting of this should have been displayed in Picard's alternate era home in the Picard series.
The third nacelle is odd. You would think maybe the had a 4th on the bottom. As a redundancy thing where maybe only two are ever in use but if one is damaged the could use the other pair.
I would prefer instead two smaller one that built of the back of the Saucer section giving it a NX style profile
I have thought for a long time when the dominion was kicked off, the federation should have build dreadnaught saucer sections and wondered what that would have looked like
I agree somewhat with Andrew Probert, I liked the additional weaponry they gave it I thought that looked okay but I hated the 3rd warp nacelle on the future Enterprise D it looks like it was just bolted on last minute to make it obvious this was an upgraded version. If they wanted to make it look different they should have just changed the existing nacelles and made them bigger or something.
lol Unlike most here I have a different thought on the Galaxy X, I think it's lazy design. It's like "ok lets create a really cool new ship" then one dude is like... "what if we just put a third nacelle right in the middle of the other two and leave everything else as is!" and just make up a bunch of new "upgraded specs" on paper.I am a huge Star Trek fan and Im just talkin shit but honestly, out of all the ship designs, this one looks like a thrown together last min ran out of ideas type thing.
If they could come up with a new star trek series following picard. They could easily have Riker bring back the enterprise d as the galaxy dreadnaut. It might be a little confusing with the enterprise g being revealed in picard final episode.
"...add a giant laser to it." A giant LASER? Have you ever even seen Star Trek?
Nope :0
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@@TrekCentral Well, other than that, you did an excellent video.
I have one of these on Star Trek Online, she’s called the USS Erebus and she does have a cloaking device !!
Mine is the USS Illinois and my Orion KDF has a "salvaged " one named IKS Ravager.
Same here formally ISS Belgrade now USS Belgrade still i kept the ISS she has max type antiprotons and distruptors and the the Valkyrie wings and Terran set all maxed out like Reaper
that underslung laser, reminds me of the A10 warhog lol, much prefered the galaxy-x class over the orginal galaxy class.
DS9's USS Venture NCC-71854 has proto-Galaxy X upgrades. Ross class is just Galaxy class with Sovereign class upgrades.
The dominion war would have been a good time to start upgrading some of the galaxy class ships with some of the galaxy x features. The extra cannons or spinal lance would have helped and war is the biggest motivator in spending and technological improvements.
What knots my noodle is what happens to the BFG when the saucer separates...? The video confirms that the saucer is still capable of separation, but also mentions that the Spinal Lance is integrated into "the hull" and thus can't be removed - but _which_ hull? Does it remain slung beneath the saucer (leaving a huge hole in the Engineering hull pylon), or does it project from the front of the Battle Bridge like Pinocchio's nose...?
4:20 Only used in dire situations? What about the first time Ryker border and “manually” docked?
Let’s forget the fact that he wasn’t at the helm…
My sweet sweet Galaxy X. Bless that ol bird.
Since the third nacelle likely didn't serve much of a purpose other than the "oooOOO, that looks cool" effect, that pylon would have been better served by mounting the Nebula class's tactical pod there. If you are going to turn the Galaxy class into a dreadnought, then you might as well go all in!
The Enterprise-D was resurrected in Picard and still could be outfitted for Galaxy-X by Riker.
0:23 that was most definitely not a "laser" since lasers are weakling weapons in that universe
I loved this ship. Shocked it has not appeared on Lower Decks
I've always had mixed feelings about the Galaxy Dreadnought. Sure, it's got all the cool toys, but it looks like it's working against itself. For example, the third nacelle is directly in front of the main impulse engines, and nixing the extra nacelle for the Lance would have made the design fit starfleet doctrine way more.
Lovely breakdown 👏🏻
Thank you!!
It would have been amazing if they’d made THIS the ship Riker used in Picard
Voyager A (Lamarr class) vs Voyager B (Pathfinder class) would make a great video.
I always loved the notion of The Enterprise D being a warship. Here's a thought though. This Galaxy Dreadnought vs the Dreadnought of the Kelvin timeline?
With Data on the wheel and Crusher at the turret, the Borg did not stand a chance.
I love the design. Being a battleship it needs more redundancy, look at what happened to at the battle at the end of Generations. The Enterprise couldn't form a stable warp field to retreat because the nacelle was hit. With 3 nacelles, one is redundant and if one is hit the ship can still retreat if needed.
A small part of me wished the rebuilt Enterprise in Picard would have been the dreadnought version.
I will be honest; I was expecting the Enterprise D to get the Galaxy X upgrade at the end of Picard Season 3. Given that the entire fleet has an exploitable flaw in its design, the Enterprise D was the only one still standing. Had expected it to be brought back into service and upgraded while the fleet was being corrected.
Hold up, post the destruction of Romulus, wouldn't Starfleet start using cloaks? So we see any in the Picard series?
If the Galaxy class starship was so OP, how come it was always getting coolant leaks and being 5 minutes away from a warp corp breaches
I always thought that no matter what era.. the DREADNOUGHT CLASS, never got enough love..though I would have loved it more, if it had been simetrical..and had 4 drivewings..prompting me to imagine the next step up and more more powerful, JUGGERNAUT CLASS..with obviously 4.. instead of 3.
I would like to see Terry to take over as producer * at least he knows what we like ❤
it should've been brought out in DS9's dominion war as it would've made sense for starfleet to have it as part of their preparations for them & other threats
Yet something else they could do with Legacy, say a universe where the Terran Empire never fell, a Galaxy X from that universe ends up in the prime timeline and say Admiral Janeway leads a fleet against it but since its more OP than the TNG one (Its terran of course its gonna be a beast) Seven rescues the Admiral and her crew from their wreck of a ship, they find a way to exploit the one thing that brung the Ent D to its knee's every time, antimatter containment failure. Seven and Janeway use sevens knowledge of Borg tech to help destroy the ship as its going on a rampage. Perhaps a brought back to life Captain Shaw whos perhaps Sevens "Captain of Engineering" also chimes in and says he worked for a while building Galaxy class's for a couple of years and makes a note that about something in their build and if its the same on that dreadnought, they may have a chance. May be Seven also does a Spock, Combat situation, Janeway being the ranking officer, Seven passes command to Janeway of the Enterprise G, pro temp.
Just my idea and a way to bring the ship back. Oh and could even whip out an evil version of a character we already know, say Captain Lacarno or even Tom Paris for example.
Legacy is a proverbial fountain thats been wasted by not making it. Sorry for the tangent lol.
Imagine trying to land in the main shutle bay with the third nacelle.
I have a really cool model of the Enterprise that can be in original configuration and can be changed to the Galaxy X Enterprise. It's a limited addition numbered model.
The original galaxy is the perfect ship for PEACE time and the Galaxy X is the perfect ship for WAR time.
I think you could make an ambassador version too. Just make the lance smaller.
I always thought the third nacelle to be weird. Why only one and not two? And why not simply place them opposite the original ones?
Just call them radiator cooling fins that dissipate heat when the lance is fired. Boom, fixed.
The ship was a fun extrapolation, even though I question the third nacelle.... except the fins. What the BLIP does a Starship need FINS for?
So, in my opinion, after the events of Picard S3, they should have retrofitted the museum piece Enterprise D into this design. Instead of renaming the Titan.
Galaxy X is also known as Entente class. It is a playable ship in some of the Star Trek games.
a mirror universe invasion of prime timeline could be a great idea for a series
Galaxy X was in Star Trek ship battle game and someone who evidently got a bunch of information and made one for Klingon academy.
Galaxy X does not have a separating hull due to the Phaser cannon system and you can see the design difference , it's the same type of phaser the Federation Dreadnaught featured in video games pre sovereign class type 14 I think , also the Sword of Kaless class Klingon ship has the same grade in a single disruptor cannon.
These weapons are supposed to be on starbases and planetary defenses but somehow never used in media 😂 Kinda hilarious to design ship obliterating weapons and conveniently never shoot down a single bad guy when it matters 😂 I swear on Star Trek series you could invade any planet in Archer or Kirk's enterprise..
I have a lifelong friend who works on STO and I love the bonkers amount of ships in game . Never had the time myself but watch vids on releases. Good people and fans over there .
Always thought.. A mini warp core to power shields/weapons if main power fails
You think this Dreadnaught is overpowered the ISS Conquer is 3017 meters long, 1389 meters wide and 132 decks, with quad nacelles, dual tri-chambered Laser Lances, 2356 “phased” quantum torpedoes, duel "phased" cloaking devices (Saucer/Carrier and "Battle sections), almost two thirds of its volume is hanger space that can be configured for various missions, utilizing advanced replicator/transporter technology (doesn’t require continuous power to maintain structure).
It normally houses 200 "Shadow" fighters, 100 "Spook" transport/gunships and has the capacity to beam down 10K troops from a contingent of 60K to 100K (all within 15 minutes).
Due to its mass and despite its massive power generation it can only maintain the equivalent of a Galaxy Class starships warp speed and its maneuverability is noticeably less than a Galaxy Class starship, but with its quantity and power of its phaser strips, one shot, one kill is possible.
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Until I got my hands on a Jupiter class carrier the Galaxy Dreadnought was my fave Star Trek Online ship.
Ah the Jupiter she ain,t the Galactica but still live that sheep also have legendary Terran Dreadnought to she is my pride and joy
I'm of the opinion that the generations battle wasn't bad...
There are several real world battles where a smaller more obsolete ship destroyed a more larger and advanced one.
The klingons knew every move, every sheild frequency change and the enterprise didn't stand a chance against a enemy that knew where wnd when to hit them.
I genuinely understand why they destroyed it and get it was done poorly but ultimately understand it was necessary to bring the E into service and we can't exactly complain about that.
Besides... the D came back with a vengeance in piccard season 3.
A good send off for the old girl.
Still mad the fleet museum didn't have the NX from what i could see, if it was there and i missed it... crap.
Star trek needs a punch in its vanilla line up.
Other than cool factor, putting weapons next to an already exposed bridge is such a bad idea
Before ST:O this thing was called the AGT(All Good Things) Galaxy or AGT Enterprise.
First in criticizing the design we should acknowledge the limitations put upon both the set designers AND the physical effects /filming model teams were under, especially considering what they had was a one off model. These limitations are because they team immediately had to go to filming Generations after All good things. This means all modifications to both the set and the filming model had to be easily removed. It essential was the star trek equivalent
Its comparable to touring the USS independence and the USS Missouri in 1995
What the Gallaxy X needed was a middle section created that could fit between the existing connection between the saucer section and drive section giving the saucer section an NX style profile and a second warp reactor horizontally aligned….
Instead of the single MEGA cannon on the underside of the saucer the combined vessel should have had four more modest phaser cannons, two on the underside of the saucer section aligned with the booms for the secondary nacelles, two on the drive section where the primary nacelle booms connect to the secondary hull. Maybe a roll bar style photon torpedo suite on the upper side of the saucer section
The Galaxy -X appears in the Star Trek Mirror Universe comics.
Think this could still happen to the enterprise d. Given that it was resurrected if you will.
Really could have been nice for them to not named titan a enterprise d.
galaxy x class dreadnought is a favorite design of mine and such a shame we havent seen it on screen since the finale of tng or in picard also i hope that one day i be able to buy fanhome new models and they bring out a xl version
aren't there single nacelle ships in TOS? and the constellation class has 4
X Class was so cool
I bought a that version of the Enterprise D , from the late Eaglemoss collection on Amazon . And I have say they are bad models either , oh I have the ISS Enterprise version as well .But it's a little bit smaller in size , so I have to admit was not a big fan , like at first when came this version of the Enterprise D from TNG "All Good Things " , like way back when the show was ending in the early nineties . But over time I have grown like it , and seems that was only time Riker really had the Enterprise , so was that third engine that bothered at the time . But it was from a earlier class of ship not seen in Star Trek ,it was in books from the classic show .
Galaxy no matter what model is a Death Trap
i always liked USS Vengeace the most
Could That Ship's Phaser Cannon destroy planets if fired at full power??
I like the Galaxy X as a concept, but i would remove the small bits from the saucer section, the fins from the nacelles and change the impulse engine.
@@23GreyFox I'd probably swap the third nacelle to a pod like on the Nebula class
@@Stlaind You can do that, i like the 3rd nacelle.
I still say that Starfleet should of design and built a new star ship for war and they could of name the class after a God of War like iAres, Orgun, etc. They should include genesis torpedoes for planet killer weapons.