Pronation/long axis rotation varies depending on what serve the server is trying to hit. Serena hits some serves with almost no long axis rotation past contact and some with full rotation. Pliskova almost never has full long axis rotation. I noticed Mark used a photo of me as an example of no long axis rotation. My phone was on the same side of the net and I was holding on for dear life making sure I didn’t hit the phone. Meanwhile there were other serves from the clips I sent him with full rotation (w hen the phone was behind me) and variations in between.
There is long axis rotation (internal shoulder rotation) into contact on every serve. Whether the internal shoulder rotation continues, is, as you say, depends on the individual server and what serve he is hitting... " I noticed Mark used a photo of me as an example of no long axis rotation. My phone was on the same side of the net and I was holding on for dear life making sure I didn’t hit the phone. " Which photo are you?... Phone? Have no idea what you are talking about?
@@marktace1 Yes, I see it. As I understand it, he points to your pic as an example of insufficient long axis rotation during post-contact and deceleration stage. Yes, I know you have other pics with full rotation. I get that. *Let's leave that aside and discuss this one pic* If I understand Mark correctly, based on that one picture, there is little to no post-contact long axis rotation in that pic. Mark would say it is a problem. *It does not matter what serve you are hitting!* If a student submits that picture, Mark is gonna tell that student that he *MUST* employ more long axis rotation after contact. In other words, Mark wants the racquet face facing towards the side fence on *ANY* type of serve. And I would tend to agree with this. Does Mark think your pic and finish is acceptable because you are hitting a certain type of serve? No, I don't think so. Because if he did, he would not specifically point to your pic and say it is insufficient long axis rotation.
@@Better_Call_Raul Take a look at Pliskova, one of the all time ace leaders on the WTA. There can be a trade offs with accuracy for some people. It is generally desirable, but far from an absolute.
@@marktace1 Yes, I understand what you are saying. My position is similar to your pic. I am a 4.0 rec player. I'm trying to understand what Dr Kovacs would advise me. It sounds to me that Kovacs is pretty insistent on long axis rotation and would tell me that it is important to work on that given that he points to the pic here and cites it as a common error that rec players make which they can work on. Kovacs specifically says long axis rotation is very achievable by rec players whereas other parts of the serve require elite level of athleticism.
Great video…I have however used the analogy of throwing a ball to great success purely with students that stopped their racquet on their shoulder or stopped in a ‘back scratch’…If they were able to throw a ball normally, I found that analogy simply got them to stop pausing during the swing. I think different analogies work with different students and at different stages of their development
I like how process driven Mark is. Follow the process and the results will be there. From a coaching standpoint what percentage of leg drive is from the back foot versus the front foot? I’m definitely going to check out his research.
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How do you explain Goran ivanisovic
Bringing his back foot up to baseline in what you call the “over rotated” position?
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Pronation/long axis rotation varies depending on what serve the server is trying to hit. Serena hits some serves with almost no long axis rotation past contact and some with full rotation. Pliskova almost never has full long axis rotation. I noticed Mark used a photo of me as an example of no long axis rotation. My phone was on the same side of the net and I was holding on for dear life making sure I didn’t hit the phone. Meanwhile there were other serves from the clips I sent him with full rotation (w hen the phone was behind me) and variations in between.
There is long axis rotation (internal shoulder rotation) into contact on every serve. Whether the internal shoulder rotation continues, is, as you say, depends on the individual server and what serve he is hitting...
" I noticed Mark used a photo of me as an example of no long axis rotation. My phone was on the same side of the net and I was holding on for dear life making sure I didn’t hit the phone. "
Which photo are you?... Phone? Have no idea what you are talking about?
@@Better_Call_Raul At 17:33. The old guy with the knee brace. I sent Mark clips of my serve taken with my phone.
@@marktace1 Yes, I see it. As I understand it, he points to your pic as an example of insufficient long axis rotation during post-contact and deceleration stage. Yes, I know you have other pics with full rotation. I get that.
*Let's leave that aside and discuss this one pic*
If I understand Mark correctly, based on that one picture, there is little to no post-contact long axis rotation in that pic. Mark would say it is a problem. *It does not matter what serve you are hitting!* If a student submits that picture, Mark is gonna tell that student that he *MUST* employ more long axis rotation after contact.
In other words, Mark wants the racquet face facing towards the side fence on *ANY* type of serve. And I would tend to agree with this.
Does Mark think your pic and finish is acceptable because you are hitting a certain type of serve? No, I don't think so. Because if he did, he would not specifically point to your pic and say it is insufficient long axis rotation.
@@Better_Call_Raul Take a look at Pliskova, one of the all time ace leaders on the WTA. There can be a trade offs with accuracy for some people. It is generally desirable, but far from an absolute.
@@marktace1 Yes, I understand what you are saying. My position is similar to your pic. I am a 4.0 rec player. I'm trying to understand what Dr Kovacs would advise me. It sounds to me that Kovacs is pretty insistent on long axis rotation and would tell me that it is important to work on that given that he points to the pic here and cites it as a common error that rec players make which they can work on. Kovacs specifically says long axis rotation is very achievable by rec players whereas other parts of the serve require elite level of athleticism.
Great video…I have however used the analogy of throwing a ball to great success purely with students that stopped their racquet on their shoulder or stopped in a ‘back scratch’…If they were able to throw a ball normally, I found that analogy simply got them to stop pausing during the swing. I think different analogies work with different students and at different stages of their development
Everyone is different and is as more analogies you have is better
I like how process driven Mark is. Follow the process and the results will be there. From a coaching standpoint what percentage of leg drive is from the back foot versus the front foot? I’m definitely going to check out his research.
I think it is 60 back leg and 40 front
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