Why Study Latin? (1951)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- This film explains and illustrates some of the more important reasons for studying Latin. Both the teacher and the students explain to an invisible narrator their reasons for studying Latin.
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1951 making better content than nowadays. Now I want to learn Latin...
Oh yeah! Latin is so beautiful.
@@donnabradshaw8055 yes, Latin allows one to see English as if through 3D glasses!
@@jrcenina85 I've been studying Latin for just under a year now and.... yeah I get exactly what you mean. The way you worded that is exactly what I've been trying to tell people!
@@AressaKeterhow are you studying? I want to start and wanna know some good ways to learn
I love the video they had made but having taken Latin, the way the words were pronounced in the video, at least in regards to the vowels, was definitely not the best, however beautiful it was to see them learning that language.
Latin's quite an awesome language! B-)
Google translates the words on Virgil's wax tablet as "my husband turns to me with a knife."
I'm a little skeptical.
I already am learning latin and trying to motivate myself into falling in love with it 😂
4:20 Scotland was never a part of the Empire, though.
I want to teach Latin. Does anyone have any advice?
edit: I did it guys, I'm a Latin teacher now!!!
You should go to the University of Mass. at Amherst. They have a program there for teaching K-12 grades. You can also get a Masters in Latin in college and then get a separate teaching license for your state- also for teaching in elementary or high school. If you want to be a professor, it is a bit less complicated-go to graduate school, and then apply for a post.
Hello. Good afternoon. Please, give ideas how should I learn latín?
Thank you so much
Pulchra bonaque femina hic in video est!
Why to study Latin ? Because it is 1951
9:02 Funnily enough that young whipper Snapper is Me, and I did grow up to be a doctor and a lawyer.I currently am retired, and am working on a detective novel set in ancient Rome.The story revolves around the murder of the Latin language and how the ghost of Latin haunts the ears of the peasants.The ghost's sweet whispers give birth to the Romance Languages.My Life has come full circle,and little did I know how prescient I was.(adj.
1620s, from Middle French prescient (15c.) and directly from Latin praescientem (nominative praesciens), present participle of praescire) So learn Latin kids,it will change your life.
do you remember much about the filming of this film?
Congratulations, sir.
Did you publish your novel? Thanks for writing. I like this slow-moving, calm film. I am a Latin teacher, and will take the idea of crossing out the Latin words of the Declaration of Independence.
It turns out you did become a writer sir. What’s your novel called? You really did a good job on this instructional film, you look like you had fun making it.
troll
I'm tired of people saying latin is pointless or it's impossible to be fluent. Idc! I will speak one day and I want to learn it because I can. Ancient Rome is fascinating. Latin is lovely
OK, I will ask: Where has good-naturedness in education gone? I realize this is a staged, scripted short. Got it. But why can't education these days be serious, innocent, and fun?
Exactly. I ask myself the same question for spanish nowadays situation.
I feel rather strongly about this matter, so will comment three years later. I think it happened sometime in the '80s or '90s, when television and film portrayals of teenagers in school began to treat school as a stupid and annoying distraction from the real business of sports, dating, and other tribal activities. Of course, classroom scenes have never been the focus of teenager-centered stories (distinct from teacher-focused programs like 'Mr. Novak' or 'Room 222', both filmed at least in part at Hamilton High School in Los Angeles); but even though Archie and his friends (or Henry Aldrich, or Andy Hardy, or any number of others) may have found school tedious and difficult at times, the genuine contempt for teachers and the entire process of learning gradually emerged in the '80s. Perhaps a good milestone for this despite of education is 1986's "Peggy Sue Got Married", when a time-traveling student from our present, bored with algebra in 1960, tells the teacher, "Well, Mr Snelgrove, I happen to know that in the future I will not have the slightest use for algebra, and I speak from experience." And the movie-theater audience applauds. Fast-forward through Saved By the Bell and Dawson's Creek and numerous Disney Channel productions, and here we are.
Screenwriters getting back at the people who actually did well in school, perhaps.
My Latin teacher played this in class the other day. Glad it’s still being used!
Most high school kids in America today can't read or write above an elementary school level, or find any place on a map, so the odds of them studying Latin are pretty much nil.
The kids in the upper tracks will be able to learn it. The kids in this film were most likely upper-track, too.
Perhaps there is a link between the dropping of Latin from the syllabus and the decreased aptitude for Romance and Germanic languages.
Most highschool kids the world over aren't well educated on geography, not just in America.
Empirical evidence?
Most Americans have the skills to read and yet fail to utilize them on a daily basis
My mother language is Chinese but I’m seriously considering taking Latin and Ancient Greek (have got French and German in my pocket), only to understand the roots of our modern democracy, and these knowledge can be seldom found in Chinese language, very unfortunate!
It really helped me at Hogwarts, learning them spells.
and creating them, honestly its a lot easier to know what you want to happen when you understand what you're saying in depth.
Excellent video, Latin should be taught again. We can learn Latin by listening to some songs in the Latin language. It will be pleasing to here someone say " I can't live without the Latin language.
*Hear
This is a pretty good short, but I can't help imagining that there's just a gigantic eyeball sitting in the classroom and no one wants to upset it.
Nothing but deep appreciation for everyone involved in this segment. The education system is in dire need of wholesome, wise, level headed educators with no political agendas.
I took 4 years of Latin in high school (in the 1990's) and was involved in Junior Classical League. It helped me so much in university with vocabulary and general knowledge with both my bachelors degrees in psychology and nursing. I had a great time studying it and doing the conventions as well! I highly reccomend to any high schooler considering studying Latin.
Our education system does have wholesome, wise, level-headed educators with no political agendas
58 percent of the English language derives directly or indirectly from the Latin language. moreover, Latin is the most complex part of the English language.
Anyone who want to learn it, go read “lingua latīna per se illustrata” is literally the best book out there for it
can second this
I just bought that book because Polymathy told me to lol
@@erraticonteuse best latin book ever
Femina numquam eris
@@ivan-chesnokov carnifex semper eris
Mother tongue languages do make it easier to learn the daughter languages, more so, than the other way around. Latin would connect the dots to the others within the family. Vocabulary building is great, but people have to learn to dissect a word first. Latin and Ancient Greek definitely helped my understanding of Medical Terminology in Nursing class. While my classmates struggled more, trying to learn Medical Terminology one word at a time, instead of understanding what words pertained to.
Awesome!
Great point!
Whatever happened to the world in 70 years? Instead of progressing , we have regressed in so many aspects of civilization.
That kid who rattled off law terms was just flexing.
I wonder if they had any idea that within a dozen years (1963) the Catholic church would cease to conduct services in Latin? Those classes still had great use back in 1951 for people like my parents, aunts, and uncles (as well as my husband's family) for understanding church services.
My father studied Latin at school and he misses it. He said it helped him a lot.
..... wouldhavehad, I guess
Not so! Tridentine Latin Mass is still alive and kicking. And growing!
I love how the clip ended with "Finis".
I love the massive sea where Romania is ahahahahhahaha
This video looks too good to have been made in 1951
Welcome to the 50s.
lol obviously you know so much about video history right
Yes. Latin is used to understand English because of its origins.
Her using the American accent for Latin is blasphemy and it’s not the right pronunciation
Wow - so cringily sexist when the narrator asks the young woman why she's taking Latin - because she couldn't possibly be going into science, law, or medicine.
Ha-ha-ha... Priceless!
Good point. Not cringingly sexist, perhaps (she does want to do something other than be a housewife, after all), but certainly thoughtless and typical of its time. A modern remake could easily split up the medicine and law spiels between a boy and a girl. And honestly, this film could be remade in color with better actors, Latin pronunciations, and visualizations of Rome, and basically the same script, and it would stand up very well, I think.
Insert MST3K/Rifftrax joke about Coronet films...
"The law of Romans, by which civilised men live"
flashback to the Legion from Fallout: New Vegas....
Белякова Александра 3 группа: Зачем учить латынь?
• Чтобы понимать логику образования слов в современных европейских языках, так как многие из них берут своё начало из латыни;
• Обучаться латыни = обучаться обучению, пониманию истории и мышления знаменитых исторических личностей
gotta love the "gotta know latin" attitude but at the same time every word is pronounced wrong..."sisero" instead of "cicero", stuff like that
That’s the standard English pronunciation. Do say Mexico or “Mehico”? Do you say Hungary or Magyarország?
So it's an important part of western cultures. Thanks for uploading this video.
Latin and Greek are foundational to Western culture. I assume from your username that you are Chinese? The same could be said for your language.
Here I am trynna learn Latin so i can pull a King Solomon and control the spooky spookies
surprisingly good video this
Excellent video...A must watch
Latin is looking at me saying, im your huckleberry 😅
Rant beginning:
I hate to be a party-pooper, but every one of those reasons touted in 1951 has been debunked. Latin grammar isn't anything like English grammar...not even close. And the most commonly-used English words came from the Germanic branch of Indo-European...not Latin. The so-called huge percentage of words derived from Latin actually came through French...no need to go back to Latin for the connection. A few days study will get you all the Latin legal and medical words you need to know. Same for the major prefixes and suffixes. The people who pushed Latin on generations of suffering students were the of the same mind as those who -- in the past -- "standardized" spelling by adding the "b" to "debt" and "doubt" and the "p" to "receipt" because they wanted English to be more like Latin than it really was. Ditto the silly rule about not ending a sentence with a preposition.
But the worst of all was my junior high guidance counsellor telling me (and all the other so-called top track kids) that if I wanted to learn Spanish, a year of Latin first would be most helpful. My response to her was (and this is the truth): "No, Miss Liddick, I think a year of Spanish first will help me more with my Spanish." My four years of Spanish were more helpful to me than any Latin could have been as I subsequently took Italian in college and learned "tourist" French...neither of which has grammar similar to Latin.
Rant over!
...and one more thing: Any rigorously taught science, math, literature, or history class will teach kids to think rationally. Latin is not needed for that.
fine fine fine, I'll learn latin.
Lectiones Antiquae is a great channel, I have some videos too if you are Christian
Well I feel like Spanish has taken over the modern school system as the main language that is taught. which is obviously a form of Latin so it’s not completely dead and it’s ARGUABLY more useful in terms of real world use as it’s one of the most spoken languages in the world, second most in US I believe. But yeah. If they had it in my school I’d love to take it.
Gratias ago 💙
Amō illum
Very nice! Thanks so much for uploading!
Latin should be made the official langauge of Europe
This was really neat. Even back then they knew to truly understand something you have to read it on it’s original language.Plus the kids look like they enjoyed themselves and really loved learning Latin.
Begs the question of why Latin is no longer mandatory in schools.
Why "even back then"? Latin and Greek were far more integral to the education system back then.
@@Musicienne-DAB1995 well I feel like Spanish has taken over the modern school system as the main language that is taught. which is obviously a form of Latin so it’s not completely dead and it’s ARGUABLY more useful in terms of real world use as it’s one of the most spoken languages in the world, second most in US I believe. But yeah. If they had it in my school I’d love to take it.
I want to know if that girl ever did become a writer.
9:03 Learn Latin TO SHOW UP THE COMMIES.
Rough pronunciation ms Adams
This is begging for a Rifftrax version....but why are you?!! studying Latin...camera on girl...eyes rolling.
IN DEO SPERAMUS
Amén
Oh how we have fallen
This was very informative and factual.
Wow, the arguments are the exact same as they were in the 50s. Things like to change but stay the same
studying Latin improves your brain because it forces you to think and in a world of depensant morons ruined by TV and social media it makes a difference.
I'm so glad I've been studying Latin.
In Congress July 4 1776....
“In” also comes from Latin
A lot of scientists, linguists, archaeologists, historians etc. are considering that 8,500 years ago, Romania was the heart of the old European civilization. The new archaeological discoveries from Tartaria, (Romania), showed up written plates older than the Sumerian ones. More and more researches and studies converged to the conclusion that the Europeans are originated in a single place, the lower Danube basin. Down there, at Schela and Cladova in Romania have been discovered proves of the first European agricultural activities which appear to be even older than 10,000 years.
Out of 60 scientifically works which are covering this domain, 30 of them localize the primitive origins of the man-kind in Europe, where 24 of them are localizing this origin in the actual Romania, (Carpathian- Danubian area); 10 are indicating western Siberia, 5 Jutland and/or actual Germany room, 4 for Russia, 4 for some Asian territories, 1 for actual France area and all these recognisied despite against the huge pride of those nations.
Jean Carpantier, Guido Manselli, Marco Merlini, Gordon Childe, Marija Gimbutas, Yannick Rialland, M. Riehmschneider, Louis de la Valle Poussin, Olaf Hoekman, John Mandis, William Schiller, Raymond Dart, Lucian Cuesdean, Sbierea, A. Deac, George Denis, Mattie M.E., N. Densuseanu, B.P. Hajdeu, P Bosch, W. Kocka, Vladimir Gheorghiev, H. Henchen, B.V. Gornung, V Melinger, E. Michelet, A. Mozinski, W. Porzig, A. Sahmanov, Hugo Schmidt, W. Tomaschek, F.N. Tretiacov are among the huge number of specialists which consider Romania the place of otehr Europeans origines and Romanian the oldest language in Europe, older even than Sanskrit.
According to the researchers and scientists, the Latin comes from the old Romanian (or Thracian) and not vice versa. The so called "slave" words are in fact pure Romanian words. The so called vulgar Latin is in fact old Romanian, or Thracian language, according to the same sources...
The arguments sustaining the theories from above are very numerous and I don't want to go into them so deeply as long as the forum is and has to remain one languages dedicated, to.
In the limits of the language, please allow me to present a list of just a few (out of thousands of words), which are very similar/ even identical in Romanian and Sanskrit:
Romanian
numerals : unu, doi, trei, patru, cinci, sase, sapte...100=suta
Sanskrit
numerals: unu, dvi, tri, ciatru, penci, sas, saptan...100 = satan
then Romanian Sanskrit
acasa acasha (at home)
acu acu (now)
lup lup ( wolf)
a iubi (considered slave) iub (love)
frate vrate (brother)
camera camera (room)
limba lamba (tongue)
nepot napat (neffew)
mandru mandra (proud)
lupta lupta (fight)
pandur pandur (infanterist)
nevasta navasti (wife)
prieten prietema (friend)
pranz prans (lunch time)
Ruman Ramana (Romanian)
saptamana saptnahan (week)
struguri strughuri (grapes)
vale vale (valley)
vadana vadana (widow)
a zambi dzambaiami (to smile)
umbra dumbra (shadow)
om om (man-kind)
dusman dusman (enemy)
a invata invati (to study)
a crapa crapaiami (to break something)
naiba naiba (evil)
apa apa (water) and not AQUA like in Latin. It looks like aqua came from apa and not the other way around...
and so on for more than thousand situations...
According to M. Gimbutas, the confusion Roman (Romanian as in original language) = Roman (ancient Rom citizen), is generated by the fact that Romans and Romanians have been the same nation, the same people. The Dacians/Thracians and Romans have been twins. The illiterate peasants called Romanians, Ruman and not Roman. Why do they call so? Because RU-MANI, RA-MANI, RO-MANI, API, APULI, DACI and MAN-DA , VAL-AH are all synonyms expressing the person from the river banc or from the river valley. APII could be found under the form of mez-APPI in the ancient Italy, under he same name as the APPULI Dacians. APU-GLIA, (or Glia Romanilor in Romanian - Romanian land) can be found with this meaning only in Romanian (Glia= land)
In the Southern side of Italian "booth" exists the first neolitical site of Italy and it is called MOL-feta. The name itself has Romanian names, according to Guido A. Manselli: MOL-tzam (popular Thank you), MUL-tumire (satisfaction), na-MOL (mud); MOL-dova (province and river in Romania, Za-MOL-xis, Dacian divinity. Manselli said that this archaeological sit is 7,000 years old and has a balcanic feature.
I came up with this topic just to hear decent opinions and not banalities like those of a few days ago when while surfing for a language forum, I read all kind of suburban interventions. This topic is for people whith brain only. ua-cam.com/video/IhDMWmGOBrA/v-deo.html
Load of rubbish.
All civilisations are polyglot, following conquests, civil wars and passive immigration. There's no original European culture, but Greece, Rome and perhaps the proto-Europeans are the nearest it comes. Romania is as much a daughter of Rome, as much as France, Germany or Portugal.
Lingua Latina est maximi momenti
I know that some English words came from French, and Latin...
mortuum dicere volebam, quod latina possum!
You need improving on the grammatic. I know it's been three years, just so you know.
@@slitbodmodfidgetspinnerdab3317 I think it can be read grammatically, though I'm not sure that's what he wanted to convey.
To me it reads 'I wanted to speak of death, which in Latin I can!'
I guess he's referencing the post mortem part of the video.
Non carborundum illegitimi.
4.20: ' ...the Latin language was spread. Later, local tongues began to develop direct descendants of Latin: Rumanian..'
Let's take a glance to this Rumanian language! Why Rum. apă (water) must develop directly from Latin aqua?
Yep
If Latin is influenced by Q - Celtic, and Romanian by P - Celtic, that difference would make sense. Conpare *equus*, "horse", with *Epona*, the Gaulish horse-goddess. Both types of Celtic can be found in Britain, which is a fairly small area, so it is not impossible that a Latin word was "Romanianised'.
You don't need to complicate the picture introducing the so-called "celtic influence". Take it simple, there is an Indo-Iranian similitude already: Skt. aapa (water) आप, Avestan ap, ape, apô (water), anâpem, Pers. âb, aab (water) etc. and reconstructed PIE hxap (water).
+paul raicu Thanks :) That's really informative. I had no idea.
The word 'river' is 'abhainn' in Irish. Google gives the Irish word for 'lady' as 'bhean', but that would be the lenited form of 'bean' as in 'mo bhean' (my woman); the Persian (Farsi) word for 'lady' is 'خانم' (banu), which is almost the same as 'ban' in Old Irish. If I'm not mistaken, 'ab' was the Old Irish word for 'water'. If you reference a PIE word, common practice is to put an asterisk (*) in front of it so as to denote it as a reconstruction since the Proto-Indo-Europeans didn't have a written language.
If someone did a remake today, I think that it could be genuinely more compelling, with color (of course) and authentic costume and hair style; but also with CG images of Rome-as-it-was for young Virgil to dream about. And perhaps some acknowledgment that 'Cicero' and 'Caesar' are pronounced in English differently from the way the Romans did ('the soldier-statesman Kaisar, whom we call Caesar', for example). Or for that matter, saying 'Latin' with a medial 't' instead of a glo'al stop and other poor pronunciations. By and large, though, I think it is still good work.
I am sold!
Excellent short documentary. UK
Okay okay, it's normally to have somewhat of an accent when speaking other languages. But at 5:52 her pronunciation hurt my ears so badly..
She reads those words almost as if they were English. And she is a Latin teacher ffs... (don't know of she really was one or if she was just an actor pretending to be one. But in either case.. ).. A teacher should know that you do not pronounce 'sub' like im the English word submarine
My goodness..
Sorry for the rant. But I just have no understanding for that
Guess she’s just an actress
Oddly she then pronounced the u correctly in numine, albeit accented. She may just not have read it out loud often. Many Latin teachers neglect the spoken aspect.
THE C In Latin is pronounced K so this is hilarious from that perspective.
My Latin teacher preferred v to be pronounced as v rather than w.
QVIDQVID LATINE DICTVM SIT ALTVM VIDITVR
+amazing763 videtur
Another error: dictum est, not dictum sit. But I agree with your quote^^
Dictum sit is the 3rd person singular perfect passive subjunctive
AlphaBagel Praeter 'viditur' recte latine scripsit.
@@fabianfischer4229 I don't think it's an error. He's using subjunctive as in 'whatever might be said in Latin...'
Man I dislike American Latin accent so much!
True
Ah, yes, that famous geographic feature of the Roman Empire, the Dacian Sea. And then the Romanians drained all of the water so they could live there.
I’m learning Latin. I don’t like Rome nor Catholicism nor Italy one bit. Still doing it tho
isn't ARMA VIRUMQUE CANO, I sing wars and man?
Eu sou uma falante nativa de Latim
I'm a native Latim speaker
Fonte: confia
Young Rod Serling really knew a lot of Latin.
excellent video
She is pronouncing the world all wrong.
DeLynn G I don't know about the world, but I've just discovered that Americans pronounce the language La'n. As I'm British it had never occurred to me (we pronounce it Latin. Weird. ).
who is here because of mr mayfield?
Why Study Latin? (1951)
Why Study LGBTQ? (2023)
Romanaes eunt domus.
🤣🤣🤣
People call Romanes they go the house?
Beautiful presentation! Such cultural enrichment!
Not convincing at all. Still, Latin is a great language.
what is that pronunciation
Great video! Thanks!
Now I know:)
caecilius est in horto
An excellent video!
Rumanian? 😂😂😂
Nice vidéo
Woaw
et tu Bruti?
cave ruber sub lecto sunt.
Watch out for the red under the bed?
The only good argument out of all of them was the girl who is studying it to become a better writer in English, learning how to better put words together.
Awful language. But when you grow up all the lawyers quote Latin proberbs and you are silent like a fish.
Ah Latin, the second oldest language. Right after Vulgar Latin.
It's not the oldest. Greek, Sanskrit, Persian, Hittite & Egyptian are even older than Archaic Latin.
1. The girl couldn't be a doctor or lawyer? 2. Don't most Latin words in English come from French, not directly from Latin, so...
In the 50s, they wouldn't have suggested those sorts of careers for a girl. I'm sure they thought they were being very progressive by saying she may have any career at all, rather than imagining her growing up to be a secretary looking to get married.
Even worse is this - do you see a single black kid in that class? Now that's pretty bad.
"Don't most Latin words in English come from French, not directly from Latin?"
The Norman invasion and rule over England did bring in an enormous quantity of French terms. However, the Normans also brought with them their own church prelates who brought in a more sophisticated church culture (Alcuin, Bede, and the Anglo-Saxon "Northumbrian renaissance" being a distant memory by the time of the Norman invasion). They brought with them the scholasticism that was already dominant in northern France. This brought Norman England into direct contact with the Renaissance of the Twelfth Century with its sophisticated Latin learning centered on the cathedral schools and the emerging universities. Any theological, philosophical, scientific speculation as well as Roman legal jurisprudence was being done in scholastic Latin (1100s, 1200s, 1300s especially).
The English people of Chaucer's time received their first serious draft of classical learning (much of it translated from the Arabic in Spain and taken northward through France in the 1100s and 1200s) in scholastic Latin. (Norman French was spoken by the aristocratic nobility; however higher education was under the control of the Church which used Medieval Latin as its medium.)
The Romans were in Britain before the Anglo-Saxons were, and after being in Britain for a while they converted to Christianity and it was during that time that some Latin words were imported directly into English, and maybe even before then when the ancestors of the Anglo-Saxons were still on the European mainland. That was well before the Norman Invasion.
Non sense...🤨
Latin can teach you some basic knowledge but you should not glorify it! Technology is much more important today. And Latin teachers will kill their own language through their arrogance! ;)
+Murmillo TV - A rather dated view of history with its emphasis on Western cultural superiority. This drivel may appeal to those who wish to impress the lower orders (snobs), but nowadays such an approach will most likely result in them being ridiculed: see "The idiot who praises..." W.G.Gilbert. I endured this method in an English Grammar school in the 1960s. I didn't care for it then, but I enjoy Latin now (and a few others). The only good reason for learning anything that you don't really need IS enjoyment. :)
+Syd Barrett well said ...
Technology cannot give a "feel" for a language. A knowledge of Latin, OTO, can be very helpful in showing why the languages derived from it contain the forms they do. To say nothing of the great usefulness of Latin as a means for reading Latin literature - which did not end with the Western Roman Empire. The usefulness of Latin has its limits, certainly - but that is no great weakness, because everything has its limits; most definitely including technology.
@@27b4 Would you say the same of Chinese learning 文言文/Classical Chinese, as is required in Chinese schools? Are they teaching 'a rather dated view of history with an emphasis on Chinese cultural superiority'?
It's not the least bit dated. Latin and Greece was not commonly taught just for some vain status symbol, it is ingrained in the language, it is the root of all Romance languages and makes up the vast body of scientific, medical and legal literature. The high irregularity of English particularly only begins to make sense with a foundation in Latin and Greek, and memorization of specialized terms found in the field of science and law, which would ordinarily be a great burden for those with no foundation at all as each term appears highly unfamiliar and without structure, become second nature with fluency in Latin and Greek.
Even disregarding that, though, the Romans left a massive footprint on the world and made many important innovations. There's no shame in emphasizing these achievements.
Thought it said "Corona Films"