Why a fifth generation Oregonian is pushing for a ‘Greater Idaho’ takeover
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Sandie Gilson has lived in the John Day area for years. She’s a board member for "Greater Idaho," the group looking to have Idaho annex the eastern half of Oregon. For her, it's a matter of both political and cultural considerations, and she says that both sides would benefit from the divorce.
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Speaking as an at least 5th generation eastern Oregonian (Malheur County), I support the greater Idaho movement 1000%! If I could sign a paper that divorced us from the other side of Oregon tomorrow, I would GLEEFULLY sign it RIGHT NOW!
The truth is that the rest of Oregon wouldn't miss the economic burden of providing services to Eastern Oregon that greatly exceed the state tax revenue generated in the area. I noticed that Sandie Gilson blamed the Spotted Owl for the decline in logging. Let's pretend that the primary reason for the decline in timber production is due to the fact that cutting second growth forest does not produce as much as old growth did. The vast majority of the forests are on federal land where the last few remaining old growth trees have been reserved from harvest. Even if the last old growth tree were sent to the mill it wouldn't make a significant difference to timber production rates. Ms Gilson wasn't even honest about how far it is to the nearest Wallmart! (It's 2-1/2 hours, not 3.) Another obstacle to your plan is that if Idaho ever looked at the economics of letting eastern Oregon join them they wouldn't want you either. Nevertheless, I hope you succeed in your efforts to move the state line. If you do get the chance to leave, don't let the door hit you in the backside on your way out. 😝
@@noyopacific I agree.with you 1000%.
@@noyopacific yeah keep telling yourself that. MOST of Oregon wants to become another state to get away from you California wannabe pinkos destruction of rights and economy. We'll gleefully watch your communistic ship sink, we just don't want to be a any part of it. 🖕😁
Stoner, you're OK with the state of Idaho inspecting your teenage daughter's genitals? You're OK with your Daughter becoming a convicted felon for leaving the state for medical care that Idaho won't allow? You must be a really good Christian?
Why does the federal government own any land in Oregon or any other state? Perhaps a military base or post, and federal office buildings could be federally owned, but other than that the federal government doesn’t have a right to own land in states.
The State government needs to stop imposing laws on the entire state that do not benefit the entire State. Most of these issues seem to need local action not statewide mandates. If Portland, Salem and Eugene want cannabis sales, allow them to impose local ordinances that permit that activity. If those cities want more gun control, let them, but allows other areas to function within the 2nd Amendment. I think “party” politics are at play here. The “party” wants cannabis, stricter gun controls, less or more restricted law enforcement, lighter sentence for criminals, illegal immigration, and so on. Those positions do not suit everyone in the State, nor should they.
Is someone coming up to you pushing cannabis down your throats? Lol y’all sound silly.
Social engineering.
Hate to say it, but the Red parts of Oregon are brimming with weed shops.. they could've said NO. but the city councils smelled huge amounts of EZ cash.
Wish they'd include Eastern Washington in that!
Dream On! Spokane is just as blue as Seattle. That is probably why they only include the southeast corner of Washington in their phase three plan.
Washington State has zero income tax unlike Idaho. That presents a turn-off for some people
@@dlagno That is one drawback.
We need an electoral college at the state level to give some representation to those outside of the liberal cities.
Ever hear of “swing states”, I know you have: the six to twelve moderately sized states that decide who becomes president by way of the electoral college. Folks like you keep repeating the myth that the EC protects the small states, but in fact, it protects slave owners, and the rich, and the swing states cut the Californias and Vermonts right out of the picture. How does it benefit you, or anyone else when a repulsive degenerate gets the White House after he lost the election by 3,000,000 votes? That’s not democracy, and you’re not calling for democracy, you want santa to exempt you from the modern world. There is no santa, and when change comes, you either roll with it, or you get rolled over. And if you want to see what happens to people who think they can resist change? Look no further than San Francisco and its nasty housing market. That’s the textbook of example of what happens wen you try to resist change (instead of planning for it and steering it).
The Supreme Court case of Gray v. Sanders in 1963 ruled the County Unit System in Georgia unconstitutional. This removed all electoral college like systems in all states nationwide. The only reason the federal Electoral College is still active is it would require a Constitutional Amendment to abolish the Electoral College.
The same happened to over 30 state senates modeled on the US Senate with the SCOTUS case of Reynolds v. Simms (1964).
You are not using an electoral college, and not border changing, if you don’t like it here then pick up and move pack up and go, because Idaho has a lifestyle you can have, just like the people who didn’t like living in New York moved to Florida which is why Florida ended up going to trump in the 2020 election which added 3 points up from 2016.
@@thomasdeturk5142I ain't moving bitch
The south coast wants to be part of the greater Idaho, we share the feeling that eastern Idaho
I meant eastern Oregon does
From the south coast myself, 100% can confirm
I moved from Grant's Pass area in 2006 to north Eastern oregon Best decision...
Similar boiling divides in Illinois, New York, Virginia with other states also dealing with the dictatorship of the majority
Add Colorado to your list. Our gay Governor closed churches during Covid and declared them super spreaders. Abortion clinics liquor stores and marijuana dispensaries, were considered essential and kept open.
@@locusCeruleus Tyranny of the minority land area over the majority land area, Locke's argument For rebellion against unjust rule in the Second Treatise on Government is fundamental to the United States sovereignty. imho
Where I live in FarNorCal we have bill boards that say we will not comply. 2A sanctuary county.
We may pay taxes, but our sheriffs follow the constitution and not Gavin Newsome. Stay strong America.
Hell yea
Will your sheriff defend you to his demise. I hope it doesn’t come to that but the government army will always win. Remember Waco. They just wanted to be left alone.
@@goducgo So what. I'd rather die on my feet than live like a cuck.
@@goducgo Look into the TRUTH about wako,,there was was a lot of lies and manipulation by gov ( murders) ,and media misrepresenting what really happened. #JESUS
I like news stories like this one. Good job! No bias, honest reporting. This is the news I want to watch.
We the people in Ore City feel the same way!!! This gal is 100 per cent right!
I understand Oregonians frustration. But as a life long Idaho resident, I feel like it wont benefit Idaho at all. We would be incorporating some of the poorest counties in Oregon. It brings nothing to the table but debt.
Yeah but wont they help keep idaho a republican state in the future by offsetting any liberals moving to idaho?
Take Eastern Washington with you
@@stephanielane2801 Washington State has zero income tax unlike Idaho. That presents a turn-off for some people
LISTEN TO THIS PERSON.
Most likely not much debt, considering all that land is either federal or privately owned. It also opens up mining opportunities for lithium which can't be mined under the democrat government, which would vastly out value any debt.
It's not Western Oregon law, rather the main population centers. County government should have more control.
Imagine if electoral votes were counted by county and not state!
@@someone92353 but they aren't and they never will be. pick another fantasy
@@someone92353 Electoral College votes are determined by congressional districts. At the very least, they could be counted like Nebraska and Maine where each House district gets an Electoral College vote and the state winner gets the two additional Senate votes. The chances of that are incredibly small.
In this abusive relationship the abusive one will never let them go ever
The people are free to leave
@@timdoggy amen!
@@timdoggy May they leave the rest the abusers without having to uproot themselves."Progressivism" is ever encroaching.They do not live and let live they're controlling and parasitic,hence why they won't leave normal people alone.
It pains me to say this, but rural American's feel like their are being sacrificed on the alter of environmentalism and social justice by urban American's. It does seem as if many on the left no longer hide their contempt for rural American's. I truly wish this was not the case, and worry about the idea of states breaking up, but I am not sure what the solution is. It is completely expected that you will from time to time elect people who support your ideas and periodically elect people who do not, but what do you do when after 30 years only people you do not support get elected. At that point are you a valued member of a free society, or are you a subject who has to do what you are told in perpetuity? I hope reason, tolerance and respect prevails and their is no need to break up an American state.
As a Californian, I also see this type of division in our own state. It's a shame that as Americans we are so divided now. It doesn't have to be that way. Even in a divorce, there really aren't any winners. Relationships take work and that is sadly missing in our society. I blame a lot of our leaders who fan the flames for their own political gains.
How DOES one compromise with an abusive spouse who crushes the hopes and dreams of the other?
Leftists are communists who won't stop till they destroy everything American...... kind of like having cancer as your bed buddy....
@@barntapes3414 This part. We are not "divided" we have a significant portion of people living in this country who HATE this country and want to hmmm..." fundamentally transform" it forever. We have to tell it like it is. I refuse to sit at the table with communists and socialists. I'm an AMERICAN damn it.
'Move your government out here'
That hit hard.
When you have ONE county like Multnomah who voted for Kotek with 265,805, the question becomes, how can 8 counties with a total population of only 191,051 compete with just that one county during a state election? 2022 election where out of 36 counties only 12 counties voted for Kotek meaning 24 counties voted for Drazan with a 75% of those population of voters. 12 counties in western Oregon can out vote the other 24 counties is a dictatorship and a problem. Time for an electoral college form where one county one vote for Oregon when electing state officials? just a suggestion. It is a West vs East thing in Oregon where East Oregon is dictated to.
Same in Wisconsin, 6 counties decide the Governor.
As a resident of Idaho, I would welcome them. It is true what Sandie says that the Democrats refuse to listen to non-Democrats, and refuse to work with others. It's very true that to the Democrats, everything has to be their way. We're seeing this in our national government. The government only cares about a few selected people, and to heck with everyone else. Including the people that vote for that government. To those residents of Oregon that want to join with Idaho, be aware that we do somethings differently too. Working together, maybe we can change that to a win-win.
We need this for California same thing happening here.
I’m on the south coast and I’d love to join Eastern Oregon as well. Sign me up.
I love how so many people who should know better blame the spotted owl for what was actually Georgia Pacific and Louisiana Pacific deciding they'd rather ship raw logs to Asia as opposed to ever dealing with unionized mill workers again.
This is so interesting and honestly, makes so much sense.
Looking forward to tomorrow’s interview!
If they don’t want to partake in legal cannabis then don’t? Also who is trying to take away the self-sufficiency? The only argument here that made kinda sense to me is how the gun laws should work differently in the country vs the city. Everything else feels like “I want to impose my way of living on other people.” Everyone here has a very fair and free choice to not partake in anything that doesn’t reflect whatever values they hold. That’s what freedom looks like. And the fact that you can’t be in the same state because “city people” feels really disingenuous.
They don't want to participate in the legalization of recreational cannabis because of the problems and lifestyle choices that come with it. Gun laws initiated by the ideological Left work exactly the same in the city as they do out in the country in that they open the door to further lawlessness and despair. Such gun laws work AGAINST the interests of those who are law-abiding. It's the Left who want to impose their ideals on everyone else, not the Right. The people of Eastern Oregon don't want to be a part of the destruction of civilization that's happening in larger Western Oregon cities, plain and simple.
And why should gun laws be different between city and country? Why am I expected to give up my 2A rights just because I enter a city? Like it or not, the 2A is part of the US Constitution, and the Constitution is the supreme law of the land (Article VI, Paragraph 2). And how does taking away the rights of the law-abiding stop criminals who, by definition, do not follow the law? Maybe we should keep the violent thugs locked up instead of pushing for more and more control over the rest of us.
@@sinjin6219 y’all always have the same arguments and we give you the same answers: Weapons made for mass killings SHOULD NOT BE EASY TO GET BECAUSE THEY ARE MADE TO KILL MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN A FEW MOMENTS. I don’t give a shit if you want a gun, but why are you trying to come into the city with mass shooting weapons? Also look at many of the last few shootings. They obtained those guns legally. But mention any common sense regulations to keep people from buying these and then immediately going on a rampage, and you cry about the second amendment. Also Laws like background checks stop gun sales to criminals in other places every damn day. Make it hard for criminals to get guns too. 😒
@@sinjin6219 it’s so easy for you to make this argument when you’re not the ones dealing with having to be prepared if a person with an assault weapon is gonna walk in any day now and kill you for a bullshit reason while you’re just trying to learn.
@@sinjin6219 and stop acting like smuggling certain types of guns isn’t harder when they’re illegal. It’s not exactly something you can stick up your ass to hide.
I'm pretty sure they take more in tax revenue than they generate so "rump" Oregon would actually save money if they took their ball and went home. I just wonder if Idaho wants that burden.
Not to worry. Much of Idaho is similar to eastern Oregon in geography and economics and political ideology. The possibility of a largely conservative addition to our population has the few democrats squirming in their seats at the statehouse. BTW, for the past two years, Idaho has had a billion dollar budget surplus. And ANTIFA knows that trying to take root here is failed thinking and they love Portland.
@@sawtooth4615 Oregon also had a budget surplus and in the Oregon constitution the surplus gets returned to the tax payers in the form of a "kicker" check. I think they'd have to give that up. Also, Idaho has a lower minimum wage, and servers earn a "tip wage" which is even lower. I'm sure restaurant owners would love the idea of getting to pay their servers less, but the people who have to live on that wage won't.😆
I'm convinced that when a real poll of Idahoans is done, and by 'real' I mean it would first inform the people being polled of the actual consequences of taking over eastern Oregon, the citizens of Idaho will reject this boondoggle immediately
@@dustinDraig At the current state of the economy and the labor force that is willing to work, minimum wage is hardly an issue anymore. Fast food is in competition for workers at over $15 an hour and minimum skilled manufacturing like the R.V. factories are paying $20 for new hires.
@@sawtooth4615 Antifa? 😆🤣😂 Omg. You poor thing.
Change is such a horrible thing, moving to join Idaho would fix that. Idaho is such a free state. Check out their reproductive laws and the intellectual freedom in their libraries.
We, in rural Idaho, have to live with the liberal laws passed in the Boise Metro area where most Idahoans live. Why are you any different?
It takes a 2/3 majority in Congress for this to happen, so don't hold your breath. Article 1 clause 3
Also Senate vote and President sign off
It's a shame that this kind of division is even allowed to be part of any discussion. Political and ideological differences fractures the unity of a nation. Since 2016, the division within the nation has exponential increased. The US is militarily probably the most difficult nation to invade but why even think that way? Adversaries know how the mighty USSR ended. Not by invasion whatsoever. Neither did the great Ottoman empire or the Roman empire end that way. The US's adversaries aren't playing that game. They are strategically working on an internal upheaval....step by step. If those right extreme lunatics could only understand.
My grandpa was a logger and lived in Eugene. Get over yourself. Now everyone in the cities voted for those measures either. You have a victimhood thought process.
At the time your grandfather was a logger who lived in Eugene, the entire state of Oregon was red - yes, even Eugene. The people of Eastern and Southern Oregon aren't interested in the dystopian values that Leftist policies impose on everyone. Leave them alone and let them do their thing.
Because of salem and Portland keeping tax money for both city's. And now Tima Kotex Gun Law.
Obedience to laws is a personal decision.
Well, if they don't like Oregon, they should just move!!
That's what they're in the process of trying to do, genius.
They are moving...the border. It doesn't affect you.
Geez..this would mean that our Western Idaho ranch would be in Central Idaho. I would like to see all these good people become citizens of Free America.
The Spotted Owl was getting killed by the eastern bard owl , nothing to do with habitat or logging
And the marajuana laws got me to leave Oregon many years ago , just for them to legalize it in Nevada
California is taking over neighboring states and I don't like it's influence on society
I moved away from Oregon in Jan 2020.
I have lived on Idaho and eastern Washington
Oregon does not have enough revenue to maintain its state like Washington
does from Boeing to Barley and boat building. Oregon has a logging industry but is reluctant to utilise it. Oregon
relies on tourism and small business and federal money for the 5 freeway.
So they want to let go of anything past 30 miles East of the 5 freeway...if the current administration was not busy redefining the word infrastructure to fit their pie in the sky dream , Oregon could benefit from a desperately needed infrastructure bill just sitting on the House floor. We are being divided by population in a indivisible nation.
"revenue" is not wealth.
You love fiat currency.
You have revealed yourself to everyone. Take a look in the mirror and see pure evil.
My grandfather was 100% Klamath; he and his people would've loved to not see your miner grandfather come along and change his/their way of life... "get over it."
@@crushedorchids agreed
I love all the "If you don't like Oregon leave it" comments.
Yeah that's what they are trying to do, but they are gonna take their farming communities with them.
Also the "Land doesn't vote" well cities don't produce food. So I care
about their needs unlike the rest of the voting masses crammed in the cities.
I personally would rather see a East and West oregon rather than a greater Idaho though.
Only a fool marvels at something like this and because of being foolish, the fool doesn't understand the nature of this cancer consuming Oregon and Idaho. Yes, it is a cancer spreading throughout the union and it will only be a matter of time before this cancer consumes the fool.
They can pack up and leave. These counties receive more money than what they can generate in taxes.
@@remoir6273 Well in that case why fund them at all?
We already moved along with thousands already. Not worth the fight
Independent state, outside of the US with a trade border with US and Canada?
Novel idea if you do not like Oregon move to Idaho , you will be very disappointed.
You guys like meth, but hate weed?
Succession is a human right.
You're anti-white and you don't get it?
I prefer the 40's version of the State of Jefferson
In southern CA wish we could break away from big cities to fix the state.
Why "turn things around?" 'Re-stating" is a good solution. It should be encouraged, nationally. Who knows what shenanigans the big-city people are subjecting rural Oregonians to. For one, obviously, their voices aren't being heard. So what's the difference if the name on your mail is "Oregon" or "Idaho?" Its all United States of America! That's all that counts. GO RE-STATING! Illinois, Upstate New York, California, etc. Take your congressional districts with you and move on to friendlier territory!
If ballot measure voting results were put into effect on how the individual counties passed, or failed the measure would go a long way in recognizing the differences between east and west, and north and south for that matter.
It's really most of Oregon vs a few blue dots on the map. Portland, Eugene and now Bend has fallen too, I guess.
We rural Oregonians are truly blessed. WE MUST abide by Oregon law and Oregon politics. If this is too much to handle, move to Idaho!!
“We’re more self reliant. That’s why we want the government to pander to our feelings.”
You've got that totally ass-backwards.
Succession isn't pandering to anyone. Bootlicker!
Try saying that again but in a way that makes sense
If that was true why instead of the areas wanting to have true representation, wouldn't they be trying to force Oregon to work the way they want to be governed? They don't want pandering the just don't like the taxation with out representation. Their voices are ignored and never heard.
Any Oregonian who wants to be a part of Idaho go move there you won’t be missed at all! 👋
Its the same where I am. I am only 30 minutes outside of a small town in Washington, but when someone is actively breaking in the house the cops may as well be 3 hours away. Gun laws are for city dwellers where there is a cop on every corner. Not for out here in the mountains. How nice of the city dwellers (lowlanders) to tie our hands behind our backs for us. I can hardly wait for them to see the slaughter these laws create. What a shame it has to happen at all. If it were actually "common sense" in any form it would only apply to them.
“Small town/rural” areas where people have so much land that’s not being used they could single handedly solve the homeless crisis?
@@TheGreen8astard
Sure. While they are breaking in a house to steal and getting shot doing it, it would for sure solve the homeless problem, drug problem, lazy AF problem, mental problem, it would truly be the zombie apocalypse. Except that the city dwellers are trying to disarm everyone so they are eaten by the zombies. Imagine that, actually wanting the zombies to win. When there is nothing left where they are they will move on. So if they start out of the city and move in or start in the city and move out, sooner or later they will get there.
@@TheGreen8astard I'm a liberal democrat and I'm telling you that you're spouting nonsense. The homeless problem would be solved if the laws pertaining to their lifestyle (shoplifting and begging in the streets as well as all the other offenses) were enforced. It really is a ridiculous situation and shouldn't be tolerated because it's ruining the lives of decent hard working (tax paying) people
@@TheGreen8astard wow, i take it you don't know much about farming or ranching. why should anyone be obligated to house strangers who are mentally ill or drug addicts - addicts created by portland public policy. do you offer your front and back yard to the homeless? what about your spare room or car? how about you start this movement.
@@TheGreen8astard Why should they take your bums and drug addicts? FU
You’re specifically trying to outlaw books in schools you disagree with. Yes, you are just as guilty of imposing yourself on us lady.
So if you detest people like her so much, why would you care if they left and joined Idaho? Seems like a win win
I grew up on a farm near Eugene. I started working in agricultural fields when I was 8 years old. So you are not different than I. If you don't like it then move to Idaho. The whole state should stay whole.
@@WiscoCasey oh they can happily move their victim asses somewhere else, but they aren’t taking property I own with them in their faux victimhood.
No. Schools are corrupt. The lockdowns showed us that. Wake up wokie.
Are you referring to the books that show kids giving b******* to kids
Let’s just dump Portland.
I know the people say they don't think if they talk to the governor it would help but the thing of it is they should do it they should a few of them should go to Portland go to the governor whoever the governor is and make them listen and they should come to some kind of compliment some kind of halfway point but these people that live in this town how do you ignore the other half of the town that doesn't make sense
Take Curry county too. The problems are growing monthly. More drugs, more trash, 114. Could live in a big city if I wanted a lesser neighborhood.
Does she honestly think I live off of delivery pizza? 😂
I can barely afford to buy frozen at the grocery!!
Judging by your stature...yes.
Why should Idaho get Crater Lake, John Daly, more of the gorge and actual coast???
This is the stup!@&$t idea.
Exactly... It's like stealing land like the entitled colonizers they are
Portland is a rotten part of life
If you don't like Oregon and don't want to live here, why don't you MOVE??
Why don't I move? My family history goes back several generations here in Oregon. I do like my home state and will I continue to live here. What I do not like is our current state government. "Move? No! YOU move!" --a quote
let them leave.......let idaho pay their medical costs, snap, education, etc............
Move to Idaho already.
Move the border.
CA next
Well, my family came to Oregon in the 1850s and I think the idea is as reckless and idiotic as states wanting to succeed. It's all right wing politics with fully armed ignorance and selfishness and no real reason.
The problem is the regime in the White House
Why do these people think their lifestyle is so unique?
Lowlander.
@@justme-dm7sb you're boss
incest and illiteracy
@@henrykrinkle268
LMAO
@@justme-dm7sb that's right
Can we all agree that we disagree if they want southern calf ,portland, seattle and what ever outside newyork. Than lets seperate in peace. Other wise we all know ruale America Will kick ass ! Lets just get it over with. Those who know what a woman is the back bone of america. Versas tbose who cant define a woman. Hmm hows that going to work out.😅😊
Eastern Oregon LOVES selling weed to Idaho, lady.
Cross border trade will continue then. Glad you support secession. Snake.
Do the divorce. Tuna Kotex doesn't care about the taxpayers on the east side of the state.
i hope we get to be taken under Idaho's wing.
Idaho literally has NOTHING and you want to be “taken under its wing?”
Jeeeezus.
Only as a first step. Second step-Independent state.
Idaho doesn't want you fool...
💔
Sounds like Washington DC relations with the US
Why’d she bring up the legalization of pot? If their county didn’t vote for it then don’t make a dispo lol just bc it’s legal doesn’t mean you have to get high lol
This is the 2nd part of the KGW story. I have heard a lot of people saying "They don't listen to us"... I'd like to know specifically what happens in West Oregon that actually impacts Eastern Oregon in a negative way. My experience living in East Oregon is that it mostly a Liberal-Conservative, Us vs Them mindset. Life is East Oregon is heaven! Dividing the state would be a terribly sad disaster.
People are sick of anti white communists and druggie pedophile apologists. Wishing for a border between them and that is very understandable.
First one discloses some of the things. It isn't things impacting the east specifically. It is things that are practical for urban living, but are even dangerous for rural living.
Same in western Canada, completely different life, than, the eastern wokes,, W E F sabbatoge.
Good work 🙏🏻👍🏻
I wonder if eastern wa. would join in ?
Don't like Oregon? then moooooove....
We followed your advice and moved along with thousands already. Not good for Oregon.
That's exactly what they're in the process of doing. DURP 🤪
After the chaos of the past several elections I started contemplating various ways of making state elections more “fair “. The problem is that state legislatures are too simplistic. This is why the federal government has 2 congressional bodies. The state gooberments need the same idea. The new body would be like the US Senate. Each county would get one representative in this new legislative body. It would be equal in powers to the existing body. The 2 bodies would have to work together to pass legislation to send to the governor for his final approval. This would give the rural areas equal representation. Of course this creates a whole new bunch of bloodsucking politicians and staffers but I don’t see any other solution. The left would fight this tooth and nail.
Why should we give the 7,000 people in Grant County the same amount of power as the 800,000 people in Multnomah County?
It would be cheaper to divvy up the state into 20 districts drawn strictly on geometric considerations so there can be no gerrymandering. The boundary
lines would follow county lines so an entire county would be in one district.
Why should Idaho get Crater Lake, John Daly, more of the gorge and actual coast?
“Rural” areas where people have so much land they could single handedly solve the homeless crisis already have enough of a voice.
This is the stup!@&$t idea.
@@charlesm2437We are not a democracy built on population vote alone, but rather we are a representative Republic with checks and balances to prevent mob rule. The beauty of the US is equal representation.
For example, if the 800K hate guns, they can't automatically ban guns for the other 7K based on popular vote alone. You can swap out the word gun for religion, etc, etc. Basically, the majority can't take away the constitutional rights of the minority.
The Baker v. Carr line of cases in the 1960s made all of these unconstitutional. Gray v. Sanders eliminated the electoral college like systems within all states. The case of Reynolds v. Simms eliminated the district/county state senates modeled on the US Senate. Avery v. Midland County eliminated all local governmental districts to population only representation, and a couple more eliminated all non-population based boards, commissions, and governments everywhere except the US Senate and Electoral College. The last two needing an amendment to the Constitution to be enacted to eliminate those.
I would like to hear Ms. Gilson explain how pot legalization is any different in rural counties than urban ones, and how it is anything other than a step toward allowing people to live their lives as they see fit. The only meaningful evaluation of the disagreements between the urban and rural areas is to examine each particular policy of contention and determine exactly the point of contention. No doubt there are some where rural interests were clearly overlooked. However, I suspect there are many points of contention, like pot legalization, where the objections of some rural residents are little more than sour grapes. No way to say for sure without working the details.
Idaho yourself asap b4 they land grab ya, nice false flag could be comin, some sort of bs Catastrophe deeming the area usable
Sour cream is something most Oregonians can agree to, but sour is too kind a word to describe the disagreement between two large groups of people in Oregon, that disagreement ultimately about how serious or how Fraudulent mental healthcare is.
Typically, local media censors much the same as local schools, serious talk among the adults. That said, the reality in Oregon that is the disagreement between Oregonians is ultimately about how serious or Fraudulent the psychologists and psychiatrists are.
This disagreement didn't exist before the Progressive caucus became the dominant political faction within the Democratic Party, in Oregon. Since that happened and/or was reported to have happened in Oregon there has been a profound disagreement that is typically not spoken to in mass media nor at schools for children, primarily.
Many Oregonians live in information silos which are the metaphorical equivalent to a right wing survivalist's information silo. That reality has allowed for the profound and existential disagreement between what is church or cult of state (having nothing to do with science nor reason, indeed a faith based group) and what is legitimate government. Its the same disagreement that Governor Kitzhaber got himself into with influence peddling.
Mental health is, largely, the profession of influence peddling. It is used, more than in any other sector, the medical sector of the economy. Oregonians play dumb about how good and how wonderful the Oregon Health Plan is when Oregon, statistically, has the most medical malpractice for sex abuse by doctors to their patients in the entire USA. I used Google, found the law firm that talks about the "prevailing" academic study on medical malpractice throughout the USA.
Its not a disagreement about abortion as that disagreement pre-existed, was a pre-existing condition, and never was Greater Idaho talked about.
Progressives want something like a Mormon Utah, only instead a Progressive Mental Health cult of state that is never guilty of influence peddling. They are, I think and this is only my opinion, the Oregonians who really love the Oregon Health Plan because they use it all the time. The Greater Idaho Oregonians don't use it all the time and probably the least often (gross) and per capita..... "mental healthcare professionals" to assist them with decision making.
Ok. The rural Oregon citizen need to keep and pay for their own addicts, homeless, mentally unstable, unable to keep meaningful work and actually live adults instead of shipping them to the cities and urban areas. I'm glad you are stepping up to take care of your responsibilities. I grew up in a small rural town, I know how the elite deal with their problem people, they send them elsewhere. As for momon utah, they are using religion for tax exclusions and claims. They are the reason many find religions offensive because they are businesses. Time to tax them and cut off loopholes. Spirituality if free. That is why Jesus Christ never had a building or asked for tithing. Because people use it for status and making money. Religion in the US is f'd up.
@@carsi7282 Do you have the courage to speak to what everyone sees and does not speak to in public? That there is no scientific merit to any DSM-5 diagnosis as none of them are neurological nor genetic diagnosis. DSM-5 is peer review same as a church committee of deacons and their version of a board meeting. The chemical imbalance theory for diagnosis was proven non scientific, pure speculation.
And look at all the money the state pays the mentally ill. Look at affordable housing and the priority scheduling different people get for the same affordable housing unit.
Everyone knows, its both plain and obvious, the psychiatrists and psychologists are NOT the neurologists and genetic scientists or DNA sequencers. The first pair does not use science they use peer review and esteem and self esteem of those peers is also their merit. The second pair, the neurologists and geneticists, are scientists as in scientific medicine, fact based medicine.
Its obscene. It really is obscene how cult of state mental healthcare has become and how those advertisers for for profit psychiatric medication effectively run the journalists at all the major news networks. The journalists don't even care to do journalism, they just don't want to get in trouble or be in trouble such they are lectured by a psychiatrist or worse, a psychologist who is merely a member of the Progressive caucus instead of the expert opinion on being human, of the state PhD that isn't a real medical doctor despite most people insisting psychiatrists are medical doctors, "oblivious" of the financial incentives for being so disabled.
After my LGBTQ spouse was driven to suIc|de by the Great Conservative and Theocratic State of Texganistan, I left Texas for good. Texans say "if you don't like it here, move." When hate and "a way of life" is baked into laws and culture, you either suffer under that regime or you move. I try to be an idealist and live and let live but unfortunately and sorry to say, if you don't like it, leave for somewhere that accepts your way of life. I wish it were not that way but it is. You are better off living where you are accepted.
And lastly, the "Culture War" is only exacerbated by the economic decline of America due to corruption, greed, outsourcing and failing monetary policy. You just wait until AI and automation and gut the rest of Blue Collar America - that will destabilize this country - and the government and Big Tech have no plans for the wave of technological unemployment in the next decade.
How would it make sense for a majority of the population to leave? Even if it were feasible, what do you suppose would happen to eastern Oregon and it’s few remaining people? Why would Progressive western Oregon oppose moving the state border? I’m pretty sure the eastern half consumes more tax dollars than it contributes. Seems to me the majority on the east side should be able to simply state they are seceding from Oregon and joining Idaho if Idaho will have them or maybe forming the state of Jefferson along with the folks in eastern Washington and Northern California who would likely be eager to come along.
How did a state drive someone to delete themselves?
@decentrifytech marriage is for men and women, not the gay mafia
@@chaosensues1656 Eastern half only needs roads and schools, since the roads are less travelled they need less work than a city interstate
They're life or independent lifestyle maybe that's true but the thing that is us people of color we have to live an independent life our life is so different where the others we have farmers and our state for the people at ohm's land that's African American wants to kill them they kill the animals so that's problems out here in the country and also that's not what they are And I don't think they should do anything about the guns out there because those people live on the guns others didn't make sense and the people that run support an organization come out there and see exactly what these people need for their part of the state I mean you're talking about farmers so you're not talking about somebody that wears a business suit and for people not to know what's going on and this counting is totally not right. But I understand what they're saying because we are the other and we always have to look out for each other our families we look out for each other we look out for our elderly families we pull together with the money we help each other all the time so we just don't live on a farm but there value is a very similar to people that's the other because we are the other we have to stick together and do things together and work together it's just how it is so I understand when these people are coming from even though I'm after gonna American and I don't vote because I live by the 10 commandments and I don't see color so I don't fit in the blue or the red In my life I live by God's law and it's not always easy but that's what I do because she's always right and I know but don't like ugly it's going on even in this state I mean he doesn't like ugly going on anywhere and it's just not right most of my family used to democrats but there's no way what the city is doing for these people it's right it's just isn't I mean that human beings that live in the mean that they're not foreigners they're not spies I mean they just shouldn't be trying to live their life and I don't get why they're not helping But I'm. And I do like Portland Oregon I used to live there but we got everybody has to care about everybody in the state it's not right not to care about everybody in the state and I'm African American I just don't get it I mean I wouldn't want to live out there that rural area but I have lived in the rural area like that and I had to go fishing and people had to go hunting so and I'm a city person and the reason I'm a city person because I have a remote task I've riders and I ride around in my scooter so for me to live in a sub area like that I couldn't function in a area like that I have to be able to be close to my doctor it's just different but if I could live in an area like that which I like to live in square Washington which is the country it's really nice up there but I don't have my doctors there and that's the only reason I wouldn't live in a rural area like this or a rural area really anywhere I just couldn't they have no streaks so I can go on my school so I know how I get around but the government and the s*** Portland Oregon needs to help these people it's not right that they don't Period If people in Don't no God don't like ugly does God likes off😊🎉
Wau to go
I whant california split
Well, i have a sibling that lives in Idaho (Boise) & she is a Democrat such as am i, & she says Idaho is a very RED - State; and 'their' "values" are those where she often openly hears racial slurs, their government is rabidly anti-woman (pro fetus above the health & life of the woman), & no, you really would not want to risk any Democratic type bumper stickers on your vehicles or signage in your lawn. In fact, she only sees pro trump type imagery around her. Even her own son who lives there, is someone she can often barely tolerate 2b around ... just sayin ...
I sympathize with you totally. When I was in Oregon I couldn’t voice my views. I’m more conservative than the typical progressive and I knew I would risk friendships. No diversity of views in Portland either.
@@aguerra41 Right? Thats just a first amendment sort of issue though. It doesnt REALLY matter if you are a morally repugnant piece of filth right winger (or the strawman that they pretend you are so they have a bad guy to attack, which means they are the good guy in their minds). The second amendment cannot be exercised in the state of Portland either. At least not if you are carrying a gun and get attacked by a mob of protestors that beat the mess out of you...Pro-fetus is a new term. I think it is absolutely and definitely still pro-life but again, language is very important to leftists. You see...These sort of problems are why things are as bad as they are and have like 70% of the land mass of the state wanting to leave. The sad reality here is; We just want to be left alone and we disagree with the other sides ideas/opinions. They viscerally hate a group of people that dont actually exist in large part but they attack us as if we are all ACTUALLY that group.
Anti abortion is not anti woman necessarily. Over 98% of abortions are NOT for rape, threat to mom's life, or extreme fetal abnormality. People are upset that abortion is being used like a handshake. MANY far left socially liberal "values" are based on little to no logic or are morally disastrous to human civilization
Idaho is losing doctors and medical professionals because of their anti-woman. And another day, another old man grooms and rapes a teen girl/child
Move to Portland, Idaho won't miss her. As a White guy I get called every nasty name you liberal trash can think up, tired of being nice. FU
All of these commenters are missing the point of them not feeling heard. You boil it all down to a point that isnt covering the whole issue. That mindset alone is while they dont want to be apart of oregon. But sure keep going on about how theyre ignorant or they should pay to leave oregon or "its only the gun laws" or "just move to idaho". Ignorance and self righteousness goes all around
They are looking for a simple payoff. They won't find one. Freedom is contagious, and the dem+rep cabal is nervous.
If eastern Oregon wants a "divorce", they can also pay alimony
No fault divorce. Clean break. Bye bye
Why should they have to pay anything to leave? In a breakup, the spouse with more money is the one that pays alimony so your analogy is ridiculous.
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Put it a vote if you lose leave.
Probably bc oregon went karen woke run amok
I hear you… but those tax dollars also pay for specialized medical care you’d need if you have a heart attack or stroke. And that care would only happen in (gulp!) Portland. I think we all need to slow down and not have knee-jerk reactions because we don’t like this law or that law. Do you think that everyone agreed with the U.S. constitution when it was drafted? You have to take the good with the bad; nothing is absolute.
We all go to Boise for our surgeries and operations because it's closer. God forbid we have to go near that hell hole.
I can understand some of hers & the others concerns about certain gun laws, for sure; & i guess i don't have enuf info to get why the pot laws are bothersome, since one can 'just say no;' but its when the many of them talk so much of a different set of "values," i have to wonder exactly 'what' values those are? Are they supporters of white, male supremacy? Of forcing women to keep a fetus even at risk of death? and just things like that? I would agree to the need for some work arounds on some weapon specifics, but those other 'values' as yet not so clearly defined, now if they are what i believe they to be, well i just can't see ever compromising with a type of people who are anti-POCs, anti-Woman, anti-LGBTQ ... & even anti-Immigrant and along those lines?
Trust me, all of thoes talking points she had, are confederate flag speak, because all republicans what to do is be disruptive.
She described self-sufficiency (police/ER), neighbor relationships on large rural properties, wilderness awareness (corridors, hunting season), etc. The State capitol should move to Bend, IMO.
Democracy is "disruptive"?
Tell the founders that. Haha
Define a woman . marmac .
Ask a Native American first about having white people take over. Have they traveled to Idaho and asked if they are wanted? There are big cities and rural areas in Idaho with the same issues. Has anyone told them they can't shut down schools if needed? Maybe the gun law can be adjusted for rural areas? If the cops are three hours away, what cops are going to search your home to check for a gun safe? I have had deer, coyotes, chipmunks, squirrels, and raccoons in my backyard in Forest Grove, OR. We have farms here also. Western states are large, and all the population is never going to see eye to eye on everything. They can make county and city laws, and it seems sheriff's can pick and choose what they want to enforce. Does it just seem they are pissed because they are considered to be in a blue state?
I am for Greator idaho movement.
It tickles me in no no places knowing that shitheel Republicans stuck in oregon have no voice and no chance of succession 🤣
You are anti human rights.
understanding the frustration. But to start the process of moving borders because your unhappy. is political suicide. because then you open up for CA, texas, and every other damn state to be the same and instead of a united states of american you have red and blue states. if they wan representation, make inner oregon more attractive for folks to come, visit, understand. otherwise its on you as a rural oregon native. Popele are attracted to cities, that give jobs, housing etc. while expensive, there's alot more amenities there, many rural locations across the country don't want housing built, or other things that will modernize their area to make it more attractive. its simple logic. want more representative? get more people to live in your area NO matter how many idaho senators think its a good idea, they do not have the funds to transfer the dollar mount needed to buy everything. and IF YOU THINK congress will allow it? hey Non Oregonians? Will YOU HELP PAY for rural oregon to move to idaho on your taxpayer dollars because they are unhappy with their elected officials?
It's a human right to seceed. Ask the founders. Bootlicker.
Conservative Californian counties (There are a lot of conservatives and conservative areas in Cali) should not be held as colonized people's by urbanites. The same with Illinois, same with New York. Rural Areas will inherently have less people, what you are saying it fuck your agriculture industry, fuck your natural resource industry, fuck your wild life conservation, fuck daring to be rural. Just be a city instead, that fixes all the issues. That's not how this works, and just cause cities have more people does not mean rural areas should live under subjugation as second class citizens. At the end of the day, cities need rural areas. Cities need food, cities need natural resources, cities/urab areas are incapable of conserving wilderness, and at the end of the day, are incapable of doing most of these jobs. Rural areas can survive just fine without urban areas, it is urban areas that are reliant on rural areas. So your logic is backwards, and if it was followed to it's logical concussion it would mean no rural areas which would mean no food or natural resources.
Also most of Oregon, especially east Oregon is privately owned or owned by the federal government. There is not much to buy. On top of that , east Oregon has a lot of mining opportunity which cannot be done under Oregon's democratic government. Under Idaho's regulations, those natural resources can be tapped and would cover the cost of Oregon plenty of times over.
What policies are there in pandemic policies? Are you upset about because it sounds like you're just upset that you're a democratic state?