God is Real and Tangible | Alex-KY | Talk Heathen 04.32
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:00 Intro
05:39 Bashar-Middle East | Has a Personal Dilemma
13:54 Nick-TN | Weird Topic Alert! Nature is Strong!
24:41 Derek-OH | Courtroom Witnesses & Religion
43:08 Hayden-DE | Atheists Are Vindictive and Horrible!
52:15 Alex-KY | God is Real and Tangible
1:10:22 Phil-NC | Theological Pretzels and Ad Populum
1:22:50 Kendall-WA | What Evidence Made You an Atheist?
1:26:14 Merissa-WA | New Atheist Feeling Behind on Education
SHOW NOTES
Greetings heathens! It’s Sunday, so that means it’s time for ‘Coffee Topic Sunday Show.’ Otherwise known as Talk Heathen! We’re glad you’re here!
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Bashar from the Middle East, who has a personal dilemma that he would like to discuss: How does he help with others’ deconversion and beginning stages of atheism? Great query Bashar, but hopefully you don’t feel as though you are taking on their burden.
Next up, Nick in Tennessee calls about how amazing nature is and is wondering about Pagan practices. Practicing these rituals can be beneficial, just be careful you’re not propping them up to being anything other than fiction and fun.
Derek is wondering about courtroom witnesses and how different they are to personal testimony of the bible. He counters and asks, “How did the story of the Bible get told?” Because stories are fun and we like to gather and tell fantastical tales?
Hayden calls in saying that comments on atheist channels are vindictive and horrible. Here’s a protip Hayden: DON’T READ THE COMMENTS. It’s not helpful at all at further conversations.
Alex claims God is as real and tangible as a coffee mug or speaking in tongues. Eric moves on to say that anonymous and unknown authors don’t make for compelling evidence of claims. Alex doesn’t really like to listen, he rambles, and only waits for his turn to talk…
Phil in North Carolina calls in asking about “theological pretzels” and diving into the ad populum argument. He also claims that people by and large will always believe in something.
Kendall in Washington calls back! This time he asks what evidence helped make the hosts atheists. He also says at the end of the call he wants to talk to Matt about slavery. (Hey folks: Talk to the hosts of the show you’re calling, not other show hosts.)
Merissa is next, and she feels behind educationally after deconverting. Oh Merissa! We all felt that way, the best way forward is to find some really great and communicative channels here on UA-cam and have fun on your new adventure!
That’s our show today! We’ll see you next week!
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"Bigfoot doesn't have a Bible." Love it.
Don't be silly. Bigfoot is a Mormon.
That is T-Shirt Material right there.
He does. I just wrote it.
@@MrKit9 Bigfoot is an atheist.
@@reneolguin1081 Nah bro he's a Mormon.
Oh poor little alex, lost his script when he started listenning...
He probably got offended becuase the hsots were making a lot of sense.
Did he really start to listen? I don't think he did.
We need to use the right 🔧tools.
Quote of the week:
“Where did you put your Jesus?” - Eric Murphy
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Alex, stop waiting for your turn to talk and start listenning!
I don't think it is possible for him to listen. He seems like a dishonest douchebag.
I know! He didn't even react to Vi's cute story about a quarter to find stuff for the mom. I would have hung up on him way sooner.
@@nates9029 It's so crazy how they would ask a question and then he wouldn't answer with an answer that made any sense. It almost seemed like he was a real life bot. Lol
Also, he was doing some major projection. You didn't answer my question. You rambled on and on and made me forget my thought. Aiyiyi
They talked and talked but Alex didnt listen and listen! Ha ha. Sharp as a bowling ball.
Love your profile picture... No war, but class war
The caller never stopped talking.
Hilarious!
He's so angry and confused that his 'genius' analogy shattered at the least scrutiny.
Then when he finally abandoned it he descended VERY quickly down the mire of his own alternate illogical justifications and just got exponentially frazzled as they shattered even faster and faster.
Well, props to the Kentucky education system and southern Christianity for producing yet another intelligent, engaged individual capable of deep philosophical discussions
He is not capable of letting go of cognitive bias and dissonance.
He's not capable of thinking and listening to others. Braindead theist moron.
I laughed when Alex said retrace your steps to find Jesus, like misplacing keys. Has he looked behind the fridge? Lose something, it's always behind or under the fridge...😂
Jesus’ should really come with magnets on them so folks don’t lose their pet Jesus. Could just pop their Jesus on the fridge.
@@chrispbacon3042 People have tried nailing him down once.
@@---yl4mf LoL. Fucking got me good! Pow!
This caller isn't an idiot, he's just wilfully ignorant, which is worse.
No, he’s an idiot. They wasted good time having a discussion with this guy.
@@apyramidbuilder to say he's an idiot is to suggest he didn't know any better. He was fully aware of what he was doing, so to call him an idiot is to make excuses for him.
Nathaniel Thomson That’s true. Its all speculation. It was a waste of time to entertain his circular argument wether he was aware or unaware.
I feel bad for him. Imagine going through life with that head of his!
@@nathanielthomson3455 He is an idiot. He cannot understand that his beliefs are based upon nothing. He doesn't understand what proof is. He doesn't how the hosts points destroy his arguments. He obviously cannot conceive of a person who does not believe.
"Where did you put your Jesus?" I love it.
_"You're using all these analogies on me so that you can sound right"._
Damn, Eric, I think he's got your number, man. You really need to stop sounding right, dude.
Was anyone else reminded of the "Who's on first?" type of comedy bit (made famous by Abbott & Costello) after this one? Yeesh.
If words could translate into physical action Alex would make a world champion gymnast. For me it's extremely sad to hear someone so screwed up.
A champion gymnast? More like a drunk wandering drifter. They do have in common that they are all over the place, indeed.
Dave Langers . I often ponder why these people are so screwed up. My only conclusion relates to how we know of people who were brought up as children by monkeys or wild animals. They take on all the characteristics of the animals. So the incredible effect of childhood religious brainwashing can be the only reason we have people like Alex. Totally devoid of any normal senses, logic or reasoning.
@@rickydarcilover5581 in the US, approximately 65% are christian of some sort, 10% other mixed religions.
This isn’t just “these people”. It’s both your neighbors, your boss, the bus driver, the construction guy, the nail salon chick, the restaurant hostess, the mail carrier… it’s nearly everyone you come across on the daily.
Of course, those numbers are declining, but not very rapidly (in the big picture). But I’ll add… these last couple of years have contributed to people leaving religion behind. It is truly showing it’s whole ass.
Omg what does this person do for a living? I’m scared to go near anything he’s responsible for... if some manic gave him any responsibility in the first place.
Keep in mind that alot of people compartmentalize these ideas so they dont really affect others in drastic ways. Ex: Ben Carson is a surgeon who also believes the earth is 6000 years old. Sometimes yeah it does effect everything else, but not normally.
ALovelyTsundere but at the same time you have to remember that it does affect a lot of people too lol. Specially when people like this aren’t use to thinking for themselves they’ll repeat anything they’ve heard whether or not they understand where it’s coming from
ALovelyTsundere for sure, I was being a bit facetious. They would have to compartmentalize just to operate in the real world.
Probably collects unemployment...
Met a guy once in a bar who was upset I was dating his mom....?!?!?!? Tells me he's a smart guy because he collected the highest level of unemployment! Then he wanted to fight me to stop me seeing his mom... I told him to come back at last call and brings his friends because I wasn't going to waste a good buzz beating up just one idiot... Oddly they must have had something more pressing to do ....
Chimera Obscura lol okay? Imverybadass and nooneasked (and maybe ihavesex) reddit material right there
I want to assure everyone reading here that there actually ARE intelligent, rational, reasonable and sane people in Kentucky. I know this because I have been there and met both of them.
😂
Lol
Karl Schneider . You left one out, Ken Ham
I mean yeah there are everywhere, just the ratios are different lol
It's not funny when you think of how poor the educational system is in America as a whole.... The rest of the world doesn't really need a call/talk forum such a this as we are taught critical thinking at school
"the ev-i-dence of the holy spirit..." best laugh i've had all day :)
🤣🤣🤣🤣Love Alex, please get him back, never laughed as much for a long time.
Dude barely understands words coming out of his own mouth, let alone any that are spoken to him.
Cheers for Eric trying to break it down to him, but seems futile, he has trouble comprehending even basic concepts.
Lol “we’re just thinking about them a little more, maybe” I think you mean, AT ALL, Eric
Yeah, kudos to him for bringing out a bit of his Dillahunty side on this entitled prick.
Even with this caller’s apparent lack of reasoning & communication skills, he still managed to be extremely funny! Good job all!
With the key example from this caller at least I'd be sure I originally had the keys in the first place before losing them but he wants us to search for a god that's never revealed his existence.
I think Alex is one of those people you just can’t help. Hilarious content tho.
Kentucky
@@powbobs Fried Chicken
I love how they start out so hopeful 🥴
How do yo guys keep "talking" to somebody who is obviously not listening? I commend your patience, but man it makes for an infuriating listen not being able to tell the caller to shut the hell up and listen, hahaha.
You guys have way too much patience, but good job keeping your cool for so long.
I cringe thinking what would have happened had Alex called a foul-mood Matt Dillahunty.
@@casparuskruger4807 With no problem telling people to shut up whatsoever, it'd be a much shorter call for sure. I'd predict it would go on about 8 min. AT BEST.
Because, even if it's not the caller, it can reach to another person
@@casparuskruger4807 Well, fuck you then.The pitfall of this show is they dont shut down the stupid callers sooner and force them to use a better argument. If thats being "cringe", then perhaps reality is not for you....
The ignorant babbling of someone who only waits for their turn to speak their own mind instead of listening and conversing is actually a usefull tactic for deconversion, the more the fools babble incoherently particularly over the hosts, the more chance that theists listening realize he is kind of a nut talking out of his ass and might make them question their own beliefs more, I do believe thats something Matt or Russel pointed out really early on in the Atheist Experience
Man Matt wouldve handled this toddler well
Matt: shut up Jack ass, now answer the question...
Also Matt: good bye Jack ass.
Click.
And in about a quarter of the time.
Good comment other than that insult
Matt would have hung up on him.
“Where did I put the face of God?!” I might put that on a coffee mug, it’s too rich
OH MY GOSH!!! best episode ever
3:08 "I examined and God is real..." Maybe Alex should have just opened with that bombshell since he has so much confidence in its plausibility.
"Sight is what makes the world go around" Good way to put down blind people dude.
Oh you just made me spit my coffee out.
This went so badly I'm not even sure if Alex is for real.
Alex is where I was 40 years ago. It just makes me want to cry.😥
Oh, I love you people. Eric and V
I have a Ferrari key chain this must be evidence for my imaginary Ferrari.
Alex, look you’re now part of a historic documented and published body of evidence that suggests significantly more probability you are in fact real. This would be proof you exist beyond what the Bible claims to have existed or exists. Neat huh? I hope you can untangle the mess you’ve been fooled into relying on and join us all in reality.
Another one bites the dust!!!
No one 'lost' god , they just found out there was no reason to believe he existed so they left it behind , why burden ones self with dead weight .
Hi! May I ask how many people in your area are religeous?
@@patriceriksson7924 Most claim to be but only about half actually practice it.
Crawling on the planet’s face. Some insects call the human race. Lost in time, lost in space and meaning.
Are they using VOIP phones? Would old fangled ones help with the cutting out issue?
The US education system has completely failed its citizens to reason, critically think, and form a logical argument 😢
So true! If children learned how to think critically in school, so many more people could avoid the delusion of religion.
Lotta patience with Alex on the part of the Heathens.
Here in West Virginia where I live if you have a conversation with someone about God, there's about a 70% chance it's going to go exactly like this call....
Alex: "You're not understanding what I'm saying..."
Well I'm sure there's a good reason for that... maybe because it makes no sense?
Pet Jesus’ should be microchipped and have a magnet on them.
First - using his lost mug analogy - I didnt lose my mug. Someone gave me a mug and when I tried it out it was full of holes and cracks so I threw it in the trash can.
Wow, that was painful... 😫
Could I lose a unicorn then retrace my footsteps and find my missing unicorn?
I wonder if I could retrace my steps and find the virginity I lost to a girl who was 5 lbs crazy in a 3 lb bag.
@@AC-gb7do ha! Funny you should mention that. Mine was too - as fruity as a Christmas pudding!
Blargleman The Skeptic Ever find yourself thinking “maybe a little crazy is ok” then reality sets in?
Only if the Unicorn farts.
@@AC-gb7do yeah, she was pretty 🔥, I was pretty 🍆... If ya catch my drift.
"We practiced..." haha. Best line.
Alex has been sipping his daddy's Jesus Juice: YAHOO MOUNTAIN DEW!
Damn it, Alex! You need to *LISTEN* or else it's not a conversation.
I'm Darryl this is my brother Darryl....I remember him from Newhart.
I read a book...and this guy said here comes Johnny...I now refer to every male as Johnny?!?!
His evidence of God is speaking in tongues? I’m lost for words on this one.
Embarrassing, hopelessly irrational thinking like this is one of the very important reasons we need to eradicate ancient superstitions.
OT - I saw the title "Alex - KY" and thought he would be a slippery customer.
That poor kid was just so upset that he wasn’t allowed to interrupt and talk over the hosts. You could tell his entire argument hinged on asking self defeating questions and interrupting half way through the answer in order to later assert you didn’t answer the question.
These kind of interactions are only beneficial to the listeners, because the dude on the phone is not going to go back and listen to the call. He has his made up version of the call he created in his head while not listening to you.
You Jedi mind-tricked him, Eric. You're a Force to be reckoned with, man.
Except asking someone to think critically and logically isn’t a trick. The caller was the one trying tricks. I mean, they utterly failed, but still.
I wish Christians would actually study their scripture and how it was gathered.
When he mentioned speaking in tongues, from Mark was a later addition. It is not in the best earliest complete bibles.
He is just another pre-sup that just just has an agenda that he clearly does not understand
And he is using a circular argument. Again using the Bible is not a reliable. And we do not have to disprove his claim. He does not have a clue about logic
Paul is earlier than Mark, and mentions speaking in tongues. Doesn't make it evidence, though...
I thought it was Pre-set positionalist
Alex, thank you for your utter nonsense.
This call didn't need to last more than 2 minutes.
KENTUCKY, nuf said.
I genuinely can't believe they took this dude's question seriously
He sounded like he was on drugs at some points
I’ve always wanted a Fuhrahree.
This was so infuriating to watch. Then again, poor Alex isn't very bright.
It's a big worry that Alex is allowed to vote.
Ahh man...Alex, my guy...you need to go back to school man. Genuinely.
If I never had Lolo Ferari, can I retracy my steps and find her?
If god is more real than a coffee cup, then pour some coffee into him. When you burn yourself with the coffee it will be a revelation😇
Bigfoot plays poker with the greys at Area 51.
No, they play in the unicorn pasture at loch ness.
As soon as I saw the Kentucky connection......home of the Ark Experience and Creation Museum, wouldn't expect anything less than strong religious delusion and indoctrination.
Like trying to explain a toddler what it is like to work in an office ...
😬😩😧
I left my fairy godmother in the tree at the bottom of my garden.
Now I can't find her.
What can I do ?
god damn
Alex sounds like he was trying to convince himself that his beliefs were real and got mad when he didnt get confirmation
Guys can we please have a serious debate here : What color is a unicorns tongue? Anyone? Is it true that unicorns can teleport? This would account why we don't see them, as soon as we are about to look at them "poof" they off again. Which can run faster a green unicorn or a blue unicorn? Surly these must be very important questions for Christians.
Alex is either an atheist now or believes in god and Bigfoot.
I always wondered what happened to Mr Gump
More real than a coffee mug? Wtf
Yeah, not the sharpest knife in the drawer
@@sumo1203 Even if that drawer had nothing but plastic straws in it.
It's sad what religion and having to stick to it does to people.
This caller is why I keep a wood chipper in the backyard.
Kentucky explains a lot.
Alex - Listen or your tongue will make you deaf.
"the evidence of speaking in tongues" LOL
kentucky - #10 on the most religious list
Oh poor Alex. I'm worried about his safety. Listening to how his befuddled mind works reminds me of people who fall into open man hole covers or walks into oncoming traffic. Seriously, someone should check in on him to make sure he hasn't walked off a cliff because he was looking at a bird.
Alex is in search of a 5 second bumper sticker answer instead of engaging in a conversation. And when he doesn’t get an answer that fits his narrative, he flees to “Muh book ain’t never been prove wrong.”
Alex-KY...tells me all I need to know.
Should someone tell him how the court system works?😅
11:26 did he just say "No im thinking! barely...
at first he says that God is "THE most tangible thing, way more real than anything else" and then says "Nobody has ever seen him" ..... the shit I took this morning is more tangible than that.
If there were indeed a god ... wouldn’t he have better spokespeople?
Religious people do not ever understand analogies or how they work. I love my stepmom, but I tried to have a conversation about her omnigod and how omniscience and free will cant coexist and she just couldnt grasp what i was saying
Robert Ingersoll 'proved the bible wrong using only the bible' 150 years ago.
This guy should go read Ingersoll's "Some Mistakes of Moses".
Alex will now explain why channels like Viced Rhino and Arun Ra win hands down with creationists.
I can call my cell phone by calling my phone with the land line. Can I find god by calling him? What number is that?
Eric is a like a fkin parent bro. Trying real hard to discuss with this dude. Like babysitting an angsty teen
"YOU CAN NOT LISTEN WITH YOUR MOUTH OPEN!" Ugh, props for him dealing with this shit on a weekly basis.
The "speaking of tongue" is not an evidence of a holy spirit. It is, however an evidence that, that person has a tongue and that he can apparently speak in languages unknown to him...
I truly feel sorry for people like Alex. The system has totally failed him in many, many ways :(
On a different note, Eric, instead of using Bigfoot as an analogy for his God argument, perhaps try using one of the many other "Gods" that are written about in other ancient texts that he doesn't believe in, it would be a much more apt and concise analogy that would better highlight the problems with his reasoning, although I'm not too sure it would actually make a difference with Alex, but it may make a difference with other people who are using similar faulty reasoning to draw similar conclusions.
OK, so I was on board until Alex said, "You must believe in a thing until you prove it wrong". I'm out with about half of the video to play. My guess is he will completely ignore examples of why this is a ridiculous argument. Prove me wrong.
@Edmund Spenser a fantastic clarifying point! Well said, sir.
No you are right, he pretty much ignores it all
“The eva-dense!”
Alex's attempt at evangelizing reminds me of the expression, "everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face".
Wow. This one was a good one! Too bad that so many people in today's 'Murica' still hold beliefs and garbage rationales like this caller however lol 😆