@@LMB222 The thing was, that because it was SF and the Irish government tell them this, their hate would not let them see the truth. In fact I wonder did SF support remain so that they knew this would make the DUP supporter Brexit. So it was a win win. If Remain won SF could say we did what was right for NI, and you know what loose did.
@@patrickokeeffe539 I think SF just wanted the maintenance of the Good Friday Agreement? This whole Brexit thing frankly is way beyond anyone's dreams. Honestly I never believed it would be good for the UK but it's been signifcantly worse than I imagined. Brexiteers thought they'd become the 51st US state but ended up becoming the 17th overseas territory.
Exactly, DUP had no democratic mandate on Brexit or the peace agreement, the arrogance and stupidity of the DUP who believed that the EU should negotiate and agree with the DUP demands on Brexit, why has the BBC given the snake-oil creep Gove this opportunity on TV? it is unacceptable and unjustifiable
@@georgecrothers5618 Gfa needs scraping, not worth the paper it printed on ,Republican footprint for a United Ireland which won't happen in my lifetime, or if it will be a bloody 1.
1. it was a UK-wide vote 2. The GFA they had cold feet because it involved letting out murderers from prisons but I will agree they do have a habit of kicking the can down the road unionism deserves better.
Re-establishing a hard border in Ireland was the entire and sole point of the DUP's support for Brexit in the first place - they had no interest in or even an understanding of all the other implications it might have for the UK as a whole (and still don't - even as many of those implications are materialising with every passing day and with devastating effect for many UK citizens, business owners, students, consumers, farmers, etc etc). In fact you might say that the DUP actually holds the rest of the UK in as much contempt and disregard as the rest of the UK holds their precious statelet (making one wonder what on earth the "U" in "UK" actually stands for anymore)! Proof of this, if proof be needed, is that there are two things you will never hear a DUP person ever voluntarily mention when they talk about Brexit - the fact the the NI Protocol is materially contributing to the economic welfare of their own constituents and, of course, that the Good Friday Agreement exists, both of which are real world entities contributing to their own loss of relevance, loss of purpose, and ultimately these days their loss of all contact with reality itself. It couldn't have happened to nicer people. Karma, and all that.
I am not sure that these clowns know how much askance the EU would look at attempts to destabilize a member state and get riots to take place. Last time the french on their own took 4 days to get the Brits to heel. I wonder how long it would take if the whole EU decided that getting a bit nasty to the UK is the appropriate course of action. I'd really would like to know...
The fact is no-one wants them. The Scottish are terrified that a reunited Ireland would lead to a tidal wave of bigotry landing on their shores, and if they land in England? Put it like this, the lotto lout Michael Carroll was one of the community from hell, so imagine a couple of hundred thousand lotto louts.
The "Mistake" was that Arlene Foster didn't listen to the people of Northern Ireland. Remember too, the electorate were told that Brexit did not entail leaving the Single Market. Neither Gove nor Foster ever mentioned these facts.
Where did you get that nonsense from? Half the point of leaving the EU was to get out of the single market and, ultimately, stop paying contributions for the privilege. Whoever produces this vid needs some serious counselling. There's one of these every couple of days
@@superted6960 That comes from the way Northern Ireland voted on Brexit. You might think that is nonsense but the people of Northern Ireland know how they voted. Leaving the Single Market, ( The very same Single Market that Margret Tatcher worked hard to create ) was not even half the point of Brexit. The best way for you to check that out is for you to read, watch and listen to what Brexiteers were saying before the referendum. Remember all the talk from Brexiteers about Norway and Switzerland?
Foster's DUP held the May Tory govt to ransom, they embarrassed her in Brussels, Paisley said on TV she (May) would do as she was told and they scuppered May's deal in order to try and turn the clock back 100 years but of course they failed and their legacy is exactly what pertains today, a border in the Irish sea, NI still part of the EU and despite this leading to a better economic result for NI that the rest of the UK they're still crying foul. Tells you whose side they are on and its not the interests of the people who vote for them.
Actually Northern Ireland is not a part of the EU. They are only attached for trade purposes. If they want to return to the EU all they would have to do is reunite with the rest of the island of Ireland.
@@gerardflynn7382 having an Irish passport is also a great benefit to all the people of Ireland... including some of the true blue sons and daughters of Ulster( just about 2 counties) so not even Ulster really.
Poor old Arlene. Just doesn't understand that Tories will always lie to you. The border in Ireland has gone, and it's not coming back. When the DUP campaigned for Brexit the were campaigning for a border. And that's exactly what they got. It was never going to be in Ireland, it was always going to ɓe in the Irish Sea.
Arlene needs to learn a few facts: - the Tories don't care about NI. - there is no way in Hell will any UK government break the Good Friday Agreement. - and the Earth is not flat.
why are these people still getting air time? trying to rewrite history and cover up the mistakes they made.....proper brexit behavior blame everyone else!!!!!
Speaking as a man from Belfast who voted for the GFA, the only good thing I can see happening these days is that both the people of Britain and the south are now being fully exposed to the bigotry that is Ulster unionism. Something we've had to deal with alone for far too long.
Arlene would do well to recognise that life in Ireland didn’t start with the plantation of Ulster. Michael would do well to look in a mirror and reflect on the economic and political damage that Brexit has caused. A Brexit which he promoted with disingenuous lies.
What a clown Foster is , she was the leader of the DUP when they wined and dined Johnson at the DUP conference when he promised there would be no border in the Irish Sea.
Anyone who is not familiar with Irish politics. This is the level of intelligence that you will find in the dup. Little Sammy wilson, big gregory campbell , The squirt jeffrey donaldson , The list goes on, and that yoke foster ,was their leader,,say no more.
@@lazslostpierre9951good and welcome,a lot of our neighbours in our valley are protestant, when we were growing up we all worked through other and their was never any of that old nonsense
On behalf of Ireland. No thank you. You think for one second we want to have to put up with the likes of the DUP & TUV? The UK created the environment for those clowns to exist, you deal with them.
There should have never been a border in Ireland in 1922, we all know it was put there to keep a certain group of people in power in the North east of Ireland, well times have changed now - good 👍
Might I suggest you purchase a copy of James O'Brien's 'How they Broke Britain' book - not because it is directly relevant to this current topic but, the author does go into some detail about how the Right Wing Media in the UK targeted the BBC over the last 15 years. A combination of 'fear mongering', 'anti-left political hysteria newspaper articles' (Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Telegraph, Spectator, etc) and, the appointments of carefully vetted pro-Brexit talking heads in to the BBC itself (Executives, Show Hosts, Reporters) have resulted in the neutering of what the Conservatives considered the 'Liberal mind frame' of the Beeb.
Arlene forgets the UK only got a TCA through agreeing the border arrangements in Ireland, despite hoping to breach it " in limited and specific ways ".
It cost an awful lot more than 3000, many people died of wounds years later and suicides and premature deaths through ill treatment were never counted.
So much for BBC impartiality! They allowed these two villains to sit there online and stir their cauldron of deception vigorously with absolutely no balancing input whatsoever. What's the difference between this and GB 'News'?
Get James O'Brien's (LBC Radio Host) latest book and read the chapter on Andrew Neil. It helps explain what the Tories and their Right Wing Media Chums had/have in mind for the BBC.
Ash for cash Arlene Foster is not known for her grasp on reality nor sense. Yet another failed politician. Watching these pair is like watching a very bad Twilight Zone episode.
Liz, Arlene is an extremely dishonest person. When she says there was always a border in Ireland she fails to mention it was most undemocratically imposed on the Irish nation only 100 years ago under a threat of violence when the very old country was brutally partitioned at the behest of a minority, Arlene’s antecedents. Like a lot of Brexiters she creates her own personal reality.
How much has the BBC paid him to appear on the radio? I can't wait till his series is over and I hope we don't hear him again on R4 for a long time. Seems he's trailed every hour. Wish there was warning so I could turn over quicker before hearing his slime. What did he do in government except divide the country like few before him.
“…gove is doing a series on bbc r4 on political integrity…”? There’s a saying that “Poor people talk about money in the same way virgins talk about sex; with great enthusiasm and complete ignorance!” If the cap fits, etc…
Conservative counties will certainly be in favour of rehoming any NI citizens that wish to move in order to remain UK citizens within their county borders, won't they?
@@RebelofIreland Ireland was split on a county basis to provide an artificial majority for British nationalists over a 100 years ago.Some counties may want to use their democratic mandate to join the republic. They should be given it. As a taxpayer I have no issue with a reduced subsidy. It will improve their economic health also.
@@Eddie36144at the time of partition both fermanagh and Tyrone had Irish nationalist majorities. David Lloyd George refused to allow them to be part of the Irish free state because the north would not be economically viable.
They, the English, need to give up their last colony. They will have to give up Gibraltar and they will give up Northern Ireland. Just takes time and less religious stubbornness.
I suspect that the UK would love to dump Northern Ireland, it's a section of the people of NI (and I don't know the proportions) who are desperate to stay in the UK.
@@MrBillgilesit's the dwindling number of the descendants of the 17th century colonialists from England and Scotland who dread losing their imagined superiority over the growing native Irish population.
Funny when she says "there has always been a boarder between the Republic and Northern Ireland " that's some statement as Northern Ireland has only been in existence for just over 100 years....... selective unionist memories 😂😂😂
Well it happens to be a fact and 100 years is quite a long time when you look at the complete reshaping of Europe several times during that period - Nazi conquest - Soviet counter-conquest - the fall of the Soviet Union, the break up of Yugoslavia , Franco German Relations , the EU etc etc . But Brexit is about the law of unintended consequences. Yet the basic demographics remain the same - you have 1 million Protestant Unionists who wish to be part of the UK - you also have the growth of the moderate Alliance party - which if it were to come off the fence and be pro United Ireland would lose a huge part of its support. But importantly what the IRA thought was its success is actually its greatest failing. Driving out Protestant Unionists by violence from the border counties has created the East of NI as a permanent and defensible super-Unionist bloc. Driving Unionists Eastwards has created a super majority elsewhere on the Island. Furthermore, the GFA has been broken so many times by Republicans that it’s been tarnished with Unionists ( IRA bank robberies in the Republic and NI, murder of Police North and South, Gun running from Florida, spying at Stormont etc etc ). Sinn Fein believing they could have lavishly large funerals during CoVid when little old ladies were sitting on their own at their husband’s funerals. Sinn Fein now look like they are coming for the Republic’s democracy. Oh and on the comment “there always having been a border” - there is very considerable evidence that Ulster - cut off from the rest of the Island by natural borders like forests - it was always “ a place apart”.
A while back the DUP under Donaldson arranged to have a parade to protest aspects of the way the border policy in regards to NI was being implemented and the parade was organized by the two main Protestant terrorist groups in NI to my mind this tells you all you need to know about what the DUP is all about. They campaigned against the GFA and are all for scrapping it and trying to reverse matters to a time in NI of about 50 years ago but that will not happen because there is now a Nationalist majority in NI that is going to increase greatly over the next decade. The DUP is a fading star that can't disappear from Northern Ireland's political scene quick enough.
Remember when she was leader of the DUP and Dee stitt of the UDA was giving her advice, so absolutely the DUP are in bed with loyalist paramilitaries, yet all you ever hear from them is SF / IRA .
@@rapier1954 DUP want to keep NI in the dark ages. They always were and still are trouble makers. Peace in NI is too high a price for those idiots to accept.
The DUP made a strategic error by supporting Brexit. This was further compounded by believing what Boris Johnson said. Weren't they aware of his reputation?
Didn't Field Commander Gove write an article in the torygraph opposing the GFA? He wanted to send the SAS into Ireland to finish off the IRA. These clowns are hilarious
Nothing about him and your SAS murderers is anywhere near funny - lets not forget a formerTory minister just admited they are ordered to kill instead of capture, a behaviour that will have to be answered when ever any english soldier dares to appear in the EU in the future. Its the same killer squad Johnson wanted to send to the netherlands. Time to close all borders except the one protected by the GFA
@@Ooze-cl5tx They are hilarious because the notion that the IRA has a finite number of members is in itself clueless. The biggest recruitment event for the IRA in the Troubles was the British army murdering peaceful protest marchers in Derry. Plus the idea of Gove thinking it OK to send undercover hostile military into a neighbouring sovereign country,. They have never learned a thing. Everything the two of them say in the video is clueless; simple solutions to complex problems created by the English. The border in the first place was a simple solution. It turned out not to be. The question staring them in the face is, on what planet would it make sense to maintain a colonialist imposed division in an island the size of Ireland, the only justification for which no longer exists. I'm sticking with hilarious.
Liz, you have your finger on the pulse. These people purposely forget the effort that was required to bring about the Good Friday Agreement, and how it transformed Northern Ireland.
Arlene is likening a border in Ireland with continental borders. There has not always been a border in Ireland; there has only been one for a mere 103 years. In fact, the Act of Union had been in place longer than we've had a border.
The Irish PM and every expert, told the DUP that Brexit could cause exactly what happened, hence why did she think something different would happen???? The GFA guarantees no border on the island of Ireland. Both parties in the USA supported the GFA, in fact when the Irish PM went and spoke about the GFA in the US he got a standing applause from both parties. So DUP did not understand Brexit.
To be fair, nobody understood Brexit. How could they? There was no planning, no strategic analysis, no proper preparation at all, except for a massive campaign of misinformation and disinformation. Voters only had a vague idea about what they were voting for, mainly because the tories and their supporters didn't know what they were trying to sell.
You’d think that, but no she isn’t. The DUP saw Brixit as an opportunity to overturn the entire Good Friday Agreement(GFA) and the peace process. Their ultimate fantasy or wet dream was that Brixit would mean a return to the 1950s, and a very hard Border on the island of Ireland.
@@domenicocamplisson8738 Ah Yes! Denigrating and insulting Unionists by labelling them as fantasists! I wonder what it is that discourages them from wanting to join this ( “fantasist” ) “ United Ireland” when their prospective fellow citizens treat their views with such “ respect”!
@@PaulJohnston-n5w They ruled the north for 50 years and were awful. They had their chance. Now time to vanish. NOT their choice about a united Ireland. Tough cheese. They got the respect they earned = none. Even the brits think they e lunatics
The fact this podcast with Foster and Gove is taking place with no one to factually counter them, says so much about the current state of British journalism. When history is written, I’ve no doubt the brexit will be seen as the beginning of the end of Northern Ireland. Also, the dramatic diminishing of British power and influence was furthered by brexit.
Those alternative arrangements again. It was shown that they wouldn’t work. There is a border but it is an open one. The DUP had hoped that Brexit would reintroduce the need for customs posts. They failed.
The problem was the brexiteers/ unionists expected the EU to abandon Ireland and expected the Republic of Ireland govt just to do what suited them and not the citizens of the ROI. From day 1 they never even thaught of the implication of the border in Ireland.
If. Ever there is the Nearest Hint off a United Ireland. I'll leave Northern Ireland for my Ancestral home. Her ancestors are from Fermanagh. Ireland. 🇮🇪🇪🇺
🎯 maiden name Arlene Kelly, descended from soupers,(abandoned Irish catholicism for church of Ireland for a bowl of soup during the great 1840s starvation) and now dispises those who rightly or wrongly kept faith.
It’s part of an international treaty. It wasn’t “a mistake”. It was the only option under international law. It wasn’t in the gift of the U.K. to implement a hard border without breaking that treaty.
Theresa Villiers, interviewed on Sky News on behalf of Vote Leave in April 2016, promised "continued free movement of goods and people across that border" and "no need to institute border checks if there is a Brexit vote". It was ironically one of the few promises they actually kept.
I live in NI and voted in the referendum on the GFA. Perhaps they should be reminded that the result of that was 71% in favour of accepting the terms. Or course the DUP campaigned against it as they always do, the party of NO. So they saw an opportunity with Brexit to break that agreement. In essence they won that battle but subsequently lost the war.
And I, living in the Republic also voted for it. Because, although she doesn’t seem to realise it, the GFA is an international treaty lodged with the United Nations. It wasn’t in the gift of the U.K. to implement a hard border without breaking that treaty.
Funny how the British media always seek the views of Unionists on such things.... it's as if the other half of the population aren't entitled to express a view. For every Arlene Foster, Kate Hoey and Jim Alister, there's someone who holds a view that there should be no border on the island. The status quo is Good Friday Agreement compliant, and that's held the peace all these years. It's something worth defending, especially from those who refused to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement (and I'm looking at you Arlene). A brexiter would say: "this isn’t the brexit I voted for" But a remainer would say: "this is exactly the brexit I voted against!".
All the DUP can offer is a past and they are welcome to it! I was listening to an old Unionist from the border town of Belleek a few months back. For the first time ever he has had to cross the border to buy groceries. He talked about the quality of the roads, the full shelves, the new cars and the well dressed people. He stated - of course I want a slice of that for my grandchildren, they have no future in NI and ended with: the DUP FUed Unionism!
Was travelling across Co Tyrone last week as I visited Co Donegal and my god are the roads and road signs in the UK jurisdiction absolutely awful but thankfully when I reached Donegal the roads were much much better as well as signage. Such a lack of investment and lack of modern infrastructure in the non-independent region of Ireland. I am very fortunate to come from sovereign Ireland, Éire as it’s called officially.
Foster, like other fanatical partitionists cannot acknowledge the aspirations and rights of others to seek a different future. NI was, to loosely paraphrase James Craig, created as a ‘Protestant state (parliament) for a Protestant people. They had the right to maintain that status by democratic vote bolstered by the support, armed if deemed necessary, of the UK government. At that time the Gerrymandered statlet of an NI had a majority protestant/unionist population at a ratio of about 60/40. No longer …and no longer are young people as narrow-minded, bigoted or willing to sacrifice personal potential for the ancient ideals of out-of-touch politicians.
Best way to solve the “border” issue is for the island of Ireland to be one sovereign country. The British mistake of 1921, is the mistake, and can be resolved by the British government taking their loyalist back home.
I remember Gove's words very well: "The moment we decide to, we chose our own path." Well he couldn't choose his own path on the Irish border, but now he claims it was an error that they couldn't. He talks about Boris winning power in Westminster; unfortunately for him that does not equate into power to control the EU!
Foster will be forgotten when Ireland will be united her empty rhetoric on Brexit and borders will also be forgotten to put it kindly and the DUP with her!
The original mistake was the creation of an Apartheid arm of Britain across the Irish sea. Doomed to fail from day 1.. we have been witnessing 100 years of the last desperate slooowly dying gasps of English conservative/royalist racism in Ireland.
The DUP view is a minority view in Northern Ireland. It is also a minority view in Scotland. Brexit was overwhelmingly defeated in both areas. Liz Webster is to be congratulated in her desire to be bring people and countries together. All peoples are stronger and wealthier when working together.
I think that “always been there” means “ as long as ANYONE can remember” Now there may be a few people on the island that are over 102 but I think most people are covered. Plus if we want to go for a much longer period it is widely acknowledged that Ulster has always been “ a place apart” . Cut off for much of the island’s history by forests. Or we could go to the Celtic texts such as the Tain which was written down during the Middle Ages but in oral history goes much further back. With the Ulster hero Cuchullain and his Knights of the Red Branch battling Queen Maeve and her men of Ireland . And I know there are times we are talking about the Province rather than NI boundaries but my point is valid. Furthermore NI has existed longer than many present day European states. It has existed longer than the Soviet Union , Germany ( in its present form) , the present Balkans and Baltics and many more. Empires have risen and fallen and NI has been there. So before we berate people we might know our history and accept that a border of sorts - geographic or otherwise has probably “ always been there” . And even if we are only talking about the present, imaginary in physical terms, border then over 100 years is quite a lot. And the Province has been separate in some way for a very very long time.
The DUP by supporting Brexit did more for an united Ireland than anyone else in the last 100 years.
Shall we put the description of this under "irony" in dictionaries? 😜
@@LMB222 The thing was, that because it was SF and the Irish government tell them this, their hate would not let them see the truth. In fact I wonder did SF support remain so that they knew this would make the DUP supporter Brexit. So it was a win win. If Remain won SF could say we did what was right for NI, and you know what loose did.
@@patrickokeeffe539 I think SF just wanted the maintenance of the Good Friday Agreement? This whole Brexit thing frankly is way beyond anyone's dreams. Honestly I never believed it would be good for the UK but it's been signifcantly worse than I imagined. Brexiteers thought they'd become the 51st US state but ended up becoming the 17th overseas territory.
Oh you just have to love them. Between herself and Sammy Wilson they do more for a United Ireland than anyone South of the border ever could .
@@patrickokeeffe539what a load off shite
"I'd acquired a reputation for being a troublemaker." No, Gove, you'd acquired a reputation for being an arsehole which has now been born out .
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You're spot on! 😂
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These two make me puke 🤮
The majority in N. Ireland voted for remaining in the EU, AND to accept the Good Friday Agreement into law. The DUP voted against in both instances.
Says it all
Exactly, DUP had no democratic mandate on Brexit or the peace agreement, the arrogance and stupidity of the DUP who believed that the EU should negotiate and agree with the DUP demands on Brexit, why has the BBC given the snake-oil creep Gove this opportunity on TV? it is unacceptable and unjustifiable
...er.....the increasingly irrelevant and out of touch DUP do you mean.....?
@@georgecrothers5618 Gfa needs scraping, not worth the paper it printed on ,Republican footprint for a United Ireland which won't happen in my lifetime, or if it will be a bloody 1.
1. it was a UK-wide vote 2. The GFA they had cold feet because it involved letting out murderers from prisons but I will agree they do have a habit of kicking the can down the road unionism deserves better.
Dumb and Dumber - Gove and Foster
what a pair ... Common sence is not as common as we thought
Awful individuals
For sure, there where good lies! Those
two should be in jail for all lies. Foster is one hateful person!
time Scotland took Gove back.
@@moon_knight8578Poor Scotland! What have they done to deserve this? 😂
Re-establishing a hard border in Ireland was the entire and sole point of the DUP's support for Brexit in the first place - they had no interest in or even an understanding of all the other implications it might have for the UK as a whole (and still don't - even as many of those implications are materialising with every passing day and with devastating effect for many UK citizens, business owners, students, consumers, farmers, etc etc). In fact you might say that the DUP actually holds the rest of the UK in as much contempt and disregard as the rest of the UK holds their precious statelet (making one wonder what on earth the "U" in "UK" actually stands for anymore)!
Proof of this, if proof be needed, is that there are two things you will never hear a DUP person ever voluntarily mention when they talk about Brexit - the fact the the NI Protocol is materially contributing to the economic welfare of their own constituents and, of course, that the Good Friday Agreement exists, both of which are real world entities contributing to their own loss of relevance, loss of purpose, and ultimately these days their loss of all contact with reality itself.
It couldn't have happened to nicer people. Karma, and all that.
I am not sure that these clowns know how much askance the EU would look at attempts to destabilize a member state and get riots to take place.
Last time the french on their own took 4 days to get the Brits to heel.
I wonder how long it would take if the whole EU decided that getting a bit nasty to the UK is the appropriate course of action.
I'd really would like to know...
Absolutely so. For them the precious union comes first and last. Literally nothing else matters to them.
The fact is no-one wants them. The Scottish are terrified that a reunited Ireland would lead to a tidal wave of bigotry landing on their shores, and if they land in England? Put it like this, the lotto lout Michael Carroll was one of the community from hell, so imagine a couple of hundred thousand lotto louts.
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Excellent analysis of the situation…..
The "Mistake" was that Arlene Foster didn't listen to the people of Northern Ireland.
Remember too, the electorate were told that Brexit did not entail leaving the Single Market.
Neither Gove nor Foster ever mentioned these facts.
Or Farage and the far right
Where did you get that nonsense from? Half the point of leaving the EU was to get out of the single market and, ultimately, stop paying contributions for the privilege.
Whoever produces this vid needs some serious counselling. There's one of these every couple of days
@@superted6960 That comes from the way Northern Ireland voted on Brexit.
You might think that is nonsense but the people of Northern Ireland know how they voted.
Leaving the Single Market, ( The very same Single Market that Margret Tatcher worked hard to create ) was not even half the point of Brexit.
The best way for you to check that out is for you to read, watch and listen to what Brexiteers were saying before the referendum.
Remember all the talk from Brexiteers about Norway and Switzerland?
@@superted6960 Not what Hannan and Patterson said.
@@superted6960you accuse another of nonsense yet you spout it yourself....a crazy world.
Foster's DUP held the May Tory govt to ransom, they embarrassed her in Brussels, Paisley said on TV she (May) would do as she was told and they scuppered May's deal in order to try and turn the clock back 100 years but of course they failed and their legacy is exactly what pertains today, a border in the Irish sea, NI still part of the EU and despite this leading to a better economic result for NI that the rest of the UK they're still crying foul. Tells you whose side they are on and its not the interests of the people who vote for them.
Exactly
Foster and Gove. Give me strength. Nothing has been learned. Denying reality. Dangerous nonsense.
Actually Northern Ireland is not a part of the EU.
They are only attached for trade purposes.
If they want to return to the EU all they would have to do is reunite with the rest of the island of Ireland.
@@gerardflynn7382 Fwoooosh!
@@gerardflynn7382 having an Irish passport is also a great benefit to all the people of Ireland... including some of the true blue sons and daughters of Ulster( just about 2 counties) so not even Ulster really.
Poor old Arlene. Just doesn't understand that Tories will always lie to you. The border in Ireland has gone, and it's not coming back. When the DUP campaigned for Brexit the were campaigning for a border. And that's exactly what they got. It was never going to be in Ireland, it was always going to ɓe in the Irish Sea.
The EU is corrupt. It may soon have to pay 100% of Ukraines bills.
Arlene needs to learn a few facts:
- the Tories don't care about NI.
- there is no way in Hell will any UK government break the Good Friday Agreement.
- and the Earth is not flat.
And dinosaurs did exist lol
Your first fact (about the Tories) will never be acknowledged by the Unionist Political Parties despite the mountain of evidence supporting it.
why are these people still getting air time? trying to rewrite history and cover up the mistakes they made.....proper brexit behavior blame everyone else!!!!!
Agree with you 100% - they are sitting there blaming this mess on anyone else but themselves. Shouldn't be allowed.
@johnosullivan3924 Never got brexit ,what part of that do u not understand.
Speaking as a man from Belfast who voted for the GFA, the only good thing I can see happening these days is that both the people of Britain and the south are now being fully exposed to the bigotry that is Ulster unionism.
Something we've had to deal with alone for far too long.
Arlene would do well to recognise that life in Ireland didn’t start with the plantation of Ulster.
Michael would do well to look in a mirror and reflect on the economic and political damage that Brexit has caused. A Brexit which he promoted with disingenuous lies.
Over 300 border crossings in N Ireland. The border is over 500 Km long.
What was a mistake was Brexshit.
What a clown Foster is , she was the leader of the DUP when they wined and dined Johnson at the DUP conference when he promised there would be no border in the Irish Sea.
She really is quite dim. She makes decisions based on emotion and idealology and is not based on reality.
What happened to the 1 billion they got off the Conservative Party ? Definitely didn’t get that tan in Fermanagh horrible woman
@@shaneheff5244 quite? that's being polite!
Anyone who is not familiar with Irish politics.
This is the level of intelligence that you will find in the dup.
Little Sammy wilson, big gregory campbell , The squirt jeffrey donaldson , The list goes on, and that yoke foster ,was their leader,,say no more.
@@michaelboyle5805 Northern Irish politics!
Simple solution- united Ireland
We Catholics are now the majority here in the north of Ireland and SF the largest party, so I think it is only a matter of time.
@@gerald1108 Absolutely agree 👍
@@gerald1108 Quite a few Protestants will vote for it too, now that they have had their eyes opened by the Brexit madness.
@@lazslostpierre9951good and welcome,a lot of our neighbours in our valley are protestant, when we were growing up we all worked through other and their was never any of that old nonsense
On behalf of Ireland. No thank you. You think for one second we want to have to put up with the likes of the DUP & TUV? The UK created the environment for those clowns to exist, you deal with them.
There should have never been a border in Ireland in 1922, we all know it was put there to keep a certain group of people in power in the North east of Ireland, well times have changed now - good 👍
@@robertmaher377 In your dreams.
@RonaldMcminn-g7d - yes my dreams but could be your nightmares? It's going to happen one day, it's better that you get used to it sooner or later
@robertmaher377 will be ur nightmare ,if the Republic of orland gets what northern-ireland got for over 30 years.
@RonaldMcminn-g7d not really, just consult any demographic of NI and you will see the eventual outcome
@@robertmaher377not in your life time or anyone else's .
Two fool's talking about a mistake that they contributed to
Im astounded that the BBC allowed this balderdash to be aired unchallenged by these two idiots .
The BBC is a joke.
Might I suggest you purchase a copy of James O'Brien's 'How they Broke Britain' book - not because it is directly relevant to this current topic but, the author does go into some detail about how the Right Wing Media in the UK targeted the BBC over the last 15 years. A combination of 'fear mongering', 'anti-left political hysteria newspaper articles' (Sun, Daily Mail, Daily Express, Telegraph, Spectator, etc) and, the appointments of carefully vetted pro-Brexit talking heads in to the BBC itself (Executives, Show Hosts, Reporters) have resulted in the neutering of what the Conservatives considered the 'Liberal mind frame' of the Beeb.
The likes of Arlene Foster will never accept the majority Irish Nationalist tradition who live on the island of Ireland as equals.
Is that because her father was murdered by the IRA ??
One of her chums is douglas murray..enough said
Arlene forgets the UK only got a TCA through agreeing the border arrangements in Ireland, despite hoping to breach it " in limited and specific ways ".
Brexit disaster
The establishment of a border on the island of Ireland in the first place was a great mistake, Arlene. It's cost over 3,000 lives.
It cost an awful lot more than 3000, many people died of wounds years later and suicides and premature deaths through ill treatment were never counted.
@stephendoherty981 The south harboured ira terrorists, and didn't let the british army pursue and capture.
@@stephendoherty981 looks like you've got a DUP/UVF/UDA troll on your tail Stephen, just don't respond to it, just mute it.
@liamm.1431 not to mention 5000 in the civil war and thousands in the north before 1969.
@liamm.1431 You will get answers when you come of with crap ,you would not know unless you were born in the 60s 70 growing up in Northern-ireland .
So much for BBC impartiality! They allowed these two villains to sit there online and stir their cauldron of deception vigorously with absolutely no balancing input whatsoever. What's the difference between this and GB 'News'?
Gove has even been given his own programme on Radio 4
Good point
Get James O'Brien's (LBC Radio Host) latest book and read the chapter on Andrew Neil. It helps explain what the Tories and their Right Wing Media Chums had/have in mind for the BBC.
Ash for cash Arlene Foster is not known for her grasp on reality nor sense. Yet another failed politician. Watching these pair is like watching a very bad Twilight Zone episode.
She had enough grasp on reality to make all that sweet Tory money disappear.
There should be no border as these unionist need to accept they live on the island of Ireland
Liz, Arlene is an extremely dishonest person. When she says there was always a border in Ireland she fails to mention it was most undemocratically imposed on the Irish nation only 100 years ago under a threat of violence when the very old country was brutally partitioned at the behest of a minority, Arlene’s antecedents. Like a lot of Brexiters she creates her own personal reality.
Can you believe gove is doing a series on bbc r4 on political integrity ffs
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Must be a great white powder.
How much has the BBC paid him to appear on the radio? I can't wait till his series is over and I hope we don't hear him again on R4 for a long time. Seems he's trailed every hour. Wish there was warning so I could turn over quicker before hearing his slime. What did he do in government except divide the country like few before him.
😃😃😃😃😃 and to think Britain was once a serious country.
“…gove is doing a series on bbc r4 on political integrity…”?
There’s a saying that “Poor people talk about money in the same way virgins talk about sex; with great enthusiasm and complete ignorance!”
If the cap fits, etc…
The truth is that May (no matter how annoying), understood the NI/Brexit situation much better than these 2 doughnuts.
It is time for a border poll. The sooner Northern Ireland is no more the better.
Conservative counties will certainly be in favour of rehoming any NI citizens that wish to move in order to remain UK citizens within their county borders, won't they?
It should be a referendum by county. Any county that wishes to leave should be allowed to do so.
@@Eddie36144 Why should it? Was the GFA by county basis? Was the Anglo Irish treaty by county basis? Nope.
@@RebelofIreland Ireland was split on a county basis to provide an artificial majority for British nationalists over a 100 years ago.Some counties may want to use their democratic mandate to join the republic. They should be given it. As a taxpayer I have no issue with a reduced subsidy. It will improve their economic health also.
@@Eddie36144at the time of partition both fermanagh and Tyrone had Irish nationalist majorities. David Lloyd George refused to allow them to be part of the Irish free state because the north would not be economically viable.
They, the English, need to give up their last colony. They will have to give up Gibraltar and they will give up Northern Ireland. Just takes time and less religious stubbornness.
I suspect that the UK would love to dump Northern Ireland, it's a section of the people of NI (and I don't know the proportions) who are desperate to stay in the UK.
@@MrBillgilesit's the dwindling number of the descendants of the 17th century colonialists from England and Scotland who dread losing their imagined superiority over the growing native Irish population.
@@MrBillgiles It had a lot of public support by ordinary English Leave voters who were desperate for Brexit to go ahead and bear fruitful benefits...
If I remember correctly the dup complained bitterly when the customs union was established which dispensed with the hard border at Killeen.
@@MrBillgilesIt's the DUP and the Unionists only.
We didnt always have a border in Ireland! The island was devided in 1921!
There you have it: the arrogance of ignorance personified in Arlene Foster
DUP stands for Don’t Understand Politics.
Arlene Foster is an embarrassment
Eh Arlene Foster?
I thought it was Harry Maguire.
@@Buckets1000 😂 Yes I can see that too.
Funny when she says "there has always been a boarder between the Republic and Northern Ireland " that's some statement as Northern Ireland has only been in existence for just over 100 years....... selective unionist memories 😂😂😂
Well it happens to be a fact and 100 years is quite a long time when you look at the complete reshaping of Europe several times during that period - Nazi conquest - Soviet counter-conquest - the fall of the Soviet Union, the break up of Yugoslavia , Franco German Relations , the EU etc etc . But Brexit is about the law of unintended consequences. Yet the basic demographics remain the same - you have 1 million Protestant Unionists who wish to be part of the UK - you also have the growth of the moderate Alliance party - which if it were to come off the fence and be pro United Ireland would lose a huge part of its support. But importantly what the IRA thought was its success is actually its greatest failing. Driving out Protestant Unionists by violence from the border counties has created the East of NI as a permanent and defensible super-Unionist bloc. Driving Unionists Eastwards has created a super majority elsewhere on the Island. Furthermore, the GFA has been broken so many times by Republicans that it’s been tarnished with Unionists ( IRA bank robberies in the Republic and NI, murder of Police North and South, Gun running from Florida, spying at Stormont etc etc ). Sinn Fein believing they could have lavishly large funerals during CoVid when little old ladies were sitting on their own at their husband’s funerals. Sinn Fein now look like they are coming for the Republic’s democracy. Oh and on the comment “there always having been a border” - there is very considerable evidence that Ulster - cut off from the rest of the Island by natural borders like forests - it was always “ a place apart”.
A border that miraculously appeared to placate her community. It was a fabrication.
That is true.
Boarder ??
Back to school you .🤪
Her statement is fact !!
There has always been a border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland (UK)
@@billbo2117 The boarder created Northern Ireland. The issue is its invention in the first place.
A while back the DUP under Donaldson arranged to have a parade to protest aspects of the way the border policy in regards to NI was being implemented and the parade was organized by the two main Protestant terrorist groups in NI to my mind this tells you all you need to know about what the DUP is all about. They campaigned against the GFA and are all for scrapping it and trying to reverse matters to a time in NI of about 50 years ago but that will not happen because there is now a Nationalist majority in NI that is going to increase greatly over the next decade. The DUP is a fading star that can't disappear from Northern Ireland's political scene quick enough.
Remember when she was leader of the DUP and Dee stitt of the UDA was giving her advice, so absolutely the DUP are in bed with loyalist paramilitaries, yet all you ever hear from them is SF / IRA .
@@rapier1954 DUP want to keep NI in the dark ages. They always were and still are trouble makers. Peace in NI is too high a price for those idiots to accept.
The DUP made a strategic error by supporting Brexit. This was further compounded by believing what Boris Johnson said. Weren't they aware of his reputation?
And no shame.
Prodyland is no longer Prody. The 4th green field is coming home 🇮🇪
Arlene getting into bed with Theresa May .... Aaargh where's the mind bleach !!!!
Trump is injecting it into Hatians in case they're infected with Covid.
A massive increase from the north of Ireland for Irish passport forms 😊
Arlene has an Irish passport but hates everything Irish 😂😂😂😂😂
Didn't Field Commander Gove write an article in the torygraph opposing the GFA? He wanted to send the SAS into Ireland to finish off the IRA. These clowns are hilarious
Nothing about him and your SAS murderers is anywhere near funny - lets not forget a formerTory minister just admited they are ordered to kill instead of capture, a behaviour that will have to be answered when ever any english soldier dares to appear in the EU in the future. Its the same killer squad Johnson wanted to send to the netherlands. Time to close all borders except the one protected by the GFA
@@Ooze-cl5tx They are hilarious because the notion that the IRA has a finite number of members is in itself clueless. The biggest recruitment event for the IRA in the Troubles was the British army murdering peaceful protest marchers in Derry.
Plus the idea of Gove thinking it OK to send undercover hostile military into a neighbouring sovereign country,. They have never learned a thing.
Everything the two of them say in the video is clueless; simple solutions to complex problems created by the English. The border in the first place was a simple solution. It turned out not to be. The question staring them in the face is, on what planet would it make sense to maintain a colonialist imposed division in an island the size of Ireland, the only justification for which no longer exists. I'm sticking with hilarious.
Liz, you have your finger on the pulse. These people purposely forget the effort that was required to bring about the Good Friday Agreement, and how it transformed Northern Ireland.
What a pair. Hard to tell which is more nauseating.
Note how they were criticising May while excusing Johnson and Truss. 😂
If the DUP think for one minute that the Irish people would except a border in Ireland well she is delusional
Arlene is likening a border in Ireland with continental borders. There has not always been a border in Ireland; there has only been one for a mere 103 years.
In fact, the Act of Union had been in place longer than we've had a border.
And the reason for that border on the island of Ireland was partition.
Ah. Foster lady from the party of Dinosaurs, Unicorns and Pterodactyls - DUP.
These Brexiteer fanatics have gone round the bend for sure. Your comments are spot on, Liz. 🎉😊
The Irish PM and every expert, told the DUP that Brexit could cause exactly what happened, hence why did she think something different would happen???? The GFA guarantees no border on the island of Ireland. Both parties in the USA supported the GFA, in fact when the Irish PM went and spoke about the GFA in the US he got a standing applause from both parties. So DUP did not understand Brexit.
To be fair, nobody understood Brexit. How could they? There was no planning, no strategic analysis, no proper preparation at all, except for a massive campaign of misinformation and disinformation. Voters only had a vague idea about what they were voting for, mainly because the tories and their supporters didn't know what they were trying to sell.
Foster is a disgrace, the reason the other EU borders are easier to manage is because there weren’t decades of civil & border war in those areas…
Didn’t Britain sign the Good Friday agreement? So when England decides to leave the EU, those agreements are worth nothing?
She is from a border village herself and is well aware of the problems border controls would have caused.
You’d think that, but no she isn’t.
The DUP saw Brixit as an opportunity to overturn the entire Good Friday Agreement(GFA) and the peace process.
Their ultimate fantasy or wet dream was that Brixit would mean a return to the 1950s, and a very hard Border on the island of Ireland.
Yes but she is a unionist, therefore lives in a fantasy world
@@domenicocamplisson8738 Ah Yes! Denigrating and insulting Unionists by labelling them as fantasists! I wonder what it is that discourages them from wanting to join this ( “fantasist” ) “ United Ireland” when their prospective fellow citizens treat their views with such “ respect”!
@@PaulJohnston-n5w They ruled the north for 50 years and were awful. They had their chance. Now time to vanish. NOT their choice about a united Ireland. Tough cheese. They got the respect they earned = none. Even the brits think they
e lunatics
Delusional fools with highly selective memories, both have always been out of their depth.
The fact this podcast with Foster and Gove is taking place with no one to factually counter them, says so much about the current state of British journalism.
When history is written, I’ve no doubt the brexit will be seen as the beginning of the end of Northern Ireland. Also, the dramatic diminishing of British power and influence was furthered by brexit.
Ali G: _Is you Irish?_
Sammy Wilson: No, I'm British!
Ali G: _So is you 'ere on holiday?_
These are very sick people that don't care about what it takes to maintain the fragile peace that exists on the Island of Ireland.
Revolting people
Those alternative arrangements again. It was shown that they wouldn’t work. There is a border but it is an open one. The DUP had hoped that Brexit would reintroduce the need for customs posts. They failed.
Both are such hypocrites and charlatans it makes you sick! What a load of re-writing history rubbish!
The problem was the brexiteers/ unionists expected the EU to abandon Ireland and expected the Republic of Ireland govt just to do what suited them and not the citizens of the ROI. From day 1 they never even thaught of the implication of the border in Ireland.
If. Ever there is the Nearest Hint off a United Ireland. I'll leave Northern Ireland for my Ancestral home. Her ancestors are from Fermanagh. Ireland.
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🎯 maiden name Arlene Kelly, descended from soupers,(abandoned Irish catholicism for church of Ireland for a bowl of soup during the great 1840s starvation) and now dispises those who rightly or wrongly kept faith.
Kelly was her maiden name.
I cannot stand the sight or sound of Gove. I’ve got to think of my blood pressure!
No mention of the benefits to NI of Access to both markets?
They are the past. It is time to forget them and move on.
It’s part of an international treaty. It wasn’t “a mistake”. It was the only option under international law. It wasn’t in the gift of the U.K. to implement a hard border without breaking that treaty.
Theresa Villiers, interviewed on Sky News on behalf of Vote Leave in April 2016, promised "continued free movement of goods and people across that border" and "no need to institute border checks if there is a Brexit vote".
It was ironically one of the few promises they actually kept.
But only kept because the EU dug its heels in!
I live in NI and voted in the referendum on the GFA. Perhaps they should be reminded that the result of that was 71% in favour of accepting the terms. Or course the DUP campaigned against it as they always do, the party of NO. So they saw an opportunity with Brexit to break that agreement. In essence they won that battle but subsequently lost the war.
And I, living in the Republic also voted for it. Because, although she doesn’t seem to realise it, the GFA is an international treaty lodged with the United Nations. It wasn’t in the gift of the U.K. to implement a hard border without breaking that treaty.
@@davidabernethy5778 Needs reviewed the good Friday appeasement ,not worth tolet paper .
The combined IQ of pond life overlain with a disingenuous ignorance of reality and history. Shameful.
combined with the staggering dishonesty and mendacity that is the hallmark of these people
Funny how the British media always seek the views of Unionists on such things.... it's as if the other half of the population aren't entitled to express a view. For every Arlene Foster, Kate Hoey and Jim Alister, there's someone who holds a view that there should be no border on the island. The status quo is Good Friday Agreement compliant, and that's held the peace all these years. It's something worth defending, especially from those who refused to sign up to the Good Friday Agreement (and I'm looking at you Arlene).
A brexiter would say: "this isn’t the brexit I voted for"
But a remainer would say: "this is exactly the brexit I voted against!".
The imperialist mindset hasn't gone away. The only voice that gets listened to is the coloniser's
All the DUP can offer is a past and they are welcome to it! I was listening to an old Unionist from the border town of Belleek a few months back. For the first time ever he has had to cross the border to buy groceries. He talked about the quality of the roads, the full shelves, the new cars and the well dressed people. He stated - of course I want a slice of that for my grandchildren, they have no future in NI and ended with: the DUP FUed Unionism!
Poor DUP and Arlene thought they would break the Good Friday Agreement by Brexit default.
Hatred of Ireland living in Ireland. The Irony.
8 years, still no border and customs checks? Doesn't seem like you took back control to me. Should've stayed in the EU
Was travelling across Co Tyrone last week as I visited Co Donegal and my god are the roads and road signs in the UK jurisdiction absolutely awful but thankfully when I reached Donegal the roads were much much better as well as signage. Such a lack of investment and lack of modern infrastructure in the non-independent region of Ireland. I am very fortunate to come from sovereign Ireland, Éire as it’s called officially.
Did she get into bed with May, or just took the opportunity to shoe horn a massive amount of money out of the British tax payer?
And, do damage to NI Scotland, Wales, England.
@@marionlarkin1161 Yes
It’s like watching Laurel and Hardy in an alternative universe.
Foster, like other fanatical partitionists cannot acknowledge the aspirations and rights of others to seek a different future. NI was, to loosely paraphrase James Craig, created as a ‘Protestant state (parliament) for a Protestant people. They had the right to maintain that status by democratic vote bolstered by the support, armed if deemed necessary, of the UK government. At that time the Gerrymandered statlet of an NI had a majority protestant/unionist population at a ratio of about 60/40. No longer …and no longer are young people as narrow-minded, bigoted or willing to sacrifice personal potential for the ancient ideals of out-of-touch politicians.
How desperate was the nation's electorate to consider voting for either of these individuals.
A Brexiter lying... who would have thought?!?
I am constantly amazed at the sheer ineptitude of the DUP.
toad is a liar!!!!
Best way to solve the “border” issue is for the island of Ireland to be one sovereign country. The British mistake of 1921, is the mistake, and can be resolved by the British government taking their loyalist back home.
Is it clear to both fools they are talking about the still occupied part of Ireland?
I remember Gove's words very well: "The moment we decide to, we chose our own path."
Well he couldn't choose his own path on the Irish border, but now he claims it was an error that they couldn't. He talks about Boris winning power in Westminster; unfortunately for him that does not equate into power to control the EU!
Foster will be forgotten when Ireland will be united her empty rhetoric on Brexit and borders will also be forgotten to put it kindly and the DUP with her!
Thank you Liz, facts and common sense! Well done !
Arlene a bulldog that swallowed a wasp. 😂
Brexit or Arlene Foster(the corrupt minister responsible for heating farm sheds) raised it's ugly head again? Keep up the good work, Liz.
It's almost as if the unionists are desperate to restart the war.
Conflict is the defining basis of their "culture ".
@@paulcronin3626 You would know?
@RonaldMcminn-g7d go bang your big bad drum,the volume keeps diminishing, tick tock.
@paulcronin3626 Will still be banging it for a long time.
@@RonaldMcminn-g7d oh you integrated so well.
The original mistake was the creation of an Apartheid arm of Britain across the Irish sea. Doomed to fail from day 1.. we have been witnessing 100 years of the last desperate slooowly dying gasps of English conservative/royalist racism in Ireland.
What a reprehensible couple in a single space!
The most concerning thing is the BBC showcasing both these absolute muppets
Because peace means they have no power.
The DUP view is a minority view in Northern Ireland. It is also a minority view in Scotland. Brexit was overwhelmingly defeated in both areas. Liz Webster is to be congratulated in her desire to be bring people and countries together. All peoples are stronger and wealthier when working together.
Conservatism means never having to take responsibility
the DUP are the main force leading to a United Ireland
Uk is alone now
Arlene and Michael would have you believe that the British empire is still alive and doing well in there tiny little brains.
Great commentry, Liz, you got it. They wanted the end of the peace on Ireland & return to some past they admired.
They voted for Brexit. He helped deliver Brexit.
They're still not happy.
NI is only 100 years old. The border has not always been there.
I think that “always been there” means “ as long as ANYONE can remember” Now there may be a few people on the island that are over 102 but I think most people are covered. Plus if we want to go for a much longer period it is widely acknowledged that Ulster has always been “ a place apart” . Cut off for much of the island’s history by forests. Or we could go to the Celtic texts such as the Tain which was written down during the Middle Ages but in oral history goes much further back. With the Ulster hero Cuchullain and his Knights of the Red Branch battling Queen Maeve and her men of Ireland . And I know there are times we are talking about the Province rather than NI boundaries but my point is valid. Furthermore NI has existed longer than many present day European states. It has existed longer than the Soviet Union , Germany ( in its present form) , the present Balkans and Baltics and many more. Empires have risen and fallen and NI has been there. So before we berate people we might know our history and accept that a border of sorts - geographic or otherwise has probably “ always been there” . And even if we are only talking about the present, imaginary in physical terms, border then over 100 years is quite a lot. And the Province has been separate in some way for a very very long time.
@@PaulJohnston-n5w nonsense.