Overwatch 2 Has Serious Hero Problems... New Balance Direction?!
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Overwatch is is seriously buffing tanks to try and fix the tank problem the game faces! #overwatch #overwatch2 #Stylosa
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lol talk about timing, aaron just dropped a dev blog talking about tank balance direction overwatch.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24107495/director-s-take-talking-tanks-and-upcoming-hero-balance-changes/ check it out
They will do everything but bring back 6vs6 😂
We're more likely to get PvE back before 6v6 lmao
@@JinkaB0o
I mean.. hell.. if they would actually FINALLY fulfil their “ambitions” (probably secretly) and deliver it to us, the players then… the 6v6 5v5 debate doesn’t matter IF (a big IF) they actually bring back.. somehow, finish it and DELIVER IT to the players.
It was beyond disappointing that they didn’t do that at first although.. maybe (just maybe) they will try again and actually succeed at the second time???
Sigh.. you know what.. forget it. At this point I can’t even have hope, f Blizzard, f Bobby Kotick and that’s it.
*Pretend my comment doesn’t exist.*
Note: I will still play the game because it is still enjoyable, just not as much as Overwatch 1 and the lore of the game is just stagnating..🙁
This game feels like it has made every change possible for no one to be enjoying it. If you are a support you'll be nerfed because of the tanks even though you already get bullied by every other class in the game, if you are a tank you are just suffering because you feel like you have to do everything perfectly for your team to be able to even have a chance at winning, and if you are a dps you'll feel like honestly the most sluggish character in the game since the higher health pool makes everything way harder to kill. It's like non of these are fun, like double shield back in the day just slow and boring slugfest.
Yes. But supports were the reason Double Shield was even possible (and other 6v6 metas such as GOATS), if they AT LEAST made Baptiste’s ability Immortality Field (which is broken by concept anyway) an *ULTIMATE* ability instead of.. a secondary ability, Double Shield would have never happened, and don’t forget release Brig, oh was that (in a way) ironically even worse than Double Shield (Bap +) so no. Don’t even suggest Tanks were always the problem for both OW1 and OW2 but the *actual problem* that was in fact ALWAYS *a problem* in both games however, was the balance BETWEEN the 3 roles Tanks, DPS and Supports which is and was ALWAYS the issue in every other game that is FPS real time shooter with roles and other similar games based on roles and multiplayer team modes.
Supports do so much damage and survive well on their own. What are you smoking?!
I would take doubleshield over this shit lmao
@@stevebird838 I was making a point that no role has any fun while playing the game. And that will always be the thing about supports that makes the role less enjoyable.
@@AdhvaithSane Except that a good amount of these metas had strong variations with out these supports. You could play double shield with out Baptiste and you could on several instances play goats with out a brig. You need to look at these metas more deeply and the real reason they existed is mostly the tanks, supports just enabled them better at that job. Cycling shields just allowed you to basically block off any damage the enemies tried to deal while poking at the for free, if you use cover Ana and zen can work in that comp. Tanks were always going to be realized as the strongest characters to stack because their survivability and damage allow them to completely out compete DPS in their role, not because of brig.
THE TANK PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS ONLY FUCKING ONE. Holy FUCK, it's been a problem since legit the start and they still have no clue how to fix the role with one tank. There's point tanks and off tanks, without reworking every off tank to be a point, it's never going to fucking work. They will NEVER make OW2 6v6, because people will realise it's basically the fucking same as OW1, but we have to sell our kidney for everything. I haven't played OW2 properly since the season before Magua. Best decision and everyone should. Might make Devs realise they can't continue to do shit patches which do fuck all, but new skins which cost a ton.
ALL the shit heroes have been shit since the start. Tank role effects the design of other heroes, look at junkrat...hes for shield dmg and fat dmg against two tanks. With only one tank, the kits of most is useless as they've barely been changed because they revert it anyway.
I was I a die hard overwatch one player...I've since played just five hours and quite because of the 5v5.
@@ihavenonamek733 Literally me. The glory days of OW1 were so elite. Off tanking was so so fun and meant so much more flexibility with comps, rather than committing to a Strat, limiting the hero pool as heroes with specific tools would be useless. Peeling for backline or helping dive with a Genji Lucio, while the other POINT tank is protecting the others who can't. THAT is the magic of these types of games and that has gone completely. Like imagine dva, kiriko and tracer dive, with maugau, Ana and Widow following behind to cap. So much wasted potential lost because instead of build upon this literally GOLD MINE, they focused all the energy on figuring out how to make a fucking ton of money. Shit fucking patches and boring ass gameplay but Hey at least they got a deal with Porchse for a DVA skin, which no one asked for. I have no idea how content creators are playing this game every day without causing an intense depression. It is so obvious they want to stop or look at other games, and some have, because its they all say stuff kinda stuff along the lines of, is ow2 dead or im quitting. Literally each season launches and within literally 2mins-a week theres new UA-camr vids saying "Season X the west so far??"" Creators, friends and randoms all say, "If you think the game is shit, don't play it". The only way to get any business to give a fuck, is forget they exist. Threatening to quit just annoys everyone and Bliz don't give a fuck because you're still playing. When mates msg asking "OW2?" and the reply is "I quit fr," their response is "fair." and NEVER "why, its so fun."Rant over.
@@GeneralCba I love u for ur comment. right on brother!!!
Fuckin preach
I still think 6v6 is the answer. It feels like Tanks don't have enough to handle everything in a match. You have to think about counters, making space, not taking damage. peeling, cooldowns of (hack, anti nade, sleep). You either keep switching your tank to handle things, or take the L. It's very stressful and not very fun.
If they announced the return of 6v6 I'd give it another chance. Any other change to the heroes or gameplay is useless non-sense, as proven since OW2 released.
I still want 6v6 back
Argument will never go away, bring it back as arcade and let see what happens.
If they did that they would have to take all the effort theyve been putting into the game and focusing it on rebalancing for 6v6, which is why they're just straight up ignoring the playerbase telling them they want 6v6 back. Their egos could not handle that.
We should bring it back as qp hacked or arcade, or we could just have permanent 5v5 and 6v6 existing at the same time and people can choose which downsides they want and we’ll see which is more popular
You can tell in sty’s voice he just doesn’t have the passion for this game anymore . When someone as awesome and energetic as sty know this game isn’t fun it’s an issue
His voice is still the same lmao
This is why after 6000 hours and 1000 of those being on Ana I've just given up. They keep making free support heroes and nerfing the ones that people actually like for the sake of a single tank instead of just realizing one tank was a mistake
Ana used to be the epitome of Overwatch Design, now it’s not the same. Sucks honestly
I'm actually in the opposite position. I play Hog, and honestly I want 6v6 back so I can at least have some form of skill expression. They keep removing the things that makes making plays satisfying which is ya know, HAVING WEAKNESSES TO YOUR ABILITIES? What's the point of cool down tracking an Ana if I can vape whenever? What's the point of worrying about stuns if I can just HEAL AGAIN? Where's the skill expression? Where's the layers? Where can I apply my brain besides "use abilities at the right time."? Positioning, creative combinations with your abilities? Having a good Ana on MY team then going on a cheeky flank with her and catching another Hog lacking? You just can't be creative anymore. It's just bad game design.
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They will keep fucking up until the whole community says enough
@@eagerinspirithog 6v6 was awesome , one of the best offtanks If you weren’t running Rein Zarya
theyve tried to "fix" the tank heroes to fit 5v5 but in order to make them viable theyve made the tanks to start to feel similar and not as unique as they once were
Huh? A hero is weak? -mini useless buff unrelated to the problem / or giga buff (oh wait they to over powered?!?!) > buff their counter? Wait but there are no real counters in ow???? Dva > Brig? Reap < Monke? Hmmm is it the 5v5 game style…? Nah! HOW ABOUT WE MAKE A 20$ skin re-color…. 💀
Bro is into something 💀💀
No clue why the devs are so determined to put hanzo's power in his storm arrow ability. That is the most boring part of his kit in my opinion. I'd rather they return the one shot and replace storm arrow with another ability, or reduce the storm arrow count to maybe 2 or 3. This would make fighting him at closer range easier and make him less of a tank buster.
They might do a "rework" and Hanzo gets a Hwacha instead of a bow. They just love to sway away from the whole point of drawing a bow for each arrow...
Storm arrow wasn't the issue before the rework
It was the buff to storm damage and the amor reworks that made him a tank buster
Revert the changes to storm arrow to just effect ARMOR enemies and put damage reduction to like half
Because if I land 2 storm arrow heads shots and not kill then the character is dead
And please just give him back the one shot
@@donovan_salgado as much as I agree with you, hanzo just cannot be a strong character. Most of the player base already hate him with a passion. Imagine the outcry from the community if he was ever half as good as Cassidy is right now. I'd much rather hanzo stay as that niche but viable character that I can pick. He needs the one shot, but maybe reduce storm arrow count so it's a way to finish off enemies.
@@Hsjackow people will complain no mater what
They will hate Charcthers no matter what
Sorjurn and kirko have been meta revalent since overwatch 2 launch
And everyone hates it
And when they do get nerf
They get three buffs to compensate
He's a sniper Charcther
He's good at midrange and that's it
He can't zoom around the battlefield like Sorjurn or even widow
If he gets dive he most likely will die even with a pocket
Here is my compromise
Give him back the one shot
Lower storm count by one arrow and reduce the damage and increase the cooldown by two seconds
Increase health to 275 or three hundred
But include more falloff then even widow so he can't just one shot you across the map
He needs to be midrange to do anything
Increase load time between full damage shots by like 10 percent and slow the projectile just a bit as well
But he's arrows no longer arc they go straight
@@Hsjackow this is a total meme but I think it would be fun to just replace storm arrows with a single mega one shot arrow that has no headshots and on a long cooldown, then make the regular bow one shot at mid-close range, and remain how it is now for long range. that way you get one get out of jail free card per fight or one early pick per fight, then you have to risk it for kills the rest of the fight.
At least we get a short break when Marvel Rivals Beta comes out
I already took my break from overwatch. Went on a massive losing streak and then I went on a massive win streak. Opened the season with 6 losses in a row.
@Burning_Typhoon That was the same for most people. Awful design, right
@@KirbyGamingLive There were multiple reasons I took a break. I'm back now, though. Not happy with the game, but... I'm on a 12 game winstreak after losing a bunch, including my first 6 games of the season.
People have been hating on concord to but I'm excited to try both of those games. I love hero shooters, I'm just sick of overwatch
I don’t get how people just play Overwatch all day every day. If I don’t have Final Fantasy Rebirth, stellar blade or Elden ring I would have gone crazy
The fundamentals of all heroes that were released in OW 1 are TAILORED FOR 6V6. They just have to Bring back 6v6.
But not 222 technically
@@bui3415 I agree, I always thought 3 forced roles and 3 open roles.
They will once more tanks are added. Right now it's not enough.
You CANNOT fix the game's balance with a format that is never good to begin with. They need to stop and ditch it.
They keep dancing around the obvious solution that most people want
Overwatch heading down the same road as rainbow six siege, where in the other siege nerfed everything while overwatch buffed everything in the end it’s just developers that won’t listen to the community and or content creators
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I haven't played in almost idk 5 6 months. Ain't going back till they add second tank and give me pve
They’re literally ruining their game. I don’t want to play against a raid boss in every match. These devs are out of touch and need to all fu*king go.
Hanzo was genji but ranged an assassin type character that caught you lacking if you aren't aware of your surroundings. Him losing pre charge hurt his kit his dragon not being able to destroy deployables is stupid. Sonic not showing turrets or teleport even more stupid. They can fix his kit without giving back one shot I just doubt there are devs that play the hero enough to know what he really needs
I did not think about the deployable, but absolutely yes, those should show on his recon arrow.
just bring back 6v6 and admit u made a mistake blizzard ❤
fk no
genuinely every gameplay problem always leads back to the format and they just won't admit their mistakes. a few terrible metas because of bad BALANCING DECISIONS, not because of the format, shouldn't force us into an objectively inferior and more limiting gameplay experience. just take the L blizzard.
@@eagerinspirit we'll just trade issues for new ones
@@mycelia_ow issues that are fixable instead of ones that are inherently unfixable. 5v5's problems are problems inate to the format. they won't go away no matter what. 6v6's problems were with specific characters abilities and overall balance. so yes, we would. but trying to fix 5v5 would mean developing a new game entirely. fixing 6v6 means addressing a few core issues while ALSO allowing more options AND still providing all the things 5v5 provides.
Bring back 6v6
And then their too strong and the complaining starts all over again 😂
Right
The community is always the downfall of Overwatch.😂😂😂😂
This fkin skin is the reason i get fkin pharmercys non stop
As far as Hanzo goes, just give him his oneshot back, take off a Storm Arrow or 2, and reduce his projectile size further. Don't mess around with hero HP just for one hero, just fix that one hero!
these devs 🙄 they've been trying to balance by excel spreadsheets since the start of 2 it doesn't work.
Overwatch 2 gives me brain damage
Well on the bright side, you stopped playing it
@@damianvaldez9390yeah lucky him unfortunately us sheep are still playing
@@sutnack7537just don’t play it😂? I quit the game when Mauga became meta, came back when venture came out and left again this season. You can take breaks bro
In my matches it just feels like you can’t kill anyone unless you have a pocket.
Tanks don’t die, DPS doesn’t die, Supports don’t die like it just feels like I’m putting clips and clips into people but nothing dies.
Only way shit dies is if we got a Zen or Mercy boosting us.
In Overwatch 1 it was easy to kill people tanks, supports and DPS.
Fuck I miss those days this is from a diamond player
As a hanzo one trick, i'd personally be happy if they just made it so he can one shot at close range only. Like within 5-10 metres. I don't really care about the sniper play style, i just wanna play assassin hanzo again without relying on my opponents low reaction time to win duels, cos right now it feels like if they see me first or if they react fast enough to my first shot, i die, with no chance at getting a second shot off unless i use my storm arrows. I obviously don't understand the hanzo hate all that well, but from what i gather it's because some people like to stand on a corner spamming a choke, and used to be able to get random one shots like that, which like... isn't at all how i play him, so i don't care if those people lose their schtick if i get to have assassin hanzo back. (though i would mind if can't do any damage at range like a cass, i still wanna contest widows and poke from range, i just don't care about one shotting a soldier or something like that across the map)
Tbh i think if they just buffed his damage he'd be OP, and no thank you i don't wanna get chased around by salty sombra players more than i already do. At the least, if they don't buff his damage at all, (even though they said they're looking at it), buff his arrow's draw speed instead so i can get more than one arrow off in a duel.
Also idc about storm arrows, i like the precise part of hanzo not the spammy part, so if they just delete storm arrows that's all good with me, gimme a single no headshot mega arrow that does like 300 damage on a 15 second cooldown using the ult animation instead. hell that'd be cool to replace the long range sniper part of his kit.
Ow2 players, expeciallyon the subreddit have this irrational view of otherspoaying characters they dont like, as if it's the plzyersfault and not the devs. I play wrecking ball and hate fighting sombra but I'd rather both my character and sombra be improved for the fight or fight as experience.
Hanzo is not the poster boy like rein or genji but GODDAMN, it feels unsatisfying to land a headshot on a target and watch like 3 support cooldowns immediate,y bring the target back to full health before you can pull second arrow lmao. This is coming from someone who hates to fight good hanzos. If the devs just lazily nerf heroes that the community without actually redesigning them for 5v5 which also hate, we are all left with a smaller roster.
Keep grinding on hanzo and dont take shit from people in game for you wanting to have fun fulfilling the skilled bowmaster fantasy
Honestly, just give him 5 more damage on primary so he can one-shot 250, and drop Storm Arrow count. It won't make him meta or even necessarily good, with all the mobility in this game now.
"Someone's tryharding so much, they even bother to use Winston secondary fire" -- actual quote from the game
they'll never back down from 5v5 and single tanks, because its the only thing left they have to justify the 2 in overwatch 2
Except for their favorite game feature, the store
the monetization justifies it enough
I just keep getting regular huge stutters, I’ve updated my drivers checked for packet loss I have a good connection gpu ram and cpu and it just keeps lagging mysteriously(even the audio lags with a bvvvvv sound) … it’s a shame I can’t play the game anymore
Sleepdart is fine, it's anti-nade that's the problem. It's effective on hog and mauga yes, but even more effective on all the other tanks too. I think it should be reworked so that it dosent stop healing entierly, but instead limits how much hp a tank can healed to.
Example:
Say hog gets splashed at full hp, well with the change, if he took damage a support could heal him back to full while anti-naded. But if he is splashed at say 300 hp, he can only be healed up to 300 hp till the effect wheres off. This would make anti-nade a more thought-provoking tool. "Should I use it when hog is almost full hp, or should I wait to use it when he is half hp?" Instead of, "Oh, it's a tank. *sleep, anti-nade, tank is dead*"
In return, possibly nerf tanks like mauga, ball, and roadhog to less hp to componsate. Mauga 700hp, hog 700 hp, ball 650 hp (because he is so mobile)
I've been saying this for ages. It's just too easy to use and when and IF it hits, it has insane potential--- junkerqueen literally has to hit an ult to put on anti-heals but ana can do it every 10 secs? wha....
what happened to gothenburg? is that just gonna be pve exclusive?
Playing against a Sombra and Ana on the same team is a nightmare for a tank
You can't buff tanks without buffing other characters in the cast. Tanks are miserable because 5v5 will always make tank feel alone and responsible for failure because...well...5v5 aint even.
i havent enjoyed OW2 since i played the marvel rivals alpha. Glad it'll be back in july
I wasn’t able to play but damn it looked so fun
6v6
They have an un-fixible problem. Game was designed to be team work based but they try to make every hero able to go 1v1 there are different health pools, weapon damage…I don’t think they know what to do to fix the issue
I uninstalled when they took Hanzo one shot out, they obviously don’t know what they are doing and are just listening to whoever screams the loudest and seeing what sticks. Hanzo was my favorite hero thousands of hours into him from when he was trash to when he was good and every iteration between but taking his one shot was it for me. It feels like they gave this game to interns to balance. I’m over relearning hero’s every other season because they can’t get it right. Tell the whiners to shut up and deal with it if they don’t like certain balance issues and make a good game. But the blizzard that made this game a global hit is gone and this is just a shell of their time.
Fellow Hanzo enjoyer here, I feel seen ❤
@@itslightningyo3714 they killed our boy man
og tank player here... Still, not asking for tank buffs. still not touching the tank role anymore.
regardless of how powercrept I can be, I just don't like to face multiple countepicks catered against me as soon as I play the game, after one teamfight. thx.
Just let this game die already
The thing about hanzo and widow is they're high risk high reward characters. That's why they had the ability to one shot. They had to aim that shot precisely to be able to get the kill all while making sure they keep themselves alive. That's what a sniper is supposed to be. Why do people think that high risk high reward characters are too strong in overwatch when you can just dive them and kill them easily? It's all just a difference in player skill at the end of the day.
I have always said that there should have been two tank roles, Shield tank and of tank that way you would not get double shield
What if tank and support roles shared a flex relationship and que. Where you could swap to 2 tanks and -1 healer midmatch for example. Leave dps que alone just merge a flex relationship and que for tank and support.
I realize open que allows for this, but i think role que would be improved with this plan.
Recently getting so many server drops it's ridiculous. Tickets don't work. Troubleshooting doesn't work. It's just incredibly frustrating to get time-banned when it's their fault.
I've always thought for Hanzo, to fix the whole sniper vibe, give him an Alt fire, change his primary fire to a continous fire, like storm arrows, but not as fast, and decrease the damage, then have his alt fire be a charged shot that can be held until you fire, and this of course deals more damage, not entirely sure if it would work out, but hey, it's a cool idea in my opinion
The main issue to me is that one better tank decides the game at least half the time now. While queue times are higher with two tanks, play was more interesting and more likely it brought the average combined skill of two tanks together closer. If they go back they ABSOLUTELY must lock out shield tanks after one is selected. People can deal it, one shield tank per team maximum. Widow and Hanzo need one shots back but need to act like Sojourn, where let-up to a one shot by accumulating charge on regular shots.
Want to fix Mauga, give him more mobility but require far more reloading so positioning to fire becomes more critical and target choices. Another option would be to allow Mauga to fire on a spot on the ground for a short time and set up a temporary fire field to zone enemies. Again, to keep this direct-fire spammy play down.
Unpacking a lot here, mostly from frustrations of playing this season, where I started Tank at Gold 5 and have battled my way all the way to Silver 4. Happy days.
The problem Overwatch 2 has is "consistency" because there does not appear to be a set of core design rules which they stick to. e.g. "In OW2 there will be no CC for DPS" which lasted about six months, then they have lazy design decisions such as removing flash bang for Cassidy, and putting in the shitty mag grenade.
Add to that, things like tank nerfs put in place in OW which they have not removed for OW2, such as Hammond's 5-sec cooldown on grappling hook when spawning - no other hero has an at-spawn cooldown, ffs! OW2 has become to feel like a game where the changes are done via committee, so in an attempt to please everyone, nothing really useful occurs.
When Jeff Kaplin headed the team, there seemed to be at least some consistency. After he "left" it felt like the top-tier and OWL players were influencing the outcomes of buff/nerf changes to suit themselves.
For real, playing tank right now is a sh!t show. 90% of games are you are either owning, or get absolutely pounded, and the remaining 10% /maybe/ feeling like it's balanced.
Is 6v6 the answer? Don't know - my memories of 6v6 felt largely like a "shooting at shields simulator" at times when everyone is bunkered up or was pirate shipping on the payload. Right now there is massive power creep, the game relies way too much on support to keep a tank alive - even when I have a Zarya with full charge, I cannot smoke opposing pocketed tank.
SOLUTIONS?
1) Get rid of DPS passive that nerfs healing.
2) Give tanks more armor, less health, to reduce incoming damage so that can at least have a bit more self sustain
3) There is way too much healing output available bring that down (Pharmercy anyone?)
4) No self healing over time except for Supports; Tanks don't regenerate health, but regen armor; DPS can suck it and find a health pack or get healed by Support. Brig used to be able to dish out armor. I say bring that back.
5) No ult charge for shooting armor or shields - so tanks regenerating armor stop being huge ult batteries.
6) Set some hard rules for the game and stick to them! e.g. No CC on DPS (except ults; or base health of each class is set then with appropriate modifiers based on the style of the hero e.g. DPS = 200, then a modifer might be "fast and nimble" (Tracer), -25, and so on.
7) Reworks to encourage better play - like Junker Queen get a cooldown on Carnage for hitting, and Genji has the instant one. This would be great for Doomfist so if he connects a Rocket Punch and it stuns players with a pushback into a wall, each stunned reduces cooldown up to a max, or if Rein gets a successful pin + damage then cooldown reduces, and so on.
8) So some extent, realign character abilities and with their design/stories. e.g. Doomfist, who a guy that can supposedly level a building with his punch, feels like you are hitting with a wet noodle. I did like the Mirrorverse DF ability with the shield though. That was cool.
Then at least they can work from a consistent baseline and re-work the game. Oh wait, wasn't this supposed to be OW2?
One issue is that people like to eliminate others but they don't like to be eliminated. How do you balance for that?
6v6 can work if you make 4 roles for example:
Shield Tank: Off Tank: DMG: Support
That way there’s no double shield meta and it promotes more teamwork in a healthy manner for players. They should at least test it in an event or something.
this reminds me of heavy from tf2 because he kinda has a similar problem except he doesn’t get destroyed by a billion stuns,slows and pushes he just gets focused and i mean I THINK ITS WAY OVER THIS GAME NEEDS TO REMOVE ROLE QUE
Give hazo more arrows just not scatter. Dragon lady in paladins has rotating skills, do that with hanzo. Then you can give him a a special piercing arraw that one shot on a cooldown as an idea.
i think if they buff winstion secondary fire and ult its ok the other parts of his kit are already really good but you cant feel taht these to things stick out of beeing pready bad AND MAUGA NEEDS THESE CHANCHES
Am i misremembering but I thought they already had reduced sleep duration for tanks?
Also Gunnar Glasses do help with blue light. I have been wearing them for probably the past 10 years or so and definitely help a lot with eye fatigue and headaches.
After eight years, I finally took a step back from the game. After a few months of clarity, I can say without a doubt that 6v6 was a more "fun" version of the game. Sure, double shield was unbearable, but there were so many wonderful synergies between main/off tank that are gone for good. They fixed the issue with a sledgehammer and not a scalpel.
before I used to not care about advocating for 6v6 because I really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt, but in reality it’s so crucial that we go back to 6v6 now.
I'm fine with Sniper characters (Widow, Hanzo) one shoting so long as I can shoot back. What I would do is make the ranged DPS hitscans (Cassidy, Soldier, Ashe, Bastion - Recon) have significantly less damage falloff, but only on headshots. That way there's an element of counterplay. Both parties have to aim for headshots to deal with each other from range. The sniper of course has an advantage of doing more bodyshot damage, but they run the risk of taking headshots themselves if they take too long.
Ngl that would kill pharah and echo and also make hitscans really powerful. Unless what you are saying only applies to those two sniper characters.
They really just gotta do what guy said and admit fault no biggy u made a mistake now own up to it and fix it
bruh. the knights fighting in bumper cars x.x
unironically, i think bringing back 6v6 with 2 separate tank roles would be fun. have a brawler role, which would be some of the less team focused tanks with less HP (maybe a little bit less than the HP they have in open queue) and have a straight tank role for the team oriented tanks like rein and just leave their HP the same as it is now
HP would have to reduced otherwise DPS wouldn’t be able to kill shit.
Play Open Queue if you want to experience what it’s like fighting more than 2 super tanks.
It’s a miserable experience.
I’m all for 6v6 but the tanks will have to be nerfed to Overwatch 1 levels
3:40 The way the killfeed gives us the expected ending to that story lol. And the moira's name makes it even funier
Would be interesting to see honzo get utility arrows. Give him the ability to apply status effects. A similar play style to ash rather than widow
Tanks in overwatch have never really made sense to me. I don't think reverting to 6v6 will solve that. Imo they should scrap the role system entirely and rework all the heroes to be mainly dps. Some of them can have a bit of healing & protection abilities, but they shouldn't be the focus.
Ive been inba similar position with OW simply bexause its not enjoyabek anymore, its been monetiezed to hell and back, all the cool unlockables are behind a battlepass and after almost 10 years, STILL cant get the hero balancing right, i dont think ive ever seen so many flip-flop changes between heros/roles in any game, at least that ive played, i really feel like they need to recruit some SERIOUS gamers, professional and expert developers to really fine-tine the game, and if its takes a while, it takes a while, just do it bloody properly
If memory serves, gold weapons in order were Mercy, Sym, Brig, Rein (mostly casual these days, Comp feels too toxic)
I liked that they're making a charity with Mercy skin, but I don't like the phrasing "to comemorete 10M (?) players, we are GIVING the opportunity to buy the skins for charity", the phrasing and the recolor makes a little...dunno...
I honestly think they should make tanks SCARY, as in nobody would want to 1v1 the tank except maybe the other tank. If we are only gonna have one tank, then I think they should be more impactful to matches. I feel like it’s strange that a Mccree or soldier can 1v1 a tank and win. Tanks should be something that scares away damage or support from 1v1s and maybe even 1v2 to fight against instead of a weaker damage that has a bit more health. And I think this would also make people far more likely to pick tank role too since it would have a more unique role.
In every game (literally) whenever I kill (diff) enemy tank they insta switch to Mauga and suddenly they destroy the lobby and that just discourages me to play the role. I rather play Widow, Sombra or any hero that can either escape easily from Mauga or someone that its not his job to focus. Just painful :(
Also, If they are going to buff Hanzo, then why not Widow too? I don’t mean her dmg, they can at least buff her charge rate by just a bit or an ability cooldown. Would like to see opinions on this.
@@willypv I main widow and i have to disagree shes okay where shes at now, She Excels depending on Map or the skill of the player can get countered by every Dive hero,Hanzo another widow etc which is a fair trade since her one shot is so lethal.
I main Hanzo before the Nerfs and i hope they realise widow would be in a similar boat or even worse if they Remove her OneShot . I can't Stand playing Hanzo now hes just a Worse Projectile Ashe
Mauga is so easy to countre.
I think the real problem is because of 5 v 5 you can’t just main one tank anymore. I mean technically you can but the moment the enemy swaps to your counter…..then what do you do if you refuse to also swap. I think this is the basis of the feelsbad meta.
Yeah Mauga needs serious tuning something like the discord orb nerf a while back where you can’t set everything on fire at once.
Give hanzo a smoke bomb. Fits the ninja theme. Would synergize with sonic. Could be used offensively or defensively. I would not even care if they ditched storm arrows for it. One shot on at least the low hp characters would be nice though.
New balance direction. As if the several previous balance directions did anything. We've gone north, south, east and west and look, we're still where we've always been.
5:44 this Winston ult really made me feel frustrated at how bad it kinda felt.
remove the tank role entirely. reduce the tanks hit points to something like they are in open queue. add them to the dps pool. 3-2 format.
Like everyone been saying since the beginning :bring back 6v6,period.
Not only does it make tank balancing a lot better and easier, it also makes things SO much more fun for tank players.
And for everyone else as well.. No more backing up to wait for the tank respawn the moment he dies since the fight is already over. You could still turn things around with the second one.
I'd freaking pay to get a version of ow with 6v6
Ill pick up overwatch again when they come to their senses and go 6v6
Problem with tank is you forced to play certain tanks on certain maps the enemy team comp, your team comp and you expected as to deal with everything and enable your team when your team doesn’t know how to help you
These guys think Tank can do everything themselves when they don’t realize supports need to help as well. Anna nade can help against Mauga or Hog or Zen but yet the Lucio on our team refuses to switch
One shots Need to be removed from the game unless they add another tank. It takes too many resources to deal with a good oneshot hero with only one tank, especially if your dps arent good at those heroes.
I thought the one point of 5v5 was that the game was too complicated 6v6. Now they do all these changes that make the game way more complicated and annoying in a different way.
Lol I've seen people fighting over playing Mercy
Give hanzo a new arrow type. He has storm arrows, a sonar arrow, maybe an electric arrow that chains lightening.
IDC what anyone says i love Mauga .... i play in low ranks like silver gold and hes the best choice for me when no one is shooting that pharmacy , When no one is focus firing , when no one marks targets and oh yea hes fun as hell to play
Hanzo is the most annoying hero in the game imo. If they are going to buff him they need make it more noticeable when he is firing or something. Louder firing sounds, more visable tracers and hanzo being included in the sniper callout would go a long way to feeling less cheap. Feeling like you got killed out of nowhere.
For widow, as soon as you fire once in a fight the entire server knows where you are. For hanzo it is much much harder to pick out his arrows in the middle of a fight, even though his arrows are almost as deadly as widow.
I never thought of this, but fair point actually.
For Hanzo, they could take a page out of Bungies book. Exotic weapons have special sounds, animations, ect, that make it VERY CLEAR what you're dealing with. For instance, Le Monarque, an exotic bow that i hate with all my heart makes a very distinct "thunk" noise when it fires. This noise lets EVERYONE KNOW what you're using. Hanzo having a louder bow sound would likely be more than enough. Rn, it gets drowned out by everything else.
Well, I get why people find him annoying, but the entire point of his character is kinda the stealthy assassin. He can't snipe like widowmaker because he is projectile and if you see his arrows coming, you can attempt to dodge the arrow by strafing. This makes it really hard for him to land shots constantly unlike widow who is hitscan. Hanzo is forced to capitalize element of surprise to have consistent value. If you make him noticeable like widow I think he would be so much worse.
As a winston main, I agree he doesn’t really need a buff. The ultimate buff is most likely just to make it better for low metal tank players that can’t juggle well. But I’m not complaining about them.
Reinhardt. The charge buff is fine. But still isn’t going to fox what’s wrong with him. I think the increased hammer swing rate for landing swings would be a better buff for him in the long run.
I agree with everyone that 6v6 would fix a huge amount of the tank problems... but the thing with 6v6, nobody wanted to play tank even back then. Overwatch 1 had a serious lack of tank players, which is a big part of why they went with 5v5. So the question is, how do you reintroduce 6v6 and keep a steady stream of players locked into tank, the least played role in OW by far? This is not just an OW2 issue, it was a consistent issue in the first game. Tank is just a very exhausting and thankless role, I think a lot of people get burnt out constantly playing it.
Its a choice of a bit longer queue times for better games, or continuing to make every match a mess because of a format that only exists to speed the queue times up...
I just found out that Stylosa IS NOT the actor who plays Jaskier in "The Witcher."
6v6 is the only solution at this point, we tried 5v5 and it didnt work, we have tried to balance it for 2 years now, wasted down the drain
If sleep is lower than 2.5 seconds you might as well just get rid of the ability
The gymnastics these devs are doing to avoid 6v6 would easily win them gold in the Olympics
Buffing rein charge just shows that they dont know how to buff rein at all. His charge is the most frustrating thing about his kit especially for tanks, all this will do is make more unfun oneshots to get hit by.
Remove sombra 😫
Just make it 6vs6 that is easy it is.
It's actually not. Look at all the damage and things every one can do. If they were to add another tank they would have to rework a good bit of tanks at the least. Stuff that is this intertwined is never easy to fix or even improve at all. Have a good rest of your day.
@@purplearmour It's not easy, but it's the only answer.
5v5 is very boring, especially if you play tank, even the best tank player says that.
The only problem with 6 vs 6 is the double shield, which is really easy to solve.
@@chuyyou no in multiple ways, unless your just wanting to talk about your opinion, there's always another option. You're just wanting the old way back. Think about how to balance 5V5, there's so many ways technically. Have a good rest of your day.
@@purplearmour Whatever you say.
Overwatch was made for 6v6, some things would never work in 5v5. You just want it to stay 5v5, I don't know why you want that, it is bad in every way. They just do it 5v5 so they can call the game Overwatch 2.
@@chuyyou ok you're wrong again actually. It's overwatch 2 because they said they wanted PVE modes, even though that's not happening anymore. Thank you for assuming I just want 5V5. I don't care if it's 5V5, 6V6 or anything else. I just want a good game to play, and I know how much time and effort went into making the game 5V5. All I texted was there are ways that you could think about, you just don't want to like typical 6V6 only people. Give ideas on how to make both better because they both aren't the best, they both have so many problems.
rein in his ow2 skin but with the ow1 helmet is weird ngl
Everything but 6v6 hun. Fuck this, hope Marvel rivals slaps the last opium resource left in overwatch
There is a omnic crisis going on in sty’s comment section 😂
They actually need to stop with the compensation buffs/nerfs that literally do not make any sense, like they take hanzos one shot away and then give him a lunge buff as compensation (btw I'm not a fan of hanzo one shot coming back, it's just an example)
They’ve been saying for over 6 months they’re gonna rework reaper but that hasn’t happened yet, I hope they don’t keep saying “oh yeah we’re gonna rework ___” and then don’t
Why can't they just add another competitive mode for 6v6? Like they did with mystery heros.
Give hanzo back his one shot but decrease its range or make his drawback speed slower
Damage drop off might be the way to go, I don't think his drawback speed can be any slower considering his arrows also have a travel speed
I personally believe the only long-term solution for the tank problem is bringing 6v6 back. The only tank who can't really be countered into the ground in a match is Zarya, but most everybody I know hates her for that exact reason. We need 6v6 back in order to have a game fun for the tank mains, otherwise they barely ever get to play their favorite heroes when they're being counterpicked every other match.
Spillo.
Also, they were discussing nerfing heroes who are "squirrelly" (most likely hyper mobility like Genji) down to something like 225 so that they are within one-shot range. These characters are supremely annoying and definitely do not deserve 250 HP when they have all that mobility.