I don’t play this heavy of music, but I’m very happy that you made a video highlighting how the P-Rails sound for metal. I’ve been strongly considering a single pickup build, and I wanted to see how they do with hi gain. They sound great...
I like the really open heavy tone of the single rail it makes the sound super full with nice voiced middle range without losing the punch in the low end and nice balanced highs that aren’t too bright
Good video. You are one person on youtube who actually uses the guitar for rhythm in a truly helpful way for listeners: moderate tempo, plenty of palm muting or heavy picking on low strings. Strange that others can't figure this out!
I've been really interested in these but couldn't find a good heavy down-tuned demo. Now im sold!! I'm planning to build a Fender Meteora style guitar with a tele-humbucker bridge and drop these badboys in it!! Subbed now too!!
I have one in the neck with a Bill Lawrence Wylde L500XL in the bridge. It doesn't distort as much as the L500XL but when used together adds that low midrange girth while taking a little distortion away. Worth the trade off. I like all the rails engaged. Single coil w humber
Are you able to set it up in a way you can have for instance the neck with a hot rail and the bridge with a p90 etc. Or can you only change pickup modes for both of them? Also was it relatively straight forward with the set up with the electronics? Great video, didn't know I needed these in my life but now they're all I want
With the eay I've got it set up with push pots you can only change the mode of both pickups. But you look into the SD Triple Mount Ring Mounts for the P-Rails which have dipswitches on them so you can change each pickup independently. Plus they give you a ton of other different options. But I opted for push pots because heard mixed review on the quality of the Triple mount ring mounts.
As Gary mentioned, using the Triple Shot Mounting Rings will get you more switching options with the P-Rails pickups. I've used them for a while now and never had any issue with them in terms of being questionable quality or anything, they've worked great for me and were relatively easy to install. If you're looking to have an instrument that offers a wide variety of tones, the P-Rails with the Triple Shot rings is worth looking into. Cheers.
I was unsure if it would be worth it to just get the bridge PU, since I cant afford to get the whole set as well as either triple shot ring or a second push pull pot, at least not all at once, but this made it very clear, I'm a rythym gtr player in a punk band so the neck PU is not used a whole lot by me anyway, I am curious to hear what it would sound like to run the p rail in series and a humbucker in the neck, when they were in the middle position with both on. I have the magnet in my LP humbucker flipped so its out of phase, gives it that snappy, sound like Gillmore used on "Another Brick in the Wall", so im extra curious to see how that combo sounds in addition to the standard hum on neck with this p-rail on bidge. Maybe if no one else does, ill make a video after I get my bridge p-rail and explore how it synchs up with an out of phase neck hum and with an in phase neck hum.
Here it is. So I did the 1 tone, 1 volume, both with push/pull pots and 3 way toggle. www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/the-p-rails-wiring-bible-part-3
@@GaryHiebner I have the normal set. I also hear the Rail louder in your video but it sounds more pronounced on my end on the clean channel and not as much a difference when distorted.
thanks for doing a demo with some heavy tones for the p-rails. but I have a question: have u tried the SHPR-2, the hotter version of the bridge? if so, id really appreciate hearing a comparison
Yeah I had the SHPR2 in another guitar of mine for a bit. Its been discontinued now. Theres wasn't that mush difference between the two. It definitely was a bit hotter. But not a drastic difference in the tone. Both are great pickups.
Here you go. I used the One volume, one tone with push pots and 3 way toggle. www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/the-p-rails-wiring-bible-part-3
Looking at that, it's F-spaced humbucker size of I am correct? I am interested in one of these for the neck position on my Pacifica 611 but the neck pickup is a traditionally sized P90 so I'd need to check out the body cavity and order a replacement scratchplate.
Yes, that is correct. The bridge is F-Spaced. But don't think neck pickups are F-Spaced? isn't it only the bridge that is F-Spaced? They great pickups. I really like the versatility of them.
@@GaryHiebner Thanks for the response! Yeah I think I'll have to look into another solution for the Pacifica's neck position, but it was a nice idea. Great video!
Thanks for doing this Demo one of the best I¨ve seen, how do you rate the bass, mids and high on series wiring, it s seems to be big sounding pickup with some sweet highs? I am looking for a pick up for a swamp ash bodie that tends to sound thin.
Once you reach that level of distortion (disruption of the original tone and harmonic content), it really doesn't matter what pickups are used. Or what guitar, for that matter. Well, guitar - yes - for play/feel/touch. But for tone, there is none left once the square wave and compression have long-since squashed any discernible nuance. Regardless of what one plays every day, to demonstrate subtle tonal differences and sensitivities, clean to light overdrive is the only fair way to judge any detail or subtlety. I'm not knocking high-gain. Just that its point isn't about tonal breath and warmth/brightness, you just want as much output as you can get since any real sense of tone is long gone. 🙂
I dont know too much about the bentbucker, but its looks pretty interesting how they have redesigned the humbucker. Rough call. I'd say watch as many reviews and video playthroughs you can and compare.
I too don't have much experience with the Bentbuckers but I've heard good stuff. However I have a friend with a baritone that has the P-Rails in there and his tone is amazing. He plays mostly prog, shoegaze and some alt-rock type of stuff with it and his tones are stellar.
Wow, parallel mode was out of this world, like wow, it was so scratchy, aggressive and clear. Great demo man!
agreed, that tone was insane!
I thought so as well with parallel being the one that stands out the most.
I’m lost as to what exactly parallel and series means.
That "tone" was nothing but the amp. Minor different at best. The sounded amazeballs though!
I don’t play this heavy of music, but I’m very happy that you made a video highlighting how the P-Rails sound for metal. I’ve been strongly considering a single pickup build, and I wanted to see how they do with hi gain. They sound great...
Yeah they sound pretty good for hi gain. Also very cool for clean stuff. But didnt really demo this in the video cos I dont play cleans that much
I like the really open heavy tone of the single rail it makes the sound super full with nice voiced middle range without losing the punch in the low end and nice balanced highs that aren’t too bright
Parallel mode is really interesting. I might have to get some of these!
Good video. You are one person on youtube who actually uses the guitar for rhythm in a truly helpful way for listeners: moderate tempo, plenty of palm muting or heavy picking on low strings. Strange that others can't figure this out!
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed the demo. They are very interesting pickups
I have a set of P-rails in my SZ202. Love the versatility!
I've been really interested in these but couldn't find a good heavy down-tuned demo. Now im sold!! I'm planning to build a Fender Meteora style guitar with a tele-humbucker bridge and drop these badboys in it!! Subbed now too!!
Awesome. Enjoy your guitar build. Fender Meteoras are awesome. That with P-Rails would be awesome.
Love my single bridge wired at the moment with it as series and the P-90 in my Dean Z.. But going to add the parallel and the rail this week.
I have one in the neck with a Bill Lawrence Wylde L500XL in the bridge. It doesn't distort as much as the L500XL but when used together adds that low midrange girth while taking a little distortion away. Worth the trade off. I like all the rails engaged. Single coil w humber
Cool. That's an interesting combination
One of the best youtube channels I found
Amazing content mate
Thanks, glad you like the content
I like how your video says “the most versatile pickup ever” then through out your entire video you play nothing but high gain metal
😂😂😂😂
late, but I mean, "Heavy Tones" is in the channel name lol
Total versatility...one went "chug chug chug chug a lug a lug" and another one went "chunk a duh dunky chunk a duh dunky chug".
Parallel!... and single rail too
Are you able to set it up in a way you can have for instance the neck with a hot rail and the bridge with a p90 etc. Or can you only change pickup modes for both of them? Also was it relatively straight forward with the set up with the electronics? Great video, didn't know I needed these in my life but now they're all I want
With the eay I've got it set up with push pots you can only change the mode of both pickups. But you look into the SD Triple Mount Ring Mounts for the P-Rails which have dipswitches on them so you can change each pickup independently. Plus they give you a ton of other different options. But I opted for push pots because heard mixed review on the quality of the Triple mount ring mounts.
As Gary mentioned, using the Triple Shot Mounting Rings will get you more switching options with the P-Rails pickups. I've used them for a while now and never had any issue with them in terms of being questionable quality or anything, they've worked great for me and were relatively easy to install. If you're looking to have an instrument that offers a wide variety of tones, the P-Rails with the Triple Shot rings is worth looking into. Cheers.
I like them a lot
Sounds great with so much distortion!................
I was unsure if it would be worth it to just get the bridge PU, since I cant afford to get the whole set as well as either triple shot ring or a second push pull pot, at least not all at once, but this made it very clear, I'm a rythym gtr player in a punk band so the neck PU is not used a whole lot by me anyway, I am curious to hear what it would sound like to run the p rail in series and a humbucker in the neck, when they were in the middle position with both on. I have the magnet in my LP humbucker flipped so its out of phase, gives it that snappy, sound like Gillmore used on "Another Brick in the Wall", so im extra curious to see how that combo sounds in addition to the standard hum on neck with this p-rail on bidge. Maybe if no one else does, ill make a video after I get my bridge p-rail and explore how it synchs up with an out of phase neck hum and with an in phase neck hum.
Deffo Parallel and Rail for me. Was surprised how little I like the P90 tone, sounds much more like a humbucker to me
Yeah those modes are my favorite as well
Awesome! Do you have the wiring diagram to do this exactly? Series, parallel, p90, and single rail? Please share!
Here it is. So I did the 1 tone, 1 volume, both with push/pull pots and 3 way toggle. www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/the-p-rails-wiring-bible-part-3
@@GaryHiebner thank you so much! This is awesome!
Your riffs are awesome dude
Thanks Pablo
This is the video I’ve been searching for!
Can I ask do you need a noise gate to cancel the hum when you use none series mode ? Thanks
Yeah there is a slight bit of the usual single coil noise. So a noise gate will definitely help. Especially with hi gain.
@@GaryHiebner Thanks
I have mine installed, so the Rails are supposed to have a notably higher output than the P90s? I hear that on mine and somewhat on your video.
There is also a version of the PRail Bridge that is was hotter. Maybe you have that model?
@@GaryHiebner I have the normal set. I also hear the Rail louder in your video but it sounds more pronounced on my end on the clean channel and not as much a difference when distorted.
thanks for doing a demo with some heavy tones for the p-rails. but I have a question: have u tried the SHPR-2, the hotter version of the bridge? if so, id really appreciate hearing a comparison
Yeah I had the SHPR2 in another guitar of mine for a bit. Its been discontinued now. Theres wasn't that mush difference between the two. It definitely was a bit hotter. But not a drastic difference in the tone. Both are great pickups.
ok thank u so much! so id probably get away with getting the normal set, thats good to hear
A little late to the party but if you have a wiring diagram that would be very apprieciated
Here you go. I used the One volume, one tone with push pots and 3 way toggle. www.seymourduncan.com/blog/latest-updates/the-p-rails-wiring-bible-part-3
These chug so beautifully 😍
Looking at that, it's F-spaced humbucker size of I am correct? I am interested in one of these for the neck position on my Pacifica 611 but the neck pickup is a traditionally sized P90 so I'd need to check out the body cavity and order a replacement scratchplate.
Yes, that is correct. The bridge is F-Spaced. But don't think neck pickups are F-Spaced? isn't it only the bridge that is F-Spaced? They great pickups. I really like the versatility of them.
@@GaryHiebner Thanks for the response! Yeah I think I'll have to look into another solution for the Pacifica's neck position, but it was a nice idea. Great video!
Thanks for doing this Demo one of the best I¨ve seen, how do you rate the bass, mids and high on series wiring, it s seems to be big sounding pickup with some sweet highs? I am looking for a pick up for a swamp ash bodie that tends to sound thin.
Badass. I wonder if you can install nickel humbucker caps over these.
Guessing the pole holes will probably bot lineul
I need this
We’re these the hot p-rails or the standard?
The Standard ones. Not the hot ones.
It wouldn't matter.
Where can I get this guitar. I love it
Look up DoodCraft Guitars on Reverb.com. Also, here is the review video I did on the custom build guitar: ua-cam.com/video/FJHHUdT-HDA/v-deo.html
Are you using 250k or 500k pots with this?
500k CTS Pots
Awesome! Thanks for the reply.
Once you reach that level of distortion (disruption of the original tone and harmonic content), it really doesn't matter what pickups are used. Or what guitar, for that matter. Well, guitar - yes - for play/feel/touch. But for tone, there is none left once the square wave and compression have long-since squashed any discernible nuance. Regardless of what one plays every day, to demonstrate subtle tonal differences and sensitivities, clean to light overdrive is the only fair way to judge any detail or subtlety.
I'm not knocking high-gain. Just that its point isn't about tonal breath and warmth/brightness, you just want as much output as you can get since any real sense of tone is long gone. 🙂
This dork did an all clean demo: ua-cam.com/video/f9np8rcGWUE/v-deo.htmlsi=XaXWglQ_ikR-dKby
yep. 😂
Im trying to choose between these and a set of alegree bentbuckers for the 30" baritone i wanna get, any thoughts
I dont know too much about the bentbucker, but its looks pretty interesting how they have redesigned the humbucker. Rough call. I'd say watch as many reviews and video playthroughs you can and compare.
@@GaryHiebner yeah thats the problem, it seems like something that could be the perfect baritone humbucker, but theres no proper demos or reviews yet
I too don't have much experience with the Bentbuckers but I've heard good stuff. However I have a friend with a baritone that has the P-Rails in there and his tone is amazing. He plays mostly prog, shoegaze and some alt-rock type of stuff with it and his tones are stellar.
Play clean tones to hear true sounds.
Amazing video!
Does it make sense to replace the squier baritone jazzmaster pickups with these?
You can do. I've seen other do that and have really liked the tone with it.
It's pretty cool to hear a south african accent on a lighter voice. Sounds kind of Australian/Kiwi.
Not to Australians….
Very interesting... 🤔🤘🏻
cool vid, though the tone is not really to my liking. would you be kind enough to post DIs up for us to try out in our own amp setups?
link to clean sound video?
If I may: ua-cam.com/video/f9np8rcGWUE/v-deo.htmlsi=XaXWglQ_ikR-dKby
what you play every pickup will do
sorry, mate: these pickups offer a much wider range of tones in comparison you show these crap sounds! what a shame!
Agree. I have a set in an Epiphone Dot. A random Korean Humbucker in a 2x4 would have sounded the same with that gained up amp.
How could you ever hear the actual pickup distortion was overbearing dude
It sounded exactly the same...
open your ears
I could hear the difference through my small laptop speakers on low volume. come on
Most versatile pickup ever: only plays prog metal so you can't hear the way the pickups actually sound