EVE Online - Best Alpha clone Mining ship
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2024
- The best alpha clone mining ship that can mine 2x the speed of a venture. The Apocalypse!
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Fit used:
[Apocalypse, Miner apocalypse]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Survey Scanner II
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Eutectic Compact Cap Recharger
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
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It's a long way to battleship. Especially for ( new ) solo ( at first ) players. Should explain how joining a corp is helping much more and how to fleet up. You may actually do them yourself in a discord chat.
Hey, the Venture is not "classical". It's a new thing they threw in a couple years ago, like hack game designers do.
You want classical miners, go back to cruisers before the logi update, where the Osprey ruled supreme lol.
This hurts me but I get exactly why it's good but seeing a battleship mining still hurts :)
It used to be a thing before exhumers existed as well. So really it's been in the game for ages, Apoc and Rokhs mining ftw.
@@MalakStarfire Rokh mining was the shit back in the day
Jetcan mining in cruisers and battleships. Used to be a thing :) Only real vets remember though
@@Agnus78 Started 2012, was mining in my first Omen till i got enought ISK to get the retriever trained and fitted.
Back in the day had a mining frigate, then omen, then an armageddon, until finally getting the apoc. Lost it to a container stealing gank because I was a complete noob still and didnt understand mechanics yet lol
Watching an Apoc mine brings back the memories from 2004! Have to say it looks a hell of a lot cooler with the new graphics though.
I've not seen these mining laser animations before, they are actually really nice.
Yep, sure does bring back the memories 😅
This takes me back to my early experiences of eve in the early 2000’s!
Harvester drones used to be so expensive but this with a bestower on my alt was our standard mining setup
@@Howtopaintstuff there is a time, when even barge didnt existed ;D ... Dominix was very good at mining ;D
The Apocalypse used to be the go-to mining ship, yes.
Actually quite an impressive build. The only problem is the cargo hold vs that sweet mining hold. You'd either have to go back and forth too much or you'd need to use containers and haul that stuff back. Also, with such a high valued target you'd be prey to pirates for sure.
300 mil...you can buy a lot of ventures with that. Hahaha.. appreciate the fun Acey
The Apoc is not the best as of last year the Rokh can mine 13.6 per second. The praxis can have a huge cargo hold so if you want something that can afk, you can use that(And you still get more m3 than a venture with no skills needed to fly the ship). You also don't need to fly to the asteroids every time, they don't move and will be in the same spot after downtime every day so you can just bookmark them. History: yes, this is how people mined before the ORE ships were added to the game, and the mega was at that time the best mining ship in the game. PS. This works really well with a fleet where you have compression.
Miasmos is the hauler you want. That's the one with the mining hold.
I recommend the Kryos for moving minerals
Exactly! Back in the day Battleship mining was the best!
+1 on your video it looks fun. I still use my Venture to mine in most places. But I did some mining with a Punisher, Merlin, etc. for fun. When I can find a "quiet spot" in high security space I have used my Bestower to mass mine at much slower rate but it can haul 25,000 volume (5 times the Venture). All of these ships can be used by Alpha players, but you could lose them should someone find you. I tend to load up my Venture with 2 Miner II class lasers, Upgrade I, a decent engine to warp out fast, and 2 expendable drones. The drones, in most cases, can handle NPC pirates. But if a red player shows up, best to warp out and buy more drones later. Liked and subbed.
"Decent engine to warp out fast"? If you mean afterburner and microwarpdrives, those slightly increase the amount of time it takes to warp off while turned on.
@@dunkyl I mostly use the cold gas micro engine. To explain in greater detail. While mining gas in low sec, I have used 2 tactics for escaping other players. 1. No engine required, just align to your dock or saved safe point, you have a few seconds to warp out as they warp in. 2. Use the MWD to orbit the site at full speed while mining. If a player scrambles you warp (not webbed) you align your ship to dock and wait for their scrambler to cycle and hope your shields hold.
You can get a praxis fit such that it mines faster than a venture and at the same time has more cargo than the ore hold plus the cargo hold of the venture.
I used to laugh at BB mining ships but then when the Triglavian incursions came I would use one Praxis to kill most of the enemies and then grab another Praxis to mine the Talassonite that they spawned in hisec. It would just tank a couple enemies shooting at it and when done mining have the drones kill the final ships.
Yes, jet can mining was the best way back in the day (2000's). A shame alpha clones can't use T1 mining drones. It is pretty disappointing that CCP doesn't let alphas use one of the mining barges. The more they tease the player with goodies, the more likely they will play more and maybe subscribe! I used to do 2 hulks, jetcan then use a bestower to pick up the cans while the other hulk continued to mine. Only an alpha now, stuck with just one account and a lowly venture. Trying out wormhole mining for gas sites. 20 mill isk/hr but very risky. Had to hide for an hour as I was being hunted, did get out, only done it once. Certainly better than hi-sec mining.
Also when I was running level 4 security missions In 0.5 space, some of the deadspaces you had to warp to would have omber asteroids in them, so I would bookmark them and mine them after the mission. Since omber was only available in 0.4 and lower. Don't know if this is still the case.
Reminds me of my first mining ship in 2005.
[Rokh, mining alpha 816m3/min]
Expanded Cargohold II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
get imps and boost for additional yield, rokh also gets resistance bonus for shield resis...won*t prevent you from being ganked though...as for nullsec - decent...as for yield it comes pretty close to procurer (13,6 vs 14,2 m3/s). As for ISK efficiency price to benefits is pretty terrible. It costs as much as an exhummer however the yield is only one of the mining barge.
Nice one 👍🏿👍🏿
I saw in the community fit two fits for praxis the advantage is that you can jump to 10k m3 so 2 ventures cargo hold
This was the way to go in the beginning of Eve :-P There were no Miningships available.
For a bit cheaper, you can use a Talos which is also pretty good for this role. It can almost get 10m3/s with alpha skills.
Doesn't work the same.
I remember mining in the steel banana! Way back in the day. Before the Venture even existed. Before Alpha existed. It hasn't changed much. XD
This reminds me I saw a Praxis in a belt the other day mining lol.
once upon a time, in the early days of eve we didnt have mining ships.
No ventures, no skiffs.. not even an orca. if you wanted to mine you did it in a Rokh.
But the gankers cried to CCP about how miners were unkillable so we got a venture.
10+ years later its still a crap trade
I remember using a .. Tormentor? .. one of the "racial mining frigates" with a bonus to mining
.. then I figured out a Coercer fit with 3 beam lasers, 2 mining lasers, tractor beam and salvager in the highs
.. I mined into strings of giant secure containers I had anchored in the belts from my industrial
.. I had to later go out in my industrial to scoop the ore from the GSCs
then I met some people using barges .. back when the fit determined how much cargo space you had _( no ore hold at that time )_ . . the balance between cargo/yield and defense ... and the Procurer could only fit 1 strip miner
@@kazoosc Bloody hell, I had forgotten about the mining tormentor, 2008!. I still have my original retreiver, got it 2008(?). Almost never use it, because ugh. Mining.:( lol. For me i love the design of the various ORE/Industrial ships. The Noctis is a work of art.
Venture is pretty good for new players farming mining agents but straight up mining for profit it is dookey
oh yeah this was we used in nullsec mining fleet. 10-40 players mining apoc, 2 haulers and we get 1-3 belts per day
This is REALLY going back to EVE Online the Second Genesis. There were no barges and the current T1 logi frigates and cruisers were actually bonused for mining instead (a rebalancing changed them to logi). Mining in battleships was the norm back in the day.
Okay, I really need to comment some things here having mined a LOT in EVE back in the day before the fancy new Mining ships. Back then Apoc was the ONLY viable mining ship for serious miners.
And get that useless MWD off that mining ship right now! Such a waste of CPU and PG. If you are serious about actually mining you make bookmarks in the belts of a good mining system, and you warp straight to them. There is plenty of range on the mining lasers to cover big areas.
And can mining has always been a thing with an alt hauling to station. We even had to name the cans, I think with a bookmark with the time to make sure the active can was not despawning so you knew when to make a new one. At least until the Orca which again made everything easier for proper mining ops.
But fun video to watch, got all nostalgic about the old mining days. :) Great vids, keep'em coming! :)
My mining Rokh fits 8 mining lasers, has over 2600 m3 cargo, and has over 125k hitpoints. Also by way of a tip, rather than fit a MWD, fit a Jump Drive instead. This way just warp to 100kms of the belt, point at the desired roids and activate. Also allows a quick getaway if ganked.
hey could u somehow share the Fit?
Nice I was in fleet and guy was mining that way. Watch for some gankers with Miasmos hauler steal your cans...they can have crazy fits.
Jet can mining, ahhh, that takes me back :)
Thanks for the vid. Would recommend a Miasom for the hauling.
Anyone thinking of doing this today you can ditch the MWD by creating bookmarks (new location) with a frig. Something you want to do anyways to put yourself away from the drop in reducing a gank.
Back in the day when I did BS mining I had another account running a hauler. Back then mining could pay to plex your account in about a week. Though it's better just to pay for for one month with cash then to burn a week mining. Unless playing EVE is your job.
I miss Chribba and the veldnaught....
Awesome to see him in Amarr.
Is he still around? Havent seen him for ages.
It would be funny to bring such a ship to a mining fleet. I wonder how much the boosts would help.
Excellent idea for a video.
Hint hint
What boosts?
You came up with this idea? 2:02 My son.. we used Apoc's to mine in 2004.... 20 years ago my child.
It could be a great ship if you're in a fleet with Orca and compression. Might give it a try. 🙂
Apoc was the goto in the old days. But an even better alternative now is the Rokh i believe. 8 HP with 810CPU standard
as a completely new player, I'm sorry for stealing the cargo loots. I dumbass thought it's free supply around the base
Back in the day before mining ships, the mining BS was the Rokh..many in null used them. Today when I put my main into Alpha. I still mine in a Rokh in its "Permaband Skin"... High slots; 8 miners II, Rigs: 3x large cargo optimization I, Low; 4x Expanded cargo II, 1 mining laser upgrade II, Mid slots: 2x large shield Extender II, 2x multi-spectrum shield hardeners, 1xExplosive shield amplifiers, 1xEutectric compact Cap recharger.
Just for little protection. Drones faction 5x integrated Valkyrie again little protection, but the thing is change the low and mids to suit...Cargo size 3.988.5, Fully stable. Price 344mill subject to market prices. Love mining in her ;) yes take out couple of Canns for longer sittings.
When you enter a site having no propulsion book mark an asteroid in the centre of the cluster. warp out, warp back in on the book mark your next to the asteroids no propulsion needed. align to a station sit there till full. Or warp out if players show. The Wrecking Machine is your mining buddy ;)
Yeah, I got a rokh miner, same yield, twice the ehp (84.k) and cap stable without prop mod. My Abaddon has similar stats, 12.8 m3 per sec and 74k ehp. Thats as alpha and no implants :)
Strange that this popped up now again.
Have a friend that is still alpha mining in his praxis. And now with corp missions being rewarded its doing ok as well.
I can't believe all this time we've come full circle back to mining battleships
Yes, we did do this YEARS and years ago, before the venture was released.
I see your apoc and raise you praxis, better ore hold and you may even be able to beg your way into one as alot of people did just recently get them for free.
You don't want to use a micro warp-drive you can just walk to a asteroid belt and then save the location of the asteroids and then warped directly to them instead of flying back and forth
Next episode should be a rifter can flipping you while you go back to station and grab your caracal to gank his ass, but turns out his friend is in a falcon!
Jettison the mined ore and store it in the can. Have a hauler close in a station and haul it from time to time.
Anyone watching this should try it with the praxis, those special edition ships are best alpha shits for almost everything.
I did the same think in a Rohk and everybody laugh at me. :) But it was fun at all. :D
I feel Rokh is better for this purpose - has a slightly bigger CPU base and you can squeeze in some large shield extenders for extra protection. (and shields bring in even some passive regeneration)
Has smaller cargo hold though, but as you are throwing the ore away anyway...
Rohk was king miner back in the day.
Used to turn up at a belt, 30 rokhs popping rocks.
One wouldn't be like the others and when the gankers turned up Concord would have to save them.
Is this still viable, or better, than an optimised venture in 2023? considering a venture is considerably cheaper?
It's funny that Battleship mining use to be the only way to mine back in the day, and now it's the best method for Alpha clones to mine, times change but the players stay the same 🤣
An Apoc mining, just like the old days
I just went to join a null sec alliance, and think it sucks with a venture. Just have a stupid ratting apocalypse at my hanger. Thinking of using this later XD
This is how mining was done before any of the mining ships existed
If you were mining with a fleet you could jetcan and that could be viable but meh
go mine gas in wormhole, more rentable
Battleships were much cheaper back then and jet can mining was the only really efficient way, also I think the ore ships didn't have dedicated ore holds I remember having to still jetcan. I guess if you are a fighter and didn't want to use skill points or the time training mining ships, then a battleship could be the answer!!
Praxis is still the best Alpha miner. Shield tank, big cargo etc
Agree, I got my cargo hold to 10.8k, but no mining laser upgrades to help, I wanted a huge cargo hold.
Apoc was king of the mining battleships way back before barges.
How many ISK this cargo hold will get ? I get 4million in a venture on lowsec on a single trip, only with 2 drones for fight against guristas . Very low cost
it blows my mind that modern eve players dont know if they can dump ore into a jetcan. . .
(please dont "ok boomer" me)
ok boomer is dead
Excellent post, thank you for sharing.
Interesting. Can you fit some weapons on as well?
[Dominix, *Simulated Dominix Fitting]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Hobgoblin I x10
Acolyte I x10
Mining Drone I x10
Valkyrie I x10
Hammerhead I x10
Alpha players can't use mining drones.
When I started in 2009 I used my rokh to mine, has way more cpu.. hehe. Jet can mining died when gankers and baiters became mainstream. Amarr has a specific ore hauler
Very encouraging to play this game if as alpha you can't do much except spending your life to stare at pixels. :)
Put the wrecking machine skin on this and rock having 4 times the EHP (141k max skills) and mine a 19.2 vs 13.6, if you need to burn with a mwd you should bounce to a safe 200+ km away(make it on the warp in).
[Rokh, Miner Wrecking machine]
'Carpo' Mining Laser Upgrade
'Carpo' Mining Laser Upgrade
'Carpo' Mining Laser Upgrade
'Carpo' Mining Laser Upgrade
Co-Processor II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Multispectrum Shield Hardener II
100MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
ORE Miner
Large Processor Overclocking Unit II
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-602
new to the game. how did he get that Cargo hold. I can't find it on any of the ship upgrade screens
did you test this on an alpha to see how it works with the eng skills and other requirements i imagine you would need to skill into this using a skill plan
It's cool... but it would take a while to pay back the price of it xD
The cargo doesn't matter if you mine in a fleet
then it is better to use Rokh, so there is more CPU and the final exhaust is more
338 mil isk vs 3 million though for starting out you almost need to use the kryos or venture until you crack the half billion mark. imo
Isn't Miner II and Mining laser upgrade II omega locked too
Back to 2010?
You won't do such crazy experiments on your patients, will you? :-D
lol back in the day (2007-2008 time frameI did this in a Myrm.
Like eve in the old days... Back the all miners used apoc for mining 😂😂
I've mined in a Gnosis. A battleship is a bit expensive.
I use praxis for mining xD 9.9k m3 cargo
How is this the best mining ship for alpha? The cargo space is so low...
But unless you have a hauler or jet-can mine, OR have a fleet ship with a COMPRESSOR on it, you'll waste too much time flying back to dump the ore.
How its alpha if the modules are for Omega?
I used to use a naga to mine r64 when i was alpha is cheeper and since u still need to jeticson whit the apocalipse i think the naga is better
I'am wondering if a Vindicator would do better. :)
Sorry but the Praxis with 6 beams and Cargo hold fit will mine for longer. And is available from day 1 for an alpha. Training for a BS takes too long.
asking the real questions!
Well done!
And all that extra mining speed will be for not considering it takes you even longer now to get back to some sort of drop off point.
But the can!
@@Aceyface Yeah I used to fly in a mining fleet that had a "main orca guy" who would tractor your cans and give you the money right away
you forget vanture have 6000m capacity all the time you spend in traveling to the base it's just mine
what?
Do it in a Kestrel.
You can jettison into a can and it will allow 60k m3.
hey, if Alphas use Apocs ti mine with eventually Alphas will have access to mining barges. :) that is what happened las time.
Alphas cant use tractor units?
We all know that the best mining ship is an Avatar...
safety would like a word with you
bookmark the asteroids!
wouldnt the venture still be numero uno, the last time i ran it, burned through the 5k base ore cargo really fast.
I have a Megatron, could you send me the load out on it? Thank You!!!
Imagine getting 300mill isk in a ven ture with highsec mining just to buy a battleship to mine lol
sure thing bro lemme mine in a fat 300mil venture
you might need a new vagabond? haha
I hate it’s kinda actually viable
The most random video you ever posted. This only mine fast ,produce a lot of waste but lack ore cargohold. This will get yeeted by gankers easily and is very pricey.
you're cargohold is so small .venture has by default 5m3 ore hold as you know.
I unplex my main accont due to plex prices. i mine in a buffer full tank venture with t1 mining lasers. they create no waste. so you can keep warp to the same astroid with a ping.
mining is just passive afk income for me .
If you mine in a fleet that will buy your cans it's more profitable
mining with ship 300 m without any shield... easy gank
Your build is a bit unrealistic for a miner 'fresh' into this game. Unfortunately you are still looking at this from an omega account or a veteran alpha. Been playing since August and here is my fit based from your build here.
[Apocalypse, Bare Bones]
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Mining Laser Upgrade I
Co-Processor I
Co-Processor I
Co-Processor I
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
EP-S Gaussian Scoped Mining Laser
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I
Large Processor Overclocking Unit I x1
Yours mines at a rate of 768 per minute and has the costly miner II, whereas mine collects 584 using the cheaper EPS Gaussian with a longer range. My "bare bones" build in game cost just under 350 M ISK to build it. Cargo capacity is not an issue, as I can park an alt alpha in a Miasmos, where I plan to mine first, bookmark my location and safe logoff. Take this out to mine and as you stated, you don't need a big cargo hold, you jetcan all the ore until it reaches between 42 and 46 K. At that point you could continue mining or safe logoff and log back on as your Miasmos alt alpha.
Cons: Build cost, assuming you are making it to mine in low sec it will come under fire by rats. This will mean you will need to send out 5 hobs to clean them every 20 to 25 minutes. Anyone seeing you mining will probably attack this ship in the hopes of landing some cred. Personally I would rather lose 10 ventures in one day than this ship.
Pros: Unlikely anyone will come looking for what the battleship is doing. Anyone seeing you on dscan will assume you are hunting or ratting in low sec. My fit will fill a Miasmos in 70 to 80 minutes, while yours will take about 60 minutes. In the bigger picture there isn't that much of a time savings. However my fully fitted venture mines at a rate of 302 per minute and would take well over 2 hours.
While I did build this in the game for real and tested it out in low sec, I plan to stick with my cheap little ventures for mining kernite. I can use the ship better as a "jack in the box", as I plan to refit it to handle anyone bothering me. How? I safe log off in this ship (fitted for battle) and mine as my alt in low sec. If I come under attack, it will take a hot minute to log back into my battleship. Should they come looking for easy prey, they will be in for a big surprise!
😄 Thanks for the video +1
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