@@mannylugz5872 I believe that! You know who's not quick-tempered or in revenge mode?? All the Strongs - all 3 of them moved very quickly this last episode from quiet (or at least of few needed words) and (seemingly) competent side characters to right beside each of our 3 current main characters.
Colors are very important in this show. Alicent came in purposefully wearing the color green. The color of house Hightower. She's officially picked a side. She's been wearing black and red. The colors of house Targaryen. You'll see Rhaenyra wearing that from here on out.
@@nkxseal8398: Yep, literally exposition-style between Larys and Harwin. Also, it would have been just as good, if not better, if Larys' question wasn't answered, and thus prompted the viewers to conclude "green" themselves.
Why Alicent wearing a green dress is important: "This is the first time we see her in green, a color that is extremely important to House Hightower. As Larys and Harwin Strong explain, when Oldtown, the seat of House Hightower, calls its banners to war, the beacon at the top of the Hightower glows green. " It's her call to arms to her banner men.
It's more so Alicent making it clear what side she is faithful too, not an actual call to war. We see them in episode 6 which will be a decade later, and no war has broken out yet.
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And she's about to have Criston Cole in her service.
Our boys are usually pretty sharp, but I keep laughing at how often they have been misreading character intentions and missing the subtle plays going on in the show. I think the last few seasons of GoT made them forget just how quiet and subtle good politicking can be when a show doesn’t just spell out everyone’s motivations. It certainly doesn’t help them that they need to make entertaining reactions and thus are prone to missing important tidbits of dialogue, to be fair.
I agree, it is actually hard to watch these videos with them because they are looking annoyingly confused by this entire show, but they are totally missing what is going on.
Literally "pie faced" with the answers to their questions, and they are too busy asking the wrong questions to digest the right answers that were just fed to them. It's almost delicious. Normally, I'd tell someone to stand up because it's going over their heads, but they let this hit them in the face.
Agreed. I've been fine with the relatively short time skips, but that one is going to bite. Love these two actresses. Thankfully, it looks from the preview that we get them one more week, when I had thought this episode was their last.
@@Brontebabe You're right. I wasn't paying close enough attention. They look so young in the first scene in the trailer compared with photos of them late rin the season, I think my hope tricked me into seeing what wasn't there.
I do kinda love that the worst kind of woman Daemon can imagine was one that wouldn’t put up with his shit. Viserys lets his brother walk all over him, Rhaenyra’s wrapped around his finger, but Rhea won’t have _any_ of it and that makes Daemon lose his mind.
@@SpiralSine6 He had Rhea right where he wanted her tho.. by never getting in bed with her he ensured he would be the sole heir to her inheritance. All he had to do was to pick the right time to finish her off with no witnesses.
The only one who ever described her as ugly was Daemon. He was clearly lying at court in an effort to destroy her reputation. Rhea stood up to him, and Daemon doesn't want to be with someone that he cannot bend to his will.
Jay saying that weddings are so fun with a childish glee on his face while Adam just blankly stares into the camera knowing this is a GoT wedding and shit’s about to go downnn 😂😂
The thing is what Otto said is a real possibility and with Alicent truly alone she now has time to think for herself. When she sees that Rhaenyra is willing to lie to her over this and it is a lie that cost her father his position as well, she realizes that when the time comes she can't rely on Rhaneyra's word so she finally decides to commit to a side rather than trying to placate everybody.
Yeah, whether Alicent supports it or not people are going to rally to put her son on the throne and Rhaenyra has shown that she doesn’t particularly far about their friendship anymore
@@foulrot I thought she said she didn't ruin her "maidenhood" or some sort. I think she's clearly pissed because her father was cast out because she took rhaenyras side and she lied.
@@foulrot Rhaenyra is a liar, it's okay! We're not used to seeing women written honestly nowadays. But she's still a good character because she's layered.
@@foulrot She still lied by omission, which would be cause for concern from Alicent's point of view. Because she'd have to trust Rhaenyra's word that her son wouldn't be killed if there was ever any outcry for a different ruler, and the fact that Rhaenyra made that lie whilst swearing on her dead mother makes it even worse. She basically lost Alicent's trust, which was already starting to break with Otto's influential words about Rhaenyra potentially killing her brother. I honestly love the contrast of these two characters and I can understand how they'd eventually come to blows. It's so much more complex than how the book narrates it, which is understandable since it was written from an unreliable narrator's perspective.
We DID see Laenor's hall pass before they were rolling in the tall grasses together. They were playfully sparring together in the courtyard when the King and the Princess first arrived. Viserys and the hand were focused on why his former Master of Ships wasn't there to greet him, but Rhaenyra was focused on the interaction of the two young men and she seemed to guess at their true relationship. This is what led to her bringing up the whole goose v duck conversation in the first place.
The actor who plays King Viserys stated recently in an interview that his character is suffering from a form of non contagious leprosy. That's why people can touch him without getting infected otherwise Alicent would have it too by now. Alicent showing up in a green dress instead of her usual red & black (Targaryen house colors) is making a statement that she is now full on team Hightower. She is pissed that Rhaenyra lied to her about being a virgin still. This is basically her declaring war on Rhaenyra's claim as heir & she's now going to push her son's birthright to the Iron Throne because she knows most of the realm is behind Aegon II. Pay attention to how many people are or will soon start wearing green as a not so subtle way of showing where their support lies.
@@peepinR so we're just disregarding that Alicent also lied by omission for months to her friend about her maneuvers w Viserys? I think we call that hypocrisy, when we judge others by actions but ourselves by intention.
The conversation you have about chicken pheasant and duck... and then laenor and Rhaenyra have a conversation about goose and roast duck made me laugh so damn much
Adam @13:00 Calls it. Jay @20:35 (claps) "It's so fun!...Weddings are so fun!" Jay @23:25 [7 days of tournaments and feasting] (Jazz hands) "That sounds so fun!" Jay @ 26:26 "Let's hope people don't die." Jay @28:23 "Looks like I hate it"
The Queen arrived late in order to make a scene and was wearing green, the color her family shines from their tower when they go to war. She also nods to her Family giving the Signal that she is going to go to war for their interests and to pursue her Child to sit on the Throne.
It just sucks that all of this could've easily been avoided. Otto and Viserys created hell for their children and the Kingdom, then they blame the gods for it and expect their children to fix their mess. It's ridiculous.
@@unc54 conflict can't be totally avoided, that's true. But Viserys plays dumb ( or is really dumb) and defies traditions without thinking about the consequences and how to manage them once it blows up. Of course the lords of Westeros will be against her being his heir...so why doesn't he change the laws and puts together a system to ensure his word will be carried on. He has people he can trust ( surprisingly enough), like Rhaenys ( for obvious reasons). His word alone is not enough, he has to be smart about it. And as much as he defends Rhaenyra, he still holds traditions close to his heart in terms of male privilege. People are conspiring against his daughter and he willingly makes more children to challenge her succession in the future, mixing in the wrong family. Of course the lords will want his son to be the heir, regardless of promises they make. Then he blindly tells Rhaenyra to get married and have more children to " strengthen her claim" 😑.. male children who will either be put into place to rule instead of her or killed so they don't become heirs. She weakening her claim actually. Nobody will support Rhaenyra anyway. Otto basically sells his daughter into royalty and now warns her that her kids and herself will be killed when Rhaenyra becomes Queen...he put her in the position of lying to her friend to marry her father... but now it's her problem. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's ridiculous how these men create unnecessary problems for their own families for the sake of religion to justify pride. Not different from people in real life.
@TeleNuvem what is Viserys meant to do? Not remarry and have more children? That’s literally one of the main responsibilities of the king even Rhaenyra understands that And how is he meant to suddenly change the gender roles of an entire kingdom? He’s already doing more than any king has before him by making his daughter his heir and marrying her to the Velaryon’s is legitimately good for her claim
Alicent was declaring war by wearing Hightower green to the reception. Very subtle on the writer's part. She disrupted the King's speech announcing the union of Rhaenyra and Laenor, thus marking her intention to seat Aegon on the throne.
Technically, you have seen Laenor's boyfriend before. He was close to Laenor in the Stepstones, during the war council where he called his uncle "master of complaints". It's kinda like when we saw Harwin Strong quietly and quickly when he smiled when Rhaenyra returned from the hunt all bloody.
Wasn't that them sparring together in the courtyard when the King--and the Princess--first arrived? The camera showed her watching their interaction later in that scene and i think that's what made her release he likes goose rather than duck (or was it the other way around?).
I don't think it's really that Criston loves Rhaenyra so much that he fills incredibly guilty and shamed and, in his own words, he thinks that them getting married will restore some of that lost honor and relieve his guilt. It reads to me like a case where somebody who grew up in a very religious/fundamental household has sex outside of marriage and believes the only way to restore that sin is to marry the person they slept with.
You have a point, but I also think if she was actually in love with him, he would be able to rationalise it to himself medieval romance-style, but she makes it clear that he's just a friend with benefits and that's why he starts to feel used. I think it's interesting because this is a type of story beat usually reserved for female characters, but here the genders and power dynamics are flipped.
That was really funny. You guys were joking about talking over the Lannister dialog and then were super confused on why Alicent wasn't already there during Viserys' speech, but Jason Lannister's small exchange with the King implied that she was supposed to be there already which meant that she purposely arrived late to make her statement with her green dress. (This isn't criticism on the talking, love all your reactions. The timing was just too perfect/funny.)
I mean the guy has had to listen to her complain about her station and responsibilities and take every excuse to shun them for years and then was seduced into disrespecting the only bit of honour he had left by her, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable of him to expect she might go for it
@@jonasquinn7977 sure, what is unreasonable though is how he reacted to not getting what he wanted. If he had 2 functioning brain cells, he would have realized marriage was never there down the road with Rhaenyra. Also, seduced sure, but it's still a 50/50 responsibility split and he made his choice to sleep with her. Mans pathetic
@@stitchedfreedom 50/50?? She raped him!! the power difference between them is so huge, there is no way for him to consent. She literally holds his life in her hands, what would of happened to him if he’d said no? It was never even an option for him.
Remember this is based on medieval Europe. So breaking a Knight's oath IS a big deal, it's literally his honor and life, and touching the princess and future queen is an immediate death sentence. Game of Thrones and HOTD lives in a world in which faux pas literally means you'll die. So, killing someone at a wedding, no big deal, screwing the princess, death sentence.
So Ser Fuckboi caught feelings and got rejected. Now he's gonna be a big problem for Rhaenyra and an ally for Alicent. I knew he was sus from the beginning.
I think Alicent finding out Rhaenyra lied to her, and so convincingly, made her realising she have no one. Rhaenyra is apparently fine with lying to her, so she can't trust her, but she also realise that her father is being forced away by telling the truth. She now believed what her Otto told her just as he left, that her children aren't safe around Rhaenyra. Her husband will die soon, and he sent her father away, and her closest and only friend betrayed her. The green dress is her being only a Hightower, and declaring her own cold war on Rhaenyra, imo.
Ser Cristen is a grown man who slept with a teenage girl and made the choice to abandon his vow. And then to go to Alicent and tell on himself AND Rhaenyra. Up until that point no one knew and he could have gone on with his duties. Real simp behavior.
Tell me you don't understand medieval times without telling me you don't understand medieval times. Fictional or otherwise. Did he make all the wrong choices and is he letting his emotions dominate? Of course. But there's so much more to it than that shallow analysis.
Cole was able to walk away from the incident because the only one who can discipline or punish the kingsguard is the king. Not to mention the guy he killed held a way lower rank than him.
Alisent is now playing the GOT. After she finds out about her dad was right about the princess and who she sided with and found out lied to her face. Plus she has children who many see as the heirs to the throne. There will be war if the princess is made queen. Aliscent is now protecting her child's seat on the throne. Her turn in the story makes so much sense. She even saves Sir Christian from killing himself only to have him serve the queen as her ally against the princess who spurned his love. Oh the writing is on the wall, Alliances are being made for the long run. Game of Thrones INDEED
She didn’t actually find out the princess lied to her face. She learned nothing about her and Daemon, which is what she’d questioned Rhaenyra about. She never asked her if there was any other lover in her life. A lie of omission, maybe, but hardly on the level of Alicent spending months courting the King behind Rhaenyra’s back.
@@scarlettmi Exactly, Alicent asked a specific question and Rhaenyra smartly answered that exact question and nothing more. Alicent heard what she wanted to her.
I've seen a lot of people wonder how Ser Criston could get away with killing a man in broad day. Everyone forgets he's part of the Kingsguard which is like Westeros Secret Service and he was on duty. No one is going to question him
Remembering that the book fire and blood is narrated by dubious narrators The book is told by rumors and gossip so it is not reliable, in the book it says that Daemon never likes his wife he hates her the daemon was forced to marry his wife she it is not important in the story In the book there is nothing about her just that she is married to Daemon and that after a while the news comes from her that she died and that she died falling from the horse that is all that is said about the daemon's wife in the Book As I said,Daemon's wife is not important in the story,no one cares about her and the only thing to watch in the scenes when she talks about Daemon's wife is when Rhaenys says that Daemon's wife died,no one paid attention to the news she said That's because she's not important, in the books we don't know if it was the daemon who killed his wife because when she dies the daemon is in a war so we don't know if it was him, in the series they said it was the Daemon who killed his wife the daemon is not killing his wife because she had already lost the movement of her body So much so that he was leaving but the girl was very stupid she opened her mouth so he killed her, the scriptwriters are Ryan they said they said that Daemon is not the kill his wife if she didn't open her mouth, more like She opened her mouth so he'll kill her Being a Christian, if you soiled your white command, it was because you wanted to, because Rhaenyra didn't stick a knife in your neck and force you to do what you did, do you really think that, Rhaenyra? And give up everything just to be with him, my God, this girl is a princess she is heir to the throne she has her customs she is not one to give up everything to have a simple life, Rhaenyra is not in love with Christian she just wants to have fun she just wants sex that's all Christian you are very emotional you are very deluded you and stupid rhaenyra would never give up everything for you Christian you and only a knight have nothing to offer her
You guys discussing duck at the start of this episode was perfect. "Either way this really shouldn't be that big of a deal" To us it shouldn't, but in this world it is for Cristen. In this time Kingsguard have been killed for sleeping around and breaking their oaths, and he knows that. He really did put his life on the line by sleeping with Rhaenyra and now he's so guilty about it. That doesn't at all justify him blowing up the way he did, of course, but it does explain why it's so serious to him. The showrunners have said that Viserys has leprosy and not grayscale. "I instantly fear for his life" "Weddings are so fun!" "Let's hope people don't die" 😆
Y’all are wild. Alicent’s decisions and emotions made sense. She has been conditioned to believe that being a virgin for marriage is very important, and regardless if Rhaenyra slept with Daemon or not, she slept with someone. Alicent now knows Rhaenyra lied to her, and that broke her trust that they just started to mend. That and I feel she has some misguided resentment towards Rhaenyra for Otto being removed as hand. She was late to the wedding festivities because she wanted to be rude.
If they were smart they would take this series all the way to Roberts Rebellion when the Mad King was killed and Rhaegar died at The Trident. After all when they died that was ultimately the end of the Targaryen ruler ship in Westeros.
Cruise Anecdote #1: Themed cruises can be awesome. I went to Cancun in December 2012 and took a bus with a bunch of math nerds to stand on Mayan ruins on the day of the supposed Apocalypse, then got drunk to celebrate our continued existence. Cruise Anecdote #2: If you're prone to seasickness but only have to tolerate an hour or so of rough seas (as I did on ferries to/from the cruise proper), here's a protip: Pull up some music and start head-banging. If voluntary motion of your inner ear is much stronger than the involuntary motion, it can help a lot.
What a way to say goodbye to Milly Alcock as young Rhaenyra Targaryen and Emily Carey as young Alicent Hightower. Apparently, next week's episode is where we meet Emma D'Arcy as older Rhaenyra and Olivia Cooke as older Alicent respectively. Honestly, these reactions are my way of watching the show, and I've been enjoying the shit out of these videos/this series. Holy hell, is this show dope!
This whole universe is set on medieval history. This in comparison to what happened is light. What a person wears, how they address one another, who they spend more time with, that is them communicating. Watch how Daemon doesn't even bother to dance. He just walks on the dance floor to talk, its a character trait of how blunt and unsubtle he is. Allicent wearing green at a state event is her stating she is returning her loyalties to her family not her husband; calling upon those loyal to her family to be loyal to her family. I've been really enjoying the subtlety of this season as it builds to the brutality of a war. Remember earlier episodes when all the knights have 0 combat experience that's about to change 😆
I mean, if my best friend undermined all my efforts and lied to my face even when swearing on their dead mother while also getting my dad fired and expelled from the city, I'd be a bit mad aswell. Rhaenyras selfishness has fucked Alicent over like crazy, which is especially sour since Alicent has performed every duty possible while Rhaenyra has escaped from all of hears, even when Alicent and Viserys had put in alot of work to help her with the privileged opportunity to choose a suiter. To then also be faced with the fact that Rhaenyra will basically have to kill Alicents children to ever sit comfortably on the throne makes it even worse. What reason does Alicent have to tolerate Rhaenyra at all? What reason does she have to keep the secrets? Even now in this episode when Rhaenyra finally looks like she will perform her duty she teases Daemon to give her an excuse to escape from it again. Rhaenyra is not a good person, she lies to and uses everyone around her for selfish reasons. I think you're just being confused with the angle of the show with Rhaenyra as "the main character". She and Daemon might be a big focus but they are not good people. Otto never lied, Alicent has been very forgiving. Thats the thing about Lrys, the son of the new Hand, he wasn't makign Alicent believe the wrong thing, he was halper her see past the delusion she set up for herself to cope with the idea that ehr best friend would lie to her on such strong terms. None of these people around Alicent are making her believe things that didn't happen, they're making her realize the truth. Rhaenyra is the one who made Alicent believe in falsehoods, which caused her fatehr to be sent away.
Someone probably already said it but if not (Not a spoiler, just clarification) the King has Leprosy (It isn't Grey Scale). That's why he's got the lesions and the fingers coming off and such. Grey-Scale would spread more like a rash and overtake him. (He's also had this for years and years and years.)
Larys Strong did have a reason to cause chaos, he is the second son of a noble house, which means he stands to inherit little or nothing. Like Ser Otto Hightower, if he is to have any real power, he has to create it. As for Criston Cole, Rhaenyra isn't innocent in all this, but he had ample time to tell her no before their night together. He made the choice to sully his honor, and now seems to be cracking up because of it. Does he care about her, probably, but them running off together was more about him than her, he saw it as the only way to fix what he had done, if she was not the princess, he committed no sin.
It’s true that he told her no in the novella and lived. But, I think the show does better at making the point that Cole comes from nothing, by Westerosi standards. Rhaenyra couldn’t execute someone from a great House without controversy but she could have had Ser Criston executed with a finger snap. So, how did he know he’d even live through rejecting her? I do think he held a torch for her for a long time but it was also an unequal power dynamic. Saying no could get him killed.
I feel bad for Ser Criston but he got rejected...and immediately went to get himself killed by the Queen. I guess sometimes people's pride is worth more than their life.
@Leithrel This is why I don't feel sorry for him. It became all about him. His honor, his shame, his position. I don't think he even considered Rhaenyra when he made his proposal. I do think he cared for her but the main reason he wants to marry her is so that it wasn't all for nothing. So he can tell himself, yeah I broke my vows but it was worth it in the end. That's selfish IMO.
@@viktorstagnetti7491 They're equally to blame for creating this situation, imo, because Rhaenyra didn't consider that she was literally putting his life in danger by pulling him in her bed. Sure, he consented, so it's his fault as much as it is hers, but if word got out, he would be the only one to get punished since as a Targaryen she's basically untouchable and he has no important name to shield him from the fallout (like how Jaime was able to get away with a bunch of shit due to being a Lannister). The issue is that they were never quite on the same page about that night - Rhaenyra was just having fun without thinking of consequences because she was a horny teenager (understandable, I, too, was a teenager once), but for him it was obviously a big deal. He needs it to mean something. I think that if they were actually in love then he would be able to rationalise it to himself even if she did end up turning down his proposal anyway, but she makes it clear that she doesn't care for him in that way. He's just her friend with benefits. Hence the guilt and feeling used. It's interesting because this is essentially a story beat typically reserved for female characters, but the genders are flipped in this scenario.
@@viktorstagnetti7491 They're equally to blame for creating this situation, imo, because Rhaenyra didn't consider that she was literally putting his life in danger by pulling him in her bed. Sure, he consented, so it's his fault as much as it is hers, but if word got out, he would be the only one to get punished since as a Targaryen she's basically untouchable and he has no important name to shield him from the fallout (like how Jaime was able to get away with a bunch of shit due to being a Lannister). The issue is that they were never quite on the same page about that night - Rhaenyra was just having fun without thinking of consequences because she was a horny teenager (understandable, I, too, was a teenager once), but for him it was obviously a big deal. He needs it to mean something. I think that if they were actually in love then he would be able to rationalise it to himself even if she did end up turning down his proposal anyway, but she makes it clear that she doesn't care for him in that way. He's just her friend with benefits. Hence the guilt and feeling used. It's interesting because this is essentially a story beat typically reserved for female characters, but the genders are flipped in this scenario.
Were you guys really that confused about what Alicent was doing with her deliberate late appearance during her husband's speech and choice of wearing her family colors so strikingly? That was a declaration of war in case you were wondering. She's clearly decided, rightly or wrongly, that the only way to protect herself and her children is to start generating support for her son's claim to the throne in the wake of what she sees as Rhaenyra's betrayal. Men aren't the only ones who can play the game of thrones or even the ones who are usually the best at it.
17:41 Look at it through Allicent's POV. Her lifelong friend swore on her dead mother that she had no involvement with her uncle. She doesn't care about power. She never wanted any of it. But now she can't ignore her father's words of caution. That her and her children could be murdered for political convivence and to prevent war once Rhaenyra takes power. And now even if she tells her, she would be safe, she can't trust her. She can't take her at her word. She feels 100% betrayed in that scene.
Let’s say Rhaenyra was willing to neglect her duty as heir to the Iron Throne. Ser Cole is also asking her to abandon a dragon that is bonded to her when he asks her to run away with him.
@@havok6280: The dragons are military weapons, not pets. If Rhaenyra goes to another country, that nation now has that weapon, potentially. What’s certain is that Westeros will have one less dragon. They would let her leave with a dragon any more than Britain would let Princess Beatrice run off to live in Italy with her husband with one of its missiles. If Rhaenyra tried to take her dragon, they’d be hunted down and never have any peace. Viserys would have to do it.
Alicent did talk to Rhaenyra about the rumours surrounding her and daemon last episode. What she thinks now is that she was being lied to by Rhaenyra, who swore on her mother's memory that daemon did not touch her and that she hence was still a maiden, neither of which were true because she had had sex with Ser Criston Cole (something Rhaenyra also did not mention to her at the time even though it might have been important) and Alicent vouched for her, which led to the firing of her father. At that point it becomes harder for Alicent to think that there is a way for her and Rhaenyra to simply and honestly talk to each other in good faith. This friendship is now over in her mind. She has been a dutiful wife and done what everyone asked of her and she kind of envies Rhaenyra's freedom to do as she pleases so at this point she considers that it's enough: she will no longer be a pawn in other people's games (even though she ends up being just that, since Larys Strong was able to sow dissent).
We can't get too upset about the ceremony in a bloodstained room. Jackie Kennedy was covered in her husband's blood, holding a bible, when the VP was sworn in as President. The king knew he was failing. The ceremony was needed to keep the promise to his daughter.
Otto said to Allicent that Rhaenyra won't spare her children. She has to kill them to protect her and her children's claims. After the conversation with Cole, she knows Rhaenyra lied to her and used that lie to turn her father against Otto. She feels she can't trust anything Rhaenyra says and she's already started to plot against her. I hate Ser Cristen Cole after this episode.
The ending montage was my favorite scene of the series so far. Give me the aesthetics of the red hue of the weirdwood tree glowing in twilight, give me the flickering lights, give me the gloomy ambience of a GoT wedding with an equally gloomy soundtrack & it’s A1! The slightly overlooked heartfelt exchange Otto & Alicent had at the beginning was the most significant moment of the episode imo, other than Viserys dropping. Otto is right. You either hope for Rhaenyra’s mercy in the future or you act now. It's the Tywin Jaime "we can establish a dynasty that last a thousand years" moment. The wedding sets up the first chess pieces for Dance of Dragons. *Rhaenyra and Laenor were being told their wedding vows, but it was Alicent and Criston who were getting “married”.*
We've had the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding. I would call this the Green Wedding. The lines have been drawn, the combatants determined. Call your Banners, War is upon us!!
It is kind of funny that Daenerys and Khal Drogo probably had the most peaceful wedding in the series. Sure people died, but it wasn't the important characters.
To be fair, I think Alicent's "villain arc" here wasn't the result of a misunderstanding or lack of communication. She simply realized that Rhaenyra had DEFINITELY lied to her about still being a virgin (even swearing on her mother's memory!) and so she's feeling super-disillusioned about both their friendship AND the trustworthiness of the Targaryens in general (since it's also clear that the King sent the Plan-B Tea to help cover up her indiscretion, even while firing Otto for bringing it to his attention). Moreover, Alicent herself has been forced to seduce, marry, and sleep with a man old enough to be her father, yet she's honored her oaths and remained loyal and faithful to him despite her obvious misgivings. And now she finds out that the Targaryens don't hold themselves to that same honorable standard - not even her supposed best friend. She probably feels like she's been played for a fool, doubly so by thinking that at least everyone else was being equally strict and honest. In other words, none of these are things that would be fixed or mollified by her trying to talk things out with Rhaenyra. The trust between them has officially been broken, so Alicent has little reason to think that Rhaenyra will be honest with her if they talked, nor much reason to think that Rhaenyra can be trusted to take care of her in the future.
So I might be reiterating what others have said but there is no amount of conversations that would solve the conflict coming. The conversation with Alicent and her father explains the stakes. The lives of her children. The conversation between Ser Criston and Rhaenyra explains their mind sets. Criston is a very moral person. Honor is all he has. He raised himself from nothing to the kings guard. That is not lost on him. Now he has betrayed the oath he made. So he wants to run away and live a life with his love. Rhaenyra explains that the throne means more to her than anything. She is willing to forgo freedom and love for the power that the throne gives. That tells us as an audience that Alicent’s father was right to fear for his grand children. When Criston confess (which I agree was dumb) that tell Alicent that she can not trust Rhaenyra since she swore on her mother’s grave she did not lose her virtue. Which means her dads warning now rings true. So she wore the green dress to symbolize she is at war. This is at least what I got out of the episode.
I think Alicent went 180 because she realized that her kids & Rhenrys will always compete for the throne. So she might as well start training Aegon & campaign for his claim.
Her snaky father started the bad blood and poisoned her mind. I doubt Rhaenyria will order her son killed. All they have to do is bend the knee and swore allegiance to the queen. But no, Otto doesnt like that. It runs contrary to his own ambition.
@@DrHeroe Shes mad that her friend lied to her face while swearing on her dead mother, the same lie that got Alicents father sent away, the same lie that undermined Alicent and Viserys efforts to find Rhaenyra a suiter, a choice Rhaenyra was privileged to get yet she disgarded it. I don't understand what show you "shes just jealous" guys are watching. Have you paid attention? Are you all fooled by the Rhaenyra main character angle? She and Daemon have a big focus, but they're clearly not good people, and it's ruinign the lives of everyone around them. On top of all that now Alicents children will never be without a threat of assassination as long as Rhaenyra lives. Alicent has every right to be pissed, she doesn't have any reason to not spill the truth about Rhaenyra to the entire realm. Siding with Rhaenyra this far in the show means one of two things, you either don't pay attention, or your moral compass values selfishness above all.
@@vergil8833 jealous f Rhaenyras freedom since the beginning. Funny you just decided to ignore that Alicent betrayed her "friend" way before when she was seducing the King for months. She's living inside a prison she created for herself and she can't stand the fact her bestie is a truly free individual
@@DrHeroe How is that a betrayal? Her father is the king, the lady of Hightower is the most likely candidate in line, and it's not like that was Alicents choice either. It's what her father wanted, so since shes driven by duty she took that as an order. There has been absolutely nothing in the show indicating that Alicent wants what Rhaenyra has... Alicent has expressed loneliness, not a desire to run around in brothels. She hasn't expressed any such desires in the slightest. You're just misunderstanding their juxaposition. When the show shows their juxaposition like in episode 4 they're not saying that Alicent wants what Rhaenyra has. With Alicent they're showing the unhappiness that comes with serving only duty, and with Rhaenyra they're showing the harm that comes from too much self-indulgence. One is trapped by too much duty and one is too free from duty. They're not comparing their lives as if they want eachothers lives... You have somehow managed to misinterpret this, likely because you view everythign Rhaenyra does as good because shes like the main character, but it's not good, everything she does has very bad consequences regardless of modern ideas of romanticizing overindulgence and selfishness. It's not good. I do also wonder if this comes from you guys just not being used to female characters having deeper conflicts than toxic femininity AKA jealousy, spitefulness, grudgeholding and so on.
One of the things that HOTD done really well is lean into the language style. GOT got very modern with its dialect and I think that (along with other things) hurt the show. Rhys Infans speech about the future to Alicent is straight Shakespeare. 🔥🔥🔥
You guys do realize that Alicent talking to Rhaenyra will fix nothing, right? Alicent now knows the truth (that Rhaenyra is no maiden), and she also knows that she cannot trust Rhaenyra (because Rhaenyra lied to maintain that). Say Alicent confronts Rhaenyra about this. If Rhaenyra tells the truth, then she has to justify why she lied, and there is no right answer there. If Rhaenyra lies, then Alicent only has more evidence for why she cannot trust her. Further, Rhaenyra exploited their friendship not only to cover this lie, but also to get Alicent's father (and sole ally) expelled from the court. Her father is right. So long as Alicent's children are alive, they are a clear and present threat to Rhaenyra's rule; a daily challenge to her legitimacy. Alicent cannot trust that Rhaenyra will abide that.
But she didn’t lie completely.. at least as much as Alicent knows. Alicent was asking her if she slept with Daemon, which she didn’t. She never said specifically she was a maiden, Alicent just assumed that based on her denial re Daemon. However Alicent is a hypocrite considering her scheming to wed the King beings Rhaenyra’s back soooooo…
@@allison4516 A lie of omission is still a lie. The point of the conversation was about Rhaenyra's "virtue", and they both knew it. Saying, "well, technically you never asked about anyone else and all I did was let you assume the answer you wanted" would not be a good out for Rhaenyra. It would only hammer home how she abused Alicent's trust to save herself. In the end, Alicent betrayed her father for Rhaenyra and now knows she did so based on a fiction. Frankly, I think neither of them is pure (though Alicent never seemed like a willing participant in the king-seducing bit), but that's precisely why talking about it will not work. They have to be enemies because both are existential threats to eachother, and neither can trust the other enough to ensure their safety.
Otto wasn't dramatic, in history and westeros as well, when you ascend to the throne is normal to kill anyone who can claim your title, so if i was rhaenyra i would kill aegon i mean, Robert did the same when he won the civil war
That was a very important for coles character. Lorys boyfriend threatened Cole and Rayneara. So Cole got emotional. This show doesn't even need epic battle or dragons at the moment. You know a show is great when dialogue and drama alone can keep you intrigued
The MVP imo was Alicent, far and away, I think she had a great conclusion to her half-season arc after being framed as toothless and being shown to despise her position. And honestly? Very justifiable imo. Otto isnt wrong about Rhaenyra's safest path being to kill Alicent's children (Would Rhaenyra do it? Idk but thats the safe option). And after she learns that (from her pov) Rhaenyra lied to her and betrayed her, she finally has enough and acts. I love her taking agency for herself in a situation where she is afforded none and is expected to accept it, and she has done it to metaphorically declare war by wearing that bomb ass green dress to the feast, shedding her Targaryen coloured shackles. And then coldly calling Rhaenyra stepdaughter in greeting, oof.
6:53 Sadly Jay, Otto isn't being dramatic. Historically, this used to happen a lot when there were other claimants. Often they would go to war just to guarantee their own safety and only make peace when their safety was assured - one way or the other. Hell, they didn't even need to declare war to be a threat; in 1918, to the Russian Tsar's family were executed by the Communists because the other side in the civil war wanted to restore the monarchs to power. The Tsar had nothing to do with the civil war as he'd been under house arrest since before the war started. But because the mere threat existed - because someone else threatened to put them back on the thrown - the entire family was murdered. George RR Martin based these books on medieval England and back then, they did not mess around when it came to the throne
Criston is feeling far too much and thinking none at all. A lethal combination.
A criticism Littlefinger made more than once about the Starks.
@@steffurness Ooh, good point!
@@krd2331 "Quick tempers, slow minds." I think is how he calls it.
Criston allying with Alicent is not a good thing. His motivation from hereon is revenge.
@@mannylugz5872 I believe that! You know who's not quick-tempered or in revenge mode?? All the Strongs - all 3 of them moved very quickly this last episode from quiet (or at least of few needed words) and (seemingly) competent side characters to right beside each of our 3 current main characters.
Colors are very important in this show.
Alicent came in purposefully wearing the color green. The color of house Hightower. She's officially picked a side.
She's been wearing black and red. The colors of house Targaryen. You'll see Rhaenyra wearing that from here on out.
Daemon was the only one sitting while Alicent arrived in her green dress
I mean they explain exactly why she is wearing green I don't see the need to point it out again
@@nkxseal8398:
Yep, literally exposition-style between Larys and Harwin. Also, it would have been just as good, if not better, if Larys' question wasn't answered, and thus prompted the viewers to conclude "green" themselves.
@@hoon_sol Ya pointing out the color was kind of redundant
Why Alicent wearing a green dress is important: "This is the first time we see her in green, a color that is extremely important to House Hightower. As Larys and Harwin Strong explain, when Oldtown, the seat of House Hightower, calls its banners to war, the beacon at the top of the Hightower glows green. " It's her call to arms to her banner men.
It's more so Alicent making it clear what side she is faithful too, not an actual call to war. We see them in episode 6 which will be a decade later, and no war has broken out yet.
And she's about to have Criston Cole in her service.
@@EraseMemoriesHD She'll be at war with Rhaenyra. Not in the traditional sense of the word.
@@marcusmcgill4423 Exactly. It's more of a political war at the beginning before blowing out into an all-out physical war. A Dance of Dragons.
@@marcusmcgill4423 Yep thats what i said!! :)
Our boys are usually pretty sharp, but I keep laughing at how often they have been misreading character intentions and missing the subtle plays going on in the show. I think the last few seasons of GoT made them forget just how quiet and subtle good politicking can be when a show doesn’t just spell out everyone’s motivations. It certainly doesn’t help them that they need to make entertaining reactions and thus are prone to missing important tidbits of dialogue, to be fair.
I agree, it is actually hard to watch these videos with them because they are looking annoyingly confused by this entire show, but they are totally missing what is going on.
you guys talking over the dialogue that explained the thing you ranted about in the next scene is what makes this channel great 😂
Literally "pie faced" with the answers to their questions, and they are too busy asking the wrong questions to digest the right answers that were just fed to them. It's almost delicious. Normally, I'd tell someone to stand up because it's going over their heads, but they let this hit them in the face.
It's like watching it with friends🤣
More like annoying
I think they understand the scene better than most
Daemons Uno Reverse on that Royce-guy was hilarious.
Immediately became my favorite character because of this
Lol yes
Man, it sucks that we're losing Milly Alcock and Emily Carey. They CRUSHED it in their short run in the whacky Westerosi world.
apparently back next season
Unavoidable due to a ~10 year time skip, unfortunately.
Agreed. I've been fine with the relatively short time skips, but that one is going to bite. Love these two actresses. Thankfully, it looks from the preview that we get them one more week, when I had thought this episode was their last.
@@kjaime7030 this episode is their last.
@@Brontebabe You're right. I wasn't paying close enough attention. They look so young in the first scene in the trailer compared with photos of them late rin the season, I think my hope tricked me into seeing what wasn't there.
Weddings and Joffreys are a lethal combination. Noted ✅️
Best description of Criston Cole from ASOIAF book fandom is that he's a Disney Prince who somehow wandered into Westeros.
😂
"Let's hope people don't die." - Famous last words in Westerosi weddings.
So Daemon's "ugly" wife is a freaking 10. Dude.
I do kinda love that the worst kind of woman Daemon can imagine was one that wouldn’t put up with his shit. Viserys lets his brother walk all over him, Rhaenyra’s wrapped around his finger, but Rhea won’t have _any_ of it and that makes Daemon lose his mind.
@@SpiralSine6 He had Rhea right where he wanted her tho.. by never getting in bed with her he ensured he would be the sole heir to her inheritance. All he had to do was to pick the right time to finish her off with no witnesses.
The only one who ever described her as ugly was Daemon. He was clearly lying at court in an effort to destroy her reputation. Rhea stood up to him, and Daemon doesn't want to be with someone that he cannot bend to his will.
Daemon clearly has a type. Pay attention to the woman he flirts with in this episode. The man likes blondes.
Daemon only finds blonde women attractive
"SHAPE UP SER CRISTEN!" 🤣bro folded like an accordion
Jay saying that weddings are so fun with a childish glee on his face while Adam just blankly stares into the camera knowing this is a GoT wedding and shit’s about to go downnn 😂😂
The thing is what Otto said is a real possibility and with Alicent truly alone she now has time to think for herself. When she sees that Rhaenyra is willing to lie to her over this and it is a lie that cost her father his position as well, she realizes that when the time comes she can't rely on Rhaneyra's word so she finally decides to commit to a side rather than trying to placate everybody.
Technically Rhaenyra never flat out lied to Alicent; she said that she didn't sleep with Daemon, she never said she didn't sleep with anyone else.
Yeah, whether Alicent supports it or not people are going to rally to put her son on the throne and Rhaenyra has shown that she doesn’t particularly far about their friendship anymore
@@foulrot I thought she said she didn't ruin her "maidenhood" or some sort. I think she's clearly pissed because her father was cast out because she took rhaenyras side and she lied.
@@foulrot Rhaenyra is a liar, it's okay! We're not used to seeing women written honestly nowadays. But she's still a good character because she's layered.
@@foulrot She still lied by omission, which would be cause for concern from Alicent's point of view. Because she'd have to trust Rhaenyra's word that her son wouldn't be killed if there was ever any outcry for a different ruler, and the fact that Rhaenyra made that lie whilst swearing on her dead mother makes it even worse. She basically lost Alicent's trust, which was already starting to break with Otto's influential words about Rhaenyra potentially killing her brother.
I honestly love the contrast of these two characters and I can understand how they'd eventually come to blows. It's so much more complex than how the book narrates it, which is understandable since it was written from an unreliable narrator's perspective.
We DID see Laenor's hall pass before they were rolling in the tall grasses together. They were playfully sparring together in the courtyard when the King and the Princess first arrived. Viserys and the hand were focused on why his former Master of Ships wasn't there to greet him, but Rhaenyra was focused on the interaction of the two young men and she seemed to guess at their true relationship. This is what led to her bringing up the whole goose v duck conversation in the first place.
Additionally, Laenor had a few lines at the war council at the Stepstones in episode 3.
@@McaPhoo not just Laenor. Joffrey was at the Stepstones war council as well.
She didn't have to guess. They grew up together. She knew he's gay.
The actor who plays King Viserys stated recently in an interview that his character is suffering from a form of non contagious leprosy. That's why people can touch him without getting infected otherwise Alicent would have it too by now.
Alicent showing up in a green dress instead of her usual red & black (Targaryen house colors) is making a statement that she is now full on team Hightower. She is pissed that Rhaenyra lied to her about being a virgin still. This is basically her declaring war on Rhaenyra's claim as heir & she's now going to push her son's birthright to the Iron Throne because she knows most of the realm is behind Aegon II. Pay attention to how many people are or will soon start wearing green as a not so subtle way of showing where their support lies.
Technically Rhaenyra never said she was still a virgin, she just said that her and Daemon didn't do anything.
@@foulrot I've been a bit dumbfounded how few have made this distinction.
Swearing on your dead mother about it didn't help. So now Alicent knows she can't trust her former best friend.
@@peepinR so we're just disregarding that Alicent also lied by omission for months to her friend about her maneuvers w Viserys? I think we call that hypocrisy, when we judge others by actions but ourselves by intention.
She told Allicent that she was still a Maiden.
The conversation you have about chicken pheasant and duck... and then laenor and Rhaenyra have a conversation about goose and roast duck made me laugh so damn much
'think I'll have two chickens....
The moment they had that conversation in the beginning I was like OH MAN HOW PERFECT 🤣
Hound and Viserys would have became BFFs. They both like chicken.
Adam @13:00 Calls it.
Jay @20:35 (claps) "It's so fun!...Weddings are so fun!"
Jay @23:25 [7 days of tournaments and feasting] (Jazz hands) "That sounds so fun!"
Jay @ 26:26 "Let's hope people don't die."
Jay @28:23 "Looks like I hate it"
I lol'd when Jay sang 😂😂
The Queen arrived late in order to make a scene and was wearing green, the color her family shines from their tower when they go to war. She also nods to her Family giving the Signal that she is going to go to war for their interests and to pursue her Child to sit on the Throne.
It just sucks that all of this could've easily been avoided. Otto and Viserys created hell for their children and the Kingdom, then they blame the gods for it and expect their children to fix their mess. It's ridiculous.
Sounds like a lot of parents lol
I don't think it's really that simple. No matter which solution you go with it leads to civil war.
@@d3l3tes00n 😂😂🤣😂. It definitely does. I can relate 😑
@@unc54 conflict can't be totally avoided, that's true. But Viserys plays dumb ( or is really dumb) and defies traditions without thinking about the consequences and how to manage them once it blows up. Of course the lords of Westeros will be against her being his heir...so why doesn't he change the laws and puts together a system to ensure his word will be carried on. He has people he can trust ( surprisingly enough), like Rhaenys ( for obvious reasons). His word alone is not enough, he has to be smart about it. And as much as he defends Rhaenyra, he still holds traditions close to his heart in terms of male privilege. People are conspiring against his daughter and he willingly makes more children to challenge her succession in the future, mixing in the wrong family. Of course the lords will want his son to be the heir, regardless of promises they make. Then he blindly tells Rhaenyra to get married and have more children to " strengthen her claim" 😑.. male children who will either be put into place to rule instead of her or killed so they don't become heirs. She weakening her claim actually. Nobody will support Rhaenyra anyway. Otto basically sells his daughter into royalty and now warns her that her kids and herself will be killed when Rhaenyra becomes Queen...he put her in the position of lying to her friend to marry her father... but now it's her problem. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's ridiculous how these men create unnecessary problems for their own families for the sake of religion to justify pride. Not different from people in real life.
@TeleNuvem what is Viserys meant to do? Not remarry and have more children? That’s literally one of the main responsibilities of the king even Rhaenyra understands that
And how is he meant to suddenly change the gender roles of an entire kingdom? He’s already doing more than any king has before him by making his daughter his heir and marrying her to the Velaryon’s is legitimately good for her claim
"Oops, we talked over the dialogue"... "Where the heck was the Queen, why wasn't she there, we don't understand!"
Hahaha! Deadly!
😂🤣😂
Alicent was declaring war by wearing Hightower green to the reception. Very subtle on the writer's part. She disrupted the King's speech announcing the union of Rhaenyra and Laenor, thus marking her intention to seat Aegon on the throne.
How is it subtle when Larys spells it out explicitly?
Technically, you have seen Laenor's boyfriend before. He was close to Laenor in the Stepstones, during the war council where he called his uncle "master of complaints". It's kinda like when we saw Harwin Strong quietly and quickly when he smiled when Rhaenyra returned from the hunt all bloody.
Wasn't that them sparring together in the courtyard when the King--and the Princess--first arrived? The camera showed her watching their interaction later in that scene and i think that's what made her release he likes goose rather than duck (or was it the other way around?).
@@kjaime7030 True, but I'm referring to him having appeared in a previous episode instead of just earlier in this one.
@@kjaime7030 they both like duck.
I don't think it's really that Criston loves Rhaenyra so much that he fills incredibly guilty and shamed and, in his own words, he thinks that them getting married will restore some of that lost honor and relieve his guilt. It reads to me like a case where somebody who grew up in a very religious/fundamental household has sex outside of marriage and believes the only way to restore that sin is to marry the person they slept with.
You have a point, but I also think if she was actually in love with him, he would be able to rationalise it to himself medieval romance-style, but she makes it clear that he's just a friend with benefits and that's why he starts to feel used. I think it's interesting because this is a type of story beat usually reserved for female characters, but here the genders and power dynamics are flipped.
Adam is having an entire FIT over Cristen blabbing on himself and I LIIIIIIIIVE!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
That was really funny. You guys were joking about talking over the Lannister dialog and then were super confused on why Alicent wasn't already there during Viserys' speech, but Jason Lannister's small exchange with the King implied that she was supposed to be there already which meant that she purposely arrived late to make her statement with her green dress.
(This isn't criticism on the talking, love all your reactions. The timing was just too perfect/funny.)
Did Criston just ask her to give up her inheritance to sail around the world on a fruit boat? 😂😂
Fruit AND spice 🤷🏾♂️
I mean the guy has had to listen to her complain about her station and responsibilities and take every excuse to shun them for years and then was seduced into disrespecting the only bit of honour he had left by her, I don’t think it’s completely unreasonable of him to expect she might go for it
@@jonasquinn7977 sure, what is unreasonable though is how he reacted to not getting what he wanted. If he had 2 functioning brain cells, he would have realized marriage was never there down the road with Rhaenyra. Also, seduced sure, but it's still a 50/50 responsibility split and he made his choice to sleep with her. Mans pathetic
@@stitchedfreedom 50/50?? She raped him!! the power difference between them is so huge, there is no way for him to consent. She literally holds his life in her hands, what would of happened to him if he’d said no? It was never even an option for him.
He loved her, didn't he?
Problem is he was naive to think she loved him too, but she did not.
Remember this is based on medieval Europe. So breaking a Knight's oath IS a big deal, it's literally his honor and life, and touching the princess and future queen is an immediate death sentence.
Game of Thrones and HOTD lives in a world in which faux pas literally means you'll die.
So, killing someone at a wedding, no big deal, screwing the princess, death sentence.
So Ser Fuckboi caught feelings and got rejected. Now he's gonna be a big problem for Rhaenyra and an ally for Alicent. I knew he was sus from the beginning.
*_«It's the peppermint gang...»_*
Oddly unintentionally accurate statement.
You guys totally misunderstood what was going on with her coming in late with the green dress. Rewatch the scene.
They already confirmed in an interview it's a form of leprosis that the King has not grey scale
A wedding without at least three deaths is considered a dull affair...
We were so close, then Alicent had to stop Cole. The Dothraki emissary is so disappointed.
I think Alicent finding out Rhaenyra lied to her, and so convincingly, made her realising she have no one. Rhaenyra is apparently fine with lying to her, so she can't trust her, but she also realise that her father is being forced away by telling the truth. She now believed what her Otto told her just as he left, that her children aren't safe around Rhaenyra. Her husband will die soon, and he sent her father away, and her closest and only friend betrayed her. The green dress is her being only a Hightower, and declaring her own cold war on Rhaenyra, imo.
Good points all
Alicent lied to Rhaenyra about meeting with Viserys for 6 months. She's able to see other people's faults, but not her own
@@youtubehandle83 She was told to keep quiet by the King himself (because Rhaenyra "wouldnt understand"
When Jay said, "...The Musical," all I could think was Ser Criston singing, with a bloodied gauntlet, "I could do this all DAAAAY!"
laughs about talking over the bit discussing why the queen wasn't there.
confused about why the queen wasn't already there.
lol.
this one should have been titled: Loose Lips Sink Ships!
Ser Cristen is a grown man who slept with a teenage girl and made the choice to abandon his vow. And then to go to Alicent and tell on himself AND Rhaenyra. Up until that point no one knew and he could have gone on with his duties. Real simp behavior.
Tell me you don't understand medieval times without telling me you don't understand medieval times. Fictional or otherwise.
Did he make all the wrong choices and is he letting his emotions dominate? Of course. But there's so much more to it than that shallow analysis.
Also, I think Larys Strong is like little finger- “chaos is a latter”
Littlefinger + Varys = Larys
Just that hes going against the liars rather than covering for them, nudging people to discover their lies instead.
Cole was able to walk away from the incident because the only one who can discipline or punish the kingsguard is the king. Not to mention the guy he killed held a way lower rank than him.
Ahh, my two rays of sunshine.
Alisent is now playing the GOT. After she finds out about her dad was right about the princess and who she sided with and found out lied to her face. Plus she has children who many see as the heirs to the throne. There will be war if the princess is made queen. Aliscent is now protecting her child's seat on the throne. Her turn in the story makes so much sense. She even saves Sir Christian from killing himself only to have him serve the queen as her ally against the princess who spurned his love. Oh the writing is on the wall, Alliances are being made for the long run. Game of Thrones INDEED
She didn’t actually find out the princess lied to her face. She learned nothing about her and Daemon, which is what she’d questioned Rhaenyra about. She never asked her if there was any other lover in her life. A lie of omission, maybe, but hardly on the level of Alicent spending months courting the King behind Rhaenyra’s back.
@@scarlettmi Exactly, Alicent asked a specific question and Rhaenyra smartly answered that exact question and nothing more. Alicent heard what she wanted to her.
Due to her recklessness rhenerya made her own enemies trying to live like her crazy uncle who everyone hates .
Cole out here catching feelings... city boys we took a L on this one
Please start a food channel. I just need a channel of jay feeding Adam food he’s never had.
Lolll yes
Whats the title of the music Jay sings when Ser Criston punches Lonmouth relentlessly?
If you like the Lord Commander's voice, the 'cut of his jib' lol, you should watch Outlander. He's in that, along with a lot of other Scots.
Ser criston:"Knight of kisses huh? Kiss these hands "
I've seen a lot of people wonder how Ser Criston could get away with killing a man in broad day. Everyone forgets he's part of the Kingsguard which is like Westeros Secret Service and he was on duty. No one is going to question him
The Green Wedding. Laenor's lover tried to play the game but, when you play the Game of Thrones you win or you die.
16:29 This is where it all falls apart, Alicent should've said her intentions straight on point! 😮😖🥴😭😤🔥
Remembering that the book fire and blood is narrated by dubious narrators The book is told by rumors and gossip so it is not reliable, in the book it says that Daemon never likes his wife he hates her the daemon was forced to marry his wife she it is not important in the story In the book there is nothing about her just that she is married to Daemon and that after a while the news comes from her that she died and that she died falling from the horse that is all that is said about the daemon's wife in the Book
As I said,Daemon's wife is not important in the story,no one cares about her and the only thing to watch in the scenes when she talks about Daemon's wife is when Rhaenys says that Daemon's wife died,no one paid attention to the news she said That's because she's not important, in the books we don't know if it was the daemon who killed his wife because when she dies the daemon is in a war so we don't know if it was him, in the series they said it was the Daemon who killed his wife the daemon is not killing his wife because she had already lost the movement of her body So much so that he was leaving but the girl was very stupid she opened her mouth so he killed her, the scriptwriters are Ryan they said they said that Daemon is not the kill his wife if she didn't open her mouth, more like She opened her mouth so he'll kill her
Being a Christian, if you soiled your white command, it was because you wanted to, because Rhaenyra didn't stick a knife in your neck and force you to do what you did, do you really think that, Rhaenyra? And give up everything just to be with him, my God, this girl is a princess she is heir to the throne she has her customs she is not one to give up everything to have a simple life, Rhaenyra is not in love with Christian she just wants to have fun she just wants sex that's all Christian you are very emotional you are very deluded you and stupid rhaenyra would never give up everything for you Christian you and only a knight have nothing to offer her
You guys discussing duck at the start of this episode was perfect.
"Either way this really shouldn't be that big of a deal" To us it shouldn't, but in this world it is for Cristen. In this time Kingsguard have been killed for sleeping around and breaking their oaths, and he knows that. He really did put his life on the line by sleeping with Rhaenyra and now he's so guilty about it. That doesn't at all justify him blowing up the way he did, of course, but it does explain why it's so serious to him.
The showrunners have said that Viserys has leprosy and not grayscale.
"I instantly fear for his life" "Weddings are so fun!" "Let's hope people don't die" 😆
The duck conversation before the episode, lol.
Viserys doesn't have grey scale. It's been noted he has leprosy or a form of it.
Never go to a wedding in Westeros. Someone always dies.
Y’all are wild. Alicent’s decisions and emotions made sense. She has been conditioned to believe that being a virgin for marriage is very important, and regardless if Rhaenyra slept with Daemon or not, she slept with someone. Alicent now knows Rhaenyra lied to her, and that broke her trust that they just started to mend. That and I feel she has some misguided resentment towards Rhaenyra for Otto being removed as hand.
She was late to the wedding festivities because she wanted to be rude.
If they were smart they would take this series all the way to Roberts Rebellion when the Mad King was killed and Rhaegar died at The Trident. After all when they died that was ultimately the end of the Targaryen ruler ship in Westeros.
Ser Criston caved like....something that caves.😄
Caved like Joffrey‘s skull?
Cruise Anecdote #1: Themed cruises can be awesome. I went to Cancun in December 2012 and took a bus with a bunch of math nerds to stand on Mayan ruins on the day of the supposed Apocalypse, then got drunk to celebrate our continued existence.
Cruise Anecdote #2: If you're prone to seasickness but only have to tolerate an hour or so of rough seas (as I did on ferries to/from the cruise proper), here's a protip: Pull up some music and start head-banging. If voluntary motion of your inner ear is much stronger than the involuntary motion, it can help a lot.
What a way to say goodbye to Milly Alcock as young Rhaenyra Targaryen and Emily Carey as young Alicent Hightower.
Apparently, next week's episode is where we meet Emma D'Arcy as older Rhaenyra and Olivia Cooke as older Alicent respectively.
Honestly, these reactions are my way of watching the show, and I've been enjoying the shit out of these videos/this series. Holy hell, is this show dope!
This whole universe is set on medieval history. This in comparison to what happened is light. What a person wears, how they address one another, who they spend more time with, that is them communicating. Watch how Daemon doesn't even bother to dance. He just walks on the dance floor to talk, its a character trait of how blunt and unsubtle he is. Allicent wearing green at a state event is her stating she is returning her loyalties to her family not her husband; calling upon those loyal to her family to be loyal to her family. I've been really enjoying the subtlety of this season as it builds to the brutality of a war.
Remember earlier episodes when all the knights have 0 combat experience that's about to change 😆
I mean, if my best friend undermined all my efforts and lied to my face even when swearing on their dead mother while also getting my dad fired and expelled from the city, I'd be a bit mad aswell. Rhaenyras selfishness has fucked Alicent over like crazy, which is especially sour since Alicent has performed every duty possible while Rhaenyra has escaped from all of hears, even when Alicent and Viserys had put in alot of work to help her with the privileged opportunity to choose a suiter.
To then also be faced with the fact that Rhaenyra will basically have to kill Alicents children to ever sit comfortably on the throne makes it even worse. What reason does Alicent have to tolerate Rhaenyra at all? What reason does she have to keep the secrets? Even now in this episode when Rhaenyra finally looks like she will perform her duty she teases Daemon to give her an excuse to escape from it again. Rhaenyra is not a good person, she lies to and uses everyone around her for selfish reasons.
I think you're just being confused with the angle of the show with Rhaenyra as "the main character". She and Daemon might be a big focus but they are not good people. Otto never lied, Alicent has been very forgiving.
Thats the thing about Lrys, the son of the new Hand, he wasn't makign Alicent believe the wrong thing, he was halper her see past the delusion she set up for herself to cope with the idea that ehr best friend would lie to her on such strong terms. None of these people around Alicent are making her believe things that didn't happen, they're making her realize the truth. Rhaenyra is the one who made Alicent believe in falsehoods, which caused her fatehr to be sent away.
The Lanister quip A&J talked over w/ GOT Top Gun was funny though, hope you guys rewatched it while editing.
Someone probably already said it but if not (Not a spoiler, just clarification) the King has Leprosy (It isn't Grey Scale). That's why he's got the lesions and the fingers coming off and such. Grey-Scale would spread more like a rash and overtake him. (He's also had this for years and years and years.)
Larys Strong did have a reason to cause chaos, he is the second son of a noble house, which means he stands to inherit little or nothing. Like Ser Otto Hightower, if he is to have any real power, he has to create it. As for Criston Cole, Rhaenyra isn't innocent in all this, but he had ample time to tell her no before their night together. He made the choice to sully his honor, and now seems to be cracking up because of it. Does he care about her, probably, but them running off together was more about him than her, he saw it as the only way to fix what he had done, if she was not the princess, he committed no sin.
It’s true that he told her no in the novella and lived. But, I think the show does better at making the point that Cole comes from nothing, by Westerosi standards. Rhaenyra couldn’t execute someone from a great House without controversy but she could have had Ser Criston executed with a finger snap. So, how did he know he’d even live through rejecting her? I do think he held a torch for her for a long time but it was also an unequal power dynamic. Saying no could get him killed.
I feel bad for Ser Criston but he got rejected...and immediately went to get himself killed by the Queen. I guess sometimes people's pride is worth more than their life.
I think it's more of an honor thing lol
@Leithrel This is why I don't feel sorry for him. It became all about him. His honor, his shame, his position. I don't think he even considered Rhaenyra when he made his proposal. I do think he cared for her but the main reason he wants to marry her is so that it wasn't all for nothing. So he can tell himself, yeah I broke my vows but it was worth it in the end. That's selfish IMO.
@@viktorstagnetti7491 They're equally to blame for creating this situation, imo, because Rhaenyra didn't consider that she was literally putting his life in danger by pulling him in her bed. Sure, he consented, so it's his fault as much as it is hers, but if word got out, he would be the only one to get punished since as a Targaryen she's basically untouchable and he has no important name to shield him from the fallout (like how Jaime was able to get away with a bunch of shit due to being a Lannister).
The issue is that they were never quite on the same page about that night - Rhaenyra was just having fun without thinking of consequences because she was a horny teenager (understandable, I, too, was a teenager once), but for him it was obviously a big deal. He needs it to mean something. I think that if they were actually in love then he would be able to rationalise it to himself even if she did end up turning down his proposal anyway, but she makes it clear that she doesn't care for him in that way. He's just her friend with benefits. Hence the guilt and feeling used. It's interesting because this is essentially a story beat typically reserved for female characters, but the genders are flipped in this scenario.
@@viktorstagnetti7491 They're equally to blame for creating this situation, imo, because Rhaenyra didn't consider that she was literally putting his life in danger by pulling him in her bed. Sure, he consented, so it's his fault as much as it is hers, but if word got out, he would be the only one to get punished since as a Targaryen she's basically untouchable and he has no important name to shield him from the fallout (like how Jaime was able to get away with a bunch of shit due to being a Lannister).
The issue is that they were never quite on the same page about that night - Rhaenyra was just having fun without thinking of consequences because she was a horny teenager (understandable, I, too, was a teenager once), but for him it was obviously a big deal. He needs it to mean something. I think that if they were actually in love then he would be able to rationalise it to himself even if she did end up turning down his proposal anyway, but she makes it clear that she doesn't care for him in that way. He's just her friend with benefits. Hence the guilt and feeling used. It's interesting because this is essentially a story beat typically reserved for female characters, but the genders are flipped in this scenario.
Were you guys really that confused about what Alicent was doing with her deliberate late appearance during her husband's speech and choice of wearing her family colors so strikingly? That was a declaration of war in case you were wondering. She's clearly decided, rightly or wrongly, that the only way to protect herself and her children is to start generating support for her son's claim to the throne in the wake of what she sees as Rhaenyra's betrayal.
Men aren't the only ones who can play the game of thrones or even the ones who are usually the best at it.
We said goodbye to two Joeffrey's in two weddings
17:41 Look at it through Allicent's POV. Her lifelong friend swore on her dead mother that she had no involvement with her uncle. She doesn't care about power. She never wanted any of it. But now she can't ignore her father's words of caution. That her and her children could be murdered for political convivence and to prevent war once Rhaenyra takes power. And now even if she tells her, she would be safe, she can't trust her. She can't take her at her word. She feels 100% betrayed in that scene.
Not finished watching yet, but I love that Adam accidentally said "Ahsking" to mimic Rhaenyra's accent.
Totally accidental, but heard it when I was editing. I love her accent.
oh nooo how could you cut out matt's smith perfect delivery of "I'm positively bereft", made me laugh so hard when I first watched the episode
The writers confirmed in an interview, I believe, that King Viserys has some kind of leprosy. Dude's literally rotting to death.
Let’s say Rhaenyra was willing to neglect her duty as heir to the Iron Throne. Ser Cole is also asking her to abandon a dragon that is bonded to her when he asks her to run away with him.
True!
Why would she have to abandon her dragon? She wouldn't be the first Targaryen princess to flee with her dragon.
@@havok6280: The dragons are military weapons, not pets. If Rhaenyra goes to another country, that nation now has that weapon, potentially.
What’s certain is that Westeros will have one less dragon. They would let her leave with a dragon any more than Britain would let Princess Beatrice run off to live in Italy with her husband with one of its missiles.
If Rhaenyra tried to take her dragon, they’d be hunted down and never have any peace. Viserys would have to do it.
Criston should have kept his mouth shut. And him killing Laenor's boyfriend was unnecessary and cruel. Righteous men are dangerous.
A matter of Taste. "Snails and Oysters" - Laurence Olivier & Tony Curtis in 'Spartacus'
Alicent did talk to Rhaenyra about the rumours surrounding her and daemon last episode. What she thinks now is that she was being lied to by Rhaenyra, who swore on her mother's memory that daemon did not touch her and that she hence was still a maiden, neither of which were true because she had had sex with Ser Criston Cole (something Rhaenyra also did not mention to her at the time even though it might have been important) and Alicent vouched for her, which led to the firing of her father. At that point it becomes harder for Alicent to think that there is a way for her and Rhaenyra to simply and honestly talk to each other in good faith. This friendship is now over in her mind. She has been a dutiful wife and done what everyone asked of her and she kind of envies Rhaenyra's freedom to do as she pleases so at this point she considers that it's enough: she will no longer be a pawn in other people's games (even though she ends up being just that, since Larys Strong was able to sow dissent).
I will now be using the chicken scale for any new meats I encounter!
"Let's hope people don't die" Did you forget what show you're watching???
We can't get too upset about the ceremony in a bloodstained room. Jackie Kennedy was covered in her husband's blood, holding a bible, when the VP was sworn in as President. The king knew he was failing. The ceremony was needed to keep the promise to his daughter.
Love Jay morphing into Clayface from Harley Quinn on "to surVIVE" near the end, lol.
Otto said to Allicent that Rhaenyra won't spare her children. She has to kill them to protect her and her children's claims. After the conversation with Cole, she knows Rhaenyra lied to her and used that lie to turn her father against Otto. She feels she can't trust anything Rhaenyra says and she's already started to plot against her.
I hate Ser Cristen Cole after this episode.
The ending montage was my favorite scene of the series so far. Give me the aesthetics of the red hue of the weirdwood tree glowing in twilight, give me the flickering lights, give me the gloomy ambience of a GoT wedding with an equally gloomy soundtrack & it’s A1! The slightly overlooked heartfelt exchange Otto & Alicent had at the beginning was the most significant moment of the episode imo, other than Viserys dropping. Otto is right. You either hope for Rhaenyra’s mercy in the future or you act now. It's the Tywin Jaime "we can establish a dynasty that last a thousand years" moment. The wedding sets up the first chess pieces for Dance of Dragons. *Rhaenyra and Laenor were being told their wedding vows, but it was Alicent and Criston who were getting “married”.*
We've had the Red Wedding and the Purple Wedding. I would call this the Green Wedding. The lines have been drawn, the combatants determined. Call your Banners, War is upon us!!
It is kind of funny that Daenerys and Khal Drogo probably had the most peaceful wedding in the series. Sure people died, but it wasn't the important characters.
Ballroom Blitz is a perfect description of the end of this episode 😅
To be fair, I think Alicent's "villain arc" here wasn't the result of a misunderstanding or lack of communication. She simply realized that Rhaenyra had DEFINITELY lied to her about still being a virgin (even swearing on her mother's memory!) and so she's feeling super-disillusioned about both their friendship AND the trustworthiness of the Targaryens in general (since it's also clear that the King sent the Plan-B Tea to help cover up her indiscretion, even while firing Otto for bringing it to his attention).
Moreover, Alicent herself has been forced to seduce, marry, and sleep with a man old enough to be her father, yet she's honored her oaths and remained loyal and faithful to him despite her obvious misgivings. And now she finds out that the Targaryens don't hold themselves to that same honorable standard - not even her supposed best friend. She probably feels like she's been played for a fool, doubly so by thinking that at least everyone else was being equally strict and honest.
In other words, none of these are things that would be fixed or mollified by her trying to talk things out with Rhaenyra. The trust between them has officially been broken, so Alicent has little reason to think that Rhaenyra will be honest with her if they talked, nor much reason to think that Rhaenyra can be trusted to take care of her in the future.
She lied to rheanyra first, by humping her dad.😒
Paddy Considine (King Viserys) confirmed in an interview last week that the king is suffering from a form of leprosy
Joffrey crudely told you why Criston did what he ended up doing.
So I might be reiterating what others have said but there is no amount of conversations that would solve the conflict coming.
The conversation with Alicent and her father explains the stakes. The lives of her children.
The conversation between Ser Criston and Rhaenyra explains their mind sets. Criston is a very moral person. Honor is all he has. He raised himself from nothing to the kings guard. That is not lost on him. Now he has betrayed the oath he made. So he wants to run away and live a life with his love.
Rhaenyra explains that the throne means more to her than anything. She is willing to forgo freedom and love for the power that the throne gives. That tells us as an audience that Alicent’s father was right to fear for his grand children.
When Criston confess (which I agree was dumb) that tell Alicent that she can not trust Rhaenyra since she swore on her mother’s grave she did not lose her virtue. Which means her dads warning now rings true. So she wore the green dress to symbolize she is at war.
This is at least what I got out of the episode.
I think Alicent went 180 because she realized that her kids & Rhenrys will always compete for the throne. So she might as well start training Aegon & campaign for his claim.
Her snaky father started the bad blood and poisoned her mind. I doubt Rhaenyria will order her son killed. All they have to do is bend the knee and swore allegiance to the queen. But no, Otto doesnt like that. It runs contrary to his own ambition.
Nah, she was just mad her friend was having some actual fun
@@DrHeroe Shes mad that her friend lied to her face while swearing on her dead mother, the same lie that got Alicents father sent away, the same lie that undermined Alicent and Viserys efforts to find Rhaenyra a suiter, a choice Rhaenyra was privileged to get yet she disgarded it.
I don't understand what show you "shes just jealous" guys are watching. Have you paid attention? Are you all fooled by the Rhaenyra main character angle? She and Daemon have a big focus, but they're clearly not good people, and it's ruinign the lives of everyone around them. On top of all that now Alicents children will never be without a threat of assassination as long as Rhaenyra lives. Alicent has every right to be pissed, she doesn't have any reason to not spill the truth about Rhaenyra to the entire realm.
Siding with Rhaenyra this far in the show means one of two things, you either don't pay attention, or your moral compass values selfishness above all.
@@vergil8833 jealous f Rhaenyras freedom since the beginning. Funny you just decided to ignore that Alicent betrayed her "friend" way before when she was seducing the King for months. She's living inside a prison she created for herself and she can't stand the fact her bestie is a truly free individual
@@DrHeroe How is that a betrayal? Her father is the king, the lady of Hightower is the most likely candidate in line, and it's not like that was Alicents choice either. It's what her father wanted, so since shes driven by duty she took that as an order.
There has been absolutely nothing in the show indicating that Alicent wants what Rhaenyra has... Alicent has expressed loneliness, not a desire to run around in brothels. She hasn't expressed any such desires in the slightest.
You're just misunderstanding their juxaposition. When the show shows their juxaposition like in episode 4 they're not saying that Alicent wants what Rhaenyra has. With Alicent they're showing the unhappiness that comes with serving only duty, and with Rhaenyra they're showing the harm that comes from too much self-indulgence. One is trapped by too much duty and one is too free from duty.
They're not comparing their lives as if they want eachothers lives... You have somehow managed to misinterpret this, likely because you view everythign Rhaenyra does as good because shes like the main character, but it's not good, everything she does has very bad consequences regardless of modern ideas of romanticizing overindulgence and selfishness. It's not good.
I do also wonder if this comes from you guys just not being used to female characters having deeper conflicts than toxic femininity AKA jealousy, spitefulness, grudgeholding and so on.
One of the things that HOTD done really well is lean into the language style. GOT got very modern with its dialect and I think that (along with other things) hurt the show.
Rhys Infans speech about the future to Alicent is straight Shakespeare. 🔥🔥🔥
You guys do realize that Alicent talking to Rhaenyra will fix nothing, right? Alicent now knows the truth (that Rhaenyra is no maiden), and she also knows that she cannot trust Rhaenyra (because Rhaenyra lied to maintain that). Say Alicent confronts Rhaenyra about this. If Rhaenyra tells the truth, then she has to justify why she lied, and there is no right answer there. If Rhaenyra lies, then Alicent only has more evidence for why she cannot trust her. Further, Rhaenyra exploited their friendship not only to cover this lie, but also to get Alicent's father (and sole ally) expelled from the court.
Her father is right. So long as Alicent's children are alive, they are a clear and present threat to Rhaenyra's rule; a daily challenge to her legitimacy. Alicent cannot trust that Rhaenyra will abide that.
But she didn’t lie completely.. at least as much as Alicent knows. Alicent was asking her if she slept with Daemon, which she didn’t. She never said specifically she was a maiden, Alicent just assumed that based on her denial re Daemon. However Alicent is a hypocrite considering her scheming to wed the King beings Rhaenyra’s back soooooo…
@@allison4516 A lie of omission is still a lie. The point of the conversation was about Rhaenyra's "virtue", and they both knew it. Saying, "well, technically you never asked about anyone else and all I did was let you assume the answer you wanted" would not be a good out for Rhaenyra. It would only hammer home how she abused Alicent's trust to save herself. In the end, Alicent betrayed her father for Rhaenyra and now knows she did so based on a fiction.
Frankly, I think neither of them is pure (though Alicent never seemed like a willing participant in the king-seducing bit), but that's precisely why talking about it will not work. They have to be enemies because both are existential threats to eachother, and neither can trust the other enough to ensure their safety.
Don't know if anyone's said yet but the king has leprosy not grey scale
Otto wasn't dramatic, in history and westeros as well, when you ascend to the throne is normal to kill anyone who can claim your title, so if i was rhaenyra i would kill aegon i mean, Robert did the same when he won the civil war
That was a very important for coles character. Lorys boyfriend threatened Cole and Rayneara. So Cole got emotional. This show doesn't even need epic battle or dragons at the moment. You know a show is great when dialogue and drama alone can keep you intrigued
Went into this one waiting to hear "🎶looks like I haaaate it🎶"
The MVP imo was Alicent, far and away, I think she had a great conclusion to her half-season arc after being framed as toothless and being shown to despise her position. And honestly? Very justifiable imo. Otto isnt wrong about Rhaenyra's safest path being to kill Alicent's children (Would Rhaenyra do it? Idk but thats the safe option). And after she learns that (from her pov) Rhaenyra lied to her and betrayed her, she finally has enough and acts. I love her taking agency for herself in a situation where she is afforded none and is expected to accept it, and she has done it to metaphorically declare war by wearing that bomb ass green dress to the feast, shedding her Targaryen coloured shackles. And then coldly calling Rhaenyra stepdaughter in greeting, oof.
That lean in was perfect lol
And thus we have the Green Wedding.
6:53 Sadly Jay, Otto isn't being dramatic. Historically, this used to happen a lot when there were other claimants. Often they would go to war just to guarantee their own safety and only make peace when their safety was assured - one way or the other. Hell, they didn't even need to declare war to be a threat; in 1918, to the Russian Tsar's family were executed by the Communists because the other side in the civil war wanted to restore the monarchs to power. The Tsar had nothing to do with the civil war as he'd been under house arrest since before the war started. But because the mere threat existed - because someone else threatened to put them back on the thrown - the entire family was murdered. George RR Martin based these books on medieval England and back then, they did not mess around when it came to the throne
So... You were asking before why they didn't show the wedding of Viserys and Allicent? Short answer: Nobody died. BO-RING.
The show has said that Vicerys has Leprosy. Treatable today, but not in the setting.