I am so addicted to this channel. I have social anxiety so I think I unconsciously already tend to pick up on nonverbal language better than some and even though this sounds like pseudo science at first I keep recognizing the signs of deception that other people use in your videos and I always think "I specifically remember doing that one time when I was being deceptive" and when you consider that something like 70 percent of communication is nonverbal it just makes sense. This is really cool and I could see a skill like this being really useful in my life even if only for avoiding deception or manipulation. Thank you so much buddy and I hope you know I'm being truthful. 😊
Realm of Degeneracy, (Cool name 😎 🆒️ ) I also have social anxiety disorder. And I too sense that I'm better than the average, less socially hypervigulent person, at detecting people's moods, unacknowledged ideas and prejudices, etc. In the Enneagram personality system this sort of sensitivity, in combination with a strong desire for meaningful intimate relationships, is a possible indication that one is strongest in the area of the "social instinct." Glad you're loving the channel. I also find it quite griping and persuasive.
Check out "the behaviour panel" on UA-cam too. Great body language. My Wife has anxiety and depression too and she loves these body language videos. Hope it helps to give you more good days!
I do believe you should be careful with it too. And be sure to correct me if I'm wrong, but I can imagine that with anxiety disorder your focus can/will be on the negative signs. This can cause you to be hypervigilant about these signs and overlook other, positive signs that might be present too. This can then spiral down in a vicious circle and become a self-fulfilling prophecy
@@judeannethecandorchannel2153 Sorry to drag you off on a tangent further off topic, but I was reading your comment and noticed your mention of Enneagram. To the specific point you made (and sorry to sound pedantic here), but don't you think that would be more like a sexual instictual variant (as opposed to social)? I suppose it could depend on how many people that desire for connection is geared towards, but the phrasing you used ("meaningful intimate relationships") struck as more of a sexual variant trait. I.e. it made me think of the desire for one-on-one connection and the meaning derived from knowing one person completely. I guess I interpreted the plural form of "relationship" as being generally speaking, rather than implying multiple, concurrent interpersonal relationships. The thought actually just occurred to me that social anxiety strikes me as more of a self-preservation trait, because (bear with me), although you may be hyperfocused on others, isn't it coming from a place of fear and the desire to preserve your own peace of mind/privacy/social standing/whatever it may be? (Not a rhetorical question, btw, though you don't need to answer that). Aside from instinctual variants, what you've described so far is kind of screaming 9, 4, and maybe 2 to me. Just a thought. What I really wanted to say, though, is when I saw your mention of Enneagram, I thought, oh cool, another typology person to nerd out on! 🙃 Are you into MBTI/Jungian psychology as well? For a long time now, I have been wondering if Spidey is an INFJ ... Orrr, alternatively an ESTP... but, the more I watch, the more my hunch is INFJ with an ESTP stage persona. For a brief moment I considered ENFJ, but his Ti is too good to be inferior. What do you think? (And sorry if this is all Greek to you; I jumped the gun a bit)
If you have social anxiety, you probably aren’t interpreting most things correctly. I have a daughter that has social anxiety and she’s always wrong when she thinks she ‘knows’ what people mean. Even when they haven’t said the slightest derogatory or unkind remarks. She has anxiety and seldom sees things as they are. She also misinterprets people that are actually unkind. In fact she’s often told me, ‘I can’t believe you said that!’ It got to the point that I would call the other person over to apologize and 99% of the time they have no idea what the ‘problem was. I did this because I wanted to correct it and to show her that her anxiety was causing her distress because she wasn’t seeing it clearly
I felt he was honest from the start. At no point does he try to excuse himself or shift blame. He agrees with his critics. So often apologisers pretend to see the error of their ways but still manage to attack their critics. Also his body language, words and tone showed no attempt to distance himself from words like 'shameful' and 'wrong'.
I felt something off about him. Tried to watch a video from the show many, many, many years back. So many that I can´t remember what was the episode´s name. He did not strike me as being an honest radio talk show host. That is just a personal opinion. So after this no more. He does not have to be part of our lives. Its your life. Its your heart stream. Do not let him touch it.
Well, he does try to excuse himself by talking about the context. He also emphasizes that the word was taken out of context out of 12 years of material.
He's allowing himself to be honnest because he is a fighter, and has little to prove to everyone else now. That's a common trait to that sort of person.
I don’t know about Joe at all, so forgive me if I’m way off base here, but for all his sincerity at this apology, it still seems like he may be racist-just not wanting to have a public persona of being a racist. I don’t think someone could say the things he said about being surrounded by people of a skin tone different than his own without harboring some negative preconceptions. Plus the fact that he had to redirect by saying ‘what a lovely time he had’ in this unfamiliar neighborhood sounds like the way one might recount dinner with the in-laws when summing up an awkward evening. It appears to me like he was uncomfortable in the situation, tried to make a joke that didn’t land, and is now making it worse by trying to smooth things over. Again, I know nothing about him, but some of what he said in this ‘apology’ hit me in a negative way.
let me just say that you are an amazing teacher! I truly enjoy all your videos,and you explain everything you speak of in such detail, depth and non judgment. Thank you for your time, videos & expertise.🙂
I’m ok with his choice of words, “Now I know to most people.” That’s a statement of fact. If you want to test his theory, go ask David Duke if the use of the N word is acceptable.
I agree that it is accurate, but I also think it was a little strategic. If he was a podcaster with a primarily liberal audience, he may have left out the "most people" part. But since his audience is so broad and likely includes people who say the N word, he added that in so as not to alienate those viewers. I don't think that's even a bad thing. It's better to call people in than exclude them and never give them the opportunity to learn. Plus I think a lot of us white people are kind of like Joe, in that we had to learn the rules of not saying the N word in any context, and have had times when we were confused by it. So he's almost inviting us to feel like it's ok to have made that mistake and that we can grow with him.
I look forward to your video every week and this did not disappoint. I am finding myself starting to notice things I learned from you. This time I picked up on the eyebrow raising and his movements being synched up with what he said. The rest of your analysis was also very educational! This is quickly becoming my favourite UA-cam channel! ❤️
One advantage of growing up a shy quite kid is that I learned to read people's body language and not what they say but how they say it, and I see sincere and honest statement for the most part.
You are probably the only person with the sweetest content on social media.. you always see the glass half full.. which can help a cynic see a different perspective..
When he says he agrees with that now. Shows that he has evolved. He is in fact a comedian at heart. So he may have used the word in a joking context before, when things weren’t so PC.
I think he isn't just trying to apologize for what he did, he now realizes how and why it was wrong and he is attempting to tell others that it is not ok to say this. He knows and has learned a valuable lesson and he wants to sincerely apologize for it, but also to some extent educate the listeners, but without being overbearing or pushy with the message. 😀
Great analysis! I think he seemed pretty genuinely apologetic overall. The "planet of the apes" comment was rough but you could really see how bad he felt about it
Before I see your expert opinion, my thoughts are he is genuine and sincere in his apology and his disgust at himself watching that compilation. He isn’t diminishing what he’s done, he isn’t shifting blame, when he says how sorry he is his hand gestures over his heart momentarily which seems to me to convey his heartfelt apology physically manifesting in his body language, and anyone over the age of 30 years old knows what he’s saying is also a true representation of how public knowledge of the significance of the word and how offensive it really is has shifted with the rise of the internet and social media. It was always known to be derogatory and even as a kid or teen hearing someone say it caused most people to physically recoil no matter the context however it was not socially inappropriate to say along to lyrics or quote someone else who said it and certainly not to the extent it is right now. All that combined paints his apology as sincere to me.
My first observation within the first 3 minutes: he is sincere. The thing that stands out to me immediately, is that he looks straight into the camera and does not look away. He is really trying to connect with his viewers. He is also not hiding his facial expression, and I think he purposely filming his lip movement very clearly to make sure people cannot misread or misunderstand his very carefully and thought-about chosen words. No mask, nothing. No hesitation in his words either. He stands very much behind everything he says in this apology.
He looks honest from the moment i start the video. Also makes me laugh when he says- If your in a situation when you need to say your not a racist your f*** up. I totally believe him.
first impression: I think he's being legit, and he actually seems pretty emotional about this. His eyes were tearing up even. He was very upfront about the issue and he didn't try to minimize it in any way or make excuses for his behavior. When he says something bad like "racist" he emphasizes the word pretty heavily and basically spits it out. He also throws his head forwards. I think he is guenuinely upset with himself in this situation.
My brother and I were abused as children and adults. My brother has that eye flutter. I couldn't tell you why it made me sick to my stomach but I did / does. Now it makes complete sense. It was when he would think about my parents and things we went through. I'm 50 years old and I'm just dealing with it my own self right now. It made me super sensitive to everything. There was so much chaos, alcohol and drug use and mental illness that I was constantly in a hyper state of awareness. They sent my brother to a children's home.
I remember my white manager at a job I had and she said to my coworker, who was black, "In you act like a n##r, people will treat you like a n##r." We were both stunned. We already knew she was an idiot, but that was just insane. Her boss asked us what happened and we told him, but I don't know if it actually went anywhere, if she actually got punished.
Sincere questions here. Do you think this person was racist? Or did you think they were just using inherit language with no meaning/compassion to the context? Or does using this language, automatically make you raciest?
@@Zumaray I think she was a little racist. I'm sure she had no problem with non-whites in general, but obviousy she was seeing my co-worker in terms of the colour of his skin, or she wouldn't have made that comment. Also, you've got to be pretty dull to make such a comment to someone, particularly if you are their manager. What she said was unacceptable. She needed to pay a lot more attention to the words that come out of her own mouth. Anyway, I wonder where she is now. She certainly had a lot of chips on her shoulder. You also don't make a lot of friends talking that way.
I am not an expert like you of course but I was in the military for many years as a leader and trainer of soldiers (twelve years in Norway’s Jaegerkommandoen). I became good at judging whether someone is lying to me or not. From the Rogan video you show here I hear his words and they sound somewhat sincere but his facial expression does not reflect the emotional content of what he is saying. I don’t think he’s being truthful or sincere. I believe he’s taking a minor hit to save his career and regrets nothing much. Now I am going to watch your evaluation of what he’s saying to see if I was close………well, I just watched your evaluation and I got it wrong. But I still read insincerity in his face. His face is too passive as I see it. It’s something in his eyes I do not trust. But I don’t know why.
That’s so awesome. And I’m sure you’ve learned some amazing things with that experience! I don’t necessarily disagree with you that this is not a deeply emotional apology for him, more informative and reflective than affected 😊
I think it’s because he agrees that it’s wrong as in socially unacceptable. But he doesn’t feel bad. No guilt. He’s apologizing because he got called out for doing a bad thing, not because he feels bad.
I have the most unpopular opinion possible on this one. I'm not a fan of Joe Rogan, so I have no need to defend him. I still think context matters, no matter how offensive the word is. It isn't fair to equate Joe Rogan quoting Richard Pryor to someone pushing hate speech. I think most people see the difference, so I don't think he should have to apologize. I think the apology was insincere. It was done to keep his job. The contempt on his face wasn't for himself. It was for whoever made the compilation and for his social/ professional obligation to apologize. You can read between the lines and hear what he's really saying: They took him out of context to make him look like a horrible person. He thought what he said was OK in context. Someone talked to him and told him it wasn't. Other people say it and it's OK. He might lose his job like that Netflix guy if he doesn't apologize and swear off that word.
I have been waiting for you or The Behavioral Panel to do an analysis of this apology. Thank you so much. I think it’s important when someone messes up and they apologize that we don’t go on and look for🩸 we have to be able to decide in some manner, was it sincere or not, is the behavior still going on, what else has this person done in their life, etc. I think it’s important for us to put things in place and have resources available to us, like your show, to help us have a better understanding rather than just say you did one thing wrong you have to go away for the rest of your life, that does not make sense to me. And I ask, at what age is it not OK to ever make a mistake, 2, 6, 13, 17, 21, 51? I am learning so much from your show - about others, and myself as well, and tweaking where necessary - 67 and still learning. 💕🍏😎
My only question is, how could someone be so unaware in this day and age? That is confusing. However, he doesn't have to answer to me. I just couldn't help but wonder.
Really glad I watched this video. It’s so balanced and I really like what you said about the word and the complexity of it. I watched this apology soon and after his “apology “ about the vaccine doubtful guests and just that comparison highlights how sincere this apology is. PS I don’t think he should have had to apologise for those guests and I think he also thinks so. It would be interesting to see your analysis of that video.
The entire video (it seemed) had the raised eyebrows demonstrated by the forehead wrinkles, which was really obvious although I didn't realize the potential meanings. It seemed strange how much and long this went on. Re-watching the Joe Rogan video, I noticed the lip pursing at "the most shameful thing" giving the insight that he may have more shameful things hidden in his mental closet. He also glanced up to his left when talking about using the word for years, as if he's trying to recall his past actions accessing that portion of his memory. I've also found myself trying to look at Spidey's facial expressions as he's describing the interpretation--trying to analyze if Spidey really believes what he's telling us :)
I’ll save you the rouble of analyzing me. I never lie, except for when I’m performing. Too much trouble, not worth it. Besides why would I choose to make a video on a topic and lie about it? Lol
That pronoun shift addressing the audience with "you", is possibly also a reference to the other examples Rogan brought up of people using the word, and is him trying to show that such mistakes are common, and in that way deflecting from his own guilt.
I'm so glad you did this video. I watched his apology, and while I've disliked him for years now for several different reasons, I did think his apology came off as sincere, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I was very interesting listening to your break down.
I don’t think Joe was sincere because he knew the context in which he said the words years ago. I wish he never said sorry and told everyone to F off if they don’t like it.
@@b4804514 Rush told the truth and it’s sad that people are so sensitive and weak that they have to shut their ears. Yeah, he wasn’t right about everything, but he was a great man. He donated more money to charity than you or I ever will.
Feels authentic to me. Lots of Confirmation glances, His gestures are in rhythm with his speech cadence. There's furrowed eyebrows when hes talking about his disappointment in himself... now off to watch the rest of the video
Let me guess your view on “the current things”- AH is a victim, Biden is misunderstood, and a nice guy, Trump is the devil, communism is good, Jordan Peterson is a monster. You seem well trained imo, gullible, but well trained.
As someone who Hase lived through very violent attacks of racism from a young age I pick up very quickly on bigotry. I have never seen bigotry from Joe and it's sad he has to make this video. I feel like he was unjustly targeted by whoever made the compilation.
Just curious to know your opinion, why is it wrong to use a historically accurate word solely in historical or literary contexts? Or, in quotes? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind it. We don't hide from the word Auschwitz or Nazi, which both deeply impacted Jews. Sure, it's not a derogatory statement towards Jews, but if the problem is solely because it's a word that deeply impacts a specific group, then anything related to tragedies should carry that weighted? I don't think the word has any place being used today, but history is history regardless of what we think today. I wouldn't throw a fit over people quoting something that's derogatory towards my Asian heritage if it's either a quote we are discussing or used in a historical context. It's not like Asians haven't been through just as much, if not worse than blacks in various regards. I don't understand why a word being used in historical context is evil. I've never used it myself, but feeling like I'm not allowed to quote someone or discuss a word's use in history is quite irritating. It's not like using it in a historical context denies the tragedy of slavery or racism, nor how the word was used at the time. It's not like using it in a quote or historical context means the person quoting it has the same beliefs of the people who've used it prior. That's like saying I share all the same beliefs as a terrorist or mass shooter or carry some portion of a terrorist/mass shooter's sin if I quote and discuss the crazy shit they wrote in their manifesto. Are we saying the reasoning for why it's wrong for white people to use the word, it's because a portion of the population that looked like them did something and therefore they as a group based on their skin color must carry that sin, despite many of their ancestors suffering just as much? Sounds like racism to me. If it's racist to be weary of black people as potential criminals, regardless of statistics for violent crimes committed, why is it righteous to hunt down and attack, and force into starvation (if that's not what advocating to remove their livelihood and blacklist them does, then what does it do?) whites who haven't done anything other than discuss a word's use in a historical or literary context or in the context of someone else's use of the word? *edit: I believe people should ideally be judged based on their character and not their outward appearance or things they cannot control. I will say, it doesn't make sense to judge a white person who says a slur in specific contexts the same as other whites using it as an actual derogatory term. It's not like it's some slippery slope into racism for white people to quote someone they themselves don't agree with. After all, I'd argue, anyone who only uses the word in very specific contexts, is not that white supremacist everyone's eager to go after and lynch. After all, they themselves don't consider the weird appropriate or correct if they're being so careful and specific in using it in those contexts-that kind of implies they understand the word being used as a derogatory term is wrong. Unless you somehow suspect them to be some kind of closeted racist, as if they're secretly part of some racist organization and THAT'S what justifies the firing and blacklisting of them. Which would be a ridiculous take since just saying the word in any context is the last thing a secret undercover racist that doesn't deserve to eat or live, would want to do since it draws unnecessary negative attention and gets you fired. You'd have to be quite the dumbass to reveal your cards like that.
@@yro277 just because Jews don't want one using a word, doesn't mean the black Americans have to do the same thing. It's up to them to decide what they want, not external saying what they should do. Hope that helps.
@@abioserocks And for every other point I made? I find the notion that a single group gets to decide my speech, EVEN within specific academic contexts, solely because they suffered discrimination, when EVERY group has suffered similar discrimination and doesn’t. Or are you saying they are in someway superior and deserve that right? Or they are in someway inferior and deserve that right because it’s just too painful for them to handle, to hear and see history and literature for what they are? I know saying either inferior or superior is triggering but I’m curious what it could be you specifically are saying as the reason for why one group get the sole right to determine what I can or cannot say regardless of context? It’s either because they need protecting and are therefore inferior, or they are somehow superior to every other group that has suffered in the history of humanity, and therefore deserve what no other group does. Just wondering what it is that separates their suffering from every other demographic, and why it is we’re deciding shit based on what demographic group says, when we’re supposed to be looking and considering things as individuals. If we’re all one race, the human race, then why can’t we look at the history of the human race and say what happened, without fear of losing everything over it? Another thing, the reason I specifically asked the person who posted this, was because they had specifically mentioned their own past with suffering discrimination and violence as a result of their race. I don’t know why you’re commenting in place of their response if you’re some “external” here. Speaking of which, thats a funny word choice. So because I’m not a certain skin color, I’m considered an “external” and therefore not allowed to quote history or literature directly. Sounds kinda racist to me.
I agree with Spidey's conclusion. Going in I was already biased. I am not a Joe Rogan fan, but I don't think that this was, in any way, a fake apology.
Hey Spidey, as always thanks for the content and opportunity to practise!! 👌🥳 I think he's honest. Though I think he feels contempt/disgust for the smushed up, out of context video that was made. I see the brows lifting continuously, but he seems to use it to convey importance or innocence of his intention rather than an excuse. There are also a few lip compressions especially when say he has to address this in public, when he apologized, long blink/closed eyes and then I think there was a nose flare but I'm not sure, I couldn't get the vid to pause at the right place. I think a nose flare is caused by stress? I think it frustrates and/or angers him to have been shown in this light of racism when it was never his intent. Though I did noticed some interesting micro expressions of contempt/disgust (one side of the mouth lifting). It was lifted slightly for a while so I initially thought it was just the shape of his mouth, but it's down later on... So I thought I'd add it. I saw a tiny almost unnoticeable one at 01:47 (right side of his upper lip lifts slightly) just before he talks about "12 years of footage", and then another much bigger one at 01:57 when he says "I know for most people (right side of his mouth arches) there's no (drops again) context..." I paused the vid to make sure and it's quite clear. This is what makes me think he feels contempt towards the person/fact that the video was out of context and/or the inequality of the fact that some people may use the word without consequence while others may not? Not sure what the cause is, but definite contempt/disgust there I think. His eyes grows into an expression of surprise when he talks about the netflix guy who was fired at 02:30. With a lip compression just before he talks about Quinton T's movies. Though his nods or chin pointings are in time with his speech. There was also some sadness a bit later on (eyebrows lifting in the center) which I think is regret for the whole thing, but I'm also not sure. Basically, I think his apology is sincere. He does defend a little, but also then says there's no excuse. I found him very genuine when saying his ashamed, no self distancing... There was a language change when he spoke about when you have to say you're not racist, but then goes back to "me" again right after and repeats it. So I think he was honest. Much more so, than the vid about the woman with her son crying for the thumbnail. I found the camera angle a bit odd, like he's almost looking down the whole time but don't know what that means, if anything...? And it's quite dark around him...? Does that mean anything? Wow. That was a lot more than I expected!! Watching your vids seems to be paying off!! Thanks again!!
Saw him doing stand up in Sac with some friends. One of friends said something innocuous. He lost his shit and went on a rant for about 5 minutes and even called her horrible names!! The room went very quiet and when he finished, went back to telling "jokes". It took quite awhile for people to start to laugh again. Never liked him after that and will probably never, even more with the recent spotify debacle
A lot of eyebrow raising looking for that approval, and creases in the forehead. I learn something new every time I watch one of your vlogs. It's incredible how much body language plays in our day to day communications!
I genuinely couldn't make a judgement on his sincerity in this apology. I generally find his views to be pretty repulsive and my own cognitive bias really hampered my ability to read any kind of sincere gestures.
Right, 12 years in adult life of saying the most repulsive stuff for views, I can't say he is genuine or really leaned, just caught. Trying to prevent his cancellation like the Netflix exec.
If someone made a compilation of every time Joe Rogan eagerly admitted he was wrong, it'd be several hours long. The dude's got a thirst for information. He may LOVE speculation, but he also disdains inaccuracy. Maybe he's not the ideal role model, but I think he's trustworthy.
And that is awesome! Someone who loves information and is willing to admit their errors, even if they may be wrong often will keep evolving! That’s how you become a better person.
First impressions: Not really saw a lot of signs of deceptions personally just the lip compression once but sometimes the things he said didn't really made a lot of sence to me.
First impression: he's genuine about not being racist, but he still believes that using the n-word without bad intentions is legit, and kinda pissed about the utopistic thought policing going on in our recent times, but he must say he's sorry, cause he doesn't want to lose followers. So, he's not racist, but he's not sorry. He feels shameful about that others think he's racist, because he's not.
@@LVThN_von_Ach my personal view is that music is for everyone... if the band can't take 12yo white kids singing nigga nigga then don't put it in the lyrics
what I saw was that his blink rate was ok, there was just one lip compression(what I could find) I just dont lnow what to form of him(this is when i paused) Edit- After watching the clip again I think he is feeling the guilt/regret, I couldn't find signs of deception
I haven’t watched this whole video yet but what I’m getting from him is not a feeling of guilt. At first he rationalized how he used the word in the past and his new understanding that it is not and never was ok. It seemed to me he was genuinely trying to make people understand context and his personal growth. I feel his apology and denial of being racist was truly genuine and he feels ashamed of his ignorance but he does not necessarily feel guilty. Ok back to the video to get your take!
This is him dodging cancel culture with rehearsed ideas he strings together like he does in his comedy routine. He chooses to continue to attack the wokeism fallacy created by the alt right. Not buying this performance as real.
Personally, I liked Joe Rogan when he was the host of Fear Factor and his stand-up comedy shows. There are many times when he widens his eyes to emphasize his point, as if to truly say that those were his main reasons, he nods his head to show agreement that when someone says "I'm not racist, but..." and he admits that he clearly messed up along with the nod at the same time to show sincerity in his words (not splitting the timing between the gestures and words, because that could be a sign of doubt or deception), his word choices are more serious that can hold again the emphasis that he is not kidding and truly regrets his actions. My conclusion: Joe Rogan is being sincere in this apology
Great analysis per usual. I think there was a bit of cognitive dissonance Joe was struggling with. A comic's job is to point to things that are uncomfortable and make them funny to release us (at least in the moment) from its power over us. The stigmatisation of a word is the opposite exercise; it's pointing at something uncomfortable and and making it more uncomfortable. That tension must have felt like role-confusion for Joe.
I agree, comedy can be really hard. In the past it was totally acceptable to 'punch down' with humor. Personally I find self deprecating humor and humor where the comic 'punches up' is a lot more entertaining. I hope Mr Rogan is moving that direction too.
There is 1 universal emotion that is asymmetrical, contempt. Eh, 2 things. 1. That doesn't mean there aren't some *nonuniversal* emotions that aren't also asymmetrical. 2. I, and most people, occasionally make asymmetrical expressions for emotions other than contempt, like confusion. Like the confused face I make every time you say this..🤔
Hi Spidey, I didn't know him but I agree with your analysis, he looks pretty honest to me. But I believe he made a mistake in framing the video: he is looking down all the time as if he is above us, he should have put the camera a little higher so he appears at the same level (or even a little lower since this is an appology video). Maybe this proves he didn't prepare much the whole thing, as you said. The topic of the racist word is a little difficult for me to comment because of different cultures, in my country this is a common and affectionate nickname, although the cancel culture has spread widely lately too and everybody (especially comedians) has to be very careful because there is always someone who gets offended. Thank you for your videos, I enjoy them and I am learning a lot!
@@TheBehavioralArts Argentina. In Uruguay is a colloquial expression too. A couple of years ago, a uruguayan Manchester United footballer was charged of misconduct by the UK Football Association because he thanked a friend who congratulated him in an Instagram post, by saying "gracias n*grito". (I'm afraid of being banned too jaja) The friend of course said he was not offended, the Academy of Letters (both argentinian and uruguayan) explained that to us the word has a clear affective sense, completely free of any discriminatory or racist nuance. But there was no valid defense, he was suspended for 3 matches and fined. Better keep the mouth shut in these days..
@@mirtacamara3653 I think a big part of the difference is that in Spanish the word for the color black is “negro.” Therefore the word is a description of a color. In America, the word in question has no other meaning besides the racial slur. It was also used by slave owners, so it’s a super sensitive subject. As I said, it doesn’t cost me anything to not say it and so I don’t see any reason to.
Spidey, I'm interested that you said nostril flaring is a defence mechanism. Can it also indicate other things? I ask because I often find my nostrils involuntarily flare when I listen to a particularly moving piece of music or song lyric. Am I just weird?
Haha you’re not weird. Nostril flaring means the brain thinks we need more oxygen. When emotions run high we get chocked up and it’s very possible for the nostrils to flare. The flaring your describing is very close to the kind we see in people just before they sneeze. When we sneeze we stop breathing for a second so as a reflex the nostrils flare 😉
Nobody has the right to tell people how they should speak, regardless of what the word is. Is it wrong? Anything that makes people feel bad is prone to be morally wrong. Regardless, a group of people can not complain about a word, yet call each other that specific word, without looking like hypocrites.
@@briannec2016 I have. Also, it's the epitome of hypocrisy to expect people to not use a word, when the group of people asking, constantly use the supposedly offensive word to describe one another, especially in music. People need to make up their damned minds.
It truly is a strange phenomenon! If that word is so bad and offensive, why use it among each other and in musis.. it is lowkey devaluation of themselvels and also desensitizes people.
I'm mixed (multi-racial)..., watching this clip, I didn't feel any deception from him, it seemed sincere. My gut is telling me that he is remorseful and not lying. Im posting this before I hear your take
My view is that he’s a very good liar. I’ve heard his racist rants such as when he compared Black neighbourhoods to The Planet of the Apes. It was vile and disgusting.
Joe Rogan is not a racist. This call out as a racist for using a word is so hypocritical. He isn't using it aggressively. He is having a logical discussion. Anyone who says You can't say that word if your white is racist. I retract his apology, he has nothing to apologize for.
First impressions: I only managed to pick up a few things: his blinking rate at the start is very high, I noticed a lip compression and there seemed to be lots of resume statements in there. I'm sure I have missed a lot, but I couldn't tell if he was telling the truth or not. I did notice that his eyebrows both went up a lot, and I know that with shoulders it can be a sign of honesty but im not sure about eyebrows Edit: just finished the analysis and I've learnt so much. It's useful to have a video that mainly focuses on honesty, I didn't know lots of this. Quick question: I've heard in a couple of places that fight or flight should be called freeze flight or fight because our first instinct is to freeze and then flight and only if we have to or think we will win. Is this accurate or is the freeze step separate? Great video, congrats on ABSees win
Hey man! Thanks! Yeah I think it should be called freeze fight or flight as well. We first freeze for threat assessment but I’m the official terms for it is “fight or flight” response so I still say that to not confuse people.
I watched the first 3:47 minutes, and I saw no remorse. A bit of a smirk and not genuine sadness/sorrow in that clip. It’s like there was an anger underneath the words.
I'm not convinced. I think the justification part was too long and too detailed. He still doesn't get that it's unacceptable. Also he says that now you're 'not allowed' to use it. This is like a complaint. It's him saying that he resents being told to stop. The signs that are pointed out in this video as signs of regret are equally indicators of regret at being called out on it.
The justification was too long but necessary to understand his true purpose. It was in context and relevant to the topic at hand. When u do something wrong u also talk about your intentions behind it and try to justify that ur intentions were pure.
Anyone who is black and knows Joe Rogan will know he is not racist. Just ask Daniel Cormier. People throwing out the term racism at every whim has made it lose its true context.
My parents raised my brother and I to never be afraid of words, partly because I was a gay, autistic, chunky kid and therefore bully bait, and because debate is a blood sport in my family lol. But they also made it clear that this is not how the rest of the world operates, and that words can be tremendously harmful. My family uses the “other F word” often aaround me, because they know that I know there is zero malice there, and it’s only used in a humorous context. It was extremely arrogant and narcissistic of Joe to say those things, because of course he knew better. He’s definitely not reconciled himself with the fact that he said those things because I think for the first time he finally had a mirror held up to him. But respect to him for doing his best to grow from this and honestly apologize. You really can’t ask for more. Great job, as always, Spidey! I always learn so much from you! 💚
Rogan isn’t racist. I listened to him since 2014, there’s one 2015-ish podcast where he’s reading lotta N-words from a writing. He has to take a few second n says I don’t even wanna read this, take a deep breath n reads it. It was when no one was attacking him.
His apology seems genuine, but he does begin the video by having to over-explain the background of his usage of racist terms. The pitch of his voice also goes up a bit when he is explaining the background. I think he is being very defensive, which is unusual as he easily could have chosen never to use those terms all these years. That makes him come across as having a 'victim's mindset.' However, his apology comes across as strong and clear, with no ambiguity or deception.
Yes, I think he sees himself as unfairly victimised in this situation, but is also aware that he needs to be sincere. He keeps trying to justify his mistakes, as though he thinks the reaction to them has been overblown.
@@Bayonet1809 Clearly people blew the situation out of proportion. We have free speech in this country, yet you can get canceled, doxed, and lose your career over words that do not incite violence or create havoc
I think it’s normal for him want to explain or ensure his audience that he didn’t have malicious intent in mind when misusing a word . After all, what is your first instinct when you accidentally hurt someone? You’re going to want to explain and reassure that person your behavior wasn’t on purpose. This behavior indicates to me that he cares about others feelings and he hates having done anything to cause unintentional harm. No part of his behavior indicates that he wished he could’ve gotten away with his behavior. He does not gas light his audience or attempt to explain why he shouldn’t be reprimanded for his behavior.
….after hearing him say within the context of Ronda Rousey…. I think it was Brian Callan, that asked, “So, when you said, “People like her don’t just come around once in a generation, Ronda is rare and special. People like her come around once in a lifetime,’ you regret that?” “Oh yeah!” “So you were wrong?” “I was wrong! I shouldn’t have said that! It’s not true now and it wasn’t true then! Look, I’m the king of hyperbole.” He makes these “bold big statements” as id they are not bold, or big….but just statements. Joe made his reputation on his candid rhetoric. I don’t believe he’s sorry for what he did/said, I do think he feels bad about the repercussions
Based on the first clip, he seems sincere and accepts his ignorance/errors in his old ways. We all make stupid mistakes but realizing, accepting and taking ownership, takes guts.
He does seem genuine. He is making an apology. He's not blaming anyone else. I don't know this guy, but he admits he's been using this derogatory term repeatedly for years and he didn't know better? I don't care to know him.
My sons used to call each other, all their friends AND me "nikka". Their friends called them this also, no matter the color of their skin. It was not considered to be derogatory - in fact, when I objected to the term, several stated that they felt the use of that word took away its power to hurt. I can certainly see that, but I know they don't use any form of the word now. Just in case it might hurt someone.
Initial impression, feels honest. His story timeline was convincing, he broke down the actual incident in detail and his version of what happened. Lots of raised eyebrows to try to connect with audience. Time also spent on epilogue feelings and what he’s learned.
I watch your videos all of the time but this is my first time giving my first impression. He's very close to the camera moving in and out in your face and it feels honest and what he said seemed to true to him because I personally didn't see a lot of tells and he did a shrug in a time where it felt authentic.
I've followed and listened to every single podcast he's brought out since his very first podcast. Joe Rogan is the voice in my head by now. He is just catching too much flak because he's the biggest platform in the world right now for 3 hour conversation that are uncut and raw. You know, being a typical human being. I love Joe Rogan and he's best friends with so many black people especially Dave Chappelle and Ian Edwards...Lol. this poor guy and all this pointless attention on him.
I believe that the "asymmetric universal emotion" happens when you're trying to hold in tears too. Is that possibly in the category of contempt? I'd like to know what you think Spidey.
I agree with your comment. He’s having the same conversation people have alone with their friends in their living rooms when they’re high. I bet most people have such much worse things than the n word. Well, holding back tears isn’t an emotion and no two people do it the same way. Women tend to look up and squint to not ruin their mascara but that’s not science, it’s observation. Sadness is a universal emotion but it is symmetric. I suppose different people have different ways of suppressing it tho
@@coleworld3061 When you ask that of Thomas, do you mean to imply that were your intimate conversations recorded for, lets say 12 years, that no one would be offended? Just asking...
Love your knowledge, if I could recommend something to make your videos even better, I'd say to edit over yourself talking to the person's facial gestures your speaking about over and over to show us exactly what you mean. ❤️👍
Great job incidentally but at 17:50 I had to pause when you said not much data there and I just watched someone whose eyebrows went up and looked surprised while he was talking about rappers using the term…did I read too much into it, because my gut told me “here is a guy mystified or still surprised that the word can be used by one group but not by me or anyone in my group”, which led me instantly to the conclusion that what I’m watching is someone making a video (forced to make it) he was told by someone with authority to make and is using his acting skills to pull it off
I don’t think Joe takes orders from anyone. He doesn’t strike me as someone who does something he doesn’t want to do. I do agree with you that he does find it strange that certain people are allowed to use it.
First time commenter here...I listen to Joe's podcast often and watch it a bit and this looks legit. He's a very smart and thoughtful person when he talks so he probably sat and really checked himself before making this. But he's also confident so the lack of hesitation is normal, but he doesn't always lean in and have that emphasis.
On a side note. It’s strange that a podcast host almost is cancelled for using a word your president has used! One can rule your country but not be a podcaster?!? Strange!
I've heard of this guy; but I've never watched any of his content, so I have no baseline on him, or any preconceived idea of who he is. "publicly" lip compression as he characterizes the circumstances as being "shameful and regretful" but there are things he wants to say, withheld opinions about the situation. He is in an almost constant eyebrow arch approval seeking facial expression, not actually congruent with a person feeling shame or regret. "me saying" BIG SMILE.... lol, he's clearly in love with the idea of himself talking "out of context" "12 years of conversations" "smushed together" "I agree with that now" "haven't said it in years" ... chaff N redirect, excuses excuses, resume statement, "I'm actually the victim here" "I thought" eyebrows suddenly drop from the approval seeking position to the anger position. Is he angry at himself for what he thought? or angry at how it was perceived? In either case this is not shame or regret. "understand what I was ((doing))" "bottom of my ((heart))" las word trails off in a whisper, fading facts, low confidence in what he's saying "ironically" "fired" microexpression of surprise. He really doesn't get why the consequences for this would be so harsh "well aware of that now" eyebrows shift down again, eye block, anger at being called out on his insensitivity "It makes me sick" breaks eye contact, low confidence, stress My summary of my first impressions is he's sorry and kind of annoyed that he's being called out on this because it's a pain the ass for such a "great guy" to have to make an apology video. He's aware that it's a big deal but doesn't really feel the WHY, and thus has no genuine shame or regret.
LEEWWWWW NOOOOOO!!!! This is the first time we disagree 💔. It was bound to happen, but the good news is we’re not far off. I do agree that he has an ego and that there is a sense of obligation. I also agree that he doesn’t think it’s THAT wrong and he himself would not crucify someone for making this mistake. But I do feel there is genuine understanding and regret. I do believe he thinks it’s wrong NOW. There is some redirect but it’s on topic and just not enough distancing for me personally. Don’t fight me on this Lew. We’re too close. 🥺
@@TheBehavioralArts Lol, no worries. I love that you caught the contempt microexpression with the line on the left side of his face. I totally missed it. Contempt at himself? or contempt at... having to cover his ass???? Meh, tomato/ tomahhto :)
You're right, he doesn't really apologize for saying the n word, he's apologizing that people are offended by him saying ANYTHING. The way he used the n-word before was not racially motivated, but because it was perceived as such, he is apologizing for the incorrect perception
I can’t tell because he blink rate is fast but that’s the only thing i saw. I didn’t see a cluster but I could be wrong. I may come back and add stuff but I think he is sincere because he used the f-word and for people in this age I think he realized that he messed up. Editor Angela here- I don’t see remorse or deception
I think it's sincere and truthful. He's reflecting on the past and acknowledging he made mistakes and has learned from them. That's how we evolve as a species.
My personal opinion is that nobody should use that word or other similar words and expressions. These come from a very dark place in the human history and by continuing to have them in the vocabulary I think that we only perpetuate the same behavior and inevitably get into situations like this. We need to learn the history so not to repeat past mistakes but not keep rolling the same behaviors that were damaging to people. I feel bad when hearing black people using the n-word, and always feel that they are disrespecting themselves. We all can do better than that.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! You are able to express the feelings I have about this perhaps better than I am. After reading former slave narratives online, especially at my age now, it jumped out to me how black people during that era referred to themselves as Niggahs! It broke my heart! Every person should take the time to read them!
If he is surprised that someone was fired for doing what he did, he does not get it. If he got it, if he understood, he would not be surprised. This word is so hurtful to a huge population of people. That needs to be understood and respected.
I think the point here is that he grew to understand the power of that word. I thoroughly respect him for this. He is being honest about not getting it before (and maybe there's growth still here). I think we've all made serious mistakes in the past and we should celebrate when someone grows in this way.
It all seemed very true and authentic to me. He was directly addressing the whole issue. His emphatic statements were accompanied by body movement and expressions that seemed to back them up, and he brought up reasons he said it and explained apologizingly but stating what he had thought also.
I am so addicted to this channel. I have social anxiety so I think I unconsciously already tend to pick up on nonverbal language better than some and even though this sounds like pseudo science at first I keep recognizing the signs of deception that other people use in your videos and I always think "I specifically remember doing that one time when I was being deceptive" and when you consider that something like 70 percent of communication is nonverbal it just makes sense. This is really cool and I could see a skill like this being really useful in my life even if only for avoiding deception or manipulation. Thank you so much buddy and I hope you know I'm being truthful. 😊
Realm of Degeneracy,
(Cool name 😎 🆒️ )
I also have social anxiety disorder.
And I too sense that I'm better than the average, less socially hypervigulent person, at detecting people's moods, unacknowledged ideas and prejudices, etc.
In the Enneagram personality system this sort of sensitivity, in combination with a strong desire for meaningful intimate relationships, is a possible indication that one is strongest in the area of the "social instinct."
Glad you're loving the channel. I also find it quite griping and persuasive.
Check out "the behaviour panel" on UA-cam too. Great body language. My Wife has anxiety and depression too and she loves these body language videos. Hope it helps to give you more good days!
I do believe you should be careful with it too. And be sure to correct me if I'm wrong, but I can imagine that with anxiety disorder your focus can/will be on the negative signs. This can cause you to be hypervigilant about these signs and overlook other, positive signs that might be present too. This can then spiral down in a vicious circle and become a self-fulfilling prophecy
@@judeannethecandorchannel2153 Sorry to drag you off on a tangent further off topic, but I was reading your comment and noticed your mention of Enneagram. To the specific point you made (and sorry to sound pedantic here), but don't you think that would be more like a sexual instictual variant (as opposed to social)? I suppose it could depend on how many people that desire for connection is geared towards, but the phrasing you used ("meaningful intimate relationships") struck as more of a sexual variant trait. I.e. it made me think of the desire for one-on-one connection and the meaning derived from knowing one person completely. I guess I interpreted the plural form of "relationship" as being generally speaking, rather than implying multiple, concurrent interpersonal relationships. The thought actually just occurred to me that social anxiety strikes me as more of a self-preservation trait, because (bear with me), although you may be hyperfocused on others, isn't it coming from a place of fear and the desire to preserve your own peace of mind/privacy/social standing/whatever it may be? (Not a rhetorical question, btw, though you don't need to answer that). Aside from instinctual variants, what you've described so far is kind of screaming 9, 4, and maybe 2 to me. Just a thought.
What I really wanted to say, though, is when I saw your mention of Enneagram, I thought, oh cool, another typology person to nerd out on! 🙃 Are you into MBTI/Jungian psychology as well? For a long time now, I have been wondering if Spidey is an INFJ ... Orrr, alternatively an ESTP... but, the more I watch, the more my hunch is INFJ with an ESTP stage persona. For a brief moment I considered ENFJ, but his Ti is too good to be inferior. What do you think? (And sorry if this is all Greek to you; I jumped the gun a bit)
If you have social anxiety, you probably aren’t interpreting most things correctly. I have a daughter that has social anxiety and she’s always wrong when she thinks she ‘knows’ what people mean. Even when they haven’t said the slightest derogatory or unkind remarks. She has anxiety and seldom sees things as they are. She also misinterprets people that are actually unkind. In fact she’s often told me, ‘I can’t believe you said that!’ It got to the point that I would call the other person over to apologize and 99% of the time they have no idea what the ‘problem was. I did this because I wanted to correct it and to show her that her anxiety was causing her distress because she wasn’t seeing it clearly
I felt he was honest from the start. At no point does he try to excuse himself or shift blame. He agrees with his critics. So often apologisers pretend to see the error of their ways but still manage to attack their critics. Also his body language, words and tone showed no attempt to distance himself from words like 'shameful' and 'wrong'.
Yeah. The lack of distancing is a really great lesson here. No excuses and very little redirect
There was a CUT 2:22-2:24. LOOK at it.
I felt something off about him. Tried to watch a video from the show many, many, many years back. So many that I can´t remember what was the episode´s name. He did not strike me as being an honest radio talk show host. That is just a personal opinion. So after this no more. He does not have to be part of our lives. Its your life. Its your heart stream. Do not let him touch it.
Didn't buy it for a second. Hes not sorry hes just sorry he got caught. Joe is a racist, sexist transphobic pig.
Well, he does try to excuse himself by talking about the context. He also emphasizes that the word was taken out of context out of 12 years of material.
Joe is popular because he has that rarest of qualities from a public figure; sincerity.
THIS.
He's allowing himself to be honnest because he is a fighter, and has little to prove to everyone else now. That's a common trait to that sort of person.
@@MaxAnnoying I see what you mean. It's a culture thing. Nothing more sincere than a punch to the face right?
I don’t know about Joe at all, so forgive me if I’m way off base here, but for all his sincerity at this apology, it still seems like he may be racist-just not wanting to have a public persona of being a racist. I don’t think someone could say the things he said about being surrounded by people of a skin tone different than his own without harboring some negative preconceptions. Plus the fact that he had to redirect by saying ‘what a lovely time he had’ in this unfamiliar neighborhood sounds like the way one might recount dinner with the in-laws when summing up an awkward evening. It appears to me like he was uncomfortable in the situation, tried to make a joke that didn’t land, and is now making it worse by trying to smooth things over. Again, I know nothing about him, but some of what he said in this ‘apology’ hit me in a negative way.
@@1vonehrenkrook everyone has prejudices, everyone. Some people try to overcome theirs. These people are not racist.
I'd say that this is a real, sincere apology. I definitely noticed no grooming gestures and he never made himself look better.
a 100 million dollar contract will make anyone sincere.
1 million. 50k. Even 5k will make people Since. 1k haha
let me just say that you are an amazing teacher! I truly enjoy all your videos,and you explain everything you speak of in such detail, depth and non judgment. Thank you for your time, videos & expertise.🙂
@Natasha Genier
Right on Natasha I agree with you and am grateful as well
I’m ok with his choice of words, “Now I know to most people.” That’s a statement of fact. If you want to test his theory, go ask David Duke if the use of the N word is acceptable.
I agree that it is accurate, but I also think it was a little strategic. If he was a podcaster with a primarily liberal audience, he may have left out the "most people" part. But since his audience is so broad and likely includes people who say the N word, he added that in so as not to alienate those viewers. I don't think that's even a bad thing. It's better to call people in than exclude them and never give them the opportunity to learn. Plus I think a lot of us white people are kind of like Joe, in that we had to learn the rules of not saying the N word in any context, and have had times when we were confused by it. So he's almost inviting us to feel like it's ok to have made that mistake and that we can grow with him.
That's what I thought of, the KKK, when he mentioned "most people". Most sane people
I really appreciate how thoughtful you are about the way you explain your observations. Great content!
I look forward to your video every week and this did not disappoint. I am finding myself starting to notice things I learned from you. This time I picked up on the eyebrow raising and his movements being synched up with what he said. The rest of your analysis was also very educational! This is quickly becoming my favourite UA-cam channel! ❤️
Awwwwn 🤗 thanks so much ❤️
One advantage of growing up a shy quite kid is that I learned to read people's body language and not what they say but how they say it, and I see sincere and honest statement for the most part.
You are probably the only person with the sweetest content on social media.. you always see the glass half full.. which can help a cynic see a different perspective..
When he says he agrees with that now. Shows that he has evolved. He is in fact a comedian at heart. So he may have used the word in a joking context before, when things weren’t so PC.
I think he isn't just trying to apologize for what he did, he now realizes how and why it was wrong and he is attempting to tell others that it is not ok to say this. He knows and has learned a valuable lesson and he wants to sincerely apologize for it, but also to some extent educate the listeners, but without being overbearing or pushy with the message. 😀
I felt it was sincere. I didn’t see signs of deception. The apology seems heartfelt.
Great analysis! I think he seemed pretty genuinely apologetic overall. The "planet of the apes" comment was rough but you could really see how bad he felt about it
It was years ago and he's a comedian, this was before cancer culture and people had seen it then. Keeping in mind Joe has two mixed race daughters.
Before I see your expert opinion, my thoughts are he is genuine and sincere in his apology and his disgust at himself watching that compilation. He isn’t diminishing what he’s done, he isn’t shifting blame, when he says how sorry he is his hand gestures over his heart momentarily which seems to me to convey his heartfelt apology physically manifesting in his body language, and anyone over the age of 30 years old knows what he’s saying is also a true representation of how public knowledge of the significance of the word and how offensive it really is has shifted with the rise of the internet and social media. It was always known to be derogatory and even as a kid or teen hearing someone say it caused most people to physically recoil no matter the context however it was not socially inappropriate to say along to lyrics or quote someone else who said it and certainly not to the extent it is right now. All that combined paints his apology as sincere to me.
My first observation within the first 3 minutes: he is sincere. The thing that stands out to me immediately, is that he looks straight into the camera and does not look away. He is really trying to connect with his viewers. He is also not hiding his facial expression, and I think he purposely filming his lip movement very clearly to make sure people cannot misread or misunderstand his very carefully and thought-about chosen words. No mask, nothing. No hesitation in his words either. He stands very much behind everything he says in this apology.
He looks honest from the moment i start the video.
Also makes me laugh when he says-
If your in a situation when you need to say your not a racist your f*** up.
I totally believe him.
This thing about that word.. It has to be the strangest thing i have encountered.
first impression: I think he's being legit, and he actually seems pretty emotional about this. His eyes were tearing up even. He was very upfront about the issue and he didn't try to minimize it in any way or make excuses for his behavior. When he says something bad like "racist" he emphasizes the word pretty heavily and basically spits it out. He also throws his head forwards. I think he is guenuinely upset with himself in this situation.
My brother and I were abused as children and adults. My brother has that eye flutter. I couldn't tell you why it made me sick to my stomach but I did / does. Now it makes complete sense. It was when he would think about my parents and things we went through. I'm 50 years old and I'm just dealing with it my own self right now. It made me super sensitive to everything. There was so much chaos, alcohol and drug use and mental illness that I was constantly in a hyper state of awareness. They sent my brother to a children's home.
I remember my white manager at a job I had and she said to my coworker, who was black, "In you act like a n##r, people will treat you like a n##r." We were both stunned. We already knew she was an idiot, but that was just insane. Her boss asked us what happened and we told him, but I don't know if it actually went anywhere, if she actually got punished.
Your MANAGER said that?!?! 😳😳😳
Sincere questions here. Do you think this person was racist? Or did you think they were just using inherit language with no meaning/compassion to the context? Or does using this language, automatically make you raciest?
@@Zumaray I think she was a little racist. I'm sure she had no problem with non-whites in general, but obviousy she was seeing my co-worker in terms of the colour of his skin, or she wouldn't have made that comment. Also, you've got to be pretty dull to make such a comment to someone, particularly if you are their manager. What she said was unacceptable. She needed to pay a lot more attention to the words that come out of her own mouth. Anyway, I wonder where she is now. She certainly had a lot of chips on her shoulder. You also don't make a lot of friends talking that way.
I am not an expert like you of course but I was in the military for many years as a leader and trainer of soldiers (twelve years in Norway’s Jaegerkommandoen). I became good at judging whether someone is lying to me or not. From the Rogan video you show here I hear his words and they sound somewhat sincere but his facial expression does not reflect the emotional content of what he is saying. I don’t think he’s being truthful or sincere. I believe he’s taking a minor hit to save his career and regrets nothing much. Now I am going to watch your evaluation of what he’s saying to see if I was close………well, I just watched your evaluation and I got it wrong. But I still read insincerity in his face. His face is too passive as I see it. It’s something in his eyes I do not trust. But I don’t know why.
That’s so awesome. And I’m sure you’ve learned some amazing things with that experience! I don’t necessarily disagree with you that this is not a deeply emotional apology for him, more informative and reflective than affected 😊
Maybe PTSD
I think it’s because he agrees that it’s wrong as in socially unacceptable. But he doesn’t feel bad. No guilt. He’s apologizing because he got called out for doing a bad thing, not because he feels bad.
I have the most unpopular opinion possible on this one. I'm not a fan of Joe Rogan, so I have no need to defend him. I still think context matters, no matter how offensive the word is. It isn't fair to equate Joe Rogan quoting Richard Pryor to someone pushing hate speech. I think most people see the difference, so I don't think he should have to apologize. I think the apology was insincere. It was done to keep his job. The contempt on his face wasn't for himself. It was for whoever made the compilation and for his social/ professional obligation to apologize. You can read between the lines and hear what he's really saying: They took him out of context to make him look like a horrible person. He thought what he said was OK in context. Someone talked to him and told him it wasn't. Other people say it and it's OK. He might lose his job like that Netflix guy if he doesn't apologize and swear off that word.
I have been waiting for you or The Behavioral Panel to do an analysis of this apology. Thank you so much. I think it’s important when someone messes up and they apologize that we don’t go on and look for🩸 we have to be able to decide in some manner, was it sincere or not, is the behavior still going on, what else has this person done in their life, etc. I think it’s important for us to put things in place and have resources available to us, like your show, to help us have a better understanding rather than just say you did one thing wrong you have to go away for the rest of your life, that does not make sense to me. And I ask, at what age is it not OK to ever make a mistake, 2, 6, 13, 17, 21, 51?
I am learning so much from your show - about others, and myself as well, and tweaking where necessary - 67 and still learning. 💕🍏😎
What a sweet comment. I agree, I don’t have any strong feeling for or against Joe Rogan but I can appreciate a good, sincere apology.
Amazing comment. You rock!❤
@@TheBehavioralArts You should go on his podcast that would be awesome!
@@NicolaMaxwell that would be interesting fashho
My only question is, how could someone be so unaware in this day and age? That is confusing. However, he doesn't have to answer to me. I just couldn't help but wonder.
He must be living under a rock to not be AWARE of what is offensive to say and what’s not. Not only that but he’s a grown ass man.
I'm not a fan of Rogan, but the compilation was made from 12+ years of recordings. It's not like he said it a few months ago. He seemed honest
Really glad I watched this video. It’s so balanced and I really like what you said about the word and the complexity of it. I watched this apology soon and after his “apology “ about the vaccine doubtful guests and just that comparison highlights how sincere this apology is. PS I don’t think he should have had to apologise for those guests and I think he also thinks so. It would be interesting to see your analysis of that video.
The entire video (it seemed) had the raised eyebrows demonstrated by the forehead wrinkles, which was really obvious although I didn't realize the potential meanings. It seemed strange how much and long this went on. Re-watching the Joe Rogan video, I noticed the lip pursing at "the most shameful thing" giving the insight that he may have more shameful things hidden in his mental closet. He also glanced up to his left when talking about using the word for years, as if he's trying to recall his past actions accessing that portion of his memory. I've also found myself trying to look at Spidey's facial expressions as he's describing the interpretation--trying to analyze if Spidey really believes what he's telling us :)
I’ll save you the rouble of analyzing me. I never lie, except for when I’m performing. Too much trouble, not worth it. Besides why would I choose to make a video on a topic and lie about it? Lol
Lol. Me too.
That pronoun shift addressing the audience with "you", is possibly also a reference to the other examples Rogan brought up of people using the word, and is him trying to show that such mistakes are common, and in that way deflecting from his own guilt.
I'm so glad you did this video. I watched his apology, and while I've disliked him for years now for several different reasons, I did think his apology came off as sincere, but I couldn't put my finger on why. I was very interesting listening to your break down.
I don’t think Joe was sincere because he knew the context in which he said the words years ago. I wish he never said sorry and told everyone to F off if they don’t like it.
@@cougar2013 100%
Jason Solis is it because you think he doesn't hate the orange man?
He took Rush Linbaugh's place in sharing hate and misinformation for MONEY
@@b4804514 Rush told the truth and it’s sad that people are so sensitive and weak that they have to shut their ears. Yeah, he wasn’t right about everything, but he was a great man. He donated more money to charity than you or I ever will.
Feels authentic to me. Lots of Confirmation glances, His gestures are in rhythm with his speech cadence. There's furrowed eyebrows when hes talking about his disappointment in himself... now off to watch the rest of the video
I mean. You could have just not watched the rest seeing as how you nailed the hell out of your analysis but I appreciate the watch time! 😅
@@TheBehavioralArts blushing now...thanks. Would never miss a minute of you videos. The asymmetrical explanation is so informative and clear.
@@cattoes1609 🤗 ❤️
I really enjoy your videos. They are both educational and entertaining. Thank you.
I don´t feel that he is entirely honest.
It´s his choice of words.
The whole lecture is well rehearsed.
Let me guess your view on “the current things”- AH is a victim, Biden is misunderstood, and a nice guy, Trump is the devil, communism is good, Jordan Peterson is a monster. You seem well trained imo, gullible, but well trained.
As someone who Hase lived through very violent attacks of racism from a young age I pick up very quickly on bigotry. I have never seen bigotry from Joe and it's sad he has to make this video. I feel like he was unjustly targeted by whoever made the compilation.
Just curious to know your opinion, why is it wrong to use a historically accurate word solely in historical or literary contexts? Or, in quotes? I don't quite understand the reasoning behind it. We don't hide from the word Auschwitz or Nazi, which both deeply impacted Jews. Sure, it's not a derogatory statement towards Jews, but if the problem is solely because it's a word that deeply impacts a specific group, then anything related to tragedies should carry that weighted?
I don't think the word has any place being used today, but history is history regardless of what we think today.
I wouldn't throw a fit over people quoting something that's derogatory towards my Asian heritage if it's either a quote we are discussing or used in a historical context. It's not like Asians haven't been through just as much, if not worse than blacks in various regards.
I don't understand why a word being used in historical context is evil.
I've never used it myself, but feeling like I'm not allowed to quote someone or discuss a word's use in history is quite irritating. It's not like using it in a historical context denies the tragedy of slavery or racism, nor how the word was used at the time. It's not like using it in a quote or historical context means the person quoting it has the same beliefs of the people who've used it prior.
That's like saying I share all the same beliefs as a terrorist or mass shooter or carry some portion of a terrorist/mass shooter's sin if I quote and discuss the crazy shit they wrote in their manifesto.
Are we saying the reasoning for why it's wrong for white people to use the word, it's because a portion of the population that looked like them did something and therefore they as a group based on their skin color must carry that sin, despite many of their ancestors suffering just as much?
Sounds like racism to me. If it's racist to be weary of black people as potential criminals, regardless of statistics for violent crimes committed, why is it righteous to hunt down and attack, and force into starvation (if that's not what advocating to remove their livelihood and blacklist them does, then what does it do?) whites who haven't done anything other than discuss a word's use in a historical or literary context or in the context of someone else's use of the word?
*edit: I believe people should ideally be judged based on their character and not their outward appearance or things they cannot control.
I will say, it doesn't make sense to judge a white person who says a slur in specific contexts the same as other whites using it as an actual derogatory term. It's not like it's some slippery slope into racism for white people to quote someone they themselves don't agree with.
After all, I'd argue, anyone who only uses the word in very specific contexts, is not that white supremacist everyone's eager to go after and lynch. After all, they themselves don't consider the weird appropriate or correct if they're being so careful and specific in using it in those contexts-that kind of implies they understand the word being used as a derogatory term is wrong.
Unless you somehow suspect them to be some kind of closeted racist, as if they're secretly part of some racist organization and THAT'S what justifies the firing and blacklisting of them.
Which would be a ridiculous take since just saying the word in any context is the last thing a secret undercover racist that doesn't deserve to eat or live, would want to do since it draws unnecessary negative attention and gets you fired. You'd have to be quite the dumbass to reveal your cards like that.
@@yro277 just because Jews don't want one using a word, doesn't mean the black Americans have to do the same thing. It's up to them to decide what they want, not external saying what they should do. Hope that helps.
@@abioserocks And for every other point I made?
I find the notion that a single group gets to decide my speech, EVEN within specific academic contexts, solely because they suffered discrimination, when EVERY group has suffered similar discrimination and doesn’t.
Or are you saying they are in someway superior and deserve that right?
Or they are in someway inferior and deserve that right because it’s just too painful for them to handle, to hear and see history and literature for what they are?
I know saying either inferior or superior is triggering but I’m curious what it could be you specifically are saying as the reason for why one group get the sole right to determine what I can or cannot say regardless of context? It’s either because they need protecting and are therefore inferior, or they are somehow superior to every other group that has suffered in the history of humanity, and therefore deserve what no other group does.
Just wondering what it is that separates their suffering from every other demographic, and why it is we’re deciding shit based on what demographic group says, when we’re supposed to be looking and considering things as individuals. If we’re all one race, the human race, then why can’t we look at the history of the human race and say what happened, without fear of losing everything over it?
Another thing, the reason I specifically asked the person who posted this, was because they had specifically mentioned their own past with suffering discrimination and violence as a result of their race.
I don’t know why you’re commenting in place of their response if you’re some “external” here.
Speaking of which, thats a funny word choice. So because I’m not a certain skin color, I’m considered an “external” and therefore not allowed to quote history or literature directly. Sounds kinda racist to me.
I've been violently attacked for being White 8 times in my life 31yrs now.
I agree. He's not that type of person. I've never felt that way.
I agree with Spidey's conclusion. Going in I was already biased. I am not a Joe Rogan fan, but I don't think that this was, in any way, a fake apology.
Hey Spidey, as always thanks for the content and opportunity to practise!! 👌🥳
I think he's honest. Though I think he feels contempt/disgust for the smushed up, out of context video that was made.
I see the brows lifting continuously, but he seems to use it to convey importance or innocence of his intention rather than an excuse. There are also a few lip compressions especially when say he has to address this in public, when he apologized, long blink/closed eyes and then I think there was a nose flare but I'm not sure, I couldn't get the vid to pause at the right place. I think a nose flare is caused by stress? I think it frustrates and/or angers him to have been shown in this light of racism when it was never his intent.
Though I did noticed some interesting micro expressions of contempt/disgust (one side of the mouth lifting). It was lifted slightly for a while so I initially thought it was just the shape of his mouth, but it's down later on... So I thought I'd add it.
I saw a tiny almost unnoticeable one at 01:47 (right side of his upper lip lifts slightly) just before he talks about "12 years of footage", and then another much bigger one at 01:57 when he says "I know for most people (right side of his mouth arches) there's no (drops again) context..." I paused the vid to make sure and it's quite clear. This is what makes me think he feels contempt towards the person/fact that the video was out of context and/or the inequality of the fact that some people may use the word without consequence while others may not? Not sure what the cause is, but definite contempt/disgust there I think.
His eyes grows into an expression of surprise when he talks about the netflix guy who was fired at 02:30. With a lip compression just before he talks about Quinton T's movies. Though his nods or chin pointings are in time with his speech.
There was also some sadness a bit later on (eyebrows lifting in the center) which I think is regret for the whole thing, but I'm also not sure.
Basically, I think his apology is sincere. He does defend a little, but also then says there's no excuse. I found him very genuine when saying his ashamed, no self distancing... There was a language change when he spoke about when you have to say you're not racist, but then goes back to "me" again right after and repeats it.
So I think he was honest. Much more so, than the vid about the woman with her son crying for the thumbnail.
I found the camera angle a bit odd, like he's almost looking down the whole time but don't know what that means, if anything...? And it's quite dark around him...? Does that mean anything?
Wow. That was a lot more than I expected!! Watching your vids seems to be paying off!!
Thanks again!!
Woodleys Mum is an absolute gem.
Saw him doing stand up in Sac with some friends. One of friends said something innocuous. He lost his shit and went on a rant for about 5 minutes and even called her horrible names!! The room went very quiet and when he finished, went back to telling "jokes". It took quite awhile for people to start to laugh again. Never liked him after that and will probably never, even more with the recent spotify debacle
A lot of eyebrow raising looking for that approval, and creases in the forehead. I learn something new every time I watch one of your vlogs. It's incredible how much body language plays in our day to day communications!
I believe Elvis could probably fake the contempt triangle facial expression. Think about the iconic Elvis lip. 😂
I genuinely couldn't make a judgement on his sincerity in this apology. I generally find his views to be pretty repulsive and my own cognitive bias really hampered my ability to read any kind of sincere gestures.
Right, 12 years in adult life of saying the most repulsive stuff for views, I can't say he is genuine or really leaned, just caught. Trying to prevent his cancellation like the Netflix exec.
If someone made a compilation of every time Joe Rogan eagerly admitted he was wrong, it'd be several hours long. The dude's got a thirst for information. He may LOVE speculation, but he also disdains inaccuracy. Maybe he's not the ideal role model, but I think he's trustworthy.
And that is awesome! Someone who loves information and is willing to admit their errors, even if they may be wrong often will keep evolving! That’s how you become a better person.
First impressions: Not really saw a lot of signs of deceptions personally just the lip compression once but sometimes the things he said didn't really made a lot of sence to me.
You should go on his Podcast! That would be pretty cool 👌🏼
The word would have lost all meaning by now if it wasn’t held so highly. A word doesn’t make someone racist, their actions do.
First impression: he's genuine about not being racist, but he still believes that using the n-word without bad intentions is legit, and kinda pissed about the utopistic thought policing going on in our recent times, but he must say he's sorry, cause he doesn't want to lose followers. So, he's not racist, but he's not sorry. He feels shameful about that others think he's racist, because he's not.
Legit question, what about when I"m playing NWA, can I still sing along without hurting someone's feelings?
@@LVThN_von_Ach my personal view is that music is for everyone... if the band can't take 12yo white kids singing nigga nigga then don't put it in the lyrics
@@danielfulop Thanks for responding. That makes sense to me. Always interesting to know how other people feel about this stuff.
@@LVThN_von_Ach no worries ;)
Really love your content and I'm now almost through with all of it. So keep producing, I'm hooked 😂
Ok but can we talk about this bangin jacket that showed up near the end? 🖤 Spidey lookin SHARP!
I think you're channel is amazing. The way you analyze things and the way articulate it , makes it easy to learn and retain. Thank you kind sir.
My pleasure! Glad you’re enjoying it 😊
what I saw was that his blink rate was ok, there was just one lip compression(what I could find)
I just dont lnow what to form of him(this is when i paused)
Edit- After watching the clip again I think he is feeling the guilt/regret, I couldn't find signs of deception
I often don't agree with him but I've never doubted his sincerity.
Just recently discovered your channel! It’s fascinating stuff! Thank you for your very palatable delivery. 🙏😊
I haven’t watched this whole video yet but what I’m getting from him is not a feeling of guilt.
At first he rationalized how he used the word in the past and his new understanding that it is not and never was ok. It seemed to me he was genuinely trying to make people understand context and his personal growth.
I feel his apology and denial of being racist was truly genuine and he feels ashamed of his ignorance but he does not necessarily feel guilty.
Ok back to the video to get your take!
This is him dodging cancel culture with rehearsed ideas he strings together like he does in his comedy routine. He chooses to continue to attack the wokeism fallacy created by the alt right. Not buying this performance as real.
Personally, I liked Joe Rogan when he was the host of Fear Factor and his stand-up comedy shows. There are many times when he widens his eyes to emphasize his point, as if to truly say that those were his main reasons, he nods his head to show agreement that when someone says "I'm not racist, but..." and he admits that he clearly messed up along with the nod at the same time to show sincerity in his words (not splitting the timing between the gestures and words, because that could be a sign of doubt or deception), his word choices are more serious that can hold again the emphasis that he is not kidding and truly regrets his actions.
My conclusion: Joe Rogan is being sincere in this apology
Nice analysis !!!! 🏅
Great analysis per usual. I think there was a bit of cognitive dissonance Joe was struggling with. A comic's job is to point to things that are uncomfortable and make them funny to release us (at least in the moment) from its power over us. The stigmatisation of a word is the opposite exercise; it's pointing at something uncomfortable and and making it more uncomfortable. That tension must have felt like role-confusion for Joe.
I agree, comedy can be really hard. In the past it was totally acceptable to 'punch down' with humor. Personally I find self deprecating humor and humor where the comic 'punches up' is a lot more entertaining. I hope Mr Rogan is moving that direction too.
@@k33k32 Fair point
There is 1 universal emotion that is asymmetrical, contempt. Eh, 2 things.
1. That doesn't mean there aren't some *nonuniversal* emotions that aren't also asymmetrical.
2. I, and most people, occasionally make asymmetrical expressions for emotions other than contempt, like confusion. Like the confused face I make every time you say this..🤔
I loved this one, so good! I'd also love to see you do a commentary on Dave Chappelle when he's done his bit or interviews on his skit about LGBTQ!
I have absolutely no use for the word but the fact that a nation of people are acting like context doesn’t matter is very backwards.
Hi Spidey, I didn't know him but I agree with your analysis, he looks pretty honest to me. But I believe he made a mistake in framing the video: he is looking down all the time as if he is above us, he should have put the camera a little higher so he appears at the same level (or even a little lower since this is an appology video). Maybe this proves he didn't prepare much the whole thing, as you said.
The topic of the racist word is a little difficult for me to comment because of different cultures, in my country this is a common and affectionate nickname, although the cancel culture has spread widely lately too and everybody (especially comedians) has to be very careful because there is always someone who gets offended. Thank you for your videos, I enjoy them and I am learning a lot!
I completely agree that the camera should have been higher. Wow. Can I ask what country you are from?
@@TheBehavioralArts Argentina. In Uruguay is a colloquial expression too. A couple of years ago, a uruguayan Manchester United footballer was charged of misconduct by the UK Football Association because he thanked a friend who congratulated him in an Instagram post, by saying "gracias n*grito". (I'm afraid of being banned too jaja) The friend of course said he was not offended, the Academy of Letters (both argentinian and uruguayan) explained that to us the word has a clear affective sense, completely free of any discriminatory or racist nuance. But there was no valid defense, he was suspended for 3 matches and fined. Better keep the mouth shut in these days..
@@mirtacamara3653 I think a big part of the difference is that in Spanish the word for the color black is “negro.” Therefore the word is a description of a color. In America, the word in question has no other meaning besides the racial slur. It was also used by slave owners, so it’s a super sensitive subject. As I said, it doesn’t cost me anything to not say it and so I don’t see any reason to.
(Paused at 3:28)First impression without looking at other comments is that he's being genuine.
Spidey, I'm interested that you said nostril flaring is a defence mechanism. Can it also indicate other things? I ask because I often find my nostrils involuntarily flare when I listen to a particularly moving piece of music or song lyric. Am I just weird?
Haha you’re not weird. Nostril flaring means the brain thinks we need more oxygen. When emotions run high we get chocked up and it’s very possible for the nostrils to flare. The flaring your describing is very close to the kind we see in people just before they sneeze. When we sneeze we stop breathing for a second so as a reflex the nostrils flare 😉
Nobody has the right to tell people how they should speak, regardless of what the word is. Is it wrong? Anything that makes people feel bad is prone to be morally wrong. Regardless, a group of people can not complain about a word, yet call each other that specific word, without looking like hypocrites.
Please research the history of the word
@@briannec2016 I have. Also, it's the epitome of hypocrisy to expect people to not use a word, when the group of people asking, constantly use the supposedly offensive word to describe one another, especially in music. People need to make up their damned minds.
It truly is a strange phenomenon! If that word is so bad and offensive, why use it among each other and in musis.. it is lowkey devaluation of themselvels and also desensitizes people.
I'm mixed (multi-racial)..., watching this clip, I didn't feel any deception from him, it seemed sincere. My gut is telling me that he is remorseful and not lying. Im posting this before I hear your take
My view is that he’s a very good liar. I’ve heard his racist rants such as when he compared Black neighbourhoods to The Planet of the Apes. It was vile and disgusting.
I feel like no one should use this word ever.
Joe Rogan is not a racist. This call out as a racist for using a word is so hypocritical. He isn't using it aggressively. He is having a logical discussion. Anyone who says You can't say that word if your white is racist. I retract his apology, he has nothing to apologize for.
glad I found your channel ! I love this stuff!! keep them coming!
I love this, Spidey! Thanks! 🙏❤️
First impressions: I only managed to pick up a few things: his blinking rate at the start is very high, I noticed a lip compression and there seemed to be lots of resume statements in there. I'm sure I have missed a lot, but I couldn't tell if he was telling the truth or not. I did notice that his eyebrows both went up a lot, and I know that with shoulders it can be a sign of honesty but im not sure about eyebrows
Edit: just finished the analysis and I've learnt so much. It's useful to have a video that mainly focuses on honesty, I didn't know lots of this. Quick question: I've heard in a couple of places that fight or flight should be called freeze flight or fight because our first instinct is to freeze and then flight and only if we have to or think we will win. Is this accurate or is the freeze step separate? Great video, congrats on ABSees win
Hey man! Thanks! Yeah I think it should be called freeze fight or flight as well. We first freeze for threat assessment but I’m the official terms for it is “fight or flight” response so I still say that to not confuse people.
Thank you. This channel is both educational and entertaining.
I watched the first 3:47 minutes, and I saw no remorse. A bit of a smirk and not genuine sadness/sorrow in that clip. It’s like there was an anger underneath the words.
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I'm not convinced.
I think the justification part was too long and too detailed. He still doesn't get that it's unacceptable.
Also he says that now you're 'not allowed' to use it. This is like a complaint. It's him saying that he resents being told to stop.
The signs that are pointed out in this video as signs of regret are equally indicators of regret at being called out on it.
The justification was too long but necessary to understand his true purpose. It was in context and relevant to the topic at hand. When u do something wrong u also talk about your intentions behind it and try to justify that ur intentions were pure.
Anyone who is black and knows Joe Rogan will know he is not racist. Just ask Daniel Cormier. People throwing out the term racism at every whim has made it lose its true context.
My parents raised my brother and I to never be afraid of words, partly because I was a gay, autistic, chunky kid and therefore bully bait, and because debate is a blood sport in my family lol. But they also made it clear that this is not how the rest of the world operates, and that words can be tremendously harmful. My family uses the “other F word” often aaround me, because they know that I know there is zero malice there, and it’s only used in a humorous context. It was extremely arrogant and narcissistic of Joe to say those things, because of course he knew better. He’s definitely not reconciled himself with the fact that he said those things because I think for the first time he finally had a mirror held up to him. But respect to him for doing his best to grow from this and honestly apologize. You really can’t ask for more. Great job, as always, Spidey! I always learn so much from you! 💚
Rogan isn’t racist. I listened to him since 2014, there’s one 2015-ish podcast where he’s reading lotta N-words from a writing. He has to take a few second n says I don’t even wanna read this, take a deep breath n reads it. It was when no one was attacking him.
His apology seems genuine, but he does begin the video by having to over-explain the background of his usage of racist terms. The pitch of his voice also goes up a bit when he is explaining the background. I think he is being very defensive, which is unusual as he easily could have chosen never to use those terms all these years. That makes him come across as having a 'victim's mindset.' However, his apology comes across as strong and clear, with no ambiguity or deception.
Great point with the tone of voice. He’s usually much much lower.
Yes, I think he sees himself as unfairly victimised in this situation, but is also aware that he needs to be sincere. He keeps trying to justify his mistakes, as though he thinks the reaction to them has been overblown.
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Clearly people blew the situation out of proportion. We have free speech in this country, yet you can get canceled, doxed, and lose your career over words that do not incite violence or create havoc
His business what he apologizes for. Just remember - do not let him deceive you or touch your heart stream.
I think it’s normal for him want to explain or ensure his audience that he didn’t have malicious intent in mind when misusing a word .
After all, what is your first instinct when you accidentally hurt someone? You’re going to want to explain and reassure that person your behavior wasn’t on purpose.
This behavior indicates to me that he cares about others feelings and he hates having done anything to cause unintentional harm.
No part of his behavior indicates that he wished he could’ve gotten away with his behavior. He does not gas light his audience or attempt to explain why he shouldn’t be reprimanded for his behavior.
Many people confuses "explanation" with "excuse" ... unfortunately.
Lol well the reason why he doesn’t raise eyebrows when he’s on his podcast because 99% a time he’s high so he’s relax 😂
….after hearing him say within the context of Ronda Rousey….
I think it was Brian Callan, that asked, “So, when you said, “People like her don’t just come around once in a generation, Ronda is rare and special. People like her come around once in a lifetime,’ you regret that?”
“Oh yeah!”
“So you were wrong?”
“I was wrong! I shouldn’t have said that! It’s not true now and it wasn’t true then! Look, I’m the king of hyperbole.”
He makes these “bold big statements” as id they are not bold, or big….but just statements.
Joe made his reputation on his candid rhetoric. I don’t believe he’s sorry for what he did/said, I do think he feels bad about the repercussions
Based on the first clip, he seems sincere and accepts his ignorance/errors in his old ways. We all make stupid mistakes but realizing, accepting and taking ownership, takes guts.
“Leaning-in” behavior may indicate one trying to convince the audience…. There’s a definite pattern here.
Trying to convince isn’t always a lie. Liars lean back more often than they lean in to psychologically put distance (flight response)
@@TheBehavioralArts Agree with you …. Might it reflect a ‘concern’ the audience may not trust or believe? 🐣🐰
@@MercyUS could be an attempt to connect 😊
He does seem genuine. He is making an apology. He's not blaming anyone else. I don't know this guy, but he admits he's been using this derogatory term repeatedly for years and he didn't know better? I don't care to know him.
My sons used to call each other, all their friends AND me "nikka". Their friends called them this also, no matter the color of their skin. It was not considered to be derogatory - in fact, when I objected to the term, several stated that they felt the use of that word took away its power to hurt. I can certainly see that, but I know they don't use any form of the word now. Just in case it might hurt someone.
Initial impression, feels honest. His story timeline was convincing, he broke down the actual incident in detail and his version of what happened. Lots of raised eyebrows to try to connect with audience. Time also spent on epilogue feelings and what he’s learned.
My initial reaction was he's being genuine, when I saw this a few days ago
I watch your videos all of the time but this is my first time giving my first impression.
He's very close to the camera moving in and out in your face and it feels honest and what he said seemed to true to him because I personally didn't see a lot of tells and he did a shrug in a time where it felt authentic.
Great read! I agree 😊
I've followed and listened to every single podcast he's brought out since his very first podcast. Joe Rogan is the voice in my head by now. He is just catching too much flak because he's the biggest platform in the world right now for 3 hour conversation that are uncut and raw. You know, being a typical human being. I love Joe Rogan and he's best friends with so many black people especially Dave Chappelle and Ian Edwards...Lol. this poor guy and all this pointless attention on him.
I believe that the "asymmetric universal emotion" happens when you're trying to hold in tears too. Is that possibly in the category of contempt? I'd like to know what you think Spidey.
I agree with your comment. He’s having the same conversation people have alone with their friends in their living rooms when they’re high. I bet most people have such much worse things than the n word.
Well, holding back tears isn’t an emotion and no two people do it the same way. Women tend to look up and squint to not ruin their mascara but that’s not science, it’s observation. Sadness is a universal emotion but it is symmetric. I suppose different people have different ways of suppressing it tho
@@TheBehavioralArts yup I'd be cancelled immediately if my conversations were recorded.
@@TUFRIDEGPGT when you state this does it trigger in your any cause for introspection 👀 … just asking
@@coleworld3061 When you ask that of Thomas, do you mean to imply that were your intimate conversations recorded for, lets say 12 years, that no one would be offended?
Just asking...
Love your knowledge, if I could recommend something to make your videos even better, I'd say to edit over yourself talking to the person's facial gestures your speaking about over and over to show us exactly what you mean.
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Great job incidentally but at 17:50 I had to pause when you said not much data there and I just watched someone whose eyebrows went up and looked surprised while he was talking about rappers using the term…did I read too much into it, because my gut told me “here is a guy mystified or still surprised that the word can be used by one group but not by me or anyone in my group”, which led me instantly to the conclusion that what I’m watching is someone making a video (forced to make it) he was told by someone with authority to make and is using his acting skills to pull it off
I don’t think Joe takes orders from anyone. He doesn’t strike me as someone who does something he doesn’t want to do. I do agree with you that he does find it strange that certain people are allowed to use it.
First time commenter here...I listen to Joe's podcast often and watch it a bit and this looks legit. He's a very smart and thoughtful person when he talks so he probably sat and really checked himself before making this. But he's also confident so the lack of hesitation is normal, but he doesn't always lean in and have that emphasis.
the 'to most people' comment referred to his fans who think he had nothing to apologize about.
On a side note. It’s strange that a podcast host almost is cancelled for using a word your president has used! One can rule your country but not be a podcaster?!? Strange!
love your videos...but what was that gesture at 26:14? 😂
I've heard of this guy; but I've never watched any of his content, so I have no baseline on him, or any preconceived idea of who he is.
"publicly" lip compression as he characterizes the circumstances as being "shameful and regretful" but there are things he wants to say, withheld opinions about the situation. He is in an almost constant eyebrow arch approval seeking facial expression, not actually congruent with a person feeling shame or regret.
"me saying" BIG SMILE.... lol, he's clearly in love with the idea of himself talking
"out of context"
"12 years of conversations"
"smushed together"
"I agree with that now"
"haven't said it in years"
... chaff N redirect, excuses excuses, resume statement, "I'm actually the victim here"
"I thought" eyebrows suddenly drop from the approval seeking position to the anger position.
Is he angry at himself for what he thought? or angry at how it was perceived?
In either case this is not shame or regret.
"understand what I was ((doing))"
"bottom of my ((heart))"
las word trails off in a whisper, fading facts, low confidence in what he's saying
"ironically" "fired" microexpression of surprise. He really doesn't get why the consequences for this would be so harsh
"well aware of that now" eyebrows shift down again, eye block, anger at being called out on his insensitivity
"It makes me sick" breaks eye contact, low confidence, stress
My summary of my first impressions is he's sorry and kind of annoyed that he's being called out on this because it's a pain the ass for such a "great guy" to have to make an apology video.
He's aware that it's a big deal but doesn't really feel the WHY, and thus has no genuine shame or regret.
LEEWWWWW NOOOOOO!!!! This is the first time we disagree 💔. It was bound to happen, but the good news is we’re not far off.
I do agree that he has an ego and that there is a sense of obligation. I also agree that he doesn’t think it’s THAT wrong and he himself would not crucify someone for making this mistake. But I do feel there is genuine understanding and regret. I do believe he thinks it’s wrong NOW. There is some redirect but it’s on topic and just not enough distancing for me personally.
Don’t fight me on this Lew. We’re too close. 🥺
@@TheBehavioralArts Lol, no worries.
I love that you caught the contempt microexpression with the line on the left side of his face.
I totally missed it.
Contempt at himself? or contempt at... having to cover his ass????
Meh, tomato/ tomahhto :)
Totally saw the same.
You're right, he doesn't really apologize for saying the n word, he's apologizing that people are offended by him saying ANYTHING.
The way he used the n-word before was not racially motivated, but because it was perceived as such, he is apologizing for the incorrect perception
I can’t tell because he blink rate is fast but that’s the only thing i saw. I didn’t see a cluster but I could be wrong. I may come back and add stuff but I think he is sincere because he used the f-word and for people in this age I think he realized that he messed up.
Editor Angela here- I don’t see remorse or deception
I think it's sincere and truthful. He's reflecting on the past and acknowledging he made mistakes and has learned from them. That's how we evolve as a species.
My personal opinion is that nobody should use that word or other similar words and expressions. These come from a very dark place in the human history and by continuing to have them in the vocabulary I think that we only perpetuate the same behavior and inevitably get into situations like this. We need to learn the history so not to repeat past mistakes but not keep rolling the same behaviors that were damaging to people.
I feel bad when hearing black people using the n-word, and always feel that they are disrespecting themselves. We all can do better than that.
I wholeheartedly agree with you! You are able to express the feelings I have about this perhaps better than I am. After reading former slave narratives online, especially at my age now, it jumped out to me how black people during that era referred to themselves as Niggahs! It broke my heart! Every person should take the time to read them!
If he is surprised that someone was fired for doing what he did, he does not get it. If he got it, if he understood, he would not be surprised. This word is so hurtful to a huge population of people. That needs to be understood and respected.
I agree. It's kinda like yeah I fucked up BUT, here are all my excuses for why
I think the point here is that he grew to understand the power of that word. I thoroughly respect him for this. He is being honest about not getting it before (and maybe there's growth still here). I think we've all made serious mistakes in the past and we should celebrate when someone grows in this way.
First impressions are it's really genuine
I LOVE your videos. I wish I thought as fast as you.
Dude, watched two videos and have learned a bunch. You the best!
It all seemed very true and authentic to me. He was directly addressing the whole issue. His emphatic statements were accompanied by body movement and expressions that seemed to back them up, and he brought up reasons he said it and explained apologizingly but stating what he had thought also.