Aright time to get busy! Start of the tier list 41:50 The tier list name (this is my own creation and not in the tier list): s (Pantokrator), A (pretender God), B (Giant), C (Human), D (enlarge ant/Oceania) Abysia, Children of Flame 41:50 Agartha, Pale Ones 48:12 Arcoscephale, Golden Era 58:00 Atlantis, Emergence of the Deep Ones 1:08:44 Berytos, The Phoenix Empire 1:19:13 Caelum, Eagle Kings 1:29:41 C'tis, Lizard Kings 1:43:35 Ermor, New Faith 1:53:05 Fomoria, The Cursed Ones 2:02:34 Helheim, Dusk and Death 2:15:20 Hinnom, Sons of the Fallen 2:24:04 Kailasa, Rise of the Ape Kings 2:33:44 Lanka, Land of Demons 2:46:06 Machaka, Lion Kings 2:56:04 Marverni, Time of Druids 3:05:57 Mekone, Brazen Giants 3:14:08 Mictlan, Reign of Blood 3:22:40 Muspelheim, Sons of Fire 3:33:02 Niefelheim, Sons of Winter 3:41:56 Oceania, Coming of the Capricorns 3:50:25 Pangaea, Age of Revelry 3:59:00 Pyrène, Kingdom of the Bekrydes 4:06:01 R'lyeh, Time of Aboleths 4:17:03 Rus, Sons of Heaven 4:27:10 Sauromatia, Amazon Queens 4:36:32 Therodos, Telkhine Specter 4:47:37 T'ien Ch'i, Spring and Autumn 4:59:42 Tir na n'Og, Land of the Ever Young 5:07:54 Ubar, Kingdom of the Unseen 5:17:07 Ulm, Enigma of Steel 5:24:37 Ur, The First City 5:29:08 Vanheim, Age of Vanir 5:35:46 Yomi, Oni Kings 5:46:17 Pelagia, Pearl Kings 5:55:17
Thanks for the year of entertainment! I usually am going to bed when the Dom stream starts each week so I haven't been there live but your streams helped make my weekend chores go by more pleasantly. Here's to another year of fun dominion streams!
Happy new year 🎉 For when the MA tier list comes around I would wish for some more structure. What I mean by that is 1) starting with some assumptions, example: We assume a mid to good level player on a standard map. We are rating the nations based on their capacity to win the game(as opposed to arbitrarily pitting them against each other). 2) what conditions need to be fulfilled to be placed in a certain tier? Example: S tier: there is a mage and/or troop and/or mechanic that is essentially a win condition for this nation, can be consistently achieved and is difficult to stop. A tier: there is a mage and/or troop and/or mechanic this nation excels at and there are no unsurmountable weaknesses. B tier: solid nation, might even be best in class doing X but they have a major weakness or an accumulation of lesser ones, that make them less powerful (example very powerful mage but low map move, slow to recruit and cap-only) C tier: nation might have a gimmik or be very good under specific conditions like surviving to late game, but struggles to consistently get to it. D tier: struggle bus actively handicapping yourself I think you intuitively arrived at something like this, but I think laying it out at the beginning might help you to rationalize the placings a bit more. To a new year full of more awesome Dominions content❤
I do think that I started emphasizing the "actually win the game" more as we went on. I don't think that is everything, but like he said it is a better measure than trying to figure out 1v1s. This was fun to do, and I fully acknowledge that it is very subjective. Glad you enjoyed!
3:51:57 I was playing R'lyeh and had an aquatic only pretender. I took an army on land but forgot to have them wear the fish amulet (which lets your mount breathe on land) and was able to move on land with the rest of the army even though I only had the path boosting water cloak on. The cloak does give the wearer the ability to breathe on land, but doesn't mention the mount. I suspect this is a bug that needs fixing.
I’d agree that EA Mictlan is solidly in A, I’ve seen a lot of very successful Mictlan in various lobbies, but they have a *very* high skill floor and an even higher ceiling, so it takes a capable pilot to really make them shine.
The book series that the City of Lead and Gold is apart of is called the Tripods. It was written in 1968 with a prequel book written in 1988. The individual books are The White Mountains by John Christopher, The City of Gold and Lead by John Christopher and The Pool of Fire by John Christopher. The Prequel is called When the Tripods Came by John Chrostopher. If you care to take a trip down memory lane.
I found myself agreeing with 90+% of what you said and much good chat. Sauromatia is the most highly buffed by the new proud steed spells thus mitigating later magic weakness (and moral on non sacred) and combines well with other nature spells. [Not your play style to go without infantry or many archers but very high expansion rate amphibious and match for recruit anywhere lance but the serpent Androphags should be played like infantry (but with a tag that cannot be targeted separately from flanking cav if formations right so beat auto-battler and negate the ranged mount protection issue). They would be poor flanking heavy cav but that is not their use! Do not run from battle due to stupid tag and thus act as near un-routable cheap moral pools for your real lower hp cav+ Their dismounted riders elite spear hobilar's. Bite also fatigue stalls high prot/or hp units. With appropriate imprisoned Heat 2 large+bloodlust+att/str/poison res bless].
It was a good time for as long as I could last. It's hell getting old. I have one criticism and I blame it on everyone to participated and no one in particular. No one brought up anything about turn 2 expansion. If you can expand with minimal losses that is a big advantage and probably should move a nation up or down on the list. Perhaps it's just baked into how people perceive a nation and therefore is covered indirectly. Anyway, great list. Happy New Year
2:50:58 Also i just modded tight reins into a couple of con 5 items. I would love for ill winter to add some way to get that for every nation in mid game.
EA Fomoria has a devestating late game supercombatant with their Fomorian King. It takes a lot of research to come online, but twiceborn him, winds of death suicide nuke someone, and you have a ridiculous hp wight mage with zero upkeep. Problem is surviving that long.
Haven't played Fomoria since Dom 5. They were very strong in the right hands but to see them being discussed if the belong in B och C tier?! Have they fallen that far?
I think this is pretty decent. The interesting ones were the 50/50 split people saying something S/A and others saying B/C for the same nation. Goes to show skill and play style matter a lot.
Ok, as I'm apparently a yomi main, played 2 games with them fully and have one still going, i have to tell that you put them about two tiers higher then i would. Edit elaboration. Your troops are poop, you penalized in money department, cant built forts and don't have recruitable sacreds. Your only choice is hell giga bless on slow to recruit cap only mages, who get absolutely murdered by elf with const 3 item and flight. You easily can stomp 99% of nations before turn 20, but then you start to fall off and will never catch up. Your research is poop because combination of shit mages and shit forts. Your demon freespawn is great at the beginning, but liability later, they run and take dai oni with them. Extremely vulnerable to morale plays. And when you finaly climb towards rigor mortis and darkness, your enemy might as well get lvl 9 spell or two. And on top of that, they cant do any cool death stuff. No twiceborn, no lichcraft and no ritual of rebirth because demons.
I assume you're playing the old traditional awe + regen build? I found much more success with the shikome-focused rainbow bless. In dom5 it was more that enough to facilitate the Dai Oni expansion while being much more valuable mid and late game. Managed to win a game with it a year ago. Haven't tried it yet in dom6, but heard good things. On one hand rainbow blesses got weaker and expansion got harder, but on the other shikome are half as expensive and cave layer is a godsent. With magic two and good expansion/first war you can get your research going nicely with all the foreign recruitment mages too. And luck will help with the cash situation a lot. Only big "if" I see is the expansion, but if you can manage it with an imprisoned rainbow you don't really start to fall off till cleansing waters.
@EmnelGaming I'm doing awe + regen + recoup+ awareness awake great sage. It allows to start dai Oni expansion on turn 4 with at least alt 2-3. Shikome aren't expansion material imo, and we do need those death gems for a lot of stuff, like mound kings and skull mentors.
@@АлексейХанинв As I said I haven't tried Dai Oni imprisoned rainbow expansion in dom6, but it was very doable in dom5. The basic idea is that all the reses and stats you get from a rainbow bless are much more valuable than a ring of regen and a shield of gleaming gold you can replace the other one with. Issue with going this kind of awake is, if I'm not mistaken, not being able to get max luck and magic, or even needing to tank those scales. Which really makes you peak around turn 20. And you're right - shikome aren't there to expand, they come way too late for that, especially if you go imprisoned and build dai onis for expansion. But being able to pump out 100+ of them for your first war is something very few nations have an answer to. Far superior to having recruitable sacreds, I'd argue. You can even do things like marching your army on enemy capital and capturing a cap circle province with a Dai Oni a turn prior, build there a lab as your army moves there and then use your army mages to quickly summon a 100 or so more at enemy's doorstep. Also, at least in my experience, people aren't so scared of you that they go out of their way to get you out of the game, while not wanting to have the Dai Oni problem all over their ass, so diplomacy is pretty easy as long as you're smart about it. And if you can get your temples for the demons and your labs for the foreign recruitment mages going in relative peace that shit adds up pretty quickly. All in all, unless rainbow Dai Oni expansion is outright impossible in dom6 I think placement in B is good, if not a bit low.
@EmnelGaming you NEED some big bless to expand with dai oni. And just regen or awe will not work in my experience. I tested a lot and elephants, barbs, bone tribe and undead will murder dai Oni without two compounding big blesses. Bone tribe will murder you no matter what until you have temper flesh but still. Bakemono expansion is not an option also, archers can be combined with demons, but it only works for starting army due to critical mass needed. Bandit expansion is possible, but much worse then dai Oni in my experience.
Aright time to get busy!
Start of the tier list 41:50
The tier list name (this is my own creation and not in the tier list): s (Pantokrator), A (pretender God), B (Giant), C (Human), D (enlarge ant/Oceania)
Abysia, Children of Flame 41:50
Agartha, Pale Ones 48:12
Arcoscephale, Golden Era 58:00
Atlantis, Emergence of the Deep Ones 1:08:44
Berytos, The Phoenix Empire 1:19:13
Caelum, Eagle Kings 1:29:41
C'tis, Lizard Kings 1:43:35
Ermor, New Faith 1:53:05
Fomoria, The Cursed Ones 2:02:34
Helheim, Dusk and Death 2:15:20
Hinnom, Sons of the Fallen 2:24:04
Kailasa, Rise of the Ape Kings 2:33:44
Lanka, Land of Demons 2:46:06
Machaka, Lion Kings 2:56:04
Marverni, Time of Druids 3:05:57
Mekone, Brazen Giants 3:14:08
Mictlan, Reign of Blood 3:22:40
Muspelheim, Sons of Fire 3:33:02
Niefelheim, Sons of Winter 3:41:56
Oceania, Coming of the Capricorns 3:50:25
Pangaea, Age of Revelry 3:59:00
Pyrène, Kingdom of the Bekrydes 4:06:01
R'lyeh, Time of Aboleths 4:17:03
Rus, Sons of Heaven 4:27:10
Sauromatia, Amazon Queens 4:36:32
Therodos, Telkhine Specter 4:47:37
T'ien Ch'i, Spring and Autumn 4:59:42
Tir na n'Og, Land of the Ever Young 5:07:54
Ubar, Kingdom of the Unseen 5:17:07
Ulm, Enigma of Steel 5:24:37
Ur, The First City 5:29:08
Vanheim, Age of Vanir 5:35:46
Yomi, Oni Kings 5:46:17
Pelagia, Pearl Kings 5:55:17
I hope you God damm happy with me babel because it take more than 30 minutes making this list up 😩 😤
Nice assist!
@@BabelBuilder you're god darn welcome babel
Thanks, Bruh. You are awesome. This old man appreciates your efforts.
@@Slice_The_Elder all in a days work for the builder supervisor
Oh a tier list this should be a fun lil 30 min video
Just a quick little tier list from Babel. Get that watched over break.
Thanks for the year of entertainment! I usually am going to bed when the Dom stream starts each week so I haven't been there live but your streams helped make my weekend chores go by more pleasantly. Here's to another year of fun dominion streams!
Thank you so much! Maybe someday I will be able to do some streams at a better time! Happy New Year!
Happy new year 🎉
For when the MA tier list comes around I would wish for some more structure. What I mean by that is
1) starting with some assumptions, example:
We assume a mid to good level player on a standard map.
We are rating the nations based on their capacity to win the game(as opposed to arbitrarily pitting them against each other).
2) what conditions need to be fulfilled to be placed in a certain tier? Example:
S tier: there is a mage and/or troop and/or mechanic that is essentially a win condition for this nation, can be consistently achieved and is difficult to stop.
A tier: there is a mage and/or troop and/or mechanic this nation excels at and there are no unsurmountable weaknesses.
B tier: solid nation, might even be best in class doing X but they have a major weakness or an accumulation of lesser ones, that make them less powerful (example very powerful mage but low map move, slow to recruit and cap-only)
C tier: nation might have a gimmik or be very good under specific conditions like surviving to late game, but struggles to consistently get to it.
D tier: struggle bus actively handicapping yourself
I think you intuitively arrived at something like this, but I think laying it out at the beginning might help you to rationalize the placings a bit more.
To a new year full of more awesome Dominions content❤
I do think that I started emphasizing the "actually win the game" more as we went on. I don't think that is everything, but like he said it is a better measure than trying to figure out 1v1s.
This was fun to do, and I fully acknowledge that it is very subjective. Glad you enjoyed!
Once i wake up and im not completely wasted, i will surely enjoy this 😂😂. Thank u goat
Was a ton of fun, but man my poor voice!
3:51:57 I was playing R'lyeh and had an aquatic only pretender. I took an army on land but forgot to have them wear the fish amulet (which lets your mount breathe on land) and was able to move on land with the rest of the army even though I only had the path boosting water cloak on. The cloak does give the wearer the ability to breathe on land, but doesn't mention the mount. I suspect this is a bug that needs fixing.
Interesting. I wonder if it has been reported.
I was about to look up EA nation tier list and compare it to you, but then i remember that you're the only UA-camer doing it 😅
The only other tier list is about MA
First to market advantage! Now I need to lobby YT so no one else can compete! ;)
I’d agree that EA Mictlan is solidly in A, I’ve seen a lot of very successful Mictlan in various lobbies, but they have a *very* high skill floor and an even higher ceiling, so it takes a capable pilot to really make them shine.
They are so bad in the hands of AI, but I agree a player can make that blood economy sing.
Gutted I missed this, working too much when this was on and just got home and the stream is longer than the time til my next shift😅
Take care of yourself! That's a lot of work!
The book series that the City of Lead and Gold is apart of is called the Tripods. It was written in 1968 with a prequel book written in 1988. The individual books are The White Mountains by John Christopher, The City of Gold and Lead by John Christopher and The Pool of Fire by John Christopher. The Prequel is called When the Tripods Came by John Chrostopher.
If you care to take a trip down memory lane.
I wonder if anyone else has read those. Probably a tad dated now, but great when I was a kid at least!
I found myself agreeing with 90+% of what you said and much good chat.
Sauromatia is the most highly buffed by the new proud steed spells thus mitigating later magic weakness (and moral on non sacred) and combines well with other nature spells. [Not your play style to go without infantry or many archers but very high expansion rate amphibious and match for recruit anywhere lance but the serpent Androphags should be played like infantry (but with a tag that cannot be targeted separately from flanking cav if formations right so beat auto-battler and negate the ranged mount protection issue). They would be poor flanking heavy cav but that is not their use! Do not run from battle due to stupid tag and thus act as near un-routable cheap moral pools for your real lower hp cav+ Their dismounted riders elite spear hobilar's. Bite also fatigue stalls high prot/or hp units. With appropriate imprisoned Heat 2 large+bloodlust+att/str/poison res bless].
I've never thought about the stupid tag like that before. Interesting thought.
It was a good time for as long as I could last. It's hell getting old.
I have one criticism and I blame it on everyone to participated and no one in particular. No one brought up anything about turn 2 expansion. If you can expand with minimal losses that is a big advantage and probably should move a nation up or down on the list. Perhaps it's just baked into how people perceive a nation and therefore is covered indirectly.
Anyway, great list.
Happy New Year
Some nations really suffer from having a miserable starting army, such as Oceania, Kailasa ect. I agree.
I'm also buy the game because the of the marcus aurelius videos! I really enjoyed his series
2:50:58 Also i just modded tight reins into a couple of con 5 items. I would love for ill winter to add some way to get that for every nation in mid game.
Oh, that would be a good way to do it! Similar to some of the whips that grant master or something.
Mostly agree with all of this but Pelagia is definitely king of the water and can make very mean super combatants.
Can they take land thrones from the air breathers after all the time needed for that? :(
EA Fomoria has a devestating late game supercombatant with their Fomorian King. It takes a lot of research to come online, but twiceborn him, winds of death suicide nuke someone, and you have a ridiculous hp wight mage with zero upkeep.
Problem is surviving that long.
And he can cloud trapeze in too!
Fomoria is S-tier nation for sure. Superb nation.
Haven't played Fomoria since Dom 5. They were very strong in the right hands but to see them being discussed if the belong in B och C tier?! Have they fallen that far?
Like you said, for an inherently unbalanced game, that bell curve shows Illwinter has managed pretty well…
good list!
I think this is pretty decent. The interesting ones were the 50/50 split people saying something S/A and others saying B/C for the same nation. Goes to show skill and play style matter a lot.
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Ok, as I'm apparently a yomi main, played 2 games with them fully and have one still going, i have to tell that you put them about two tiers higher then i would.
Edit elaboration.
Your troops are poop, you penalized in money department, cant built forts and don't have recruitable sacreds. Your only choice is hell giga bless on slow to recruit cap only mages, who get absolutely murdered by elf with const 3 item and flight. You easily can stomp 99% of nations before turn 20, but then you start to fall off and will never catch up. Your research is poop because combination of shit mages and shit forts. Your demon freespawn is great at the beginning, but liability later, they run and take dai oni with them. Extremely vulnerable to morale plays. And when you finaly climb towards rigor mortis and darkness, your enemy might as well get lvl 9 spell or two. And on top of that, they cant do any cool death stuff. No twiceborn, no lichcraft and no ritual of rebirth because demons.
I assume you're playing the old traditional awe + regen build? I found much more success with the shikome-focused rainbow bless. In dom5 it was more that enough to facilitate the Dai Oni expansion while being much more valuable mid and late game. Managed to win a game with it a year ago.
Haven't tried it yet in dom6, but heard good things. On one hand rainbow blesses got weaker and expansion got harder, but on the other shikome are half as expensive and cave layer is a godsent. With magic two and good expansion/first war you can get your research going nicely with all the foreign recruitment mages too. And luck will help with the cash situation a lot.
Only big "if" I see is the expansion, but if you can manage it with an imprisoned rainbow you don't really start to fall off till cleansing waters.
@EmnelGaming I'm doing awe + regen + recoup+ awareness awake great sage. It allows to start dai Oni expansion on turn 4 with at least alt 2-3. Shikome aren't expansion material imo, and we do need those death gems for a lot of stuff, like mound kings and skull mentors.
@@АлексейХанинв As I said I haven't tried Dai Oni imprisoned rainbow expansion in dom6, but it was very doable in dom5. The basic idea is that all the reses and stats you get from a rainbow bless are much more valuable than a ring of regen and a shield of gleaming gold you can replace the other one with. Issue with going this kind of awake is, if I'm not mistaken, not being able to get max luck and magic, or even needing to tank those scales. Which really makes you peak around turn 20.
And you're right - shikome aren't there to expand, they come way too late for that, especially if you go imprisoned and build dai onis for expansion. But being able to pump out 100+ of them for your first war is something very few nations have an answer to. Far superior to having recruitable sacreds, I'd argue.
You can even do things like marching your army on enemy capital and capturing a cap circle province with a Dai Oni a turn prior, build there a lab as your army moves there and then use your army mages to quickly summon a 100 or so more at enemy's doorstep.
Also, at least in my experience, people aren't so scared of you that they go out of their way to get you out of the game, while not wanting to have the Dai Oni problem all over their ass, so diplomacy is pretty easy as long as you're smart about it.
And if you can get your temples for the demons and your labs for the foreign recruitment mages going in relative peace that shit adds up pretty quickly.
All in all, unless rainbow Dai Oni expansion is outright impossible in dom6 I think placement in B is good, if not a bit low.
@EmnelGaming you NEED some big bless to expand with dai oni. And just regen or awe will not work in my experience. I tested a lot and elephants, barbs, bone tribe and undead will murder dai Oni without two compounding big blesses. Bone tribe will murder you no matter what until you have temper flesh but still. Bakemono expansion is not an option also, archers can be combined with demons, but it only works for starting army due to critical mass needed. Bandit expansion is possible, but much worse then dai Oni in my experience.
People rated Yomi a lot higher than I initially had them. I need to find time to circle back to them!
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I stand by it!